 Good afternoon. Good evening friends. It is 5 o'clock and I am going to call the board of finance to order. For better or worse rose on vacation and you are stuck with me tonight. Hopefully that is for better. Everyone knows they're slightly more efficient when I run them. Oh, if you are listening. We are expecting I think councillor Jang. But since we do have a quorum, and I have a reputation to uphold, we will forge ahead. The first item on the agenda is the agenda. Is there a motion. So, and you councillor McGee is there a second. Councillor Barlow all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed. And the motion carries unanimously. The second item on the agenda is public forum. Are there any members of the public wishing to speak. And councillor Jen has joined us excellent. I saw a hand, but I think I maybe didn't. I'm doing a lot of things here at once I'm just going to give it one more minute because I'm promoting panelists and yes, I knew that I missed you there for a second Sharon. I am allowing you to speak and sorry for the mix up. I'm not sure the floor is yours. Thank you you made me or somebody said your idea. By accident, sorry. I wanted to comment that I love the furry member of the Board of Finance that was there and praying with counselor with President Paul, really cute anyways. I wanted to speak to two items tonight. The first one has to do with the airport and their phase three of the installation, which is certainly important. I, I don't know because you know I'm not on the council anymore I just wondered what if we were monitoring the how phase one and two had gone with the units that had been insulated and and I just wanted to know that and I wondered if you got a report and if you did if someone can refer me to it I'll read it. But my question is like what's the life expectancy of the insulation and once it's installed I read the the information provided but once it's installed. I mean, is there a monitoring system to show first of all that it was installed correctly, and that it's working. None of that seemed to be there that I could find when I was looking at it. The other piece is, you know, this was, you know, we all know why we're doing this and I don't need to be redundant, but I didn't know how many of those homes remained. If they became owner occupied again, or what happened to them if they're all owned by the airport and are they rented, and are they rented to at affordable rates. These are questions that did come, and I began to think about. And I'm, I feel like you know it's a no win situation, I'll be honest, but I was hoping that there were some owner occupied. And that they weren't all rates that went to low income individuals because I feel like they would be forced to live potentially in less desirable places that had sound impacts inside maybe not but outside definitely. So I think that as we look at all of what we're doing. I'm hoping the airport is able to report that and maybe there's some commission discussion that would be relevant that I could just be pointed to and get answers to my questions. That's the first thing the second thing has to do with the parking revenue item on your action agenda. Once again, you know with with the way parking has changed with the elimination of spaces. I just didn't know how the expected revenue had been adjusted. And now with the loss of the lot at main and when new ski for a couple of years, I wasn't sure if that was going to be adjusted also for that last revenue. And, you know, I'm, I know the intent or they're stating that lot will come back for parking use and I certainly hope it does but I'm, I'm not sure that that will happen, I just don't know about that but I am concerned about the parking revenue and I know that that is something that Paul can recall that initially that that revenue was targeted specifically for various strict issues with like snow lights, etc. And then we, we, the city broaden the use. I feel that if the fund is narrowing, maybe it would be a good thing to look at how it's being utilized, and maybe the uses need to be narrowed if the fund is going to shrink. So I had several concerns about this and and just wanted to share those with the Board of Finance and with you Catherine since the mayor isn't there so thank you so much. Great. Thank you so much. And I will ask our representatives both from the airport and parking and traffic if they could address those issues when we get to them. Item number three is our consent agenda. Is there a motion on the consent agenda. Councilor McKee, is there a second on the consent agenda. Also, thank you. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. And any opposed. And the motion carries unanimously. Our first five items are airport items so come on up Larry. I did not have a chance to ask you this in advance. Are there any items that could be combined or does it make sense to just go through them one by one. They're all different. Yes. Great. Let's go through them one by one. And I would add to that Catherine is all of them are related to our grants this year so what you're going to be looking at is similar. That they're all FA grants were in preparation of FA grants for for next year so each one is related in that aspect but that, like Larry said they're they're very different projects. Well, let's you know that I like to do things as a slate if we can we cannot let's go through them one by one and so I see we have director Longo and also Dave Carmen here who would like to kick us up with a brief explanation about the first item. Great. Okay, this is an update to our payment management plan has done about every five years for air, airfield payment analysis. It determines the condition of the payment. And when it gets to a certain level we know we have to plan for rehabilitating it so this simply restates read, read does that every five years to make sure we're on top of our payments for safety and, you know, the condition of the airport and then, and there'll be one later for actually rehabilitation of runway 1533 we don't jump that a little bit and get done the evaluation of that part of our events we know where we are there because we need to move that project forward. Excellent. Any questions from the board. Are we ready for a motion. Yes. Motion is indicated on super great. Is there a second second. I'm sorry, Councillor Cobb. The Councilor McGee beat you to it. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed. And that motion carries unanimously. Let's move on to item 4.2. Who's going to speak to us on that great Larry keep going you're on a roll. This is a grant application for the planning design and permitting of a cargo apron edition. Next to the existing cargo apron where the big FedEx plane comes in. This will allow for another larger cargo jet to come in rather than the multiple other planes that bring in cargo. Really just as what we already have, but also minimizes the number of planes by having it all come in on a bigger aircraft. There is an interest in maybe another larger cargo company and bringing large plane like FedEx. Great. Any questions or are we ready for emotion. Exciting developments at the airport. Yes, Councilor McGee. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed. And the motion passes unanimously. All right. 4.3 runway 15.33 you talked about. All right. So this, the payment condition index, which we're going to review is at a level now within two years. We have to repay or repay this a rehabilitate million overlay. So this is, this is a design only contract that stand back to do the design for that, which puts us in position for next April to apply for a grant will have it bid to get receive the money to do the rehabilitation, which will not start until the spring of 2025 because it all has to be done at night. And the temperatures were a lot by the time we get to grant late summer next year. The nighttime temperatures won't allow for paving so we'll be starting that in the beginning of 2025. Just design. Excellent. Any questions are we ready for a motion on this slide. Thank you, Councilor Barlow is there a second. I'll second. Thank you, President Paul. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed. And the motion carries unanimously. All right, let's talk about snow removal equipment. Okay. This project comes from the bipartisan infrastructure bill. It's a lot of money is allotting to the airport. It is determined that our current snow rule equipment storage and maintenance facility isn't large enough to house the required equipment for snow removal that we require by the FAA to keep the runways and taxiways clear. So we have to build a larger one. So we've gone through a preliminary study and determine that we're ready to go to design. And the final solution is for that one Mary study that we've done and the design and bidding. So again, once again, once it's finished, hopefully next year, I'm to design, we can bid this project apply for a grant and start construction as soon as possible for the new building. Great. The only thing I would add to that is, we had talked about this both in the two committee as well as other public forums. We also held some public meetings within the city of South Burlington to see exactly where the location of this building should be most appropriately cited. We've adjusted our site location based on those conversations and to address some of the comments that we received. So this is in the new location that we've talked at those various meetings. Thank you. That's important. Any questions from the board. We have a question. Yes, Councilor Jen. Yeah, thank you for that Nick and your presenter. And I was just wondering why you want to do it like an, you know, individual basis it seemed a lot of construction will need to happen at the airport, especially for smaller airplanes that are privately owned. You know, a comprehensive design or comprehensive approach around, you know, yes, there's no equipments to be stored completely very well but also the other future project why didn't you just look into it into bigger. This is from a comprehensive comprehensive plan. We are situated with regard to small aircraft and that there's there's conflict between our vehicles and airplanes so this, this site, we did a siting analysis, we'll put it in the best location away from that interaction. So it's, it's well thought out it's well planned as in the best suitable available location. Councilor John to your question I think there's there's multiple avenues here with general aviation with with the community and the neighbors adjacent to the airport. So as Larry just mentioned, through our master planning process, not just our equipment master planning but also the full airport master plan. This was the most appropriate siting, although we did adjust that based on public comment, and the best approach to house these large pieces of equipment. So each one of these elements is so that we are relocated or relocating that maintenance shop and snow removal equipment shop away from multiple other uses of the airport like general aviation. Thank you. Any other questions. Maybe I'm happy to make the motion as indicated civic. Excellent. Is there a second. Thank you counselor McGee all those in favor please say aye. Aye. And the motion carries unanimously. And we are on to item 4.5 the residential sound installation project. Right. First of all touch on counselor bushers or miss bushers questions with regard to phase one and phase two which was the pilot in phase two. The way the money was awarded we were supposed to start construction earlier this year with respect to the way that grants were received last year, and then not wanting to put people out on this, you know, during winter time and start in the spring of this year. And then we received the second grant earlier this year to do phase two. In the meantime, well that was going on the window supplier went bankrupt. Okay, so we had to find a new window supplier which we did which also required us to go back through this process called by American because it's a requirement of the FAA that's been finished. And in fact, we do have a new schedule they will start at the end of August early September and be done by Christmas time this year. Phase one and phase two, as far as the testing with respect to whether this works or not, there is the DNL or that that's what testing is done before and after to ensure that we meet the requirements and far as the long term. You know, the contract will just as any typical contractor has a year on any workmanship, and, you know, so that's typical I believe the other question she hadn't had with regard to renting but I'm not aware Nick if you can add anything I said that'll be great but because I know other than life of states that we're really leasing any property to homeowners. You know, I think you hit on all of them and just to sum it up, we have not started there has been no sound insulation installed in any properties as of yet. This phase three is the preparation of phase three and of course the preparation of the grant paperwork that needs to go in for next year's projects next year's construction. So as Larry mentioned the monitoring of both the first two phases the life expectancy in the monitoring of the installation to make sure it's correctly working is all part of the first two phases, which will be completed later this fall. We're right there with them every step of that way. We do have a contractor that is on site in Burlington working with these homeowners every single day. As far as the occupancy of any buildings purchased as part of the acquisition program we no longer own any properties as part of the noise acquisition program nor are we renting any out. There's one remaining life estate property that we don't technically own at this point in time. And that is actually being planned as a model house to install windows and doors so that homeowners, renters, anybody can go to this particular site and look at what could be installed in their properties or homes or rental units. And the final point that I'll make is we do have in-depth conversations at the airport commission every single month on this topic. We also update btvsound.com. We have additional information on there right now. We'll be updating it through all of these phases not just for the homeowners or future homeowners if eligible to go on and look for information, but also as progress supports as each one of these phases is completed. So this request however includes we did 52 additional homes. So it's about $5 million in improvements in sound insulation and ventilation, whatever it took for 52 homes. So once you receive that money we can start on those probably spring and next year so we don't put them out of the winter. Not really put it out if that's the wrong way to say it, but inconvenience during winter time. The other portion, the smaller portion of this task is for the next dollar amount to do all the outreach engineering design embedding of the next estimated 50 homes. Again, that's dependent on who takes it, you know, who takes it. We will be starting outreach soon for those next group of people. And on that note, we're mostly working within the city of South Burlington. However, that next phase that Larry just described. It looks like that we're around 50% of those approximately 50 homes or around 25 properties would be located in the city of when new ski. So we're now moving further away from the airport and in lower decibel levels or in that contour lines that are that are out there. Great. Very interesting. And I did not know about btvsound.com or it sounds like we can follow the progress so that's great. Yes, Councilor Barlow. Yeah, I just I just had just a follow up question is there a way in the application process or installation process to collect data on whether or not it's owner occupied or rental property. No, I think that's a fair question and I think we can do that because we are. We're doing much of that research anyways, not just to contact the property owner. And then we'll know immediately if it's by working with the property owner. We have a great agreement, a contract with every homeowner we do this. There's a great agreement. So we'll know. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Other questions. Yeah, it is just to seek a reminder as to how those 50 homes were identified and not like the whole approach must. How did you get to identifying these are the only homes that we've been working with. Good question how many homes we are going to get to. No, I think I think the question was, how do we select the next round of houses. The next 50 houses if I'm if I'm correct, Councilor. You might do it. Sure. So each property is is identified with a decibel level, really to the 100th of a decimal. So if it's a higher decibel level or average decibel level, then they would be higher on the priority list. And that's what the FAA requires that we go down that list specific to the decibel level. The offer is then given to the homeowner to participate on any one of the programs that we are now eligible for under the FAA's programs, which is not just sound insulation. It could also be to help somebody sell their house if they if they did want to relocate, it would also also be to acquire the house. If the owner would then move the airport through this program would sound insulate the house and then resell the house on the open market. So there's multiple options available to each one of these classified properties within a higher decibel and then we work our way to a lower decimal. Thank you. I do not want to take practice, participate in the program. And now, what if it's not a homeowner or let's say it's a school or a business, like, is it the same approach? Generally, yes, generally businesses or commercial facilities are not eligible for for sound insulation and it has to be very identical on an FAA required format. So, so commercial buildings, businesses would not be eligible places of worship as well as educational facilities are eligible. Those would also fall directly within that higher decibel working our way out. However, we did already sound insulate the Chamberlain Elementary School. That was one of our very first projects that we did. We completed that I believe that was last summer Larry or last summer. The school district in South Burlington and Chamberlain Elementary received new age facts so that they the windows could be remain closed and have that lower interior decibel levels. So yes, long answer to a question but yes, educational facilities and places of worship are eligible. Wonderful. Thank you. Any other questions. Are you ready for a motion. I move as indicated. Thank you, Counselor Jang and we have a second from Counselor McGee. Is there any. No, all in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed please say nay. And the motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Airport team, five important topics. All past and we will move on to item 4.6. Thank you, which is a reclassification of a CEDO position. And I think that I was like, I was like, I can see that we have Tim Clancy from HR and we also have Director Pine. Yes, thank you. Why don't you give us a very brief overview about this. I'm Brian Pine, Director of the city's Community and Economic Development Office and tonight, seeking your approval to reclassify a position that has no adverse impact in the city's general fund. The position is called Community Development Specialist to grant management. It's a regular service full time, not exempt union grade 17. And we're seeking to reclassify to senior Community Development Specialist grant management regular service full time, not exempt union grade 18. Basically the duties of this position expanded and got more demanding and more technical and that was in response to a monitoring visit just as I was moving into this position in June of 21. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development had done a thorough review and found that our compliance with the various requirements that HUD has in place for primarily the Community Development Block Grant, also the CDBG program that we had missed some important pieces of those requirements in terms of compliance. And while we were not in any way, you know, found to be doing anything wrong per se, but there was some pieces that just weren't being adequately handled. And they suggested that we kind of, you know, relook at how these responsibilities are handled. And so we did is added a layer of accountability and responsibility to this position. We gave it sole responsibility and the accountability is very direct. The assistant director for grants and finance is the person to move this position reports, and it is, we, we felt that the responsibility and the accountability and the compliance of the new position really required that we reclassified so we went to them through the HR process they go through the Willis system and the determination was that that reclassification was justified and therefore bring it forward to you today. Any questions on this item. Councilor McGee. Happy to make a motion. Excellent. Is there a second. Thank you, President Paul. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed. And the motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Right. Church Street Marketplace. Let's talk about snow. That's what we're all feeling here. I know our second snow item tonight. It's good to plan. We're already planning holidays. I'm sure that's really just what you want to be doing. Tell us about that. So every three years we put this cloud contract out to bid. And we're ready for it again this year. As you may know, the Church Street Marketplace funds themselves through fees paid by the abutting property owners. The bid that came in for this is slightly higher than last year but not but below the rate of inflation. So that felt good. And it's the same contractor we currently have. And we would like to move forward with this contract. Any questions. We're ready for a motion. President Paul. Thank you. I'll make the motion as recommended on Civic Clerk. Second. Okay. Councilor Jane, all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. And item 4.8, a security contract at the library. Director Denko is here. Why don't you give us a brief overview of this item please. Sure. It's, I think it's becoming pretty standard now and over the years we've had security now we have security full time and just need to move forward on this contract for this year. And happy to answer any questions but it's pretty straightforward I think. Any questions from the board. Yes. Is this significantly more than last year? No, a little bit more, but not significantly. Yeah, I would say the rates for chocolate thunder are up $2 an hour, but that is only maybe 3% or something. It's right in line with inflation. Thank you. Yes. Are we ready to make a motion? Motion is recommended. Thank you, Councillor Barlow. Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you, President Paul. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? And that passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you everyone. All right. Let's get to work on some additional patching. I'm sorry, why don't you talk to us about that. So what we're coming forward with today is an additional contract amendment for the CUI 23 paving contract. So that is just additional costs that we identified following a little bit of additional investigation prior to our contractor being on site. So as such, we want to kind of replenish that contingency that is being used to address that issue. We are also looking to following a little bit of a kind of a street assessment that have been completed by staff looking to add a little bit chunk of additional street patching throughout Burlington. They'll help accommodate serviceability for roadways as we, you know, have this season of winter ahead of us. So there's those two items. And then the third is addressing speed hump. So between those three items and then additional contingency for the contract. We're coming forward with a. About $360,000 $704 contract amendment. We're looking to get a group. Excellent. Very important work. And I see we have Laura online as well. Is there. Are there any other questions? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Excellent. Very important work. And I see we have Laura online as well. Is there, are there any questions? Are we ready for a motion? Yes. I have questions on the side of it as well. Yes. This is an item that it's been that I've been quite vocal about it in the past. And I was really happy to see a couple of streets on here on the enhanced patching list. I'm wondering if this is a pretty stable list at this point, or if there it still might change based on. Emergent sort of need. Generally speaking, this is what the list would be for the contractor this season. And speaking to the contractor schedule, they had said that they're trying to get all this work accomplished this season that's already contracted. So this would be in, and then if there is additional items that come up. We would have to look at those and address those potentially underneath a separate, either change order or separate contract, depending upon the scope and locations that work. Excellent. And the other thing I guess is, I know in the past sometimes schedule, so I have weather conditions or whatever. Is there what, what is the competence level on being able to achieve the, and the answer was this. I is with high confidence going to happen this season. Okay. So the contract that we have this year for the paving contract is ECI. Their bread and butter is milling and paving. So they had said to us and. Barring any, you know, subcontractor need for concrete work. They can confidently give this work. Address this. Great. Thank you. Any other questions. We ready for a motion. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Barlow. Is there a second? Thank you, Councillor Chang. All those in favor of please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed. And the motion carries unanimously. All right, let's talk to you out there. Parkway. So this item is looking to do a contract. This is our design engineering consultant for the project. We have came through with their amendment 17 prior to going forward with the split initial and final construction plans as part of that. Originally a council approved amendments that had provided services up through completion of the bid package for the final construction contract. As we've progressed in this project and the accelerated schedule, there has been a number of items that have required additional task kind of staffing time. And really between, there is a list, very long list of items listed in the memo that just kind of shows the kind of tasks that have kind of taken their time that we are looking to get this next amendment so that we can complete the task that they are already contracted to do for us. There's just been change orders and design changes that have come up due to just field identified components. So this amendment 18 allows us to continue their work and allows us to get through this initial construction contract if you have any questions. Excellent, any questions? Yes, comes over. More of a comment than a question. According to the two committee out on a tour of the work that's been done on the Champlain Parkway and it was impressive that that much work had been done not being in the south end as much as I used to be. I was really surprised at how fast that's coming together. It's exciting. Yeah, thank you. To you and your team, there's a lot going on. And it's a lot of progress. Thank the neighbors for putting up with us until we get this through. Yes, thank you neighbors. Any other questions or comments? All right, are we ready for a motion? Yes, comes over to you. Happy to make the motion, Mr. Director, Senator Clerk. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Okay, thank you, President Paul. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? And that passes unanimously. Thank you. Okay, now we have got a couple of parking and traffic items. Item 4.11 is a joint CT and parking and traffic item. So I will start talking about that. This is, you may recall, there was an item about a year ago where we asked for a revenue anticipation note for $2.5 million and it's already been a year. And this item is also a bit tied to another parking and traffic item that you approved a month ago at our last meeting, maybe $750,000 for garage repair. So these are sort of two separate pieces of credit that the parking and traffic team has. And as you'll note from the memo, I am the CT team and parking and traffic are working closely together to evaluate what our options are for combining those needs as well as any others into a longer term form of debt. We're not exactly sure how long that will be, but something longer than five years. Because now that parking revenues are starting to stabilize, we will have more money to pay that down. This is really sort of an interim next step because that $2.5 million ran comes due on September 14th and the parking and traffic fund does not have $2.5 million. So we have secured a good rate. We are securing an instrument that does not have a prepayment penalty. So that will provide us the most flexibility as we work through these challenges. And the parking and traffic fund does have the interest in the FY24 budget. Jeff, did I miss anything? I think that's it. I think it's the low. So it's a little more context. This is really a COVID driven thing because we had a two-ish million dollar debt instrument prior to COVID, but during COVID we burned through our fund balance, which meant we didn't have our coverage ratio, which meant they called low. So we were forced into this situation as a stock gap measure. We knew it in the beginning, but we didn't know how we're going to get out of it. And the other context, it's really important is revenues are increasing. We are not seeing that meteoric increases, but we are seeing steady recovery and have full faith that we'll be back to where we were five, six years ago as far as you're having this going on. Hopefully better, we get that downtime garage full and we'll be cracking. Excellent. Questions? Are you ready for? Yes. Oh, you have to go for Jackie. Thank you. The thing that I could not find on the memo is the ARPA funding that the division received during COVID. Yes. Yes. I could not read it anywhere in here. And also how did that upset any of these loans or debts? Yes. ARPA contributed $1 million. And if we had not, then we would probably have a $3.5 million ran that was due. So there was $1 million of ARPA revenue replacement fund that was issued to parking and traffic. And that was put to immediate good use. I basically covered operations. So we were very, very much in the whole multiple lanes dollars and operating lines. And that ARPA was our bridge to get out on just a pure operational level. Paying the people, keep them in their heads. Okay. Thank you. Yes, Councilor Barlow. I just wanted to go back to a point that Councilor Bush had brought up about how there will be some construction and some unavailability of some current parking revenue. And I'm just wondering if that's built into the reductions and modeling. Yes. I can get into that. So there's a little bit of weeds there. I don't want, we can do that low to separate. We're good with this. I can, I can get into that. So yes. It's very important to understand how my, I want to get too deep in the weeds and I try to keep as high as I can. It's very important to understand how my division works. I'm not a singular division. I actually have three different budgets. I have a general fund budget, which is parking services. I have the traffic group, which is the eaters, the signs and the lines and signals. That's an independent group. And then I have 265, which is parking facilities. And what ex-Councilor Bush, I prefer that to this Bush, ex-Councilor Bush. What she was alluding to is five or six years ago, the landscape changed dramatically. The traffic group, signs, lines and signals used to be blended in with the garages and the street lines. Now they're completely separate, completely independent. So everything that happens in the lots and the garages stays there. It's fully fee funded, no money can come out. Traffic is slightly different. There's a little slot where you can push money out as long as you're supporting traffic work. But that's different. So what we're talking about here is the main street lot in the scheme is that lots being consumed by the proposed being consumed by the main street construction, which frankly I'm very happy about because that means they're gonna tear up a lot and they're gonna have to put it back in kind now. But I also need that revenue. And I think that's what she was referring to. So we're actually working with legal to understand how this project works with TIF and how the costs related to rebuilding the parking lot are related to the opportunity cost, the lost revenue that we're going to experience over the two years, I think it is of construction. Because if we were to, if a private company was in the company to do this, we would absolutely charge them the comfort fee and they would pay us for full occupancy for every parking spot because that's how it works on the street. So along the short of it is we fully expect to be fully reimbursed for the cost of the parking minus the cost of the improvements that they're bringing because they're gonna tear it up. So for me, I have a slightly lower revenue cost, but if you've been in that parking lot recently, clearly it needs to be rebuilt. So I have a cost coming no matter what. And if Laura and her team can design a project and implement and execute it and I welcome it. So it's a tricky balance and there are still some unknown unresolved issues around TIF and some definitions in TIF that make them complicated. So we're not the end of the game then, but that's how I'm hoping and expecting this whole time. So I think that hit her questions. And as far as she mentioned something about being very narrow, lots and garages are very narrow. There it's where the money stays. So very close by day every day. Any other questions? Are we ready for a motion? I'm gonna make the motion as recommended. Super. We'll give you notes or barlows. They're second. Yeah, I'll second that. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Please say nay. And that motion passes unanimously. Okay, why don't you tell us about the security contract? First, I'd like to say thanks to the CTMPAS for pulling together a bridge for me. Give me a little bit of the pressure off. I can be strategic about getting our financing straight. So anyway, so what I'm here to talk tonight about is the FY24 security contract for the parking garages. So the reason we have to come to you tonight is because we budgeted $180,000 in the FY24 budget. And we were budgeting and we were bidding off at the same time and the cost came in at $208,000 for ostensibly the same basic scope of work. So we experienced a rate hike over that time period and didn't accommodate in the budget. So what we're asking for is to increase the line items for security from basically hanging in $180,000 to $280,000 per hour. And that can be, that's okay, it can be accomplished because the revenue expectation, we don't have to increase our revenue lines because the revenue line already had $20,000 of excess revenue and this is $100,000. So we're still at that $20,000 today. So we didn't increase the revenue line item. Although we are very much hoping that revenue line. I think that's the short story. Any questions on that? Yes, President Powell. I have a question, but I'm not sure that it's directly related and it's just because we're talking about cameras. Catherine there, so we approved back in September of last year, I think it was the fairly significant expenditure of cameras. And I've been asked a number of times, what is the current status of the implementation of those cameras? So again, I apologize, it's not directly related to this, but just wanted to, as I say, I've had a number of people have asked me, do you know what the status of that is in terms of implementing those cameras? I don't, but I can get you that information. I believe Kim Bleakley and Scott Barker are overseeing that and I know a lot of work has been done, but I don't know what has been accomplished. So I will ask them to send you a message tomorrow with that information. Okay, no worries. That was all I had and thanks for being here to talk about this agenda item. Thanks. Can I jump in with a related question? Yes, go ahead, Councillor Grant. So similar to what Councillor Pollack just mentioned, I also get a lot of those same questions and I've had some meetings with some local businesses who have been told that they have had to take pictures of certain things that they don't feel comfortable doing so. So I was a question that I kind of had pending was where are the active cameras? Located because if a business is having a particular issue with community safety in their area, if there are city cameras that are active that can catch something and a business owner doesn't have to put themself in any type of danger in order to try to get photos, I think that information would be helpful. So if you could tap that on with the other request that would be appreciated. Thank you. Yes, absolutely. Yes. I had a question about the security contracts. This is the second one that's been brought forward tonight. Earlier we heard about a library security contract that Chocolate Thunder is providing. There's two different vendors for this and it's made me wonder if they are the rates that the various security companies that provide service for the city, are they similar? Are they different? And is there a way we can sort of combine these in a way to get the best value for the city? I mean, I understand we can't do it for this contract but the fact that you had stated that it came in so much more whereas library director was sort of setting us a little bit more and so I'm just wondering about it. I'm gonna start with that one, Jeff. Last year at this time, Jeff had a great idea and came to me and said, let's do a citywide security contract for FY24 to save money and increase efficiencies. But when we looked and because you're gonna get a third one to approve, the one for City Hall also with Chocolate Thunder. But when we looked at the differences they're all security contracts but they're actually different needs and because of the frankly, lack of availability with security providers it became obvious and having those discussions it was kind of risky to put the services up for bid because we weren't sure we were going to be able to wind up with any security provider if we couldn't provide the assurances of a continued contract for each of those areas. So I'm certainly not saying no, but for this year the need to continue to have security trumped all of those sort of logistical issues. So you should know it was extensively talked about we had a series of meetings and then rejected that. That was before we got the increase in price. So I think it is something we would look at again for next year. It is important to note also though that Green Mountain Concert Service rate was lower than Chocolate Thunder and they're now up at Chocolate Thunder's rate level. So they're very competitive. Yes. And we just got a really good deal before. Securitas is a national company and they came in right at Green Mountain. So I think everybody's being cost competitive right now. Now that I had conversations with security companies and they pretty much said straight up if you make that contract that big, I don't know if we'll bid on it. Yeah. It's just too big, too much risk, too hard to... Finding a staffing is very challenging for these companies. And so yeah, although it seems attractive it is kind of a disincentive because we need so many guards. So essentially, I understand the question or the answer now in that we got a really good deal after we're not getting gauged this year. We're getting sort of market rate. Yes. You guys are even... Any other questions? Are we ready for a motion? Thank you, Councillor Barlow. Is there a second? Thank you, President Paul. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed, please say nay. And that passes unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. And now we are back for approval of three contracts related to the River Siphon break. And I believe that we have... Well, some Megan. Megan told me that she would be here and I don't see her just yet. If we have a quick minute here. Megan is impressed with our speed and we'll be right on. Catherine, in the interest of time could we go to the next item? Oh, they're both water resources. I'm sorry. Oh, water resources. If I had any clean jokes to tell, I would tell them now, but I don't even have any dirty jokes. So I don't have jokes. Yeah. And it seems also this was... We knew that the contract was going to come, but I believe that she provided an overview about what to expect. Yes. I think that is right. I don't think we'll need to take too long on this item, but look how fast she got herself on to Zoom. It's division... You're being efficient. I would thought I had until like 730. I tried to tell you when I run the meetings, they are pretty quick. But I'm impressed, so... You like it that way. Yeah. Nonetheless, tell us about these three contracts as Councillor Chen was just saying, we did get an overview of these in advance. So we might not need too much information. Maybe you can just let us know if there are things that have changed substantially or how things have kind of turned out. Yeah. I think the only thing that has changed a little bit was that at the time that director Spencer briefed you all, we hadn't quite figured out obviously the final amount for the work with ECI, and we also hadn't figured out how we were gonna do the pump rental, if we were gonna run the pump, the two pumps that are there on site through ECI's contract. And ultimately what it came down to in this kind of sugared out after Chapin spoke with you all is that it makes more sense for us to directly contract with Rainferent. So it's kind of an after the fact approval for like the first week or two of the rental, but that's the main difference. So we're really just seeking after the fact approval. And we're seeking after the fact approval. Does anyone have any questions for when she comes back? If not, I would take a motion, but if you do, I'm sure she will come back. I'm happy to make the motion as recommended on board box. I'm sorry, as civic clerk. Nice, good catch. I second that. Thank you, Councillor Chang. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed, please say nay. And that motion passes. And by the time she comes back, she can tell us more about these contracts with on-call water resources. I can give you enough of an overview to say this is something that we have done probably since before I got here, but every year we, DPW has done this because there are these emergent needs and having contractors on call does allow a fast response. You will recall that with some of the contractors responding to this river break, we were able to tap into them really easily because we had these contracts in place, some of the amounts needed to be upped, but it was very efficient for that. And so it has been a common practice. There are three different contractors, $200,000 each for a total of $600,000. If you have questions, I might be able to answer that. President Paula, I think you're on mute. I'm not sure if you're talking to me or somebody in your room. Yeah, okay. Oh, here's Megan, hang on. Hey, Megan. Hi, let me see if I can get Susan on my phone as the network just died here. No worries, we've already approved the River Siphon break item and we're just about to, I was asking if there were any questions, I gave a quick overview of the other item. Are there questions? And you are on speaker. That's fine, that's great. Are there questions on the on-call contractor item? I don't see any questions. Are we ready for a motion? I'm happy to make a motion. Thank you, Councillor McKee. Is there a second? A second. Thank you, Councillor Barlow. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All those opposed, please say nay. And that passes unanimously. Thank you, Megan. I'm sorry that everything crashed but both of these items have passed and you are free to go. Thank you. I appreciate you all, that was a very, very efficient thing, I'm sitting over here very impressed. Thank you. Excellent, get back to work. Thank you. Bye. Bye. And if there are no objections, we shall adjourn this meeting at 6.06 and see you all for the next Board of Finance meeting in September. Thank you. Thanks very much. Have a good evening.