 No, no, no, there's no time. So it makes no changes. There's my family. Yeah. So we are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I worked for the city. I'm here with Jennifer, the director of library Jennifer Murray, who also works for the city and just for avenue who works for the city. And we three, along with the representatives of the board of trustees, who good for him could not be very busy to add a swim, a seven championship swim in Boston. He's very happy to be there, but with that tonight. But so he's also part of helping the wonderful design team that is working to listen and hear from you what type of design is the best for the community. And so we have Dennis Humphries, who will be doing most of the presentation tonight. He's here from Denver from Holy. Steve Roy, who is leading the design team from Wayman Lanfair, right here in Colchester. He's also a South Burlington resident. Tim Duff, who is from Wayman Lanfair, South Burlington resident, and Michael Maneu, who's been doing lots of wonderful drawings that you may have had a chance to start seeing already. And we're going to hear a lot about tonight. And I don't know the last gentleman. James Berry, who I've seen his name before, but it's the first time we meet. Nice to meet you. So welcome. I know a lot of you have worked on this either as a board of trustees. You've come to meetings before. There may be a few new faces. Has anyone not come to the earlier meetings or not see any? Okay, great. Welcome. So there's lots of ideas here and we want to give you what you guys think. So Dennis is going to help you through that whole time. Yeah. Our goal tonight is to get you out of here by nine, but as always with city meetings, we'll stick around afterwards for individual Q&A, but trying to have a nine o'clock. But we'll be here as long as needed afterwards to talk to anyone. Okay. Well, thank you for coming. I'm really impressed that you all ventured out on a night like tonight. I thought when it starts snowing later this afternoon, that was going to be the end of it. But you all have really impressed me. This is Vermont. Well, I'm from Colorado, so we don't have snow like this. But anyway, so we're here tonight to talk about the new city hall and library. And we're talking about why do we need a new library? Why do we need a new city hall? And these are some of the issues that we've brought up that we really have the absence of an identifiable and appropriate civic center, civic and cultural center. As you're aware, we have an aging and less efficient city hall than we might. The library is currently in a temporary space in the mall. It's in, I think, about 8,700 square feet or something of that sort. 67. 67? Okay, even smaller. Yeah, smaller. So, yeah, so it's in a very small space and there's really an inability to meet the public's demands for technology, a lack of space for community groups to meet, as you probably have all encountered in the past, insufficient space to accommodate the collections and resources that the library and the city have to offer. And we have deficient spaces to appropriately reinforce age centered learning. So right now we really don't have spaces that are good for separating teens and children, twins and all of those types of things. So those are some of the things that we're going to look for. And then we think that there's a time for a new vision, a 21st century library that can serve as the living room for the community, not just the library, but also the city hall. We can create a cultural and social center at the library. We can realize the opportunity for shared synergy. So with this building, with the library and the city hall being combined, it allows us the flexibility to schedule meeting rooms that could be used by either organization, could be used for staff purposes of shared facilities to support staff and things of that sort. It's a great opportunity there. This building could become a catalyst or it will become the catalyst for the city center that is being planned on Market Street. It also will inspire learning opportunities for all generations. So I mentioned that we have that deficiency in the whys and we can expand the online and physical collections. So we know that we have the ability and desire to have more books and more resources available to us. And finally, we can foster a sustainable resource for the community. So by that, I mean a building that will allow the taxpayers to have something in their future that will not cost necessarily a significant amount of money to run so we can look at using renewable energy sources. We can look at other types of sustainable building sources as well. So as many of you have seen, we have been here and conducted a number of meetings. We've also gone out and met with various groups and we're going to continue to do that. But to date we've met with school groups. We've met with the library groups, the board of trustees, the friends of the library, the city and library staff. And most importantly, we had two very well attended public meetings about a month ago. And at that point I did what I called a mind breaking session where we showed images of libraries from around the world. And we asked you what you liked and what you didn't like. And we generated, I don't know, close to 500 comments that came back from that meeting. And we used post-it notes that you see here. And so you all have post-it notes. And it's sort of a 20th century version of Twitter. So you just write down what you feel like you want to communicate and then we'll post those up. So I want you to, if you don't have those, Jennifer has plenty over here. We also have pens for you to use. And so it's our forum of communicating tonight. And just as we did with our public meetings, this word cloud here represents the compilation of all of the comments. And the larger the words, the more frequent we heard them. And so we heard fireplace, we heard meetings, natural light, art, self-checkout. So these are things that we heard during the meeting. And we have that clear list that we will keep with us as we go through this process. So where are we today in the process? So this is when we started in January. And this is when we hope to do the ribbon cutting in April of 2020. And so today we're here. So you can see we've got a long ways to go. And so today we're still asking for your feedback and your thoughts on what will make this a library and city hall for South Burlington. And so I want to continue to reinforce the ideas that were still in the gathering mode, even though we have drawings that suggest what the building might look like, or how the building floor plan might lay out, etc. So today we're going to present three options. The options, I'll get into each one of those and I'll present those to you tonight and talk about what are some of the attributes that could make that option very special. And then we're going to go and break out into the three areas. And the team that you saw up here will be staffing each one of those. And we're going to want you to go and spend about 10 minutes at each of these stations and then write further comments or we'll hear further comments from you. And again, we want to hear things you don't like as well as we want to hear things that you do like. And hopefully there's a lot of things you do like. And then on Tuesday we're going to meet with the core team which includes the city and the design team and others and talk about what we heard tonight. And we have another presentation on Saturday. And that's at 10 o'clock on Saturday, same right here. And we want to, we'll go through all of those comments. We'll do our own self-evaluation of the three options. And then on Tuesday at 7 o'clock here we are going to unveil the preferred option and talk about going forward from that point. So your feedback is very important to us today, Saturday, and ongoing. And on Tuesday. And on Tuesday, right, right. So the site, as I think you're all familiar, is on Market Street, right next to Alert Square, the residential multifamily project that's just finishing construction. And this is intended to be, as you can see, these footprints of these buildings are intended to be this new city center of mixed use, a very walkable community, a neighborhood, one that will have retail at the ground floor and office or multifamily above. We've got the school site to the north here. And right now the school driveway comes through here. And so we're going to be relocating that and creating what we're calling a new street. And so that street will align here. And so that gives us about a half acre of property to build upon. And we're looking at approximately a 50,000 square foot building. And when I show you these three options tonight, some may look a little bit bigger than others, but that's because we're in this diagrammatic phase. So we haven't really honed in on all the specifics. And so we are again talking 50,000 square feet, and we're talking three stories. So some of the features that are in all of the designs are that we heard, if you saw in the word cloud, natural light, natural materials was very important. Lots of great views. Fireplace was something that came about with comfortable seating, having a tween space, having a teen space, having potential maker space, a creative space for a variety of things, having study rooms and meeting rooms of a variety of sizes. So individuals or groups of folks can come in or organizations can come in. We also are looking at having nooks, places where you can sort of escape and read or do whatever you want. So we're going to have a self-checkout, having a digital lab, having public art. So we've already met with the Public Art Commission. And this particular library is in Wyoming. And just as an example, it was done by an artist from the East Coast, but it was every time somebody checks out a book in Wyoming, these LED lights start to flash according to the subject that the book is on. Really? Yeah, really. And so this is a photograph that we took and so they're all on, but it's very animated. So that's how public art can be integrated into the lobby of a building. This happened to be in Jackson Hole. And then having a children's area that's all very defined, it's very special for that age group, et cetera. So these are the three options that I'm going to go through very quickly. And as many of you saw as you came in early, you saw the renderings in the back that the staff have been working on. And so we're calling option A the center of activity. And we're calling it the center of activity because this is Market Street. This is the new street that goes back to the school. The school is here. This is Allard Square. And then this is the three-story building. So we have a glass facade on Market Street with a two-story atrium space, very dynamic. We're calling it a large living room that is coming along in this area here. And it has an outdoor room on the very corner in the very southeast corner that'll have wonderful views of looking down Market Street and into the city center. As you can see, our diagrams show a lot of green roof and a lot of solar panels. So we're really trying to make sure that this is a sustainable building and a very inviting building. And then option B, we're calling it the urban oasis. And the reason that we did this one is because it has a civic plaza right here on the corner. So when we start thinking about public buildings, especially a city hall, it's an opportunity for a place to celebrate. It's a place to protest. It's a place to come. We could have other activities out there such as related to the library that might be face painting. It might be a maker fair. We suggested maybe a small farmer's market. All kinds of things could happen on this public plaza that would be at the corner here. And then on this particular plan, we also moved the children up to the upper level, the second floor. And they might have their own outside decks to go out onto and have activities. And then this particular one is a three-story library. And we've created the grand reading room up here in this area because we heard from our meetings that there was a desire to have the reading levels at the adult reading room at the highest level with the greatest views, great daylight. And then when we do that, we can shape the space with a roof that might be unique. And so it's not just tucked away. So that's what option B is in a nutshell. So you have to go quite up to the third level. Do you stare for escalators? So when you come up to here, you mean? No. Oh, to the reading room. There are stairs and elevators. So I'll get into those details. So we're making sure that the building is universally accessible to everyone. And so whenever we have a level, we always will provide an elevator or a ramp or a stair or all of the above. So even on these plazas here, we're showing it elevated a bit, but we have a very gentle sloping walkway here so everyone has access to the building. And then option C is what we call the step terrace. And as you can see, the building kind of steps down to the corner. And we have this outdoor space on the second floor, and we have a large roof on the roof of the second floor that the city hall can come out onto. The adult collection on this particular plan is all on one floor. And I'll get into that in a little more detail as we go through this, which results in a very efficient operation because it probably reduces the staff a little bit in terms of the staffing levels that would be required. So these are the three options that we're presenting. And we'll go through these and I'll spend a lot of time on option A because I want to make sure you all understand some of the unique aspects of the library. And then I'll go more quickly through option B and C because I'll just talk about what are the unique pieces about those. And then we can have some chance for questions and then we'll break out into the individual groups. So option A, the center for activity. This is a street perspective on Market Street looking towards the, I'll call it the west as Market Street bends around here. And you can see that this presents a very dynamic and striking presence on Market Street. So we build more or less to the property line. And we have on the corner here that outdoor room. And this happens to be the living room of the library down here on the first level. So in plan, the way that works, so this is Market Street down here, the new street going back to the school here. And one other piece that I should mention is that if any of you have driven by the site, you see that Allard Square has a below grade parking level. And its access point is right here. So what we're doing is we're accommodating a ramp down that would come into their lower level there. And that may allow us to have some underground area or basement space as well. So in two of these options, we have that coming down at that end and we have one other option where it's coming off this new street over here. So getting back to the building, so the building is fronting on Market Street. So this would be where the entry in, the vestibule coming into the lobby. This is a two-story space. You come in and we have a welcome center or information desk there. And that could be a one-stop shop where different services could be addressed or if you came in and you had a meeting with Justin or somebody that you would have that, the person who is staffing this desk would call and have that all arranged for you to go up or he would come down. We have the city clerk's office here which has a lot of high volume of traffic coming to it. And then we have, as I mentioned, a two-story lobby. So we have a grand stair coming up here. We also have an elevator here. We have restrooms back here. And we also have access from the north where we have a drop-off area that we could have book drop-off. We could have service and things like that. I'm sorry? Oh, what now? Just saying go to the next slide. Oh, okay, okay. So, got it. So we also can come into the library here which we have the living room, fiction, and children. And then as Steve is trying to get me to move forward here, we have this broken down into different pieces. So I'm sorry I got too involved in the discussion here. But this is the two-story lobby, maybe an image of some of the activity that may take place there. This is the information desk. And then we have that stair going up to the second floor. We also on this level have a multi-purpose room that would accommodate 30 to 40 folks. And it would have a flat floor. And it could be set up much like this for various types of meetings. We have it designed so it could be used without being involved in the library or we could have it accessed only by the library. So it's really one of those shared spaces. It has a small kitchenette and would be a great room for groups to meet in. So then I mentioned the living room, which is in this area here. And so this is where we see that the Friends of the Library Bookshop could take place. We have a fireplace with comfortable seating around it. We may have an area to serve some coffee or vending machines. We'll have large print books. We'll have periodicals and things of that sort that people would want to come in and read immediately. We're also exploring the idea, potentially a garage door here that could open this space up to the sidewalk. And in the four or five months of the year, we could have this sort of sidewalk cafe coming into the library. And it's possible that we could lock that off from the rest of the library. So this would be a very unique space that would be very welcoming to people coming to the library and being able to read a newspaper or to just sit and read right off the street. So it's much like a retail area. And then the entry from the lobby to the library is right here. And then the star represents this circulation desk. So this is where people coming into the library would be greeted by staff. And then in this area here, we have fiction. And so we have reading areas along the windows. This is the circulation desk, potentially at this location here. We have staff areas over here. The multi-purpose room is being here. And we have a stair and an elevator that is used exclusively for the library at this location since the library is a two-story library in this particular option. And then further back, we have the children's area, which would be defined by a glass wall that would acoustically separate the activities that take place back here so kids can be kids. And we have their own restroom, a family restroom back here. We have staff work area back there. And then in the upper corner, we have an activity room and we have a separate area for the tweens so that everybody is being accommodated. And then we have an area for storytime over here in this corner. And then we have our own service desk for the children's library back in that corner. So the first floor then is the living room, fiction, and children on this particular option here. So then as we come to the second level, we've got the stair and the elevator coming up here to the left. And then over here, we have the stair coming up from the lobby and the elevator over here. And we have the auditorium, which is a room that would have the ability to accommodate about 100 people. We'll use some portable seating that will be tiered that can fold up. It's a concept that, if you've been at Studio One at VPR, it works very successful. And so as we come into continue our work on the library, in this area we have nonfiction. We have, again, reading areas along the windows and the stacks in the center. And then along the perimeter up here, we have study rooms and quiet reading. But this is where the stair and the elevator would bring somebody up from the second floor and our service desk is right here. So this might be a configuration of what the seating might look like along the windows. Our quiet reading room might have another fireplace back here in the northeast corner looking out to the recreation fields of the school. And then we have these study rooms of a variety sizes, two to four people, that would be glass walls so you could see into it. And once you're in the room, a very flexible room that would have white boards and smart boards and things of that sort, depending on the need. And then in the, we have our outdoor room here on the second level that would be partially covered and would have a variety of seating out there. And then we have reading adjacent to it, an open reading room, again with lots of daylight, lots of views, to and from that space, right here on the very pivotal corner of the building. And then we also have on this level a teen area, a young adult. Their collection is out here so everyone can come and use it if they want. But then when they have their own sort of lounge space where maybe there's some gaming going on, et cetera. And then there's a digital lab next to it. And the digital lab could be used by either the teens or it could be used by others when it's programmed as such. And you can see the service desk right here in the very center. So good ability to provide assistance to people on this floor. So it's a very efficient layout. We also have some staff areas along the backside here. And we haven't drawn windows in and things like that, but in all likelihood, we'd have lots of windows on the north side here so the staff have a great amount of natural light as well. So then I mentioned the auditorium is on the second level and this is a photograph from Studio One at VPR. And the seating would fold back and this would be a really wonderful, elegant space. We adjacent to that, then we have some shared meeting rooms. And one of the advantages of this scheme is, or this option I should say, is that these meeting rooms could be used by the library and locked off or they could be used in other hours and locked off here and used by the city and by other functions that may be using the auditorium. So this is a great opportunity for shared resources, shared meeting spaces in this option here. And then on the third floor of this option, we have the city manager's office, planning and zoning, meeting rooms, and we have a shared employee spaces that would be break rooms and a wellness center and things of that sort. So people who are visiting the city manager's office as an example would come by this elevator or this stair and come into the city hall at that level. So the city hall is essentially, in essence, the clerk's office on the first floor and planning, zoning, city manager's office and staff support areas on the third floor. These might represent skylights bringing daylight into the library below and then there's also a roof terrace and a roof deck that occurs on this level as well. And some of these meeting rooms, in terms of having a great amount of glass and views out, and this particular table was a piece of art that was created by an individual and maybe we have some of those that are offered in these shared meeting levels on level three. So that is how we have looked at option A, the Center for Activity. And so I'll go into option B here, which we call the Urban Oasis, which has this plaza and all this activity down at this space here. And it's the one where the library has the grand reading room on the third floor. So in general, the brown floor and the city halls functions are predominantly on the third floor with the library on the first and second floor on this side. So again, just a quick overview. This is the plaza, opportunity to the Urban Oasis. We have the entry into the lobby here. We have information desk, city clerk. We have the auditorium. And a lot of the features that were in the pictures that I shared of the other auditorium would be consistent here. We have restrooms down here. We have the multi-purpose room that I mentioned for 30 to 40 people down here. And then we have the entrance into the library, our living room, our service desk circulation, our staff work area. Fiction is down here. And we have the teens down here and a digital lab and study rooms down here. So that's a big difference from the previous scheme where we had pushed this building all the way down to here and that allowed for the living room, fiction and children's to be back here. In this option, we've pushed those back. So some of the primary differences, as I suggest, is a plaza that could be used for a variety of activities and programs. On the second floor, we have nonfiction and we have children's area is off to this left side of the drawing. And I should have mentioned that there is an elevator for the library that's right here and the stair, open stair for people from the first floor to come up to the second level and our service desk is right here. So we've got good observation of what's happening and we have study rooms and quiet reading and those types of spaces that are happening around the perimeter back there. And so in the children's area on the second floor, we have the ability, as I mentioned, to have a small roof terrace for children's activities. We still have the tween room, the storytelling, the activity room and then, going back one, is that we have the ability to have a stair that goes up to the third floor of the grand reading room, which is right at this point here. So as we go to the third floor then, that stair would then come up and we'd be at this level and we have this reading room that I call it more of a reading loft. So we have our elevator that would bring us up to that level. The stair would bring us up to that level. We also have the ability to have an outdoor terrace looking out onto the green roof and there are areas that would be open to below. And so then this would define the third floor reading area and then the city hall with planning and zoning and the city manager's office, employee-shared support spaces and some meeting rooms taking the rest of that floor. We do have some other stairs that we're showing, but these are more for egress for fire purposes. But we see most people using this elevator and this stair as they would come and meet with city staff and they would then be using these meeting rooms which also could be shared by the library as well. So this is that reading room. On the third floor, maybe it has a sort of a vaulted ceiling, lots of daylight coming into it with that roost terrace and the ability to be sitting right next to some native grasses and things of that sort. And then the final option is option C, which we call the step terrace, which you can see kind of comes back like this and one of the major differences of this option is that we have the ramp coming down on the north side and coming down to serve the lower level and our building on the ground floor doesn't have the plaza, but it has a little more space here coming back with the entry, coming into a one-story lobby, the auditorium, the information desk, the city clerks and the restrooms with a door to the north for drop-off and things of that sort. So coming in to the library, we have the living room with periodicals, large print down here that could have the fireplace, maybe an area for serving coffee and then the children's is down here in a little bit different configuration than they were in the other scheme, but still having an activity room and tween space. And I should also say we always would have a restroom in the children's area separate from the rest of the library. So this is that entry terrace. And then in the second floor, we have, I mentioned the adult collection is all on this floor. So we have fiction and nonfiction. We also have teens. So along the northern portion, we have the teen library, a lounge area that would be separated by a wall of glass, the digital lab. We have staff, additional staff areas. Our service desk is right here. We have a large, this is that first step terrace. So we have this large outdoor space here. We have quiet reading located here, looking out to that terrace. The stair that would go down to the first floor service desk. And we have our own restrooms and study rooms along this side here and another nice little jewel box of reading here and a multi-purpose room with kitchenette, very consistent with the others. Only this one is on the second floor as opposed to the other two options were on the first floor. So this is what maybe that corner reading area might look like, looking down Market Street to the west. These meeting rooms might have garage doors that can open to the rest of the library. And then we have all the adult collection on one floor and this open roof terrace here on the corner. And then the third floor is the city hall and it has the same functions as the other third floor in city halls with planning and zoning, city manager, employee support, meeting rooms. This would be the elevator and the stair for visitors to the city hall offices on this third floor. And then we have a roof terrace here that could be accessed by visitors to city hall as well as to staff working in the city hall. So that represents the three options that we have presented. So perhaps this is, you know, what the deck might look like here for having a staff come out and the public come out and use that area for meetings or for lunches and things like that. So that's where we're at today. So if you remember, we're just in the beginning and we're not suggesting any one of these options is perfect and has all of the issues solved. But as we've gone through and met with the library board, we've met with library staff, a lot of questions have been raised about how do we do this and they start to ask about, well, where do various aspects of the building really want to be? And there's obviously pros and cons to why the children might be on the first floor versus the second floor. And so what we want to do now, it's a quarter till eight. So what we'd like to do is break out, after we take a few questions, we'll break out into these three groups and then you can start to really hone in on what elements of the design or maybe you like the entire design but there's just a few tweaks that you'd like to see changed. And we need to hear your feedback. So yes. A quick question. For each of the three designs, what's the size of the square footage for the library and for the city functions? Okay. So the total building is approximately 50,000 square feet. The city hall is approximately 15,000 of that 30,000 or 50,000 and the library is about 35,000. Now, yeah, in each case, that was the goal. Now some of that space is part of the lobby. So the lobby part of it goes to the city hall, part of it goes to the library. So the actual library space that we've programmed is about 31,000 square feet. So that's why the building as a unified whole. I mean, if we were to build a freestanding library, it would be larger than 31,000 because we'd have to provide a lot of these shared facilities as for only one purpose so that we get a lot of savings by combining the buildings. But it's 50,000, 15 and 35. Yes, sir. Is the auditorium will double as the council chamber or is it separate council chamber? We are looking at it to be serving as the council chamber. So rather than being in a space like this, it would be in that room. The other question about the relative space for city management and planning and zoning, my experience around here, it should be the other way around. The bigger area in planning and zoning there are more people there rather than city managers, which is few people, is there a reason for that? We have a detailed program that was developed by the city. And so we've gone through and we can share that with you in terms of why it may seem that way. And I think where it may see that way today is just the way the space lays out. And so we'll, but we do have a detailed, yes, Alana. The other thing is that there's a lot of opportunity for digitization over between now and when this building is built. That's a great point. So that changes the space, the needs for many of the departments. Yes. I have a question about process when we go to the three options. If there's a comment that all three options, it would be a comment about all three options. Where do you want those? Just write those down and say apply to all three or all three. And we do want to make sure that you put in the corner of your sticky A if it's a comment that's specific to A, B. If it's specific to B and a C specific to C or if it's all, just say all or A, B and C. However you'd like to do it. Yes. I'm going to try and start in the front and work back. Yeah. I'd be trying to remember all the features and facilities that you give to those three plans. Is there any facility or function that this is one plan but not another plan? And I'm not talking about outdoor spaces and terraces and things like that. We try to accommodate every space in each one of the three options. So one is should not have one less meeting room or a smaller meeting rooms or things of that sort. They should be consistent throughout. That was our goal. We have a program that Jennifer developed for the library and we've been working with her in terms of how the collection is presented in terms of the height the shelving and spacing the shelving. Our goal again is to make sure that each one of the three options would be consistent other than how they're expressed. I'll go to you, yes. Existing library. I think it would be very helpful for a lot of people to see how much is in stack area and actual library function versus public meeting function versus city office functions and then core areas because 25 years ago I worked on a library project and they told us in 20 years they wouldn't have stacks anymore. And I'm just looking at all this library space and thinking do we really need that kind of library space and then I saw a digital lab as being one room where I kind of think most campus, at least college campuses that I've worked with in schools are considering their whole library more of a digital lab now. And it's not so much focused on stacks. Okay. And did everybody hear that comment? Okay. I just wanted to make sure. So I've designed a lot of libraries and 10 years ago and maybe even five years ago we took surveys of people and said how many libraries are going to have only 50% of the collection that they have today and half the room raised their hand and said absolutely. Well, what we're finding is that it's not going that direction. That the younger generation, the Z generation or I call it the Facebook generation, those that were born and the moment they were born they were on Facebook have a higher affinity to books than my generation. And so what we're doing is we're accommodating the collection. We're also not having shelving that is up to here. We're having shelving that's more at this height so that it can be better displayed and more browsable. That takes more space. So we're trying to take into combination all of those elements that you're talking about by creating a more flexible library. We're also looking when we start talking about digital labs of using more laptops and tablets within the library because they're portable and they don't have to be tied down to that digital lab. So it's quite possible that we could have areas that may not necessarily be the digital lab back here but we could do these digital labs perhaps over here just by bringing the laptops over there and having an instructor over there. So we're trying to create more flexible space and through technology it allows us to do that and through the software. So does that answer your question? There's a lot of staffing requirements that we currently don't have staffing or even that many people using the library to be accommodated in... I'm not sure what population... I've been in fairly good sized towns that might have a library like this but it's not fair to know in 18,000 people. Do we need this big of a space or are we building this for 50, 100 years from now? Well, we're building it for 50 years, that's for sure. But we are finding that libraries are being used more today than ever before because there's so many more things you can do in the library and librarians are being trained to do so many more things than they were 25 years ago and a lot of that has to do with technology a lot of it has to do with responding to programs that are needed in the community. So Jennifer came up with the collection size and we've been working with her very carefully on the programming in terms of how big these spaces are and so these are comments that we want to hear from you and if that's how you feel I'd appreciate if you'd write that down because my goal is not to debate you even though it sounds like that's what I'm doing but we are as a trend seeing that libraries are providing more services than ever therefore more people are coming to the library. Yeah, call it a resource center or something instead of a library because I think that's the general impression that people have of it what do we need a library for? Now you call it a resource center and people are like oh what kind of resources can we get there maybe it might be for people to go. Right, we work with libraries that rebranded themselves and call themselves something other than library. Jennifer? I have a number that is kind of interesting so whenever you move into a new space you expect to have new people visit and the circulation goes up so when we moved into the mall within the first six weeks we gave out 150 new cards so a library did mean something to those people they were people that maybe hadn't seen us before because they used the mall and we don't but it does mean something to them and another example is not too long ago I did a focus group with some high school students as part of the design process two iterations ago or something and I asked them a bunch of questions and we had a survey and I was fascinated to find out that of the people who answered they want to read books for fiction they want to do their assignments online but they want to read books as well so it's not just us it's not people my age who are reading but those are the adults of the future who are teens now who also said that they like to read books so that's just a couple of examples Okay, so we'll move on to some other questions and we can talk in more detail if you'd like Yes ma'am Did I miss hearing about parking and for bicyclists? Parking and bicyclists so we are going to have bicycle parking and it'll be located in the ground floor probably in areas like this we'll accommodate that in terms of auto parking we're working with the city and looking at a more comprehensive parking plan for the city center and in all likelihood it may be an adjacent parcel over here to the east so that's where the program is and that's a separate project not part of this project Just so we're going to... Okay, so you sir If everything is cranking you've got your 100 person auditorium full the library is full what is in rough sense the total capacity of people in the library What are we talking about accommodating? Yeah, that's a good question I can't give you an answer that would be... Yeah, I can't That's a great question write it down and we'll make sure we get back It ties to the parking I understand and the biking question Yes, I understand The way it is difficult to get people to become part of a bike you know, park anywhere percent it will come to Right, and again, we're looking at this being a walkable center so that we're discovering some of the other retail and commercial areas down the street So again, this is something that the city is doing as a study and they will make a recommendation to console on this but it's not really part of this particular project and I know you say how can you overlook it while it is being looked simultaneously Okay, yes Two quick questions What's the size of the plaza? You talk about an area for bringing the community together it seems awfully small Well, it's actually not as small as it looks but we're thinking and Steve and Tim this is about 60 feet something like that I think closer to 50 50 feet? Yeah So this room is what 40 something by 40 I'm guessing I didn't hear you mention anything about the area for and maybe they're doing away with them books on CD and DVDs We have those books on CDs and books on tape they would be on the second floor in the adult collection and they probably will be going away but the library still has them and will have them for as long as that technology is supported Yes Two questions Is there research on the pros and cons of having the auditorium on the first floor and the second floor and the second question is how do the three options compare in terms of area of window space Okay, the last question we have not done that calculation I would say that the option C which is more square plan has fewer windows per square foot than the other ones because they're more winged like if you will but we haven't done that exact calculation because we're not at that level of design if you will the auditorium I don't think that we've really done the research in terms of with the pros and cons that's why we're here we're offering as an opportunity and I think some of the the pros are that on the second floor it could be used by the library pretty easily not that it couldn't on the first floor maybe a con is that for people bringing in musical equipment or performance equipment would have to take the elevator to get there so, okay How do you factor in views out the windows that you're planning for this for example if the driveway goes back to the school and then you have a parking lot what's the point of having a glass or view at the parking lot okay, so that's a great question and we haven't fully vetted that through I would say on the second floor the views are above the parking lot and beyond and to the horizon and the third floor the same but on the first floor you're right you're probably the views more about bringing in daylight so it may be a chance where we use translucent glass or a glass is specifically about bringing daylight into the space as opposed to the views out yes back to the idea of loading in stuff to the auditorium is there a easy way to load in an access point yeah, so in this when the auditorium is on the first floor we have this point right here yes sir I just wondered what the thought process was in terms of seniors and reduced mobility in terms of the different plan options and how much more difficult it would be for them to use third floor facilities say that it would be first floor facilities are you talking about the entire building in terms of just the library well, I'm primarily thinking about the library but obviously the whole building is obviously you can't put everything on one floor I understand that but in terms of using the library for people that are mobility impaired it does seem to say you're up two floors and back at the back is a different kind of thing then it's right over there well, why don't you write that comment down because we are providing accessibility to all levels and I understand what you're saying only in that one option do we have the reading room on the third floor so we all options are more or less the main collection all the main resources are on the first two floors which are accessible by an elevator large print is in the the living room right here yes you mentioned the Friends of the Library store in the option A where did you go and be in C? they're in here as well and I'm sorry I didn't mention that I was trying to get through the three options and only point out the differences yes sir which scheme would have the most outdoor plaza space and how does that relate to the cafe and the trend towards eating and sitting and reading and kind of making it a useful space so the largest plaza is in option B can you show it? yes thanks Rick you broke it so I'm sorry user error so it's an option A and then the others have the outdoor reading and on those excuse me B thank you it's right there adjacent to the cafe the cafe gets a little bit smaller in B so the cafe is right here and we have doors that open out to this area right here does that answer your question? and I haven't done a comparative analysis of the three options beyond that yes sir well you say elevators how big an elevator are you talking about these are stand-up elevators no we have to comply with certain codes for accessibility and so they're not hospital size but they are they're larger than what you have here I'm thinking about the idea of big pieces of equipment every once in a while and if we do that then we'll size the elevators accordingly we haven't gotten to that level of design we just know we need elevators any other questions before we go into the smaller groups I'm sorry yes sir how would you rank the options with regard to initial cost and how would you rank them with regard to yearly maintenance operating costs so I don't think we've gone to that level of detail we have found that the three options from a construction cost are relatively the same there obviously one may have more glass as we're showing it today but our ultimate goal would be that it would be consistent so that we're not spending a lot more money on one option because it's glass so every one of these has some unique features to it and we basically are applying a square foot cost and the square foot is 50,000 square feet and so we really haven't gotten to that in terms of operating costs and efficiency I will say that option C probably offers a little more efficiency because it's more square but it doesn't have the amount of daylight in quite the same amount of windows because it's a larger plate that's the one that has the adult fiction more and it may be easier to staff because of that as well but that's our next level of decision is to go through that analysis and really look at it so we're again very early in the design stage right now yes what did it start with green type decisions or had things already been discussed the sustainable do you want to address that Steve so each of these three options we have done preliminary energy modeling and they do all have very similar profiles so in terms of comparisons of energy usage they're all very similar some of the things specifically will be and there's a board back there that addresses this as well so I'll point you to that beyond energy modeling we are looking at a geothermal system we have some data that suggests that may be a very cost effective option here we are looking at solar panels on top of the third roof in all situations local materials regional materials Steve do you want to talk about where we think we might be shooting we do have a path that we've determined that lead gold is very reasonable without limiting ourselves and depending on cost and cost benefit so it's an important initiative that we want to pursue other questions alright well again thank you for coming but the most important part is hearing your comments having them posted back there and so Tim and Michael and Steve and I will be back there Kelly's here as well back there and helping answer questions and again thank you for coming on and come back on Tuesday to see how it all shakes out alright thank you