 Why 254. Imagine. You'll be hearing from them in a bed and of course the chief guest today is none other than Josephine Kulair. You might have heard her when the U.S. President Barack Obama mentioned her on his state visit to Kenya in 2015 on the work that she does and she'll be mentioning to us and telling us what she does. So make some noise for Josephine Kulair. So welcome to the part. You can go to social media handles at Y254 on page book. You'll find some posts there concerning today's show and I want you to tell me what you think about today's show, where you're watching from and what you think about what Josephine Kulair will be mentioning or be sharing with us and also about the performance of one accord, what they'll be mentioning, not mentioning, what they'll be singing, what they'll be performing. And I'll be having a conversation with the three people mentioned in the Bible, Shadrach, and Abednego. You'll be hearing from them. They are members of the band and they will be having a conversation with them. You know, there have been some stories over the week that have touched me and especially Levis. If you have heard the story about Levis or Tiena from Rongo, who reported to Form One with only two bars of soap, zero school fees and nothing else. And people came up, Jalango came up and said he's going to pay the school fees and another supermarket came and said they're going to do something for him and people have come up to step up for love and that is absolutely a beautiful thing. On the other hand, we have heard other news. We have heard the problem of locust. I don't know if they have reached your place and if they have done, eat them. That's the only way to eradicate them, eat them. Stop taking pictures, just eat them. That's the way to deal with this thing. And we hope the new CS Munya will do a better job on concerning that. Still, there are those who we are still having the conversation of people like Muguna Muguna, by the way, what is baptismo name? Muguna, what is his first name? I think it's Muguna. He's still having trouble with the government. Those stories are still happening. And of course, there have been other issues concerning especially the cabinet reshuffle and all the political issues around that. Are they signs of hope? Are they signs of the same people being recycled? We don't know. It's up to you to make your own conclusion about that particular issue. At the same time today we are talking about Josephine Kulea. And as I mentioned too, Josephine Kulea does a lot. She'll be mentioning to us what she does. She's a children rights activist. She'll be telling us what she talks about. But one thing that inspires me about her is that you can do something for the community in spite of the status of your economy or the money you've got or even the education you have. You can start doing something for the people in your immediate community. And that's what she has been doing for girls and she'll be telling us how long she's been doing that and when. So I encourage you, one of the ways that you can increase your own happiness instead of just staying and complaining about the situation you're in is getting out of your comfort zone and volunteering and community engagement and trying to do in your neighborhood, in your youth groups, in the church or the places where you worship, you can try to see what you can do to create a change in your community. And you'll be hearing how you can do that by listening to the story of Josephine Kulea. Anyways, go back to our Facebook page, Y254Channel, and tell us where you're watching from, what you think about Of One Accord, about the conversations we'll be having with Josephine Kulea. Even you can shout out to the audience from Nibs Technical University as we continue this conversation. Right now, I want you to enjoy one piece of One Accord and then I'll be having a conversation with them later. So Of One Accord will take us through during this first performance. Go for it. I give this name, he gives this memory. You come back here, you'll water it. Hey, give a swan, as one people with one saviour. A swan will win the nation, put nation, hey. Love makes the world go round. That's beautiful. That's a great message. I love that. What instrument have you swallowed? I want to know. Just the guy in the middle. That was good. Where is Shadrak? Just take the mic, hold the mic. So Shadrak, tell us a little bit about Of One Accord. We have a very long story, so I don't know where to start. At least when did you start? When did you start as a unit? This is a group that started around 10 years ago. 10 years ago? I said from high school, I'm not one of the founders, but they're here. There's Dennis, then there's Eric. I started in high school. Could you introduce them by the first names? This is Dennis Maranga. Dennis? Yes, and this is Eric. So Dennis and Eric are the founders? Yes. Okay, then go on. Then this is Mike Colotiano. Mike? Yes. Then we have Gideon Obuya. Gideon? Then we have Sam Ikenga. Here's an Aka, almost confused me. Then we have Nation Agua. Nation? Nation. Yes. So when you say you started in high school, does it mean you're in the same high school? No, really. I don't know. One, two, and there's another one in Kisumu right now, in one high school, Karura. Karura is there. It started just as a... You see when you start singing, we're just making jokes when you sing in church and after that, they realize that ah, the kumbu guys you can sing and can sing something that has some content in it. And in it, that is how we... That is how they just saw that there's something in this singing that we can, at least we can take it to the next level. Absolutely. And that is preaching the word of God, preaching the love of God. That was our key role and still is. So the main purpose of one accord is preaching God's love so that guys, so that people in the world can come back to God, can realize that kumbu God is love and he can do great things. You guys have a great message and you have great voices. Make some noise for these people. So I'll be talking to you more in your second piece. So welcome to the show and that is absolutely amazing. We are loving it. Thank you. So ladies and gentlemen, I hope you're enjoying one accord's music that was amazing. The singing about love and how love is important to make the world go round and about the importance of getting back to God as they mentioned to us as they shared with us. As I've told you today, we're having a conversation about being at the service of love and my guest today is Josephine. Doctor, I have to... I missed that. Doctor Josephine Kulair. Doctor Josephine Kulair. I mentioned to you she's a child rights activist. She'll be telling us more about herself. Right now before we go into the... we go into the interview itself, I want you to watch this small clip of what the former U.S. President Barack Obama on his state visit to Kenya in 2015 said about her. So it's a one minute clip on... you can watch so that you continue the conversation hereafter. Leadership that we need. I'm hopeful because of a young woman named Josephine Kulair. So Josephine founded Samburu Girls Foundation and she's already helped to rescue over a thousand girls from abuse enforced marriage and helped place them in schools. A member of the Samburu tribe herself, she's personally planned rescue missions to help girls as young as six years old. And she... Okay, so just that small clip tells you about my guest today. That she has done so much that she has been recognized all the way as the U.S. President and I want us to have that conversation. I'll be telling you how many awards she has. I think they have listed them here. They are like 10 or something. I'll be reading them out to you. But anyway, welcome to the show first of all. How are you enjoying this? Did you enjoy the one? Oh yes, I was drifted to sleep. Yes, I asked you to do something and then you forgot because you're listening to the... No, you know Barack Obama. I do. He stopped your king. Even the wife, Michelle. So you're not even going to be humble about this? You don't only know Barack Obama, you also know the wife. I know the wife. And the two kids? Not really. You've not met the two kids, but you know at least the couple, ha? Yes, I met the couple at Washington D.C. and went for a young leaders for Amnesty. Oh, the Yali. Yes, you were the pioneer class of 2014. So before 2015 you had not actually... We met in 2014 in Washington D.C. So 2015 was him just coming to tell you guys I also know Josephine. I've met her, yes. Congratulations. It's nice. You'll be telling us a little bit about that. Now, you are a child activist. Right? And a child activist in... Where first of all? First of all, where? And then you talk about exactly what you do. Yes. So I come from Samburu County. Ah, Suba. Suba Uleng. Suba Uleng. Okay. Aha, from Samburu? Yes. So Samburu is a community. It's also a county. Because many people every time I say I'm from Samburu and they are like, is that a place or the people? I'm like it's both. So it's Samburu County. It's a place and it's a people. It's a place and it's a people. We are also mass speakers. We are three mass speaker community, speaking communities in this country. That's the Masai, the Samburu and the Jemps in Bahrain. Jemps. Jemps. Jemps. Jemps. So what you're saying is Masai is not a language. Masai is a community. Ma is the language. So the Masai speak Ma. Yes. Masai speak Ma. Samburu speak Ma. Then the Jemps speak Ma. And I thought here I'm a Kenyan. Okay. So the Samburu, the Masai and the Jemps. Yes, Jemps. They are the ones who speak Ma. You come from the Samburu community of the three. And from the Samburu community we are in the northern part of the country. Yes. Now, what has put you in prominence, in wild prominence is what you have done over years and that is child activism. And you have been fighting FGM, you have been rescuing girls from early marriages and you have been rescuing girls who have been bidded. Right? And that's what you do. Could you tell us more about this and especially what bidding is all about? Yes. So Samburu Girls Foundation is an NGO. We are based in Samburu. We rescue girls, as you rightly said, from child marriage. When I say child, it's children literally. We have girls between the ages of 8 to 12 years who are the majority who get married at that age. Post there? Yes. A girl between 8 to 12 is married? Yes. Okay. So we get them out of that and then roll them to schools. And in the Samburu community, FGM is also done on the day of the wedding. So most girls are cut on their wedding day and FGM is 86 percent in Samburu community. We are the second highest in Kenya after the Somalis and that goes hand in hand with child marriage. If the girls are cut on the day of the wedding then that's what happens. So basically it's... It's a child abuse but also it's cultural because we are community practices because it's part of our culture because even the older men explain it as we found it being done. We are still doing it. But now with the laws, the laws in Kenya against that. So we are trying to educate them that the children, marriage of children below 18 years and also cutting of the girls is not allowed anymore by the law so we need to stop. So we create awareness and also try to protect the girls. So that issue becomes bidding. Bidding comes from the word beads and that is where the girls who are not going to school who are also many are not... We are 78 percent illiterate as a county so we have children, mostly girls who are not going to school are bought beads and in some parts of Samburu, the morants, we have the morants there called these are young men. Boys are circumcised at around 15 then they will have 10 to 15 years of being a youth then they will start marrying maybe from 25 or 30 years. So they are circumcised this is something fascinating. So the boys are circumcised at 15 but the girls are circumcised between the age of 8 and 12. Girls are circumcised anytime they are getting married. A good number of these are getting married 8 and 12. 8 to 15 also are there. And the boys will wait until they finish their moran hood so that they graduate to become men and that's when they are allowed to marry. Which is about a decade later around 10 years to 15. 10 years depending on the age group. So what happens is those morants some of them who are not of course a few go to school most are not going to school so some of those who are not going to school are allowed to buy beads and they put it around the girl's neck and in exchange for sex and it's official. And the community knows that and accepts that. Yes. So the girl ends up getting pregnant and some of these children are not wanted actually all children out of that union are not wanted the union is official but the children are not wanted. So the girls end up going through crude abortions or sometimes they wait for them to give birth they kill the children. So we also rescue this kind of girls either before they get pregnant or during pregnancy or when they are given birth so that the babies are not killed. Oh wow. Yes. So wait this is so beading is like booking a girl for sexual purposes. Yes not for marriage. Not for marriage. This guy will not marry this girl because now because there will be there will be it's like dating within your clan and you're not allowed to marry a girl from your clan and at the end of the day you will marry from another clan. So this girl can be married by another guy but you cannot marry her. You cannot marry her even though you have been having sexual intercourse with her for 15 years. Yes. Which is not even possible because you will be married any minute. Oh wow. And if she gets pregnant she is forced to have Yes. the babies not wanted. to have an abortion and if she gets the kid the children are you know wanted in the community. Yes. Okay that is insane. I have to say. Yes. So you want to rescue this girl. We take them out of that situation we put them in we have a rescue center in a place called Losuq. It's like half an hour drive from Maralal Town which is the head quote of the county and we house them there feed them, clothe them take care of their health and all of them to schools and so far we've rescued 1,200 girls 1,200. and we are directly supporting 400. Thank you man. Good for you. 1,200 girls. Yes. and we are currently educating 441 from preschool to high to university levels. And what you have done together with your team is to get sponsorship for all these people. Yes. So you have taken you said 441. 441. Fun 421. Yes. And you are going to ensure that they educated all from primary school to high school. to university. Yes. Oh wow. Come on. Come on. That's it right now as we speak we have 15 girls joining from one so my team is busy and rolling them this week. Oh wow. That's brilliant. Yes. Did you yourself I have to ask you this did you yourself experience any of the three that we said the three FGM, early child marriage and what did you call bidding or bidding? Yes. So all girls who go to school do not experience bidding because classroom is like a safe environment. Yes. So if you are not in school is when you get to be dead but I went through FGM because even during our time there were no laws to protect us from FGM. FGM laws are just yesterday 2012. And FGM laws were passed though it was in the children arts of 2001 but no one had noticed because it's hidden in the writings but I went through FGM I also got married young so I am a mother of two from that particular situation? No, but I am a proud mother of a boy and a girl so basically what I say is my experience made me learn that it's wrong to marry children it's wrong to take girls to FGM because it's not beneficial and when the laws were passed I think I got the strength to fight for the girls in my community because I believe if a community understands that it's wrong to cut the girls then they will get it that the laws were passed to protect the children and that means they should just let the girls be so that's the message you are trying to pass across and trying to show them that these girls can still get married without being cut and the girls can get whatever because they have this belief that if you are not cut you will not get a husband so they don't even need to be married among the Samurus they can be married elsewhere so we are just trying to bring awareness among the communities and of course promoting education because education is our biggest program where we want to use education as a tool to change the attitudes of the community towards girls and the work is said you said it's 78% illiterate yes, it's 78% illiterate the whole county the whole county is 78% illiterate that means 78 people cannot read or write yes it's a huge number yes, it's huge so your work is cut for you well, it's a lot but we are trying you are doing amazing work already so that's absolutely amazing one of the things you say is that your mum inspired you in what you do how did she inspire you to do this? so when I was growing up I grew up in a typical village my first classroom was under a tree and my mum was the most learned woman in the village because she went up to Form 2 and was taken out of school to be married by my dad as a third wife so being the only educated woman in the village she was made a teacher so she was our teacher our nursery school teacher she took me along and we go under that tree and she, you know, we learn and then the next school available was 42 kilometers away and it was a boarding school that was class one so I had to leave every opening and closing I have to walk the 42 kilometers to go to boarding school wait, walk? yes, 42 kilometers it's not far you can walk you are saying it's not far nikari busa nisakauna pitanana ando wivi you just so you take only one hour 59 minutes I think you may have challenged yes, so we loved it we grew up seeing all this wildlife on our way to school and then you just you are taught that when an elephant comes you go to the opposite direction of the wings that doesn't smell you so all kinds of wildlife would meet with them on the road to school you come in all kind of wildlife you meet a lion and you say ok, I'm going to go now yes, and you're like don't as long as you don't disturb them they will not disturb so anyway we enjoyed going to school then there are no matatu then my mum used to like help so many girls go to school from my village so they would come stay in our house and my first rescue case was actually when I was in class 4 is when I left Samburu to go to study in Meru in a boarding school we were being sponsored by the church then Catholic church to go to school because Catholic church was our first government it built schools, hospitals for us so that is how I was even the boarding school I went to being run by a Catholic school and the priest was in charge my classmates in class 4 was getting married and he rescued her and said I need to take this girl away from here so that she's not married off and so they needed someone to accompany and I was able to leave Samburu to Meru to a school called Materi Girls and that's why I went to my class 5 with the other girls and then by class 8 this girl was still married because the priest had left our area then so no one rescued after class 8 because it was that time I got the results so she was unlucky she still got married off after class 8 so I was lucky to go back because my mum fought for me my mum, my dad died when I was in class 6 and my mum refused to be inherited because I said they blessed the man for you so you were literally being inherited by another guest so my mum refused so that she would fight for us and my sisters and so she ensured that I went to high school and I went back to Materi Girls because they still had a very good high school and so while I was there actually when I went there first in class 5 I had a cousin who was bidded now in our village and I kept telling my mum this girl needed to go to school because when I went to Meru my mind was open like why is this community different why are they not marrying off girls why are there so many girls in school here and I kept asking myself so many questions so I actually went home every time I break from school I would go help her to look after cows and goats and I would teach her to read and write and she was very brilliant and I told my mum this girl must go to school and when the school term came they were hesitating they were like what do we tell the moral and I'm like no this girl must go to school she either goes to school or I don't go to school and then they say I'm serious so they cut off the beads but her uniform that girl became the first girl since preschool best girl in her county now in the class 8 and the top 100 students with A that time she was in the newspaper as we speak right now she's a medical doctor she's a medical doctor good for her so I think that childhood passion of seeing girls going to school kept going in me and even I want to I have a medical background and college came back worked for my community in a hospital and I continued rescuing the girls putting them in my house paying them their school fees with my salary actually my other rescue was my own cousin so I had literally started my family tell me how it was getting married I took the girl went to the police I had to wear a combat to disguise myself from my uncles you appealed to them like a soja and my uncle kept saying this at all last time he looked like Josephine because I had to identify the house basically I mean we rescued the girl took her to school one day later I get a phone call there was a wedding at your uncle's but I have the bride who got married they said it was the younger sister who was barely 7 years old because a girl had to go they didn't want to refund the cows but any girl she must be married so they had to take the 7-year-old they took her through FGM and married her so now it was worse because I'm like I have the bigger one small one is gone so we had to go back to the police and rescue the smaller girl so I went back home took her also and we took the girl to school and the girl was arrested unfortunately that is what happens when they do that children but I think it's been difficult for my community to accept that it's illegal so at the beginning they didn't understand because even the old men then who were my uncle's age men had to have a ceremony to cast me because I am doing the wrong things to the community a ceremony to cast you oh yes it was not a laughing matter but later when the girls went to school and now they are almost done with their high school because literally when I took them they had to start preschool again because they have never been to school so the young one is now in form 4 they are both in the same class so when I went back they were celebrating because when they came after Klaze they had to do a blessing ceremony now to remove the cast to remove the cast and to appreciate that I educated their girls and in the larger community that is what has been happening because we've had so many other children that we've rescued from now because I moved from paying the school fees with my own small salary I had to register then Jio just to reach out to more children the Samburu Girls Foundation and to also reach out to the whole community so that's how we were about to come up with the Samburu Girls Foundation to ensure that these girls are safe and they are going to school I think we should give you a round of applause because I mean amazing come on so I'm still curious about some part so in this part when you got married before you went to material or what happened to you as an individual if I may ask or you want us to skip that I'm not going to discuss that part okay okay fine fine fine I'm not going to ask that part yes yes I quite understand that so now one of the things that you went through is the elders cast you and then they bless you now do you find then conditional support so there's been at the beginning there's been lots of resistance because people didn't understand what actually I was driving to but now so many girls going to school and performing we've had girls graduating from cleaning or medicine others are nurses others are now completing the university as I've said so the community have come to appreciate that this thing is helping them is not as they put it like I'm fighting culture because I always tell them that our culture is 99% beautiful but the 1% that is not beautiful is the one that is harming the women and girls so I try to show them through actions because you know sometimes saying is different from seeing when they see now the girls and they are happy and they are talking even about empowering the girls girls football team has been one of the best in the Chapadimba last year they made it up to national levels there was second best in the country oh wow yeah two are picked to go to a trip in Spain we had the best scorer in the country and the best what is it called the best player and the best scorer and the whole Chapadimba so the two of them joined the team that was taken by Safari come to Spain so we also trying to use sports we have na jigs to check in our room so we also want to use sports to like remove the negative energy from the girls and also from the community and see these girls performing and see just build their we have girls we have modeling we have girls we are trying to patch their talents and also show them there is another way to life than just books and if you don't even if you don't do so well there is technical colleges thank God now there is even TV offering partial scholarships so we appreciate because now the support has increased than before and now even relatives especially the mothers are reporting their girls and they are going through issues because they don't want them to go through what they went through the cousins especially the boys I'm so happy the youth are risking their own sisters but now they are going through issues and now they are going through issues so yeah actually that's what I wanted to ask because you said one of the big issues is the morans after the circumcision right and before they they become full morans those years so I was actually wondering what are you doing with these young men so that they understand that what they do is no longer proper so we have an outreach program and we try to reach the community as much as we can but you know in the NGO world everything depends on resources so if I have a little resource sometimes we prioritize the girls' education because you can't go on the community creating awareness while the girls are not going to school so we've been doing also some radio through the local radio we have a local radio called Terian FM and others that not speak the local language but Terian speaks the local language so we use it to air some of these issues and child protection we also get pro bono lawyers we go to them to villages and have meetings with the women and the men and the morans too the younger men and tell them the rights of the children their own rights and how they're supposed to protect children and why the government has said no to these issues just so that they understand because sometimes some of them are arrested and when they go to court they're ignorant about the law and you know what they say ignorance is not defences so basically what we're trying to do is if my wish is only that if there was a civic education of the laws passed in this country to the local levels to the household levels to the villages then the people would understand what's happening but you know Sharia in Apiti Shoa and then it does not get to the grass root and the people do not even get to know it's illegal and the people who are also elected to come and tell people the truth do not tell them because they're fearing they might not be elected if they say no to FGM no to child marriage so we have a battle of law and politics and politics on our side so now the politicians are afraid they might lose their seats if they say no to FGM or no to child marriage but I still feel like as a good leader you must tell the people the truth especially because it's them who went to pass the laws in parliament sure sure wow absolutely amazing I love what you're doing and I'm gonna before I call back the Wanakot Band to sing again after this question you know I want to read about read out some of your awards because of what you've done now I know why you've got this there are so many I want to read out to you I hope you're getting inspired by Josephine Kulea and I want to read out to you her awards she has the Ansang Hero 2011 head of state commendation 2012 now Kovau COVAW what's that coalition of violence against women coalition of violence against women champion 2013 Akumen East Africa fellow 2013 UN person of the year wow 2013 inspiring woman by gender commission of Kenya 2014 young Africa African young African leadership in initiative Washington fellow 2014 spark change maker 2015 vital voices vital voices lead program 2015 African union youth hero 2015 2015 right yes wow have you first of all let us sorry but go na zingin na so we're gonna take a short break right now the lady has so many awards she's doing a lot and she mentioned come from you know the best of background but she's been able to make a huge change and I hope you are getting inspired to look around in your own community in your own place and see what you can do to and commit to something greater than you and bring some change in that world but before we do that let's go back to one accord band and they're going to give us another piece and when we come back I'll be reading out your comments and also taking a few questions from the audience papanama pema namchana kutua beguza falili atajioni thongo dea sasa sikuza kuwuna tuta shangili wenyama wunno papanama pema namchana kutua beguza falili atajioni thongo dea sasa sikuza kuwuna tuta shangili wenyama wunno tuta shangili wenyama wunno tuta shangili wenyama wunno tuta shangili tuta shangili wenyama wunno nama kutua weyani lewa Samprano do you only sing a capella? I only sing a capella but I'm a little bit of some accompaniment but I'm a little bit of some accompaniment but I'm basically a capella but he is the accompaniment he is the accompaniment N economicalku, ya kule ourselves they ask but as man So, when you see challenges like, okay, how do you do, how do you do minis, you know, when a woman approaches somebody like, do you know God? There's that soft voice, that kind of appealing voice, but when a guy tells you like, you know, do you know God? You'll be like, oh yeah, Buddha, niaje, you see, there's that. A bit of suspicion. Yeah, something of that sort, but we pray for the grace of God to always be with us when you preach them, when you go out for ministry and God has never let us down. Powerful. Powerful. You're witnessing and I think that's the most important thing and you're witnessing with your voices and that is, we are enjoying, you're enjoying what you do and congratulations, right? So, very good. So, we continue with these on the final segment. We'll be coming back to one of one accord. They have told us when you're mavuno tutawashangilia. So, make sure that you have mavuno at the very end of times. And let me see if there's some few comments here where you're watching from, okay? Let me see, okay. So, we've got. You always comment. I like Moryu. Wow, what a lively interaction. It's more than a testimony. May they all much shower her with favor and grace. Ask her how we can partner with her or support her program. Okay, it's a good question. How can people support your program? Shout out to Nibs. Yes, sir. Especially James, Eliza, Jeff, Milka and Julia. All right. Then, Kamuana, Kamuobasa. Watching from Mombasani, Tjekob, Tjekob from Nakuru Watching. Kamuana, Kamuobasa, Pia watching Shoeiko Ju from Nyeri Watching. That is where Paul. Wana and say, as usual, you're watching, okay? So, keep those comments coming that you still got. We'd like to read them out as the show goes on. All right. So, we've got, there are two questions. Before we go to the questions, there is, you said you have a few more, you know? A few more degrees, not degrees. First of all, you have a doctorate from St. Paul's, okay? And some awards you said. Some awards that I didn't list here. Tell me more, tell me more. I'm jealous. Where did you reach? I reached the African Union Youth, it should be heroine, 2015, but okay? Okay. 2016, I had an order, I don't remember which one you wrote. There are too many, you have forgotten. But 2017, I had a humanitarian award from the Wellness for Women and Children. And then 2018, I had, you know, it's called Voice for Girls from Unenjoyed Canada. It's called Giants of Africa. And then 2019, what did I have last year? I had something that I don't remember. Don't worry, yeah. So it's been a blessing, but a challenge is that all my awards have been non-monetary awards. And I think I told my colleagues, you know what, if you get an email saying I've been nominated, tell them if it has no monetary value for those girls, I don't want you to give it to other people. So I'm tired of receiving awards. It's like people are telling me, good job, good bye. Bring them to me, okay. So I think, there's one you didn't mention, I got an HSE from Kibaki when he was in 2012. And it's encouraging to see when the government appreciates your efforts because one of my biggest challenges is fights from the politicians in my county, especially the women politicians. Wait, what? Oh yes. I have challenges because as I mentioned earlier, the politicians don't want to talk about this thing and they don't want to tell the community the truth. So they literally support these things by either not talking about them or encouraging the community to continue doing it. And it's very frustrating because these are the same people who are supposed to be telling them. The monies that come through these leadership offices should be supporting these girls, but they do not. So it's a challenge because we are trying as an organization to show the community the right way, but the people who they elected to lead them are showing them the wrong way. So it's been really, what can I call it, a setback for women like us who see opportunity in those leadership offices for these girls, but these same leaders don't see how they can support these children or they literally try to turn the community against the work that we are doing. It's actually sad when you say it's actually women holding these things. Let's take two questions. We're going to take two questions from the audience. Let's start with the lady and then we go to the gentleman. Okay, my name is Mel Kamaena from Nips College. My question to Jeswin is, what's your assigned household beside the protecting of the saboor girls from FGM? And how are you able to cope up with the challenges that you face from your community? Perfect. So the next question. So I'm from Nips. First I'd like to congratulate you and actually you are going far by God's grace because I think you are doing even more than ministry and I know that God is going to take you to places. So my question to you is, where do we expect you in the next coming 10 years to and the saboor count, as you know the saboor is back loud. So because some people get to a point that they try to venture into politics so that they can get to her chances. Are you also going to venture into politics? Yes. Fantastic. Okay, so thank you so much. So Saidhazani Ghani by the way on a CD. You said you have a medical background, right? That's what you said. But I can't work in a day, 8 to 5 jobs for anyone because my work is full type. And so I literally am fully dedicated to the organization. I'm the founder, I'm the director and I can't lead a team by being away, doing other Hassai Dassos. But I do a lot of speaking engagements both nationally and internationally mostly. So I get paid to go speak to people and inspire them the way I've done today. Yes, and you've done a good job. But we are not paying you. I'm waiting for my check. Sorry. So I get, we get also a lot of support from people who just, you know, work up and say I want to support 10 girls, I want to take 5 girls, I want to take one girl, even Kenyans. And we appreciate them a lot because those girls, it's the support that we get even from individuals that goes further than those that we write proposals for. And it's tough to be lend you world because you're computing for funds from bigger NGOs. Like we have international NGOs even working in this country. And they consider us local NGOs. Literally CBOs, they even call us CBOs. So the money goes to the bigger NGOs because they have the bigger names. But sometimes if you compare the work that we do, we are doing bigger work. So I think for me, I'll just tell the young people, it's not always also about the money. It's when God calls you to do something, you do it. I've tried. Sometimes those girls do not have food. I want to run. I want to block the organization until everyone disappear. Go to your villages and get married. You know, it's frustrating, yeah. But then every time I say that and I get a message, till there's a girl who's getting married, I'm like wah! So I think it's just a calling because sometimes you want to give up because there's no resources. But then when you remember and you see these other younger ones, they are smiling and those who have succeeded, you just get encouraged to keep going. So I'll tell the young people, it's not always about the money. You can do a lot of community work without actually having funds. Because I remember when I was a student, I used to volunteer a lot in schools. Literally from primary, secondary, I used to volunteer in the church to go to teach in schools. And I've never lacked because at the end of the day, some of the organizations, and this is for the young people, they create voluntary opportunities and when jobs are opened, they give the people who are within the voluntary space because they've understood the system. But most of our young people nowadays don't want to go and volunteer. They just like, okay, so you just come and go. Then we see how we are going to enumerate you. But they are putting money first. So for me, I would say do not put the money first because at the end of the day, your talents, your uniqueness and everyone has a talent. Actually use your passion because once everyone is unique and everyone has something different that they were called for. So that is something they should be able to identify. I'm being told we need to wind down now. So do you want to take also maybe the young man's question? Where do you see? But that's a very good question. Yes. Do you see yourself getting into the police force? So at some point I had thought I should never think politics because it might not mix. But I realized in Kenya, politics, if you want to make a difference you need to go to politics. And also we need to change the bad leadership that we see in politics then we need to go there and show the example. Because at the end of the day if we complain of bad leadership then who are those good leaders we are waiting for? So for me, I've been contemplating on the issue and I've said for example right now we are talking there is an office called the women reps office. That's the office that should be exactly the work that I do. Empowering those girls, seresting them, educating them because there is a resource for that office and many young people don't even know that that office has funding. It has money. And what is so sad is that currently as I speak that office is not even supporting the girls that I have in my county. So actually in 2022 he will not be surprised if I decide to go for that office. We need to change leadership. For me my take is do not complain about the bad leadership because everyone is complaining most of them chose the leaders that we are. So why don't we change that leadership to what we want or try other people if they don't believe us then change because we complain about you Dominique tomorrow we will re-elect you again because you gave us last election you gave us 50 but we elected you now you are giving us 100 we are bringing you back now because you gave more money. So I think Kenyans need to move from the issue of being boards like leadership yakununu liwa to action based or what is it called results based leadership because that's what we are lacking in this country we are self interested people who just want to go there not to serve the Kenyans but to serve their own interests. Absolutely. Thank you so much. I am very very happy that you accepted my invitation and I'm glad that you came and you have been an absolute inspiration to us and I hope to host you again and again and continue the work that you are doing and you know possibly I'm going to give you 30 seconds because now we need to why you went down Kabisa I think you have mentioned but where can I find you online so I can get to know about you. We have a website www.samborogals.foundation not .org or .com. We have an online email or contact number if you want to come volunteer with us it's open you can write us an email if you want to donate there is an impesa there is a paper for those who are online on that website and we accept all kinds of donations these girls need clothes they come with nothing they need food, they need school fees so we accept all kinds of support because at the end of the day Habanahaba Ujazaki Baba www.samborogals.foundation you can go there and support the work that Josephine Kulea and her team are doing all over the country especially in Samburu County to help girls find hope in the future I want to thank you for having been part of this show as my dear view I want to thank my chief guest Josephine Kulea for the work that she is doing hoping that she has inspired you to look into your own community and see what you can do and you can even volunteer as he said with the organization as you try to figure out what God is calling you to do in your life I also want to thank my audience here from Nibs Technical University yes, yes thank you so much for making time to be here and I also want to appreciate one accord acapella ok, make some noise for them people that's one accord thank you so much for being on my show God bless you do have a good night and be mad be exceptional make a difference see ya thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you