 Good afternoon and welcome to all of our students, our faculty, staff, members of the extended community, our President Donald Barish and his wife Maya, and of course our esteemed guest, John Hayes and White Junior. Where are you, John? There you are. I have to make eye contact with you. Accompanying him are two of his members of the TECO team, Cheryl Malillo and Vaughan Bonilla. I thought I saw them come in there. They are. Hi. I'm Betsy Peckler and I'm the interim dean of the library and along with Professor Adam Braver, who's right here, our writer-in-residence, we are happy to see so many of you here at this first lecture of the fall talking in the library series. This is the inaugural lecture. This is the inaugural lecture in our newly renovated Mary Tepwai Cultural Center. For our upcoming fall lectures, please refer to the sheet that's on your chair. Mary Happy White, as she was fondly known, was a proud alumna of the university who visited the campus often with her son, Johnny. She truly enjoyed speaking with students and staff and had an engaging and genuine interest in people's stories. It was her generous endowed gift to the Roger Williams Library over a decade ago that made both the space and the lecture series possible. She hoped that by introducing our students to accomplished individuals who could share their professional and their personal stories, our students would be inspired and motivated in their search for their own careers. The Mary Tepwai Cultural Center has really been the heart of cultural outreach to the university community for over 10 years. The center has hosted nearly 450 presentations, which is close to 40 programs per month, including many author readings, lectures from visiting scholars, student and faculty displays of work, and community gatherings. We are so grateful to John Hayes and White Jr. for continuing his mother's legacy by supporting the transformation of this cultural center into a new instant theater through the addition of technology that supports presentation and collaboration in a room that can quickly turn from a large presentation space like this to student collaboration space with smaller tables. We have about six or seven different layouts that this room can accommodate. It is our nexus for engagement with the broader public through speaker series, collaborative learning projects, technology demonstrations, and access to information about digital archives and resources. If you have any questions about the technology after this presentation, our videographer back there, Joe Auger, is happy to answer any of your questions. So now without further ado, it is my great pleasure to introduce President Donald Parish. Thank you very much. It's my pleasure to welcome you all here today. Thanks so much for coming. John Hayes and White and his group from TACO, we're very happy to have you here. In fact, if you hadn't come, John, we wouldn't really have a reason for being here today, but we might want to come just to enjoy the room and kind of hang out. What is interesting about where we are today, I mean physically here in the library, is that the library is going through the same type of revolution that we talk about with Roger's revolution. It's no longer a place where books are housed quietly and where no one raises his voice and no one has anything to eat. The library that I remember from my youth, the idea of a conversation in the library would be really, because you're never supposed to make any noise in the library. And goodness knows if you ever spilled anything on a textbook or any kind of reading material, the library gods would come out and just devour you. So it is interesting to see how a library becomes what we now are calling a learning commons. It's a much more up-to-date idea that information is accessed not just from books on shelves, but from the multimedia world in which we now live. Everything with it is online that we can access from a library, and the size of the book collection no longer limits the size of the library in any functional way. And the result of all these changes has been an increased use of the library now that it is a learning commons. And I think this particular room really epitomizes all of that. I remember when I first came, and the Mary Tuff White room was here, and I kept wondering whether there's no back wall on the room. It's just sort of open to the library, and surely the conversations must interfere with the work that the students are doing. We're now in a position where, as you can see today, this all but invisible glass wall allows multiple functions to be going on at one time. So the people just beyond the wall are easily working away, or doing whatever it is that students do these days, but in any case, we're not bothering them, so they're not bothering us. So this room, updated as it is through additional philanthropy from the White family, really brings the original vision full force because now it's not just a room. These television screens that you see around you here, and one that descends from behind me, allow tremendous functionality to take place that is beyond anything that would have been possible just a few years ago. So it's a very up-to-date place. And when we talk about intersecting with the community, this is the family, the living room, if you will, of this campus. This is where a lot of the conversations are going to go on that allow us to connect with the broader community, which we've said is central to our new concept of a campus that is responsive to the community. We talk about the mission of the institution, its core purpose as strengthening societies to engage teaching and learning. This is the kind of place where that happens. We talk about building the universe that the world needs now. This is the library the world needs now. It's no longer, as I say, a library, it's a learning commons. And what better way to kick this first session off with our newly completed room than to bring back our benefactor, our friend John Hayes and White. But my job is not to introduce him. My job is to introduce the person who will introduce him. Because by the time we're done, everyone will have a speaking role. And we'll have no time left for Mr. White. But seriously, my pleasant task is that it is one of our most dynamic members of our Board of Trustees, a woman freshly back from the Dominican Republic. Well, I won't say what happened down there, but it's good. It's good stuff. And so I would ask Arlene Violet to step to the podium. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome and a special welcome to Betsy White-John's wife, who is a philanthropist in her own right. And it's such a pleasure to have you here. So thanks for joining us this afternoon. So as you've heard, ten years ago, a most wonderful woman, who I had the privilege of knowing, Mary Teft White, endowed this lecture series right here at Roger Williams University. She wanted speakers to come to this campus and provoke thought by challenging expectations. She wanted the speakers to encourage the students to understand that there are times in their lives when they should color outside the lines. She knew that you don't live life according to a formula and that you don't go from point A to point B in a straight line all the time. And as a matter of fact, if you're really living life, you get to know that there are events in your life when you really just end up scribbling your chapters of your life. So this wonderful artist and philanthropist and mother would be so pleased today to know that her legacy not only lives on this campus, but also in her son. How very apt it is that he kicks off this tenth year of her series because John Hazen White, Jr. personifies the very values she hoped that this Roger Williams University community would cherish. Now John Hazen White, Jr. heads TACO, a Rhode Island-based international business. And for 80 years, he and his father before him, another fabulous man, persevered here in Rhode Island in good times and in bad. And John invests in his employees. He actually makes available to them classes during work time right there in his place of business. Every summer he pays for the children to go to camp for a couple of weeks. Where not only do they learn about sports, but they learn about the arts. They learn about teamwork. And together he and his work is understand that they are part of a local and a global community. They are people who forge partnerships with those of shared values and product quality. But you know, commitment to his work is and quality of his work are only two facets of this man's life. John Hazen White, Jr. personifies the very best of the world corporate citizen. In some ways he was the embodiment of Roger's revolution before it even came to this campus. He's a true Renaissance man, a patron of the arts himself, a philanthropist whose foundation supports causes from health care to social justice and to education and puts dollars right here into Roger Williams University. The thing I love most about John Hazen White, Jr. is he speaks truth to power. He challenges politicians to do the right thing for his citizens. His platform, look out! Play on words, addresses public corruption and social policy. And you know, he's a man of courage who leads the way, even though there may be backlashes from those people in power whom he challenges to do the right thing. And as you will notice when he talks, believe it or not, you know, he's really quite humble and he's not full of himself despite his accomplishments. So by now I'm sure you have deduced that he is one of my favorite people who walk on this terra firma. And by the way, he probably will soon be one of yours as well. So I give you entrepreneur, leader and merry, tough son, John Hazen White, Jr. Thank you very much. You've made my life seem so complicated. I don't know what to do. It's great to be here. How many are students? Very cool. Okay. How many are not students? Really very cool. I would make this comment to start with. The best that I can offer to you in this short time, and you're right. I think I need to talk like the FedEx guy. Remember that? The ad for the FedEx. I would be to share with you what you would like to share as opposed to hearing me just speak. So I thought I might make a few comments and then hope for some questions to share. The subject put forth to me was multi-education, business, how those two tie together, how they tie together in my own career. And by the way, I'm so glad that you were able to get here. And some of my dearest friends have made such an effort to come and share this time. And it just means so much to me to be able to do that. I'll talk about that later a little bit. Education, business, how those two relate to my career, maybe. And leadership, and philanthropy, and civic mindedness, and how all those tie together. I guess those, well, first of all, there's some assumptions in all of that. The first two assumptions that jump out at me are that somewhere there's somebody here actually thinks I'm a good businessman. And somebody here actually thinks I'm a leader. I don't look at myself in those terms at all. And I'll tell you why. First of all, if I thought I was a leader, I'd be working too hard at that. I think somebody's either a leader or they're not, and that's natural and they're not learned. So if one is a leader, great, let them lead. On the business side, well, I have to tell you something. I was thinking about this this morning. I have got to be one of the most, and I don't like to use the word lucky. So, I'm not going to fight or love her. But I've got to be truly one of the, and I don't like the word lucky because I don't think it's appropriate. At least in my case, I'm fortunate. I'm very fortunate. I consider myself to be as fortunate as anybody I ever knew. And you know why? It's not because of success or money or anything else. It's because I love every minute of my life. By the way, I have to also say that to be giving this talk, which I want to minimize, but to be here in this place named after Happy White who was really throughout my life, my very best friend and a wonderful person is a great, great honor. And to be in your place of education is really special. This place did mean a lot to her. We graduated, she graduated from here the same year I graduated from high school. So she went back later in life. But anyway, I feel so blessed to, because I just enjoy life. And so I was provided a wonderful opportunity. Not given a lot, but provided wonderful opportunities. Through which I've been able to build a really decent life, good life. And it started with a good education. And I was able to go to, of course times are different, but I was able to go to a great liberal arts school in the College of Worcester in Ohio and major in English and writing, reading, thinking, debating and learning with no real plan. And after I graduated, I never went to business school. So I have no business education. Probably took a little course along the way somewhere, but no real education. But what I did achieve was the ability to learn. And it's something I'm trying to communicate here. How many people are doing a liberal arts education? Nobody here. What is your major? So the philosophy part of that, criminal justice part too I guess, creates the need for a lot of thought. That's a good thing. But anyway, so I came away from school with an English education and I guess a lot of extracurricular activities while I was there, which did not involve books or studying. One of which was my wife. So went on to work a few years in California for another company for Carolinas for a few years and work for some other people. But I had been at TACO since I was in high school in the factory. So I'd grown up in that environment. I'd grown up loving the place. So I ended up back there in the mid-80s sometime and was put into a rather uniquely created sales department. New little sales department. What in fact was a way to put me somewhere where I was out of trouble. There was nobody knew quite what to do with me. The reason was because I think I was, I really don't think I know I was considered at the time to be perhaps the least likely ever to succeed. Understandably. I thought I was going to be at least likely to succeed too. But we had a chance to build something very good and it's interesting what Success does. I had this little sales division which now is one of our largest, which Liz and I actually started sort of in our dining room, figured out how to do and went on to become a tremendous part of the company. And remember, with no business education. And as time went on, I ended up in another job, which was as the general foreman in the factory, which was perhaps the most valuable experience I ever had in my life. Not a manufacturing guy either. But that was thrust into this because we were having some union agitation at the time and somebody thought I would be the appropriate person to go love the people, which I thought was, you know, that sort of was in my area of like. So that was a successful five or six years, which I learned many life lessons. The most important of which, when you really don't know something, go to the people that do. So I developed a, and we had to fix a lot of things. While I was in the factory, there was a lot of things we undertook to make better and to fix. And one of the things I learned was that people by and large, and I would say this about everybody in this room, people by and large have forgotten more about what they do than the rest of us will ever know. And so from that, I drew some experiences which led me to pull more people with me. And it was interesting because as time went on, I had such an under swell of support. As I moved on into the company, in time, I had people wanting me to succeed. I had a guy one time tell me, he said you're in an interesting position because if you succeed, you will have a huge chairing section. And if you fail, you will have a huge chairing section. And guess what? They're all the same people. So it was important for me to learn to build relationships. And all I'm saying is that as I've gotten to where I am now, it's all been built on people. People are the most important thing in the world. One of my favorite things to talk about when I'm with groups of people is that I consider, as I think about life, I have to understand I'm 57, so I'm getting old. I consider that to be like the back, you know, six, something like that. But with my lifestyle, perhaps, I hope we're no holes in one. But I've come to consider the fact that the greatest blessing that we're given in this life, and listen to me here, this is, to me it's important, the greatest blessing that we're provided, at least one of them, is the time to share, the time to share with others, no matter who or what or what the subject or how we share, to spend time and listen and hear and learn. You see, everybody in this world has a story. My opinion, 99% of those are a lot more interesting than mine. Whether it's homeless people, people in my factory, people I work for, people I work with, everybody in this room, we had the time, has a story. And they're all interesting, and we learn, we'll be better for it. It's truly one of the things I think about every day, because I love that part of my life. And what that's brought me to is a point in life where I love every minute, just a great thing and a great place to be. But going through all I've gone through to get to where I am, and I grew up under a father who was really tough, a tough guy. Sort of persevered, I came down to, at some point, beginning to believe in myself. And that was made possible by others believing in me. And that was made possible by me believing in them. The big circle. But in the end, I worked for a man, my father, who was loved by many, and very complicated, and perhaps the most difficult human being I've ever known in my life. And Nato was the nicest guy, particularly with me. But together we got through a lot of years, difficult ones, with a great relationship. My gosh, I still miss the guy every day. But it wasn't always easy. I think having been as tough as he was on me, probably made me a better person. I don't know. Probably. And so, at some point, one day he died. And all of a sudden there was nobody for me to ask, excepting myself. I remember that day, and I had to decide if I believed in myself. Would I be better off doing something else? Since I've been doing this for so long and nobody else would probably want me, I thought I had no other skills. I just sort of hung out and saw if it would work out. And it's worked out pretty well. Pretty happy about things. But I had watched him over the years take action in civics. He became somewhat of a watchdog for the public, politically. And I thought made an impact. And after he died, I thought a technology had changed. So the chance to go from his advertising in a newspaper to me being on TV was easy. You have to understand, he used a newspaper which was probably the best way for him to do what he was doing. Me, I love being on TV. I really love that kind of thing. I love people watching me. So I took a TV show and built a brand called Lookout which became focused on issues that I felt were pertinent to the taxpayers. And became a bit of a watchdog myself. Which was a great experience but it taught me the need to stand up as a perceived leader. When you are visible and in front, certain things become expected of you. One of those things is to stand up and to engage. And I did. And I found that to be very rewarding. And to this very day, I don't have a TV show anymore but I still have a column in the paper once in a while. But to this day, I am approached all the time by people who want to know when my TV show is coming back and when I will do more because people will say, you were the voice of the people. And this is an important thing because we need to take that responsibility when we are in that position. Through my parents now, I learned the value of philanthropy which is different than civic discourse, if that's what you call it. Philanthropy is something that's really important because every community has needs. And all the people in the community need different wants, different desires. Some people want to be able to take part in the arts and some people need medical help and some people want to take part in an education program. So to be involved in those things has been very important to us. Those are our education arts and healthcare are the White Family Foundation's primary focus areas. And to be able to take part in these things has been very meaningful because it helps people. And so one of the greatest things about and so I'm trying to connect all these dots in an indirect way but to be able to bring a business forward by utilizing the people in it as a group to be able to take part in the community. However we define our community whether it's our family or our school or our company or our church or our neighborhood or fraternity it doesn't matter whatever our community is we must give back to it. And all through life if you begin you will learn. And as we grow in age and responsibility we'll do more of that but we must we must step up to be engaged. It's so very important. So I would encourage somebody right about now to ask me a question. Oh boy. I'm curious if the person that you the person that you you talked about now philanthropy being a voice for people do you see that in your the younger version of yourself do you look back at the younger version of yourself do you see the germination of that or were these things that came into your life? No. So did everybody hear the question? Did I see a philanthropist in my past basically? No. I actually don't think I did. Because I think as we go through life we're so consumed with the period of life and they're all different. It's like when I go to a restaurant and I see some people with a little kid no offense I go, jeez through that phase well that phase was that phase so you kind of go through and I think this is one I learned through observation there's always people in any community that are that are visible let's go away from the philanthropy thing for a second because that's not something everybody can really engage into to a huge extent all the time and giving is not all about money giving is so much more than money it's time, it's care it can be to my employees who I love with all my heart and soul I don't have to give them a lot of money to have an impact and that impact isn't just on them it's on me it's on you and the community it's on our customers so spending time to give back is just so important but being visible and enjoying that and taking some course of action in society you know has been a result of observation of other people that I watched a lot of you won't know this but we had a great governor a number of years ago Bruce Sunlow do you remember Bruce Sunlow I know what you do right he was a magnificent man and he was talk about courage the guy had it and you watch certain people like that and it makes you kind of realize that that's a good thing to do if you can so no I didn't see any of that as a young man even did we do anything like that that period of our life it's wonderful to hear your story and I'm thinking about it in light of Roger's revolution because you're talking about your own engagement in your community and in some ways it reflects what this institution is trying to do isn't it in the sense that it's trying to to be present in every way in the community and learn from that and share that and grow from that I'm wondering about your own company do you perceive it really from your own perspective or do you have your own company pursuing that philosophy as well oh I that company is all of that that company TACO is all about community growth development I don't care about money in that company I don't care about money but even for the company I go to work every day to perpetuate an environment that 700 people can grow and develop in along with their families because the rest happens believe me good things happen when you do good and I don't mean to say I go there just to sound like I can come back over here and say I did good people their education their families their livelihoods their safety I mean my gosh I have six or seven hundred people now my turnover rate this is a manufacturing company in an industry with an average of 30% turnover rate you know what turnover rate is number of people that come and go ours is less than a half a percent our average employee is one years Jack Welch at General Electric used to say lob off the bottom 10% every year so you can get fresh blood hell that means I don't know I'll take this back so yeah and we grow and get better because we bring the community in and we go out and we share there's so much to share there's so much whether it's with the Grantson Senior Center whatever there's so much to be done and we allow it to your point about the education we go up through an MBA program in House of Taco but the summer camps there's four of them for the children this is just sort of an interesting so you talk about a community right listen to this four summer camps we have two art and music and two oceanography programs that we run with URI with Bob Ballard at the oceanography program so the kids go from 6 years old to 12 in the art and music and then they have to go to oceanography we used to have them all together accepting 6 year olds and 17 year olds it becomes problematic so we created this other camp for 12 to 17 year olds so now 25 years my kids went through this thing and now we have children in the camp of children that were there when my kids went it's very cool I don't know if that answered your question but hell it was a great answer whatever it was first off Mr. Wade I'd like to thank you for your opportunity for your time to be here I am alumni of the Valley School of Business class of 2009 I spent the last 20 years or so in an auditorial role that I've owned and I'm looking to rewrite my story I mean my interest in skills and business skills and knowledge that I've learned and as transitioning over what was your advice what is something that you're transitioning into what from owning a business to using my business skills and professional skills I think that would be that would be a pleasure professional arena meaning as like a and my 20 years of business experience as a professional arena as an officer where you don't have to own it correct oh I think if you've got that experience the only thing you have to do is be careful you don't try to act the way you would have in that environment when you go into no I think that it's going to provide you a chance to mentor to teach to guide and to do all the things you want to do without having to be the one responsible you're always responsible for yourself exactly exactly right just be gentle gentle with people anyone? John I know you say that you having fun every day but obviously you have spoken out on public issues you make politicians very uncomfortable what's your philosophy in terms of handling sometimes the negative feedback because you took a courageous stand on an issue I've learned a great thing about about this and that is that as long as you're honest and you don't personalize you're okay politicians you know we have a state I don't know I think he was a senator he's not anymore but I took this guy on during the casino debate I think we were on different sides I don't remember where you were I was not in favor you know I had him on my show one time and I said what is it like to be so unpopular because he was a great guy and I said what is it like to be so unpopular because he was being rifle shot at by everybody in the public and he said in what way he said all the negative publicity he said Johnny White tell you something don't ever forget no publicity is bad publicity so what I did learn though Arlene was that if I didn't personalize things then people were very willing to talk to me I only had one guy three or four years one guy turned me down on my TV show one guy and he wasn't a particularly high level guy I don't know what his issue was but anyway I never had anybody turn me down so it was because I never picked on them I challenged them the backlash to that stuff you God only knows that's going to come some time anyway from somebody who wants to damage somebody so you might as well give them an excuse I guess but what are you worried about are still aspiring to accomplish is there a dream that you are working towards or looking forward to in the coming years to run for governor maybe like that kind of thing no I'm kidding haha yeah right no no no I'm kidding I'm just I'm really just kidding please believe me I like to make that little joke although you know what I could probably win I really could probably win I don't lose things like that but you know to answer your question in a serious way the answer is yes I do have I do have some hopes some desires and I guess they probably all tie together I don't know I have to think through a really logical answer to the question but I mean you know to watch my boys grow develop I have three by the way one's a little white dog growing and developing two let me tell you but if I could see those boys continue to themselves healthy and perpetuate this business it would be a holy wonderful thing and to do that or to provide that opportunity my objective now is to grow the business again it's we've gone from since I was running it in 92 to now it went from 25 million dollars in sales to 300 million plateau kind of thing so I deemed to myself stale and obstruction so this year we hired a new president to come and take my place and now I can think about things that I'm good at which is visionary at least I say that I said I swore I wouldn't say anything about being a leader yeah y'all came all of this but you know the reason for growth is not for growth sake it's for protection you have the top line of a company doesn't grow you can manage the cost base for a while but then it begins to creep all the wrong and I've been here I began running it this company was broke I've been here it's too painful I'm not going back there ever again so I will grow it the way I want to and in so doing I will protect the core values I will protect that company for the people in it because as I said before I love those people with all my heart and soul and if I sell it they're done if I protect it they're fine and if my boys stay healthy and grow and prosper in the right way and they can lead it forward so that's my dream and to stay in Rhode Island I want to say thank you thank you for your example thank you for the legacy that your dad your mom had started and you had followed through impeccably I was privileged to see firsthand all of that in action I was just so moved by it all to walk through the factory to see the employees just reveling the presence of non-senior I have them greet him and he know them by name to say that simple word sharing it's the greatest lesson of all thank you for the legacy the tradition and for the future going forward so thanks from all of us here at Roger Williams and our community of greater Rhode Island thank you very much yeah he knows all his employees by names, kids, spouses who had a sick child two weeks ago he inquires how did your child do how did Jane, not your child he knows the name he needs to help, etc new model of a CEO right here thank god anyone else? the caring of the people that work there about what they do and you have a very collaborative mood there where everyone is welcome to offer suggestions and I think that's what has kept your manufacturing plant thriving how can we spread that to other manufacturing because I think there's some good work being done around manufacturing in this state that is actually a model that other people are coming from other states to see but it's not enough and with economic development such a big concern how can we encourage and foster some of the best practices that you put into place that have been so successful in the state you know I have been asking myself that question for 20 years and it's really quite distressing to me but you know I think the answer isn't that complicated there's some really smart people here smart people everywhere a lot smarter than me I think part of the problem is a lot of them are educated in business so their head goes to the wrong place sometime I'll tell you a story about that when we created the learning center back in the early 90s it was created for a reason it was created to allow our employees who were sub par on the skill level for some of the investments we began to make the choice was to replace them or to train them Cleveland twist drill left this state brown and sharp went out of business a lot of people were available for us to hire that were technically competent but we didn't really my father's greatest legacy and it really worked very quickly and we quickly saw how when people begin to learn the more they want to learn it's an amazing it's amazing thing about human beings so we grew the thing to the extent that it is now but at some point my father when he was still alive was probably in the early 90s and he went to the chamber of commerce and he said I'd like to offer our facility for you to he said this at breakfast to his peers you are welcome to bring your employees into our learning facility our classrooms zero so then he went back to the same group he said I will pay for the teachers we don't use our in house we use high school and college professors I will pay for the teachers just bring your people zero not one so he went to the next and he said you can have the facility I'll pay for the teachers and I'll pay to transport your people not one but it means but it means that people are willing to incur a cost that they view as a short term cost as opposed to what that does you know in the long term and I will tell you this in terms of the TACO learning center I do not allow will not allow and never have allowed any accounting type to try to I will not allow that thing to be unfortunately everybody in my group has agreed with this allow it to be valued because the minute that happens I will have cheapened it to doing something for my benefit and it's not for my benefit it's for their benefit mine if I take a course but and I never will and by the way there's something different about keeping the company private where to sell it I can guarantee you that would be the first thing to go right up there with the cafeteria just to weigh those things one last question anyone I think what's interesting John is he talks about his workers and obviously he's not an anti-union person at all however his work is so satisfied you know that one half of one percent turnover they don't want to go any other place getting education they get credits toward degrees they learn how to do very complicated issues as the technology changes etc and they know he's going to back them up because he isn't going to sell his business he wants them to learn etc and you can see the synergy the relationship is fabulous and that's why I call you a Renaissance man because you really do have a wonderful model as a businessman business person that people are anti-union alright well thank you thank you very much thank you very much I would just circle back to actually I'm beginning to enjoy this but the my point about sharing time please remember that because it's the most important thing we can do we can so learn and develop ourselves to be better people if we understand other people and other things so I would really encourage this has been a great time I appreciate the opportunity to be here I hope this is what you wanted I never know what I'm getting into when I get into but I hope it's what you wanted and it's just been a great time thank you so very much thank you John so we would like you please to enjoy all the refreshments that are here so they don't have to recycle them for breakfast tomorrow to the students and just to remind you that the Mary Tep White lecture series continues most of the time of course it's in this venue but the upcoming one October 7th is at a place that we love the Rogers Free Library a little sister library right over here on Hope Street on Island and Jim Shepard who's just a fabulous author will be doing a presentation there at 7 p.m. so we hope you'll continue to attend Mary Tep White's lectures we hope you will enjoy all that wonderful food back there and again thanks so much for coming on on a rainy day to here La Man, thank you