 And for our final question, you cited empathy as an important leadership characteristic. What about expertise? Why has there been such a devaluation of expertise, and how can we change this? Well, I'm really happy you asked that. Yeah, empathy is a human value. Expertise goes to whether we make decisions based on facts and evidence. And I don't wanna live in an evidence-free zone. I don't wanna live in an evidence-free country. I want people to put forth facts based on their expertise and then to have a good, healthy argument about it. I don't understand why expertise has been so devalued, but in this book, my daughter who is passionate about this, she has a PhD in public health from Oxford and is just so upset about what's happening with the lower vaccination rates. And we write a chapter dedicated to vaccinators who are predominantly women. Dozens and dozens get murdered every year, trying to vaccinate against polio in Pakistan or Afghanistan or Northern Nigeria, trying to vaccinate against Ebola in the Democratic Republic of Congo. These women are intrepid. They go out and they try to convince people who have no access to modern information or science in lots of different settings, but they listen to rumors. If you vaccinate for polio, your children will be sterile. If you vaccinate for Ebola, you will be turned into a ghost and all the things that people believe that are not based on facts. That, as tragic as it is, is somewhat understandable. Having Americans and Europeans now say, I know better than decades of information about vaccines and about all the science behind them is just, to me, incomprehensible. I don't know exactly how we got there, but everybody now is their own expert. What they read on Facebook or Twitter, they feel like their opinion is equivalent to Jonas Salk. And therefore, they're gonna do what they think is right to do, regardless of expertise. It's a really dangerous trend. I mean, I'm not saying that every scientist and every expert is right about everything. I wouldn't say that by any means. We know that. But the scientific method, the debate around scientific findings has a way of revealing the facts and the truth. And we are in a dangerous position. I mean, it's one thing for the fossil fuel companies to convince, unfortunately, a number of elected leaders in our own country that climate change is not real. It's another thing to watch diseases moving north because the climate is changing and these bugs that we never had are all of a sudden upon us. I mean, we need to be more scientifically literate so that we're able to appreciate expertise again. And I guess that goes to education. It goes to a great public university like the University of Michigan. It really does require a concerted effort to educate. It also requires the press to quit being both sides now, false equivalency. I mean, if you take vaccination or you take climate change, you have like 99% of the scientific opinion in favor of climate change and favor of vaccination, they feel like it's their duty to find some guy, somewhere who's gonna say neither is true. That is a terrible disservice to people trying to figure out what to believe. So they also need to be more scientifically literate and more willing. And you know what, I've had this argument and their answer is, yeah, but these guys are so boring, we put them on. I mean, you know, they're not funny, they're not entertaining. Oh my gosh. I don't even know what to say. I mean, do a talent show for the most entertaining scientists. I don't know what to say. Just get them out before the American people so that they can get the facts and the evidence and the truth and then we can get back to having some level of expertise to be relied upon.