 And a lot of times the people who are victims of this type of spiritual manipulation of sheikhs in spiritual groups, whether it's in a Tariqa or outside of it, are very learned individuals. People who teach fiqh, people who teach tafsir have studied 10-15 years and they're the ones manipulated by one spiritual sheikh. And I get a lot of outreach by such figures. And their embarrassment is very different because they say, we've taught against this. You know, we used to teach people that the first thing in sharia in Tassawuf is you have to follow the sharia, that Tariqa doesn't exist outside of sharia. These were people who publicly taught this and they still fell for it when it happened to them. And the shame and embarrassment those individuals feel, it's just very hard to express. I mean, sometimes they'll call just to scold themselves to me. And again, this isn't going to necessarily be public because of the shame attached to it.