 How's everyone doing? Good morning, so About two years ago, I came up with this crazy idea. This is a passion project for me you know, this is something that is interesting and Pretty in my curiosity gets You know I perk my ears whenever I start thinking about fractals and stuff like that what I will not be talking about I am not going to pretend to be a quantum physics expert. I am not going to get into any Woo-woo science. In fact, when I pitched this idea to Aaron Bytesdale He looked at me like what the hell are you talking about? You know, it's like yeah, no, no, I am actually going to talk about Randomness and fractals and in like how they present in our environment and How can we use them? You know, so What are this random patterns and randomly appear and Do things to us and are useful and can be tools We're gonna talk about like fractal adaptations that are present in nature, you know, and And then I'm gonna bring it back and and I'm going to Theoretically discuss how this ideas are Added to my lifestyle and how I've been using this randomness to create robustness or anti-fragility because there is this trend in In the health sphere that we are this Snowflakes that are very fragile and we wouldn't be here flying from across the United States and and you know other countries and Watching this presentation over fiber optics and cables if we were fragile, I Believe and this is a personal philosophy that we are here because we're adaptable and we are robust So no more of that. Oh my god my thyroid. What am I going to do to help it? No, it's What are we going to do to help our condition and move on so we can enjoy life? Because in the end that's what's all about so Having dinner with Chris master John and then later on, you know a drink with my my friend Ben we were talking about energy in how Energy prices and energy security are going to be a huge problem Huge problem in the future energy prices are climbing and by environmental changes are preventing us from using energy or Are going to have catastrophic effects on the environment and We're constantly trying to find sources of renewable energy okay, for example Solar panels, you know the Sun gives us a lot of free energy and And we can use harness this energy to protect ourselves from future price increases Maybe sometimes even sell back energy But this solar panels Kind of present with a lot of problems For example There's always that efficiency problem. How can we solve and how can we harness? More more energy from the Sun and be a little bit more Effective and increased productivity well Some scientists decided to arrange these panels in a fractal pattern the circuitry and the and the arrangement of this of these panels and they found out that when you arrange this solar panels in a way that We perceive as random it increases its efficiency in photosensitivity and production of energy and Then it also solved a second problem that we might have but we might not notice that Solar panels are ugly who wants to see solar panels But arranging this solar panels in a way that was more efficient to harness this energy also increase the appeal of That solar panel how cool is that? It's like So so what what is this fractal pattern? You know so a fractal pattern is this recursively created never-ending Pattern that happens in nature over and over There's so many examples And why is it happening? Why do we keep encountering and it's because it's more effective? And then when we study this fractal patterns in the geometry of this fractal patterns We can use this this patterns to increase robustness to increase effectiveness of other things from computer processing creation of energy Aesthetics How can we use that for health? But you know, it's like almost like nature figured out that having a fractal pattern is it good for photosynthesis because This is what succulents do They propagate in this fractal pattern almost like it they evolved to do this and they're pretty Who keeps succulents at their house? You know and they're robust Don't water them too much though because this is what my succulents look like so this is my actual succulents I got this as my 40th birthday present. I have I have a brown thumb. No pun intended I do that cannot grow I Cannot grow plants, you know, but succulents, you know, they they they help me, you know, but yeah So I bring the succulents. I wanted to take another hobby, you know in in and now my environment is a little bit prettier and Now I have something that I can look at and you know, and I know, you know that it's there because of evolution and its robustness and how it created, you know in the environment but Even for children just putting plants in their environment increases mental health it Decreases disorders of adolescence into adulthood and it's not like, you know, we need to Take our children and and live in the middle of the Pacific Northwest and you know, no Just a simple act of bringing a couple of potted plants into the adjacent environment Helps re-nature us and It also helps adults It reduces violence in prisons It reduces incidents of suicide just having a little plant But Why, you know, it's maybe because this fractal patterns are pretty and why are they pretty when we study Pollock's paintings and we do Computer analysis of the patterns that he used and it's not like Pollock was actively trying to create this factor, maybe he was but it was it makes us Look at the picture and it increases our interest in this painting It makes our eyes kind of look at the whole thing and it makes us like enjoy This paintings and maybe why this is why this paintings have, you know Been around in and over many many years this abstract looking abstract looking paintings that are kind of like in the back of our head are Really appealing. So are they really abstract, you know, and maybe it That's why he you know, he's so famous and we like his paintings You know, maybe by using this fractal patterns or maybe it's because evolution Has taught us to use fractal patterns. For example, albatross When they hunt in low in areas of low food They use fractal flight paths Levi paths for foraging success and this fractal patterns Increase the chances that the albatross is actually going to find food Are this fractal patterns part of us well, maybe because the hats I use the same Levi patterns When they're looking for food when they're foraging Completely and dodging us to us No one is teaching us this This fractal patterns are beautiful. This fractal patterns are efficient. This fractal patterns are helping us evolve and When I say that they are in dodging us to us They are in dodging us to us for example the bronchial trees grow in fractal patterns To increase surface area for gas exchange So this little self repeating tree like, you know shapes are repeating and repeating and repeating and we can pack About 75 square square meters of surface area in a six-liter volume That's you know, so for people that are not familiar with metric Four liters is about a gallon. So just imagine 75 square meters It would you know, it was used to say that oh, it's about the size of a tennis court It's not quite that big it's half half a tennis court. But yeah, so this fractal patterns Really have helped us Evolved we are here in that oxygen exchange like dr. Lustig was talking about yesterday it's possible Because of this efficiency For example neurons Grow in fractal patterns When we are little we don't have nerve endings and as those nerve endings grow They grow in this fractal like patterns and they extend and they extend and the ones that are beneficials persist and that's how we start walking and this wiring economy saves us energy and It's very efficient at connecting the things that we need to connect and It's being studied to use this type of Economy of of growth to wire super computers and to wire, you know different networks Because it's so efficient and it's been resolved already Okay, so enough, you know, so okay, so fractals are important cool How can we apply? this robustness principles Into our health Okay, so where's the mismatch? Okay, so maybe maybe CrossFit had it right, you know, they used to teach The Specialization is for insects and and I agree with that, you know, you are not going to be able to lift 500 pounds on a deadlift by specializing in marathon running No, maybe we need to be more open to introducing random types of exercise into our into our routines like primal play like You know, some of the movement sessions that we've had here during the weekend And don't get me wrong There's a big difference between exercising and training and we should always aim to train Who's ever heard someone and said, oh, you know, I just go into the gym And I'm just gonna, you know, just gonna on the treadmill and for a couple of minutes And then I'm just gonna do a couple of curls, you know, that's that's exercising. That's useless We should always try to have a training goal. What's your goal? You know, it could be, you know, getting stronger. It could be getting more flexible. It could be being more resilient more robust and then selecting a strategy to achieve that goal and Using as many forms of training that are going to help you achieve Achieve that goal. Okay. Who can recognize this next picture? You guys know what that is? That's the thermostat at the dorms We live at 73 degrees Constantly comfortable There's no randomness. We're never uncomfortable. I keep walking out of here because I'm cold We need to introduce randomness into our environment We live in too much comfort. This is making us fragile You know, how can we introduce some cold exposure? Kurt over here, you know, he he's gonna start doing cold showers now We need to expose ourselves to sauna therapy we need to you know, I Be comfortable being uncomfortable So on exposure is very Necessary not just because we let want to look tan You know, not just because we need vitamin D. In fact in my practice If you have an overt vitamin D deficiency, you know, I might recommend vitamin D, but we forget That when we receive the sunlight into our skin There are so many side chains side reactions that are happening that are creating other things that we haven't even studied other things that we don't even know and We are completely bypassing Because we want to see a number on a paper that says you're above 40 and We and we achieve it and then that said are we done? No We need to include, you know, some of this temperature exposure this random this randomness into our lifestyle Circadian rhythm Disregulation this is a tough one because you know, we have shift workers We need shifts and we need people to be at hospitals 24-7 and How do we help? Our friends that are doing this Be able to have a little bit of changing and and have a little bit of More variability, you know, we know that we have to wake up with the sun we know that we should go to sleep at night, you know, but it's just It's just very difficult because of the society we live in, you know Waking up with an alarm clock in in a perfect environment and we do not live in a perfect environment We should strive to try to wake up when we wake up But, you know, I had to be here at 11 o'clock for this presentation. So I had to set up an alarm this morning And then staying up late, you know, I do not want any of my patients to ever tell me that That, you know, oh my kid had strep throat. So I had to tell him, you know what, sorry, dude I got to protect my circadian rhythm. I'll see you tomorrow morning. You know when the sun rises You know, take care of yourself peace. No, no We are here. We are here not to see who takes the most out. I mean, it's not not to see who's the most primal We're here To enjoy life. We're here to be the part of this community and be a productive member of this community And sometimes you go out and you have an excellent dinner and you stay up late drinking a little bit of wine and Sometimes, you know, it's going to be time to double down and do the things that we do But we have become so regimented in trying to be perfect that if we End up, you know, oh staying past 11. Oh my goodness. That's going to crater me for the next month And that's not robust Maybe staying up with your kid overnight. Yeah, you're gonna be tired. Sorry But maybe you can recover from the tiredness because you have that adaptability After two or three days, not two or three months and then heart rate variability, okay, so sympathetic Very steady heart rhythm boom boom boom boom boom when we're rested when we're parasympathetic We see our little random Heart rate boom boom boom Why because we're in sympathetic mode Our brain doesn't trust our peacemaker to keep the you know, the heart beating So it starts releasing cortisol epinephrine and all of this excitatory Compounds to keep that steady heart rate because it doesn't trust it when we're nice and relaxed when we're resting digest, you know Our heart our brain trusts our heart and now this random variable heart rhythm occurs But we are so addicted to all these numbers, you know my hour ring when I first got it I was waking up in the first thing I would look at it was like it really wasn't was my hrv And that would send me into sympathetic mode So instead of me listening to my body Be more intuitive and decide Okay, I feel pretty damn good today. Let me check with my hrv is Or you know what I feel like crap. I was letting the data dictate My day What about diet? You know, we talk a lot about diet, you know, raise your hand if you have an intermittent fasting alarm Okay, erase it get rid of it You know, it's a great tool but intermittent fasting we should listen to our body and Decide, you know, what time should we start eating list learn to be hungry? Now it's a great tool for someone that's never done it, you know, and then looking at that clock, you know Take down and then doing it, you know But you got to remember that fasting doesn't happen as an on off switch You know, there's plenty of research on fasting mimicking diets where you're constantly eating throughout the day and you still activate Maybe not a hundred percent of the mechanisms that benefit us from fasting, but maybe 85 90 percent of them So we need to let go of that. Oh my god It's 15 hours and 58 minutes two more and I'll start eating and it does not happen. It happens on a spectrum You know, there's a lot of Diet restrictions, you know, and I have a lot of patients that suffer from orthorexia Being so regimented about their the problems and listen Diet saved my life. It changed my course of my life And I I'll I'll I have a little bit of orthorexia. I think, you know, I'm you know, I can I can Disclose that, you know but aiming to increasing the variety of our food Aiming to having more things coming in to increase robustness You know, I don't want to dive, you know or be defeated by a Brussels sprout They are special cases, you know I would never suggest that Someone with a disease like alcoholism should be able to drink every once in a while. Of course not, you know And there are people with true debilitating problems. It can be caused by oxalates or many different things and and and They're not gonna be unable, but you know, the goal should always be to increase the amount of variety in our food To create robustness, you know, one of my mentors, Dr. Kenneth Prof Rock told me That his prescription for probiotics is to you do your research and get the best 10 probiotics and those 10 worst probiotics and then take the first one number one first finish the bottle and then grab the worst list and then You do the worst probiotic and then go back and forth and have a lot of variety Because we want that variety in our in our digestive system And I don't know like the common thread Throughout this presentation. I think it's talking about like for me sis, you know, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger You know being comfortable in an uncomfortable environment Increasing that robustness, you know, we are creatures of habit We like predictability You know, there was a study where People were sent to war and One cohort was told you're coming back in three months. The other cohort was told you're coming back the cohort that had a Deadline had less incidents of PTSD That the cohort that hadn't opened that line even if they stayed less time. We like that predictability We we want to know, you know, mass loss, you know, hierarchy but We should be okay, and we should be robust enough to every once in a while Be able to step out of that health box Be able to kind of push our limits not only physically mentally emotionally everything, you know, it's okay to cry For us to be able to increase that indogenous robustness, you know, so How over the past month, you know, like thinking about this presentation, I was like, what the hell am I gonna do with this? You know, how am I going to prescribe robustness to my patients? It's crazy, you know because It's there's no pill, you know, maybe if I can tell my patients, you know, yeah you got to be uncomfortable with temperature and and on certain situations and then going going to bed with the Sun and maybe staying up sometimes, you know, maybe have a little bit a little bit of bad food every once in a while, you know Like a s'more and maybe having temperature dysregulation and then taking a cold shower Maybe we need to start prescribing more campaign Thank you so much okay, so Let's play a little game whoever gives me the best question Question gets a box of element. It has to be a question though. Okay has to be a question, right? Yeah What's your middle name? Yeah, my middle name is what the loopy good. Yeah. Okay. That was my question. Thank you So I say your talk really spoke to me, you know the idea of randomness and hormesis I'm yeah We're kindred souls one thing you said was really interesting about fasting and That is not to do it on a regular basis and to mix it up There's a hormone called grailin, which is kind of the meal timing hormone And if you eat very regularly, it comes up like clockwork, you know half an hour before Mealtime and it tells you up got to eat and they've done studies with Dogs and humans where they put them on three meals a day or six meals a day the grailin adapts so I take your advice and kind of Try to randomize my Eating times so that I'm not doing that and it really suppresses cravings because Your your body is sort of extinguished this grailin response. So have you looked at the hormonal responses to randomizing I'm a chronic faster. Yeah, I'm a chronic but we would we talked a little bit about this yesterday I do with very well with like 68 or even omat You know, I tell my patients that I can fast like a motherfucker, you know, it's it's it's very easy to fast When I've done fasting mimicking diets the moment they put one of those crackers in my mouth I'm ravenous for the rest of the day, you know, so So in my randomness Sometimes I'll have breakfast You know, maybe once or twice a month, you know, but I do much better with Fasting so it's not an all-absolute all or nothing or whatever, you know, it's more to me in my own personal health is You know every once in a while Never planning a cheat when you plan a cheat I'm gonna cheat next Saturday. You'd throw the baby out with the bath water but if you are in In LA and you're walking down the street and at the farmers market, you see some gluten-free crepes You know, I'm just gonna have some, you know and add that randomness into my day now If I'm unlike body fought body body fat, you know cut, you know, and I'm counting my macros and whatever I've made a contract with myself that I'm going to do something for eight weeks I'm not gonna add randomness. I'm gonna stick to my plan because that's the part of training, you know But I'm not on a forever diet You know, I allow myself to have periods of expansion and periods of you know, where I'm like, you know I got a presentation man. You know, I gotta lose a couple of weights Yeah, but but to put this randomness into your schedule. Do you are you just completely spontaneous? Okay Spontaneousness all right. Very cool. Thanks. Thanks a lot. Oh What kind of what kind of medicine do you what kind of practice do you have? patients I do naturopathic endocrinology Yeah, and I have a specialized in endocrinology or hormones. Yeah, where's your practice? It's at go health at go health.com and if you go there, you know, I can give you a Free meet-and-greet, you know, so you can see what I do Yeah, no Arizona. Okay. I do telehealth. Yeah Just because I want a chance at that box Could you describe the crystal structure of element and describe whether it is or is not a fractal or to a degree It might be a fractal. I Cannot describe the crystal stock structure of element, you know, but that's a good question for the nerdiest question of So in a way what you're describing is balance you're sort of Through your essentially like what I what I hear you saying is There is a time to be regimented. There's a time to not be regimented How do you and and so essentially In order to describe what that balance is you still have to find where your own center is So that you can sort of see from my understanding like what what is What is the extreme on both ends? Therefore? What's the middle? So how do you define that for yourself? So HRVs have very good indicator for that, you know, and the the the more stress doubt I am the more I can Become a little bit more regimented, you know during high periods of stress, you know, I try to Not drink There is nothing healthy about alcohol. It is fun to sell, you know, and and I enjoy whiskey But if during a stressful situation I am not going to add that stressor into my life, you know during medical school during boards It would hear people is like oh, I'm so stressed. I'm gonna have some Ben Jerry's when I'm I was that stressed That's when I went like hold 30. I was like I Almost I got to stay up and I got a study I am gonna buffer all of that stress by eating better and the more relaxed we are We can allow more of this stressors to come into our life and you know and and be part of us But yeah, and it's the same with the spectrum of health. I'm not gonna suggest that someone with cancer Should be loosey-goosey and have you know, it's more every once in a while. No, you have to be more regimented, you know But someone that has really good health that feels optimal Should spend that health and enjoy life a little bit more. Thank you I was just gonna ask if the element box has varying levels of electrolytes So with your patience, do you introduce that randomness after you've seen some remission from Symptoms or do you try to experiment during that time period as well? You know in the in the art of medicine, you know, we want to eliminate as many variables as possible So there are going to be stretches of time where I'm going to ask my patient Hey, let's try gluten-free for 30 days and there's no cheating. You know what goes from the plate to your mouth It's not a cheat. It's a decision and if you're making that contract with yourself Let's do it for 30 days and now we've eliminated a variable you know, I In my practice, I tend to take people off of Supplements more often than adding supplements guess how many supplements my average patient takes in a day 17 is That robust Having I don't take any prescription medication, but I do have a pill counter for all the 17 different supplements, so we take away things Introduce a little bit of more standardization remove variables and then little by little We add what we need and the healthier you are The more wider you can start having maybe a keto brownie every once in a while But if you come if you come to me to lose weight No, you're not gonna be randomly eating keto snacks. No, we need to standardize things and but not forever never forever Just one thing. I already know your name What is your quest? What was that? What is your quest? Now you're courting George and Sarah were asking us yesterday and you know, most of us did it already in four minutes, so My quest as in oh my call my call. What's your calling your motivation to to be okay? Yeah, you know, so my past presentations were about Viruses and bacteria and using herbs to kill go back to 2017 I was talking about corona viruses and I was talking about monkey box go back 2017 okay, and then Megan Told me you didn't go to school to treat Petri dishes you went to school to treat people and I've doubled down and now I'm practicing, you know, but but it so so viruses and bacteria and herbs are cool And that's my hobby, but my calling is healing people great talk. Thank you I'm curious if there's ever a time where you actually find that you have to prescribe to a patient The opposite more order because for example for me to stay on track, you know a lot of the times it's easier for me to eat the same salad every day I feel prepped it for the whole week and If I start adding that variation into my schedule I'll fall off the rails a lot easier And so is there ever a time where you kind of have to get the ball rolling with order before they can let in the chaos? Yes, I'm a big fan of Regimentation and having systems tons of systems in my house Like for example lights go on when I go into a certain area lights shut off and change in, you know Color at a certain time according to this the sun setting all of my shirts match my pants and So I don't have to make a decision of why I'm gonna I'm gonna wear I can just grab whatever When I go to work, I park at the same spot Because my job depends on decision-making and there is something called decision fatigue and You've experienced that you know you wake up in the morning. Oh, what are we having for dinner? And then as the day progresses is like, what do we have it for the What do we have? Ah, well over eats Because you are fatigued of Making decisions. So yes having having structure is very important. Okay, and Creating those habits and what once those habits set and once you're more comfortable in your own skin and what you once you're Saving saving that health and putting into that bank account at a certain point I am going to ask my my patients to Spend some of that health. But yeah, yeah, it's especially with eating disorders It's very fine line between being regimented and triggering So so it's very important to as a practitioner any practitioners here to identify that even within our health Groups there's a lot of eating disorders and we need to make sure of be aware that we're not triggering them and we are actually helping and not, you know, because My patients do whatever the hell I ask them to and it can be very dangerous Dr. Rez might you prescribe a variable a number of whiskies I More than one thank you