 I feel the liftoff, the punk rock star to be a rocker. Alright, hello everyone and welcome to another edition or episode rather of the punk rocker moon stomper podcast. As always, I am Amy and with me as always is. I am Jason and our guest today is Mr. Rob Hingley known by thousands of people all around the world, simply as Bucket from The Toasters. Buck, it's fantastic to see your face, my friend. Thanks for coming on the show. Yeah, well, what happened to Idaho Ace? I had to get the load in. Well, I'll have to tell you that whole story, but it's now official that we're back in Phoenix. So this is our home base once again. So Boise was temporary and we've now officially solidified that we're back in Phoenix for good. So the circle is unbroken. Yep, you got it. We had to do that. Well, let's get into the beer, guys, because that's an important part of starting this show. So Amy, why don't you start? What are you drinking today? I this is this is very fitting. It's the scobbering modus hopper Andy, because a friend of mine gave me this and I couldn't. I've been waiting for the right moment to open it. So I'm excited to crack this today. Well, and you said interestingly that in so Amy's in California, she's in Los Angeles and you said it's it's difficult to find scobbering in Los Angeles. Right? I have never seen it. That's so fascinating. A friend of mine found it and gave it to me. So I don't know where I got it. I think you had to track it down at like a fancy liquor store that has fancy beer. Yeah, I can I can give you an update on that. OK, they have scobbering is now selling in in in California. And there is a rep who is in the LA area. And you can I will dig out her number and send it to you. So is that is that a recent thing they just they just started distributing there? I think they've been selling into SoCal for a while. OK, and in fact, what they had done is they've drawn out of North Carolina so they could basically take care of bigger markets closer to home. But but it now is available in your area, Amy. So I'm going to hook you up with that contact. So you never need you never need to be without scobbering again. And how how I how I propose that I chose the scobbering. The modus modus, which is basically got a hint of orange peel and I'm going to crack it now because I've been sitting what looking at this for the last 20 minutes, you don't want it to get warm. Yeah, for sure. Well, you know, I'm I'm I'm the odd man out. I don't have a scobber today, but I do have a Deschutes, a Pacific wonderland logger. We've talked about Deschutes on the show before. Deschutes, fantastic brewer out of Oregon, good stuff. So that's what I've got. Let's crack them open hands. Sounds good. All right. Well, cheers, everybody. Cheers. Thanks for having me on your show. Some weird nerd stuff. Thank you so much for joining us. This is this is exciting to talk to you. So one of the things that we we do on this show is that we we try to get into people's sort of hidden nerdery and things that they're passionate about, but maybe people don't know about. And one thing Jason and I were talking about earlier was that you used to own a comic book store and I didn't I didn't own one. But I was working for Forbidden Planet, which is which is a name that is much better known in the UK than in the US. But that's the reason I originally came to the States in 1980. Anyways, to work for them and my area of expertise was basically collectible comics and science fiction books, horror, pulp magazines, antique toys, that kind of stuff. So that's my ubernerdery right there. And basically I worked at Forbidden Planet until about 1987. And that's how basically I jumped off into into the band from there. So I stopped being a science fiction nerd in 1987 and completely became a scan nerd. So really, it was it was like a Band-Aid right off. You were you were done science fiction. You have more science fiction now. No, it was a little more graduated than that. And what happened after I mean, the band started in 1981 and it was basically going along. But by the time that Joe Jackson had produced that EP for us in 1985, and we really got national attention and national distribution. And then the Scar Boom record came out in 87, which we had to tour not just nationally, but internationally. At that point, then there wasn't really time for me to have a job anymore. And so at that point, I was completely out of Forbidden Planet. But I'd been kind of part time with them on a consultation basis, which like meant maybe taking a ride out to Long Island and and finding a bunch of stuff to look at in some of these basements or garage since about 85. So by 87, I was completely a scan nerd and no longer a science fiction nerd if I had to make a clean break. Yeah. Do you ever really drop the science fiction nerdery though? Or is that still something that you know? No, of course not. Engaged with. Like, for example, my daughter's a huge Star Wars fan. So we were talking about the new movie and the return of Luke Skywalker just this morning. So it's there you once. Once a nerd, always a nerd, you know, fantastic. It's like malaria. Once you're bitten, I mean, you can never get rid of it. I don't think I've ever heard anybody make a less favorable comparison to loving science fiction than malaria. But it's probably a good one. Well, it doesn't leave your blood. I have malaria, too. So that's I happen to be knowledgeable on that subject. All right. I got I got the malaria in 1962 in in Nairobi, Kenya, by the way. If there are any health nerds on the show. Yeah. Yeah, wow. So you have both pre-scar and post-scar in your life. Basically, they've been a world traveler. You've you've been all over the world and I know something that is near and dear to your heart is beer. And you've had the opportunity to to sample beer from all over the world. So I've got to ask you about about you've had every kind of beer there is from everywhere that makes beer. So if you had to be stranded in one place and that place like separated or blasted off into space or something, you had to be stuck with that one one beer, that one locations beer for the rest of your life. Where would you choose? I believe it or not Colorado. That makes us because it's a great place for beer and the scabering guys are there. But also one of my other favorite beers of all time is Dale's Pale Ale. OK, which is which is one of their they they say it's not a competitive but one of their contemporaries, should I say. But Colorado, really, if you think about it, that's a great concentration of beer, even though it's not beer city USA, which is Asheville, Carolina, North Carolina now. Did you know that? Yeah, I only know that because I have friends who live there. And when they told me that, I didn't believe them. So I had to look that up. It's hard to imagine North Carolina with anything, but, you know, I think good like beer. Well, they have pretty good vinegar based barbecue sauce as well. If you're a barbecue, a barbecue, this is what I've heard. Yeah. But when Asheville, North Carolina was voted beer city. Number one, the people in Portland, like like Matt Griffin, Pace, you know, Matt from Simiton Productions, I was extremely pissed off because Portland, Oregon, have been beer city for like year upon year before that. And now it's Asheville, North Carolina, which is not a very big town at all. Lincoln, you miss it. But, you know, there you go. But they have good beer there, I suppose. Well, and there's an explosion of beer absolutely everywhere. I mean, San Diego is a huge beer town now. And have you tried, Buck, have you tried the ballast point makes a habanero beer? And I know you're a fan of habaneros. Yeah, I've had that. And number one, it's too expensive to to be anything more than a foie gras. Yes. In a sense. But I have to try it and I was a little bit disappointed. So it's better for me just to have a beer and eat a bowl of habaneros, which is what I which is what I get to continue to do. It's cheaper. That's a good way to go. Yeah, that beer is so expensive. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing that my target sells it. I think it's it's a it's called a target. It's called the sculpin, I think. Yeah, the habaneros sculpin. Yeah. Jason, you tried that recently, didn't you? I did. The first time. What did you think? I was really excited for it because I love I love the spice and thinking about that paired with beer. I was really excited. But number one, it was already not looking good for me because it's a it's an IPA, basically, and I am not an IPA fan. So the fact that it had the the hoppiness to go with it really wasn't exciting me from the start. But I don't know if it was just the the batch that I got or whatever. It wasn't all that spicy, Amy. Got to say, I know you hyped up the spice and I just didn't have the spice in mind. So the lack of the spice plus the excessive hops. I was both sad and happy about that because I really wanted to love it because it sounded great. But I didn't want to love it because it's so expensive. So yeah, I get that. But the thing is, I'm a bit of a beer purist coming from from Britain, as I do. I'm a big fan. Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of everything micro brewing and craft brewing, anything that basically erodes the power of the the piss water manufacturers. Like, by the way, so let's not mention their names. They don't even need to be acknowledged as beer makers. I'm going to bleep that out. But I think there's, you know, there's this good craft beer and this bad craft beer. And I think I'd be much happy for people to make like a really good, say, pint of a British bitter than stuff with pumpkins in or cherry blossoms or whatever. And I think a lot of people overflavor the beer as a result of the fact that their basic product quite often isn't that good. So get a doctor it up with something. Yeah. Having said that, I'll still drink any kind of craft beer over a Budweiser any day of the week. Do you have a favorite Scabru? It is pretty bad. My favorite Scabru used to be pinstripe ale because that's kind of like going back to what I said earlier. That's about as close to a pint of Yorkshire bitter as you can find here in the States. But now it's just Modus Mandurino. It's just got me really hooked. And in fact, I have a I have an 86 pack in my fridge outside. That sounds kind of awesome. An 86 pack. I didn't even know you could get an 86 pack. Well, can we've got the hookup? I guess so. Yeah, yeah. And in fact, I'm going to see if I can dig out. This girl's actually not on this phone. So my other friend, I'm going to have to get that for you. But I'm I'm sure that as a result of this promo opportunity, that the area rep will come around and and bring you some beer, Amy. Like I'd be into that. Like like an like an assortment. Yeah, because this is good. This is the first time I think I've ever had this beer and it is quite good. I do like an IPA, though, so sorry. It's pretty pretty awesome. But it's I think Modus Hopper and is one of the like top six staples. Yeah, it is. Well, you've worked with that. Go ahead, Amy. Go ahead. Oh, they're just going to ask just because you mentioned that. I have not thought about this until right now that no one really makes a good pint of beer in the U.S. And they just kind of overflavor things. Is that an American thing? I have not really drunk excessively outside the country in a long time. Is that an American thing to say like pumpkin spice beer and then cherry blossom beers and just sort of like mask the fact that beer here isn't necessarily that good with. Like, yeah, I'd say so first the same. I mean, to my palate, because obviously everybody has a different taste and, you know, different strengths and different strengths. And I don't want to really, you know, put other people off of what they like doing. But I find the same with American wine. It's that there's too much taste in a lot of times. And one of the reason that derives from is that when they they age the wine and cast, for example, they put some artificial flavorings in there like burnt flavor. So what is it they put in there to do that? Basically, they add things to make give it more flavor. And instead of the wine just imbuing with the flavor of the wine in the cask, they accelerate that with some flavor fires. And and and so the the wine tends to have too much to taste. And the same thing is with the beer. So I think less is more in a sense when you're elaborating particularly wine. So I prefer to like drink Spanish wine than an American or even French wine, actually, Spanish wine is better and cheaper. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure whatever Americans put in their wine to accelerate it is probably toxic. I found out the other day that, you know, the little cuties oranges are so small because they are soaked in toxic runoff water. But the FDA still allows it. So that's weird. Yeah. Well, it's like we can just talk about. I mean, let's talk about citrus now. Let's be citrus nuts for a second. And I lived in Spain for 11 years in Valencia, which is where you guys get most of your orange stock from anyway. And the lemons, I had a lemon tree in my backyard, which is probably about 150 years old. And if you left the lemons on, which grow all year round, by the way, it's not like a biannual crop like oranges. These lemons would be the size of softballs and the skin would be about an inch and a half thick. But they were the best tasting lemons ever. But when you get a lemon in a supermarket in in USA, they pick them small and they mature in the refrigerator. Rail cars coming from wherever they come from, California or Florida and they spray paint them yellow because otherwise they'd be green. So, I mean, there's lemons and there's lemons and there's oranges and there's oranges and there's real things and there's fake things. But we buy food in the supermarket because it looks like a lemon not because it really tastes like a lemon. Yeah. Hmm. I know. Are you with are you with me? No, my thought on that was just that is the most talk about never wanting to go to the grocery store ever again. Yeah, it's when you start thinking about where your food is coming from, it gets quite sad. You live in a major city and don't have access to a backyard to grow your own produce. But, yeah. Sorry, Jason, what were you going to was going to say one of the things that I really miss about our old house that we had in Tempe before we moved to Boise. We had a lot of grapefruit trees, but my favorite tree was what they call a cocktail tree. It's a hybrid lemon lime tree. So half the year you'd get lemons, half the year you'd get limes and they would get the lemons would be just like you described, these gigantic lemons with thick skin, but the best lemons, they were so good. Yeah, well, there you go. So, well, thick skin is a good thing. I've learned that after 40 years in the music business, having thick skin like an elephant is a very good thing to have. So, yeah, no, that's that's good to know. And I mentioned habaneros, so let's go into hot sauce now because I know you know a thing or two about hot sauce, too. And it's funny because beer, you know, you've. Scott Brewing did a special toasters beer for you guys. That was awesome. And when was that? That was so long ago now. That was like your 25th anniversary or was it the 30th? Yeah, that's the 25th anniversary is actually I don't know if you ever saw the video that they put out having to do that. It's like I did. It's like beer masters. It was like a little yes, they put out. Yes, I had to go. I had the guy from a beer minions. It was called and I had the guy from Dogfish Head doing a cameo in it and everything. If you don't have it, I can send it to you. If you send me a email address later in me, I'll send you a couple of MP3s with that. It's pretty funny. And that's just that's just the whole story of how they came up with the toasters beer by like burning toast, et cetera, which is not how they made it. But they actually did they actually did physically deliver to the launchpad in in Albuquerque, New Mexico. They delivered us 80 cases of beer, which he managed to stuff it to the back of the sprinter in basically define the the laws of like dimensional laws. We discovered the fifth dimension to get that extra case in there. But I have one bottle left. That's actually I'm looking at it right now. It's up on my up on my case. So I think anybody who has one of those is a valuable collector's item at this point because they just made that they made that one run. And that was it. Yeah, I think I still have my bottle. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't remember if it's full or empty. I think it's full. Are you sure it's full? You didn't drink it and put the cap back on. I'm not positive. I'll have to check. But so you've also gone into the world of hot sauce, too. I mean, yeah, some of the two, two greatest things, beers and hot sauce. So had toasters hot sauce, too. And you had a couple of different runs of that, haven't you? Well, we're up to the third flavor right now. And how we got into that. I mean, I'd always seen, for example, Kevin Lyman had one for the he was doing for the Warped Tour about 10 years ago. But I didn't really like that because that was one of those hot sauces. The same as we're going back to the beer thing and the purity where they'd obviously got some hot sauce and to make it. Extra hot, they just like whacked a bunch of extract in there. And when and when you taste a sauce like that, you can differentiate. Your palate can differentiate between the taste of the hot sauce and the taste of the extract. So you can tell you can tell immediately it's fake. But we we got turned on to this through my son, actually, started working for this guy in Denver, Colorado again. So all roads lead back to Denver inexorably. And he's called Danny Cash. We'll give him a plug because he's got a great, a great thing going on there. And he came to a show in Denver with a huge case for about 60 different hot sauces that we tried. So we basically were driving around on tour on the West Coast with just just with a case of hot sauce and chips and just sampling them all. And so now we have three toasters, hot sauces. One is the shocker, which is a smoked filthy habanero. The second one is the razor cut, which is like a Caribbean lime flavor. And the third one is Cajun, like a raging Cajun, they call it. And that one's called the scar killers. So that's like a hot one. But the next one is going to be a yellow habanero sauce like over the top, which would be called the East Side Heat. Wow. But they're all named after toasters, obviously. Yeah. Just to be nerdy. That's perfect. I love it. It makes it makes a lot of sense. I've only had one. I've only had the first one. It's just I'll have to I'll hook you up next time I see you. OK. Yeah, that's awesome. I've noticed a lot of bands doing hot sauces now, and I imagine they just, you know, get some some sort of company to put a label on it for them. But I know you guys actually go through a tasting process and decide the flavor you want. That's awesome. Well, the guy, this guy, Danny Cash in Colorado makes all his sources and he has no extracts, no preservatives, no, no, no weird stuff. It's just it's just like honest to goodness, hot sauce, which tastes good. And he private labels them. So basically, I mean, there's a minimum order you have to get like a few dozen bottles, but we don't really have a problem. You know, what's whatever's left after the toasters get it, we can sell to the public. But we actually sell more hot sauce and CDs now if you can get better. Really? Yeah. And we don't have a problem with people downloading it on the internet either. There you go. Oh, man, if you could download hot sauce, figure that out. Let me know. Yeah. Yeah, 3D print hot sauce at home. Yeah, it probably tastes probably tastes like shit, though. Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't be great. But interesting, that's when did you make the transition to selling more hot sauce than CDs? Like I feel like the digital age has killed so much music sales. Don't get me started on that. That's going to be had to be a whole separate program. But it has, I mean, really what the digital age and providers like Spotify and Pandora and all these guys have really trivialized the the content to a point of view where kids don't even own it anymore. They just rent it, you know, they just basically have this biggest jukebox ever. And it was at the point now that kids kids don't collect music. And there was been a little bit of a backlash against that with the resurgence of vinyl where people are kind of figured out. It's like, wow, this is cool and it sounds good. But when you think about it and this is my kids know it. So I know exactly what I'm talking about is they will go and download an MP3 which they'll listen to on their phone. And that's the way they consume their music, which is the antithesis to quality. And I think when kids actually get a vinyl LP and put it on a decent sound system and listen to it on a turntable and speakers, they get so blown away that it takes them to another planet. So there's a there's a link into the ufology there that they can basically transcendently go up to a higher plane simply by listening to music as it should be listened to. Yeah. And instead of disposing of it like some piece of toilet paper after they listen to it once. Pretty awful, horrible. The Spotify is my my enemy right now. That Daniel. Yeah. Yeah, I believe it. I mean, you amazingly after what, thirty six years now with the toasters, you're constantly on tour. So I mean, you've had a good view around the world of audiences as they've come and gone over the years. So are you seeing the same thing in terms of equating to CD sales as attendance at shows? Is it down that much? Well, it's two it's two different things. And and you kind of have to separate one from the other. Back in the day, bands used to tour to support albums. Right. And now it's it's the mirror image of that, where bands go on tour and use albums to support the tour of the merch table. So the basically industry has been stood on its head and bands that can't tour are in big trouble, basically, because their incomes have dried up. That's why you're seeing so many I call them dinosaur rats, but other people call them heritage acts. I guess I should be careful because I guess I'm nearing that definition myself. But those bands are coming back out of retirement and getting back together because although the income checks have dried up from the record company, so they can't rely on sales in their backplug anymore. So you have to get out and play. Fortunately, I saw that happening in 1998 when we got whacked back when I had Moon Records. When I when I saw what Napster did to our back catalog sales, which basically is what killed the label. And so at that point, we decided to set the toasters up as a global touring band and basically put the record releases as just a platform to put gas in the fuel tank. So we retooled up early for that and it's worked out for us. But other bands haven't been so lucky. Last year, last year I played two hundred and twenty seven shows which haven't played that many since I was on on the Miller Band Network in 1991, by the way. You're playing the role of a young man. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully I'm playing a little bit better than I feel it. That is constantly moving. Yeah, that's what you've got to do because if you don't if you don't play, you don't you don't make any money. And you know, unfortunately, I still have two kids in college and I didn't have a mortgage, but I'm about to have another one, which is I don't really want, but that's the way it goes now. And so there you go. So, you know, if you and people say to me all the time, it's like, you know, I'm I'm going to start a band. Can you give me some advice? And I say, yeah, you know, as tries as it sounds, don't quit your day job. Yeah. The music business is not is not what I would recommend anywhere to anybody to seek a career at the moment. How is the I guess the scossing looking at ska music in other countries, is there a difference in its current reception in other countries than it is right now in the US? Yeah. And I think I mean, the scossing is huge in places where you wouldn't really think it was like Mexico, for example. Yeah. And I was just reading this morning that they're going to have a problem because two of the bands which were going to headline that big the Pepsi sponsored festival. Well, the Reggae Festival in California, Pantone, Rococo. Oh, yeah. And Antidoping can't go because they're not they're not getting their visas. So are you serious? I'm going to that show tonight. There can't get there. No, they can't get in the country. Oh, what's wrong with this country right now? Well, I mean, a lot. But that doesn't get me started on that. That's that's a whole separate program. I can have to come back. I can have to come back on another show. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll get really drunk on that one and we'll just rage about politics. Yeah, we've got we've got a Brit, a Canadian and an American talking about US politics. That'll be fun. Yes. Yeah, there you go. Wow. Yeah, that's got to be. I never thought about that, actually, about how the scenes moving between countries because of being in L.A. There's a huge Mexican scossing that I only know about because I will just buy tickets to a show that sounds fun without knowing the bands that are always Mexican bands. And the music is so great. It's so much fun. And I never thought about the fact that now now they can't make their money. Yeah. And to and to a certain extent, the two scenes are mutually exclusive, where I think the the Mexican kids will go to the the white boy shows, but the opposite is not true. And some of the best shows we've done in California recently have been in the East Side. This guy, Clemente, who's in that band, Sector Corps, you know, them puts on these shows and they're rammed. But a lot of the a lot of the kids from the valley won't go there because their mother and father say it's too dangerous. But it's kind of fucked up because if you think there's a way to really, you know, cross pollinate the cultures and make people make people realize that, you know, not all Mexicans are rapists like Mr. Trump would have us believe. Then just go to their show and see them having a good time. But some of the biggest bands like that band in Spector, for example, they're having problems with their visas, too. So who knows what's going to go on with that, you know? Interesting. Yeah. But if you want to know where the most scar fans are at the moment, is in Indonesia. Indonesia. Indonesia. I would never have thought. It's the third, it's the third biggest population on the planet, which is predominantly Muslim, by the way. So but I think when I break down our in Facebook, we can go, you can take a look at your band, likes and see where we're from. And another Philippines is number one at the moment. That's incredible. Also surprising, though. Yeah. But in Indonesia, generally, we played in Jakarta about three years ago and it was it was pretty crazy. But so the scar scene has gone to places like there. It's gone to a place like Malaysia, Japan, everybody knows. But Mexico, I mean, who knew that that's basically scar central right now? Do you ever I know it's a weird thing to think about, but do you ever think? If you hadn't started the toasters in 81 and started Moon Records, which really this is a water scenario, largely, you know, deserves the credit for bringing Scott of the US, getting the the attention on Scott in the US. How much do you think that would have affected Scott around the world? Because not to be egotistical, but the US does influence a lot of cultural aspects around the world. Yeah, I always thought I mean, I had a theory about that is basically they were the hub for scam music in the world used to be London. And they had this label there for better for worse, called Unicorn Records, who had a reputation of ripping people off. But nevertheless, he got a lot of releases out all over the world. And in a sense, it works like the spokes in the wheel. And there's places like Venezuela, for example, or Argentina or a lot of other South American countries who who really tuned into what we're doing at Moon Records. And one of the seminal releases we put out for them, we put out a we put out a Latino scar compilation which is all South American bands. And that became the mecca for a lot of those guys. In fact, you know, when I go to Colombia or Puerto Rico, people are still talking about that, you know, 30 years later. So those those kinds of things are really, really important. And in a sense, that's that's why someone like the satellite scenes, say in Germany or Italy or or wherever, I'm never really going to assume the importance of what happened in London or what happened in New York. And that's that's just historically the way there is. So yeah, I'd say I mean, looking back on Moon Records as an important label, we sold one and a half million records, which is quite an accomplishment, you know, that was accumulatively. But still, I mean, for, you know, getting laughed out of the officers of producers and the record labels in New York in 1981 saying I'd never get anywhere. That's circus music. I think that kind of proved them wrong. But yeah, that's a true story, too. The guy from the guy from the music critic of the Village Voice at the time, his name was, let's see, Robert Kruskow said he would never review its host's record. So thanks very much, but here I am. I wonder if he still has his job. Probably not. Yeah. Well, but I know you've got a run. So we are going to wrap up with a question we give everybody at the end of our show. And that is this. So we're going to go back to your sci-fi geekery for a minute. And if you have the ability, technology was there. You could basically snap your fingers and magic would happen. You could visit anywhere in our solar system, any moon, any planet, anywhere in the solar system, where would you go and why? Um, I would probably I would probably go to one of the Star Wars worlds. I'm not quite sure which one, but I probably want to go check that out. So I'm into that kind of Star Wars steampunk approach to science fiction. Yeah, that's awesome. You know, you could also go to you could also go to the moon and start moon records again. Yeah, not much going on up there. I'd have to go up there and start Earth Records. Earth Records on the moon. I like that. Yeah, I've read it on the moon. Yeah, fantastic. Well, but this has been fun as you alluded to. I'll have to come back many times over to talk about because there's so many topics we could talk about. But thank you for taking the time to hang out with us today. This has been a lot of fun. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, thank you so much. And Amy, hit me up and I'll dig out that rep with the scabbering people. And that way they're really nice people and I'm sure they'll hook you up. I certainly will. Thank you. OK, OK, so here's where we just asked. Do you have any places on the internet where you would like for people to be able to find you? We will put links to the band and everything. But are you guys social media that people can follow? Well, we have a Facebook page, but I'd much rather have people come on on the website because there's more cool stuff and less stupid advertising. And that's www.TheToasters.band. All right, we'll put all that link. And Jason, where are people going to find you? Find me at a centric on Twitter. Also on, let's see, I don't know, just Google me. I'm everywhere on YouTube, also at a centric. And, yeah, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram is always centric. And I think on Facebook, I'm the UFO geek, but I'm not entirely sure. So there you go. I don't think I knew that. And website always RoguePlanet. You can go to RoguePlanet.TV, find this show and all sorts of UFO stuff. Beautiful. And of course, if you are watching this on YouTube, you are at my YouTube channel. So you know that I do all kinds of weird space stuff and you can find my main channel, Vintage Space. There will be links below. And you can find me on Instagram and on Twitter at AAST Vintage Space. So be sure to chime in in the comments and let us know. Guys, if you have other questions, you would like us to ask back in a future episode, if we can get you back on. Or if you have other beers that you would like us to try or just other things you want us to take on, leave all that in the comment section below. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode and we shall see you guys next time. Thank you for stopping by. Thanks. Cheers. Bye, guys. Thanks.