 What's going on guys? We're back with another episode of the after hours podcast today. It's just Harry and I kind of like the old school Alex is taking a little time off. So yeah, man So I guess lately we've been talking a lot about like general the economy and like what how things have been working it as far as the You know indexes and all the major large caps and all that stuff and you know, I feel like every week We're getting a lot more information. There's like news coming out every week. That's kind of driving the latest stock market kind of move and I feel like this last couple weeks has started to really show like as a country and as probably a What as the world we are probably headed into a recession. If not, whatever is worse would be a depression You know so far everything data-wise that we've been waiting for CPI and all that stuff has been higher than expected Everything's coming out worse than they think. Yeah, you know, and I don't know about you like Harry But at least around here. I'm noticing. I'm starting to notice more now Recession again. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's here. It's we talked about in the past, but it's like there's just no one working There's people kind of just struggling to kind of get by The markets down when the markets down people spend less, right? Like I live in a nice area and a lot of people as they make money in the market They're taking that money out. They're buying the nice cars They're buying, you know, the houses and they're doing their job renovations for their house and all that I'm noticing now is kind of definitely slowing down, but I don't know what's everything going on in like Canada right now Yeah, so like kind of where I live there's like and I was talking about this with my grandparents as well because my grandparents like live in like a pretty like Well off kind of like decent area like where I'm from and Kind of what they've noticed is that and like I've noticed this too is that during COVID I found the top one not one percent But let's say that let's say it like if we just say between like 50% Like the bottom 50% didn't do the best, you know, the people on the bottom did not do well, right? Like if you were already struggling to get by before COVID now, you have to worry about getting groceries Now you have to worry about everything being more expensive, right? So we have things that have inflated so much where it's like if you own any of those assets Like you did pretty well and if you don't and you're more of a consumer and you don't really have the best job And you weren't really in the the best position, you know You were you are if you were struggling before you're really struggling to afford things now, right? And so I noticed that there are a lot more people on the streets where I'm from There are a lot more people like like Walmart is packed every single fucking day Walmart is packed. There's a lot less people using where where I'm from. We have kind of like two main grocery stores We have Superstore and we have Sobies. There's a lot less people shopping there There's a lot more people shopping at Walmart the dollar store lines They had to implement self-checkouts because there's the lineup is at the back of the fucking store 24 7 7 days a week, right? And so that dollar store index is kind of what I used to say like You know, first of all that stocks never going down like dollar ammo where I'm from it's a Canadian stock That stock is never going down even in COVID didn't even didn't even go down in COVID You know like no one sold that shit off because it's the dollar ammo, you know that's where everyone is shopping and It's crazy because like when when I noticed stuff like that that's when I'm like, okay We're actually in a problem, you know Walmart is packed to the end of the store the lineup is packed Like they couldn't even like you you will go on a Sunday morning. You can go on Friday night a Monday night wherever the dollar ammo and Walmart is packed so for me, it's like I know people are struggling when I see a lot of people there and Also, I think and we talked about this as well without helps yesterday is that companies like FedEx companies like pure later are closing down their offices right now due to the fact that You know, they're just not seeing the shipping volume like they did before on COVID, right during COVID that Expand they had to open things up. They're like our business is growing like crazy and Now we're in a situation where you know, they're shutting down They're like the the package volume is not what it used to be so I mean that's where I've kind of seen You know, yeah, that's why I've kind of seen a lot of kind of like where it is right now, you know Yeah, I think before when you have me on the like or not you have me on the podcast I guess it's like ours, but like I think before kind of in the summer. I was like, I don't really see it You know, yeah, but now I'm starting to see it a little bit more where it's like, you know People are still going to concerts. It but you definitely see that the restaurants aren't as full And I like I used to have I used to have to make reservations in advance I used to have to worry about waiting an hour now. It's like I'll walk right in and get a table You know, that was like unheard of where I'm from. So it's like you are starting to see it now where It is getting worse things are getting a lot more expensive I can't go to the grocery store without spending $30 for for one meal Right, I can't like I mean, what was that like before you know, yeah Like 10 15 bucks, you know, if you wanted to go in and get now if I want to go in and buy like let's say I want to buy a nice steak Right, like just for supper. I want to buy a nice steak. I want to buy some fries and let's say You know, if you add, you know, pop or you add if you add beer, you know You're spending 50 bucks. If you add pop you're spending 30. So it's crazy. Yeah, it is crazy And I think right now the biggest thing I'm noticing is just like lack of buying power I think this is the first time in our our life families were seeing inflation As high as it is and I think I never understood that actual impact of inflation on just like the regular world like everything going on And I'm noticing it now I'm noticing people more penny pinching because when you're spending that much more on food on gas on everything You just have a lot less money to spend and I actually went to the mall the other day I had to grab some stuff. It was dead and all over the COVID It was a zoo because people were getting stimulus checks if we're spending money there at Louis Vuitton Gucci It was just crazy. Whereas now it's like it's kind of like what you said I just notice people spending less and starting to be a little bit more tight Which is not good for the market because we need especially in small cap traders, too but we need people putting money into the market and the reality is that most people nowadays Probably don't make enough to not only pay their bills You know this even pre inflation but now not only to pay their bills But they don't have more money to actually put into the market. So what really sucks is that we've for the last hundred years We've already grown the wealth gap so significantly bigger and when stuff like this happens Like as bad as this is right now for the world when we come out of it because it will happen Eventually where we might go in a recession depression, whatever Yeah, people that had the money the people that were able to capitalize will just get richer So it's just the wealthier the wealthier top 10% of people will just get wealthier and the lower-end people get lower Because then stocks will rebound then they really won't have any money to buy And and you know it's right now too. It's tough I know a lot of my friends are looking for houses and do when inflation is like this your buying power is cut into a third You know, I mean you know for it's just it's very hard right now And I think I think the general world is starting to wake up and realize like hey something's wrong Meaning like it's not just America now, and I think America has always been the engine of the world For at least the last, you know hundred years or so, but now it's like the global Recession is probably happening You know, we have foreign countries working together to on foreign policy Possibly like deep egging the dollar or trying to go against the dollar, which would be terrible for us if we lost that got that standard It'd be terrible for the market and everything and now we have people like Ray Dahlia Who I think is probably one of the most intelligent people in the world is saying that if Rates continue to increase even by a little bit more. He sees a 20% downside in stocks That would crush the economy because there's a lot of overlevered people In the market still and they're just praying for it to bounce because we've been saved every time and you know It was what 20 2008 Well, you know, yeah, whatever when Lehman crashed, you know, that was not the long go And it feels very similar to that just as far as data goes and all of that Yeah, and also I think like and this is what I was thinking like if you were in the bottom, let's say 10% like like what do you do to To try and get richer like I'm not really sure at the moment, you know Like you try and save money here, but oh you're let's say, you know, oh you have a rent increase You know, you try and save money here. Oh, but this pops up. Oh, you try and save money here Oh, but this pops up right like you would have to literally just work and come home and And and save your money and hope that your car doesn't break down or hope that you don't get a flat tire You know, but and that that would be it and then the only way you could really do it is putting that money into Into stocks like that would be the only way you could try and You know, you get richer and like improve yourself other than that. I don't really know, you know Yeah, so like 10 years ago when I was 18 we full when we opened my first business and Back then I could work over like I could work as much as I wanted So I'd work 80 hours right if I was working 40 and let's say I wanted more money I would just work more hours and then you know I was in a position back then where I could just stash the money away Which helped me long term and got me into trading and all that stuff But now it's like you said I have friends that work 50 hours a week. It's a full-time job and after that they get Let's say $1,500 in their check after taxes at 750 and then they pay their expenses They're left with like a hundred fifty bucks over a week or something like that And it sounds terrible and it sounds really like harsh But you cannot grow wealth on a hundred fifty dollars a week at that point You need to somehow work on moving up in your career moving up to another job That's gonna pay you more because I hate when people talk Excuse me about like saving money by like not buying coffee. It's like I get it, but that $2.50 a day I'm sorry. It's not gonna change your life ever Right and it's like but and that's the point is now there's so many people in that position of how do I save money How do I get to the next level? How can I invest in stocks? But the reality is most people can't most in a real estate. They don't have the cash, right? And it's and I'm noticing that a few years ago is only a few people I know that were like that now it's I would say 90% of people I know are just in pay their bills go to work pay their bills go to work And it's just a cycle of like never breaking it and never moving on and now only people want to work from home All people want to do they want to work less they'll make less But at least their life is just a little bit easier because they don't have to actually commute anywhere Yeah, and you know, I just I don't understand that whole concept anymore It's like the whole concept of like and this is another thing that actually I have even a friend who's done this Where they're working from home and they're working two jobs Yeah, so he went from making 50k a year and he also signed a contract like he signed a contract non-compete He signed a contract that he would not have another job and literally this dude is working from home he's like one of my one of my good buddies and You know, he's making 100k because he has two jobs, right? I respect it I mean, that's a hustle, you know, I mean, it's like no, it's not technically allowed But I mean dude people got to get by people have to make more money, right? It's like it's like the same thing It's like, you know, I don't know people they do whatever they can to get by make some extra cash. It's yeah He's working it. He's like on the phone all day like different calls come in from like different places He's like selling shit, you know, he's got like leads and prospects and he's doing it for both companies meetings He's scheduled them like an hour apart. He was like, bro, I had meetings from nine to five today I was like why like why'd you have so many meetings? He's like, bro, I got one company here and then right away I got another company here, but it's like what what are you supposed to do? You know at the at at this point, like I think it should be allowed like, you know If you're like those types of non-compete contracts shouldn't exist anymore because if you're not going to pay your employees like a good wage Like how are your employees supposed to live? You know, yeah And just wait and wait until there's an actual like when it really hits the the shit It's the van that we're really in a recession. I mean companies are going to start laying people off They're going to start, you know, actually realizing like wait a second people need to come back to the office You know, so while you can you got to hustle as much as possible But I think as like traders we come become kind of numb to the money and like, you know The reality is to get involved in the stock market you I mean to trade you need Call it 30 grand 25k is PDT Unlimited over you basically need 30 though to even get your feet wet And it's like I think we become numb to that because you know when you're making a few thousand dollars a day You just forget how much money that actually is and it's like Dude the average person like they might not even have 30k to their name, you know, they're they might not have They don't even they're anything they have may not even be worth that And I understand that a lot of my friends want to trade and they want to learn but it's like Dude you it sucks, but you need money to make money and it's tough And I just I think we're entering this phase of like, you know, it's going to be slow for a while I think small caps are very Interesting right now. I'm like noticing like there's there's these moves and you're like you've been taking really good advance on the long side But like they're it's nothing's powerful. Like nothing's like Yeah, nothing's like too crazy For me how I kind of see it right now is that like If we break over high day, it's going to be like 20 30 40 cents Yeah, you know and if it's a lower price stock, it's probably going to be like 20 cents, you know, that's probably all you're going to get you know, yeah, and Yeah, I mean for me. I'm just trying to take like what I'm offered and what I'm given And I'm just trying to keep it simple every single day You know, I had a nice trade on beat the day before that I had a nice trade on whatever that stock was I forget And you know, just a couple nice trades patting the wallet throughout the week. Like I I liked it You know, so I'm just trying to keep it super simple Um, just stick to what I know, you know by support sell resistance And I also think that you know, there are a lot of people on this market trying to go for home runs there are a lot of people in this market who are Uh, it's more of like a chasey kind of market. I find where like there's a lot of shorts Who are slamming the lows and there's a lot of loans who are buying the highs And I mean, that's just the market in general But I mean now I think a lot of people the thing is is that we get these types of markets when people really need money, right? Yep, so Those stuff moves at the highs are more prevalent because we have you know, you know We have a bunch of you know, we've got like a million volume like over the high of day Who are fucking chasing it just praying for that one breakout praying for that one breakout And when it stops, you know, they're all trapped. They're all stuck. That's the end of the move, right? And so every single person, you know I'd say the majority of small cap traders, you know, they're people who need money, right, you know, they They're looking for that big move. Yeah, they're looking for that 100 percent moves to grow their account 100 200 And we're just we're not gonna get that, you know, not in this market. Anyway, you know How long were we saying? Oh, we need a runner. We need a runner We need a runner to light this up and now no one's even saying that because we just know it's not coming This is where it is Like once last time you saw stock go three to six at the open or when's the last time that you saw stock open up And just keep going higher for the entire fucking day Dude, I don't even remember a time I don't remember a stock that like really spiked at the open like lately They kind of like dropped down a little bit and they might pop but like we don't get that push over high Day much and like you said if it does it's like 20 cents 30 cents And then it just tends to like channel like I feel like it's like I'm not a big person. Like oh, there's algos. There's algos, but I really feel like right now It's a lot driven by algorithmic trading because it's like you look at beat yesterday It's just up they sell down Boom up they sell and it was like clockwork, right? It was right at the end of the day boom shots over high day by like 20 or 30 cents, right? Yeah, that was great You know, it's like it's just that kind of trading right now Which is a market where like bow like really does well because it's very much the line to line market Yeah, there you know, there is nothing I had to I changed my mentality a little bit and I was talking with bear about it Just now it's my mentality is this before it was about account growth and just like keep growing your account as big as possible to increase your risk But in this market, it's more of You know grow your account make money but pay yourself It's exactly that in you make your money to take it out you get in you make money to take it out Because it's just not there's not going to be the opportunities anyways to really size up right now It's just not there, you know, you think it's we take the layups that come You stick to your risk. Like we said risk manager was important. You're talking about it yesterday You take one cut for 10 cents or whatever, but then you nail a 50 cent move Yeah, my two cuts yesterday were like break even, you know, that's it You and oh, sorry, they were both around the uh Uh kind of like the whole number And I was like, you know what If this kind of consolidates or sits here for too long I'll just wait And so it was kind of consolidating consolidating consolidating like kind of like chilling there for too long So I just sold it and then when it dumped lower I bought back And I ended up getting that nice move from like 195 into I think it was like 243 Yeah, I feel like I feel like it's a long right now too. You have to be like extra careful because I feel like you could so easily like If you ignore your risk like level like the stock Really not come back and like, you know, we know people have done it, right? They buy 10 cents lower 10 cents lower 10 cents lower just you know And you can get one of those days where it just doesn't bounce So I I think it's good that how tight you keep your risk and you've always kind of been like that But how tight you keep it is very is very good And it's impressive, you know, and tom's the same way in the short side tom's very good at you know He almost basically cuts it even yeah, you guys are very similar that way. It's just line to line I mean you're way better than tom because he's trash, but But no, I mean the market's gonna be tough for a while I think this is what a bear market feels like and I just think at this stage of the game It's you take your money and you run. Yeah, that's it. You stay around all day It's really not much to going on. It's slow. I check in in main chat and it's like not much going on so You know, that's what we're at. But yeah, and I might you know I might start coming back for the afternoons because afternoons have been like kind of Like little squeezers like into the clothes like that's nice but Again, like to me. I'm not I'm not pushing too hard right now. I'm just trying to you know Take it take it day by day as it fucking comes, you know And that's really all that someone like me can do, you know Like you wake up like even yesterday like a couple things ran, but like in the open. I wasn't really a fan of them like we had I think it was like 80 xg or something like that the symphony to sympathy to hkd and it's like You know, I've never been good at sympathy stocks like for example Oil when oil was kind of going crazy and we had all the oil stocks You know, we got to move from like two to four But I've never been really good at at catching them like I'm just You really if you want to trade sympathies Like as along you have to be watching the other stock And then you have to have an idea on the other stock that also could line up on Another stock, you know, so you're like, oh, I want to buy this one at support But I'm not gonna buy it because that's the head of the snake Oh, but this one is getting closer to support and you have to like correctly get get into that timing and get involved So for me, it's just too hard, you know, yeah, I feel like it's a short Sympathies are a lot easier. Yeah. Oh 100 because you see the main one crack Yeah, everyone's like it's done. It's done. It's done You scale in on all four and they all fucking get smoked. Yeah for sure and Yeah, I mean, I think you have such a good approach to a slow market And I think a lot I think by the time we come out of the bear market, whether it's a year or two years six months Whatever, I think there's gonna be a lot less traders out there And I think there's gonna be a lot less people on twitter talking about how much money they make because It's this is a hard market. It's been a hard market for a year Which kind of leads into like the questions like we got two questions from members that we wanted to answer A big two questions have big two and and they but they were good and you know, so the first one was Um, how are you adapt? How did you adapt your trading over time and how did you adjust your trading over time? Um, I guess we can both answer if you want to go first Harry Well for me, I think when I first started it was really important like building my account So my main structure was first bounce. That's kind of everyone knows that's how I kind of like built an account where I'd wait for stocks to kind of go up. I take that small 10 20 30 cent move And then I'd go, you know the stock would go lower and that would be it, right? It would kind of Go up get that bounce sell lower, right? That's how I kind of grew my account Now I'm a lot more fucking greedy, you know, I have gotten to a stage where it's like You know as bad as this sounds. I don't want to be scalping for 10 to 20 30 cents, you know I want to be getting a dollar or share move And I think that just comes over time with experience, right being able to recognize that opportunity So when I was first growing my account, my mindset was line to line 10 20 30 cents I'm not greedy. I'm very very very disciplined. I'm You know, you're you are strictly growing in account. You're strictly looking at one setup Um You are you're not going for a big move. You're not going to be greedy your main focus Is growing that account. So for me, I was like, I'm sticking to this one setup I know my entry. I know my exit. I know my this. I know my that and that's it Now I'm a bit more of a different type of uh creature. You could say where it's like You know, I'm walking in every morning and number one it's uh, what what stock can make me the most money and uh, what do I need this stock to do And how do I need this stock to behave in order for me to be able to get like, you know, a dollar a share move, right? And what type of price action am I looking for for that? And that comes with experience, you know I could name all five trades this week all five of them where Yes, similar in some way, but very very different in other ways, right? So for me, you know, I'm not I'm just You know doing what I can in order to get the biggest moves each day and just kind of coming in and and Saying, you know, like what can Give me the biggest the biggest moves, you know Yeah, yeah, I guess for me it was like kind of the same thing for the longest time It was just about account growth uh growing my account like over pdT and then like growing my account As I got over pdT and it was much more of a like take the money and like bail kind of mindset of like Take that 10 20 cents We you know, and if I make $200 that day great if I make $500 great or whatever Whereas you know now in back then I also was more timid of taking the bigger moves Because I think I was more afraid of giving back gains Which is like I think very normal. I think it's hard to adjust your brain to thinking like all right I'm looking for a bigger move And I'm kind of the same way just on the opposite side now like I don't want to get involved unless I can take a large portion of the move So that's like I don't even really short stocks that are like under 30% that much anymore because there's just no range And that's kind of like my biggest thing I've talked about recently is like you just need ranging If it talks up 50 60 70 percent and I know I can catch a 30 percent move Like that's what I like to see and that's going to give me Kind of like the what's worth risk and I think before I was way less focused which sounds terrible But when I was newer I was way less focused on risk. I was more focused on what I could make And now I'm very much more focused on risk and that's it like no matter how big my risk gets It's in check. It's very much like my risk size Will tell me my share size and those are the kind of moves I'm looking for just bigger and Much easier. So yeah, I don't know. I think everyone you adjust over time and you learn and if you don't I mean, you really won't make it as a trader anyways. So Yeah, it's actually surprising like listening to job because like not surprising but like Because I it kind of brought me back to remembering You know when we both first started and you were more of a scalper, you know You're more of take that 20 30 cent move and that's going to be it for me And me I was more of a scalper as well where I'm like, oh first bounce, you know Like if you went in the chat and this was like three years ago in m ic or even four years ago You'd see me doing first bounce and james doing scalping, right? And the thing is I think now A lot of people now don't have that mindset, you know, yeah, like when we were first growing an account That was our mindset. We were not greedy. We were taking the moves that we could but I feel like now with all these like twitter people and You know, this is the holy grail system and this is the the clear out and this is the this and this is the that We have so many more You know people saying stuff and doing this that people really kind of stray away from building an account And they start doing other things, right? Yeah Today I have the idea because this twitter dude said this today I have the idea because this twitter dude said that right and people get a wet, you know, like Like and and there's this whole thing like do you want to make money or you do you want to follow these like kind of like Systems right and so it's like it's okay If you have built an account and you're saying okay, I'm gonna maybe try and work on You know a new setup or a new strategy But I can still you know get income in my trading from the other things that I've been doing, right? and I think really if you want to grow an account scalping is the way to get started because You get to learn and you get to understand how things move and you get to make money And we've seen a lot of people like if you can't fucking scalp. I'm sorry, but you're not going to be able to do Your all day fader system. I'm sorry You entries Yeah, if you can't consistently fucking scalp and sit at that chart and get every bottom tick and every fucking top tick All the way fucking up or all the way down Like you're you're like you're you're not going to be able to follow your fader system or your Your whatever system or this or that or the clear out or the this because you don't understand how stocks move Yeah, so it's like if you don't understand how stocks move and you're not at that skill level, that's fine but you know To me it's just You know, you're you're gonna you're gonna have a lot of trouble Yeah, no matter if you have this holy grail system or that holy grail system You know, if you don't if you don't understand it and you can't scalp and you can't grow an account that way Then you really don't have a hope trying to go for these 20% moves because you're gonna be so flustered on your entries all the way up and not really understand the market dynamics That by the time you're right, you're gonna have so many paper cuts. So it's not even worth it anymore, right? Yeah, I think I think the reality is like you need all these people think like, oh, i'm gonna I'm gonna start a PDT I'm gonna follow this system. I don't be rich The reality is you need a big account to follow these like kind of like system things because you need to be able to withstand like Cut after cut after cut after cut whereas most people don't realize that that's part of it and it's really hard. So I think like Both of us for example, like we were able to scalp our way to an account where it made sense now We can be more picky, but like there are steps to this You can't skip step one two and three to get step five so I think that's a really big thing and you know, I think That's why we're still here is because we started slow made our consistent gains and then allowed us later to Take these kind of opportunities that come now. So Yeah, you know, and that I guess the we can go into the last question here, which is How close have you ever been to quitting trading? And if so, you know, kind of what did you do about it? Or if not, you know, kind of talk about that Yeah, I think for me There was never a point where I was like, oh, I want to quit. There have just been bad days and You have that with everything, right? You know, so for me It's just like if I have a bad day, you know, I'm just going to probably drink about it No, like I'll just chill have a drink and then I'll come back stronger than next day And that's just kind of what you've got to do, you know It's like we are going to war every single fucking day and there's going to be days where you're fucking shot at There's going to be days where you get fucking wounded But you've got to go back you got to stitch yourself the fuck up and go the fuck back out there And that's it, you know, if if if you are like Like to me, it's just quitting wasn't an option So it's like Yeah, you know, I don't I don't really have that luxury of me saying Oh, well, I'm gonna go back to another job here. Like You know, I there's no way like if they're yeah, it's just not an option for me But if it is the thing is is that there's probably a bunch of guys They all have degrees. They all have a bunch of fucking work experience, you know If trading doesn't work out, they can always go back to their old job. It's fine. No harm. No foul for someone like me. It's like I'm so young where trading has been my entire life trading has like Trading was there, you know, when I was in fucking high school for me So for someone like me, it's like I'm I don't have that. Oh, I'm going back to my regular job like For the most part, this has been the only adult job that I've ever fucking had You know, like that's just it like I'm so like I'm fucking 23 I started this shit when I was like, what 17 And so this has really been the only adult job that I've had making real fucking money So it's like I would never do anything else, you know Yeah, no, I I think that makes sense and like I guess I was like For me, it was like, I've just always known this is what I want to do even since I was a kind of younger And you know, for me, the reality was it just I've never once woken up and been like, I don't want to do this I don't as I remember after when I was first growing my account. I like scout my way I grew my account over PDT and yeah, you know, I was doing really well and I remember I the biggest loss I took was really early on is when I took I took like a $4,000 loss, right? And it was like just when I was like hitting this big stride And it the feeling in my stomach was awful. Like everything was terrible. I went to bed I woke up. I got right to the computer and it was like I didn't think once like I need to quit I can't do this Yeah, and I think I think if you have that mentality Then trading might not be for you because you're gonna have Those moments where like you're gonna take a hit You're gonna take a big hit and you're gonna sit there and like have to reason with yourself And the reality is anyone who makes it in trading are in my opinion, they're hustlers and then they're very very driven um, and those people, you know, you just kind of you've got to fight through that feeling because It's not going to go away really like that that maybe that's self-doubt or that like that stress if you're one of those people Um, and you're gonna have to find ways to cope with it, you know And just either you're you have that feeling or not and like I just Harry and I are similar. We just don't so Yeah, yeah, I think that's pretty good, but I think that's pretty much it. Yeah, that's it. I mean guys reality is You know trading is what you make of it the harder the harder you work The more you put into it the more confident you are on yourself and the better you do it's gonna show in your results Um, you take it slow. It's one step at a time and you'll kind of end up kind of finding your own path So, you know, I hope you guys enjoy these podcasts, you know, honestly every week We're looking for new anything you want to hear like please do let us know We'll have alex back on too. We talked more macro stuff, but we love talking about small caps So just let us know if there's anything you're interested in you can dm me you can dm harry Uh, and yeah, and we'll try to incorporate it. So perfect. Yeah, thanks everyone