 Welcome to ITU Telecom World 2017 in Pusan in the Republic of Korea. I'm very pleased to be joined in the studio today by Minister Rudi Antra who is the Minister of Communication and Information Technology for Indonesia. Rudi, thank you very much indeed for being with us in the studio today. My pleasure, Max. Now I'd like to start off by asking you about smart digital transformation. It's on everybody's lips here at ITU Telecom World. What does smart digital transformation mean to Indonesia? The digital smart transformation is how can we maximize the use of digital technology to the benefit of the people? How can the people, not only in the big cities but in the rural, they are able to use to maximize the use of digital in order to improve their economic, to improve their socials. That is the basic line of the digital transformation. And what smart opportunities do you see in the next five years and what are the key challenges? Indonesia is a big country. Indonesia is pretty much archipelago country. It consists of 17,000 islands where 60% of people live in one island, the big island, Java. In the Java islands, I don't think that ICT infrastructure is an issue. But in other islands, it's really an issue where we are focusing ourselves to build the ICT infrastructure. So that's why the government of Indonesia right now is focusing in the implementing the, we call it Palaparin project, where the whole capital of region throughout the country, we have more than 500 regions throughout the country, has to be connected by broadband in 2019. While in Java, where infrastructure is more than adequate, we are now focusing on the applications next layer of the ICT infrastructure, which is where people develop the applications and generating the economic growth from these applications. Perhaps we can talk a little bit about how important SMEs are in driving innovation in the digital economy. Indeed. SMEs are very important. We have the micro-small medium enterprises, more or less 56 million in Indonesia, out of 260 million people who live in Indonesia. And our economy, more than 50% represented by the micro-small medium enterprise GDP. And with this technology development, particularly in Java, we are able to create more entrepreneurs, to create more micro-small medium enterprises. I can give you some examples. Tokopedia. Tokopedia is one of the e-commerce marketplace platforms. They have 2 million merchants. Interestingly, out of 2 million, 80% are new persons or new group of people who do the business. So when they see there is an opportunity to use the technology and they use it. So they sell their goods, they sell their services through digital technology. But this is only in Java for a time being where infrastructure is almost everywhere. But our job is not only Java, because Indonesia is spread from West to the East, as if we are flying from Los Angeles to New York, or from Oslo, Sweden to Vladivostok, Russia. Of course, no, absolutely. So what about your vision of reducing wealth disparity through digital economy, business model in Indonesia? Perhaps you could tell us a little bit about that. Reducing disparity of the wealth is not an issue only in Indonesia. Globally, look at even in the G20 countries, we are experiencing still the gap reflected by the Gini ratio, ranging between the G20s, probably ranging between 25 to 45 or something like that. And look at in LDCs, let's develop countries, because not all the countries are members of the G20 in the world. Look at the LDCs. In LDCs, they experience the Gini ratio probably 40 to 60%. Then we have to narrow the gap. This is our obligation, it's not a particular country, it's us, it's people who live in the world to how we should reduce the gap between the both. And by what? By maximizing or the use of the digital technology. I'm not saying that every country has to apply the similar application in Indonesia like Gojek and Topopedia, like I said earlier, but at least we have experience in how can we maximize this one. For instance, right now, for the one who would like to enter into culinary business, they should have a kitchen to cook the foods and they should have the restaurants or the stores to sell their foods. But with this technology, it is proven even in Indonesia, we don't need the physical restaurant anymore. Why? Because people can food order directly to Gojek and they will pick up the food directly from the kitchen and deliver it from the kitchen to the customer. So this will reduce a lot of intermediary costs. So this is actually what we have to do. It's not literally what as I said, but the thinking, the thought that how can we reduce the intermediary by utilizing the technology digital. Of course, the food is a great example. We all need to eat, but of course, there are other examples as well, which are just as important, I'm sure. Of course, it's not only foods, but in Indonesia, Gojek initially is meant for transportation. This is the two-motorcycle taxi, it's Uber version of Indonesia to transport the people. But now this is becoming lifestyle. It's not only the foods. If you would like to have the massage service parallel or something like that, they will send the parallel. If you want to clean up our apartment, they will send someone who can clean up our apartment. Again, it is lifestyle. And finally, I'd just like to ask you, what's the value of attending events such as ITU, Telecom World, and what's your key message to participants here? It is very valuable. Otherwise, I won't come to this ITU Telecom World 2017, nor we have the booth, the country booth, which is quite big compared to other Sina, but not as big as the host country of course, Sina. Again, attending the ITU to Indonesia, we are not the most advanced country from the digital technology point of view. But nor we are the least developed countries from digital technology. We are, say, in the middle of something like that, but we have to learn what would be the advanced country doing, how to develop the digital technology, how they can maximize the technology to the benefit of the people, whether from economic as well as for the social. That is the main objective that we come to this Congress. Not only that one, if there is another country who would like to, say, learn from the experience of Indonesia and copy what we have done in Indonesia, we'll be also more than happy. Again, this ITU Telecom World is very important to the member of ITU, to me. And if I may suggest to everyone, this is the time for us to learn each other. The one who already advanced, it is their responsibility as well, how they can drag the least developed countries in terms of digital technology. And the role of ITU, as I shared with you earlier, Max, I think ITU even has to reposition themselves. It's not to perceive that ITU is only on the pipe business, on the basic telecommunications. I also don't want to position that ITU is taken over all internet world because it's very dynamic, it's not easy to manage as well. Well, thank you for sharing your insights into what's happening in Indonesia. We wish you the very best here at ITU Telecom World and we look forward to catching up with you again in the future. Okay, Max, thank you very much. Good luck for everyone. Thank you very much.