 Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique house. It's your boy, E-CEO, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing Mr. Mako, what's going on? Nothing, you know my dad? Hey, man, she eels Jamaican, so, yeah. Check it, man. We got a very special guest in the house today, man. This guy right here, really, if you, if you like me, a PemC fan, you've been hearing his name ever since the 90s, man. You know what I'm saying? And it's real good to have my boy Bobo Luciani in the building. What's going on? Yeah, man, thanks for having me, man. Appreciate y'all. Man, just appreciate you. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate the legacy, man, and everything that you are ushered in, you know, as far as the way that you, you know, put it down back in the days, man. Oh, try it. And the Dallas thing, man. I've always frequented Dallas and Houston because that's the big city for me, where I'm from. So when I look at what you bring to the table, you got some things, some gyms hidden that nobody probably even know that you never spoke on. Some stuff you probably never will speak on. But at the end of the day, there are some things that we have to enjoy. The legacy of my boy PemC, man. You know what I'm talking about, man? Gotta keep it alive. I see that shirt, man. I like that. Who got that? My buddy Red Rum, the Swisher Boys, he sent me this link one time on Facebook. I said, man, I got to get it. Man. I know the people. It was real professional, all of it. And it came through. And it arrived. On time. On time. Like that. I remember the back when Pem was living that my Algiers t-shirts was coming. Yes. That's what I was wearing back then and selling. I actually sold them because we had this store since 007, 006. So I was selling Algiers. I know Dan, the guy who they was really dealing with back then. You remember that Algiers ad that had Pimp with the black? Yeah. I got that shirt. Do you? Yeah, he gave me that shirt. Like I said, I sold all of them. I got the shirt he wore in the ad. Oh, you do? Yes. Wow, that's cool. He gave me a lot of stuff right before he passed. Really? You know. Yeah. And you know, I'm gonna hold on to it. Yeah, you hold on to it. Yeah, that's my stuff. Yeah, I don't blame you. I would definitely be holding on to it because that's something, you know, really, you know, you'll never be able to replace those type of things, man. Sentimental value or something on the utmost high. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So just going back a little bit about you coming up and Mr. Maker usually do this part, but she's some kind of busy right now. I see her. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, two person team. Oh, yeah. I like this. But the thing I can say is like what we ask is like kind of you from Dallas originally. Oakleaf. Oakleaf. Yes, sir. That's your hood. That's my hood. Wow. Singing heels. Singing heels. Singing, swinging heels. Oh man. So coming up, how was it over there? Like as a young boy, you know what I'm saying? I'm talking about, well, how early baby do you want to take him? That's far back as you can remember. Your family oriented over there, you know, just hood, you know, hood store. Go to the hood store, play video games. Everybody walking around, you know, doing anything. It wasn't, you know. It was in violence and stuff. Not really. Everybody was getting along. Did you come up single parent home or were you mom and dad together? That's odd that you say that because everybody, pretty much everybody I know. Was single parent. Yeah. I always came up, you know, grandparent things like that. My mom and dad were together until my mom passed. How old were you when she passed? I was an adult. My mom just passed 2016. Wow. So you were the anomaly in the hood? One of them. There was a few of us, you know. On our street, you know, it was kind of a family oriented street. But, you know, we, yes, there's a lot of people in that neighborhood that single parents and all my buddies, same thing. As a child, did you look at that as a blessing or you just didn't even? No, you don't think about that. Don't think about it. You don't think about it until you get to be an adult and you realize that it's systemic, you know, the black man not being in a household and that type of thing and you, damn, what's going on? It's like this in pleasant groves. It's like that in North Dallas, like that in West Dallas. I didn't know it was. But I bet you the friends who didn't have both parents in the household when they did come over to your house, they look at it like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My mom used to cook, make candy and all this type of stuff. So she was a cook. Everybody knew my mom for cooking. All the friends came to your house. Yeah. I was the Kool-Aid house. The house everybody, little, little, little, they ain't got that. So that was that. Did you have siblings? Yeah. I got, you know, I'm the baby of two older sisters. So you mama's boy? Three older sisters, huh? You mama's boy and all the boys, they make it even worse. Yeah. And I got four daughters. Wow. Four daughters. No boys. No boy. I had a little boy, you know. I was going to ask you about that, but not so early on. But I guess I can now because you brought it up. Yeah. I wanted to know, because I wanted to know was that real when I heard that in the song? Yeah. Because you don't ever know if something's real or if somebody's rapping to make something sound good. How much of it is real? Yeah. Because Biggie would say when he rapped, he would say that wasn't real. His mom, his mom later on would say that part he was just rapping, but this part, but this was actually a real event that happened to you. Exactly. Let me tell you something. Since we're on two subjects, you know, you talking about me and UGK. You know, I was a rock with rap way before UGK. Yeah. You know, I came up with the boom bap, the hip hop, you know, in the early stages. Yeah. And, you know, it was real about just showing skills, rapping, you know, storytelling and things like that. DJ Uche, Dr. Rock. Well, Uche was my clip. Okay. You know, Uche, Snake, snakes like my older brother. I just know during that time, these radio stations and stuff. They were battling. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It was a DJ competition back then. Really wasn't too many rappers and Dallas that was doing their thing. And then once I started hanging on a chat and bun, I realized these dudes was talking about real life situations. How did you meet them though? You can't just ride off into that like that? No, bro. It's a story. Yeah. Go ahead and tell it. Okay. Well, like I said, we were doing our own thing. You know, I don't know if you heard of the group Nemesis. Yeah. Come on, man. The one with the 808s to hit hard. Come on, man. That's my plan. I told you I love music, bro. You're not going to miss me. Yeah. I'll hold it there. Party. Okay. Get down. We'll talk about that later on. Yes, sir. But, um, yeah, I was living with snake and we, you know, we were doing our thing. We had two major labels. I mean, two major acts sound to profile records in New York. And, um, which was Nemesis and Ron C. Uh, trendsetter. Yeah. Come on. You know, I know Ron C. Yeah. Everything you're going to say. I'm cause I'm listening to the music beat back then. It was the beat. It was all about bass. Yeah. Magic Mike. The bass king of the South, really. And then Magic Mike. Yeah. He was in Miami. Miami. Yeah. Yeah. So they, if you had any kind of rock, fuck, fives, gays. Oh yeah. I did. I did. Anything like that. Yeah. You tested your speakers out with that. Yeah. 2.45. Oh, yeah. On 2.18. Yeah, that's me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know what you're talking about? I cut the whole bag seat out the car. You know what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. I got that metal. I got to get rid of all that. Oh yeah. Just for the second. Just for the two speakers that set you up. I didn't even need a box. People don't realize. I called that money car. Oh, boy. Charming. Charming. It's over. Charming. Yeah. Yeah. I told her, she said, well, how long do you think you are? I said, maybe a while, man. Man in their toys. We know. We come up during the same era. Let me tell you something. I'm thinking about doing it again. Hey, why not? I love old music. Man, me too. You know what I mean? And I'm not too old. No. To enjoy that. Yeah. I got 72 Chevelle SS with the, I got the speakers in there. Oh yeah. I got to have it. I got to have a little sit in my driveway same time. So I'm going here. Yeah, but I want something else. You want something to go even harder. Yeah. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. I thought about getting like one of them money color SS that one that came out with. I think it was the 80s with the chrome with the gray color one. Yes. But that thing was bad. Oh yeah. With the SS at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah. My brother got one too. That's a sweet car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the white one. Yeah. And I even seen a hatchback one with the, with the, yeah with the window like a service. I've seen it. I ain't seen that one. I've seen it. It's in the country too. You sure they ain't made it like that? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Oh boy. You actually got drunk here. So it was a nice car. It looks good. But I still want that original one because I want, to me I want that gray, gray with the length and everything, you know. But no, man, you took me back. Yeah, so yeah we were, we were doing our thing and, you know, we were traveling all over the south and we were kind of parting it up with Rapalot. Yeah. So every time we had a show we included them. Okay. And every time they had a show peace out, you know I'm going to say shout out to Big Chief with Rapalot. Yeah, yeah, Big Chief. Mr. Lee, we're here with that nightful. Yeah, yesterday. Yeah, you know what? That's how I never met him. You know, he was here the nightful I was I was in his presence one with a yesterday Tuesday. We do so much. We'd be working man. You're serious when you run a night that today. She know I go with me. Let me check the calendar to make sure yesterday. No, yeah, yeah, we just be rocking out, man. Yeah, yeah, but definitely man. So go here with it. And, um, yeah, so we had befriended. I don't know if excuse me. I'm gonna stop saying that. I'm gonna stop saying it. So you remember the convicts? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we had befriended three, two. Yeah. Yeah. That's my boy. Them boys went on and, uh, big Mike. Okay. So that's, that boy had a good spot right there. But he went home. I mean, that early rap a lot. It was so raw. Yeah. I mean, uh, mellow. Yeah. That was my boy. That was your boy. Curtis. Oh, man. Oh, my God. Man. That was us. Mellow used to hang so much when we was on the road. That was my guy. Wow. That was my guy, man. And then Bushwick, Bushwick taught me how to roll blunts in Kentucky. All right. The first person showed me how to roll blunts in Kentucky. And, um, yeah. So we were on the road. And so I don't know if you remember when, I know you heard about this, but death row wanted to sign the convicts. Yes. And they were in Los Angeles. Okay. And right around that time, they had gotten the words that Willie D had dropped out of the ghetto boys and they needed big Mike to feel those shoes. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think there was, I don't know if it was in the friction or whatnot. What's up, big Mike? That's my doubt. In a way, I need to get him on the show. Big Mike, uh, Big Mike flew on back to Houston where, uh, three, two flew to Dallas because he was going to write some things for big Al on the Knicks up and coming in. Okay. So they said, oh, Bobo, go get three, two from the airport. So I go, I had a little hundred, 1992 hundred. Go pick him up, man. Go pick him up. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the burn minimums back there. We broke, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, man. With the stash in it. Yeah. I go pick three, two up from the airport and he, um, Bobo check this out and he put this cassette in. He said, these little young boys like to be some stars. One with a trigger, two with a trigger. Who is that? That's me. I say that every week. That's the first one I heard. It was about three songs. That's the first one I heard. Yeah. I know where I heard it just like you and when I heard it. Yeah. Yeah. So, right. I would say about two, three months after that, we started hearing it feel trading up in Dallas. You know, it got on rotation on K one or four or not. And a guy grew up with from junior high school. I'll tell you about this guy too. This is like I so many. Yeah. I got you. Anyway, um, him, his name was Ron and this gentleman named K rude. Okay. I know you're speaking about K rude. They do one of the liveest concerts in Dallas history. It was a wedding while. Okay. In Arlington where right above the wave pool was the stage. Okay. And everybody was in the wave pool in the little inner tubes floating. That was the dance. That was the yeah. Yeah. That was the crowd. Yeah. And you had yo yo. You had, um, spice. Oh, that was a nice one. That was okay. And it was a couple other people and where it was, you know, they had a little hotel. I can't remember the name of that hotel, but it's still there. It's old now, but they had rented that hotel out for the audience. I'm talking about everywhere. So I have, I met them there. I was around them. Excuse me. That was around time they were shooting the video for uh, tell me something. Yeah. They shot that here in Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Them boys, I love that video too. Oh my god. Yeah. And so uh, what's up? We he's in he's one of the dudes that's in that you remember where they were chasing the dudes and dude was under this. Yeah. Yes. We both them dudes from singing hills. Oh yeah. Yeah. Both those dudes are from singing hills. Yeah. So, uh, I met them there. So fast forward maybe another month or two. We get called to uh, say I run seaside man. Okay. So I'm on the road run and we run and just got out of the pen from doing, you know, he had a 20 year bid and he did two on that 20 and we did um, the uh, back on the street album. Okay. So we're on tour with two shorts on two shorts. So we got about eight dates. I tell you about this tour. This tour is wild. Yeah. It's supposed to be two short, spice and run sea but it ended up every city we went to was more and more acts. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So about time we got to the first city we went to, we're thinking it's just gonna be us three and we get there bro. It's like in too deep, second to none. It's it's all these people on the show. It's like ten peak, ten acts, you know what I'm saying? So we go and they say, you know, we we rehearse for a 15 minute show. So we get there and say, oh, yeah, y'all got five minutes now. I said, oh, what are we gonna do? So run say, well, we're gonna go out there and kill it. I said, well, you know, we got this thing where you know, I'm coming out. You know, it was real productions back then. Yeah. You know, I had this this Afro wig. Yeah. A lot of people remember this this tour. I had this Afro wig and I had this real chainsaw and they just got me bubble the psycho back then, right? And it was all prison thing. Run came out with his thing on, you know, his little jumpsuit like he's in prison. I had he had the blue one and I had the actually he didn't have he had blue dick is in the blue just like on the album and then I had the jumpsuit on. I had you remember, I don't know if you know this but if you go to jail and loose there and they put you on orange or orange. Yeah, you kind of aggravated. Yeah. It was aggravated. But everybody was used to wear the white. Used to wear the white but the orange was crazy. Crazy. Yeah. So, I had orange. You know what I'm saying? With the prison number and so I said, bro, as soon as you come out, as soon as you come through with that first verse, I'm coming with the chainsaw and when I came with that chainsaw, crowd went berserk. Wow. And we killed that show. So, by the time we got to the next city, everybody was talking about ooh, the boys killed it. So, they moved us up in the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, not moved us up, moved us back toward the headline. Yeah. And gave us more time. So, we killed it for three, four more cities and then when we got to Lafayette, Louisiana, we were in the Cajun though and by that time, so I'm I'm kicking it with spice. What's up spice? What's up to my man, Gnut, rest in peace. Gnut and I had really bonded because Gnut had to drill in though from Oakland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, he and I really bonded. Yeah, I really, yeah, I really bonded. Yeah, we really bonded. Yes, sir. Oh, he was hustling on the road. The smartest thing I had ever seen. Yeah. Yeah, I said, this boy got it. What? He's selling it, state to state. I ain't trying to hear it. I ain't trying to hear it. Getting it, getting it. So, I mean, he's passed away now, so I can, I can You can say, yeah. Yeah, he can't go to jail for that. We're in a way, we go to, we're in the dressing room. For some reason, they gave us this great big dressing room and everybody in our dressing room, I'm telling you, shortest in our dressing room, spices in our dressing room and the promoter, of course, is being funny with the money. Of course, that's. And everybody's in there talking about why this dude ain't paying us enough. And we in the Cajun, I'm all know if you ever been there, it's packed. I mean, to the wall, it's like, whatever it hold. It was in there. Yeah. Capacity phone. Capacity. It's full to capacity. That's the inside joke. In a way, yeah, so it's filled to capacity and here comes Pimp and Bond. First, here come Bond. Bond is real, you know, jovial, you know, kicking with everybody. I got pictures from that night, I'll show you. Yeah. And next thing you know, here come Pimp. Cool. Really? Oh, yeah. Pimp it. What they had done, they had befriended two girls from Dallas that were strippers. Okay. You know, KT, what's up? That's been my homegirls now, but he walked in with them, looking like a Pimp, acting like a Pimp. And so I said, who was this guy? And he's pissed off by his rooms, pissed off by the money. And I said, damn, there's nothing in another level. I ain't liking it first. He came in showing his ass. Yeah. And so we, you know, he started talking about, oh, y'all from Dallas, we'll run and see y'all, and then after the show, we really kicked it. You know what I'm saying? They, you know, they had a little after party and whatnot. And he told us we just signed the jive. And we're going to record the album, finish the album in Dallas. Okay. I said, okay, when we come, we're going to holler at you. That's back when Beeple's was in. Yeah. Come on, man. So they beat me when they got here. Sure, no. And I went to the, I went to the studio. You went to payphone first or you had a phone at the house? Yeah. Well, I had a phone at the house. But I go to payphone. It was cool at the, it was cool at the payphone. Yeah. What you caught in there? Yeah. We were cool at the payphone. Yeah. It was nothing wrong with it. We had no problem with that. Everybody see us and they know that we got to be, but that's how you show up. Like doctors. My mama said, you think you're a doctor? They used to give us that rap. That's the way it would come out. What you think you a doctor or something? Oh, yeah. Drug dealer or doctor. Drug dealer or doctor. So. Pick one. Or a rapper. Or a rapper. Or in the music industry or something like that. So he called you and who called you? You tripped it. Who beat you and then you call him back? A boy. A boy. A boy called me and he said he'll come to the studio. So it's out there at a sound lab when sound lab was out in Los Calinos. I go out there. We kick it, you know, and I'm gonna tell you something. I was so used to the way Nemesis and Run C were doing their studio sessions. And it was, you know, Snake was, come on, let's go. We got time. The time is money. But they were just relaxed and coming, going, not worried about it. Oh, I don't feel it today. That's what Pimp came in and said one day. I don't feel it today. Counsel the session. I said, I just need a trip. So the first day Run didn't show. Well, I remember the first day I showed up asked for full blunts. So I wrote like by five fat, fat joints. Yeah. They loved me for it. Yeah. They said, I'm just gonna do it some way. Oh, yeah. Kicking in. Yeah. Yeah. We kicked it all day. Went back to the, that's when they were standing in the residence scene when the residence scene was kind of new. And everybody had their own rooms. And man, we just kicked it, kicked it. And then the next day I show up again. And by the end man, Chad just, you know, hey man, you cool. I'm cool. Hey man, when you come, when you come to Port Arthur, I want you to come to Port Arthur. I got my own house. I imagine an 18 year old kid telling you he got his own house. He got his own house. His own car. And I'm thinking to myself, Bush. And how old are you at that time? Maybe about 24. Yeah, maybe about 24. But the 18 year old saying, I got all this. I got my own house. You can come stay with me, blah, blah, blah. I'm gonna do your album for you, that I like your style. So me and him kind of really bonded. Yeah. You know, so we, I don't know what happened to me. But me and Buzz, still cool to this day. Of course. We're brothers. But nothing like. You and him. Because Chad moved to Dallas for a while and stayed with me. Yeah. He stayed with me for about three, three, four months. Yeah. And then when I moved to Port Arthur, when I was the hype man for UGK, you know, I stayed with him for five to six months. Wow. Until I got my own place out there in Port Arthur. Yeah. But that's how it came. That's how y'all met. That's how we came about, right? So, and I don't want to skip nothing, but I do want to ask you, because you brought up your son a while ago, when I heard that verse, I didn't know it was a real thing, or if it was or not. I just know he was jamming it. When he said it, it made so much sense. I'm not too sure about that. I want to hear about how it was and was, you know, how he, how. Yeah, what happened? Oh, you want to hear what happened? Kind of what? How did that happen? All I remember. And how old were you at this time? You was 20-time then? Yeah, I was still about, this was in 1995. Okay, yeah. So, yeah. And would your son be your first child? Yeah, she was five. Okay. It just, what it was, I was on the road with UGK, and we were in between super tight and riding dirty. Okay. And so my mistake was when I moved to Port Arthur, I left my car here. I had car problems. Okay. And so I'm thinking I don't need no car down there. You know, because you know, Port Arthur was kind of a small city. And, you know, with them, they say, oh man, this way across town, but it'd be 10 minutes. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I said, across town for us is 20, 30 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so, I said, I don't really need no ride, chat a chunk of the keys every time I want to go somewhere, blah, blah, blah, blah, but I shouldn't have never done that. Yeah. Because when the show slowed down, I mean, we were doing shows, we leave out on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, come back Monday or Tuesday, and now I don't Wednesday again. Wow. And that's, that was, that was. That's working. So I need no car. But when the show slowed down and they started doing the pre-production of Riding Dirty. Yes. I had already gotten me another spot and it was across town. And I was working. I said, I'm going to give me another gig. And I've always worked. I'm, you know, I grew up like that. So I said, you know, what I had, history working at Sears, started here at Redbird Mountain. Yeah. I go to Sears at the mall out there and see if they're hiring me. They hired me. And so I was walking back and forth from, you know, it was about a mile. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good guy. And so they got to traveling on me, you know, going to Chicago and stuff, leaving me in town, you know, because to recollect, wouldn't pay for everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or pre-production. I get it. So I was like, shit, man. That's how I moved back to Dallas for a little while. I called Chad. I said, bro, I'm going to move back to Dallas for a little while. When, closer to the town, when the album comes out, I'll come back. Come back, yeah. So I came back to Dallas. It was a little boy's birthday. And it was in October. Okay. So I celebrated that five years birthday with him. And, you know, two months later, December the fifth. That's when that happened. It was what he was with his mother. So, bro, he was at, he was at his, at his mom's house. Okay. And which was his grandparents. Yeah. You know, so it was, I don't know if a lot of people don't know this, but four children died. Okay. Four children died. Four, four babies, the oldest one being eight. They were his probably cousins. Those were his cousins. Yes. Those were his cousins. Did they ever find out what happened? Yeah, they, it was electrical. See, the father was a contractor. Okay. A damn good one. A good one. And he had added on to the house. To the house. Yeah. In the electrical room. Like we had in room. Yeah. And, you know, and they had been there for a long time. Yeah. You know, when it was all on the news and everything, they were trying to blame it on Christmas lights. No, I can't other stuff. Yeah, but it ended up being faulty wiring. Faulty wiring. So the adults weren't there, was there any adults now? Yeah. Yeah, but they had the other part of the house. And where this, how this house was, it was like, you know how it is when you add on to your houses, you come out the back door and boom, you're in another room. Down the room. And they had built an upstairs part. So they in that other part of the room upstairs. Wow. And then when the fire broke out in that section of the house, this probably this side of the house don't even know it's on fire. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to play. No, no, you trying to, yeah, yeah. I'm just trying to play to my mind. Yeah, yeah, mine. Yeah, so, you know, once I got the call, it was already over. Yeah, it was over. One night you feel. My tears sat down from work. And I got that phone call. Wow. And it was probably about a 10 minute drive. I drove there and it was it was. Was the mom there at a time when it happened? Yeah. But I'll remember them telling me was that the mom's dad was was trying to get him. He was trying to get to him. He got hurt. Trying to get trying to get to him. Yeah. The flames prevented him from reaching him. Yeah. He, you know, he had scaled the, you know, something outside. Yeah, trying to get to him. Which is, which is quite natural that that's what you would do. It's nothing, it's nothing like seeing four small castles. No, no. Ain't nobody trying to see it. Ooh, it changed you for life. It changed you. And I know that had to hit you on the, how did, how did you? How did you affect him? How did you affect him? The father, because if he was trying to get, it's different like you weren't there, but this person, him, was there trying to get to the kids. And let me, let me explain something to you about this guy. This guy, it's kind of like the same situation with my wife. There was an age difference between he and his wife. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So he was an older man, but he was still working. Yeah. When I say older, this was like a 70 year old man. Yeah, okay. Still working, you know, full gray beard and everything. Just cool, you know, just a cool man. And probably just couldn't get there. Couldn't get there. I'm pretty sure it affected him. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. I never talked to him. I never talked to him about that. That's a good question. Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, because when you're there and you're trying to help somebody, especially with kids. Yes. You know, that. They have to affect you. That's going to affect you. And you know, back then nobody was talking about mental health. No, they wouldn't. Nobody was talking about mental health. But they were going through it. Oh, yeah. Especially for a man, you know, man's supposed to be tough. Tough. Yeah, you know, we kids. Yeah, I mean my 20s. How did you, how did you move forward? Well, a lot of stuff. I mean family. You know, I can remember leaving that scene. Me and the mother, we went over to my parents' house. I called Chad. Told him, because he knew him. You know, he knew my whole family. Yeah. My home and everybody. And I can remember him crying like a baby. Wow. It was. And so fast forward, you know, Reynolds over, you know, we're trying to live our life. And I can remember being on Greenville Avenue at Good Eats. Okay. And then this is the story I tell you, my people go off. I'm eating and the people go off. And I see this Chad. I say, I'll call him later. And he beat me again. 9-1-1. Yeah, we used to do that. You know, 9-1-1. Say, call me right now. Right now. I get up. I get on the phone. I said, what's up? He said, hey nigga, listen to this. You know, he's trying to play some music that he's playing in this room. Yeah. And I can hear it. I hear him my name. But I couldn't really hear it and feel it. Yeah. Yeah. He said, don't worry about it nigga. I'm on the slab on my way to you. So he said, I just left the studio doing this song. Wow. We walked out. We're on my way to you. So he came here in Leroy. Yeah. They drove all the way down the Dallas just to let me hear the song. We went to my apartment. They met me at my apartment. We played that song probably 80 times. Wow. They slept on the floor and on the couch and got up the very next day and went back to Houston. All he came here for was to let me hear that song. Stuff like that got me through it. Come on, man. Did you cry when the first time you heard it? Oh, yeah. Come on, man. Oh, yeah. I can imagine. Yeah. It was a trip. What he said was so dope. The way he said it, it was so real. And let me tell you what kind of visionary he is. Leaving the studio on the phone, first thing out of his mind, this is the first song on the album. That's how it go. And the album was nowhere near to being completed. He said, this will be the first song on the album. Man, I had Ronnie Spencer here and he sung that first part. Oh, yeah. I read it. Yeah, man. I read it. And I went down there about a week ago and hung out with him for the new year. I never met him. You never met him? I never met him. I thought I knew that I had you here. I definitely would have introduced y'all. He was a good dude, man. Because after that, like you say, a lot of stuff as black men and just people period back then, you know, you deal with stuff and you don't know you're dealing with something. That's it. You know, I'm just, I'm feeling down. I don't feel like fucking with somebody. But you know, you don't know you're going through a depression. Yeah, that's it. Like I was talking to my morbillo about around the time Chad died. Yeah. And the feelings we, he and I were having. Yeah. A lot of people didn't realize that what we were going through was a depression. Man. Because when that happened, I had to, I mean, I'm jumping the gun. No, but just the fact, but I'm just saying like, like you brought up B-Lo when B-Lo was on here, he gave us some dope stories too. And he also lived with Pimpsie in Atlanta. And just the stories he told, man, was just enlightening for us, man. I don't know if they ever were told. I don't know how many, I've never seen him in an interview, but he came here and blessed our platform. Oh yeah, I watched it. And that was a dope interview, man. You know I watched it. But you, man, like I said, when you, when you have to go through something like you went through and then you're still able to overcome and you guys, that would have been, what, at 97, 96 when he, when he dropped that. Yes. Yes. Because Rod and Dirty. Yeah, Rod and Dirty, yeah. I listened to that, that song over and over again, actually, that song right there, it hit home early on. Yeah. And even, I mean, Bun cried when after Pimp died to that song, you could see it was hurting him. That one day you're here and then you go on, resonate so much with life. And it just continues to keep going through. Just sharing. It's pretty much not something that, it's timeless. Yeah, yeah. It's timeless. It'll be here forever. There's a video on YouTube of the funeral. Yeah. And that song come on. Wow. It give it a different, different feeling. Yeah. And it's got us carrying the casket. Yeah. Man, I, hey man, that, that was my boy, man. Like I said, I used to love listening to him. I was hurt when he was locked up. Yeah. You know, let's talk about that a little bit, because that had to take you by storm. When he got locked up. You want that story? Yeah, I got to have that. Like that's a core thing, a core moment for me. Yeah. Because I was with him. You know what I'm saying? Kind of close me off to the music, because I cut for him so much just to, I listened to, to UGK. That was my, that was my thing. I met Vaughn a couple of times, like I always say, but I never had to get to meet him. You know, we went, I don't know if he was with me at the car show. I, I seen him perform at the car show, but I never got to talk with him. Right here in Dallas? Yeah. Oh, I was there. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. We had the dickie suit on and coming through, walking, just walking in stage. You mean right after he got out? Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I was happy about that. Yeah, I remember that day. Yeah, yeah. So how did, how did that end up happening? What was going on? You can talk about it now. I'm no longer with us, for how you end up getting jammed up and all that good stuff. How did he end up getting jammed up? Oh, when he went to jail? Yeah. What happened that made him? Yeah. I'm going to tell you what he told me. Of course. That's where I want him from, from your standpoint. Okay. This is what he told me. Initially, you mean the, what, what put him on probation? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This is what he told me. He said, I'm in the mall. I'm in a certain store. Okay. He said, I'm talking to the store associate. Okay. And the store shows, you know, he's, you know, he's being friendly. He knows who I am. Yeah. You know, everything's cool. So he finishes helping me, and he goes and starts helping two girls. And in his excitement, he says, hey, y'all know who that is over there? That's PMC. And the girls. Of course. I'll fuck that motherfucker. Wow. I'm fucked by no PMC. And the Chad, I know. Let me tell you something. That high-pitched voice, you ain't going to talk to him. And with it being high-pitched, he cutting you with every word. Yeah. Yeah. And so he rip him up with his words. He leave out the store. And so he said, I go into a different store. And as I'm in this different store, it's like 15, 20 minutes later, he said, those same young ladies walk in with three or four guys. So in his mind, they go get some guys to come after him. Mm-hmm. So he's like, I'm strapped in the mall, Bobo, you know me, you know. So he pull up, show that he's strapped. And as he does it, he says, oh, shit. I shouldn't have done it. Put it down. He says, I saw a head toward the door. They go to a mall security. He says, by the time, as soon as I hit the door, Bobo, damn, they grab him, hit his head all on the door. You know, he grabs two, like two of them grab him. Hit his head all on the door. They say, hit his head on the cop car, everything. Yeah, because you don't have any. Yeah. So he go to jail. And this is what I learned. A lot of things I learned from that situation. Fat forward. Christmas. Christmas time. So this has to be Christmas 2000, 2000, 2001. I'm at my mom's house. I get a phone call. Well, excuse me. Nah, yeah, I get a phone call because I got a cell phone there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It is pimp. And he's like, bro, you know, my album is already out, right, with the bitch get up off me. He's like, say, man. I won't talk about that, too, but. We got a show tonight, Chocolate City. First show UGK has done in four years. First show in Houston. And since I was there, you know, he said, we need you to open. Wow. I said, when? Right now. So I got to go tell my family that I got to go. So I call up all my people. We hit the road. We go down to Houston. It's a beautiful situation. Come back. OK, let me tell you, this show is Bobo Luciano opening in the middle fingers and then it's UGK. So then we come back. You know, the next week, mama called me. Yeah, she said, baby. Talk to Chad. We just got this 30 city tour booked. OK, I said, OK, wow, you know, we're going to pay. We're going to pay you. I ain't going to tell you how much she said. I'm going to pay you. But it's it's one thing about one thing. Oh, my God. One thing about Chad and that whole family, UGK family, they were not stingy with the money. Yeah. You know, when I was the hype man, they paid me like I was out there. Yeah, like an artist. You know, I had my own room. You know, I didn't have to sleep with the DJ, sleep with the dancers, none of that. Bobo, you got your own room and this is your money. Oh, shit. After the show, go in mama room, get the money. So yeah, so so we do this show. She tell us, you know, we're going to do this fit. So we're going to do 15 shows. Get the bread, come back to Houston, and we're going to shoot. Look at me video. I said, oh, wow, that's going to be dope. Mama, I said, who's going to shoot it? Boontown. Yeah. Oh, so Boontown living up here. I said, that's going to be wild. I said, well, mama, since the camera's going to be there and everybody going to be in present, this is going to shoot Biscuit of Papi video at the same time. She said, let me call Chad and ask him. She called Chad, she called me right back. He said, that's a genius. So next week he went to for his court apartment and never came out. Wow. And never came back out. Well, never's a long word. Four years. Yeah, four years later. Yeah. Yeah. So and I know it did hurt you. Did you, you did take trips down there? Where? To. He told me, he told me don't come. Okay. He told me, I wrote him almost. I wrote him once a month at least. And he wrote back. Oh, every year. Yeah, I got, come on now. Yeah. So, and every time I said, boy, let me put some money on your books. He wouldn't take it. He wouldn't take it from me at all. Well, I got people putting money on my books. But I know you're trying to make it. I said, okay, you need it. Let me know. I got it. And that's how it was. Wow. That's, that's dope, man, that, that he understood because I can relate. Chad, you know, I hear a lot of people on, you know, because I watch you. I follow you and people say this and you've heard this from everybody. And it's true. There was a difference between Chad and there was a difference between B.M.C. Yeah. Yeah. I'm one of the only people that I know. That's what runs, runs. Runs. It was different. I'm one of the only people that I don't think Chad ever went out for. Really? Yeah. Everybody go. You and probably running because running is the same thing because of you all. Yeah. Yeah. And I was older. I was what it is. I was like that. No, don't do that. Don't do that, bro. Bro, you tripping. Yeah. I was that on his shoulder. You know, and that's why he always liked me around. Because when he got to tripping, I, you tripping, Pio. Chad, you tripping. And he'll listen to you. Oh, what? What? That's dope. It was, it was different. So when you, when you, when he was down there and he gets ready to come home, you know, I know now this is where the celebration begins, but I know it's hard as y'all go through it. Oh, yeah. Bumpy did an splendid job doing the Free to Pimp C campaign, man. You didn't know it was that big until after it was over. I knew what he was doing. I liked it. I seen it. I loved it. I loved it. I seen it and I respected it. It was going hard, too. He was going hard. He was ripping everybody. Everybody was trying to get him on verses and everything. Everybody was getting it. But, but every time he ripped them up. Yeah. And free pimps. Yeah. Yeah. That free Pimp C were killing them, man. The t-shirts and everything. It was just on point the way he done that. And I always, I always think about that time because that was a time in itself where, and then I felt so bad when Pimp passed because I knew it was like a double M in a burn because he already had went through so much. I thought about that as well. You did. Oh my God. Yeah. And you can kind of hear it in that next, what is not the trilogy, but that two-tril album. Yeah. He wasn't passionate on that. No, no. He even alluded to it on that show. Like it was tough on everybody, man. Oh my God. But like I said, for him, the way he was campaigning for and then to not see it come to fruition, because he had already, I know in his mind he could see this big picture happening. You don't know. I had just come back. I was going through a divorce at that time, right? And I called him and I said, I'm going through divorce, blah, blah, blah. He's like, oh man, why the fuck that bitch? You know, I knew. Come on down here with us, blah, blah, blah. I said, well, man, you know, I got a, I always used to take my vacations from the car dealership. First week of October because of the fair. I always did. Yeah. And he said, come on down. And so he said, you can stay at the, my high rise on West Timer. I'll leave the keys for you at the front desk. So I went down there and when I got there, he was still there. Come on upstairs. He was still there. So we went to Port Arthur. I stayed in Port Arthur like two, three days, you know, that was an adventure. Wow. You know, yeah, that was an adventure. I got to live, stay, sleep on his couch for two, three days and Queenie. Not Queenie. I'm true. No. Hey, Queenie. Yeah, man, that's fun. Yeah. Chenara. Yeah. Chenara drove me back to Houston. And so that's when I stayed at the high rise. Then I hung out with Bunny, Queenie after that. But it was, that's when he gave me the shirt. Yeah. A couple of other treatments and things like that. And then fast forward to Thanksgiving. So that was October. And I can, bro, the stuff that he was telling me and playing for me and the phone calls he was taking in front of me. This is what he was planning before Drake. He was planning a double CD. Okay. Half rap, half singing. So Chad stayed away from that singing. Yeah. Early, 92, 93, 94, 94. He didn't like that. I heard him say something about his high pitched voice. He didn't really like that. For some reason he just didn't like singing. And I remember when he sung, a lot of people didn't know that that was him singing on having things. Yeah, I did. And then when I, before the video came out and I said, bro, that's. That thing was hard too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he, I don't know why he shied away from that so much. But by that time he had embraced it. He had started embracing. So he was going to do a song that was going to be produced by Timberland. This is what he's telling me. Okay. Produced by Timberland. Him and Justin Timberlake. Hey. Was that going to go to him? Man, come on, man. That thing will still be rolling red now. And he told me, he said, bro, bro, I want you to quit your job. He said, come on back down here with me. We about to hit this road. I got a radio show. Because I, you know, I had that dirty South Block Party. I don't know. We was doing that for eight and a half years. And I had already, because of the divorce and everything that I was going through, I was planning on retiring because I, you know, I had two daughters at that time. So I got to play that. Yeah, yeah. And it was on Saturday night from 10 to midnight. I'm like, who going to watch my kid? That's it. You know, so I'm a single father at that time. I'm planning. Planning this all out. So he said, I got a radio show. And I never met this gentleman. But he says, it's going to be you. You're going to control the boys and P.M.C. and Lil DeVal. And it's going to be on XM. Hey. I said, okay. So he comes down for Thanksgiving. We do the show at, um, Blue. Okay. You know, we chop it up. We stay together. You know, he was supposed to come, you know, stay with me at my house that night. And then he said, no, some, some, some soft. So it showed up for him. You want to stay at the hotel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so he stayed at the hotel and, um, eight days later. You know, I mean, come on. Yeah, yeah. Just, yeah, that was, that was crazy. And he and I were, see Chad was, I did the first interview with him out of jail on the radio. I think I heard that. I listened to it. I listened to it. And we got some classic interviews. The most classic one. Was the one where he's standing outside by the fence. I'll show you some pictures from that night. Yeah. But we did some interviews, man. They on YouTube. YouTube, yeah. You're on YouTube or some people recorded and they uploaded it on YouTube. Oh yeah. Yeah. And he would just call me anytime he wanted to vent. And he'd be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he'd get on, I let him get on the earth and just do his thing. He, he did that twice before he did the Atlanta interview. Yeah. I heard that one too. That is a classic. He did one where he really went off on skip cheat. I mean, so no, I think I heard the one tonight. I listened to that one before or earlier today. But let me ask you about that, bitch, get up off of me, man. How did you guys, because I want to just hear the story on, on, on how he ended up making that song with you or for you or how did you guys end up doing that? Okay. The gentleman, the name's Ron. Okay. I'm there, here we go. Yeah. The same Ron that through the concert, went and while he was a big, he was a big boy. Yeah. Big, big boy. And, but he was quiet. A lot of people didn't know it. And I grew up with him from junior high school on. So he, he wanted to get into the music industry. And so he said, okay, you know, I told, he knew I was my affiliation. And so, you know, we, this is it. You know, we, we worked out all the details. We worked out all the paperwork. Come on down, Chad. So Chad gets to my house, Ron shows up to give him money for his room. Yeah. Right. So we get the money for the room. He don't even come upstairs to meet him. I go downstairs and just get the bread. And we come back up. So we got studio that night. I can remember we were scanning, Curtis Mayfield's, a discography, trying to file a sample. Okay. And so he said, Oh, I got one. He's gonna ask me where it was. But it goes too many blunts away. Too many, too many blunts since then. Went away. He just found like a little baseline. You know what I'm saying? He said, this is the one. He was funny like that. And so I can remember he made that beat at a dub one studio standing up in about 15 minutes. Wow. And the guy never showed up to come pay him. Ron never paid for the studio session. Never paid for nothing. And so he looked at me and said, Well, fuck him, bubba. You can just have a beat. I looked at him and said, I can just have it. He said, yeah. And I said, I sat on that beat for about two years before we recorded it. Yeah. And the night from all the stuff happening from, I know you strapped. That's all. Yeah. We were in the presidential suite at the Anatole when we came up with the hook. What's up, Black? You know, out of Memphis. Okay. You know, female rapper. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's my home girl. She was, she was there. Pimp, me and DJ Bird. We in the presidential suite and we come up with the bitch, get up off me hook. And then we go to the studio the next day and that's when I'll let budget happen. Wait.