 I think it's quite fitting that we go to the steakhouse then. We need the burger. Do you need it more than they need their life? Don't be shy, mate. You're just eating a... You're just eating an animal? What animal? Which animal? Two. A pig and a cow, my guess. A cow, a chicken and a cow. Beef is not an animal. Change my mind. You can't change my mind. I want you to change my mind. I haven't had that much success. I just had a 30 minute debate with someone, but... I'm hoping to get more. Why is everyone so shy? Don't I look approachable? I've got my arm on the table, looking all professional. Are you okay being on camera? Yeah, I'm fine. Okay, for my YouTube channel. Yeah, so I'm saying that eating meat should be illegal. Right. And I want you to tell me why it shouldn't be illegal. So, humans have actually... Their teeth have developed over, like, years. Okay. So, they've actually developed the meat. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. In what way? Our teeth? Let me show me your teeth. Okay. What about your teeth tells me that you're a meat eater? So, obviously, everybody's teeth are the same. And... What about your teeth that tells me that you're a meat eater? What is it about them? So, the shape of them, you can see there's, like... Where? What are they? They're... I think they're molars or incisors, I'm not sure, to be honest. These flat ones at the back are actually molars, yeah? That's them, yeah, yeah. These are called canines? Them ones, then. Okay. So, I believe the canine teeth have been... So, they've evolved over the years. And because humans used to have a very plant-based diet. Oh, really? And as they started catching animals and animals, as they started catching animals and eating meat, their teeth has developed over time. So, we catch animals with our hands and eat animals raw with our canines, ripped through their flesh, yeah? Like a carnivore does, yeah? Is that what you're saying? I mean, people used to do that, but... Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. So, we've evolved into carnivores, you're saying? Well, no, we're omnivores. So, we've evolved into omnivores? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, obviously, we can't just live off meat. We need other alternatives and things. So, omnivores, they had claws and sharp teeth and they catch animals out in the wild and they consume them raw through their fur and all of that, yeah? Yeah, yeah. So, why haven't we developed claws? I don't know about evolution, I guess. And why are canines so much different to, say, a proper omnivore's canines? Have you seen an omnivore's mouth? They have sharp teeth, yeah? Yeah, yeah. They don't have these molars for grinding and... Yeah. So, the molars, anyway, they... Well, as you said, they're used to, like, ground down, like, plants. Plant food? Oh, wow. Things. And what are your hands for? Like, picking up things and... Picking fruits and picking out root vegetables and things, huh? Picking up animals or something, yeah, yeah. Okay, wow. So, when you see a rabbit run past you, do your carnivorous instincts kick in? Wow, to be honest, by me, I don't really ever see rabbits. When you see a bird, do your omnivorous instincts... A dog is an omnivore, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A dog is a biological omnivore, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Streamlined on four feet, they can, you know, chase their... They see a bird, they usually try to chase and eat the bird. Yeah, yeah. Interesting that you think that the reason that we... That meat shouldn't be illegal is because we've evolved into omnivores. I'm not really seeing your biological adaptations to chase animals and consume them. Right, okay, so... I don't see you as adapted to chasing down animals with your, you know, and your teeth look flat and blunt. I mean, you're pointing to these canines. If you see a proper omnivore, their jaw hinges up and down. Ours goes like this for grinding like a cow. Have you seen a cow eat? Yeah, yeah, I have, yeah. Okay, yeah. That's very interesting. So, I'm saying it should be illegal because it's the number one cause of environmental destruction. We face Amazon deforestation, water use, land use, ocean dead zones. You go to school so you'll be able to find out all these facts anyway. You probably know that. A Hamburg is about two months worth of showers of water. It's destroying the earth, okay? I think it should be illegal in principle because it enslaves and kills innocent, sentient animals who do not ask to be killed. We can live healthily without it. We have the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics peer reviewed statement saying vegan diets at a world plan could be healthy for all stages of life. So we don't need to eat them for our health or for our survival anymore. No matter what we did years ago, we used to rape and kill each other and pillage and do all those things as well. So it's destroying the earth and it's enslaving and killing animals. That's why I think it should be illegal because we have laws protecting our freedom and liberty and that should extend also to animals and the earth. And we do. We do also have laws about animal cruelty, you know. It's not as if their slaughter done humanely. You know, it's done in a controlled environment and stressed on the animals. It's kept to like a minimum, you know. Yeah, even if it was kept to a minimum it would be morally justified to, you know, take someone's life against their will even if the stress was kept to a minimum. Not really, to be honest. I'm just asking you to put yourself in the victim's position. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you can be healthy and plant-based, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you don't think there's a biological necessity for anything in meat? Well, to be honest, meat has loads of vitamins, minerals and like nutrients and all that in it. But I mean, so does plants. Yeah. Well, so do plants. Yeah, I'd say fundamentally B12 is something that we need essentially that we can supplement with, you know. And do you think it's better to take a supplement than to breed and stab animals in the throat, give them all these resources just to get B12? Well, um... If we could have a supplement instead of using all these resources and land and stabbing animals to death. Oh, yeah, maybe, sure. Because I think now there are also methods that scientists are exploring where they can grow meat humanely in a lab so they can like grow animal tissue and things like that. Have you heard of Beyond Meat? Oh, no, I haven't. Yeah, Beyond Meat is actually meat that's been synthesised out of plants. Ah, right, okay. Yeah, so it's the same macronutrient profile, very similar in its... Like a veggie burger sort of thing, or like... Yeah, veggie burger, but it's a little bit more scientific than that. Really close to the muscle, fibre and tissue of actual meat, but it's made of plants, you know. Ah, so it's made to be more like realistic sort of thing, yeah, yeah. For the reasons that I've just presented to you about, you know, the environmental destruction and taking away animals' liberties and killing them when we don't actually need it for our biology or any essential nutrient, I think it should be illegal to kill them. Do you oppose that still? I mean, you think... So going back to climate change and all that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you think many foods that people eat, so things like... I don't know, people eat like strawberries all year round, avocados and all. That's all imported into the UK. Okay. And that contributes as well. Everything we do probably contributes negatively to the environment. The main cause of Amazon deforestation, 50% of greenhouse gas emissions. If by eating a plant-based diet, you can reduce your carbon footprint by 50%. The single most... The single biggest thing we can do for the earth in the environment is go vegan, and that was said by Joseph Poor from Oxford University. So, look. You were talking about a couple of plant foods. Yeah, I'm not saying all plant foods are carbon neutral. That's not true. But the biggest thing we can do for the environment is eat plant-based, and meat is literally destroying the Amazon rainforest. They're growing soybeans. They're burning the forest to, you know, graze livestock. And they're killing and enslaving sentient animals for something that's just basically... Well, we don't really need it, do we? We don't need to eat meat. I know there's lots of things we don't need, but we don't need it, and it's cruel and unnecessary. Sure. But so, me and my family, we always tried to go to the supermarket and we buy British meat and British, you know, British produce, because it does help. In what way? So, it does lower carbon emissions because, obviously, so, for example, New Zealand lamb, that doesn't come all the way from over New Zealand, you know, to the other side of the world. So, not putting the flesh on the plane, then you don't get the carbon imprint of the plane. But what about the carbon footprint of the plane, sorry? But, you know, what about all the resources that are still fed to these animals? The water that, you know, the... So, they're burping this methane into the air as well. Raising all of these animals using all of our water and, you know, eating all of the grassland and, you know, they're clearing forests for this grassland. This is having a negative impact on the environment. You know, you could agree with that? Yeah, I agree with that, yeah. What's the bad use of our resources? Not necessarily, because humans are farmed over, you know, centuries and they've also kept animals for foods and we've, like, domesticated animals and all that. Yeah, but we've still fed all these resources to these animals for a small morsel of flesh. Like, think about how many resources are in a small morsel of flesh. Like, here's the statistic here. One hamburger, 660 gallons of water, the four litres per gallon. So, two months' worth of showers. One hamburger. Do you think that's justified? Not necessarily, but I can't really comment because I had one just now, to be honest. You can still comment. I used to eat meat, too. I used to call myself a hypocrite all the time. Just based on environmental destruction alone, do you think it should be illegal to destroy the environment? Not necessarily illegal, because people still need wood for logging and all that, but I have to go in a minute, sorry, because... I mean, causing this much destruction to the rainforest and the environment, it's really going to be the end of us if we keep going like this. Yeah, I agree. That should be illegal? Yeah. And killing animals against their will? That shouldn't be illegal? That should be fine? I'm undecided. I'm undecided? Thanks for the chat, brother. I appreciate it. Take care, mate. He had to go. I appreciate him staying around, though. Why not? Why shouldn't it be illegal to kill animals? It's fun. You love it. He gets off on it. Wow. I'm not saying that deriving pleasure from it and so forth. I'm not saying that that justifies what we do to animals. I think what we do to animals is absolutely apparent. And it shouldn't be illegal, though. No, I don't think eating meat should be illegal.