 Suffering is almost a catalyst, right, to push us on the path and what I see happen on a collective level more and more people are suffering because there's something bigger happen. Let's talk from the spiritual perspective There's the divine force, the super mental consciousness, if Sri Aurobindo, as Sri Aurobindo from Integral Yoga would say, it's trying to anchor itself during this time of transition, right? But it is bringing up everything that is not aligned with truth, right? So it is not this like all of a sudden everything will be in paradise, but it brings up everything we have not looked at, we haven't felt, we have avoided and lot of a lot of people that is very intense, they're going through a lot of tribulations, you know, and their personal lives emotionally, but it needs the best leads to clear itself, right? Within so we can truly anchor the divine and that's just a very intense process right now. Boom, what's up everyone? Welcome to simulation. I'm your host Alan Sakyan. We are on site in the beautiful Topanga, California. We are now going to be talking about spiritual awakening. We have Bernard Boonthir joining us on the show. Hi Bernard. Hey Alan, thanks for having me on again. For round three this time. Round three. Yeah, that's what happens. Our spirits go and level up, and then they come back and engage and see what has evolved. What has transpired? What has transpired? Yes, yes. For those who don't know Bernard's background, Bernard is the founder of Piercing the Veil of Reality, which is a collection of various articles, videos and essays ranging from esotericism, the occult, psychology, history, and shamanism, relating to the matrix control system, the process of awakening, the evolution of consciousness, and the time of transition we are in right now, you can find the link in the bio below to veilofreality.com, as well as the YouTube page. Alright Bernard, it's been a lot of fun evolving for me since the last time we talked on the show. I've definitely had a deeper, more divine connection to source, to all that is, to that oneness, to that feeling, and it's been so beautiful that it's even become this first principle thing, that I'm just starting to say, how ridiculous is it that so many of us are disconnected from that source? We're so disconnected from that nature, and even the indigenous wisdom around the world are saying that same thing, that our disconnection from that nature is the reason why we have all of the issues that have arisen in our world. Will you speak about the connection to source, what that is for you, and also our disconnection from nature? Yeah, it is all interrelated connection to source, then we bring in words like the divine or God, which God in itself can be quite a trigger word. It has been for me in my own process, because I feel all of us have become disillusioned or disappointed with dogmatic religion, the major religions of this God outside ourselves. Supposedly this authority ruling over us and punishing us if we're sinful, and we see how much damage, death and disaster, dogmatic religion has created over the years of the missionaries and all of that. So I can understand that people remove themselves from anything to do with anything divine or God, and then people jump the ship and become atheists, so to speak, right, in the materialistic view. Shift to the other polarity? But then, as I like to say, the baby's being thrown out with the bathwater. And in my own process I've always had deeper work, psychological work, spiritual work as well, but then throughout the years I've also came face to face with the divine of God and aligning with this higher power. And seeing there's something else I need to align myself with, and that is the divine to let the divine work through me, like a vessel, like a channel. But it is nothing outside of myself. By the way, it is outside of myself inside that it is all that is. It's pantheism, all is God. Exactly, and it expresses itself, herself, herself in various disguises, you know, and we're just playing this hide and seek. But our world, you know, we're also in the dark ages, the Kali Yuga, where we're very much removed from God, from the divine, which we can never be fully separated from. It's just the illusion, but we live in the world, our modern world, the first world we're so proud of, we're just so removed from nature and spirit. You know, we live in a very artificial life that is not in tune of who we truly are. And that's how also, you know, these forces, what I talk about, the matrix control system, other cold forces, how they operate to keep us spiritually retarded, so to speak, right? To keep us spiritually disconnected so they can use us as a food source through the manipulations and all of that. And, you know, keep us polarizing each other, keep us in constant conflict, fear, physical survival, and divide and conquer is the name of the game, which we see nowadays, you know, especially, you know, that's a whole other topic, but in the political sphere, the polarization is just insane. Left versus right and all of that and the friction. But, you know, and I see a lot of what people are going through, what the reason they're suffering, their various causes. We have all our wounds and traumas and all of that, but it's also because we're trying to adjust to a world that's completely out of tune with nature and spirit. And I think I might have used the quote before on your show, trying to repeat Krishnamurti. It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. And I feel a lot of people, they're dealing with quote-unquote depression, quote-unquote mental illness. I say quote-unquote because for me, it's not something mental, it's just a spiritual disease, a spiritual disconnection. And depression or anything we feel, you know, about ourselves, our lives is not necessarily a mental illness. Or let alone a chemical imbalance. It's just a soul's cry to adjust to a world where pathology has become normalized, to not do that. So depression is actually a healthy response of an intact spiritual immune system. And that needs to be an internal adjustment. And the whole point like we want to also transcend the whole, you know, what we all want to transcend or go over is suffering. Nobody wants to suffer. We don't want to see suffering in the world. We don't like to suffer. The more that we feel depression, that's the immune system's response to our spiritual fragmentation. And the more that we can observe that and really realize it, the more we can readjust ourselves back to that divine connection to source. And then the spiritual fragmentation heals and the depression heals. Yeah, it's like, okay, that's kind of simplified view, but definitely there's truth to that. But you know, if depression can also be related to everyday stuff, like also wounds and traumas, which we carry to varying degrees. You know, I've talked about this a lot with my wife, Laura. We have done several podcasts about it, about trauma. And trauma, we all trauma ties to varying degrees, wounded, right? Trauma, the root word is wound. And it can be big tea trauma, severe trauma. Some of us have experience in childhood, physical, sexual abuse and all of that, right? But all of us carry little tea traumas just because none of our parents have been perfect. You know, we everyday stress, relationship issues, whatever can create. We take on a lot of stuff, right? And we never fully process it emotionally. So that can also result in depression later on because we haven't really allowed ourselves to feel certain feelings we don't feel comfortable with. We avoid, we avoid, right? It's the constant pursuit of pleasure, avoidance of pain. And then it gets manifested in the body. It gets stuck away into the unconscious, into the shadow, like in Jungian psychology. But at some point it has to resolve itself, it has to come out. And if we don't do it consciously, it can result also in psychological, quote-unquote, issues, depression and whatnot. And our greatest traumas actually have the greatest treasures on the other side of them. Exactly, that's what I mentioned before. There's a whole paradox, which I noticed too. Like we all want to transcend suffering. We don't want to suffer. And through spiritual work, deep psychotherapeutic work, somatic work and then sensory spiritual work, we can then transcend suffering, right? To connect with who we truly are. But ironically, in the same sense, I see myself without suffering. Suffering is almost a catalyst, right? To push us on the path. And what I see happen on a collective level, more and more people are suffering. Because there's something bigger happening. Let's talk from the spiritual perspective. There's the divine force, the super mental consciousness. If Shri Aurobindo from Indigoyoga would say it's trying to anchor itself during this time of transition, right? But it is bringing up everything that is not aligned with truth, right? So it is not this, like all of a sudden everything will be in paradise. But it brings up everything we have not looked at, we haven't felt, we have avoided. And a lot of people, that is very intense. They're going through a lot of tribulations, you know? And their personal lives emotionally. But it needs the best of it to clear itself, right? Within so we can truly anchor the divine. And that's just a very intense process right now. And I see what's happening in the world. It's over and over the same people get distracted by the shadows on the wall. They're influenced by forces or cold forces they have no awareness of. They fall into this dividing conca trap and mistake symptoms for causes. And Bernard, it serves its purpose. It serves the evil, it serves its purpose. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like the quote unquote evil, these forces, whatever you may see from a physical or a hyperdimensional perspective. If you also study any, complete as a tech teaching, have the teaching function in the bigger picture of the evolution of consciousness. Right? They like to say they test your sincerity. And they tag into wherever you have your blind spots and wounds and traumas already. So you can utilize them if you have more of a deep awareness or cold awareness, understand universal laws. Most importantly, take self-responsibility that is key. Because the matrix control system operates at an unseen level. They feed off of the victim blame trap. Yes. Right? It's all like self-pity victim and we always want to blame something outside ourselves. So we need to take self-responsibility. We did the whole second episode on sincere self-work. Exactly. That kind of ties into that. Right? And then we can use it as a catalyst for the alchemical transmutation because any conflict creates friction. But there's an opportunity. Even with everything that's happening right now, there's an opportunity. But it's so important to spiritualize our being. And that goes back to like, we can do the best of any social changes, institutions, new systems and all of that. But nothing will change until we take a deep look within and spiritualize our being. And that brings up the question, what is your relationship with the divine and God? What does it mean? Right? Yes. What a fundamental question. That's the biggest tip. It is. What is wrong with our society where we're not all running around all the time, asking ourselves and each other what is your relationship with the divine? Yeah. If we were doing that, we wouldn't have a profoundly sick society that we're adjusted to. We would have a society that's filled with people that are trying to understand what is the purpose of the entire human life and consciousness and what is the purpose of my individual process here? Yeah. And that would be a gorgeously flourishing society. These fundamental questions are, if they are the, it seems to be the most important thing for us to focus on, these fundamental questions, who am I? Why am I here? Why are we here? What is our connection to the divine to source? And how can we figure out how to be good? And these are very tough things. What is love? These questions. But these are the most pressing questions. It's just an obsession with the question. We are obsessed with answers and we're obsessed with cognitive ease because it doesn't take a lot of, it's easier for me to just take a binary answer on something than it is for me to get into the nuance of what is my connection to the divine. But it's worth it. It's the most important. I'm just so obsessed with transitioning people towards those questions and they are just extremely powerful. No, you're absolutely right. The questions are most important, but these are also questions you cannot answer just with your mind or the intellect, right? So that's also the trap, I don't know, of atheists who are just caught in the intellectual logical mind and you know, where God doesn't exist and all of that and they're also kind of looking for some sort of biblical God of outside themselves. But these deeper questions, the answers are there, but they're not, you won't get them through your mind, through an intellect for your rational mind. It's through an internal search, your inner being, your true self. And that transcends even our five senses, right? It's tapping higher knowledge, noses outside our, you will see the mind and the intellect and logic as its place, absolutely. But we need to step out of it, to not make it our master. We have identified with it and we've been able to step beyond it. That's certain esoteric practices, deep meditation, they can connect you to something much higher and deeper within you. And then you realize, as I realized it myself, come actually face to face with the illusion of control. As Adya Shanti said, the deeper you go into, like truly find a connection to source the divine God, whatever name, we're just names, you know, language is very limited as well to name it, you know, the Dao, the Kemi name is not the Dao. So we are falling into all these paradoxes and coins and all of that, right? So we just, you know, the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon, right? And all of these analogies. But once you dive deeper, you realize there's something else in charge here, actually, there's something much bigger happening, which none of us have any control over. And then you even say, who is the eye to begin with? That's the biggest question. I mean, the deeper most of what you think who you are, it's just accumulation of experiences, memories and a lot of stuff you've learned that you were programmed with is not even your own stuff. And that's how the Matrix Quarant Quarant works as well, because we've been programmed with beliefs, ideas, since childhood to education through, you know, official culture, as I call it, entertainment, news that are not even, that are so removed from truth that are not even our own Quarant Quarant views, right? It is really just a program. And then we identify with it. We identify with beliefs. We identify with identifications, and that's a trap of identification, you know, even when you ask yourself, who am I? And then you come face to face with, you know, as something obvious, for example, to me anyways, like you call yourself an American. Like, you know, what is that? That's an artificial belief because this is just based on art and artificial, whatever. Basically, as soon as we start labeling, you're labeled. Yeah, you're more than all of that. You're more than all of that. You know, you're not like, you're not, you're not your passport, right? You are God. And to activate that within every single human that's born into the world, I want to, I want to actually talk about that with you. So we're all coming from the source. We're all figuring out what our purpose is, who we are, and what is your relationship? What does it feel like to you to be connected to this higher purpose for you to know yourself, this gnosis? What is it like for you to have identified what your North Star is, what your divine purpose is? And what does it feel like? Well, for me, it's an ongoing process. I just also, I'm not awake in the true meaning of the word by the search of the imagination. I'm not enlightened, right? But I had certain moments. I can see a trajectory. There's some sort of development, some sort of evolution. Synchronicities come. You know, and also, yeah, my reflection, I do something. I work with recapitulation, like looking back into. Oh, hi, buddy. We have a little visitor here. We have a visitor. Hi, buddy. It's Charlie. Charlie, look, Charlie's here. Hi, Charlie. Hi, buddy. Made an appearance on our show. It's a famous dog now, Charlie. Hi, I'm Alan. Hi, Alan. Grant, good to meet you. Am I on the show too? You're on the show now too. Shout out to Grant. Come on. Come on. Aw, Johnnie. See you later. You're good. It's not a die-ish. Guests appearance by Charlie. Speaking about the divine, you know. See you're on the divine. Spelled backwards as God, right? So there you go. Yeah. But he also gonna say about recapitulation, like reflecting back. Because what I realized in my own process, the awakening process is not something you find yourself somewhere else. You're where you are in the midst of life, but it's like a spiral, like I say, out and in and the widening and expands on our level. So I have a widening view of my life and or expansion beyond my little self. And I reflect back. I can see that there was another force, a higher force guiding me. Sometimes tough grace, sometimes divine grace to do the work I'm doing now. Because I've said before, I never truly planned as a career move to do what I'm doing, right? I was like involved in music in my 20s and focused on that. But then through my own suffering, still not finding happiness, contentment, I started to question, though, of deep on that, put me on this path. But I noticed many junctures in my plans were like, it's the paradox between destiny, predestination and free will. But the other sort of thing is true free will, right? Because that's the illusion of the ego personality that believes itself to completely free and independent and lives under the illusion of separation. But when I really dive in my meditation and contemplate on my trajectory, there has been something else guiding me and moving me and synchronistically, at the same time also working out my karma based on a universal law of cause and effect. So a lot of things that happened were already set in place eons ago, right? But the mind cannot conceptualize it, understand it. It's beyond. So much comes into the equation. The mind cannot grasp because the mind is also caught in this illusion of linear time, right? So what I've also in my own process, you know, now I'm like, I was over the past four or five years gotten deeper into the integral yoga of Sri Aurobindo and the mother, which is like, you know, for me the highest teaching to this date and what Sri Aurobindo has achieved in his lifetime to really not only connect to the super mental consciousness but really downloaded, so to speak, into the collective. It's just astonishing. And- Another hesitation. You can't, I guess that's fine. Yes, yes, yes. So, but it is, you know, but what I find myself more and more aligning with divine will, there's something higher that it's not about my personal will, I'm not pushing my will into the world, right? So my meditation practice, I make a conscious connection to the divine. What am I here to do to be of service? And the way I experience is very subtle. It's also this subtle experience of seeing and feeling the interconnection of all that is, right? That there's no separation in my own. There's not this woo-wa, you know, epiphany, enlightening experience I have. It happens on subtle levels. And I start to see the divine in others. And I see also the anti-divine forces of the triobin and many others, etheric teachings have talked about that in opposition, right? Which ironically also expression of the one, but removed very, you know, because everything is one, but very far removed, right? There's like in a rebellion against the one and they're trying to keep us in this egoistic, egotistical selfish frequency of the matrix that thrives on separation and just lower nature indulgence and all of that. But I don't notice that no one is going to bail us out, right? That's also the religious dogmatic savior program. Obviously, you know, political that someone should lead the way and get us out of here, but no, it's about our own saviors and leaders. But the way out is truly like on a personal collective level, is once we really make the step and really anchor the divine and goes back to the question, who is God, who am I? The true, that question can open up is the gateway to heaven, so to speak. But it also will open up a can of worms because it will bring up everything you have avoided and that looked at, things you have lied at in yourself, right? In order to anchor the divine, we need to do that clearing process. That's the difficult work, you know? It's not like the New Age said, you just like meditate all of a sudden, bring light, love and bliss. You know, my wife, she's a meditation teacher. She studied deeply Tibetan Buddhism and meditation. There's a tag Tibetan Buddhism, somatic meditations in their own process with the people she works of. If you actually meditate correctly, it brings up your shit. It's not a comfortable process, right? I mean, there will be more like, you know, in quote-unquote awakening, enlightening, quote-unquote experiences as well, but it will bring everything that is in the way, right, of truly anchoring and sensing the divine. And what is also important, it's not about, that's why Shio Bina's work in integral yoga are so profound because he's very critical of a lot of Eastern traditions and spiritual practice in the past. The aestheticism where there was, it was all about avoiding life and escaping life. Like, no, we need to anchor the divine here in everyday life to spiritualize the world and ourselves. It's not about escaping anything. It's not about going to the cave and just, or just what he got, just reached Samadhi and Nirvana, which he has achieved. We need to go beyond that and anchor it in here and become conscious vessels of the divine and as individuals transducers. Yes. And we all have them out. The more we get in touch, then we become with our divine essence and we become more aware, also bring up not only clear ourselves from all the stuff that's in the way, our wounds and traumas and our, quote unquote, conditioning programming, but we become more in touch with our unique gifts. Yes, yes. Which we become individual transducers of the divine force and then you come more in touch with something only you can provide. And that's also really the key to cancel out any form of comparison with others. Yes. And any form of competition. Yes. Because if you truly learn that, you know, the matrix still thrives too much on competition. There's a unique expression within all of us to bring our gift and then the gift is uniquely different from the others. And then the process of doing a really sincere, hard work of inner management and inner engineering to connect with that divine, do the clearing for that unique gift to be expressed fully and to find these synchronicities along the way to treat it like we're leveling up and that we need to get to expressing our gift. Otherwise, we look back 70 years and we say, what was I doing? And so that whole process of identifying that we're come from source, that we identify, we know thyself and then we go through the process of self work. It's also very important when you're a tuning fork, like you said, you can go out to the cave. But the real challenge is to be a tuning fork in the control system and do your best at actually raising the conscious evolution of yourself and others in the control system. And it's also something to balance out because our recording studio used to be right in downtown San Francisco. It's really hard to be a tuning fork right in the middle of the metropolis. It's very challenging. And now you're in Topanga and it's easier to be a tuning fork. You're not too far from the metropolis but you're way more immersed in nature and that helps your spiritual evolution and it helps you bring your gifts but you're also not all the way out in the cave either. Yeah, exactly. It's not about escaping into nature away because I was like, in my ways, I'm a body worker, I'd also do body work energy work and a lot of my business is also on the internet with my website and all that. And at some point I thought, well, I could just leave to Costa Rica, live on the beach, get away from everything or Bali and whatnot. But deep inside I'm like, no, this is, I need to be where I'm needed. It's not up to me. It's not like my ego, that's what I meant. Also we're too much attached to what, the ego wants one thing, what it thinks it needs but the soul, that's your true being. That's what you need to follow and many of us were here come to put into places where we're needed. It's not about escape. We didn't come here for a vacation. It's, we need to take care of ourselves. Absolutely. Such a good way to put it. We didn't come for the vacation. We came for this ultimate grand challenge. Exactly, it's also, but of course, we need to take care of ourselves, be discerning, not fall into the trap of mechanical revolution, like the trap of a revolutionary mind and all this, like, you know, what even she had been called the useless action and just, you know, what's just coming from doing, doing, but it's not coming from a deeper level of being and connection, right? I have a couple of questions. On the source playing out right now and being this beautiful painting with different brush strokes as our individual contributions or a symphony with our individual instruments and notes being played. Is it already a predetermined process and that we express ourselves along the way? What is free will's role in that process? It seems as though potentially that the purpose of that evil is for the, these bifurcating moments of deciding if something that we want to do as good or something that we want to do as a matrix control temptation. So talk to us about predeterminism, if you will. That's a big question. It's a good one, I love that one. So, you know, for me, I'm just speaking for my own level of being, level of understanding where I'm at, I'm not claiming to know at all, but you know, like I said, for me, most part, free will is an illusion, you know? Because who is, who am I, who is doing it, right? I may act something, but what I've realized from my own inner experiences, meditations and whatnot, inner deeper experiences and confirmed through our esoteric teachings, especially also like in lately, guiding into my, like I mentioned, triple yoga of Shri Obin and the mother, is that we are transducers of higher energies. Yes. So the concept, we are just transducers, right? I can make this the, like I mentioned, that we are in control is an illusion. Even Adi Shanti said, the more you come deeper to your true being, you will realize the illusion of control that you were never in control to begin with. And that's very offensive to the ego. It doesn't like to hear that, right? Like, what do you mean, right? I want what I want and I'm doing this. But, you know, as long as we're in the outside surface consciousness, as Schumann has said, you know, we have, which is like 0.1% of what's really going on behind the scenes, so to speak, right? On unconscious level and even higher levels of what has actually initiated the action because we are constantly subjected to all kinds of forces. So the more we are unconscious, the more we are mechanical driven, the less we have a connection to a true soul, the psychic being, to the divine. The more we're driven by, like many people, are mechanically through our wounds and traumas, trying to recompensate something we have lost in childhood, you know, and like, trying to fill this hole within ourselves, meaning we constantly look externally for happiness. As long as we keep doing that, we are more subjected to the, quote unquote, evil or whatever, or called hostile adverse forces, as Shri Abhinav would call them, or they have been given different names throughout the ages, right? So through matrix temptations, you know, then very subtly, then we look excessively, you know, money, sex, fame, right? That's how the things we're being, getting, you know, tempted with. And there's nothing evil with money in itself. It's just when the greed comes in and more and more materialism and you try to make yourself feel better by, you know, just materialistic stuff, whatever, right? And then fame, you really like concern that more people like you, that you want to be, have a certain image to make yourself feel better. And all these hooks, right? They remove us more from who we truly are, right? They remove us from the kingdom within where we all fulfill within. So the more we're coming from that place, that we are subjected by these forces and, you know, no free will there at all, under the illusion of free will, but we are like puppets on strings, manipulated and that's how the matrix keeps humanity in check. So we can be trans, there can be, it can be a transducer for our own divine potential. Exactly, and that's the other side. So once we, but engage in the great work of the alchemist, the inner work, right? Whatever traditional, you know, doing the true yoga, which is truly aspiration is surrendered to the divine, like the threefold, like Shri Obindu said, it's the aspiration to the divine, the rejection of anything that's not your true nature, right? Resisting the temptations, the interferences. And then the true surrender when you become truly that vessel, you know, and let the divine anchor and work through you. Then you, you know, it's still not you doing it, but you offer yourself your vessel for the divine work. And then that's where you can also access the true joy and bliss and beauty of who you truly are because the natural state of your soul, of your psychic being is pure joy. It's joy for life. But for everything, for all of existence, but it does not exist, that it does not depend on anything external. So if you still like the gauge, the kingdom within, the gauge, for example, if you still, if you feel happy and great about yourself, great, but if it depends on anything outside yourself, on a relationship or stuff you have or life circumstances, it's still not the true thing. Recipe for disaster, right? Yes. So I'm not saying not to like enjoy, it's not to not enjoy the material world. That's also the story of spirituality, like enjoy, but don't make it attach yourself as the source for the true fulfillment. Yes. Yes. So we being transducers, the more we align with what the divine creative expression is our unique pain stroke, our unique instrument or note that we're playing in the symphony, the more it seems like we are just surrendered to that process without a free will. At the same time, I would like to know how people lead these bifurcating moments. Example, you have your Cosmic Matrix podcast, you maybe need to do four hours of prep for one of your guests or you have the choice of going on a hike for four hours or doing yoga for four hours or hanging out with Lord for four hours, et cetera, right? How do you make those bifurcating decisions on when to focus on the prep for the work or the connection to the divine in nature with your partner, et cetera? How do you... That's a good question. And usually like, it really depends on my own connection to my true self, to the divine. So for me, very important is having a spiritual practice, like each morning, even before you came. Yes. I do my Qigong. My Qigong, Tai Chi helps me move my meditation already to relax the body, relax the mind, followed by meditation. If I meditate sometimes, okay, at a minimum 10 minutes, like usually, excuse me, 20 minutes or 30 minutes, and then do, in that meditation also, like I do my self-breath work to really like relax more my vigorous nerve, physiologically get myself in a deep state. And then I scan my body to stomach, what's happening in my body, is there any signs? And then I do the aspiration, the deeper aspiration, divine, really calling the divine force, and like asking questions, intentions, and like what do you want from me today? Aligning with consciously with divine will, like it's thy will, not my will, which at the beginning, when I started years ago was, and it still comes as difficult because the ego in the mind like doesn't trust it. Like the ego's like, no, I want what I want. I don't, you know, who are you, divine? So it's like in these moments, then I go deeper and then the answer comes of what I need to do, right? Where does it come from? It comes from, sometimes it's just, it's a deeper inspiration, like as embodied, this is what I need to do. There's no question, and it's not a mental decision. Yes. And where does it come from then? Heart, gut, from above? Yeah, it's sometimes this, you know, the super, like it comes from above, you know, like the higher mind, so to speak, you know, like, you know, it's the descent of the divine force, confirmed by comfort. Or then the heart opening, and then also even just the gut, you know, the intuitive sense, so to speak, but the whole body, what excites me as well. Like I'm just like, this is what needs to be done. And if there's any moment of like, okay, I'm not quite sure. Yes, then on the other hand, I'm not, what I wanted to say as well, I'm not always that tuned in. Sometimes then I confuse myself, should I do this? And I start three different things at the same time. And you know, and I get a bit, I get my own anxiety and I'm not enlightened, right? I have my own stuff still coming up, I get triggered and like, I'm getting tired, like, fuck, you know, and then my mind, you know, is very, I have a very self-critical mind that kind of like, you know, puts me even in a more negative state and I have to watch out for that and then maybe interferences. So it is a battle sometimes. I'm not always lined up. I'm not always like flowing on the down, like, how it's, you know, certainly not. It's a challenge, but that's, yeah, I need to pay, exactly, and then being more gentle with myself by this, like, the sincerity. Like, I know if I don't keep up my own spiritual practice, then it comes up. And even then I need to extend beyond the spiritual one hour practice I have in the morning every day, you know, when I come, like, you know, for me it's like that aspiration, you know, just to source, to something else that kind of guides me. And then the answers come and then also life arranges itself naturally, right? Yeah. And we see this also, like, Laura and I, when we do a podcast, certain topics come up, we feel very excited by sometimes it comes through difficult lessons, sometimes it comes through ways, like hardships we experience in our own process and whatnot, in my own process, but that's a gift, like, what I learned from. And then, you know, a lot of my writings and films I've done or videos I've done in the past or essays came from a place of suffering, right? Of like, you know, and then the creative process of writing helps you to heal and then understand and then that's where I find my gift as well to, you know, to, for my work and maybe inspire and help others that way. Yes. Now let's touch on, as we go on this path of spiritual awakening and we're identifying our divine purpose is channeling through us, we're transducer for that. More and more awakened we become and more and more we are discerning of what is serving a purpose towards spiritual awakening around the world and more and more we're discerning what is not. And then what is not serving a purpose of conscious evolution around the world, those are those matrix control vectors off of our paths of divine alignment. Now what are the most critical principles to embody for discernment? You gave the list of the money, power and sex that these the main vectors that can take us off of the path that we play with the constructs of the control system but we're also simultaneously building new codes to maximize spiritual evolution and to obsolete some of the old archaic codes that exist among us. So speak to us about that, the control system and those vectors and also just what are the forces, where are they coming from? Were they part of source? The initial creation process was that there will be these evil forces here and they will serve this purpose of consciousness and light being able to evolve more effectively because of those forces. Yeah, I mean, for anybody who is not familiar with my work I mean, first encourage you to go to my website veilofreality.com, there's a whole also lecture I gave a couple of years ago called the matrix control system and the path towards awakening which lays out what we just talked about in your question, way more depth and there's way more on my website because it's hard to summarize a lot of these things especially if you have not come across this topic at all. But what I call the matrix control system we see it on the basic 3D level of institutions, governments and whatever who don't have our best interest in heart and we're kind of controlled on some level and lied to and all of that. But I talk from it as a tech from a cold perspective that there is the unseen or cold matrix that works through humanity called hyper-dimensional forces, entities that have given different names throughout history. You know, like I mentioned, Sri Aurobindo Integral Yoi called them the occult, hostile or adverse forces, the Azuric forces that have hijacked, basically it's infiltrated or invaded humanity through our own minds. Also which are parts of creation these are called. But it's part like that's, you know, that's, you get into very, it's all very paradoxical. You know, it happens, you know. And then to other traditions, you know, Wetiko, I don't know if you heard of Paul Devi. Wetiko. Wetiko, the native American expression for this alien virus that has also overtaken humanity that's predator, right? Or the Jing from the Sufis tradition or the general law from the Isetai Christianity tradition, the Archons from the Hermetic tradition. So you see it all different ways they have been named, right? But you know, what you may ask what is their agenda, right? We see it maybe on a 3D level of the matrix of what the elite and the shadow government and all of that trans-national corporations, what they are after is greed and money and all of that more power for them. But that's really just a symptom. That's just a surface because they are just vessels of these higher demonic Azuric hostile forces. And what they are trying to do with humanity through various mechanisms, control, even generic modification to keep us in the frequency present, to keep us pitting against each other, keep us in this perpetual loop of suffering, of fighting, you know, on a global level, war or interpersonal and whatnot. And because it creates a certain frequency and a loose frequency and emotional loose which sustains them, it literally feeds them. So in a very basic level, we are not on top of the food chain. And that's what the shamans call the topic of all topics that we are like farmed for our, you know, soul frequency so to speak. And the more we are a transducer of the divine, the less. And the divine gets that transcend that on a higher, like the true quote unquote ascension, not in a new age sense, but raise our frequency, not in a new age way of just imagining love and light and positive thoughts. It's, that's the great work. There's a deeper work. That's how we transcend these forces. That's how we create true harmony in the world. That's the key to reality creation, you know? It's not gonna happen through external means. You know, it will happen through external means, but it needs to come from this deeper alignment of being and the connection to the divine. But I also wanna point out the importance that process is a highly individual process. Because we also have to understand with seven billion people on this planet, we invest different levels of soul development and being. And many people who don't have a deeper spiritual esoteric understanding fall into the trap of homogenization of humanity. That we think everybody were the same and we're gonna have a collective awakening soon. It's not gonna happen because we all, we have to, you know. We each have our individual divine communion. There's an individual process, right? And some of their young souls here, their soul is humans here as well, which is also a very taboo topic, you know, from an esoteric perspective and their higher developed souls. But there's no judgment. It's just the way it is, right? So we have to like, the work I'm doing, you know, naturally for me, it's like, this is what I'm doing, but I don't expect for anybody else to do that. We all need to find our own unique expression. Expression, yes, yes. And then specifically I want to address this aspect of it, that there is some sort of a game of chess, let's call it, or risk, or whatever board game you want to call it that is being played on the planet. And that then creation made exactly this border board game to unravel itself. And as it evolves, we are transducers for either then, if we've done sincere self-work, we can channel through us light and our own spiritual awakening and others. If we have not, then we can be transducers for malevolence. And then that is being played out like a big board game on the planet. Yeah, yeah, speak to that. Yeah. Now it's also like the way I see these forces, you know, it's almost like a bug in the system, like a virus that has taken over, so to speak. So it is about, you know, in a sense then the work becomes hardest, you know, because it goes way deeper and we're also going back to the questions you asked or whoever, whatever, but what's, you know, have we ever asked a question human nature, for example? You know, we always like say everything, we have normalized pathologies for thousands of years. We say, oh, this is just ego and all of that. But, you know, have we ever questioned human history? Truly, you know, because, you know, there's way more to what, you know, I mean, official history is most for the most, but a lie agreed upon and just a very distorted version of what truly happened. You know, that goes back into genetic modification, alien intervention in history and forbidden archeology. There's a book I literally called Forbidden Archeology, I forgot by who it is, but I recommend for people to see how, you know, we believe in a story like Darwinism. You know, we even caught in this Darwinism idea, which is also a theory, right? That we evolved just from apes and all of a sudden we're here. Never mind the missing link. And did Dalai Lama also recently said that we've just objectively said that it's been a process of survival of the fittest and that's it? Whereas it completely puts compassion and cooperation and friendship and love and harmony all to the side. Yeah, we just believe it without questioning because then, I mentioned before, this matrix programming of education, academic institution and just because everybody says it, we believe it without ever questioning. We just take it on. And ultimately, what is the next evolution then? What is the next one that divides? See, that's the thing and that's why, again, I find, and I can also for you recommend to look a bit into the work of Sri Aurobindo and the mother. I mean, for me, this is the ultimate, the avatar, the last avatar that's incarnated in this work. I'm just starting to realize the work that he has done and how profound it is after four, five years. How long ago? Sri Aurobindo. Sri Aurobindo. Yeah, that's, you know, he was like, you know, early 20th century. You know, he had his, I think, first connection with the super mental and, you know, he was a quick story. He was a revolutionary. Indian. He grew up in England. Okay. Went to, you know, because that's, you know, was England, you know, was a, India was a colony of England. So his parents put him and his son as an early age to England. He grew up there, you know, went to university. He even taught himself. He was already so, he taught himself as a teenager. He taught himself German so he could read good philosophy and philosophy in original language. I mean, he was already out there. Then at around age 20, he went back to India and then had to relearn his own language. And then realized, so all the suffering and the political corruption and what the England, English, you know, government was doing. So he became a revolutionary. He was an anarchist revolutionary, even organizing uprisings and all of that. And even atheist. And then eventually got imprisoned a few times for his writings and uprisings. And then got into solitary confinement where he found his yoga and had his first enlightened experience in the prison. And then the connection with the divine and he would put on this path. And then the rest is kind of history. But he also talked about, you know. You also brought up Gurdjieff in George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff is in the second round. He's now in the same time they all lived, you know. I love that one. But what you've been to talk about that man is a transitional being. We haven't finished evolution, correct? We are just way, we're just in an infant state. We have, we need to not forget that in evolution. We're just so, that's also because of these call forces because of our technological progress of all the gadgets we have. We think we're so evolved. But actually it's an externalization of the internal technology we have disconnected from. And that's why you know my view of the future of transhumanism and AI. That's like the end game from an occult matrix perspective to remove ourselves more and more from the divine to remove the soul like soul snatching, to merge man with machine. So we are being prepared as incarnational vessels for these occult forces, you know. Because we become so obsessed with physical life, right? With the physical body and all of that. And disconnect from what I call internal biological or organic technology, which is your own DNA activation, which is when you're infused with the, become the super human Superman as Shri Yabindo talked, not in terms, in the ways Nietzsche talked about about Shri Yabindo, completely spiritualized, divinized your being. That's eternal life right there. Eternal life right there. You transcend death. You don't need to eat like that. It's the way to do it. But now we're caught into externalizing it and these people like obsessed with youth and you know, you see it even on a basic cosmetic surgeries and all of that. Yes, yes. Even biohacking which has its part but people can also become so obsessed with physical youth and wanting to extend life. I really want. And that will even, will like increase with the whole transhumanism obviously. I really want technologists around the world to pay attention to what Bernard just said. This is so important. It's as though we have not evolved from spiritual kindergarten yet we are democratizing exponential technologies that are God-like and these same issues seemingly have arised in the past and cause civilizational collapses. Our wisdom has not caught up to the God-like powers that we have. And that ultimately, ultimately it is the most beautiful thing for you to fully activate your biological propensity from within this full activation of your divine potential and just be that's eternal love, that's eternal God right there and it's so evident that from our externalization and reliance on the technologies and the desire for all of these externalities that make it seem like we're more technologically advanced meanwhile we're spiritually in kindergarten that we are now trying to do all of the transhuman AI things and I've actually, thanks to people like you and thanks to others that I've been studying it's now become more and more clear that one of my roles is to help people slow down and connect more to the divine and their own purpose and activate themselves through this natural biological process and then to realize that they themselves are God, that they are all that is, that we need to really slow down in our development of these super intelligences and these externalities that we are giving God-like powers to because we ourselves are not ethically or morally or spiritually advanced enough to be creating them so that's actually become a massive pillar of my ethos thanks to people like you and what is overall just the point, the teleology the overall purpose, the meaning of this entire evolutionary experiment creation has given us this rock orbiting this star and these bodies for us to experience consciousness and it's in source with what is the point of it? You're asking me for the meaning of life basically like I cannot tell you what the meaning of life is Is this something internalized for each of us individually? You know I just feel like it's God finding it's like whatever it's beyond, it's hard for me to conceptualize even into words there's something deeper emerging here like a birth of a new world something that has never done before in the entirety of existence so you know it's like I like the analogy what I heard it's like you know what we're experiencing this new human the super human what we truly were supposed to evolve towards is beyond our imagination of understanding it's like trying to like I forgot what the master said but it's trying to like talking about the dog it's like trying to explain to a dog how a Boeing 747 works so that's the state we're in right now you know we cannot even mentally understand it's a deeper experience but we're in this process but whatever I'm bringing out what you mentioned as well we are in very extremely critical times right now time of transition and why all paths from the bigger picture perspective will lead towards full severalization awakening but it's like you know what the mother from Integrated said it's unconscious yoga like yeah there's unconscious mechanical evolution but we can expedite it we can like if we more consciously align then we make sure the goal will be achieved without falling into what the other many other spiritual teachings and prophecies have hinted at falling into another dark net of the civilization you know of you know what even you read an esoteric Christianity which is the true Christian teachings the way before the church has hijacked it I talked about that the divine may press the reset button if we don't heed the voice of the divine which is already calling us you mentioned something similar because when you look at history it's cyclical it's the civilizations our modern respected history books don't mention people think it's a sci-fi but look at Atlantis that was also when you research Atlantis has been a highly developed technological civilization similar to us and through abuse of technology it's some destroyed itself so if the higher power which is in charge here if we don't learn our lessons step up and really align with who we truly are we will not destroy ourselves the experiment failed again we have to start over again so that's the choice of ours that's up or down the future is not set in stone but that's the critical moments we're in right now and eventually all paths leave to the same it can take a couple hundred years maybe just a hundred years or again more thousands of years and we need to have way more cycles of incarnation to go over and over again until when do we get the message and what is that then that goal that we're striving for the spiritual awakening of us individually as well as collectively harmonizing that as a pinnacle planet ecosystem beyond like it's also again it's really hard for me to understand on the basic the mind I am in right now on the level of being but imagine my physical body like Sriabindo and the mother talked about which by their own point out when I mention who don't know their work it's not your typical guru or whatever eastern stuff I mean you know read his work you will see that the profound teachings he gave to the world but in terms of superhuman there won't be any organs anymore it will be energy centers so there will be instant telepathy there will be you know by local you can be at any point where you want you know appear just by the way you think but you're fully aligned with the source it's a complete utopian service to other society where everybody is exactly doing what they are supposed to do from this higher perspective there's no need for any currency for any economic system these are very archaic things they still operate with it there's complete deletion of any competition or regard for win or loss or whatever it's way beyond it's the final manifestation of the divine in every single aspect of life and that's the best I can summarize it that's well said every single child that's being born into a world being born into a social fabric conducive possible to the divine being expressed through each of us as a transducer I love that and then that being like this ultimate playground of each of us bringing our own gifts and transcending the archaic infrastructures and codes that we have now Bernard how many episodes has it been now of the cosmic matrix podcast where are you guys at 13 episodes so far 13 episodes it's happening weekly right every two weeks so this has been really fun seeing your diverse guests that have been coming on the cosmic matrix podcast and you're hosting that with Laura your wife and so teach us about what it's been like having the different guests on learning from them playing the games of tennis with them kind of up leveling your consciousnesses at the same time well mostly we just recently started having guests Laura had with her friend Kelsey they were doing a workshop together and they talked deeply about the toxic feminine out there which is an amazing podcast I highly recommend they go deeper to the occult as well not just only from a official culture perspective because especially nowadays most people talk about toxic masculinity but nobody sees the toxic feminine which were they had an amazing talk my first guest was Tom Montauk he's a fellow researcher who learned a lot from him in contact I first came across 20 years ago and connected with him like over 10 11 years ago so our work kind of uses it very well with an amazing talk together but most of the podcasts are just Laura and I talking because we are very that's how we talk almost every day we pick a topic, whatever we're going through we're very good at exploring and having a conversation about it in a very natural setting we enjoy it and we really go we go deep, we go into cold forces, the matrix but we also talk about trauma wound work, basic psychotherapeutic somatic work we talk, our latest podcast was tying it all together trauma, cold forces and the matrix how it all works together we talked about psychedelics we talked about special bypassing and new age you can find it on my website the first hour is free through the podcast Outlets, iTunes or on YouTube as well, in the second hour we usually go deeper and more personal that's for the membership of my website because we want to have a safe container to explore topics that may be way too out there for the public so to speak but it's nice to often I start to have more guests and I like the idea of just interviewing people and I don't know when this will be released but my latest guest I had, I just recorded it was Paul Levy I have him on and he's the author of The Spelling with Tico, The Curse of Evils and the latest book Quantum Revelations that I was very fascinating so we're going to keep doing like just going to lower an eye together and then sometimes having guests and it's just go by inspiration whatever topic we're into at any given moment Yes, the game of going back and forth with Laura as well as with the guests actually videotaping that and putting that out to share with people I'm so happy that you guys decided to do that we were talking about that when we were doing our first interview together about the importance of you sharing these messages more and you've really embarked on that with this podcast I'm very excited for the viewers to check it out again that's on veilofreality.com for everyone that wants to check out Bernard's work let's wrap I think we covered a really good amount of stuff on this one, another one of those we both went out, synthesized more, came back It's tough sometimes you guys have good questions big questions so I gotta like synthesize it based where I'm at because you see my art people who know my work, my essays, they tend to belong because I want to make it tight also give references because these are big topics and I'm like, you know me like I'm changing my work is the expression where I'm at and it keeps evolving as you can see there's a reason why I mention Shrio Binda integral yoga a lot because that's really what I'm diving deeper into right now I'm just like, I'm not never taking one thing as a foundation I don't have a dramatic express I'm like, oh this is the way but there's also divine guidance, certain information, teachings come across just at the right time and that's for me, that's the perfect place where I'm at right now in my stage of evolution. This was another critical point is that you are doing like the Greek call ekliktikos you're very ekliktik, you're pulling from different sources, you're syncretic you're pulling from different areas and synthesizing and you're not labeling yourself with any labels and that's extremely important and I think it's a massive inspiration to people to parse what exists for the most optimal signal for them to connect with source, for them to express themselves divinely in the lifetime that they have here and yeah, I'm looking forward to the next round and to see where we are I'm sure that you can see that like for me you're a little older than I am and you've had more time to see the world and whatnot but for me especially like I think it was about a year and almost a half ago or so that we did our first sit down together and back then it was very interesting seeing, re-watching and re-listening that just how much I had no fucking idea of it you did very well you have a gift but also we're constantly learning and fine-tuning and then especially with that kind of work it's like when we get to these topics it's not just about the intellectual information in itself there's a deeper inner experience that needs to come with it so to speak yes and that deeper inner experience was the second round that we had together after the first one did a really good job at unpacking who you are in your work the second one was about that sincere self-work in the process of the journey and this was a lot on just overall spiritual awakening I'm just really grateful that we're able to continue doing this I hope that the viewers thank you everyone for tuning in we really appreciate it we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode let us know what you're thinking about spiritual awakening and all the topics that we talked about with Bernard today we would love for you to check out the links in the bio again veilofreality.com check that out all the articles the videos the essays the cost of matrix podcast go and subscribe to their channel like their videos go and share their videos share more content around a more conversations around the world with your friends your families coworkers people online on social media about the topics we talked about today about source about our divine connection to our ultimate purpose here about the matrix control system about the light and dark forces at play what is the purpose of all this these profound questions ask them to yourself and asking to each other more often and also support Bernard's work you can support his work on his website it's critical to get it out to more people you can support simulation our links are below as well support these artists the entrepreneurs the spiritual leaders the organizations around the world that you believe in you can find our paypal patreon cryptocurrency links below as well as you can design cool merchant get paid all that stuff's below and go and build the future everyone manifest your dreams into the world we love you very much thank you for tuning in and we'll see you soon peace thank you good job brother good job that's good felt good no yeah felt really good felt really good