 I like falafel that doesn't make me feel awful I wish there were more actually no there are a bunch of shawarma places around here, but I've always been a little anxious about going in because like Do I just go in and test to see if they're good or not or yes? I mean you can't just no other ways. Yeah. I don't know. I just don't like wasting you could look on four square Look on four squared. See what the range is I mean admittedly this place is on sort of a block of venice where There's just sort of like bars and crappy restaurants. It's not like no one's ever said Oh, that's the best falafel is saying what you're ever going to have right, right? You know, so I kind of knew what I was doing But I didn't know it was going to be so jariingly bad Eileen and I have this debate on things that are in the six or seven range on four square If it's five we just avoid it or like it can't be good She's like no it has to be eight or better. I don't want to eat there Unless I know for sure a reason to eat there whereas me I'm like if it's six or seven it might just be bad Reviews right it might not like it might be better than that because there are places we've grandfathered into this this attitude Because we know they're good that they're like well, you know such and such place is only a seven on four square And it's really good. Like it's it's not an exact science. I'm with Eileen like I you know a pitch of seven you gave the falafel place a chance But I didn't look up the rating beforehand and look where I got I rest my own case against myself Like if it had said six I wouldn't have gone so thanks Tom I don't know. I'm I'm still willing to give sevens a chance six I start to get nervous about but even then sometimes I'm like, yeah, but it looks like they might have a couple of good items like It it all depends on how many stars Well, and you're right. I mean if a place has a lot of reviews and The number is lower. I'm like But if it has just a few reviews, it's like it's often because somebody didn't like the way the bathroom looked or Stuff where it's like I that wouldn't necessarily mean that it was in a fight with my my significant other The barista looked at me weird I hate it when the barista looks at you weird But every time weird Like food and service criticisms on yelp like I feel like you should have to answer into one of those two Think that's actually a really good. That's a good idea like I would I would uniformly kind of ignore service stuff unless it's like Terrible it's like very highly. There's a lot of reviews and it's like one star Then I'd be like, all right. This thing is bad. Otherwise in general, it's just a yelper Who's a note at their ice tea came late with yelp? I always look at the bad the one stars and and then evaluate the it's like a qualitative evaluation Because that that seems to tell me like oh, it's getting bad reviews because these are people who expect something that this place isn't supposed to give them Shall we Dive into some tech news perhaps That's it up. All right Here we go The daily tech news show is powered by me, but I couldn't do it on my own I'd like to thank the over 4,800 other patrons who help keep the show going each day Visit daily tech news show com slash support if you too would like to help power this show This is the daily tech news for thursday june 21st 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom merit and from studio feline I'm sarilein from oakland, california. I'm justin robert. Yeah, and of course the man who needs A very small introduction if you haven't want to listen to the show before our producer roger ching Hello, i'm roger ching and the producer for the show. That's exactly right We're gonna talk about the supreme court decision in the united states to allow States to tax the sales of items from companies who are on the internet But don't have a physical presence in that state, but let's start with a few tech things you should know The alliance behind the open royalty free hdr 10 plus standard launched a program to let manufacturers qualify to use the hdr 10 plus logo on their products hdr 10 plus brings the hdr standard close to quality to dolby vision Which manufacturers have to currently pay royalties to use Continued conversation is launching for google home in the u.s. On thursday Similar to amazon's follow-up mode users can ask multiple questions in a row without having to say the trigger word each time Users need to enable the feature in setting samsung has launched the industry's highest capacity nvme solid state drive at eight terabytes In an 11 centimeter by 3.05 centimeter form factor has read speeds of 3100 megabytes per second write speeds of 2000 megabytes per second Five and three times the speeds of your typical sata ssd come into a data center near you soon Hey, we mentioned movie pass yesterday in our amc story business insider reports today that movie pass told the publication High demand pricing will come into effect in the coming weeks So specifically titles that the service believes are very popular will cost an extra two dollars Let's talk a little bit more about a significant shake-up at intel brian krizanich is out as intel's ceo and has left intel's board following an investigation into quote consensual relationship with an intel employee Chief financial officer robert swan will step in his interim ceo while the board searches for a more permanent replacement In a statement thursday intel said that the relationship violated intel's non fraternization policy Which applies to all managers That policy states managers cannot have relationships with people who report to them either directly or indirectly krizanich joined intel in 1982 and was named ceo and elected to the board on may 2013 So listen not the first time that this has happened and also intel's policy is not unusual Many big corporations have the same one But tom we were talking about this story earlier kind of like Hey, how do we start a you know How much of a tech story is this and and how much does it apply? But you said this is you know This is the sort of thing that investors get scared of and wondering you know, who's the leadership going to be Yeah, it's it's this story is not in our current climate. It's it's natural to say oh scandal Not that is not really the issue here. In fact, the me2 aspect of this story Is fairly cut and drive. It was a consensual relationship. There's there's no allegations of harassment here It's just that intel says look, uh, it is a power imbalance if you are in a relationship with the person you're managing And that could go bad in multiple ways. So we don't allow it They're not accusing krzenich of favoritism or anything like that. They're saying he violated the policy He has to leave and we're going to apply it to everyone It doesn't happen to ceo's all that often and certainly doesn't happen to ceo's of companies as large as intel all that often But to me the biggest part of this story is intel has been recovering at stock price since krzenich took over It has been shifting into trying to get ahead of the next trend and not get stuck behind qualcom and invidia and And others who who have sort of leapfrogged it in the mobile space and krzenich has by all accounts I mean he hasn't done perfectly obviously we had the meltdown specter issue Which may or may not have anything to do with intel management being at fault But generally people have been positive about the direction. He's taken intel He divested them of a lot of projects that people didn't really feel were going to get intel where they needed to be So right when they're starting to feel like intel is back getting back on track They lose that ceo that has put them there. That's a big deal All right, a rule is a rule is a rule. This is a justification For somebody to lose their job Would we agree or disagree that it seems At least noteworthy that it happened to a ceo Yeah As intel certainly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's good if there's a corporate policy It should apply to managers including the ceo that said and you know, I don't want to I don't really know what happened but it does seem unusual that This would have just been like well, he had to leave. Um, that's just the way it goes Unless perhaps there was more to the story and this was the easy way to end the issue a couple years ago I would have agreed to you. It would have agreed with you. I would I would feel like This sounds like maybe there's sweeping something under the rug. So it doesn't sound as bad In this current climate though, I can see a company going. You know what? We don't want any questions. So clean break. This is what it is and We don't want to be accused of of you know treating our executives with kid gloves in the harvey Weinstein area And I I hope that that is the case that that's that's how companies should go, you know If you're the ceo, you shouldn't you know get a free pass to to act any differently than what other managers have to Throwing us all off is like so they acted the way they should which we're not used to Okay, also, let me just put my my flag down. I'm I'm what you were two years ago I think there's more to the story that they were going to find out more Well, we're going to find out more about AT&T's new internet service called watch tv It's later to go live next week with 31 tv networks at AT&T's giving us some details about that AMC HGTV hallmark cnn other channels via com channels expected to be added soon as well Watch tv subscribers will get access to 15 000 movies and tv episodes on demand It'll cost 15 dollars a month as a standalone app But it's also free if you subscribe to one of two new wireless plans that AT&T has one is called unlimited and more Which starts at 70 dollars per month and then uh unlimited and more premium Which starts at 80 dollars per month Which throws in either a music or a video subscription service like hbo or showtime or stars or pandora or amazon music on top I love Love love love these names AT&T unlimited and more in AT&T. I know we gave rise. It's such a hard time when they added their extra unlimited plans But AT&T's no better Yeah, it's like unlimited and more. Well, but what about the next year? Yeah, just the safe premium limited and more premium unlimited and more premium and extreme I we we knew that AT&T was going to go after dishes sling tv with the cheaper service here It is it is not as robust as sling tv. It does not have the sports It's pretty much just made up of turner scripts and amc networks with the promise that viacom will be added later Which is interesting because viacom while on sling tv is not on things like playstation view and hulu. So it's another entry In the competition, but AT&T already had an entry with direct tv now So it really is a way to kind of package up their wireless service and sell it I think we are still waiting for this Pangea to kind of settle in terms of where the media market's going to be Bloomberg's mark gurman has sources who have insight into why apple's air power is not yet chip remember that the wireless charging device They announced last september The air power is supposed to be able to charge three devices at once No matter where they're placed on the charging map three apple devices, of course That means a complex combination of overlapping multiple charging sensors Because the different devices the watch the phone the ipad they have different kinds of charging needs There's also supposedly a stripped down version of ios Running on a chip to manage the charging and that apparently has proved buggy Overheating and circuit complexity are two of the challenges supposedly delaying the air power It was hoped to go on sale in june, but now the sources say maybe september Gurman sources also saying apple's ultimate aim with the iphone is to remove all the ports Including the lightning port forget usbc. They just want to go wireless But to get to that goal they have to crack air power first and make wireless charging viable I'm curious to see how in their internal timeline for apple How close they think removing all ports I mean it's got to be at least a couple of years if not more, right? I think that that's that's far I mean like even at house slow That that a chi charging is like That does not seem viable. Well, and what apple's doing. I said ipad by the way I meant air pods the headphones what apple says they're doing or seems to be doing is Making their own standard that is interoperable with chi But when they implement it in air power, it'll be even faster Yeah, and the whole delay is probably why I had completely forgotten that we even heard about air power of last september When I read the story this morning, I was like, oh, yeah, whatever happened with that You know supply chain issues september isn't so far. I welcome a wireless future somehow some way I you know, I mean my life is a series of dongles, but I agree that I can't imagine how that would work with any of the stuff that I currently have I mean it's a whole yeah, it's another at least a couple of cycles Yeah, look at the end of the night. I take off my apple watch. I charge my phone and my wife has the air pods So it's like it would be nice if we just put them down on one little nice dinner plate instead of having 50 different cords My resistance to getting rid of ports is that wireless has never been reliable as reliable as wires But as wireless technology gets better that objection starts to go away for me I actually use wi-fi a lot more than I used to Uh, so maybe this is delay is good. It means we're making sure we get it right So when you get it it works reliably all the time Microsoft's cheap marketing officer mike nickles told games industry dot biz At e3 last week that the company isn't working on vr or mixed reality support for the xbox xbox chief phil spencer said in june 2016 that the xbox one x console Would be quote hardware hardware built specifically to lead the console industry into true 4k gaming and high fidelity vr Unquote spencer reiterated the promise to senet in june 2017 Although at that same time he expressed doubts to giant bomb about whether vr was ready And a statement to address the apparent change of plans microsoft said it is focusing on windows mixed reality on pc I think so it doesn't mean they're not going to do it. It just well priority Uh, it's that no, I mean the chief marketing officer is saying we're not going to do it on the xbox forget it Uh, it sounds like there was an internal argument where phil spencer was saying we probably should do it We are going to do it. This guy over here thinks we could do it, but i'm starting to get skeptical I can't even tell which side of the spencer was on but now they're not going to do it Console vr even in this nascent era of virtual reality to me is the mushy middle that nobody really wants It does not have the portability of having a overpowered phone or some sort of a dedicated device that could be truly Wireless nor does it have the engrossing nature of room scale vr like the htc vive you are tethered to your Television which is silly Because you're going to have a headset on and you really only are able to sit down It is the worst of all worlds and i'm glad that xbox is right Nothing could be worse than being tethered to your own television Well, I mean for that Yeah, I think it's like it's like if you're going to be tethered like we have the htc vive here in the studio It's great because you can walk around or you want something that has a lower fidelity where you're able to walk around more That's such a key element of vr I am oh wireless charging Well, there we go. That's a little different. But yeah, I know I get I get what you're saying Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company or tsmc says it expects to invest 29 billion dollars in five nanometer node technology stmc is currently fabricating seven nanometer chips for the 2018 iphone So this tends to suggest that tsmc will stick around as apple's a series chip maker at least for some time tsmc has exclusively produced apples a series chips since the a9 Yeah, it's easy to get confused. This is not a leak saying we hear tsmc It's tsmc coming and saying yeah, we're we're going to invest 25 billion dollars in five nanometer node technology And everyone else going well your biggest client is apple and you use the seven nanometer for the apple So this means a you're sticking with apple as a client. You're not getting dropped and b I guess you're making an a series chip on the five nanometer node, which goes back to that intel story They're having problems Getting down into those smaller nanometer fabs to make their chips that that has been delayed more than they expected And so this is not good news for an intel and great news for apple Consentually As far as we know, yeah Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines available on your amazon echo on your google home and as a podcast at dailytechheadlines.com Okay, so In a 5-4 decision with the majority opinion written by justice anthony kennedy The u.s supreme court overturned its own 1990 decision on state tax collection meaning u.s states May now collect sales tax on businesses who do not have a presence in that state I'll explain a little more later. This doesn't really affect the big guys Most of them were already paying state tax in most u.s states amazon For any direct sales was already paying u.s sales tax in every u.s state that had sales tax but This really does change the landscape for things and i want to go through if you if you don't mind a little bit of the legal history here Won't take too long with this Go ahead. I'm going. Thank you. Thank you. We go all the way back to 1967's national bellis Hess versus department of revenue of the state of illinois That was one landmark decision that held that the commerce clause of the u.s constitution That says congress regulates commerce between the states Would keep states from taxing out of state retailers who only use common carriers or us mail So the the case said look the state of illinois can't tax somebody from outside the state of illinois If the only business they do in illinois is sending things into illinois by mail or by freight In 1976 another case called complete auto transit versus brady Had a similar test case and in that decision They came up with a four-part test to determine if a company should be subject to a state tax or not The four parts are is it related to state services? Is it nondiscriminatory? Is it fairly apportioned based on interest to entrust state commerce? But the big one was the company the retail company Had a connection to the state And it was it was phrased I think as a nexus in the state But it was there some kind of connection between that retailer in the state It was a catalog merchant in new hampshire and all they did was send things by mail that wasn't considered a connection All right 1992. This is the big one quill corp versus height camp or sometimes quill corp versus north dakota depending on how you see it cited Where north dakota tried to collect tax from quill corp for catalog sales They they tried to buck the trend and say no, this is a connection. We're going to prove in court. This is a connection The court said that the existence of customers alone an economic presence did not create a sufficient connection quill corp has been used as the rock solid like nexus as in in the 1976 decision means you have to have a warehouse you have to have a retail store You have to have a physical presence that has been the rule up until now This decision that we just talked about South dakota versus wayfair a lot of people think this is an amazon case. It's not it's wayfair The court ruled that e-commerce has turned that quill rule from 1992 Into a tax shelter that kennedy used those words attack. It's a it's basically a tax shelter Called it unsound and incorrect And said the court should not maintain a rule that ignores substantial virtual connections to a state and said the act applies only to sellers who engage in a significant quantity of business in the state and respondents are large national companies that undoubtedly maintain an extensive Virtual presence. So essentially what justice kennedy did is said. Yeah, you have to have a presence in the state But if you've got a huge website that everyone in that state uses That's a virtual presence and you can't use it as a way to get out of taxes So what are the effects going to be? Well, that's what we can debate amazon Already lost the battle to avoid state taxes in california in september 2012 and state after state followed after that by early 2017 amazon was charging sales taxes in all 45 states that have statewide sales taxes and in washington dc However, that has only applied to stuff that amazon sells you a lot of third party sellers sell things on amazon dot com That amazon said well, that's between you and your state whether you collect state taxes or not We're not going to police that so this decision may change that liability a little bit you know I oftentimes think about the wild west days of the internet and describe them in the terms of The television series deadwood which is about this wild west outpost slowly coming under the law of the land Which makes it awesome that this decision comes from south dakota but there is The just this is the the end of the age of innocence Right like at a certain point when the internet becomes a large enough portion of our economy There's going to be a way that government will make sure that it is taxed. That's That's the the the way of the world and this is to me It's it's an interesting Uh watershed that it happens now in 2018, but it was bound to happen And gardener in our chat room said this is only about who pays the tax, right? I mean the individual might still own a use tax and there are some use tax situations like in the state of california But no After quill after the decision of quill the rule was if you don't have a physical presence in the state Then you don't owe the tax. Uh, nobody owes the tax Uh, the the customer or you nobody owes the tax. That's considered interstate commerce Uh, and what this decision changes is says well, it doesn't have to be physical It can be virtual Uh, and it kind of leaves that door open about what is virtual presence There's some language in this decision that could be a boon to small businesses to say Well, I don't have a widespread virtual presence in iowa I've had two customers there last year who ordered something I should be exempt from this virtual presence rule that justice kennedy put down Well, I mean that would easily be solved if somehow there was a definition of what the presence was Is it five customers in a year? Is it, you know, like what what what constitutes a company not being able to argue that And also I don't know how many third-party sellers offhand amazon has overall at least in the us But I know there are lots and there are you know, varying sizes How does this affect some of the smaller companies that uh, you know That that really have to think about prices and don't want them to go up Well, I mean amazon has two million plus third-party sellers. Okay, so You know, I'm a third-party seller on amazon, uh for for the contender, you know that uh, It is listed there. It is stored at their website is fulfilled through amazon and That is something that now I will say this if you are an entrepreneur and you are a coder uh having easy said it and forget it ways that a Shopify store can Uh fill out a tax return or pay as you go with a state will be something that will be very very very valuable going forward Yeah, uh, it might be worth noting. Uh, the chief justice john roberts dissented from The decision of justice kennedy, uh because of the disproportionate effect on small businesses He he used some very quaint examples of of people selling their sewing and and crafts And saying up till now you could just have a website and do that and not worry about it You you'd charge the sales tax for the people in your state and you wouldn't worry about everybody else He's like now you're going to have to deal with multiple state tax rules Uh, and that could stop people from starting these small businesses or Force them to go into partnership with larger companies. Fine. John roberts is etsy account You judge 420 I wonder Yeah, it's um, that's that's a good point. I mean, yeah, I don't know how many people are running You know sewing businesses online, but um a lot How many I don't know You had the third party seller information at the ready when I asked for that I had to search for that. I didn't have it at the ready. Well, you were you were you're a good searcher You were that was a quick search. I know. Yeah, but uh, yeah As you mentioned, um at the beginning of our discussion tom Amazon's already dealing with this the amazon's a huge company that don't really care smaller companies This matters and if you're a third party seller and you're I don't know On the small side or we're just starting out. Uh, these are the you know these these rules completely changed your business potentially and you know what you have to um what you have to Tell your customers and what you have to charge And that's all I have to say about that I don't think that that there's that there's you know much here beyond this is you know Again, it is the end of innocence. The free internet Is done as we knew it There you heard it here the end of innocence state taxes I was going to say people starting a business This is chief justice john roberts People starting a business selling their embroidered pillowcases are carved decoys can offer their wares throughout the country But probably not if they have to figure out the tax due on every sale see sales taxes report 22 Indicating the cost will likely increase the most for businesses that do not have established legal teams Software systems or outside counsel to assist with compliance related questions Do you do you think that uh chief justice john roberts is like a sad etsy husband? Like he's like on the internet wearing a beanie that is like chief justice renquist Thought for the right of parody because he loved parody Cartoons political cartoons could be the same thing with chief justice See how john roberts. Who knows who knows? But yeah, I do think this is a turning point back to what you were saying sarah I think this is a turning point uh for the internet where we've we've been saying for a long time We probably need new rules because the old rules don't fit this new situation much very well This is another example of that. I I I really do hope that paying these taxes that there's an onus on state governments, which If you've ever tried to pay state taxes Uh that that you don't live in those states it can be onerous and awful and confusing and outdated I hope that along with this new revenue comes the ability for states to make it modern and easy to if not pay Quicker, but even the pays you go man. If I could just immediately on every sale It could I could just kick the six cents to the state of Iowa. Man, it'd be great Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit Submit stories and also vote on other stories that you want us to talk about at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We're also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash Can you guess daily tech news show? I'm expecting right now Someone's writing us an email about value added tax and how that works in europe and would solve all your problems But what's in our mailbag right now sarah? Well, okay So I kind of threw this in here because yesterday we were talking about amazon wardrobe And mentioning that you get clothes you got seven days You keep stuff and then you send the other stuff back and my reaction was So where's the warehouse with all that used clothing and tom's like well, you don't wear it He just tried on like a dressy room and I was like, ah, you're so naive Anyway, andrew from montreal says my mother used to work at a big upscale department store in canada Customers used to come in on a friday buy an outfit and then just somehow return it on monday company policy Take it back. So no questions asked the chain went under a long while back So maybe being nice wasn't wasn't really what worked He says the returned garments had that lived-in look about them But the sale tag was always still on so what are you gonna say my mother once said And this is her talking to somebody returning the garment Don't you hate that they served dried out chicken at weddings? And you would picture a confused squirming person standing in front of her That's brit humored by the way because I didn't really get it But I assumed that well because the person obviously wore the dress to a wedding and now is returning it, right? I think that's the idea Yeah, that Anyway, the end of my innocence about try before you buy I mean, this is not the you know an issue that amazon is like inventing department stores have it any other service stitchfix letot all I Probably know somebody You know who will not be named here because it doesn't matter who might have worn something That she couldn't afford he or she he or she And hidden a tag cleverly and wore to a wedding and then taken it back I might know several people involved in television production who regularly Buy things Use them in the production return them not just clothing and i'm not even talking about the people you think i'm talking about I've seen it lots I may or may not know somebody who once purchased over 500 dollars worth of electronics from a best buy And then immediately returned it upon using it for a scavenger hunt. He was put it on no idea who you're talking about No idea scavenger hunt I thought he just wanted to use the equipment. No, yeah, it was it was for to a monetary gain Bunch of thieves. Yeah, I'll tell you clothing electronics. My goodness. Uh, just remember young not a thief At least not today. Uh, just and you were with us on monday. What's been happening since then? Well, I'll tell you what I've been writing my free political newsletter. That's what sarah Everybody can go get it free political newsletter dot com now. Listen. I've plugged this on the show a few times But I want to get this out there to people sometimes When you sign up for the free political newsletter at free political newsletter dot com the Uh confirmation email goes into your spam Hmm You have thought you've signed up and you just never got a confirmation email and you never got another email from me Then go ahead into your spam folder. 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So we brought all these costumes, but I forgot all the cameras So I got to roll into a best buy and buy All these like and they were flip cameras that we used Whatever was the latter equivalent literally the last I had to go to three different best buys to buy all these The flip ask kind of cameras Now that's not the bad part just by the fact that I did buy all that and then I returned it Here's the bad part When I went to go do the game part of the fun is that I would do the game in a tuxedo because we would end The uh event with a little award ceremony and so I'd be the host and so I was wearing a tuxedo I also of course because I was flying into charlotte. I got a rental car So i'm in a brand new car in a tuxedo And as I was leaving the venue Uh in this uh a prime Garage in downtown charlotte. I realized that I forgot my wallet So I have no money as the guy at the Uh toll booth is asking me to pay the 40 dollars or whatever because I was parked in this awesome garage all day I'm in a tuxedo in a brand new car and I just look up in the eye and say I don't have any money He looks at me with the look of such ridiculousness that he's like I guess you go for free and I'm like, okay I've never felt worse than look are you in the tux? I'm in the tux. I'm wearing the tuxedo in a brand new car Was the wallet ever recovered or tux in car? Oh, no, it was in the hotel. It was in my hotel Oh, okay, so you didn't lose it. You just it wasn't You forgot it in the hotel it right And I You know went to go return the 500 dollars worth of obsolete cameras that I had purchased earlier that wow Now wait, I mean assuming that you flew to charlotte What did you just forget a suitcase that had the cameras on them or yeah, it was just one of those just one of those things I mean, I've done that so many times That that that game included a lot of stuff because you have to pack all the props So it's like I had I was dragging around like four bags of stuff Just in those four bags of stuff were not The components that I needed for the entire game. I have like a podcasting, you know Rig that's for mobile, you know, it's like there's microphones and there's cables and there's you know, the amp and all that stuff I know exactly where it all goes and it all fits in the same way Somehow and I've done this a million times gotten on a plane the whole thing Somehow one of these times I just forgot all the X all our cables I don't know why I don't even remember taking them out of the backpack and It was what you know and you kind of unpack and you know We've got a guest and there's this whole thing that has to happen and it was like Emergency tearful trip to guitar center. Oh, wow, you know in san francisco where I'm like banging on the door Before 10 knowing that they open at 10. It's like 956 like you really have to help me. Please I can't be seen as a fool. I need XLR cables. It all worked out in the end. But yeah, it was a um One of those things are you like I do this so many times. How did I do it differently somehow this time? It's I've done. Oh a million of those from from the go game They're like wherever you need just the one cord that you absolutely need to plug into the tv All I do is just flash back to that one saturday Three months ago when I was like, oh, we'll just plug in my computer with the cord that I have In my bag from the go game like I'll just all of course I'll remember to put it back in there and it's like you can never break up your kit And you can oh you always have to bring your entire kit no matter what even if you only ever normally use three cords You have to bring all 50 cords at all times and never break it up or else Disaster awaits you it's so true and everything has to go in a certain order or you're gonna mess everything up And if somebody calls you on the phone while you're packing your backpack take it all out and start over Oh, yeah said that's already messed it up 100% also Whenever you have the thought I mean, when do I use this punch yourself? Like just well it doesn't matter It's gonna be better that you carry that weight of of whatever that cord is For the rest of your life. No dying I will testify to that That will be the thing you absolutely need on the next trip as soon as you take it out of your bag. Absolutely It's why I still have all of my international chargers like What do I have any plans to go to? Oh, yeah that requires them Nope Will I be happy that I left them in there forever despite the fact that they're cluttery and they You know, I'm surprised that I have them whenever I reach into my bag Uh, yep, it's worth it worth every second That said, I could not find a specific usb, uh, uh connector that I needed to connect an external hard drive to my macbook last night and I'm like I had a friend come over and he's I'm like, don't worry. I got you. I got boxes of these I didn't have a single one. I got usb many. I got usbc. I got uh usb to Hmi. I've got everything except the one that I I'm sure it's in this house somewhere, but 45 minutes into it. I was like It's the worst. Yeah, I know I have it and yet Yeah, it's as if it's gone What are we calling the show? So I was thinking uh death and internet taxes. Oh, that's a good one For the end of tax innocence I feel like we've done death and internet taxes before. What about chief justice etsy? Oh I just love the idea that chief justice john roberts is mad because of his you know, uh supreme court judge Is in a full full year job. So he probably does something on the side Kind of like a cellist. I think they get paid pretty good Yeah, well, no, but that's my like he has things he can do. He's got hobbies. Yeah. No, absolutely Uh, because they were pretty specific Carving decoys and what was the other one? It's about polo knitting or no, um broidery something broidered pillows I'm like, so this is what you and mrs. Roberts do what if it's just him? There is no mrs. I mean what if mrs roberts? I don't know just it's like I don't do this. I don't okay or that. Yeah, sure I don't know. Maybe maybe he made a huge investment in a new sewing machine I mean, there's nothing wrong with one carved the decoys in which one embroidered the pillows Maybe he carved the pillows and embroidered the decoys Maybe just made a mistake and that sounds very feathery. What do you think? Chief justice john roberts has on his embroidered pillows because I'm going all in with objection overruled No, it's going to be different kinds one will be sustained One will be Yeah, uh, one one pillow has it has overruled on one side and sustained on the other right Without merit one of those I mean, they'll save that for you when you sleep over I'm actually looking at etsy for the first time in a long time. I just never was Much of an etsy buyer of things although there's really cool stuff I mean also, you know the sort of nitty and aspect of etsy that always gets thrown on is Just a small part of his name is john roberts full name chief justice john roberts. Yes Let's see you're looking for my netsy. Yeah But oh boy, there's some weird stuff people make and sell Look for gavel man or gavel man chaiju Joe ro I think that's a John roberts, you know, Joe, Joe roberts jumpsuit us John roberts vented jumpsuit size 14 I mean totally off topic somewhat not so not totally partly off topic Justice john roberts joined the justices who are often seen as the liberal justices sota mayor Yeah, no no he is not But he joined. Oh, I said, yeah, no it was but but but ginsburg Was cited on the majority opinion and ginsburg went on the majority. Yeah, it's I One of the things I love about the supreme court is Because they're appointed for life and there's no more political pressure once they're appointed appointed Uh, they tend to just kind of drift and be like, well, yeah, but what about embroidered pillows? Don't don't don't get me started. This is where I will always get yelled at By people politically because when it comes down to election season and people are motivated to vote because of the supreme court I'm always carl contrarian sitting in his contrarian contraption Contrarian that when you look at the voting history of of supreme court justices no matter how Conservative or liberal that the presidents that put them in they once you give these people absolute power for life They tend to do whatever the hell they want. Yeah Now sometimes that has been Like four to pointy's being seen as liberal members of the court later in life Uh, sometimes it's just like kind of you just don't know what to expect like chief justice or not chief justice justice thomas You just kind of don't know where he's going to go sometimes He's all over the place Well, I do remember there was that article on 538 that kind of plotted the justices um rulings over time and they all kind of eventually tend to moderate so like if they were very You know one way or another just over time. It's like yeah Well, I'm sort of a supreme court fan, you know just a fan of the I have my my uh my foam gavel. Yeah Do you have do you have the uh not the worth not apron the um the robe like robes? Yeah I have the uh, I have the replica robes of my favorite justices With their numbers on the back You know, I will I've always wondered if we can't if we get the wigs. Yeah oral argument worn robe Oh Tom's birthday's in a week everyone Don't think this is accidental We all know what to give Is this a chief justice warren rookie card we could do like supreme court week I don't know when but when they're when they're sitting doing they're issuing their decisions like now And and yeah do kind of like a costume thing I don't know how well that would go over but I like the idea of wearing a powdered wig Who doesn't right? I need to bring that back. Although like in Canada the supreme court of Canada they kind of dress like Santa Claus Because it's all red You know Santa red Uh the parooks that's what they're called P. E. R. U. K. E. S. Sorry the card says moops Here, let me see. Oh, I will uh This is sure this There's a uh, there's a place in the UK that makes the parooks for all the barristers and all the Judges and they you can buy one you can go there and get one Just and I think you were on the show the day that I was like, oh the handmade stale season finale and you were like, no That's like five more. Um, so see our episode 10 is the latest one. I watched it last night It's funny because when the show started I won't spoil anything for anybody who hasn't seen it or is behind But you would know, you know, it's people are like, I think this might be the darkest show I've ever seen Um, and I would have said the same thing like I don't even know if I can handle this And then it got really good and it's still really good, but how it's getting dark again Oh, well and the problem with that last episode is that it kind of felt Like I understood run out like like agony There's there's two gigantic emotional moments and one of which I think is a payoff to a larger kind of thing and the other was just like Did you guys just have like the cruelty quotient where it's like I got we're fine. Let's just do something Right. I'm like, I've already like suffered through that like I know I know how this all works here and in this society of ours You know And you know people are are treated very unfairly, but um, it's still so good though I don't think I've ever watched anything that I consistently was like Man, this is depressing and sad and dark and meh, but also I'm really excited to see what happens I I I've kind of gone back and forth on this season because I really liked it a couple episodes ago Because I think it is at its best when it's kind of dystopic near fiction game of thrones and and we are talking about The the power plays on dine like the story is about who's in power who's out of power whether or not This is going to hold right and then the emotional beats are obviously living in this weird world Uh in a way the game of thrones has done really really well, and I think it's at It's less good When it is just about hey, isn't this place awful? Story wise it doesn't churn quite as fast Uh, but I think it's been I've liked the second season a lot more than I like the first season More in the post post show. Thanks everybody who's watching on the video. We'll talk to you guys soon and