 Okay, I'm going to introduce you to Esther, a friend we invited today to talk about Brazil because she knows a lot about it, because she's coming from there. She's hanging around for a couple of years already in Germany and is doing an awesome interesting PhD about DNA of bugs, and she's an anarchist, she's interested in anarchist theory and environmental topics, so that's how it comes, all of that together to the presentation today. And yeah, you have the word. Thank you. So first of all, thank you for the invitation, and thank you all for being here. So it's a pleasure, and it's a light in my face. So welcome, I'm sorry if I commit some mistake, I'm a bit excited. But let's start this theme. This is not so nice, but August 2019, Amazonian forest burns. The smoke covers some cities in the north region of Brazil. Here you can see some pictures from some cities in the state of Hondonia. The fire could be seen on the roads. Here we have some satellite images from NASA, from 11th August 2019. So you can see some smoke points in the states of Amazonas, Pará, Hondonia, Matogrosso, also in Bolivia. And in 13th August you can see more points of smoke in the state of Matogrosso and Pará. And in this map you can see the smoke river that comes from the north and goes through the south. Soon the smoke river was formed, and the smoke river followed the southeastern part of the country and went to the most southern regions, going to the ocean. On 19th August, Sao Paulo became night at 4 p.m. I smoke fog covered the complete mega city and it rained, it rained black water. You can see a satellite photo from NASA, from the smoke river. How does it happen? So here we have some explanations from both Sonaras, the president. First he said, it's normal. It's dry season there, he means amazing. It's dry season there, that's real. And fire is actually a bit normal, but this was 200 percent more than what we have seen for the last year and it was above the average of the years. Then he said something like, what can I do? There's no army there. And then he said that the environmental ONGs were doing that on purpose, to incriminate him because they don't have money anymore. So can you believe that the environmental ONGs would put fire in the mason because they don't get finance aid anymore? But until then, the burn of the Amazon was not in the international media, it was just in the regional media in Brazil. And some days later when it arrives to Sao Paulo, it was in the media in the country, but it was not such a huge international appeal, but it changed. And then some explanations needed to be provided. Sonaras said to a journalist, you, he means European, you destroyed all your forests. Which moral do you have to say something to Brazil? So apparently this would be an explanation for something. And after attacking the media, he also attacked Macron and they fight on Twitter. It was quite interesting. And he said that it's very sad that Macron wants to use this sad news of burning of Amazon to his own political interests. But I'm not going to talk a lot about Bolsonaro and his fight with other countries because of that, because Amazon is burning. And we have to ask why. I don't know why these lines appear here, so I'm sorry for that. Just ignore it. So we can ask ourselves, why is Amazon burning? Nature calls because it's dry season. And yes, there is a normal fire cycle. So if you haven't heard, there is an ecological field of studies that it's called fire ecology. So fire can have and has a very important role in keeping biodiversity in some regions, in some biomes. But not huge fire, but localized points of fire, so natural fire. That of course, because it's dry season and the vegetation is very dry. But in Amazon we cannot explain what's happening, what happened, just with this natural fire, natural cycle of fire, especially because Amazon is raining forest. So why is Amazon so dry? Because of human calls? So we have the flora station. The flora station is amazing. It's huge. This year it was a record of the flora station in Amazon again. And the flora station makes the forest drier. Why? Because when you cut the trees, you're having less trees to transport. The trees, they transport and they take the water at the soil and bring it to the atmosphere. And they create real atmosphere rivers. Rivers that flows and control and organize all the atmosphere in South America and in the world. So when you cut the trees, you have less wet in the atmosphere. And it's why you have more dry in the raining forest. And it's why you have less raining. Burning trash, because burning trash is a kind of habit of some people in some regions where there is no good management of trash. So these places, they accumulate trash and there is not a good government organizing management of trash. So they burn the trash and this happens especially in Amazon region in the cities. But this cannot explain why natural reserves were burning. Burning land to create pasture, to put cattle, to create cows. This is very typical and this can explain a lot and we're going to give a look. So actually this dry season in Amazonia is also connected to induced fire from farmers because they want to burn land to create new pastures because after burning a piece of land, a grass, a very fresh and green grass will quickly be born and so the cows, they can eat this very nicely. So a lot of people does it. Also to open the forest, to take away the forest to plant. But you have to remember that most part of the land who are burning are natural reserves, unnatural forests and also indigenous territory. So what's happening? Burning areas for agribusiness, especially for plant soil and having cattle. This is also part of this. We're going to focus more on this, every of these topics. Probably a mix of both. We can imagine this dry season deforestation is a huge level, it's a huge level and people usually burn land to make pasture. So of course fire gets uncontrolled and it can be criminal. People can put this fire to criminally burn forests. But probably this fires in Amazonia has a huge participation of human cause. We have humans burning the forest. We're going to discuss why. To remember I said this, this most part of the forest burned was part of natural reserves and indigenous territories. So here I brought some graphics for you. This first one, it's the rate of deforestation in some years in the so-called legal Amazonia. Legal Amazonia is the part of Amazonia that is in the law recognized as the Amazonian. So you can see that we have a huge peak in 95 and this can be explained by this was the year of the one year after the real plan, the new currents in Brazil. They also started to get a lot of agricultural credit, of course for big agriculture industries. And you can see the other big peak is in 2002 to 2005. This is known as the boom and we're going to talk about this soon. And here you can see it's the second graphic is fire counts in the period of 2012 and 2018 and in red 2019. So we have not finished the year yet but we can see a very accentuated curve. So we haven't finished the year but it's a red record. Yes, put again. I can give you also the places where to find the other graphics. There are much more graphics also if you want later. Feel free to photograph us. So but then we heard about the so-called the day of the fire. So in 50 August a local newspaper in this region here that I reported in the slides a local newspaper called Folha do Progresso reported that local farmers wants to burn forests on 10th August to show the president they want to work. In this report in this newspaper the farmers were saying we need to show the president that we want to work and the only way is tearing down the forest. The only way to clean the forest and form the pasture is with fire. And you can see here we have a graphic from the region from Nova Progresso region in the state of Hondonia or sorry of Pará. And in Nova Progresso you can see the fires the number of fire registers in reports in every day of the month. And after the 10th of August and 11th it became even more accentuated. So they were happening more and more fire. This was just reported in this small Folha do Progresso newspaper and it's not real clear what was happening was really that some people some big farmers they wanted to burn the Amazon. And here we're going to talk about why this farmers wants to burn the Amazon forest. Why people burn the Amazon forest in Brazil. First I want to show you the main cause of the forestation in the Brazilian Amazon. This graphic is between 2000 to 2005 and you can see that cattle ranching was the main reason. So between 65 to 70 percent of the deforested land were used to cattle ranching mainly to produce meat. So Amazonian Amazon is becoming a huge pasture. And in the second place we have small scale agriculture. So in Amazon the most part of the agriculture there is soybeans. It's producing soybeans because the land is also not very well not suitable for all many kinds of cultures because the soil is maintained by the forest. When the forest is not there the soil also doesn't have a lot of substrate and nutrients. So the forest they keep the weather and they keep the soil. So something that grows in Amazon is soybeans and soybeans is something very important to Brazilian economies because Brazil exports mainly soybeans. And the second the third was large scale agriculture and then others and logging to make wood you know to sell wood. And here we have what I called I told you the soybeans. So you can see that between 2002 and 2005 it was a huge a boon of soy production. Brazil started to produce a lot of soy and this production of soy was related to a huge deforestation amazing forest because most part of the soybeans are planted there. But why so much soy? Can you imagine this? We need so much tofu and soybeans. Do you think why what are we doing with so much soybeans? So about 97 percent according to some research some research says something about 85 percent. I used of soybeans I used to feed animals. So the soybeans are not used to to people to human food but to cattle to animal food. So you have in Amazonian you have land that is being destroyed by produce meat or by produce soybeans to produce meat. And this is real. Here I brought to you the most biggest exportation products of Brazil. You can see that iron ore is something very important and that Brazil exports a lot and iron ore is also very connected to amazing deforestation and amazing degradation because a huge part of the iron ore reserves in Brazil are concentrated in Amazon area and I'm going to show you some mines later. Then we have the soybeans which is also a huge cause of amazing deforestation and then if you look here you have exportation of meat of course Brazil also eats a lot of meat but it exports also a lot of meat. Here we have some photos of meat production in Brazil. So all these white cows they are for meat production the cows they are treated like this. The cows they are used to produce meat are treated somewhere else. And this species not species this type of cow is used to produce meat. And here there is a map where this meat is usually sand in the middle. I have some graphics but I didn't put here but if you are interested I have some graphics about the meat destination. So and now we're going to talk about Bolsonaro environmental policy. Bolsonaro doesn't like environmental fines. He doesn't think this is necessary. So he is against all the environmental fines you know bills that you have to pay if you commit an environmental crime. He thinks that this is not necessary. Actually he got an environmental fine in 2012 because he was fishing in a protected nature reserve but he never paid this fine. He said that Brazilian has an environmental fine industry that just destroys the men of the land. I don't know if he knows who are the men of the land in Brazil but now he's planning to use this place where he was illegally fishing and it is a natural reserve to create a fishing reserve to create a fishing resort. Great. He's like a child. But I think childs are not like that. Okay. He promised during his campaign less fines for miners, loggers and big farmers especially in the Amazon region so they could defrostate more and have less problems with environmental law. He wanted to finish the Ministry of the Environment but after a lot of social pressure he decided to fuse it with the Ministry of the Environment with the Agriculture Ministry. But you have to note that the Agriculture Ministry favored the agribusiness lobby so to fuse the Ministry of Environment with the Agriculture Ministry is to give the power of decisions to agribusiness. This is what's happening. He's also not really interested in found Obama. Obama is the Brazilian Federal Institute for Environment and Obama is responsible for protecting the natural reserves and to fiscalize all the environmental crimes that have been committed and to give the fines. So he is not really interested in Obama and he fired the director of IMP. IMP is the National Space Institute. It's a kind of Brazilian NASA and he fired the director because the director of IMP he made public data, he made data public, he made public data. So in the increase of Amazonian deforestation for some months ago, a bit before the Amazon started to burn, this director he just gave this data to the media and it was a big scandal that the rates were new records and Bolsonaro fired him because he said this was not a patriotic act and you know of course if you want to be patriotic you have to lie to yourself and to science too. So and he also approved many new agrotoxics to be used in agriculture. Many of them are banished in Europe and in the US because they can be heavily potential damage to human health but now it's approved so you can use whatever you want and Bolsonaro has his environmental minister Ricardo Salis. Ricardo Salis is the ex-environment secretary of Sao Paulo and he was condemned by environmental crime because he was faking maps to make natural reserves unit is a bit smaller and as minister Salis extinguished the secretary of climate change and forests so it doesn't exist anymore because climate change doesn't exist right and who cares about forests. Now I will teach you how to steal a piece of Amazon forest this is a technique used by Brazilian land owners so huge land owners this is it's not one of us and it's called grillagem so you have to learn this word because it's important grillagem first so our grillagem tutorial first you have to be rich because if you're not rich you're not going to do this you have to be rich and you have to find public land without document without a ownership document what's not not difficult in the Amazon region because many lands doesn't really have it's a bit unsure which land belongs to who the lands that doesn't belong to someone it belongs to the union to the country so you find this land then you falsify lands ownership document and make it seems that this land was belonging to your family a long time ago so you pay someone basically to do this and then you burn the land because if there is no forest there is no natural protective law and you can use this land as you want so you burn this land also just to say that your family owners this owns this land for a long time and there is no forest anymore there and then you get the government to recognize your fake document and then you make your pasture it bring your cattle and you continue to be rich so this in some way of course I make it very simple it's how grillaging works and this is a huge problem in Brazil because a lot of land a big part of Brazilian land was steered by this process so we can ask ourselves was this fire in amazing in 2019 was was it part of an organized environmental crime with the goal of grilla public land to steal public land because you have to remember most part of the lands for burning were public land no one no no agribusiness land was really funny so we can ask ourselves who owns the land or how I like to call it property stuff and then I will I would like to remember with you a small little history once upon a time there was land an entire new world this is an old map of American continent by Theodor Debre I don't know his name and some people wanted to colonize this land and two of the sail nations who was who were really navigating and colonizing land were Portugal and Spain and Portugal in space so they knew that there was America continent they knew there was some land there they wanted this land and then we are not going to to talk a lot about this piece of the history but there are many financial interests and the starting of capitalism I believe you all know this this history but they all started some kind of conflict between Portugal and Spain so in 1494 Spain and Portugal crown crown crowns went to the pope and they together they made a kind of agreement it's called trity of Todesillas and the pope divided the world between the crown of Portugal and Spain so the pope and Portugal and Spain created this line which called the Todesillas line which divided the world between Portugal and Spain can you believe that the pope divided the entire world between two persons I will repeat wait the pope divided the world between two persons yes but then some decades after it I think they realized that the world is is a globe and then they needed a second line to divide it into two so this second line was done and this was how God divided the new land between Portugal and Spain the king of Portugal knew that he needed to colonize this land before other countries like England Holland other European countries that were really angry because the pope forgot about it that they would come and colonize the world so the Portugal king had a kind of you know a line and he like made lines you see in his in this part of was Brazil I come back a little bit oops sorry so this part was Portugal part and the king take his rule his rule his linear and draw some lines and he gave each kind of these lines to a noble Portuguese person great idea right this would work I think so you can build can imagine that land concentration in Brazil was really a huge problem yeah because like first the world was divided between two people and then it was a kind of 10 people was running in Brazil so then we're going to talk about a little bit about lands concentration and development of capitalism so the capitalist development in Europe and the USA it had some kind of level some level of land reform and this was not because they were nice it was because it was very important for capitalist development in Europe for example in England and in France we had many peasants revolt especially in the middle age and so and during this the capitalist development the bourgeoisie made a kind of agreement with the peasants against the federal laws and this resulted that there was some kind of distribution of land you know not equal not for all but it was a little bit more and this was also important to create a internal market so now I would like to compare the development of capitalism between Brazil and us and see some points about land distribution and lands concentration so in the US I was starting the US sorry the US there was during the civil war you can see that the northern bourgeoisie was against the enslaved land owners of the south so then you have the typical bourgeoisie that would be become the industrial capitalists against the typical land owner or federal or the most kind of the north winds and they create the homestead acts and the homestead acts created some level of land reform some level of land division in the country with the end of the war there was the end of slavery with slavery was very important for the land owners of south but not to make didn't make a lot of sin for the the bourgeoisie the new bourgeoisie in the country and it creates this division of land creates a kind of internal market and we have the classic hip tour between the industrial capitalists and land owners that was very similar to what happened in Europe as in England or France for example in Brazil there was no land reform there was no focus on creating internal market on the contrary the focus was always on exportation of agricultural products and raw material especially first sugar second coffee and turn meat more recently so the land owners sorry for this wrong the land owners they became the industrial capitalists they were not fighting against them they became them and there was no rupture between these two segments but a conversion as a result we have no distribution of land there was no land reform in the capitalist shape and there was the longer slavery of the world and the land's monopoly is really high in the country and I think in the South America it's a bit like this so less than one percent of land owners in Brazil own 45 percent of the country's rural area men are ahead with men are ahead of 87 percent of the establishment representing almost 90 percent 95 percent of farms large farms with over 1000 hectares concentrate 40 43 percent of agricultural credit what it means is that these big land owners are the ones who have become who are we receiving finance to agriculture in the land not the small farmer family but the agribusiness do you understand what I call agribusiness right or should I explain better agribusiness I mean the big agricultural agricultural industry so okay large farms are being more financed but the small farmers families are the responsibles for over 70 percent of food production who is producing food are not the big land owners are not the large fund you are not the agribusiness are the small farmers families agribusiness does not produce food agribusiness is what we call in brazil is like fundia is like fund you they are they have also historical conflict with small farmers and indigenous at news so if agribusiness is not producing food what they were producing I think you get already what they are producing right so historical about land reform discussions in brazil in the 40s there was already some kind of proposals of land reform based on european and u.s american acts but there was no implementation in the 50 and 60 there were an increase of popular oppression for the so-called basic reforms the basic reforms were not just land reform but there were political reform there was some kind of economical reform it was a package but land reform was one of the most important topics inside of it in between 1946 and 1962 there was the foundation of the so-called league as components that you make may know as peasants leagues so the peasant leagues were kind of land workers union for land and reform they had communist and socialist base and they there was some communist parties involved organizing and helping so being part of the so-called league as companies as for example pcb a party the communist brazilian the communist party they demand sorry land reform in a more socialist shape not just not just this capitalist reform but a socialist idea of land reform they started in north brazil but soon they had sales through the entire country they started like more like a workers union but there was a kind of radicalization of the movement and they started occupating land and to have clashes with the police this was in 62 and that the league as companies as well a bit more organized and what we had in 64 we had the coup d'etat sorry i don't know how to say this pretend i say it correctly so in 1964 the leftist president jungler also called known as jungle wanted to install the so-called basic reforms this packet of reforms that we already talked about that was including also some land reform but in right wing they know that the leftist groups were well organized in brazil in the time for example the league as companies and also others and you know they were they were still traumatized by the cuban revolution i forgot the name the brazilian right wing well really it was really afraid that some kind of a communist socialist revolution also of course in brazil and brazil is a huge country so it would be a big problem for them they would lose all the grill others the grill the grill age lands that they already had so the military coup d'etat in 1964 it they they they did this military coup so they took the government the military took the government is in march in starting april first april 1964 and they said it was to avoid the communist threat in brazil and it was supported by the usa and then this day it's called it's known in brazil as the day that lasted 21 years because they said they would take the government just for one day to avoid this communist president that wants to make land reform but actually they stayed in the power for 21 21 years so this is called the day that lasted 21 years and the military dictatorship started attacking the ligas camponeses the company the peasant leagues so the ligas camponeses were persecuted many members were imprisoned and also murdered and between 1962 and 1989 about 1566 hurrah workers were murdered and they had to withdraw the fights so they were forced to withdraw but they stayed in the rural resistance against dictatorship and in brazil we talk a lot about the urban resistance during the dictatorship time but there was also a huge rural rural resistance during the time and these people were there actually i wanted to go a bit further this this part of the history of course you can imagine it's really huge and there are many topics to to to be talked but we are going to make it short after 1980 with the so-called redemocratization process some modern versions of the peasant movements were created and the one of them it's not the only one but the one of them and the biggest one and the well-known one it's called mst mst landless workers movement and the landless workers movement they have a very marxist base so they are also very influenced by the workers parties by peter the the party that was in the government before Bolsonaro it was also the impeachment of Dilma Dilma comes from PT and it's a party that it started as leftist and we have a lot of criticism about this party of course but this is also something that is said that this movement is also so connected to this party when we analyze this with a nakis point of view because this part uses many times this movement they are for popular land reform and they occupy they they also occupy land as the previous leaders companies and they occupy all known they occupy non-productive farmer land and they start they fight to have this land for its for this family so there are many different so mst is really huge there are many families inside of it some families they already got some some lands some we call the sentimentals and some are still fighting for it and they are always occupying out of the land also and they also they do a lot of different kind of acts they do a lot of different kinds of activism also but they also produced this families they produce about 70 percent of all the food in the country and they are the biggest producer of organic food in the country and they have many kind of food street market so if you if you go to brazil one day you may see some kind of food food street market and they they produce they are not 100 percent organic but they are studying to become even more and i think they are about 80 percent organic uh yeah so there are many other kind more than present movements but i'm not going to cover all of them so we will just show you some an example there are some other movements there are more autonome autonomous and not so directed close to to parties but we are not going to to see that in detail and they have also the indigenous movement so the indigenous reserves they have very well preserved forests they the indigenous uh the forests inside of indigenous land are the ones that are more preserved while the deforestation rates in brazil it's about 20 percent if you look just inside of indigenous land the deforestation rate is about 1.9 percent and the indigenous people in brazil have a lot of conflict with miners lodgers so people who want wood and with the agribusiness and there are many deficits lot of it's very violent these clashes in this conflict um Bolsonaro's government wants to reveal the extension of some indigenous land already regularized and he also proposed many times the economical exploration of indigenous land and natural reserves here we can see the march of indigenous women in brazil this year just to illustrate and as i told you the mine industry is going even more in the north uh in the way of north so the largest iron ore mine in the world is located inside of a natural reserve in the meson forest and it's called Carajas mine Bolsonaro government also wants to explore a huge copper mine uh area called Henca in a protected region in para amazem is there are also some indigenous land there and another mine is also being discussed it's a niobium mine in the indigenous reserve of raposa serra do sol in roraima also in meson region i don't know if you have seen in the media the disaster so the the problems with the mines that have exploded and killed some people and destroyed some village they are all iron ore mines and iron ore mines are concentrated in the state of minageries where i come from and the state of amazonia and uh in the amazonas region not just in the state of amazonia and as i show you showed you iron ore is one of the most important exportation product in brazil so of course they want to explore it a niobium i don't know if you have already heard about it but it's a huge discussion because actually brazil is already bigger product of niobium and the market doesn't need a lot of it but Bolsonaro thinks that it's a good idea to destroy a huge part of meson forest to produce more niobium also when a lot of specialists experts already told him that if he does it the niobium price would be very low because a lot of new niobium would be available to the industry and the industry use just a little bit of niobium to work with iron so they just they just need a little bit they just missed a lot but Bolsonaro said that it's still a good idea because we can also do jewellery with niobium so to finalize i wanted to come back to some questions of the land i wanted at at the beginning i wanted to go more into brazilian fascism but i imagine it would be very very long and i imagine that you already know a lot about fascism and how it developed and i imagine amazonia and ecological questions are a bit more important but we can do this another time it would be very happy so i'm not going to to go to the history of fascism but let's do some comments first i wanted to make very clear to say very clear that agribusiness does not fit the world the huge agricultural industry they are not fitting the world they are producing soybeans and meat and killing us capitalism is not just producing what we need actually capitalism is making us need things that they want to produce or that they can produce and there is no green capitalism unfortunately if you want to think about there is no green capitalism capitalism is the opposite of a green idea we cannot change it to make it make to make it green because it's not just local it's a global thing and capitalism needs to give product to one capitalism needs to destroy a huge place and if it's not happening here and it's happening there if not happening there it's happening there someone needs to pay the price and this is capitalism so there is no green capitalism there is no way that we can reform it to make it more ecological and there is no sustainable development inside capitalism land is equal to autonomy we just have autonomy if you have land if you can work with land we can have our own way to work with land and land autonomy should be a rumor human rights i don't know if it is but if it's not should be because we have the not just we but all living creatures that lives in this planet should be should have the right to get their living from the planet without destroying it without creating an ecological disasters we can do it protect nature is fight capitalism we cannot be okay with capitalism and trying to protect nature at the same time because it's not how's it work and we have to fight capitalism also needs fascist shape and not just trying to reform it coming back to Bolsonaro and amazing yes Bolsonaro he represents nowadays the austerity and fascist face of capitalism in brazil he's the well-known fascist idiot from brazil right can you say other name i back now and Bolsonaro wants yes he wants to continue the capitalist plan to conquer the land because land is autonomy if land does not just belong to capitalist purpose we don't have autonomy and great no and to do that capitalism will destroy forests will burn the Amazon will burn all the forests indigenous peoples more farmers and all other alternative also called the traditional ways of existence and production until it just least capitalist production production and we can just leave inside of what they planned for us and of course Bolsonaro he has this plan this horrible environmental policy but do you think he kind of he came with this idea alone of course not he just represents capitalism now and it's what i wanted to make it very clear Bolsonaro is very well known as an eccentric characters and it says that he was crazy like Trump Trump and Bolsonaro they represent what's happening capitalism right now as also AFD represents what's happening so this represents a new fastest way if a new fastest reason rising in this austerity times he's not just a crazy character and this is i think it's very important to say because if we just make it a point Bolsonaro is crazy of course he's a joke but also now he's crazy we are not seeing a completely structure that led Bolsonaro to to be the president so he did not come with this idea alone he represents capitalism now and most part of this trend this trend of destroying the nature and to capitalist purpose could be seeing other former governments right Bolsonaro is doing his his part in the moment in the historical moment that it's everything is allowed and of course he's a joke so this is what i wanted to bring to you and i'm really curious if you have some comments or questions or discussions yeah thanks a lot i have the microphone so if anybody has a question thanks a lot for the talk very insightful i just remember before the elections there were some newspapers in germany reporting that was narrow it's like the candidate of the market which was something the Deutsche Bank was saying do you know anything about how banks in especially german banks or from the US also profit from this new type or this increased destruction of amazon so not i think it's not only the rich people of brazil who are profiting from it but i think there is some international support from other institutions can you yeah do you know anything about this no of course the profit of destroying amazons not just brazilian profit a lot of capitalists in all of the world is profiting i cannot tell you one bank the name of one bank that is profiting from it i do not know what i know was that i think espada was supporting Bolsonaro a little bit before he was in his campaign and soon they said oh no Bolsonaro is horrible and don't help Bolsonaro don't help fascists it's like what they're supporting so i know more this involved this this this relationship between spd and Bolsonaro also they helped his son to organize some propaganda from his like some advertisement for his campaign but a specific bank i cannot not really tell you so i'm not sure sorry more questions um do you believe Bolsonaro will be reelected oh yeah um actually this is a question that i make i ask myself sometimes but um what i i have seen is that some some people that vote for Bolsonaro are really disappointed with his government but i have not seen researchers opinion researchers to ask how much is his popularity i i i read that his popularity at the beginning of his government dropped a little bit but i don't know how intense it was actually i will better respond this question because i'm i'm flying to bruceal next week so i really hope i can get a better um idea of what's going on and if Bolsonaro can be reelected i hope not of course but many people really advocate for him and he has a huge fan base like he's a youtuber as you know Bolsonaro is quite a youtuber guy and he has a huge fan base and many many people vote for him many people believe that Bolsonaro will correct Brazil but more in a more moral way you know because i think many of social movements they they gone they got stronger in the last time last last year so the feminist movement the LGBT movement the there was also there were many more laws for for example domestic uh women that working house for rich people with this the middle class the rich class hated it so this they advocated a lot that this was a destruction of the ethical moral values of Brazil and all this religion appears so and Bolsonaro always he put himself as um the guy that believes in god and makes everything for god that they want to keep the the values and the moral and they this ethic high so many people just i think they just see that you know so you went a little bit into the landless workers movement but what else do you think is happening in terms of resistance also in terms of ecological resistance and what do you think are the best sort of strategies to approach this new sort of like fascism and also like the ecological destruction good question there were some protests and people were protesting for amazonia and against Bolsonaro there were many kind of protests and in brazil is one of the countries that more killed more environmental activists so the number of environmental activists that were killed in brazil is really high and to really go to these areas to the mason region or to areas that really have a huge conflict between minors loggers and agribusiness and native people embassy is really really violent so very violent areas so i think the the ones that are not doing this are many kinds of ONG's and they it's why Bolsonaro also hates ONG's you know if something happens now if the light goes back Bolsonaro will say that was an ONG so he really hates it because i think they are the ones that are doing something so the foundations are not there so the amazonia foundation is at risk so we don't know how much money we have to today iberma and the same bio people to go to these areas and do their job and a kind of autonomous ecological there are many kind of ecological movements but i i don't know how effective it can be and how with how can we arrange or can we take be strong to be against that because it's it's really huge power that these people have and autonomous ecological movement i don't i don't know many of them but more like mst is huge and out of like the peace and wwf this kind of movement i don't know others a lot of others i don't really know but i how we can make it works i it's a good question i think we have to really have more this culture of being involved with environmental fight because like when we live in the the cities we sometimes we don't have a lot of don't know a lot about it and you don't know what people are doing i also don't know everything what's going there and also we don't have this idea so we cannot help them so a lot of people are dying there of ecological activists and so and we don't even know that's all you cannot answer your question is there's a hand or i think i've read something about the bolsner regime also being connected to evangelical evangelical christ like christians but in a really radical way can you tell us something about that yeah yeah the this neo pentecostal religions are very strong in brazil they always become stronger so and they they have this idea of making like kind of evangelical brazil i think it's very connected to this this question of morals that the moral the ethic is being destroyed by the minorities movements and they have to keep this this moral high so in brazil there are there is there are many in the parliament there are many congress people they are related directly related to church and church are huge industries in brazil so they have they don't pay fees and they have a lot of power so they go deep deep into people's head and they also do like for example now the all the drugs against drugs institution are commanded by by religious people so it's not the the social service that is doing the anti drugs work like taking the people that are really addicted to drugs and helping them but the church doing this and of course they do not does not do that but they also catechize people and i know many people that went through drugs rehabilitation and became really religious fanatics it's a kind of scary but they have a lot of power they have many for example television channels many television channels are owned by church and also industries and they have a lot of congress people inside of parliament that are priests and they come from these church and in brazil there is this people say that they there is this big congress people group that is the bullet bible and cat so they they work with cat bullets because many of them also have connected connections to militias and to military and so and also bible so it's very important there i don't know exactly i forgot which church bosonado belongs but he always bring this church discourse this religious discourse speech at the time a bit like trump okay if there are no more question then we call it the evening and i think uh you have a question a short question at the end and do you have any social media channels where you can get some information from you about from me yeah because you have a lot of information i think thank you so for me i don't really use social media but you can if you if you want more information i can give you some indications of medias but they usually are portuguese so i have to one one place where i read very good political analysis but not really from this environmental part but more like bosonado and also the pitch move on jimma and how the pitch move on of jimma is connected to bosonado was on crime thing they have really good analysis so some people from brazil they also write texts for them i think because some texts they have seen in other anarchist blogs before and they went to crime things so they have really good material and about ecology i can give you some some links later but i have to think about it regarding your question i have one tip it's a journalist which is actually a correspondent a free correspondent in sau paulo he's called nicholas trance and he has a twitter account and he tweets regularly about news from brazil regarding indigenous movement women's movement and problems with the government i have some like a kind of i prepare the kind of links it's not very well organized but if you want if some of you you can just copy this from my computer there are some links some tests in portuguese and some tests in in england in english and from some different blogs from some anarchist blogs from some normal newspaper so if you want you can also copy this in my computer okay then thanks a lot for your talk again and uh yeah thanks for all of you being here i think you will be here a few more minutes if some more questions pop up sure thank you