 I'll make it quick, and then we'll go to the exercise. So in the interest of time, so there's four stages in the Taiwan process. And the parts that at least for me have been sort of like said, that I've been saying, like in learning about this, have been the Polish school that is able to specifically, like this aggregate opinion, show where the points of consensus are, and just generally, like, generate that collaboration in a way that humans actually can't do, even if, like, what makes it work is ultimately in a human-centered facilitation. So, like, our role is going to be awesome, and basically give us a bit of an overview on that opinion stage, especially as well as the succeeding stages of reflection where the integration happens. I think the part we came out in the presentation, but something also that I think she'll be expanding on, like a little bit, is while the in-person consultation is happening, there is a lot of facilitation going on between the digital environment where people are participating, and, like, this lotteriness that are converting that right onto, like, so their life facilitating, like, all the questions that come in, their shepherding goes into the room, making sure that that online interaction is being brought into the physical space, and obviously, like, there's, like, that interchange of, like, what's happening here is also the life stream done. So, that online-offline interaction with the reflection stage is also really interesting. So, we skipped the puzzle stage just for now, just because I think so much of this is a fairly context-specific, like, the way that trauma issues get picked up, and probably very different from the way that issues get picked on time that day. So, going right into the opinion stage, we're going to give a small review, and then we're going to build, like, a... I was going to talk about the follow-up of the stage, yet, but I'm really sure, and I'll define these two, and then we currently go through the trial. Yeah, so, and here's the review of the process, those are the four stages, and these are the tools that we use to enhance participation. So, as I said, there are hundreds of ways to look at the process of being Taiwan, so here's the picture, no, I meant the drawing. And we have this, Su-Yang, just another colleague of MPD's, she ranks these four stages into smaller steps, so this is just another way to describe the process of being Taiwan, but here's two, to show how we use these tools throughout these smaller steps, and the point is that these tools are mostly open source, and here are, for the three concepts behind these tools, so here are interpretation, facilitation, and documentation, so these are the three concepts that we apply to use these tools, and interpretation is to reach the communication gaps among people, because people are from a lot of lives, so they have their own domain-specific language, so we have to use the idea of interpretation to help get the idea across to the layman, and facilitation is the art of Filipinas from the public, and documentation is really important because it highlights the importance of transparency and accountability, so at each mini-hackathon we will definitely have open a page, a new page of Hackpad, and everything that will be written will be recorded as the meeting minutes of Hackathon on PTA-1 on Hackpad, and also the facilitation meeting will also have a stenographer to help us record and to put it into transcripts, and of course we'll put it online, so documentation highlights the transparency that is of other core value that we emphasize. And so, okay, State Plan Proposal, so at each hackathon, a particular group, if they have something to, or they want to pitch, so they will develop a proposal, so as I said, we will actually have a top-down proposal, and the CIS is a bottom-up proposal, and so firstly, a contributor has to develop a paper or a tract to convince the other contributors that this specific issue is really important, so it has to make a statement, and secondly, once the topic is set, then all the contributors have to come up with a good name or the title, because this is like the attention grabber on the internet if you want to host a survey online, so the topic, like for example, if it's Uber, and maybe you could set the title as should Uber be to Google, for example, is quite a simple one, and as for the NCI case, because the original the most well-wide known, widely known title of this issue is Nonconcensual Pornography, but it's actually quite hard to translate pornography into Chinese, which obviously means porn, but what we want to discuss isn't about porn, so it's really hard, so we have spent so many times figuring out how to translate pornography, and then we decide to use intimate images instead of pornography, so I mean, the term and the title or the name of that topic is quite important, and if it were set in right, and then people would be able to translate, so a good name and a good title and a right term is really important, and third, and they are the other steps for the same one, we have an hour down the slope of the pop topic, but it depends on various case-by-case, because sometimes a specific topic should be narrower, but sometimes we need a broad, if you want to collect general opinions or you want to know the general sense of the general public about a specific issue, then it shouldn't be too narrow, so it depends, and we have to be sure the scope is fit for the purpose, and we have to map out the strategy, for example, how we spread this survey and what it's like, the events that we're going to do and find out the competent authority, and all of these steps should be determined and should be thoroughly discussed and be happened on, and find out the competent authority is when we reach out to the public sector, and for Vitaoan, we need to find an authority, and the authority has to be willing to take on, and to be responsible for that issue, if there is no competent authority willing to do that, then we cannot go on, because this Vitaoan, it's just not a facilitation of discussion among community, or among private sectors or community, we have to have public sector engaged in the process, so we need to find out the competent authority, and this is where we really need Audrey as a digital minister to sometimes put a little bit of pressure on the ministry, and gently force them to join us, and this is the screenshot of PackPad, we used this one quite frequently to have our meeting minutes posted online, and lastly we should choose the right tool for media collection, and this one will be discussed on the proposal stage, and once it sets, then we can go on to the stage two, so as the tools, and I'll briefly introduce these tools later, but if the air is not clear, and by the air, I mean the consensus or the general public about specific issue, and if it's not clear and still vague, so we use Polish, and Polish is really a good tool to discuss about a topic that is still unorganized, or we have no clue at all of what the general public will be and to the specific issue that we should use Polish, and let them decide what should be posted, and they can discuss, because traditional online questionnaire, all the questions and options are all set by the editors, but Polish contributors can decide what to discuss about and what to vote on by themselves, so these are also one of the key features of Polish, so if the air, the consensus is clear enough, then we can use this course and organize online form, and it's both mainly traditional online questionnaire, and if you're not sure, you can just go traditional, like use slide or type form, or like Google form to run the survey. Oh, there's another set, because at the proposal stage, the contributor or the proposer, or maybe the competent authority goes to the mini hackathon to propose, then some of them may have already had done some research, so they should publish their presentation document or research paper online on the telephone platform, so that any online researchers can have a look on what has been discussed about and what kind of research is done, and then they can use it as a reference, so it has also lots of links to lots of research or paper and presentations. And the tools, we have, we will briefly just introduce Polish discourse, slide of this, I believe, you guys are all familiar with, and time for me just another traditional online questionnaire, but it's just a traditional one, but it has fancy layouts, and it's quite similar with Google form. And discourse, and Polish, I'll leave that to Chopin later, and I'll skip that one. And discourse, it's like online form, so you can have a brief explanation on the topic, on the page, on the side, and then you can have an online and men topic and self-topics, so once you click on the men topic, then it will have self-topics, and in here it looks like a Facebook post, so people can reply and like that specific post, and we can also tag the ministry, because the Asian ministry has its account on discourse, and this is a rule set by the minister without portfolio jacqueline. She requires all the ministry to have an online account on discourse, so if the men ministry was tagged by the editor, then they should, they're obliged to reply within seven days if online users have some questions about specific topic. And the slide up, yes, all of the men who looked at, and type form, it's like, it's a form MC, a fancier online questionnaire of Google form. Okay, so, no, there's no exercise. And stage two, then we go to a previous stage, so based on the consensus that we reach on stage one, that we have the topic, we have the men and title, and we narrow down the scope, and we find the common authority, and we choose the tools, and we have published our research paper or other presentations, and we move on to stage two, which is the online competing collection. And here, Tankpolis, for example, Tankpolis is an example, we set up a good guidance as like a user manual on the welcome page of Polis. So we have to set some rules so that the online users can easily understand how to use these tools. So if it's Uber, then you can tell the online users that to post comments, always start with a feel, and one single idea, or one single post, or one single comment. And every comment is independent, so there's no need to reply to other comments because there's no reply like the button. You can only agree, disagree, or ask. And post opinions separately, as I said, every single comment contains only one single idea. And then I use question marks, so it should be a positive statement, so it makes it easier and not misleading. And write a brief introduction on the welcome page. So, yes, those DRs are just some reminders that you have to briefly describe the issues that we're going to talk about with these tools. So if it's Uber, then we can briefly have a short introduction of why we want to talk about this and, like, for example, the forum point described what's the next process. If you want to let the online users feel that they are respected, then we need to let them know what their opinions holds a certain level of value. So you have to let them know what we're going to do after this survey so that they feel that this is not just something that will end here. And it has an ongoing process. And explain the purpose and use of the result and friendly for all, of course. So, like, for example, if it's Uber, then you can have, if there's some, like, news, then you can start with the news link and tell people that it's quite controversial, so it makes the content more friendly for all of the contributors. And city comments are also quite important on Polish because it's a tool that encourages autonomy. So if there aren't any city comments, then there were no comments at all. And I'll later show you why. And so, for Polish, the editors or the contributors can post on city comments. So to end here, you can attract them and show them as an example of how we can do this. Like, for example, if there's the IFAs, the first statement can be, I feel that the non-essential distribution of bodily intermittent juices of crime, so it's a simple idea and a positive statement and there's one legal idea. So, here it can show the online user how to post comments. So, yeah, the other insane comments are quite important for Polish tools. And for this course, as I said, you can attack the authority. But this is the, if the tools that you use have the function of tagging and you can use this kind of, yeah, but good, because here a discourse, I think it's, Jacqueline Tsai has requested all the ministry to have an account, so that's quite unusual in words. But yeah, this is just the feature of discourse, of discourse. And of course, because of the privacy issue and the non-protection, so you have to ask for contribution in this survey. So, we have to ask if the participant is willing to publish their opinions or if they want to stay anonymous. So, like, for example, every online questionnaire should have questions regarding the openness of anonymity or whether they would like to subscribe to VITALON letter. So, this is for the future of contributions and just a reminder that it has to have this kind of questions to that, the process, for example, like for VITALON to keep growing. And each online opinion survey should last for at least a month. So, and if one month is enough, you can't extend it, but it's also decided by all of the contributors. So, you have the duration of the survey has to be thoroughly discussed and we can have a problem too. And here are some of the writers that because we need to promote and to spread the links of the survey. So, as I said, at the proposal stage, we need to map out the strategy and to try to draw more attention. And for Polis, the editor or the newsletter should keep the records by using Screenshot for Polis because the online users can we'll have a proposal that will show the visualization of the clustering. So, I mean, every minute it kind of changes all the time. So, the editor or the facilitator can use Screenshot to record the Polis visualization and set that up. And at the end, we should publish the report. We should be clear that there are raw reports and second-hand reports based on this survey. So, if the facilitator joins the process really early, so the facilitator can interpret these reports and generate the second-hand reports. And it will be like a presentation or like a research report. And so, these reports should be all uploaded on the Taiwan platform so that the Internet users can get the results, the raw results and the second-hand results of these reports generated by these rules. And of course, because there it is a public authority, so we have to remember that submitting these reports to the public authority for them as a reference so that they can move on to the next stage. Okay, so, any questions? Yeah, I believe there are great questions, but we want to let Michelle Ban show them. Or maybe just take one question. Take one question. Okay. Yes. Yes. Okay, I just was curious the exercise we did yesterday, does this fit into this process at any point? For now, it's separate. There's that for PO Network and for the Facilitation Workshop and here is for VITAM. For now, because there are some voices supporting that we should combine these two and process and like do an experiment, but we haven't done that yet. Maybe we should do that in the future. Yeah. Okay, so, Rachel will help us do the trial on Polis and maybe after the trial we can get more. Has anyone here ever heard about Polis before? Before today? Okay. Oh, yeah. Then we will answer. I'm sorry, what is the relationship with Polis? Before Audrey was appointed as digital minister, VITAM has already existed. So, like I said, after some problems in the end of 2014, because of Jacqueline sign and then minister of portfolio, VITAM was born and he has been run by community with the help of national development council. So now it's a cooperation and partnership between community and national development council. But the previous we sort of like played the role of as a facilitator in trying to communicate and help to communicate with public sectors and private sectors and community. So we are like a password for run VITAM. But field network it's something after Audrey was appointed as digital minister and field network exists inside the government inside the central government. Am I right? So, if I can add it that please, if I'm wrong my understanding just based on Eric's perspective was field network is more specifically within the cross-ministries where they have a lot of specific community stakeholders that the government is doing on each floor in the facilities that are in the central government from government to outreach outwards and within the process. In Taiwan it's collaboration with national development council. And just a little bit of context with people that came in today Minister Audrey Tang sits as the digital minister without portfolio that she is above the other ministries in the theme position even though because she's without portfolio she has a technical budget and she has ministry obligations which gives her the unique position in her case she also talked a little bit yesterday about how she crowdsourced her literally from job description pretty much from the communities that she is above and that basically then her relationship to the government gives her speaking power sort of like more public representation of what digital government should be like and so there's that sort of getting more ministries to collaborate with processes like in Taiwan was basically my understanding so that like B-Taiwan itself exists outside of government but then it's able to bring in ministries with accountability. A quite important role here for B-Taiwan she was a volunteer and main contributor for B-Taiwan when she was still a contributor of GOBS in our community but once she was appointed as digital minister she sort of like introduced B-Taiwan into the central government and well recognized by these ministries below her but she's an editor so she doesn't like this kind of saying and she's not here anyway so and with the help of digital minister so if we like I said we need to reach to competent authority to take on what specific issue other will be like a really good channel to between community and these ministries so she plays a quite important role here between all of these different forms and networks. So I'm from a community I'm not a public service community or a sense of point of view B-Taiwan is a co-creation process with the community which makes B-Taiwan you can just walk in a mini hackathon on Wednesday and eat pizza together and set the agenda and help typing and you can suggest and sing and you can be a next facilitator for the next meeting that's very different from PO PO you have to have 5,000 petition or it's no it doesn't have to but you have to go into a government that is not so any conclusion or discussion on B-Taiwan the government is not obligated to have to do those things that way but it's an open consultation process so and the connection is that PD is the address office is helping these two projects as in and so I want to invite you to use Polis how many of you can scan the QR code right here so for Apple phone you just need your camera to open your camera and scan the QR code it's the link on the head folder so we got some slides it's also on the slide so with the laptop you don't have to scan you just click the link on the slide if you're in Slido I already have this is the QR code for Slido and I made this Slido here there's a link as well can everybody connect to this is the QR code for Slido how many persons getting to Polis right now okay so you can go to Slido you can either scan the QR code or do 1106 Toronto okay so how many are struggling to get to Polis I mean struggling three okay so you can see here this is a description right here so like what province Uber is trying to solve, what province Uber is closing what policies also can be something like that in some instruction that you should post a comment like Starwood I think and every comment is independent so there's no need to reply to others and please use positive statement don't use double negative statement that's very hard for people to recognize and one statement for one comment I want to assure like for example I can start with I think sharing economy is is not trained so governments should modify regulation instead of business every sharing service so this is my this is my statement so I can write this statement and I don't even have to log in so I can write oh I want to show you how to okay I think we can go on this go for an hour show to see how to write your statement so please someone write a statement I can from my personal experience do anyone write a statement do you see you can see me write a statement and you can say you agree disagree or pass and you can write your own statements so I'm looking oh yeah so I think Uber should be taxed at the same level as tax company should be enforced so I agree on this so we have to log in so you can put the common statements you have yesterday into this into this practice so if you want you can go back to see the problem statement or the solution statement you have for the yesterday practice and we can see how people react to a solution it can be a statement or you can give a reason why you think that I think a lot more because we can see we start to have some group like two people at the age so okay now we have two groups of course social media login but I don't know why now it's not that's okay you probably need to log in on a public page yeah it used to can be logging in Facebook and also of course they have some integration with Twitter right now you can use the hashtag to provide your statement on Twitter and it will be collected in all this system there are three groups also a reminder to submit statements starting with IP IPL is also there so you can say how does this work how does this work so for the gigforks the algorithm is called PCA so basically your one statement is one dimension so when you don't agree disagree and pass it's according to minus one and zero and it's a matrix so it's like if we have 10 questions and there are 10 dimensions and on each dimension your answer is the vocation so then I have the coordinate of your opinion position so this grouping is based on your current position in this 10 dimensions matrix and then we calculate the distance of each person and put each person into a grouping I hope this is understandable how does this course integration work so if you see a statement and you feel like there are multiple ideas in there or you want to suggest a different way of doing it can you consider a place that I can go to to see that discussion can you rephrase your question again like for example if there's a statement and I feel like generally I can't do it but then I have something to add to it then the better way is you form a better statement and then because in polis they don't provide you to directly reply to that comment you need to phrase a new statement these are equal chambers for farts sorry I'm trying to be actual I figured there would be a 12 hours what does that mean so you can just click past wait so what it was like that I didn't even say that she's got the editing again so we are merging to two separate okay I just got one of two minutes so if you can finish we can go on this that's polis so far so let's see so now we have three groups so we have around 21 people people in the room and we are opinions defining to three groups so you can see the story out of Hawaii in chinese but you can see the this is the common one so 90% of people agree that sharing economy is the trend so the government should modify regulation instead of banning every sharing economy and then also it's a our common ground I want to know the up-round how much I might be charged in this case so I think there needs to be regulations and the ability to protect the personal safety of possible passengers 100% whoa we have 100% agree on this yeah and then I think my sourcing should be better integrating to a public transit system that's very interesting I don't see using the discussion term one and I think Uber driver should have some safety trend so we can now see among group A is that I think Uber can reduce the need for car ownership and among group B the common statement is I think a fee should be added to all the first on the ground that goes to or found to go with your safety and you can see some people in group A disagree with this statement that doesn't think that the Uber driver's right feet needs to go back to a public transit so this is one way to look at the map so so you can see this map focus on the common opinions of different groups so we have group A this is one of the almost past so keep that version that version is here Uber Uber drivers should be licensed like taxi drivers so will be people think yes but a taxi driver needs to be licensed by a large group of people here in Uber I'm sorry if you already explained this I'm just confused so how are you determining who is in A and who is in B so it's done by the algorithm so I'm going to explain the algorithm again because I explain you are using so each statement, each questions you can fill a green disagree the coding in the computer system is one minus one and zero and you take this so if the coordinates so if f1 line here you have one, zero, and minus one on the line and if one question is one dimension now we have around 30 statements then we have 30 dimensions and each, you're voting on each statement is the coordinate of that dimension I will have your personal opinion a coordinate position a coordinate position and then we can count the distance to each person so the algorithm decides who is closer their position is closer and they group them together so the voting faces are left like there's share of opinions on statements so far you mean in front of me and I see that there's more little faces on the b side that's telling me that these people are similar statements and therefore they're physically close to one another in their opinion ultimately or so if it's in the b sides they if it's b sides they are closer so you can see here they are closer but because it's a search for this poll it's a 30 dimensions it's it's a 30 dimensions projection of two dimensions playing still here closing doesn't necessarily mean that their opinion are closer but the group so only a group so you can see this another way to see that is pollers they have a backstage like this you can go to see a report so this is an overview report and everybody can see so I have a question about that back in the poll sorry okay so the shapes are kind of like I've kind of voted myself purposely out into being the top outlier there which means that I've pulled the entire group up would that be considered probably the outlier eventually or is everything grouped they put everybody not everything will be grouped everybody will be grouped there can be people outside yeah they can be people outside but I have to say again because it's a 30 dimension projection on the two dimensions you seem like it doesn't necessarily mean that you are on in this machine so so we have 23 people 21 people are grouped so there are two people and I grouped it anyway and we have 42 statements so we have 708 so on average people give 3 statements and you can see here is how diverse the conversation is wait what was the last one so this is the statement this is the statement this is the statement this is the statement that very very diverse I think everyone should should should get the right here and the most agreed one is right here so you can see we have quite close agreement about here is there over 50% and over this this is a topic that have really large diversity and this this is extreme one so Audrey in the afternoon she will host a session on how to facilitate further discussions through this report I don't know how she is going to do that so I have I have tried to personally I have tried that we go for the most diverse statement we go see this one in the common group here and ask people from a different group about what this opinion is and sometimes it usually is you are in different context for example there is a context you didn't mention in the statement so when you explain the statement sometimes the problem is solved and sometimes you can further know why it's the different of value so yeah and then you can see that so this is non-production so efforts suggest you mean we can cross-source the topic she will say we should cross-source the topic out of the beginning so go to the backstage so in the backstage you can add the topic you can add the description and the URL so let's read that so but I think we already we already have this title or we want to we want to change the title yeah we do like to cross-source because this is the first step of initiating a public survey so currently it's just a big shopping Toronto but that's how to try to you know reach a consensus of how we should name this survey if you would like to for example if you are a policymaker or a legislator at a city Toronto city level and you want to host an online discussion of how we should regulate Uber or how we should respond to Uber and how we should name the title if we want to initiate this public survey for the citizens of Toronto city of Toronto any suggestion this is I mean as many have not known this is what we do okay now we are going to talk about this the public sets how we have information is it in Toronto also transportation and okay so we have the stakeholders and now we need to provide a really good name how would you name that yes how should we regulate right sourcing how should we regulate right sourcing say sourcing how do youiam please say sourcing i would be glad to share this how about right howling can we change regularly to operating how should we alternate right sourcing as Civic I don't know if you're right, so I think you're right, Gary. And then we don't know where you're coming to know. Yeah, he's coming to know. So E.J., Uber, and Lyft. Maybe just remove the right source from the stove, or do we need to clear it? Clear it or come here? How should we operate Uber and Lyft? Antensis. Antensis. How should we operate Uber and Lyft? Are we crossing the right sourcing out? So we can't be removed from the stove? We're crossing out. How should we operate Uber and Lyft? Antensis. Antensis. How should we operate Uber and Lyft? Antensis. How should we operate Uber and Lyft? Is that a local one? I don't know where you're going. No, not at the time. Yeah, that's better. I think we should probably have it here in turn. So I think maybe the term the city uses is vehicles for hire. Vehicles for hire. So how should we do that? Vehicles for hire. Yes, there is a pipeline. Is that right? No. Vehicles for hire. It's like this one? No. There's no D. Is there a D? Oh, not no D. So that should be understandable for most of the citizens of the city of Toronto. I think you should put Toronto under there. Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. So I think if we... So I think this is better. I mean, it's this state. So I've just demonstrated that we should further questions first. And so with this question, if we continue to do this, I think we will have more concise ideas or statements on the topic. We can continue to do that. You are welcome to add any statements in between. And all three will host a further discussion afterwards. And any questions you want to ask so far? Please keep voting or submitting your own statements because this will be the main material for the demo consultation meeting in the afternoon. The report was generated by several minutes ago. But it's real-time, so you can still keep voting and submitting, and we can have the regenerated grant offering arrived here. So you can keep on doing that. And any questions? Also regarding the Taiwan State one and State two. Or have we already got... I don't know. People can keep asking comments like, because now we need to taxi in this, then we should have some statements on the taxi information. Because at first it's only about working. Is it okay to change the question happily through or would you serve a new voice if you were to change the question? Yeah. No, it's the same. Like you wouldn't change the topic halfway through? Will it influence the tomorrow? It's not influence the tomorrow, but it's not supposed to change the questions happily through. But because I missed the step that we should cross-sourcing the question first so that we modified this one to make it more precise. As you can see, here's the backstage of the police survey. So at any hackathon, we need to specify or to name the topic and then we go on to the description and we should cross-source what we should of what we write in this... in here. And we should have our own rules for this police survey. And also we can have our own CD comments. If we have time, then we can try to submit some CD comments as an example to other online users to understand how to use this on a police survey. So this is what the backstage looks like. We can also monitor. Do you always see comments in advance or do you see where the conversation goes? We usually do that first. Yeah, as an example. I have acts around with my friends and my relatives whether they feel this is friendly enough or they still think it's not that easy to use. I mean, for senior, the thing is quite confusing if there's no CD comments. So if there's no CD comments in zero statement, then there isn't any agree or disagree button to click. So it's quite confusing. So one statement is good enough to show as an example so that there's a click to, a button to click to show them. But somehow the mobile version might look a bit confusing. I don't know. But we have worked with some of the colleagues. They are working for police at this station in New York City and they are still trying to make it better. In the past, the report wasn't like this but now it's getting better. So it's still improving. And you can also moderate the comments here that you can reject. So if it's like really insulting or discrimination. Reject that. We seldom do that. If you do reject something then it's getting subjective and it won't be controlled by some editors or facility. So we haven't had that kind of insulting comments yet so far. But I mean there is a function to moderate the comments so that we won't get messy. You have examples of I would say like local municipalities that have used quotes for public consultations. Because the irony is that the usual licensing standards in the city of Toronto is currently doing a beautiful prior review of public consultations. So something like this would be not to the level that you would use in Taiwan like just a human attest of having a person an ID or something. Do you have examples of jurisdictions using? What was the first way? Besides in Taiwan? Yeah. What did you mean jurisdiction? For me? Or what did you mean have a symbol in jurisdiction? Just like this is what I'm just wondering if there are case types in Point 2 to help public servants for example in Toronto that is not probably but just examples of people using a tool like this. So it's not only in Taiwan there is an internet not talk show. Internet political talk show they use this to collect their audience opinions before they they're recording they're recording the show so that they can, you know, sort of issue and see what they find it and they can talk about opinions in this. And also sometimes we have huge debates so there was a time that a little girl was just randomly picked and caught us on the street. So it generates a discussion on that kind of thing. We still have that kind of thing in Taiwan. So it's not any government that asks what's your opinion on the capital team. As I remember it's around 2,000 people joining the discussion. Yeah. We have one specific canning for drum drivers and the use poll is the facility that I use poll is to have a previous research on what's the general sense of the general public on the canning for drum driver. Can we get back to that question later? I have to look at the data again. Okay. The join, the drum platform we have a case about whether we should have canning for drum drivers and sexual sexual assault of children and the facilitator she that it's not it's not mandatory. But because there were too many signatures on the e-pedition website. Like won the government to have canning to be in the mall. Okay, sorry. One of the petitions on the e-pedition website in Taiwan is our proposal want and tradition is won the government to have canning in our mall to punish those people who does child abuse and driving and because there were I think that's the we got most signatures for that case in Taiwan in the e-pedition website. Yeah, it's the highest number one. We have the comment where you can for or against the petition you can just sign so we would like to know what people are for or against for, not just yes, I want to sign an e-pedition. That's why we open the policies to gather deeper insight about why people are signing to that e-pedition. That's the reason why we use that and combining the policies with the e-pedition website. We did that in the in Colombia. Yeah, yeah. So I like this the long journey here. Okay. So, Fong, would you share with us after launch break? Yes. That's a really interesting one and I think that's also has lots of track and lots of contributors of that service. So there's a really controversial issue and drunk driving has been a really controversial issue in Taiwan. Okay, so... Lots of time? Yeah. Okay, so lots of time. Thank you.