 Ladies and gentlemen, nice to speak about Himalap for the archaeologists. I am not an archaeologist, but my father was, and 17 years of my life I also took care of archaeological site, but today I will try to describe you what we do for heritage in Ukraine in general, having experience in site management, but also in the ministry work and now as in your coalition. So, one year before last year I talked to ICON representatives at general conference, conference what's about future of museums and technologies and resilience, sustainability. This is what we did before and what we try to do in Ukraine, including post-Soviet realities. But now we have a war, so the question is how to link this and could we link this development directions with present situation and can our heritage help us in this war? So, I will tell you my personal story which starts from Tustan. It's archaeological site in Carpathians. My father, Mikhail Roshko, researched this site for 33 years till his death and it's unique because now we have only cliffs, cliffs, but there are more than 4,000 channels which help us to understand buddhist construction of fortress in middle ages, not only in the plant, but also in its vertical structure. And after measurements and then archaeological excavations, my father created graphical reconstruction precisely as it could be in two dimensions, but also as vertical structure. After his death I took care about the site more like doing 3D reconstruction by present technologies, museums, but also we try to do this site popular and now it's one of the top touristic destinations, preserving old place, but also having good infrastructure middle ages festivals and museums about this place. Also we preserve not only the site itself where fortress was, but also surroundings, natural landscape, but also cultural landscape. We see this agriculture landscape formed historically and also traditional Boiko architecture, so it's like buffer zone before the main monument, but also like eco-museum around. Also we also we try to use immersive technologies for children. So we did AR when you can use your phone to see one side and all the way in the middle of it. Fortress inside as it was having only cliffs on real site. Then came challenges during revolution of dignity in 2014. We as museum workers also were part of these actions, but we started Maidan Museum which now is national memorial complex and we tried to preserve remembrance memory of these events and new quality of society. But second response was I came to the Ministry of Culture as head of museum department and tried to understand the whole picture of museums in Ukraine and we understood that we have a huge post-Soviet management system incapable in many things and many things should be done from the beginning starting from inventories, a list of museums creating communication with regions. And so we tried to do this and the war was already in 2014, so we also tried to understand what can we do when the system is not ready to this war, what can we save actually. Then present full scale invasion in 2022 with Ihor Poshavilo from Maidan Museum, we created Harry, Harry's Emergency Response Initiative for quick emergency response and first we did everything, we tried to supply museums with wrapping materials, try to evacuate some collection, started documentation expeditions but then my part of team we focused more on data infrastructure, on digitization and expeditions for documenting damages from the field as a real and truthful data about what's what's happening. So HEMA Ukrainian Heritage Monitoring Lab appeared and we are focused on this documenting and putting this into data infrastructure. So as for now we started with like projects supported by the World Monument Fund and SCRI and SAR and thanks to this first half year projects from October to March we developed a team with architects who could document on site but also with IT specialists who built data infrastructure and many people who did verification and management of these projects. So now the team is not only in LVU where I came from but also in Kyiv, in Harkiv we have a local team who acts constantly not as mobile team going to east and south to document but on site and also we are forming a south team for work in Odessa, Herzog and Mikolayov. So we are also not only like activists but we are representatives of institutions which exist for a long time and so we can provide sustainability in spite of projects and grants money but also as institutions. So it's like the Toast and Sight Museum, NGO, for museum development, Vipolitechnik, university, architectural department, institute for geographical information systems, what we do? So we do damage assessment for stabilizing of monuments and for further conservation and renewal. Also 3D models but partly not for each object. Also the second direction is forensic heritage documentation. We document war crimes against humanity and cultural heritage and due to international methodologies as forensic heritage documentation from Skry as it was done in Iraq, in Mosul for further criminal proceedings against Russia and also we do more than damage assessment, we do heritage inventory because I will show you its lack. Also we provide military forces with data for planning operations, trying to preserve objects especially archaeological. So processes like we select sites, try to understand if this damage is real from news and then after preparation go to expedition. But then we understood that it takes a lot of time to document deeply and sometimes when you come too late, some parts are renewed already, windows are already back and you have no traces of damages anymore. So we created a quick verification expeditions to do quick verification when we can visit 20-30 sites per day and then decide where to go longer. But then a very important part is processing of materials and to put them into database for future use and sharing for those who needs. So as for April we documented more than 400 sites in so in Western Ukraine we tested forensic heritage documentation and here we held damaged objects where we could go and as for now we also visited flooded territories in Herzog region and Odessa after missiles. So as for now we have 750 objects visited. So mostly it's architecture and we dream we plan, we prepare us to start to work with archaeological experts too because it's quite other type of objects and to gather this together. So we document monuments due to achromatology which lets to help or overview a picture of what's the most damageable, what's not and to do quick decisions for future investigations or stabilizing. So achromatology is a number of pages which can be filled on site. Then we put this also in database and we can classify these objects and see structural damages not only like exteriors or some light scratches. Also we do 3D documenting. We started actually from this as you see Borodianka shelf with famous rooster. We did this with photogrammetry but it takes some time especially laser scanning. So we do only on this place as well really needed and actually forensic heritage documentation and achromatology should be done as soon as possible so we focus on speed to do this documentation first then when we can also 3D. But why 3D is needed? You see Vyazilka charge and for example in May 2022 we did photogrammetry from drone. Then in October thanks to Bruno Deslanders we did laser scanning also inside and the whole building very detailed and we could see even process of ruining how it's moving but while thinking about how can it be preserved and thoughts of ministry or donors before winter it fell down. Actually 3D model is the only thing we have now about this charge. So this is example where we did both photogrammetry from drone from above and also laser scanning from inside because blow it blew up from inside and then it was put together and it's good for architects, conservators for further work. It's charge in Lukashilka, Chernihya region. But documentation is not the only challenge and very important is to work with data after to make them accessible and to preserve them. So our data infrastructure has like two contours. Outer is like to gather everything we can. It's like GIS where we have more than 100,000 objects there. But then we clean data and verify them and reach with metadata and we have like internal contour which is like clean and truthful. So for this gathering of everything we use geographical informational system with many, many years, layers, not only damages but all heritage which is in excess. For example, we have registry of two and a half thousand museums and official 19,000 monuments due to ministry of culture register. We put this manually in database and very huge work should be done for verification. We understood that so firstly there are no official machine readable register of heritage in Ukraine. So we put this PDF without coordinates manually in database but there are many lists which are not with different names. So the same objects can be in five or seven different names in different lists. It should be put together not to duplicate because something you can link to this and something to this and it's like a kilos. So this another work in office for verification this data and adding metadata to these objects like coordinates or necessary information is this monument or not to make some searchable clean registry for usage. And actually two objects in this our internal registry will link all other information about this from expeditions, archive photos, 3Ds, iChrome forms. So everything is linked to this unique ID of the object. And another right part of the slide you see for example two and a half thousand of museums are on the map and yellow are under occupation at the beginning of the war in 2022. So red are since 14 occupied and yellow partly are deliberated already but you can see that 400 museums were or still are temporary occupied and we should check each each object. So as with immobile heritage also we understand that each object should be checked which was under occupation because new information from use is not enough to believe. Another thing is interesting that most of this museums on yellow territory more than 400 are museums about red glory or Soviet army. So that's why we have actually this this war of census. Internal clean database has special tools and infrastructure for cloud storage and such instruments like for doing this verification and registration for planning of expeditions. So to help architects and our team users to link and to do this database storage quickly after expedition to download everything in proper places. And then we can have overall picture of how many damages we have in each region or city and the stage of this. We can see all expeditions we had with list of these objects and which data are linked to specifically this objects and to download to see this data. But also we understand that our data are needed for usage immediately just right now. So for some churches architects couldn't wait for our proceedings of materials in monthers. So we created a website heritage in UAE which is becoming a platform where we put the list of objects we buy in and pointing also that for example here we have Icron form or 3d model and you can register there and download and it helps to share data for those who need it quickly. Of course it's open data not source for forensic heritage or that could not be widely open but this war is against us against our heritage in total. So we want not only to preserve heritage and to survive but to do something bigger to do what we didn't for 30 years of independence to find the proper role of heritage in society as a driver for uniting of us and understanding the roots and identity. But we have a number of challenges after Soviet times and before the war management. So actually we have no actual statistics. We have different numbers of official statistics how many museums of immobile heritage do we have but not actual and it's a challenge because what how can you preserve something when you do not have the list even of museums not speaking about collections in these museums. For example immobile heritage we have officially almost 11 000 on site architectural archaeological monuments of national or local meaning importance but ministry has 140 000 of immobile heritage objects declared they are not published yet but it's a huge quantity so you can understand yellow two and a half thousand of museums and green in the Parisian region it's example of those part of this 140 000 lists. So how many objects do we have and it's a challenge because when we give this to military forces they should have some priority they could not preserve everything and as for now we can have monument as a wooden charge of 18th century but also monument of a Soviet soldier of the same importance in the list. So the question of what's our real heritage is another question besides database digitization could solve many of these problems but we have to answer a number of questions for this which data we need do they appear who generates them who uses and so on so it's very complex problem and we believe that only data infrastructure approach is the answer and not to do one software for example for everybody but it's important to have rules and standards and so complex solution with hardware and software with trainings and organization support so with this we created a vision we started one project with Zinescu last year and we created a version of possible infrastructure when many actors who create data as museums, archaeologists, archaeologists or cd modelers can create and share data with special standards like Iberana, Iberana, Ocarare in machine readable way to make this interoperable to open for white society but also for special tasks during the war for stolen objects for conservators and linking to official ministerious register of immobile heritage or museum collections and register so what we do in part of war documenting we do in this vision and dream to unite many actors in this field what else also we work with museums in anti-crisis way because our inventory books but also to create a biodegradation center which can work for many museums as for now it's in view but then we dream and plan to multiply in other regions so not so to raise capacity of museums to create this data and this center is a kind of competence and expertise to do different things not only one type of objects for many museums constantly and digital accounting system also we understand that we should the war is unusual and nobody was ready to this not only in Ukraine I believe and we we have sudden challenges and need to respond as soon as possible so we after damage it damages we did expedition with military forces to document this if possible and did special report for this also to present methodology because very important as to develop experience and international methodologies which we use to set them to present realities and we try to also to share this new experience and skills and changes done so we did conference for this in April you can see the whole recording of this about different internal things we do and also we did report about details and everything you can see on this side heritage in UAE and other direction is forensic heritage and we was together with cry and conflict observatory we did monitoring of looted museums and presented the results on conference with ICOM together with Ukrainian ICOM committee about looted museums and of course there are people around museums which are kidnapped and it's also the question also we provide military forces with data and Delta is a software for which they use for military planning but they created also separate layer for heritage and to understand where important objects especially archaeological for example and not to damage if possible during the war actions so and they take this data from our database in machine readable way through API and another layer they do have for war crimes for looted museums and damaged objects because it's like software where you can understand from where which missile came and what happened not after but during the situation and actually it's very important to work with military forces for salvage and documenting of heritage because as civilians we have very limited access especially near the war zone that's why creating of CPP division is very important for us and finishing with creation of blue shield Ukraine and expeditions with military forces were very effective thanks to access they provide and the help they can so here you can see our platform where you try to download data and reports and it will be developed with new directions our facebook page and also we try to to act as networking so capacity depends on ties and people who can help not only professionally but also in management that's why we invite to contact and partnership and back back to the future I believe that we should think about followers who who who will who could continue what we do and that's why it's very important not only to not only to do but to describe and to to work with with fire in the ice so so database is about 100 000s of objects but actually for me personally and I hope for everybody and every each hell has its own object which is very important for him and we take care of of that's why we should think not only about exploring not only about institutions but how it can be sustainable in time so heritage tourism approach as important creating clusters in cooperation with museums government business and local community finding some sustainable financial models also are very important because it's about life it's about importance of heritage and that it will be needed after us to I hope and now we I have the feeling that we are trying to to build some plane during the flight not only to to work with the war consequences but also trying to build system we didn't have before thank you for attention and maybe questions thank you very much that was that was excellent very very inspiring and I'm looking around the audience here I throw it open to questions if anybody has any anyone liked it yeah there's a lady up there we'll just bring the microphone up to her can you hear that myself the sheet or she just now yes best test just a second we're we're having difficulty with the microphone thanks again are you here me now echoing it yes I do that you can so um back to I have on question whether you have developed how to monitor what to on your man sorry but I'm here half of words but half not you can't hear properly maybe if you ask if you want to come down or okay question I can and yeah that's probably the best thing or maybe you can repeat in microphone she she's coming now so it's probably easier okay can you hear me now yes perfect thanks thanks again thanks for this splendid presentation and congratulations for all the strategy you have developed in fighting and in saving anything you can I have a question concerning whether you have also developed some strategy or or developed thoughts about how to monitor and how to act in territories that are currently still occupied by the Russian army looted museums where for instance Russian experts are hired to rebuild or to with the promise to rebuild the monuments and so on and so on which is actually against the Geneva Convention but of course they they do not see this and they do not act that so do you have any thoughts or power to act also in the occupied territories thanks for the question actually our power is in our action so we are not the ministry right but we try to cooperate and to share what we can and cooperate where we can so there are a few directions of this on the level of monitoring of distant monitoring from news we try to monitor everything but as at the beginning of the project a year ago we used a website of ministry as a main source because a person who did this monitoring did it very good and precisely so we trusted this and didn't duplicate and just took information about objects in the region and then went to this damaged objects into the expedition on the occupied territories but ministry doesn't do this anymore doesn't publish this anymore so we are developing this monitoring system by ourselves in combination with our database and our knowledge about objects about publishing I believe that it should be like closed information and we should be very accurate with heritage informing about heritage on damaged territories especially museums because it will be more dangerous for them when we will talk loudly about for example showing the list of whole museums or actions which could be done so I think public silence is more important and of course we cannot we can have some information from people but it should be also very accurate and not not officially because they are still there and it's dangerous for them people people are about everything but for example as for looted museums we did this on looted territories about facts of looting conflict observatory scry and cultural heritage monitoring lab from virginia museum provided us with information from news and from satellite imagery and we tried to prove this from like on site or through contacts here in Ukraine so this combination is very very important and actually joining forces is very important because there are many initiatives who do this but not duplicating and to join information would bring much more information but as for now we have visited more sites and we're on the site of ministry as for today about damaged objects and we cannot visit this even border of fire is not accessible for us even for military so no not even after after missiles in different parts of Ukraine not always we can read this but for example when drama theater was was stroke we did quick report on this but it's not on occupy territory thank you thank you very much any other questions yes there's somebody coming down now for another question so thank you for the presentation i was wondering i know that there are some archaeological artifacts in black market for from Ukraine and does those items come from the looted museum or are also archaeological site being looted both as far as we know our expedition was military couldn't reach all sites after flooding after them ruining but black archaeologists did in herston region and second in museums also i think it's complicated so we see patterns from russian site and part of this became like black archaeology from museums but also some looted collections like persons from very high level told them to do this so it's like on purpose it's not like for markets and for auction but other thing is black archaeology in Ukraine was also before the war and it was not solved this problem so it's a long problem which exists before and maybe it's also from previous times because exactly many many people do this and government does not solve this problem as for now properly and effectively thank you that's such a terrible terrible shame and any other questions i just have one question which maybe hopefully is a little more positive and then perhaps that might be a good point to stop and we're coming up on two o'clock and i was wondering about the records that you've made and the the data that you've collected and wondering how you envisage or how you think that you might be able to use that in the future in terms of repairing and restoring the buildings and structures that have been damaged your own thank you thank you for the question it is used already so we started to share this just after first expeditions a year ago and but you know it's not so like hierarchically so officials are mostly busy because of the war because of very urgent routine and on places they have no neither capacity nor money for restoration so as for now i think mostly donors like what monument funds are trying to help to do some stabilizing things but in future of course we work for this we believe that data not only data about damages but for example scuba then you come in museum we have as it was before the damage not only after the damage and it will help not only to to reconstruct but also to rethink because as we thought about library in cherny here a very nice building damaged maybe some some damages should be shown through like in museum interpretation way in different kind of material of the wall or like you know and other other direction is to rethink the usage of this post-soviet libraries or folk houses which were created during soviet times for example and which are not about 21st century so we can see what was before soviet union there so i believe that when you have database and when you everything is linked and you can put layers on layers of your knowledge you can do investigations of of ukrainian heritage i believe the world is more interested and will be in recent times and you can put some census identity or some research or some development of educational programs on the basis of this data so it can be used in different ways when you can trust this information and when you do this constantly and linking everything together and put in in database for four years