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We are back with another episode of the after hours podcast I think this is like episode five or something like that now we've been on a roll just working our way through kind of like the MIC mods and today we have another special guest and this one is highly requested by every member I get at least a thousand DMs I mean right so first of all before even start we just went on a few minutes guys yeah of course we just went on this whole tangent on how to say his name correctly members tell me that I say it fucked up all the time so I'm glad that we can get through that and if anyone has any struggle he says it if you say you know what I mean that's exactly how you say yeah now it's in my head I mean I like it that's cool where you from where are you right now I live in Dubai my parents are originally from Iran so but I was born and raised in Dubai I lived in states for about 10 years and I just moved back two years ago that's it why'd you go back to Dubai I don't know I miss my family you know we were living in Florida it was just me my wife and my son we didn't have any family over there so it was just kind of getting lonely my son was growing up so I wanted to kind of be closer to family so we decided to move back here that's cool we're in Florida were you Miami first then you're just living in all like the fun spots of the world yeah but when we had our kid we decided to move up the schools were better it was more family oriented we couldn't really leave in Miami anymore yeah it's fun when you're young right it's nice thing yeah yeah but when you have kids you just got a sacrifice I mean Dubai is beautiful though Dubai I've heard is like unbelievable yeah I heard it's not Campbell has a lot of good stories about Dubai so is he from there too or is he just visit there no he just visited here while he was on duty I think oh Jesus Campbell the camera was a character dude I just go through after hours every morning like but he's drinking and he's just like I love it yeah he's a savage though I mean his stories are pretty crazy yeah that's my morning routine you know when I wake up that's when he was on the ranch I'm having my coffee scrolling through the after hours really two stories oh I also want to mention real quick just everyone knows I did not randomly just go girly and have this random room I'm in my girlfriend's room that's why you probably see her name down there too I am on the go so don't think that I moved into this random white girly apartment but I want to make that clear I guess just started off I guess we usually started off with like you know what was your life like before trading how'd you kind of find trading how'd you kind of get into it that journey I guess just started off is what we usually do if you just want to quickly kind of go over your kind of like I don't know life before trading and then like how you found it and just like kind of some of the struggles like that sure I started trading the first time that I came across trading was in I think 2014 or 2015 I joined one of the guys Tim Sykes everybody's yeah so you know was I joined his chat room and started watching a bunch of his DVDs and that was like my first intro to trading but I think within a month I knew it was not for me you know it's just like going long getting dumped on yeah and it was not working yeah so you know just buying breakouts there was no buying this you know that strategy was not known to me so I was like you know buying breakouts and all of them happen to be fake breakouts or I would just like you know get dumped on yeah but yeah just like within a month later I was okay this is not for me and I just I kind of you know stopped trading but I was just like you know that was my first intro yeah and I think when am I but I knew that's when I knew about Alex and about I was following them on Twitter and it was thanks to you know the other guys that I came across them because I was following Alex progress I think he was all the way I sound like this was like what six years ago I'm 32 so it's okay so yeah so then when am I see open initially I joined immediately for a month yep and then there was some business that came up I just joined for a month to see what's going on yeah I think it was one of the first hundred members because I was like bow announced that he's opening a channel was okay holy shit I mean I want to know what this guy does because I was always like seeing him top take everything yeah I was like how does this motherfucker top take everything I want to know what's going on so at this point you weren't profitable you weren't making money really like no no even when I joined MIC I didn't have a single trade I just wanted to kind of get familiar see what's going on what does bow talk about but at that time I had a lot of you know I was focusing on my own business and I was just so I kind of like stopped after a month because there was a lot of problems that happened so I wanted to focus on business I was like you know later on I would get into it I think this was around 2018 and I was like I always said okay I was like I'm waiting for a pullback into the market to get back in again so you know never happens when COVID happened then I actually didn't join MIC when COVID happened I was just like okay I'm gonna be buying all the large gaps I'm gonna become a back holder in everything I started like you know putting everything that I had into you know just like scaling all the way down I started buying spy from like in the beginning I was I'm just gonna buy spy yeah so like buying spy like from like I think like 28270 all through that down to 222 so I was like I'm just gonna keep adding I know it's eventually gonna go up and you know so I just kind of build a bankroll from there and then I was getting bored there was nothing happening so I was like you know what let me just start joining MIC again see what's going on and you know the good thing about joining later on it was that you guys had a lot of video content that helped me so actually I think I joined at a right time because there was a lot of content that you guys have yeah so it was just yeah then I joined and in the beginning I was still not really sure and I know you're no no in the beginning I wasn't shorting but but I found out I asked you because I tried shorting from each trick each trip was the only platform that I had I didn't know about Cobra I knew about center point at that time but I didn't want to switch to windows I was like oh no I'm a Mac I just want to comfortable with each one you're the parallel yeah so with each rate it was so slow so I was just not executing well so I was okay let me just join Cobra and I think initially when I think the first short that I did it was a start and I that's why I didn't know what were the correct locate prices so I think there was a start I don't remember the ticker it was trading around like one dollar one yeah and I think I paid like ten cents for it I bought like a thousand shift for ten cents I thought that was the norm yeah yeah so so I sure and some of the guys in the chatting was okay these are the lines I'm like okay let me put some orders there I even know what fantasy order watch a single video I was like I just want to watch those okay I'm putting orders here so at that point I just broke even once the trade was I was like oh no like you know shorting something is too extensive you can't make money and I was like okay let me go to the large cap room and see what's going on so I started you know just dabbling to the large gap but not following any strategy or anything I was just like watching see what these guys are playing it was just like waiting for Joe's watch this to come so I could just you know I was a lazy member in the beginning yeah yeah everyone kind of is yeah in the beginning they want to be so excited way yeah you just want to be spoon-fed and you know have it easy but at this point I wasn't profitable at all because honestly I hadn't put in into any work so I was like you know what let me give the small cap another shot so I saw Alex I was okay let me because in the beginning I would just like show up around nine yeah just like laid where all the locusts were gone let me show up early and see what's going on and start actually locating on time and I started like you know reading his commentary and finding out you know what are his watch list and what's his watching and everything so I look at it like three stocks and he was either these are my lines and I put all of my orders there and see what happens just without watching a single video so I see and prior to that my experience of shorting was shorting into weakness so seeing MIC shorting into strength and resistant was something new to me so that was I was a holy shit are these like what are they doing like I think you know it's just so scary the beginning but I was okay you know it's Alex and Val I trust him so let me put my orders and see what happens so I put my orders in and I think it hit my first one and it just failed completely I was like holy shit this how does he know how does this guy know we're just like a wizard yeah so the first day first green day second third day for the green in a row I was a holy shit they're remember when you were posting this but I remember when you first were starting posting your green day like yeah I was like what's going on like yeah I was just like so amazed I don't think I've ever had three days in a three green rate green days in a row at that time so I was like so shocked so I think within like four or five days I contacted Tosh I was like dude I want to become a lifetime member and I want I want to have access to the accelerator course because I think at that time they weren't selling it was just available to the lifetime so that's when I started really you know digging into the videos and I think I was green for two months straight it was just insane yeah and so I didn't really have once I started like you know following Alex watches and his commentary yeah I was green I never looked back it was just you know because so many people right now like I think a lot of the mods who watches will understand that like there's so many members that will message and be like basically like give me the holy grail or like basically just ask a question and kind of look for that one answer that's like gonna like click for them yeah and I think like you're a great example like you're someone that you join you know at first I kind of just like you said to yourself it's been a lazy member just not doing and you went out of your shell and you stepped up and like watch watch the videos follow the commentary like I mean the amount of people I know who tell me who messaged me and be like what is Alex watching and it's as simple as like you really didn't like click the watch this button to see like what he's looking at and so I think that speaks like super high volume for you is that you actually just put in the work and it shows how quickly from just putting in the effort that you started actually like noticing growth absolutely it was just an instant success for me it was just insane and the thing the thing that I did I trusted Alex and Val I think a lot of people are afraid of trusting their lines and shorting into strength yeah I didn't have that fear I was like okay these guys they know what they're doing yep and why if I'm if I'm learning from them I want to trade like them so I'm not gonna I'm gonna trust their process and trust their lines because you know it was just working so well for me so I was like okay this is how they do it this is what I'm supposed to do I get a better risk reward on my trades and it was an instant success and the thing that I realized was I didn't start dabbling into a lot of different strategies yeah because in the beginning I heard like low hanging fruit and I saw that you know not all of them pop a lot of them that you know they end up fading they don't pop and I end up spending a lot on locations and in the beginning I was locating everything everything on the watch this I was like then I you know later on I learned how to kind of you know shortlist those but yeah to me it was just like okay I learned one strategy really well master it instead of just you know focusing on I don't know large cap options dabble into a lot of different things because there's a lot of videos and you could you know get overloaded with information you can you know kind of get lost so for me was like okay what is what is Alex James there what are they focusing on and I'll just focus on and it was just basically the broken stocks on day one and yeah that's what I just primarily focus on you don't really trade like the hot chick much I don't see unless it's really backside that's the only time I've ever seen you really yeah right I do locate but I just wait for them to you know get a death candle or stuff and that's when I attack but I just usually have it just in case it's eventually gonna come in the beginning I was like terrified like when I would say the hot chick I was like okay that's I'm not touching it you know these guys they know what they're talking about and in the beginning I remember the first month or two I was just trading the first hour just like Alex and I was stopped but then I realized that I'm missing a lot of knowledge being dropped by Bell so there's one day that I started sticking around see what bow does yeah and that's that that's when it was completely game-changer for me same how he trades throughout the day and what he thinks about the line I kept constantly asking I was like what are you looking for easy are these looking for and we would be doing the same trades over and over again and that's the misconception about like trading after 10 30 like I think Harry we've talked about this before it's a lot is that you you know just because Alex stops at 10 30 right and I do it too because for me what always ended up happening was if there was a runner after 10 30 I would end up like if I was up let's say like a thousand dollars something and then I would just be like up $800 like after a small tiny loss I'm like I should be done and I do another trade and I mean up $600 and they're just so for some people it doesn't work but like if you if you are kind of like I mean and you can want to stay and learn and like also trade like there's nothing wrong with that and I think that that is also like kind of impressive that you can like you just stayed and learned I mean I think so many people are so quick to like get out away from the screens fast or like you're just like you're putting in like extra effort to get education through like bow and like what in Harry stays all day like everybody stays all day most part yeah and I think like keep gone you can keep down yeah in in order the thing that a lot of people need to realize the reason that Alex is able to make this amount of money trading one hour a day is because he's worked seven years you know for somebody who's new you need a lot of screen time in order to learn about you know stuff death candle when is the backside starting yep you know Alex is able to make that amount of money because of the amount of experience he has yeah I don't think anybody is able to do that if you just like trade one hour a day you need screen time in the beginning when you're starting yeah you need a lot of strength doesn't mean that you need to be trading all day yeah but you need to be looking and kind of figuring out okay when is the backside for hot chick yeah waiting for those and seeing those moves constantly over and over again that you know you're able like to you know top take or you know just being able like you know to short the bounces yeah like how many people are asking you like how to get those like dollar moves on a balance oh all the time dude I've been doing this for seven years like I've been doing this for a long time like yeah and like I I think that like I definitely like see the thing is with shorting after 1030 is that two things can happen number number one is the slow grind like we saw it on pps on Friday where I got it from like five bucks to 580 everyone's like oh how did you get that but it's like you know five wasn't breaking down it hit five it would come back up couldn't break five again you know it come back up try and break five five ten couldn't break it again and I noticed that you could clearly tell that people were fighting the stock all the way up it was slowly just grinding and that's screen time as a lawn right but also as a short seller there can be times where you know we get a giant death candle at 1030 and then it just fades all day because there's just like no lack of demand after we get that that death candle and on every pop it's kind of getting sold we also saw that with the other one I forget what it was called but there was one that just faded and there was one that kind of stayed around and lingered so I think it's like definitely as a short seller like identifying the price action that's trapping you like and it starts with like you're you're trying to short it and you take a 10 cent loss you're like oh man like I can easily make this back like the stocks like a piece of shit right then you take another 10 cent loss you're like oh man like I can easily make this back size up a bit more size up a little bit more and then you're like holy shit like what the fuck that did I just do you know and it's just because it's just low grind and you don't really expect it but the buyers just keep stepping up over and over and over and over again and it's like this should have dumped a long time ago but we're still now above the web and I was saying in the chat like like hey like you know you might want to be warned and there there will be some people who are just like no like the stock right but you know it's the abnormal action that can really get you as a short like after zombie and it's usually that like low volume grind paper yeah exactly that and it's to go parabolic in order to stop all the shorts out and to go lower because you have no more shorts covering all your bidders are gone and you know the things probably gonna be long just yeah long to sell I think something that that I mean has done and you've preached about this in chat and I think now knowing how like new you are like it is pretty impressive is like you say like after 10 30 like you have you take a step back and you identify where like the best spots for you to get in our and that's where you'll set your orders whereas like some people sit there and I used to do this and this is what caused me to lose so much was I would trade every bounce every bounce it's short cover short cover and then the range would tighten you don't even notice and then you get fucking spot I call it like what is our bow called a coil like you just shoot up and you lose whereas like your orders are sitting at the lines where you want it to be you're not trading like every little bounce bow can do that bow bow is different bow is like an algo the guy can trade it every bounce every dip whatever but like for the majority like the 90% of us like your approach I think makes the most sense and how did you even like develop that sort of like discipline and understanding like so fast sorry I can't hear you hear me now can you guys hear me I can hear you I can hear you let me see I don't know what happened some technical difficulties okay let me see okay I can hear you guys can you hear us now okay do you hear my question or should you want me to repeat it yeah repeat it please okay sure so I was I was basically just asking like how you so quickly develop the understanding to like wait for your spots instead of trading like every little bounce because like that's something that so many new people fall victim to but like you see the early on have that discipline and can teach it pretty well so I was kind of curious how you came across that like how you developed it no because the thing is I tried like shooting every bounce and trading all day and I just realized that my wrist reward is you know it's not good enough because I think it's like what there's a point that comes with you know the stock goes so low yeah that if it pops like 10 cents if I shorted my wrist is gonna be like a dollar to make like another 10 cents or 20 cents it's just so I realized that I needed to bounce enough for me to be able to scale and to have a good reward because you want the loans to be able to take some profits you know what I mean so you want the loans to be there selling in the spots that you're planning on shorting so you have that compound effect of shorts and sell buyers who are selling at that point that's when you really get the stocks to fade again yeah you know bow because that says like you know I want this thought to pop enough to give me a good risk reward and yeah just watching you've developed this so early which is crazy like I think we've interviewed enough traders now and like having conversations with people about how early on it's just so hard for them to like understand this stuff and I think something with you and I saved your charts actually because I always send the people how you have developed this ability to stop out on a dime like I don't know what it is like you just have this like saying like when you're shorting VWAP right like you'll see it like you'll short it if it's wrong you're gone you're covered in whatever and like it's crazy that if you really only been like with us like in trading like this since like COVID like that's not that long it's not long I think it's May that's when I really started like it was second May that's when I really started following you see that's crazy to me like that's like so impressive like hey I don't know about you but like for me like my biggest problem as a new short seller like and I know Harry used to be shorting but like or even longing like I just wouldn't stop out like I would be like I'm gonna short a VWAP reduction and if it goes 20 cents against me I'd still be the kind of like not frozen but you know oh I'm gonna be right but instead you have taken the approach of like I'm gonna stop out and then I'll re-attack when it gets to my line and like do you have anything for like new traders to kind of fault like to like you know what I mean like do you know can you give some advice to new traders who are struggling there because that is a big struggle for everybody that's like 90% of what I get asked I think one of the good things with me was I didn't have a lot of bad habits the only bad habit that I had was shorting into weakness so I didn't trade long enough to build any bad habits so when I joined MIC it was you know my mind was completely clear if you're joining MIC I think just forget about everything that you've learned so far and just start from the beginning and trust your lines so like it's as simple as that and to me I remember even my wife in the beginning was so suspicious she was like yeah she's like what do you mean like shorting these crappy stocks I'm like yeah I've been consistent I've never had it so you know that's when she started yeah it was just like you know I'm learning all the bad habits and just trusting the process you know it's just like so big everybody said oh trust the process yeah he's like you know but trusting your line and I just like genuinely trusted Alex and Bao because I know I've read the legendary stories of Bao I wanted to trade like him so if this is the process that he follows why should I go and do something differently and a lot of people think that they're smart and that's something that I never thought I was like okay guys you know what we were talking about they've seen these type of moves numerous times yeah so I just trusted the mugs and the lines it was as simple as that I didn't try to make it complicated yeah the interesting part about MIC is like simplifying the process you know I'm like with two different chat rooms it was just not for me I was just I swear to God I was so close to cancel my membership because when I saw how expensive the look yeah yeah I was oh maybe this is not for me cuz like you know and I was thinking about like you know what let me give it another try let me follow Alice watch list yeah it's almost so dumb down that you feel stupid following it like if that makes sense like it's as simple as like even like Harry like the shit you do it's like you're drawing your line and that's it and like you then obviously like as you get experience like you use things like tape and you can kind of develop you know tools to develop your strategy more yeah beginning it was like dude you take this little drawing tool you draw lines where we tell you to and like where you like learn to and like that's it absolutely and I remember in the beginning I saw before I was a mom I kept saying you guys repeating the same thing over the same thing like don't people like you know reason I like this was I was thinking and then I became a mom and I started like I'm now I understand why you guys kept repeating yourself yeah there are some people that they think they're smarter than the market like yep so yeah I did it for years I'm long after a death candle you know I'm like yeah like I mean and there are some traps trust me above VWAP that I see a lot but like in my videos I say like after you see a death candle wait like four or five minutes don't just go long right away because that's usually not a great spot to long and people over and over again just go long right after a death candle like oh I thought that was a good pullback I'm like no bro like look at this stock right now like like watch my videos I say wait like five to ten minutes after we get a dramatic move like that because like you know it's there's a lot of volatility there's a lot of people panicking there's a lot of people maybe trying to go short there's so many things going on that you need to wait and be patient and then you know same guy again like next day went long right after a death candle I'm like bro what are you doing like why'd you just do that again I told you yesterday and it was like literally three days straight before I'm like okay if you're gonna DM me the same exact chart again I'm just gonna stop responding obviously not listening to what I'm saying you know well it's funny because like I I went I went into my Twitter and like I was looking at old DMs and I remember I first started like trading because there was only a short period of time before where I started and then MIC started so I had DMed Alex and I was asking him questions about sizing about like where to shore like and he repeats the same shit this is going back almost you know two and a half years or whatever and it's like literally he's like wait for a death candle bro he calls it kiss the death back then he's like wait for a death I kiss the death he's like short pops after that you know you saw the water yes everything like everything he said two years ago is the same shit he says every single day today and it's funny so like you say that like everyone's always like oh why you're repeating this why you're repeating this because it's what works it's just like human emotion and I think ego gets in the way of that and I think that's something for you I mean that's pretty cool is like you don't seem to have any ego and you don't seem to have an ego you don't seem arrogant and I think that probably is what like propelled you to go like forward pretty quick and I mean have you kind of always been like like because you said you had a business right right have you been something I know owning a business to like you kind of can't have an ego because if you do like you will just get run over like in any aspect and have you is that always been you like every like with your business like a large portion of your life before trading like the main thing yeah and the thing is I think accepting loss early on understanding that there's gonna be a loss not having any fear of loss help me also I used to play poker on a regular basis on weekend so playing poker you know there's a lot of risk management you can't win every pot you're gonna be losing you know so you can't have an ego you know in poker so that helped me with trading being able like you know to wait for your spot and one of the reason that I'm able to be patient is because there are times that you sit at the table you get you continue to get crappy card and you just have to be patient so that's that's how it is that that's why I'm patient with you know the Hodges I know the back side is gonna come yeah it's just a matter of time it could be a love it could be a or it could not come there's a matter of time I know it's gonna give me a spot to enter so that's why that kind of helped you know having that background and yeah now do you still have the business do you still do yeah and that's my primary source of income still you know I do this as I don't want to say as a hobby because I take everything that I play poker even on weekends I take a very when there's money involved I'm very competitive I take it seriously yeah and I like to go up the ladder pretty quickly because I remember the first time that I remember I played poker I was playing 1-2 and I had no idea and my friends been playing for a long time he was playing 1-2 so as soon as I learned I was like okay we need to go up this thing so I saw my friends I do I've been playing for two years and I kind of like that so I remember I played 2-5 I won like 500 bucks and I was like alright what is the buying for 510 there likes a minimum $500 I'm okay let's go play 510 yeah just immediately same night I go there I play there and I think like within an hour I went like a $1,500 so I'm like okay let's call it a day so I was just always eager to you know go up the stakes it's a trading all traders I swear they have this like at least the successful ones they have this mentality of like whatever they're doing they're gonna do it a hundred percent like there's no like half-assing whatever it could be poker big trading could be fucking working out when they get into it it's like their focus is there and that allows them to be like really good at it yeah that's how you know that's how it was like initially I was just like you know trading with 100-200 shares I wasn't like thinking about like making money I just wanted to yeah kind of you know make sure that you know the process is working and as soon as it was working well I just like went up you know from 100-200 shares to a thousand shares immediately why because I could take a hundred dollar loss it wasn't you know I could take that kind of loss but and it was just like yeah how do you divide your time between the business and trading that I get that question 30,000 times a day like how do you divide your time and because of the difference in time zone you know I wake up around like 7-8 o'clock in the morning so the pre-market starts let's say 7 a.m. is about 4 p.m. here hours of time to work on my business go to the gym run my errands and everything so I'm like waking up 7 8 working all the way till midnight or what I am so I think like owning a business is that like you are able to trade the way that you were because you weren't solely relying on training for the money like for the food on your table and I think that is a big important part because everyone in this game wants to quit their job that's the first thing they want to do but your mindset should be okay I have my job as money now I can be super super patient in the market not like oh I want to quit this job I don't care about that money I need to be making money here now and so you were able to be patient and trust the watch list and trust the lines because you know you're like okay I have a business I'm doing pretty well you know this is like as much as you did take it seriously it's still more of a hobby phase it's not it's not like a primary or like a secondary it's like you know hobby whatever I'm gonna just try and learn this right and that gives you the opportunity to be so so patient rather than trying to short every bounce rather than trying the oh I'm going to be rich moral rather than you know you're already playing Lamborghinis and expensive clothes and I'm all ready to go I'm gonna be wearing Gucci tomorrow and I think that's a really important part I always tell people I tell them if you're trading with your rent or food money you're gonna lose like you know and when I see some people you know they find consistency for a week or two and all of a sudden they want to you know quit their job I'm like no do you need to at least be consistent for two years have your rent and food money saved up for at least a year and then have a capital of trading because you're gonna be making emotional decisions constantly you're gonna be like okay I need to be making an X amount of money every day in order to you know pay my rent it's just not how it's gonna work I remember when the pandemic started and in my business closed because we're close to three months and at that time like I wasn't taking a paycheck for I starting in I don't know May like end of May and obviously I couldn't go in and cut either so I just had no extra money coming in and I was like in my head I'm like well I've been consistent for a long time like it doesn't really matter but it's funny like even for me who has been doing this for so long when the when the table kind of turned and like trading was my only income I remember the first day it was no different than any day but it still was kind of like emotionally like okay this is weird like I feel like every dollar I'm trading with now is like my chips like my last chips that I like need to protect in like chains so it's like it really does like I've never understood the rush to quit like I understand the like trading to have free time but like even for me like I have zero intention of like getting rid of the business anytime soon or like not working because I like also human interaction like I love like MIC is great because we can talk to people that do what we what we do but the ability to go to a business and like also keep your brain going like that like I'm a huge believer in like once you start slowing down you like you get older like you start to like really like your brain will slow down but it's for me it's like dude I love being up at like 4 or 5 a.m. like working really hard for like five hours and then going to do something else and like yeah being different parts of my brain going yeah for you like do you plan on keeping the business forever like if if trading just exploded for you and it was like ridiculous thing home would you still keep the business or how what is your kind of plans like for the future no yeah because the business is an online business so I don't have to you know the money keeps coming in without me having to put in work in that are taking care of it and that gives me the freedom to travel to spend time with family if I want it doesn't give me that freedom the training requires me to be there all the time if I if I'm taking some off traveling enough if I'm not day trading I could be losing money so old and I think it's like you know ultimately my goal is to do more long-term swing trades because I don't want to be you know this is an extra income right now I have the time but I want to be able to also spend time with family because right now sacrifice a lot of time in order to get really good at trading yeah ultimately maybe a year from now I want to move in more into maybe options maybe swing and long-term so I don't have to work right because I can imagine if you get sick one day or two days if you stop trading there's no money coming in if that's your only source of income you know that's not so that's why like I think it's even really important for traders that become successful to diversify you know whether you're going to real estate yeah you some long-term you know investing other businesses something that you know it's gonna make sure that if you're not day trading there's still money coming in I think that's really important because like if you're just gonna be day trading all the time you're basically you're not truly free ever you know what I mean because that requires your time to be able to make money exactly I know I completely agree and another thing I think is that like for James like when James talked about his business and when you talked about yours like the common and even for me like when I was learning I was in college but I also knew that I had a plan B to kind of fall back on so that that in that phase of my career that was like the patience phase where I learned how to be really really patient just like kind of Amon's talking about and so I stopped kind of trying to long every bounce I stopped kind of trying to you know and I just would wait for my spots and I was like well you know what I'm in college right now like I literally had like 4.0 GPA and I was also trading and like you know as I talked about in like another podcast I'm pretty sure like almost no social life like I'd go out on the weekends but like I pretty much gave it all up for school and trading because this is what I wanted to do you know and you know it's funny that that ended up being kind of like the patience phase like those two years of college allowed me to be more patient instead of rushing it because I had that mindset of okay like you know I I think the patience is the number one lesson here like that is definitely number one where it's not like you're fomoing in at every line it's not like you're you know trying to scale from 3 to 4 or from 3 to 5 you know you're like okay I want to go short at 340 I'm stopping out at 350 if it doesn't work and that's it right instead of like trying to get every line trying to fomo in here trying to and those people like I see people all the time with too many lines on their charts that isn't a sign of like no knowledge that is a sign that you are trying to rush the money in my opinion because when people have five six seven eight lines like you know that's just that's like you know you might as well just keep buying a scratch ticket because like that's like that's just not what we preach here like Alex talks about like in the morning you notice how he has two three lines right where it's like maybe like 380 and 390 and four bucks and that's all he wants to go short that doesn't mean he's gonna go short at 350 right but for the people who are trying to scale all the way up that says more about your own mental state in trading in my opinion than the actual like process or anything else because you are trying to rush it like you know there was one guy where I told him you know you should just focusing on longing outer lines where you always stop out because you're always going in too early getting stopped out and then the stocks actually bouncing right funny like he didn't really have the patience for that you know he he kept kind of trying to long the outer lines and that's a sign of oh I want to grow my account oh I want to rush it rather than I'm gonna wait for that real lines I'm gonna be super super patient you know I'm going to like it's really the patience I think out of this that really got you to where you are and I mean that was that's really it that's a big takeaway that I get from this absolutely you guys can hear me right I think that the like such a misconception is like everyone's like the faster I make money the faster we get to my goals like for you I mean like you talk about like your goals are spending time with your family and like and all that it's like it's funny that the more patient you are the faster you're actually gonna get there but everyone's in such a rush they're like I need to make all this money right now I need to like you think every bounce every opportunity every dip everything has to be a trade and like that is what I mean like I I have had so many people message me be like you know I need to trade not that long like you know like just whatever like how is he so quick and so easy at this and it's like it that is one of the most impressive things that of anyone we've interviewed is just your patience level and I think your patience is what's getting you to your goals like that much faster thank you but I think I think less something that I learned as well less is more yeah I remember now I have you know in the beginning I started just with a laptop and I could only fit about three or I think about four charts yeah that kind of helped me as well to get rid of a lot of noise you know I like to say okay I'm only focusing on these thought those would be my only stocks here and I remember I was I was trading on Friday while I was away and I was on my laptop and I just went late in the day I was out for let's see you know it was raining staying in the hotel I was like let me see what's going on and first thing that I did go to watch let's see what Alex is watching I didn't even open I didn't even open my scanner or anything Alex was okay these are the ones that I'm focusing on I went see there's locate yes there's locate brought two of them I just traded those two I didn't have like three monitors or anything just being able to focus on those two stocks I was you know I made money on both of them because I think it's like something like when you're trading only in two things you could size up more yes trading two charts instead of like trying to nail ten different stocks at the same time and I honestly like you know just recently I got two additional monitors and I just think that that is too much for me sometimes like there's too much noise I'm trying to get rid of a lot of the charts maybe just like have a bigger charts because I realized I would be trading a lot better when it was like the less noise I would be seeing a lot of different things so I've been actually thinking of like either just like getting rid of one of them or just yeah make charts bigger so I don't have to look at a lot of different things funny you say that so on Friday on Friday night I stayed in and I was doing charting stuff and I have so I have three like 32 vertical monitors right and so the longest time I kept rearranging my charts we can have more I could have like I'd have like 15 different charts in my main screen to watch and now I'm the other charts and have long-term everything and on Friday I actually got rid of one whole screen and I made it just a chat and then my middle screen that I focus on is literally just the three stocks that I'm looking at the most and I actually got rid of it so I'm the other charts like I got rid of the montages so I can see other charts but now I'm just I'm trying to do that where I just want to focus more on what's in front of me right and I love that I love that you said that that actually even confirms in my head that I was just doing the same thing last I'm at a red day actually funny I was up on six I was in six different tickers and I was up on all of them and I didn't know what to do I didn't know where to focus where to look and all of a sudden they bounced and I lost them all and I was like I've been there my time yeah I feel a lot of new traders they join immediately and all of a sudden they have like three monitors they're on their PDT yeah I'm like why are you spending money why just like you know allocate that money to your trading can that can actually you know help you grow faster and because I'm not joking I think I went from one monitor to three just a month ago so I was trading consistently proper just with one monitor with six charts for about like five six months and I didn't have any problem and I was like and I think the only reason that I did is because I wanted to have like my E trade as well to be able to look at some of the large gaps yeah otherwise I would have been fine with one monitor still positive like I'm pretty sure that the bear still trades on a laptop and like yeah it's not because there's like a very talented trader and like but he's a great example right he focuses on one ticker and if it's like his process and like what he wants to trade then he focuses there on one laptop I shit on him like I'm always like dude what are you trading on like coconut and like what the hell are you doing but like for him it works and it's true it's like I mean just like the you just the less is more concepts like I think out of this whole episode the best thing everyone can take away and rewatch the part where he thought where I'm talking about that because if you can just stay patient you're actually gonna get to where you want to go faster and it's not always about nailing everything hitting everything it's just sticking to what you know what you do and you're gonna get I mean you're gonna get your goals that much quicker right I mean yeah I think that you know what what I love about MIC is that there is equal amount of opportunity here you have the same video content that is available to everybody is what I watch yeah but you get like completely different outcomes and you know one of the prime example of that is so you know my wife she watched the same videos that I watch but our outcomes are completely different why because she has fear of losses yeah and that's that that's something that people need to get over your loss put your ego aside take that loss it's something that I learned in poker it's not just one session it's a long session it's day in day out it's just the one long session it's okay to get up cut your losses and leave there's gonna be another day but some people think that oh they need to be green every day you know that's just not how it works and a lot of people think that working hard is gonna equal to success I think something that is more important is working smart is just know what you do how you do it is way more important than you know how hard you work and I think the quality the work that you put in is really important you know there are construction workers that work really hard but they don't make this amount of money they work harder than us and I remember my son initially that's what I thought was like you know in order to become successful in life you know you need to work really hard and it was like oh that's really cool when I grow up I want to become a construction worker and clean the windows of the building yeah yeah that's not actually how it works you know that's what life works unfortunately so it's true I mean some of the hardest workers I know actually like don't do very well like financially and they're fine I mean that's their lives and stuff but and that's what I think that I think that in trading like it's very much like we tell everyone watching videos over and over but the thing is like you could I could sit down one of my couple of my friends and who don't work that hard no they're just watching mindlessly and not gain anything from it and you seem to have found the path of like watching the right videos and like that pertains to you and then like asking the right questions that way yeah I think that is also really important when you watch something and you learn something I think it's really important to put into practice yeah really don't you know what I mean because if you just like watch a lot of videos and you don't put into practice if you to be honest I've never paid to trade it yeah I got in I was like I need to feel the pain you know what I mean because the thing is I would pay for training I I actually set up on TOS one time and I just kept buying buying there's no emotion I know this is not real money so there was no emotion involved and something that I love about stock market is that anybody can participate you know there is no discrimination there is no age doesn't matter you know whether you're white black it doesn't matter anybody everybody has the equal amount of opportunity to participate in this market and there is no room for victimization you know you cannot you know victimize yourself the market doesn't care about your feelings and you know we're all capable of trading the same thing but you have 90% of them fail and it only comes down to risk management, patience and FOMO yeah that's crazy it's like I remember when I got into trading like initially like I remember thinking like it's such a technical thing like how it's anyone can do things like you have to be stupid not to make money trading when I and this was I wasn't making money I just like was like oh like you do X, Y and Z and you're gonna make money and like little that I know how much of the emotional side was like like my biggest like roadblock as a trader was the emotional side I could never get past like missing a trade I can never get past like missing an opportunity or being read and that took me a long time to like get over and I had this one day where I remember I was like so depressed because I was just like not consistent yet and I was like beating myself up like I felt like I was putting in the right work but like I was miserable because I couldn't get it and I looked at myself in the mirror and I'm like dude the market doesn't fucking care about your feelings it doesn't care if you make a million dollars if you lose a million dollars no one gives a shit like you need to just focus on like what's in front of you focus on yourself and you will get there but without patience I just said this to I don't remember call the other day and I just said to the guy because he said you know he's always getting in too early and I was like well I think there comes a point we have to tell yourself like if you can't be patient then you need to quit trading if you can't do this like if you can't just be disciplined and patient you're never gonna make it right and if you want to make it out enough you're gonna do it you're gonna change your mindset I'm gonna find a way yeah here's the thing I don't think trading is for everybody either it's a tough job you know it's a tough mental job and you know it's not for everybody you know if here's the thing it's a sad truth if you've been at MIC for two years and you're not consistent profitable then maybe this is not for you you know because I've been to a lot of places and there is no other simple process than MIC it just doesn't exist actually I haven't seen it so maybe this is not for you and I think that there has to be a time that you have to be honest with yourself because I remember growing up I love playing soccer I wanted to become a soccer player but there was a point that came in my life I was pretty good at it but I wasn't the best so I sat down I was like am I gonna really be wasting my time even though it's my passion even though I love it but there there's a time that you have to be honest with yourself am I gonna make it am I gonna be one of the best players in the world or am I gonna be wasting my time and so you know what this is not for me so six months ago dude I was I hit a point it's about six months ago it was right actually before the pandemic started I remember like seeing like Alex's P&L's every day and some of the other guys and I'm like dude why the fuck is that not me right and I actually to be honest with myself that like I wasn't putting in the amount of work I should be still like I was still like I thought I was I was watching like videos and they got posted I was like going through main chat is doing everything but I wasn't like actually digesting it I was just doing it robotically to kind of say that I was doing it instead of like actually watching the content like watching the education and putting it in like you said into practice to learn more about it and I think everybody like you said if you've been here for a long time and like the struggling like there's gonna come a point where you need to look at yourself and say like am I doing everything to become profitable if the answer is no then you know your problem if the answer is yes then obviously change something up or find a new profession but I do believe everyone who's still in MIT like has the ability to get there it's just you have to be honest to yourself and upfront like am I gonna get this or not and if not what's like what's my fucking problem like I'm doing I also think that like you know because there are stories like Nico where it did take him ten years to become profitable right ten years eight years eight fucking years though here's a thing back then there was not a lot of good and content that we have right now right now in an era that's whether you want to trade or whether you want to do anything there's so many free content like some of the free content that MIT puts on every Wednesday with Tosh yeah you're the goal even if you're not a member something like why are you putting all these why are you like showing all of their free strategies online yeah so so much have a lot of free content it's a lot easier right now to become successful than it was ten years ago there's not a lot of chat rooms MIT wasn't there there's not a lot of good things so that's why you know it took them longer because yeah they were doing great trading a lot of different things there was no strategy back then yeah I was just in Jersey with Alex and like we were sitting there like high spot and we were like laughing our ass off that like how is it possible that like this like gypsy Turkish kid from Jersey and this like white Boston kid became friends like I had the ability to network with a seven-figure trader right and like same like Harry like I would never have met you now I mean like none of you people who are in all different parts of the country the world whatever like that is like the craziest thing and like today is like in a climate environment that we're able to do that whereas like imagine trying to be a trader like in 1999 like what the who the fuck are you gonna talk to like I think maybe like there was like some random chat room very fast like often paying back something like that but other than that like what are you gonna do you to move to like New York and like you figure out who you can like network with but yeah I mean you have to take advantage of this like I think the fact that that you even are profitable like this quickened in trading is like it it's just me because it's like it took me so much longer like it's so crazy right but it's like you are someone who just took such advantage of the opportunity in the world right now and like that's incredible and seriously I'm grateful to MIT because you know if this wasn't working I was like very close to you know just forget I was like okay I'm gonna just like you know put all the money into large gap and just like you know let it right because I was like you know I didn't want to waste any more of my time and the strategy work and to be honest you I also get a lot of my work ethic my hard work ethic for my dad because my hero you know he moved from Iran to Dubai when he had no money he lost everything in Iran there was a revolution and war going on so they bombed our house they you know burned down his restaurant so he moved without speaking a word of English or Arabic to Dubai and he started his own restaurant with the little money that he had so seeing that and never hearing him complain or victimize himself that oh you know I'm here you know could have been him back home never heard any word of complaint it was just like him working and you know he never had any hate towards Saddam Hussein government or anything that always was because of them I've never heard him like you know if I meet an Iraqi guy I'm not gonna hate on him because of what they've done you know because growing up that's my dad was like yeah he had a choice he could have either victimized himself oh look what they've done to us or he could have like taken his own destiny in his own hands and built his life and that's what exactly he did so I've seen those things make me realize and then you know to take advantage of the opportunities that we have you know we're living in an era that there's so much opportunity and there was absolutely no excuse whether you want to learn photography whether you want to learn what design SEO all the information is out there you could I remember when I moved to states I was living on $1500 a month and you know I was like you know doing a lot of sacrifices doing a lot of different things in order to make it you know just like coming and I think a lot of people in the developed countries they don't value the opportunities that they have they take it for granted yeah I was just in Kenya I visited a village of the Masai village these kids they were going to school they were walking seven kilometers which is like five months each way from their village to school every day to just study and here we have members complaining that you know what is Viva where when they can just go to Google and you know so opportunities that we have and we the stuff that we complain about is laughable to me and you know seeing all the struggles that my dad had so when I moved to states and I saw all these opportunities I'm like oh I can buy a house we put a 5% down payment yeah oh it's like sign me up oh I can sell my own business with like you know $250 yeah yeah but you know the amount of opportunities that there is in US it's just incredible it's like one of the best countries in the world and seeing people complain about the system is laughable to me because there are people in my country that are you know dying out of hunger dying out of you know so many different things and hearing this generation complain about the stuff that they're complaining is just unacceptable to me I'm like guys you need to travel you need to go through the world to start appreciating this stuff that you have and stop whining sure yeah yeah it is also a big problem is like definitely like people get so immersed in their own problems people get so immersed in you know their own lives that they can't see out of their their bubble or where they're living they don't understand you know that like there are like lots more going on in the world than you know your problem of oh I'm in a fight with my boss or my mom or my dad or whatever right you know some people just can't see past their own kind of where they are and how blessed they are absolutely they cannot understand and I think that is a big thing as well where you know if you're living in the United States in my opinion you are blessed if you're living in Canada right now you are blessed absolutely right you're blessed already from there the amount of opportunity that you have is insane it's astronomical and especially if you're an MIC right now you are also blessed because there are tons of other places that you could be right now that are a hell of a lot worse you know and so that's another thing you know just put in the work be patient trust the process you know if you're a short seller short into resistance don't go short you know way way way underneath VWAP don't go short you know in the wrong places be patient wait for you know your setups wait for your entry and then go and attack and I think that is like another important part is just the patience like we talked about you know if there's anything in this episode it really showed me the level of patience that you have and that you know and also your mindset and where you are in your life to be able to get there that I think a lot of people are laughing yeah I think this is like one of my favorite episodes for the reason that I think there's like a lot of emotional like good lessons and like the one thing I just texted myself that is you just said like stop victimizing yourself and I think that there's so many traders like new traders who do that they like they don't they're not first of all appreciative of the opportunity they have but they're taking stupid losses and they're basically just saying it's like the market's against them everything's against them and like they're not owning up to their own shit and saying like you know what I need to work harder like but you just said about your dad I think that's a great example like you know he had shit held dealt to him it sucked and he still like busted his ass and like worked hard and like became successful so I think all the new traders who are watching us need to like kind of write that down like stop victimizing yourself like actually put in some work and like your gun notice result like it might not be as quick as you want but some of the big losses that I've had I've never reached out to anybody to complain oh why did this happen I'm exactly why the fuck it happens because I broke my own rules and the thing is like you know when I when I post it I remember one of the big losses that I had I was like I know exactly what I did you know I'm not and the reason that I'm sharing is because I want to be transparent and I don't I'm not looking for sympathy you know I'm not looking for sympathy from anybody you know what I did I'm posting it to make myself accountable and it's just you know you gotta ego aside I'll learn it you know we all make mistakes the only thing I make sure that you know you don't repeat those mistakes again that's that's the only thing that you have to do yeah I love it I love it I think uh I think we're coming up kind of on our like hour mark yeah and I think we've jammed a lot of good fucking info in this I actually really I think this is gonna kick ass I love this I don't know if there's anything you guys want to add before you kind of wrap it up or I know I think yeah I think that this episode was great it really is the patience and you know you really need to be able to sit tight in this game and not always be slamming keys all the time and you really need a point and just for your thoughts what I would recommend as well that's something that I've done and it also affects me as well seeing these big pianos on twitter get rid of all those noise I don't have any social media I go from twitter's from time to time about I'm not active get rid of all those uh big pianos because I remember like you know seeing fey or um sir uh big yeah seeing like their pnl I was like oh my god can I make like you know that kind of money one day and you know and then starting out like you know those with me like some of my slow days you know what I mean and appreciate and just like you know just like bow says you know you're gonna go from making $100 a day to $10,000 a day you know there's a slow bro you gotta you gotta you know go step by step and everybody's journey is different you know Alex look at what I love about Alex is him and this is something that I'm still working on he knows when to size up that is a key that is like a talent that he has that you know just like on his body so he says like size the beats and sculpt the rest or something like that size is like how his pnl goes up and down you know there are days that he has like 50k and the next day he could be a $700 a day I'm like how you know amazing you know what the unicorn dude do you see that shit like I I remember being on the phone with him the day he made like 50k when the coronas uh like sector crash and I was like dude how do you go like the next day and so like you think you could make a hundred dollars or you could like lose a hundred dollars that I don't know I just fucking do like I just show up and like that's it like I just know like I'm gonna follow this this basic fucking like idiot proof process and whatever it fits out I'm gonna take whether it's 50k 100k a million or if it's 10 bucks I remember that day because I got that day off actually and the reason why I took it off is because I just saw him in chat right this is it this is the day yeah and all the other days that the EV's socks were running I never heard him say that and when I saw him say this is it this is the day I knew he was sizing up big I knew what he was doing and I just took the day off I said you know what fuck it I remember everyone asked me why did you take the day off why did you take the day off I'm like bro literally in the morning when Alex said this is it this the sector's done this is the day that it's crashing I was like okay like I should not be longing these lapses this is this is where I need to take a break and you know thankfully I avoided all losses on that day watched him have a killer 50k day I was super happy for him but I was also proud of myself to say okay absolutely he you could tell he's sizing up he didn't write in chat oh I'm sizing up I'm using you just fucking know and you know he's been trading like Alex let us know when you're sizing out yeah it's true it's funny as fuck like again like I think that comes with screen time like experience but like just knowing like this is the moment I'm going to drop my balls and I'll make this shit happen today like I mean it's fucking awesome I love it that's why he doesn't have a lot of dancers like you know just because he makes 50k he's not gonna go okay I made it so next time I'm gonna go make like 60 70k he doesn't try to keep repeating the same thing he just waits for his spot yeah really well and that's something that I'm still trying to learn from I'm like you know so that's something that I aspire to do and that's my goal name of this episode man is patience discipline and fucking uh stop victimizing yourself I love it all right well I think this definitely wraps it up so great talking to you guys yeah great talking to you brother you should go to bed but the time isn't there it's gotta be like what 3 a.m oh no it's 11 p.m oh that's it oh okay that's not bad yeah it's good oh that's not bad then I thought for some reason I thought this was like way later but yeah my girlfriend's probably bitching at me to get out of here so talking to you guys and thanks for having me again perfect yeah the episode to Harry what does it usually take like a day