 So to transition from the bit where I've attacked his integrity to the bit where we start to deal with the Bible This would be a good starting passage. He brews 10. Now on his video Bad News for Osas He's only put verses 30 to 31 on the screen, but he does verbally quote verse 26. Now Verse 26 is right up there with James 2 as one of the most used well misused and abused passages in the Bible that conditional security Advocates love to point to they think that's like a case closed there So have a look at what he says About what he thinks that means particularly where it says there remains no more sacrifice for sins And then we're going to go through Hebrews 10 in context and see what that verse actually says and When you realize when you read it to its logical conclusion It more or less says the exact opposite actually of what he interprets it And I think if you can grasp what Hebrews 10 is saying, I Think a lot more other stuff in the Bible will probably start to make more sense as well particularly in the way that sacrifices Work in the Old Testament and how they work in the New Testament So we'll just have a look what he has to say about this first So there you have it folks He emphasised the point about the Lord judging his people because I guess some people that He's confronted of tried to make it out as if it's people that aren't his people. They just mix with good God's people will know as he said the Lord will judge his people. That's the context there But he mentioned verse 26 and if you notice the way that he Interpreted that verse he interprets that if we sin willfully after we've received the knowledge of the truth There remains no more sacrifice for sins and what what he's essentially saying is that your sin is Not covered by a sacrifice. There is no available sacrifice for it So another way of phrasing this would be Jesus's sacrifice is no longer effective for you So ergo you lose your salvation So what we're going to do is we're going to look at Hebrews 10 in its context and we'll briefly talk about the Old Testament sacrifices as well and that will help give us the context as to what the writer of Hebrews Really means when he says there remains no more sacrifice and if you follow it to its logical conclusion It will actually say the exact opposite of what this guy says So actually I'm going to go back to Hebrews 9 actually just back up just a little bit before 10 for some full context So when you're reading chapter 9 he's talking about the differences in the Testaments and the need for blood to be shed So you could see they're more over he in verse 21. That's Moses And it explains that in verse 22 without the shedding of blood There is no remission or you might say Forgiveness of sin so that there needs to be the shedding of blood there as we can see Now in verse 23 You'll see then that it says the patterns of things in the heavens Should be purified and so what we can take to mean from this is that everything the kind of things that Moses would have done Carnally in the tabernacle Jesus would have done in in heavenly places. Okay, and this is explained in verse 24 It says for Christ is not entered into the holy places that are and here's the key bit made with hands But that the Old Testament things are figures as it goes on to say but the these things are in heaven itself So basically what Christ is doing Christ isn't just doing things on the earth. He's doing things in heavenly places So it's everything that Moses did is just a carnal Physical illustration of what's going on in heavenly places. All right further down then you go to verse 25 and It's explained that no all yet should he offer himself Often so Christ doesn't have to keep doing what he did over and over and over at the cross Whereas the high priest entered into the holy place Every year as we can see there Christ didn't need to do that. He only have to offer himself once because he's doing it in heaven and then verse 26 explains that If if he had to keep doing it over and over again like the high priest would have had to keep doing it over and over again Then he would have had to often suffer since the foundation of the world Okay, but it explains that now once in the end of the world He has appeared to be put away sin by the sacrifice of himself And as it explains it is appointed once men wants to die but after this the judgment So in essence Christ only has to die Once he doesn't have to keep dying dying over again. That's something that the Catholics believe that he's some kind of Perpetual offering or something like that, but no it's a wantson for all offering and it's interesting although this passage doesn't particularly mention it It does allude to this foundation of the world issue and there are other passages in the Bible They explain actually Christ died before the foundation of the world, but I'm not going to get too much into that now So this is what it's leading up to that we have the Old Testament sacrifices But these are all a physical shadow of what's going on in heavenly places, okay? And Christ only needs to be offered once he doesn't need continually offering which he's going to further explain in Hebrews chapter 10 And so Hebrews 9 ends with verse 28 where it flat out says Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and on to them that look for him Shall he appear a second time? We obviously expect Christ's second coming, but this will be without sin on to salvation He's not going to go through the cross all over again when he comes back next time And then bearing in mind that the chapter numbers didn't exist when the writer of Hebrews wrote this letter So Hebrews 10 carries on the exact same thought that he was just mentioning in Hebrews 9 So he goes on to explain that the law was only a shadow of good things to come Not the very image of those things itself So these sacrifices can they're offered year by year continually because they cannot make the comers there on to Perfect continual offering, okay? And then he goes on to ask a hypothetical question in verse 2 because if those sacrifices Could purge our sins then would would they have not ceased to be offered? So would they have not stopped offering them continually, but they did keep offering them continually It couldn't purge all of their sins because if it had then the worshippers should have no more conscience of sin But again these sacrifices there is a remembrance and that's made Every year of sins. So that again, it's just carrying on the same thought that it's already been saying and The reason is is that it's just simply not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins They're only a carnal example of New Testament things or what Christ is doing in heavenly places But there's that continual year on year on reminder that we don't have in the New Testament So we no longer have that same conscience of sins and Then because the blood of bulls and goats can't take away sins That's why it then goes on to it to explain versus five to seven That a body of Christ has been Prepared, okay So this is going to be a perfect sacrifice because God has had no pleasure In the burnt offerings and the Old Testament sacrifices for sin And then in verse eight and nine he essentially Repeats what he's already said. So he just sort of rephrases it a little bit for emphasis And then notice this important bit in verse 10. This is important So by the which we will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ and watch this It ends saying once and for all. This is super important because this is Setting everything for what Hebrews 10 is trying to explain when it will get to verse 26. Okay It's once and for all Jesus has done this once and for all And then just in case you missed it from the verses that we've already read He then goes on to explain the exact same point In verse 11 and 12 that the priests are daily ministering Doing oftentimes the same sacrifices and they can never take away sins But this man Jesus Christ in verse 12 offered one sacrifice four sins Forever sat down at the right of right hand of God. So this is important folks. It's forever Okay, everything that Jesus did replacing the Old Testament sacrifices. It's done forever You see he keeps repeating it. He keeps saying it different ways And yet people still want to quote verse 26 completely out of context And then 13 to 16 are just going to requalify this and again if you've Not read it properly in the verses that we've just been reading Once again in verse 14 for by one offering He has perfected forever them that are sanctified Again, this is the the context that the conditional security folk don't want to read to you Okay, they don't make a big deal out of this because it's too convenient for them to just quote verse 26 on its own And then using the Holy Ghost as the Witness to us It's then quoting Old Testament passages to justify this point that this is the covenant I will make with them the new covenant after those days I will put my laws into their hearts and in in their minds will I write them Now there is something important here in verse 16 that we do need to address because otherwise Conditional security folk like a PUC unapologetics will try and use this verse against you They'll say we'll see I will put my laws into their hearts and in their minds will I write them well Yes, there is a mention of the law there and it being written in your heart But it's already explained elsewhere in the bible that in regards to your righteousness and in regards to salvation It cannot be attained by the works of the law. Okay, so for salvation it's without law However, having said that because God has written the laws In our hearts It's still his will that we obey them and Jesus re-emphasize some of the Old testament commandments like, you know, you shall not steal you shall not commit adultery You shall not commit murder and so on and so on and so on so it's still right that we do those things But salvation is apart from those things and so concluding the issue of law then Well, yes, follow the laws in in terms of turning from your sins, etc But that's not going to help your salvation Okay, because everything that this chapter is pointing to Is that Christ is the offering the sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins You don't turn from your own sins to get forgiveness for those sins That's christ's job and then once you've believed on him He will write the law on your heart and then from there as a believer you follow the law But not to be saved though. It's very important that we make that distinction And remember that when we looked at discrediting his integrity He would sometimes use one argument and then use a counter argument that cancels out his other argument when it suits him to do So so people like that will use a verse like this to explain about the law written on your hearts And they'll argue that see you need to follow the laws But we already know that we're not justified by the law. Okay, so this is where we separate our works from our salvation Yes, it's right to do works, but no not for salvation. Okay And so then in verse 17 the writer of Hebrews will quote the old testament When it was prophesied their sins and iniquities will I remember no more? So this is completely counter to conditional security because it would rely on god remembering your sins But here it's saying I will remember them no more Now why is that well? He says well where there is forgiveness of these There is no more offering for sin. So again Jesus Is the final offering For sin Okay, and that's why god will remember no more Because of the fact that jesus christ is the once and final sacrifice. Okay And so then verse 19 onwards We'll start to explain the new life of people whose Sins are covered with jesus's offering. So therefore boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of jesus And we have a new and living way and he has consecrated for us through the veil that is to say his flesh and having a high priest over the house of god and He's also explained this as well In Hebrews that jesus christ is the final high priest that cannot be touched by our inferences And so then we can Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith Having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience And our bodies washed with water. So you see how his sprinkling his blood offering Deals with the issue of conscience for sin. It deals with the issue of remembrance for sin It washes us. Okay. It takes away that conscience of sin And so that now that jesus's offering has covered us It's washed us. It's taken away the remembrance of our sins. Well, that's per verse 22 Now we can draw near with that full assurance of faith So because we have that full assurance of faith then that takes us on to verse 23 Let's hold fast the profession of our faith. Let's not waver in that faith Let's have full confidence in what christ has accomplished And then in verse 24 and again This is going to be a verse that apiucion and people like that would love to point to because it again Alludes to our works and he thinks that we need works of faith To be saved but all the salvation is all dealt with jesus's offering jesus's offering Is to deal with your sin But now that we can have that full assurance and now that we can hold fast our profession of faith Well now that we've got that sorted Then let's consider one another to provoke onto love and good works And you see the mistake that these conditional security folk and these work salvation folk make Is that they take something that comes after faith something that's for saved people And they make that part of the condition to be saved And I'll get back into that a moment, but let's just go all the way up to 26 And then we can re-examine some of the stuff about sacrifices I'll try and simplify it for anybody that I may have lost at this point And we'll explain what's wrong with mixing works and faith together for salvation So in verse 25 it gives us a good example Of provoking each other to good work. So that's why we assemble together We you know, we gather together places like church. That's to provoke one another Two good works, okay? You're not going to get that provoking if you're a Christian in isolation that never assembles with anybody for Being provoked into doing good works And so now that we've read this passage in its full context, we now know what verse 26 means So if we sin willfully There remains no more sacrifice for sins because Jesus is the final sacrifice once and for all If you sin again, he does not need to die all over again He does not need to go to the cross all over again He is the once and for all sacrifice for the remission of our sins And our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with water So this is just a visual illustration for those of you that perhaps don't know very much about this If you look at the book of Leviticus you get a lot of details about the Old Testament sacrifices where Every time somebody sins there's a certain offering that he has to bring and there may be an offering for the ordinary man and an offering for the ruler And so on and there was also offerings that the high priest had to do every year for the for the people So essentially, uh, here's the pattern that would happen. So you see that God's own people sinned. This is not a law that applied to the philistines Or the Amalekites or whoever they didn't have a Levitical priest or this is specifically the nation of Israel Well, guess what God's own people sinned it happened So then because God's own people sin and you can take this to be either an individual or the the group collectively We then see that a sacrifice was then remaining So they would have to go to the temple and they would have to bring their sacrifice And they would have to do the sacrifice and sprinkle the blood and so on and so forth The problem is with that as soon as they you know shortly after they've done that sacrifice Wouldn't take very long again Before then God's own people sinned Again, that that's just what would happen. So again, there would be another sacrifice remaining for sins So they would have to go to the altar Sprinkle the blood do the burnt offering and all the other offerings that they had to do and so on and so forth Once they've done that sacrifice. Well, again, what would happen? God's own people would sin again and so What happens then well once again? They need to bring the sacrifices to the altar and on and on and on it goes and so you can see how This is a continual offering throughout the Old Testament. So it's very easy to understand when when you see it illustrated like this so then What's changed in the New Testament? Well, it's very easy to see what changed in the New Testament because Hebrews has just been explaining it to us in the Verses we looked at So we see that God's own people sin it happens But there now remains no more sacrifice for sin Jesus doesn't have to go through all of the cross again And there's nothing in this passage to indicate that somebody has to repent and get saved all over again either That's just not indicated in this passage at all At least when I say repented I mean for salvation is what I mean And then what happens is well God's people sin again. Unfortunately does happen But nevertheless there remains no more sacrifice for sins And then God's people sin again But once again there remains no more sacrifice for sins. Now. Why does there remain no more sacrifice for sins? Well, it's been clearly explained That Jesus is the once and for all sacrifice. So that's what verse 26 means It does not mean that Jesus the sacrifice stops being effective That's the very opposite of what it means and people who think that that's what it means Will you go and offer a bull or a ram at the temple then if you think that that's what that actually means And so why this passage helps is that it helps you to understand the difference between the forgiveness of sins or that the remission of sins plural or collectively Verses the difference between God's ongoing Forgiveness of sins or the need to be forgiven on an ongoing basis. Okay And so backing up in uh chapter 9 verse 22 it said without the shedding of blood there is no Remission so by Christ shedding his blood that that's where the remission was. Okay, so When the king james bible uses the word remission Uh as far as I understand it comes from the same Word as forgiveness that it's translated from so modern bibles will just say forgiveness Whereas what the king james does it sometimes uses the word forgiveness when Some things kind of on an ongoing basis like in the Lord's prayer forgive us Lord our sins But then it often uses the word remission Collectively when it's like the remission of sins as opposed to the forgiveness of sins So You can argue about whether that's right to do that or not, but it just helps explain The difference so moving back up then to uh chapter 10 verse 26 We could see if we sin willfully after we've received the knowledge of truth Well there remains no more sacrifice for sins Jesus doesn't have to die all over again There's not even an indication that you have to believe and get baptized and go through all of that again To get your salvation back or anything like that the blood has already been shed The sacrifice has already been offered. It's the final sacrifice So the remission of sins the collective plural overall forgiveness of sins Is already dealt with there's already been bloodshed. Jesus sacrifice has already covered it There's no more conscience of that sin So then what's going what's god going to do to you then if you carry on sinning if he says i'm going to remember Your sin no more matt the blood of jesus is going to cover your sin What is god going to do because he's not just going to sit back and allow you to sin right Well, that's going to be explained after verse 26 So then if we sin willfully Jesus doesn't have to die again There's not even an indication that you need to get resaved all over again But this is what you can expect in verse 27 Says a fear certain fearful looking for judgment. Okay, we can expect that and fiery indignation Which shall devour the the adversaries so the adversaries ones who are Continue to to keep sinning. Okay, and it does explain that the lord shall judge his people So I I definitely think this is referring to saved people. It's not referring to those outside Now the problem with epucion apologetics and people like him is that they read the fiery indignation And they automatically assume it means hell But the thing is a lot of the passages that he picks out about how you can lose salvation or how god's going to judge you in Hell it It's funny how he uses verses That don't use these words Verses that don't mention eternal life Verses that don't mention salvation Verses that don't even mention the word hell if if the writer of Hebrews meant hell by that He could have just said hell. Okay. Now if if the people today who uh various false prophets today One of the accusations that people like me and also people like epucion would throw against them is that they Don't talk about these subjects. They don't want to talk about hell. They don't want to address the hard stuff in the bible They always use fancy language to dance around it and yet epucion Indirectly accuses the apostles of doing the same thing because he keeps reading the word hell When they never use the word hell. So unless you think they're using fluffy language to not mention the h word Why wouldn't you just say hell if that's what he really meant like what let's cut the fluffy language that that's ambiguous Let's just get straight to the point. Okay But this is how they accuse the apostles of talking. They accuse them of fluffy language Indirectly and he's going to do it elsewhere when we look at some of his other stuff Like I think he does it to Galatians as well, which again, it's funny because Paul I don't even think the word hell even appears in any of Paul's letters in the concordants But there you go. We'll we'll deal with that as we get to it But he gives us an example of the fiery indignation. Okay. So what is the firing indignation that we can expect? Well, he does explain that he who died without mercy Sorry, he who despised Moses's law died without mercy under two or three witnesses. So there's an example of the kind of Things we can expect the the indignation if we sin willfully. All right So this is there's only an indication that this is a physical death because what would happen at certain laws in the old Testament if you violated those laws There were certain laws where you could be put to death. Okay So that's that's the context. That's what he's giving us to go on to understand what he means by firing indignation He doesn't explain anything that has anything to do with hell or anything like that And then he goes on to say How much sore punishment? Suppose you shall he be thought worthy some the one who was trampled under the foot the son of god by Doing this this willful sin and has countered the blood of the covenant And unholy thing and notice it says he was sanctified past tense There is nothing in this passage that says he suddenly becomes unsanctified But he is counting the blood an unholy thing and has done despite onto the spirit of grace So he doesn't say he's fallen from grace. He doesn't say grace no longer applies to this person But he has done this in spite of grace and then it you know, it goes on to say vengeance belongs to me And I will recompense and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living god So people like a puc unapologetics, they'll point to people in the bible and they'll say this person lost his salvation and that person lost his salvation But when you go to the bible their salvation and their eternal life isn't mentioned So what we're going to do is to help expand on what we've learned here. Okay We're going to look at other examples in the old testament Of people who despised Moses' law or did some great willful sin And then we're going to look at the way god dealt with them because what does he mean here by Sorrow punishment and believe it or not God can punish you in worse ways than just dying Even if you're not going to help right believe it or not So we're going to look at examples But there's one key point that I want to get across to you here So then if god's people sin willfully while the blood offering was already made Earlier in the chapter it already explained it has perfected forever them that are sanctified and Here when it refers to the adversary says he was sanctified And this is what we can call the remission or the forgiveness of sins However, as the chapter then later explains one can expect firing indignation that may punish us sorely And so we see why god says that like jesus told his disciples when you pray say give us lord our Daily bread and forgivers our sins because this is what you need to be watching out for So this is what you need to be asking forgiveness for Not not salvation related. So as I mentioned, we're going to look at other examples Of people in the bible who despised Moses' law and how they were punished sorely for that So I thought a good place to start would be The example of david david is obviously a very well known bible character He was a man after god's own heart. There were many things that david did right We get a lot of our psalms from david But we also know of the rather famous story where he killed uriah to commit adultery with his wife Now if you've seen my Video on the gospel of john chapter 7 for biblical salvation settled once and for all Towards the end of the video. I actually addressed this issue of conditional security including epucion actually Where they Base what they believe on things that the bible doesn't explicitly say And one of the things that I brought out was some guy makes this comment that baptist tell you in this osas I give him a reply and say well, here's the reason why they believe it And then he replies well, you didn't pay much attention to the story of what happened to david after The whole bathsheba incident So well, we're going to pay attention to what happens in that story and you're never going to believe this but his salvation is Not mentioned spoiler alert so um second samuel chapter 12 is where It documents that david had committed adultery and that was in the previous chapter and then the lord was obviously angry at david And so the lord sent nathan onto david so the first part of this chapter deals with uh, nathan coming on to david Uh, he then gives that the uh parable towards david And then he explains in uh verse seven that david is the person being described in the parable david was obviously Very angry at this story as in verse five not realizing that it was actually about him. Okay So there's nothing that we need to uh cover here for what we're talking about in this video So then once we go through verses eight and nine, that's where nathan finishes off Talking about the things that david did And then once we get on to verse 10 That's where we start to see the punishments that god has put on david. So let's let's have a look at how god Punished david for doing this sin. Okay, and it's very important because if you can grasp what's happening here What we've just explained in hebrus 10 will make more sense and what's coming up in this uh Discussion about osas and everything else that epi you see on completely misses will start to make more sense. All right So let's have a look down here. So We start to see in verse 10 Therefore the sword shall never depart From your house. Okay So there there's the first punishment there. So we see throughout david's life his kingdom was subject to war it wouldn't really Come to peace until solomon's time after david. Okay, so there's the first punishment And he goes on to emphasize this i will raise up evil against you out of your own house in verse 11 so, uh, that can be a reference to Uh, the infighting that was going on in david's family his own sons Trying to kill each other trying to kill him etc etc And I will take uh your wives before your eyes So another thing another punishment that was given to david She'll give them onto your neighbor And he shall lie with your wives in the sight of the sun and so on so you've got that there in verse 11 And so here's here's an crucial point in verse 12 now This is the most embarrassing thing for for david here is that he did these things secretly But this is going to be done these punishments will be done before is all israel and before the sun So, uh, as if it's not already going to be hard enough on david that he's going to receive these punishments His sin is going to be exposed publicly. Everyone's going to know about this. Everyone's going to know about Um, these these punishments and things Uh, david then acknowledges, uh, that he has sinned against the lord So he does he does acknowledge it now do pay close attention to Uh, how david replies here notice that he strictly speaking He does not actually say sorry from what we can see um He does not seem to ask for forgiveness But he does Acknowledge that he's sinned. So there you go. So that that's how you can see how, uh, david replied there Okay, well, he acknowledges his sin. He doesn't ask for forgiveness strictly speaking here or even say that he's sorry strictly speaking So it's important not to Embellish this because what what people like epi eusion apologetics to i think his name's adamant probably easier than saying the full channel name but But what he does is he embellishes people's repentance in the bible or Uh, he embellishes what actually happens. So even though there's no evidence that somebody Repented in sackcloth and ashes He saw he makes it out as if that probably happened when it's not evident We'll look up. We'll look at other examples of that in a bit So that's how david responded now. I'm just zooming in here on 13 to 14 because we just need to pay extra close attention to this so david acknowledged that he's sinned against the lord we can see that underlined in red there And then so nathan says on to david in response to his acknowledgement that the lord Has also put away your sin Okay, and so because the lord has put away your sin notice it says You shall not Die right? Okay, so this is crucial and that will we'll come back to that in a second But let's just carry on for a minute. So how be it because this deed you have given so despite the fact that god has Put away your sin and you shall not die How be it because you have given the enemy's great occasion to blaspheme the lord The child that is also born on to you shall surely Die. Okay. Now. This is uh, very important. So Let's get an overall flavor of what's going on here So first it does say that the lord has put away david's sin We've also seen very clearly david shall not die However, despite the fact that god has put away david's sin Despite the fact that david shall not die despite the fact that david's already been punished by having war and the sword being brought and Evil against his household Nevertheless his child will also his child will die that that is another punishment He's going to receive despite his sin being put away So this is everything that's being pronounced to david now after verse 14 In verse 15 it will then go on to explain how david's child Was stricken with sickness. So that's the the last punishment in the list, but being the first to actually be fulfilled Now this is very important here particularly the bit where it says that uh, thou shall not die now one thing that i've noticed about Adam at put own is that sometimes to justify his conditional security He'll take verses that refer to dying And he makes them about eternal life So a verse says you shall die or the man that does this thing shall die by them or whatever it might be And he'll make it a salvation verse. He'll make it about eternal salvation When it's not necessarily clear from the context that salvation is even being discussed Now you see i could just pluck verse 13 here completely out of context and see we'll see david sinned against the lord but god put it away and he shall not die He didn't lose his salvation, but if you actually read it in context It's clear that from verse 14 that this is not An eternal damnation source of a death that david's avoiding here I mean i don't think anybody would argue that the child is going to be eternally damned Because of what david did So we do see here that thou shalt not die Is a physical kind of a death and so it's going to be very Important to understand this when we deal with a lot of the other verses that he likes to take out of context That he makes them about death eternally when that's not necessarily the case. Okay now if we examine what we've seen in this passage We've seen that david's eternal life Is never mentioned now Obviously i'm using kind of a logical argument here but if If losing your salvation is something that can really happen and it's a serious business And there's all these warnings across the bible that tell us we can lose our salvation according to adam Well, would it not then be one of the first things to mention to david because wouldn't you think that that's the most important thing Before you comment on any earthly punishment. Surely the worst thing is hey david you have lost your salvation Nathan never mentions it. It's never mentioned But then we've seen fools like this guy that once commented like you didn't pay any attention to what happened to david Well, we're looking at what happened to david His eternal life is not mentioned and the closest thing that we have Is his physical life because obviously these things are sometimes a representation of eternal life Sure, but the closest thing that we have His physical death, which you could say is a picture of eternal life if you like well He shall not die and god has put away his sin and notice that as we just looked at david hasn't apologized He hasn't even asked for forgiveness here, but the lord has already put away his sin Nevertheless despite god putting away his sin He's still going to receive all of these punishments And so this all ties in with what's referred to as the chastisement of believers and it's how god deals with The sins of his own people now again If his own people can lose their salvation that should be the first thing to mention here because it's the most important Thing that's happened to david it's just simply not mentioned and so we can start to see how conditional security can't starts to crumble because They cannot grasp this if their life dependent and well actually their eternal life does depend on it and they can't grasp it They just cannot understand this at all and to be honest. I think we they're using it. I think it's willing ignorance I think he just chooses not to understand it because it it would crumble his doctrine But we'll again all to come still more to deal with later But the chastisement of believers is something that's very well documented in the bible now typically when we Go to our verses about salvation about how it's by faith and this that and the other we go to the new testament It's a lot easier to preach the gospel from the new testament But when it comes to dealing with how god deals with the sins of his own people The old testament is far more abundant than the new testament Because most of the bible is written about and to god's people That's what it deals with a lot. It deals with god's people more than it deals with the heathen by longshot And so we've obviously got the story from the history But but because we're obviously dealing with salvation issues Let's bring this into salvation by looking at some parallel passages In the old testament So psalm 89 is a really good one to start with It's a very long psalm. So i'm not i'm not going to quote the entire psalm, but We see starting from verse 20 That he starts to talk about david my servant and how I anointed him. Okay, so then it goes on to read some stuff about david and His enemies and so on and so forth. We see a reference to God's faithness Sorry faithfulness and mercy being with david there in verse 24 and then Further down in verse 28 my mercy will I keep for him for evermore? So that's a very important word there And my covenant shall stand faster with him and remember this is Remember that god has foreknowledge. So god already knows The sins that david was going to commit in second samuel remember this is all you know God has all that foreknowledge, which is another thing where conditional security is going to fall apart But looking verse 29 his seed also will I make to endure forever now? Uh, obviously, we know that in terms of his physical seed his physical seed Didn't retain the throne and so on but we know that it was fulfilled in jesus because We have a lot in the new testament that talks about how we are the children of like abraham and people like that through faith not not by Ancestry, okay Now look at this crucial, but this is where we get to the very crucial matter verse number 30 If his children forsake my law And walk not in my judgments. Oh, they lose their salvation. Well, let's let's keep reading and see what happens 1st 31 if there's important if They break my statutes And keep not my commandments. Well, what will you do with them? Lord, will you take away their salvation? Will you block their name out of the book of life or something? Well, look what god says he's going to do I will visit their transgression with the rod And their iniquity With stripes, okay But watch this never the less My loving kindness Will I not utterly take from him? Nor suffer my faithfulness to fail My covenant will I not break Nor alter the thing that has gone out of my lips Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto david His seed shall endure forever Okay, so this is very important what we're seeing here folks. Okay What actually happens to the children of david and we assume that that also means any believer That this is all the stuff that's going to happen to them. So let let's recap So god will visit their in transgressions their sins their iniquity with rod with with stripes But he will not take away his loving kindness his faithfulness will not fail Yet he will fulfill to david what he agreed he would do So then let's apply that to us as god's children in the new testament So then I will visit their transgression with the rod Well, Hebrews 10 has already explained this if we sin willfully we ought to be looking for judgment and firing indignation This was already explained in Hebrews 10 So then the next bit nevertheless my utter loving kindness will I not utterly take from him? Well, it goes without saying that salvation is part of god's loving kindness But hold on to that thought because we'll look at some important passages in a moment And then last bit I will not break my covenant nor alter what has gone out of my lips Well, what came out of jesus lips what covenant or agreement did jesus make with us? Well, he said all that come to me I give on to the maternal life They shall never perish I should lose nothing I will in no wise cast them out No man shall ever pluck them out of my hand That's what's come out of his lips. He cannot go against what he said He will not suffer his faithfulness to fail. He will not break his covenant So let's pick up on this theme of god's loving kindness that he said he will not utterly take from david's children if they sin against him and a good psalm to look at would be psalm 51 now Some bibles will say that it's directed to the chief musician. It's a psalm of david When nathan the prophet came on to him after he had gone into bathsheba. So it's very Specific and relevant to what we've just been looking at in in the book of samuel So, uh, notice how he introduces his psalm here. So he says have mercy upon me. Oh god And what what is that based on? What's it according to? Well, it's according to God's loving kindness that we see there. Remember god said My loving kindness will I not utterly take from him? Well, his loving kindness Involves mercy. That's what david's praying for here And then it goes on to say according to your the multitude of your tender mercies blots out my transgressions So notice the uh, theme which david is appealing to here for his transgressions to be blotted out It's not because well look at me god. I've turned from all of my sins. So please Uh have mercy upon me. No, it's it's according entirely to god's loving kindness And according to his mercy And as we carry on working our way through this psalm look at david's appeal to god He asks for god to wash him thoroughly and cleanse him from his sin. That's there in verse two Uh, he acknowledges his transgression. So, uh notice that he doesn't specifically apologize He doesn't even commit that he's gonna turn from it all and never do it again But but he does acknowledge it though. He acknowledges that he's transgressed And uh, you can see his frustration with his sin here that he says his sin is ever before him So, uh, you know, this this seems to be his sin before him something that he dealt with perhaps on a Continual basis not necessarily this but sin specifically But obviously, uh, sin it was an ongoing struggle for david at multiple Times during his life as we know from other stories in the bible as well And he goes on further to acknowledge the sin that he's done against god. So against you lord Have I sinned only so david? Even though we could argue david sinned against your eye or sinned against bethegibre It was specifically god that he sinned against in the context of this psalm And interestingly in verse five behold i was shaping in iniquity and incended my mother conceived me And on my channel, I did a video on john chapter nine for uh, biblical salvation and we saw from Verse 34 that the Pharisees were saying to the man that was Healed from his blindness. You were born in sin and yet you who were you to teach was essential and they threw him out Well, according to david were all born in sin and so it just showed the Self-righteousness of the Pharisees that they thought, you know, they didn't need to hear it Behold you desire truth in the inward parts and in the hidden part you shall make make me to know wisdom He goes on to ask again for this cleanliness purge me with the hyssop and I shall be clean Wash me and I shall be whiter than snow Make me to hear joy and gladness that the bones which you have broken may rejoice so that there's Uh, a good interesting thing there in verse eight if you want a reason For why david is praying for this he wants his joy back. He wants his gladness back And then hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquities Well, we can see in a way that actually nathan did say to david that the lord has put away your sin And yet still we see david here Praying for god nevertheless to blot out all his iniquities when it was already pronounced that that god has And then moving further into this psalm verse 10 create a mere clean heart renew the right a right spirit within me So that there he is, you know praying for god to put everything right again Cast me not away from your presence and notice this take not your holy spirit from me now Uh, the reason why I underline that in verse 11 is that often these conditional security folk will Use the example of the holy spirit leaving somebody As equivalent to losing their salvation Uh, well the thing is we only have old testament examples of the holy spirit leaving in a couple of cases Perhaps samson and sol come to mind. It's not really documented in the new testament that that can happen But there is actually a distinction between the giving of the holy spirit And uh, actually being saved that they're not directly the holy spirit is given to those that believe as his eternal life But the two things are not directly connected together because in john's gospel People were saved but when people believed but the holy spirit was not yet given So if you want a bit more information on that, uh, you can see on my channel a video on john chapter 7 Biblical salvation settled once and for all where I delve a bit more into that I'm not going to delve into that hugely in this video Uh, but god willing uh, if if I don't take too much time with other things We may be able to look at the example of sol because I think that's a really good Example of somebody who lost the spirit and did sin yet still made it to heaven I think that's something that we will try and deal with later if we can Moving along the song then watch this restore onto me the joy of your salvation So he's not saying lord give me my salvation back. He's asking for the joy Of salvation very important there every every word in in the bible matters. Okay We don't just take salvation and pretend that no it's the joy of salvation the one word makes all the difference And then look in verse 13 and you could say this is another Reason if you like as to what why david's praying this prayer that I will Teach transgressors your ways And sinners shall be converted onto these so the the goal of david obtaining mercy here Is that people who are themselves transgressors and people who are sinners Shall be converted uh based on david's prayer here Now the problem with people like a pucyon is that when they Take the word sinner They automatically assume that that means anybody who even makes one mistake and sins So it's just anybody who does sin, right? So when they see all new testament Passages like whoever commits sin is the servant of sin, etc They apply that to a christian who sins but actually If you do a concordance check on when the word sinners appear Particularly when you look at it in the psalms and how the psalmists use it Even though we do have examples like psalm 51 of david praying for forgiveness and mercy for his own sins He doesn't describe himself as a sinner. Okay He he refers to sinners as being those on the outside those who are the wicked those who are Completely outside of god's will not not believers who have stumbled or or sin For whatever reason that might be Also, uh, some people might think well, what about when jesus said I came to call Sinners to repentance. Well, we're going to look at the repentance issue later Because that's another thing of epi you see ones that i've i've got to take down and deal with that But I have done a video on my channel repentance for salvation biblical salvation settled once and for all where we we dealt with the issue of What does it mean for a sinner to repent onto salvation because it doesn't mean turn from all of your sins literally and never sin again That's not what it means. It means to believe on the lord jesus christ But we'll deal with that later and i've dealt with it in that video as well if you want more information about that But it's very important to acknowledge that when david's saying sinners here. It's referring to those on the outside It's not even necessarily Israelites in this case. It's just people who were not Of god, but he hasn't referred to himself as a sinner. He's just acknowledged that he is somebody who has sinned Nevertheless, he is one of god's children. So He'll go on saying this prayer deliver me from blood guilt in us You god you are the god you the god of my salvation My tongue shall sing aloud of your righteousness. So he's appealing to god to get his joy back And then the psalm comes to a really great end where he says you desire not sacrifice Otherwise, I would give it the sacrifices are a broken spirit A broken and contrite heart and and god you will not despise And so why say all this? Why am I pointing all of this out? Why have we spent so many minutes many minutes on this psalm well Well, it's because it demonstrates an ongoing need For god's forgiveness. Okay Because what I've noticed when I've looked through epucion's stuff I don't know if he started out like this, but it seems to have been going more and more that way is that he started to delve into Sinless perfectionism now he perhaps won't come out and say it like some sick sinless perfectionists will say But it seems to be leading him down that road that you've got to be completely without sin Because if you even do a mistake or you sin whether it's willful or whatever it might be that You then become the servant of sin and now you lose your salvation and can't end to heaven And we'll look we'll look more about that later, but it demonstrates an ongoing need for forgiveness And we see examples of this in the new testament as well. This is not just something that only old testament saint struggled with You know, jesus said He taught us how to pray with the lord's prayer. He said forgive us lord our sins As we forgive those who sin against us and he also in the same prayer said give us our daily Bread so it's not like we just pray once and we repent of all of our sins And then we never need god's forgiveness again because it's all been dealt with and we're not going to sin anymore Because now we're walking a righteous path No, the bible's very clear that there is an ongoing need for for god's forgiveness and this will just continue to unfold as we progress And then one more psalm I thought I'd delve into is psalm 88 because This is a trickier psalm than the one that we've just read and it will show you how you see I could pluck a verse out of here and see we'll see once saved always saved in the old testament But then epiucion could pluck a verse out of the same psalms. It will see conditional security in the old testament So this is an example of a very difficult psalm and this is where you have to be Really careful about understanding how this ties in with the whole bible. So When you read this psalms, oh lord lord god of my salvation Let my prayer come before you incline your ear to my cry And then it goes on to say things like my soul is full of troubles and my life draws near onto the grave I am countered with with them that go into the pit there in verse four Free among the dead so you see someone like epiucion. I don't think he's ever referenced this psalm but but someone Could use this psalm and try and twist it and say well see the person that's appealing to god here Is describing himself as Death as if you know, maybe he lost his salvation and went to hell Particularly as well when it goes on to say you have laid me in the lowest pit in darkness, etc Well, the thing that you have to remember is some of the psalms are actually Not necessarily that relevant to the person writing them. Some of them are actually prophetic about Jesus christ because like the psalm that says you will not leave my soul in hell Well, the person who wrote that psalm wasn't in hell. He was on the earth. He hadn't gone to hell because he hadn't died yet for a start But it's a reference to jesus and it's quoted in ax chapter two. I think When the apostles are referencing Jesus and so that's what you have to understand a lot about this and there's the whole controversy about whether jesus went to hell or heaven in the three days between his Death burial and resurrection. I'm not going to get into that in this video So the the point is just don't let anybody just take these verses and just apply it to you like you can lose your salvation Some of this is actually a reference to Jesus christ But look what the psalm goes on to say You have put My my acquaintance far from me there. You have made me an abomination onto them I am shut up. I cannot come come forth Mine I mourns by reason of affliction So the psalmist is expressing that he's been afflicted by god In some way and obviously we can't take a literal application to the the death verses because this person isn't in hell He's not writing from hell. He's writing on the earth. He hasn't gone there But he's describing it like he's experiencing that And then he goes on to the psalmist goes on to ask these hypothetical questions here in verses 11 and 12 So have a look at this Shall your loving kindness be declared in the grave? Or your faithfulness in destruction? Shall the wonders be known in the dark and your righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? So the way that these hypothetical questions are worded Seem to indicate that the overall flavor of them is that the answer to those questions is no Your loving kindness shall not be declared in the grave Or in destruction your faithfulness Your wonders shall not be known in the dark It's it's the land of forgetfulness Okay, so this seems to be a very negative place And if again if we have a more holistic understanding of the bible We tie that in with What hell is it's it's the judgment of god on those that that reject him and reject his love and reject what christ did and and so No, then you would argue that his loving kindness shall not be declared in the in the grave His faithfulness will not be shown in destruction. That's the very reason why they are destruction and they are the grave So tying all that in then If you were to look through this psalm Through the lens of somebody who believes you can lose salvation Well, god already told david that he will not take his loving kindness away from david utterly But then if you're going to say well david can lose his salvation And if he does then he goes to the grave Well in the grave Loving kindness is not declared according to this psalm. So then we appear to be having a contradiction here Now they'll try and get away around this by saying. Oh, well god's not going to take it away from you But you can walk away from it. Well, that's going to present some problems as well So when I get to dealing with john and epuceum's false interpretations of john We can look at that in a bit more detail But he's it's really when they say well, you can't he's not going to take it away from me But you can walk away from it. It's really a sleight of hand really We we see david sinned but there's no evidence that david lost his salvation There's no evidence that david walked away from his salvation But he did lose his joy and he did suffer for those sins and that and that's going to come really important because epuceum loves to uh straw man osas As making a green light on sin. We're going to we're going to show him doing that But we've seen what happened to david here and there's examples of things that happen to other people In the bible as well, which we'll we'll tap into later But if you can understand this if you can understand how god deals with the sins of believers Then osas while still recognizing that god hates sin We shouldn't do it does start to make perfect sense if you can grasp this Now Epuceum at least appears like he doesn't grasp this me personally. I think he chooses not to grasp this Um, i'm good. I'm going to show an example of that actually where he just Chooses to to not understand this deliberately So he's he's done this video when exactly Do we lose our salvation? Is it after one sin? Is it after tens sins and a thousand sins? I'm obviously not i'm going to play a lot of this just because for the sake of time It's quite a long video But he introduces the topic with this question and he explains The three points of view so you've got number one as long as you haven't completely lost your faith Which that's not connected to work. So that's the people that say you can lose your salvation But not because of works just because of faith He then mentions that there's sinless perfectionism where you absolutely cannot sin At all you must be absolutely perfect And then there's uh somewhere in between and obviously there's various positions within this category Well, he goes on to quantify this as the video progresses That salvation is well, he says it's relational not transactional. So not all sin is the same That's true. Not all sin is the same So you've got something like blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is something that's very Extreme mark of the be something that's very extreme But then he goes on to explain that there's a sin that leads not on to death um That that one there in 1 John 5 17. So he's trying to explain that Sin has various different measures some are more extreme than others the penalties are not necessarily the same in each case and If it weren't for conditional security, he would be right about that. Um, not not all sin is equal That's unbiblical now obviously You only have to transgress one and you've transgressed them all if you're going to try and keep the law for salvation Or if if it's declared that you're Worthy of condemnation if you haven't believed But the way that God punishes sin is not always the same and actually some sins are more severe than others For a variety of reasons, which i'm not i'm not going to get into that now But um about 27 minutes in it then appears as if he's going to deal with this question More absolutely and give you a definitive answer But he doesn't he actually deflects it onto one saved always saved people To answer the question for him, which is just really bizarre But but he relates it to The chastisement of believers because that that's something that we believe in and as we've just looked at We we've seen it in the bible. It's a pattern that we can understand So just have a look at what he says here now, uh So so many people ask so how many sins can I commit then so exactly what's the number? You know, is it one sin? Is it ten sins? Is it a hundred? Is it a thousand? And really this is just the wrong question to be asking But uh, but nonetheless it is it is a it is a question that needs to be dealt with Um, but I have questions for people who would ask this question My question would be So how many sins can you commit before god judges you? So a lot of people who believe in one saved always say do believe that god disciplines you and chastens you my question to you Would be how many question or how many sins does it take for god to discipline you? And to like you did jezebel throw her onto a sick bed. So so how many times did she have to commit? sexual immorality Because because if you're going to ask me exactly how many sins It takes to lose salvation and you're going to have to answer this question How many sins does it take to be disciplined or punished by god? And so there you have it folks. He's been asked a genuine question by People that follow him and people that believe like him And he could have even just explained that it's not quantifiable and used discipline as Kind of like a similar to that that you know, it's kind of like this. It's not necessarily quantifiable But here's why that's it's really ridiculous though because he's then saying well us who believe in osas but still believe in chastisement We've got to explain how many sins it takes before god chastises you But that's a really moronic response because losing your salvation And being chastised by god are not directly equivalent. You cannot directly compare those things But yeah, he acts like that's a very valid question Well, it's not and here's why The salvation Is yes or no It's not measured by in-betweens either somebody is saved Or somebody is not saved. They're not half saved or semi saved or partially saved either somebody saved or they're not saved And moreover when we have our go-to verses about gaining salvation such as whosoever believes in him We're dealing with absolutes. They shall never perish. I should lose nothing It's not I they might perish or I may lose something It's yes or no somebody is saved or isn't saved. It's not quantifiable in various measurement The chastisement of believers though is not the same for every person in manner or in measure Different people will receive Different punishments according to the severity of sin and how much knowledge They have about the laws of god. So I know what the bible says about drunkenness I know what the bible says about fornication. I know what the bible says about this that and the other So if I go out and do those things My chastisement Is going to be unimaginably sore Than the new baby christian who doesn't know what the bible says about those things Okay, so the chastisement of believers is not really quantifiable It's different for different people according to a variety of factors Salvation isn't salvation either you are saved or you're not okay. There's no severity of salvation And so it's really it's it's a stupid deflection. It dodges the question and actually He has actually answered this question somewhere else. He just chooses not to Answer it in this video because again, he picks and chooses contradictory argument points If and when it suits him to do so. So let me show you where he just makes the answer much simpler for you So this is a video titled how will christians be judged? And a couple of people have asked him very similar questions In the comments, so let's see if I can find these so For example, this guy here asks do you have to be sanctified? To go to heaven. Do you have to be perfect? Well, again, we can't just have a yes or no answer But here he goes on to explain according to jesus anyone who is still a slave to sin Will not remain in the house forever You must be made free from your sin and you will not make it now when he says free of your sin He means free from even the the propensity to sin or just being free by never doing those In he doesn't mean free from the death penalty of sin Which is what that actually means in context of that verse. I've done a study on john chapter 8 You can go find it biblical salvation settled once and for all so That's what he says there and then further down are we to try and be perfect or actually be perfect This person asks because I don't see how it is possible to be exactly perfect Well, he says we won't be perfect in the same in the way that we won't have an accident that's not sin related But then sin he then asks this hypothetical question Which sin specifically do you believe that jesus's blood can't free from and again He doesn't mean that jesus's blood washes you from that sin. He means that you will stop doing it. That's what he means So the answer then folks based on those two answers there How many sins does it take to lose your salvation? Well, the answer is what in the way that he's interpreting free from sin There's your answer So he's tried to deflect it onto one's uh osas people to try and answer it for him Indirectly. Well, it's not my job to answer it for he's your doctrine You answer it and he doesn't make a point on his channel of saying that he's a sinless perfectionist But he kind of says it without really saying it essentially We you know quote in verses like we have to be perfect as heavenly father is perfect and so on So he says he's kind of hinting at being a sinless perfectionist without actually saying that he is But that's another matter for another day. And so to compare losing your salvation, which is really an on off switch With the chastisement of believers Shows that he does not understand the chastisement of believers. He chooses not to accept it because it answers the question of How how can you get around the issue of sin with one saved always saved? Aren't you just making excuses to sin? But he constantly tries to straw man osas as that we say it's okay to go out and sin In fact, I'll show you this article of him saying this So is he published this article on the youtube community thing eternal security proponents lay down your weapons And the premise of it is that he thinks we're fighting this pointless battle by standing for one saved always saved And we're wasting our effort fighting for the wrong kingdom and this that and the other And then he goes on to say How how can you how can I say such a thing? Okay, hypothetically it's because you have to understand you who believe in osas Are fighting for in the first place you are fighting for The freedom to sin that's exactly what it boils down to And you will you will not likely admit it or you'll get angry at him for saying it and try to defend yourselves Blah blah blah, but that's exactly what you're fighting for He can't ever quote as of saying hey, let's go out and sin. But that's what he seems to think we're fighting for And again just to further prove that he just does not get this at all He tries to straw man it by equating it with the lie that the devil told Eve in the garden in Genesis 3 4 you shall not surely die And then he goes on to say that when you stand before Jesus is going to cut you up for teaching people that even if they sinned They would still make it to heaven Well, let's go over a few things as to why this is so stupid. Okay First of all when the snake told Eve you shall not surely die Okay, and then Adam and Eve sinned and sin entered into the world They didn't lose salvation quote unquote Because they were not saved, right? They were just simply not condemned because sin hadn't entered into the world They weren't saved because what were they saved from what consequence would would have befell them If they hadn't been saved from the consequence when there was no sin there was no consequence So it doesn't make sense to call them saved when you actually understand the meaning of what that word means Now Adam and Eve before the fall Would be more akin to Like a baby a young child that doesn't know anything yet Well, they're not saved. They haven't believed on the Lord Jesus Christ that thou shalt be saved But they haven't exactly done any sin to have broken the law either So if they died in utero or died at birth Well, we assume they go to heaven because what sin can be accounted for them But they're not saved because they're not delivered from some sort of consequence that would have fallen upon them Because they haven't sinned That's what that actually means It doesn't mean that you can lose your salvation because they weren't saved in the conventional sense of the word It doesn't make any sense and again, he chooses not to understand this stuff Then he comes up with this bit here He will cut you into pieces as any righteous king would for committing treason against him by telling God's children They can break God's laws and not die And again, it's straw manning us as going around saying this when we're not okay Now guess what if you break God's law You can die physically Okay, that's a good enough reason in itself to stop sinning but Nobody's going around saying hey, let's break all of God's laws because we can I don't know anybody who says this now I'm sure there are some hypergrace folk that maybe do say that But most Christians do not go around saying hey, it's okay to send Let's see how much we can get away with now They try and move the goalpost with sin or they'll try and put things in a category of not sin when it is I get that But no christian is saying Hey, let's see how many laws we can break or at least not not that any that I know of And actually let me show you out of Jesus's own mouth that technically speaking There will be some people that break the commandments and teach other people to do so and yet still technically Make it into the kingdom of heaven because you you can have all this man-made logic About how well you're saying that people can sin and still make it heaven But at the end of the day does your man-made logic really matter or just the words of Jesus actually matter So let's go to the words of Jesus himself So this is four verses from matthew chapter five. This is when Jesus is giving the sermon on the mount Now look carefully at the color coding that I've used and look carefully at the words that Jesus is saying here So he says from verse 17 think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets I am not come to destroy but to fulfill For verily I say unto you till heaven and earth pass one jot or one tittle shall in no wise Pass from the law till all be fulfilled Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments and shall teach men so He shall be called the least In the kingdom of heaven But whosoever shall do and teach them at the same shall be called Great in the kingdom of heaven For I say unto you that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees You shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven So I'm just going to give you just a few seconds Have a look at that. Look carefully at the words in blue Look at the difference between those who broke the commandments and taught others. So and the Pharisees And then look at the difference between those who broke the commandments and those who did the commandments And just look at the differences in blue. So just hold that thought for a second Okay, now I'm going to show you this in diagram form So then what have we read? Well, we've got some sort of line somewhere of let's just call this righteousness on the righteousnessometer Okay, your righteousness has got to exceed the line So your righteousness has got to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees To enter into the kingdom of heaven and you may be called least in the kingdom of heaven Or you may be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Sorry my camera is obstructing it up there Or if your righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven You are excluded from the kingdom of heaven. Okay So then the righteousness of the Pharisees, they did not have the righteousness to enter into the kingdom of heaven They are excluded from the kingdom But Jesus said those who shall break my commandments and teach others to do so shall be called least In the kingdom of heaven. Okay, they're in the kingdom Whereas those who did Jesus's commandments and taught others to do so, they shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven There's the difference. That means that according to this passage There are people who broke Jesus's commandments and taught others to do so yet you'll never believe this They exceeded the righteousness of the Pharisees So you can look at this and you can say well, you're just making an excuse for people to break Jesus's commandments and make it into heaven It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter what it sounds like. It doesn't matter what your rebuttal is That's what Jesus said. So unless you think that Jesus is a crazy person that can't get his own doctrine right That's the words of Christ himself end of debate deal with it But we're not going to end it there folks because I've got so much more to cover And we'll walk two three hours into this video and I'm barely getting started here But it's a case closed right there folks. I could leave it there really, but we've got so much more to cover So let's just let's just explore a little bit more this issue of believers who sin And making it into heaven because if you can just grasp for one miserable day the chastisement of believers This will all make perfect sense But just just before we do that just one last little bit to look at this stupid article He wrote he says just like the Pharisees killed Jesus and attacked the apostles and thought they were completely justified You know, he's trying to put us in like that same camp like sorry What conditional security person has ever been killed by somebody who believes in osas? You know, it was the catholics who were going out killing everybody hundreds of years ago And they believe that you can lose your salvation But you know what though folks those of us who believe in faith alone and one saved always saved No, we don't think we're completely justified in in the things that we do Now he thinks he's justified by the things that he does He thinks that because he obeys Jesus commandments and he's got all these works of obedience. He's going to make it into heaven I'm not based on that premise folks. My righteousness is justified by faith without works because that's what roman says But again, it's all coming. So This is completely stupid. He tries to compare his to the Pharisees and it's like he just has no grasp of irony whatsoever So, uh, yeah, let's let's I'm going to take you to a video where he poses this challenge And it's about sinners who make it into heaven So we're revisiting this video everyone who lost their salvation in the nt And we looked at this earlier with the issue of Simon the sorcerer And I think I'm going to come back to this video later because There's so many things wrong with the way that he uses some verses to justify this Like verses that aren't even addressed to individuals, but that's everyone who lost their salvation So, uh, I'm not going to play a clip this time, but he he about 40 seconds 46 seconds in he, uh, says He poses this challenge What I'd like to do is before we get started flip the tables on them Osas folk and I would like to ask them if they could name one single instance of the bible Where somebody continued in willful unrepentance in all the way to their death and never repented and they went to heaven Now I should just point out to you that On several times throughout his videos his poster challenges like this like this is my challenge to osas This is my challenge to you guys to answer this, but the bottom line is folks when he asks these things or makes these challenges He's not interested in the answer. He's not interested one bit. He has not got ears to hear the answer It's just it's just vain jangling. It's just him making a noise trying to sound smart and act like he's gotcha and won the game When really you can answer it and he's still not interested because he's just going to find a way around the answer Or he's going to beg the question. I'm going to show you that because I actually address this challenge From my personal channel before I set up this channel and I actually gave four examples Okay, now some of a couple of the examples. Yeah, maybe a bit iffy, but uh, I'm going to show you some of this stuff So the four I've gave four examples. I gave the example of abraham I gave the example of soul I gave the example of samson And I gave the example of the thief on the cross. Okay. Now you can sort of see my Comments there where I try to explain myself And maybe some of them I didn't explain it very well or maybe I made a couple of like minor errors Like for example, I said that abraham In the final years of his life. I had multiple wives will actually Genesis 25 only really explains that he had concubines because Sarah had died so it was okay for him to take another wife So I made a bit of a mistake about saying that multiple wives bit there But what I'm going to do is I'm going to take you to the bible itself To explain basically what I've already explained In this comment, but you know, I've shown you what the video is you can go find the comment if you want my original comment And then I'm going to show you his reply where he kind of weasel out of it and just tries to throw it away basically So let's look at the first example of abraham So I think it's most obvious To people that abraham of all the characters in the bible. We know that abraham made it to heaven We've got passages like luke that say the lord god of abraham. He's not the god of the dead But of the living you've got the story in luke 16 where it talks about the beggar going to Abraham's bosom which is synonymous with heaven. So I don't think any christian would argue that abraham didn't make it to heaven well If you look at the last thing that happened to him in genesis chapter 25 before he died One of the last things that it says about him is Onto the sons of the concubines which abraham had so we can see here that abraham had concubines He had children with women that he wasn't married to okay. Well, that's adultery And that's one of the last things it and then two verses later He dies. So this is one of the last things we hear about him And we also know obviously even among his wives he had to because he had sarah and he had hegel Now some people might come up with this argument Well, maybe abraham didn't know it was a sin or maybe it wasn't told to abraham that it was sinful Well, this is a bit of a cop-out answer because if you go to matthew 19 Jesus is talking to the Pharisees about they ask him a question about adultery and divorce Is it okay for a man to divorce his wife? Now Jesus doesn't point to the law of moses. He actually points to genesis too long before abraham And he establishes this principle that goes all the way back to genesis that the two shall become one flesh Now obviously jesus is not Discussing the issue of concubines specifically But he does argue that even to divorce is adultery. Okay So he's still talking about adultery and abraham committed adultery Well jesus references the beginning of creation genesis to the two shall be one flesh doesn't say the four shall be one flesh Or the three with the one shall be one flesh. It's the two shall be one flesh That's an example from genesis. That's what jesus said So that's really pretty conclusive that it must have been adult adultery for abraham to do that And the thing is even without the law of moses. Well able still knew to give sacrifices abraham still knew that the city of sodom was wicked even without the the law of moses So the thing is people still knew stuff. Okay folks now just a pre-warner. I did make a couple of Mistakes in my Comment because I'm useless at typing comments. So I said it was matthew 12. It's actually matthew 19 But I pointed all this out abraham had concubines It's demonstrated. We've got proof from the bible that he had concubines Okay, we've got proof from the bible that jesus said it's the two shall be one flesh Adultery goes all the way back to the beginning of creation. That's what jesus said So I point all of that out and then further down in my comment I then also Explain this important concept that people like him just choose not to grasp and it's the chastisement of believers Now abraham made it to heaven despite committing adultery But what did happen to abraham as a result of his adultery? Well, if you remember the story of hegar now Again, this is another one of my mistake. I put hag out there. It's hegar but Hegar had to leave there was all that jealousy between her and sarah. So hegar had to leave for her safety She took her son with him. So abraham couldn't see his own son anymore ish male. Okay So is that something that you want to happen to your life? Do you want your son to disappear and never see him again? Well, there's an example of how abraham suffered for his adultery without going to hell So I've pointed all this stuff out to him folks. Okay, bear in mind He set this challenge show me in the bible where somebody sinned and still made it to heaven Without repenting obviously Pointed that out to him and this is his answer now. There's obviously i'm going to address the other characters as well But he's saying abraham is the only one that even closely meets the qualification with all the people I was talking about But let look just look at this moronic reply here However, where does it say that he didn't repent? Well, my point exactly folks. It doesn't say that he repented now If it's so important that we repent of all of our sins before we make it to heaven Wouldn't it be important that the bible would have pointed that out? It doesn't point it out now. I can show you my bible that I've got evidence that abraham had concubines I've got evidence from the bible that jesus said all the way back to genesis two that the two shall be one flesh Not the four or the five or the six shall be one flesh I've got evidence folks from the bible to prove what i'm saying here He's got no evidence that abraham repented But then he throws this argument. Well, where does it say he didn't repent? And this is an example of begging the question He's asked where did somebody sin and not repent and still made it to heaven you show him an example Oh, well, it doesn't say he didn't repent. So we must have repented. Well, no, you prove that he repented You haven't got any so that's a valid answer to his stupid challenge But you see he's begging the question folks because he's not interested in the answer And this is just going to come about with all the other examples that i'm going to bring up by the way It then goes on to say also comma Abraham had great troubles that arose from his child with a well the way that he's wording that sentence Makes it sound like it's a surprise like I failed to point that out or hadn't even noticed that But I did point that out folks. I already mentioned that in my original comment It was the precise point that i'm trying to get across to this Person that people sin and if they don't repent but they still make it to heaven They do suffer on this earth That's that the whole premise of my comment that I made originally and it again He just chooses not to grasp this or where does it say you know also this he had great trouble Yes, I've already pointed that out to you, but then he has the goal to say in this comment That I either didn't listen or didn't care Well, that's a bit ironic coming from him because he's replied to a comment without even reading it properly And it's just more of this hypocrisy Where he applies a different standard to it to himself That he applies to osas and then goes around telling everybody how we all need to be sinless and perfect to make it into heaven Well, if he falls short of his own standard, it's bizarre And furthermore also where does it say specifically that god told him during his lifetime that it was a sin? It doesn't matter Jesus said the two shall be one flesh genesis two So that's again stupid and a question because he didn't read my comment properly obviously Talking try trying to reason with this guy because he's like show me this in the bible I challenge you once that well, we're trying to show you we're trying to explain it to you But all we get is That's all we get from him that that's all we get you know like when you're a kid put put your things in your Is it's just it's ridiculous So he's going to do that with the other examples, but let me show you one of the other examples next So another example I gave was sol because sol is sometimes the poster child for characters in the bible who lost their salvation Well, you know, I think it's no accident that the bible tells us some very critical details with stuff like this So there's the story of samson. I'm just going to jump straight to uh one samuel 28 Okay, and what happens in this story? This is where sol asks the witch of endo To bring up samuel's spirit now with that in mind because obviously that that is next sort of talking to the dead Um, some would question whether it really was samuel. It could have been some demonic spirit talking Well, it's the narrator that says it's samuel And earlier in the story when it when it's in verse nine Uh, this is bearing in mind sol is disguised himself And the woman said on to him, you know that sol is going so she doesn't know it's sol at first okay But then uh as as as samuel's spirit is summoned She cries with a loud voice and the woman speaks to sol saying, why have you to see me for you also? So she obviously recognizes then that this is sol After it. So so I'm inclined to believe that this is a legitimate. This is samuel legitimately Also, uh, samuel asks the question. Uh, why have you disquieted me? That's there in verse 15. So what you know, why have you done this to me? Why why have you disquieted my spirit? So I don't think you'd be asking that question if it was really a demonic spirit So then samuel Pronounces judgment on sol and bearing in mind that samuel had already died This is his spirit coming back from the dead to speak to sol in this story And he's pronouncing that sol is going to die the next day with his sons Out in the battlefield and we know from the story that that's what happened sol fell on his own sort He died by suicide. Okay, but look what samuel says here. Look at the language that he uses And again, I'm it's no accident that the bible gives us these details because god knew that we pay having these sorts of arguments tomorrow shall you and your sons be with me So where was samuel? Was he in heaven or was he in hell? You be the judge of that folks because samuel was a prophet of god He was a good man. So you and your son shall be with me Well, that's a really ridiculous statement if they're not going to be with him in heaven unless you think samuel was in hell So again further proof that that's all sinned And technically still made it to heaven bearing in mind he died falling on his own sword now Is that how you want to end up folks? Just think about that So again, I point that all out in my original comment. Okay. I addressed all of that What does he reply? So let's see if I can find sol here king sol nowhere in the entire bible does it say he went to heaven Yes, but I did point that out about tomorrow you and your son shall be with me But then he doesn't even address that he just does not address it at all and then in the same Comment same sentence you either didn't listen or you didn't care Well, why don't you address the point that I raised about you and your sons be with me? Why don't you answer that point in your comment? But you say because his comment in all of this he can just not answer it and nobody's going to notice You know, they're just going to miss the fact that he's he's dodged that that point Or he just didn't read my comment again So there's king sol for you you and your son shall be with me will wear samuel Because he wasn't on earth other than his spirit appearing on the earth And he was going back into the earth again or back wherever his spirit came from So unless you think that a prophet of god ended up in hell that statement makes no sense And you're making samuel sound like a crazy person unless logically sol went to heaven to be with samuel Now the next example I gave was samson Now of these four examples samson is probably the least clear example. Okay, so i'm going to have to argue more from a logical argument rather than one of absolute proof So samson isn't isn't really absolute proof, but I'll show you my case for for samson anyway, so I'm not going to go through all of samson's life because that you know, there'd just be too much to go through But we know that he committed adultery. We know that he ate unclean food, which he shouldn't have done as an israelite But he especially shouldn't have done as someone who was taking the nazarite vow And and he there was a lot of tit for tat between him and the philistines And sometimes you wonder was he justified always in killing the philistines sometimes and there was a lot of that stuff going on Well samson did again suffer in his life. He was blinded He lost his strength and he was taken by the philistines. He had his crops and fields burned So samson suffered in this life for his sins Now the very last thing that we read about samson as he as he then pulls in the pillars And prays to god here and this is the point where samson dies Look at what samson's prayer is. This is what we have documented that samson said to god So in judges 16 verse 28 says samson called unto the lord and said Oh lord god, remember me. I pray you and strengthen me. I pray you only this once Oh god that I may be at once avenged of the philistines for my two eyes So of all the sins that have gotten samson into this situation in the first place, it's kind of his own fault really that is in this situation What does he say to the lord father forgive me? I've lost my salvation. Please. I repent. Please give it back Oh, that's not what he prays Or even just father forgive me. I have sinned not what he prays or even Lord may help me to do this now so I can do it for your glory Again, not what he says He prays for his own revenge Now mysteriously god answers that pray but that but that's what he prays for No evidence that is repented of all of his sins No evidence that is repented of everything that got him in this mess He doesn't say sorry to god He doesn't ask for his salvation back and again if you can lose your salvation That would seem like a pretty important thing to be asking for wouldn't it folks We don't have that documented about samson He just prays that oh, let me get my own back For my two eyes on these guys even though he got himself into that situation in the first place Now in again, he doesn't say that samson made it to heaven So some people would argue that he perhaps lost his salvation Again, people always embellish this story here to make it sound like he got it back But as I've just shown it doesn't say that he repented it doesn't say ask for his salvation back We've got nothing of that kind In Hebrews 11 So Hebrews 11 is the kind of what we sometimes call the hall of faith And this is where the writer of Hebrews commends lots of different bible characters For their faith and then he goes on to say And what more shall I say for time would fail me to tell you if this guy this guy this guy and and he mentions Sorry, I don't know why I've highlighted Samuel. I meant to highlight samson again. This is me getting confused So he mentioned samson and he's he's praising samson's faith there. Okay now Epucion did answer this Um, and I'll hear his answer on this one probably the the least stupid answer of all the ones that he addressed So it's not stated and it's a vague example. I get that I'm arguing from logic rather than absolute proof fair enough God gave him back at his strength at the end, but it's not stated either way at the end fine But then he goes on to say although he is listed in the hall of faith as demonstrating great faith But it doesn't go on to say that he's in heaven or hell. Well, well, that's fine But the thing is if you actually read the story of samson It's not really a story of somebody who was that faithful now. Yes. He had supernatural strength But he didn't even earn that strength really He just followed the nazarite vow and god gave him his supernatural strength as long as he didn't cut his hair And he did break the nazarite vow by eating the carcass of a lion or trying to remember the story But it was his hair that kept his strength So it's only because he had faith in god that that promise would be fulfilled that he could even do that stuff But his life it's not the life of a faithful person really So if you're going to commend his faith, well, there's not really a great deal to talk about and yet we see him commended in the hall of faith Now if he didn't make it to heaven Logically speaking, wouldn't that be a bad example of faith? Now again, I'm going to leave that with you. That's a logical answer I can't absolutely prove that samson made it to heaven. So it's not my strongest point But it doesn't sound like his faith is really that good of an example if he's lost his salvation when that's really the most important thing But I'll leave that with you folks So the last example that I gave was the thief on the cross. Okay, so this is uh documented in luke chapter 22 39 to 43 So, uh, there's the story leading up to it. So, uh, jesus is being crucified Uh, the crowd are mocking him and then it says in verse 39 that one of the Malefactors which were hanged railed on him saying if you be the christ save yourself and us But the other answered Rebuked him saying do you not fear god seeing that you are in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly for we receive the due reward of our deeds But this man has done nothing amiss And he said on to jesus lord remember me when you come into the kingdom And jesus said on to him very very lay I say on to you today. Shall you be with me in paradise? So we see here that jesus, uh, says that the thief on the cross Will be in in paradise. Okay So most christians would agree that that's um, just another way of saying Heaven it sounds like a nice place wherever it is. That's quite a positive word for something that doesn't mean heaven If if he went to a worse place Now when he appealed when he appealed to jesus look what he says to jesus. He says lord Remember me When you come into your kingdom now It doesn't say lord i repent of being a thief lord. I'm so sorry. Please forgive me lord Please give me my salvation back. He doesn't he doesn't say anything of that kind There's no evidence that he's apologized or remorseful About being a thief, but he has at least acknowledged What he's done because he recognizes that he's justly receiving this condemnation He's receiving the same condemnation as the christ Except that he deserves it whereas christ doesn't now in his reply He he does the same thing that he did with abraham He's begging the question again because he says the thief on the cross again this same stupid question Where does it say he didn't repent of his sin? Well the thing is it the point is that it doesn't say he did repent of his sin And if it's so important that we repent of all of our sins to be saved Then wouldn't the bible have pointed this out? It doesn't say that he turned from his sin. Okay And then he goes on say did he keep stealing after he came to faith in jesus? Well again a stupid question because he's about to die and he's still being condemned for his thievery If you look on uh look at the passage again Uh, do you not fear god seeing you are in the same condemnation and we indeed justly he is justified In this condemnation, but it's not an eternal condemnation It's an earthly condemnation But he's still facing this condemnation for being a thief Repenting of his sin doesn't get him out of this condemnation But he doesn't even apologize to the lord or ask for forgiveness specifically That's not there and that's what we do have documented of him saying We don't have him documented saying lord i repent forgive me. Let me into your kingdom. That's just not what he says So once again, I've got the evidence he hasn't But then he goes on to say was he still a sinner? No because we know that sinners don't make it to heaven So again, this is begging the question. He set a challenge show me where somebody sinned Continue to sin until the end and still made it to heaven. We've given him his example Oh, well, he must have repented because sinners don't make it to him. Well, again, there's no point setting the challenge then It's a stupid question. It's a stupid challenge You don't know That he turned from his sins because you've got no passage that says it. He just acknowledged his condemnation Now although it's a little bit off topic from the sin itself Is the issue of faith without works because people like him always lump Turning from sin As being the main definition of works when actually it's just it's just one of the things that works covers So i'm just going to include it here anyway, seeing as we're on the subject So in in his video the full gospel he's going to talk about how the thief on the cross Arguably has at least some works to show for his faith before he dies The thief on the cross he had faith Even though I mean you could say he still had works. He still rebuked the other the other person on the cross Okay And he's still proclaimed and tried to witness and proclaim The name of jesus But nonetheless, okay He he was saved all all he did he didn't continue on the path because he only had Uh, you know, maybe hours to live So amen, he was saved So he's trying to argue that the thief on the cross had something to show for his faith at least but Again, there's nothing in the passage that he really said and it works now when he's kind of embellished What the thief actually did he's acting like the thief was preaching jesus in a way But he wasn't all he all he just said was he just rebuked the other guy saying do you not fear god? You're in the same condemnation while you're mocking it. That's really all he said What actual work has he done? Because the thing is with this epision he constantly tries to make it out like there's all these christians who aren't going to make it to heaven Because they don't have any works to show for their faith But if just saying this one sentence here counts as work Well, there are millions of christians getting the butt out of bed every sunday morning going to church while everyone else is staying in bed So most christians have at least got more works than the thief on the cross It's just it's just ridiculous. And again, it's because he cannot separate works from faith at all He just cannot grasp that people are going to heaven Even when they've committed theft and they're going to die for that theft and they've got no works that we know of to show for their faith And they haven't even apologized for it yet. They make it to heaven He just cannot handle it at all. So he's constantly trying to Embellish what's actually going on here. It doesn't say that he had works He doesn't say that he turned from his sins and actually He says quite the opposite because he says that he we receive this due reward for our deeds So he's acknowledging that his condemnation is because of his works. So they have it folks So these are just all these different examples of people who sinned in the bible And still made it to heaven because most of the characters in the bible that we actually know a great deal about God's people all like people of god not even and many of them sinned You know the bible is full of god's own people sinning story after story. I mean we could go on forever really But you know, these are just some of the some of the clearest examples So just to close off on the thief of the cross. I'm just going to answer one more straw man from everyone who lost their salvation So this guy asks here sometimes I ask easy-believe people if the thief on the cross would have been a practicing thief If he had another three weeks to live I am yet to get an answer back Well, the thing is we don't know you see because I don't imagine my own stories in the bible But the thing is if he was Almost killed for his theft. He probably would have stopped thieving Okay, but no evidence that has anything to do with his salvation He would have stopped thieving because he probably doesn't want to be crucified if he would have been given that chance You know, it's sort of like the story of the woman caught in adultery in john chapter 8 You can't prove that that had anything to do with eternal life because jesus never mentioned eternal life And he never mentioned believing on him But he did say go in sin no more Bearing in mind she was almost owned to death for what she had just done. So if that's not a wake-up call What is so what you must understand is that when when when you have these kind of physical condemnations It's not always about salvation. Okay, sometimes it's a physical condemnation only And so this is going to tie everything up with how people sinned and still made it to heaven But we also understand the chastisement of believers So that no we're not advocating going around and doing a bunch of sin and getting away with it That's not what we're saying at all. It's epiucion straw man. It's his lie. It's his false accusation And so to wrap up folks on his ridiculous straw man It raises the question then if if these men in the bible sinned With no evidence that they ever repented and still made it to heaven Does that mean that I can sin get away with it and still go to heaven? Well, if you're contemplating that question Ask yourself these quick same questions as well. Okay Think about these Do you want to be made permanently blind like samson? Do you want your next child to die at birth like david? Do you want your son to leave you and likely never see him again like abraham? Do you want to be stoned to death like the woman in court adultery almost was or crucified like the thief? Do you want to be called least in the kingdom of heaven or great in the kingdom of heaven? Do you want to be disabled for many decades like the man at the pool of Bethesda? Do you want to be like soul and die by falling on your own sword? Or do you want to be like paul having already said I fought the good fight? And you know what paul used to be called soul by the grace of god he became paul And so even if you're making it to heaven folks Surely anyone who's not epiucion and actually has a brain in their head Can understand these perfectly legitimate and plausible reasons to want to turn from your sins Okay And this is the kind of thing that happened to people in the bible when they didn't turn from their sin You see we can open our bible and prove that these things happened We can't prove that these characters specifically lost their salvation. Okay. There's just no verse that says such thing It's just it's utter conjecture And it's just him planting his own false doctrine onto the stories And of course there is the issue to be addressed of all of all of the verses that you quote in that in that video about Losing salvation. I do intend to go through all of those Next one I'm going to do is I'm going to deal with the one saved always saved issue first Because I started by defending it rather than trying to prove his stuff wrong And then we can start to unravel what's wrong with the verses that he uses to say otherwise So we'll go on to one saved always saved next