 Hey, it's Monday night. Believe it or not, and we're here once again for voiceover body shop tonight He drove all the way from Las Vegas to join us Dave crevasse who's gonna talk about his new life. That's right We're gonna find out like a phoenix Rises from the ashes Yeah, no, it's really great to have him here in person Yeah, and we've got some tech items to talk about if you got a question throw it in the chat room please we want one question tech questions and And then Then we can talk about some of the other weird stuff that goes on in our lives coming up Next on voiceover body shop. 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Michael Collins demos award-winning demo production voice actor websites.com where your voiceover website won't be a pain in the butt and voiceover extra your daily resource for Vio success And now live from their super secret multimedia studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are George Wittem and Dan Leonard Good evening. I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George Wittem and this is voiceover body shop or Vio BS Man, they're so loud. I need to turn on the other Mike to hear them. I know that was awesome outstanding. Well it's Monday night once again and The weather has been beautiful here in Southern, California Yeah, all you guys in the Northeast who are sweltering in humidity and all the hot I know I was riding bikes around Van Nuys and Pacoima on Sunday a day You wouldn't normally want to do that in June, but it was actually beautiful. Yeah, it's a club. Yeah. I was gorgeous Yeah, I was actually up that way at the San Fernando Swamp meet. All right. That was different I was the only person speaking English To get any deals Marcy got some like two dollars a yard fabric. She's really happy You know something for everybody. Yeah places. Yeah now somebody gave me something I have to I have to thank Joe J. Thomas. Well, I'm sitting at the bar guys a goof. Yeah, you're watching Joe You're funny. Yeah, I read Joe's dump. I think that says it all He comes into the bar for we're at a voices anonymous meeting. It's just hey Dan. Hold on to this Just hold on to this. Oh Man large magnetic Mustache the thing that you guys can't really see can you go to my close-up camera? This this one over here. Look at look at what's going on on this mustache. There is it's it looks like an animal hair It's really weird. I think that is the final mustache Like I don't I think literally you never have to receive anything else with a mustache I love this stuff Yeah, yeah, right Anyway, so we've got some tech stuff to talk about tonight and again if you have a tech question Throw it in the chat room right this very minute So Jack Daniel our social media czar can get it to us and we can answer it We're solve your problem because we're never wrong anyway Even if I tell you to drop it in the trash take me seriously trust me all righty Well, anyway right now it's time for Now the voice over extra news for June 25th 2018 audio book sales Last week the audio publishers Association reported with glee the findings from its recent annual survey of publisher members The APA says was 2017 the APA says was another year of double-digit growth for the industry in terms of both the dollar volume and number of individual audiobooks sold dollar volume jumped 23% took just over 2.5 billion Dollars and unit sales climbed to more than 46,000 Titles Wow Details are in a report now on voice over extra about two dozen readers have clicked the like button at the article Presumably they are narrators who are happy with their income and or want to be so envision a bright future voicing audiobooks, but then we get comments Oh, baby comments tinged with disappointment in a social media group one narrator quipped I should charge more and another said maybe it's time for residuals At the voice over extra article itself a reaver writes with sarcasm Isn't that wonderful? I wonder who's getting most of the revenue for narrating all those audiobooks He adds I bet most of it's going to Union voice over talent with major representation The real opportunities are all locked up by Union folks. He says just like everything else in the VO world Well, is that the case? Hmm in 2015 voiceover extra surveyed audiobook narrators and posted a multi-part series on the data Including what they narrate their level of experience and what they're paid Interestingly, most narrators who belonged to the Union said they believe that Union membership did indeed enhance their chances of training audiobook work, but wait Those who were not Union members believed that not belonging to the Union gave them the leg up By the way, annual income from audiobook narration in 2015 varied from under $10,000 by 64% of the respondents to between 50 and a hundred thousand dollars for nine point four percent and Four respondents sat on a pedestal overlooking us all with over $100,000 per year one percenters of the voice over narration Anything if you want to see more from the series go to voiceover extra comm and at the articles tab in the gray menu bar scroll to Biz audiobooks and then scroll down to the June 25th June 2015 reports From this series and from years of observation We'd argue that in addition to having skill at narrating Income is greatly affected by moving up from royalty share arrangements with smaller titles to working directly with major Publishers and then building volume and popularity PS the audio publishers report is also packed with lots of info about the habits and preferences of listeners For instance, what types of books do they prefer to hear the three most popular genres are number one Mysteries slash thrillers slash suspense number two science fiction and thirdly romance Look for all the details now at voiceover extra comm your daily resource for voice over success and PS coming tomorrow on voice over extra is help for those who may be burned out in their VO career climb or afraid of failure and it comes from someone whose names whose name you recently heard somewhere Dave crevasse a who will be joining us in about 15 minutes, right? Lots of PS is in that article I know yeah, yes lots of things to remember audio books Been a while since I've done some you know I talked to the people that do them and a lot of times the people I'm talking to have never done one and In some cases they're people that have never done paid or professional voice work at all, right? So they have the unbelievable mountain to climb here, which is they're down here and The other guys will appear but you know what you make it through that first project on your own It's gonna make a lot of the types of voice works seem a little easier. I would think so. I wouldn't think so So what's new in tech? Well, I will remind you as I do every single year every I should probably just say that start the news every single time and every day and say the same thing which is Don't upgrade or update Anything on your computer unless you have a really good reason to and this things just seem to get worse And this is not a Mac Windows thing. This is across the board. Honestly I client of mine recently. I just went in there to just do it just one little routine update It was just from point three to point four What could possibly go wrong and find out that the driver for his USB video adapter that goes to the booth? Just blew up happened to me too and it yeah It was a known issue. I went to the company it makes the thing and they said Or we're trying to fix it. We didn't we didn't see it come in Apple didn't give us a pre they obviously didn't give us a beta to test it before they released it They just pushed and guys just just yeah, unless there's something that's really misbehaving on your system And it's getting in the way or you you've got new hardware that you really want to use and you have to upgrade something Just don't do it. I mean, it's the only thing I would say is worth installing would be security updates You do get security updates pushed to your Mac and Windows machines I'm more familiar with the Mac side and I have a Mac that's running like a I don't know five-year-old operating system Mine, too. I still get updates there, but they're all security related So that's what you know, that's what keeps my system from getting hacked into apparently because never has been A cool product. I've had my hands on recently and I fortunately haven't been able to shoot a video yet But I will I came multimedia, which is a cool company. They make really interesting stuff Not very expensive the people who make iRig they make the iRig and the iMike studio and all these little cool gadgets They even they came up with this little thing the iRig which is a way to plug an iPad or an iPhone into a mixer They came up with a speaker it's not brand new this has been out a little while But I just finally get to hear one in the real world and it's called the iLoud If you're looking for something that's compact it really is sort of a Bluetooth speaker. Well, it is a Bluetooth speaker It's small. It's about the size of a large hardcover book But it's it's got a considerable amount of power It's 40 watts like legitimately 40 watts rms of power and it's got two two-way speakers a woofer and a tweeter and Some kind of a waveguide port, you know for low frequency But what's interesting about it that makes it different from the millions of Bluetooth speakers that are out there Is it's really designed for music production? So it's designed to be relatively accurate all those bows and and kickers and all the other UA and ultimate ears and all those things they have a lot of bass boost They do that on purpose to make the music more fun make it thump these speakers don't do that They they really are very accurate and clean and clear and they put out a considerable amount of volume I mean, you don't need a ton of volume for what you're doing But this is pretty cool if you're tired of like trying to figure out where I'm going to put my stew two big studio monitors This thing just sitting on the desk right underneath your monitor or something like that It sound it really sounds great and it's portable. It is also a Bluetooth portable speakers with batteries I seriously considered them when I was looking at student new studio monitors a little spendy Yeah, but there it was like 229 for two of them. Yeah, and I thought about it And then someone played the amahas for me. Well, oh, did you see the eye case that are like little little bitty-bitty ones That's a new one. They came out. Yeah. Yeah, those are nice, too. I haven't heard those yet Those are cool. I don't know what they're called, but they're very compact. They're like this big I was told by the salesperson at at Banjo Emporium that it was a they're they're okay There but they're they're like enhanced computer speakers. Yeah, I mean if you have a very small space These little speakers from IK. Yeah, either the monitors or the I loud They're all really interesting solutions and you know my tests and I played with it at home for a while I used it listening to everything and sounded really really clean So nice I will try to get some kind of a little review at the studio where it's set up For next time. Excellent. Lastly I'm just thinking about Question that comes up and actually have somebody right now waiting for me to answer this question for them Is should you get isotope rx? elements Or the standard version because there's a big price disparity are people having lots of terrible noises and problems with their audio That they need to have something like this. Yes. Oh, okay Well, the audiobook narrators primarily with mouth noise, right? They're spending a tremendous amount of time cleaning up the mouth noise manually I client just worked with said not typical or actually it is typical for him to spend up to eight hours per finished hour Cleaning up his audiobooks and I'm like any money, man So I'm setting them up with the rx and so the thing to figure out is which one do you need? Well, what's the difference between them? I mean, there's a lot of differences, but the one that really matters is one has a Well, they both have a de clicker, but one has a mouth noise de clicker So the standard version they came up with an algorithm Directly targeting mouth noise We've been using the standard de clicker for years It was developed for de clicking vinyl records and stuff like that And it does a pretty good job for a lot of people But mouth clicks are just slightly different frequency and mouth clicks. They can be lower in pitch or they can be They're more complicated. They're not just a very sharp click, you know So this new version has come out. It's it's really quite magical But it's like three times more expensive to go up to that next version. So Get yourself a demo of the standard version and try the moth out on your voice try the De clicker and use the mouth de click One after another and try them and if the standard one works for you, then just go buy the elements license for 129 Versus the standard one which is over 300 dollars. I think it's 350 something like that And that'll save you a heck of a lot of money. So that's that's my recommendation there But they're the tools from isotope are fantastic. They're rx tools are second to none. Very cool. Alrighty Well, Dave crevasse is going to be joining us in just a bit and we're gonna have a fun time talking to him And if you got questions for him, throw them in the chat room, but we got more tech to cover right after this break So don't go away You're still watching v obs You're watching v obs dot tv. I don't know why it's crazy what they do here I think I want to go somewhere else and have a cheese. 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This is the um, the yellow tech mica mic arm and If you're paying attention, you'll see these a lot nowadays like on any time. There's a newsroom or radio show a radio Studio that's on camera. Yeah, yeah, they're probably gonna have these because they well, they look really freaking nice I mean they really do they look great The wiring is all internal the springs everything's internal You can lock the angle of the arm exactly where you want it. It stays put They're they're really really nicely made arms I have a mini rant though for yellow tech and I've been to yellow tech's booths at nab Many times done many videos. They they may know who I am at this point. Maybe they're listening. They see you coming We'll hashtag the heck out of this but you guys I can probably understand how you can justify this in your mind that the mic cable doesn't have to have mic connectors on it This is an expensive mic arm and this thing is north of $300 us and it doesn't come with any mic Plugs on the wires like no xlr terminal nothing at all and and I I get it. It's going into a professional broadcast studio pre-installed by professional Studio installers who do this, you know, and they they custom but at least throw them it I mean if you're not gonna at least throw them it like or put them on And let us chop them off if we don't want them right because I get to the client studio invariably I pull out of the box and I'm ready to walk out of there 10 minutes later And I'm like I got a soldered connectors on one two and three. All right, which one does the red one go to? Uh, I it's it's okay. I'm whining. I'm ranting but guys come on please. It's not that big a deal All right. Well, we have a tech question. Oh goody from our our good friend fred north All right, he says And it leads off with the answer I'm still using adobe audition 1.5 Yeah, just just just a generation past actually get that is yeah, they took cool enter pro and they called it audition I I have the cc version But I'm so comfortable with 1.5 for simple voice over tracks. Are there any advantages to going to cc? Should I drop it in the trash? Sorry, george. You couldn't help it. Yes. Well Being someone who uses cc 2018 I I think it's important uh to keep it updated and 1.5 adobe doesn't even service that anymore They're you know, they're not going to give you any support. So if it goes down, they're calling you or me or no I never used 1.5. Come on now You know, the best answer is always upgrade and 20 cc 2018 Is really powerful It it just it just works. Oh, I was losing waveforms today for some strange reason But you know, but I they came back. Yeah, but they came back Um, but yeah, it's it's actually very nice It the the engine keeps getting faster and faster the processing speed keeps getting faster and faster on it And the spectral view. Yeah, and it that's something that and it has the spectral view in case you don't want to invest the extra $124 for the essential version of isotope There's a great spectral and cleaning system within adobe audition, which is equally as powerful Uh, maybe doesn't have all the all the tools But how many tools do you need? It's like photoshop for for for audio It's exactly highlight something you don't like and and bro magic brush it heal it out of there Right made by the people who make photoshop for photos. Uh, so Fred Bite the bullet. I've been getting this a lot from people saying I'm so used to my old thing It's almer flood once said And I think it was the one about the shoemaker He says a manufacturer who sticks to old equipment cannot compete and will fail Hmm interesting. Although he said it more like like like yeah, I'm a fud So but anyway, um The fact is is you gotta stay contemporary and if you're using 1.5. It's a square stone wheel compared to Uh cc 2018 so can I disagree? No No, go ahead. No, I won't disagree but I will say I mean This is this is the thing when the longer you stick with an older tool The longer you become accustomed to it and it's hard to it's hard to move on and this is the problem I run into all the time because I'm telling people to not upgrade all the time And then we get to a certain point where like if they upgrade anything like they buy any new piece of gear any new software It's like a house of cards and then they have to upgrade everything and it becomes an all or nothing proposition Right. So if you do Stay up to date with things over time You don't necessarily you're not going to probably run into that Day where everything stops working because you changed one thing. That's the advantage of that But if you're slow and you're careful and you maintain your computer and you keep up to date with things Generally, these those things don't happen. Yeah. Yeah, I I remember when uh audition 3 3.0 came out Our good friend John Taylor and I went over to Univision And sat in front of a bunch of radio producers and we were Teaching them how to use three and showing them features in it that they would probably want to use in English Yeah, absolutely. Oh heck yeah, and these guys um They were all you know, these guys are pros This is all they do and they were all using 1.5 and some of them even on two Which anybody knows the world of audition two was a was was the vista of audition was really bad um So they went right to three, but Yeah, it's it's challenging when you stay behind. I mean fred if you're just you have it Just start try using it train yourself to use it and go. Oh, I can do this Oh, I can do that and join there's a facebook group for it for adobe audition Yep, um, that's very vibrant. There's a lot of people in there and a lot of videos that you and I have both done on it So yeah, there's a lot of great training for it. And you know, you may find there's something having 1.5 handy It never hurts to have a backup I'll tell you upgrades happen stuff happens like you Dan just said like I I had no video no waveform one day to be able to go right over to 1.5 And probably have it still work is is nice to have it healed itself. Anyway, good Interesting thing and then we can move on and get Dave on here because he's been sitting here for hours Listening to us babble on about all sorts of crap Hey, we were geeking out about his google pixel Crazy, what is that thing again? The pixel pixel book. Yeah, I was enjoying he can show that to us, but Um, I had a problem with a headphone this week I yanked on it and somehow I'm like I thought I brought I thought I broke the the plug Normally that would be what would happen. So I take a scissors. I cut it I buy a go over to all electronics around the corner where you get all the used audio equipment you can find And solder it all in take it in make sure that I you know, I I don't burn all of the coating off go into the kitchen. Marcy's like, what are you doing? I'm fixing my headphones. Oh, okay. I believe you Soldered it in one channel still gone I guess I did it wrong cut it again. Did the same thing over again shortening another half an inch Soldered it all in one channel and I'm like What am I missing and then I realized that when I had yanked on the cable I had actually cracked the side of the The mini plug on my ago 3 Went in there shoved a an allen wrench in there pulled the thing back stereo came back Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, so Troubleshooting is a process. Yeah, the moral of that story is troubleshoot everything. Don't assume anything, right? Because it was not what you thought right. It was just it was kind of odd now mr. soman my Seventh grade power mechanics teacher at kenmore middle school Actually was kenmore junior high back then said this is how you troubleshoot a lawnmower. Okay, you got to have air You got to have fuel you got to have spark in that order So if this thing's not starting you start at are we getting air? Yeah, are we getting fuel you check the carburetor? Are we getting spark check that spark plug? No, I told you to not grab it while i'm doing that thing Well, it hurts The guy loved it torturous with all sorts of stuff Anyway, but there's a process and with audio everything is in a logical order I just glanced down the chat room and you may not be alone Peter bishops said I started using or losing Waveforms as well after the last upgrade of adobe You got a glitch there never that first part of the show. I was saying um, no, I So what's that? So I actually I wanted a little bit more about that When that happens if you go and play back you hear everything. It's there. It's just there's just a flat line Right, there's no way. Dave was here watching me and it happened and he says that's still mine's doing it too Because that waveform is a file. It's called a pkf file, right? Right and Normally like the fault is it saves these as little files that every time you save a file you get a pkf file, right? You can go in there and uncheck a little box in the media drive meant the Preferences media cash or whatever the heck it is right and you can turn that little thing off, right? I wonder if that makes it better or worse I have a feeling the engineers at adobe have a large inbox of people saying hey my waveform is disappearing Yeah, they'll be fixed by tomorrow morning. Yeah, I'm interested to see if that makes any difference or you know or not Alrighty, well you got to remember There's only two people on god's green earth that have built more home voiceover studios than anybody and listen to more people Complaining about their tech issues than anybody and that would be myself and mr Wittem here So if you need help with your home studio if you want to learn it from the ground up If you are already a star and want a voiceover palace built Talk to this guy first and where do they go? I'll put one of these in your studio Yeah, and he'll actually solder the plug on To find me you go to george the tech dot com or george the dot tech If you like short geeky or else all right, it works too Dan, where do they find you? They can find me at home voiceover studio dot com where you can drop off a specimen of your audio In the specimen collection cup It's 25 dollars now But well worth it We'll go through your audio and make sure that it's working properly and if it's not we'll tell you so Alrighty, dave kivacier is coming up in just a minute. So don't go away. We'll be right back There you Are you confused about how to set up and maintain a professional quality voiceover studio? No wonder the information out there is mostly Mythology This is the best microphone to use. You have to have a preamp. You need a soundproof booth This software is the best your audio must be broadcast quality Consult with someone who knows the truth someone who's been there in the trenches Doing voiceover for over 30 years Someone with unparalleled experience with voiceover studios Who's worked with hundreds of voice actors and designed hundreds of personal studios? He knows how to teach and cares about your success In one of the harshest environments known to voiceover your home Dan Leonard the home studio master Separate myth from fact and get a handle on your personal voiceover studio Contact the home studio master at home voiceover studio dot com drop off a specimen of your dry audio for a free analysis I just want to say thanks to source elements. You guys are Just wonderful for supporting us all these years and you create cool stuff Source connect source connect is the Primary tool these days and it is definitely gaining momentum in terms of being up taken by Producers and engineers and studios all the world round As the way to connect their talent to them so that their talent can be anywhere at any time and be able to do professional sounding Recordings remotely you go into your booth. 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We appreciate it and we'll be right back here with Dan and dave And we're back, you know My guest very good friend dave crevasse grew up on an honest to goodness midwestern farm He began his broadcast career at kcc radio in carlsbad new mexico that moved to ke xo A top 40 radio station in grand junction colorado before he started his television career in grand junction at kjct Now you need to read all those back Later dave worked at tv stations in west lafayette, indiana cape charado, missouri and greensboro north carolina before going to las vegas in 1985 Where he served at anchor as an anchor at cbs affiliate klas until this spring when he retired from the news game and started pursuing voiceover full time And he's also a founding member of world voices organization And it's immediate past president and let's welcome right in our studio dave crevasse big disappointment Oh, it's great to have you here finally. Yeah, we've talked about this for months Years, I mean we've only been doing the show for seven years. I just live up the road. You know, that's right Just up 15 you've had some sort of a conflict though. Yeah, there's a con there's a contractual conflict Not really. Oh, okay Interesting. Um Now your life has gone through great transition here And uh, and i'm not going to ask you how's retirement because I do not want to get beaten up. Yeah I didn't I said i'm not gonna ask you that everybody's asking me that and it's not I realized they're being nice And they want they want to be cordial Okay, but you get tired of the question after a while because I I just left tv. I didn't really retire Right, so okay. Well, this is a minor distinction. All right, so but after all that time at the anchor desk How is the adjustment to home a home-based business that I've been doing for years now? You're seeing what the other half does. Well, you know, I've been doing voiceover for a long time But I never could give it the time it deserved, you know Because I always had this other thing going on with three news deadlines a day And so it's nice not to have to work for someone else But I have to be really intentional about my day We were talking about this earlier you have you have to set appointments with yourself and make sure that you have your day planned Otherwise, it's 7 p.m. And you're going where the day go right gotta schedule you gotta you gotta be disciplined about your day Right, so that's one thing I've really had to learn but no overall. It's been great Yeah time time to spend with your wife's time your dog and all we're still married after, you know Six months of retirement. She says she hasn't kicked me out yet. It's been great. It's good. Hey, you're an empty nester It's time to enjoy your marriage. Absolutely. So, you know that farm you mentioned that I grew up on it You're going out there. We're driving there. We're leaving wednesday morning to drive there with our dog And meet the family spend july 4th on the farm. It's a quiet place You hear the bullfrogs croak at night. It's nice, right? It's nice and quiet. That's That's something we don't get here in LA. You don't get the bullfrogs. No, we we get helicopters And and all that stuff. So well, enjoy that. No, it's gonna be good I think it'll be good decompressing. I might even look up Todd Ellis there in Carterville, Illinois. Cool. You know, Todd I don't know Todd. Well, I've heard his name. He's a voiceover guy. Yeah lives in the yeah, I've worked with him Todd Ellis a good guy. Yeah, I'm gonna look him up while I'm there virtually of course We all know each other virtually one way or another Uh, do you miss doing the news? You know, I don't I in fact, I don't even watch the news anymore It got to be very formulaic for me. So the four things you always see on the local news are Court cases shootings fires Murders, right love triangles which lead to murders, right? And and that creates the bulk of the news So a half hour newscast really is about 10 or 11 minutes worth of news. The rest is weather Sports transitions bumpers bump in bump chatter, right 10 12 minutes of news Is all you get in a half hour newscast, right? And it was very formulaic and it got to be to the point where I was getting a little complacent With that and then you get show then you get sloppy and sloppy is not a good place to be plus Well, I could go on and on. Yeah, there was a lot of reasons but Uh ownership and management changes at the station contributed. Yeah That's a story is what happened to radio 10 or 12 years ago. It's happening to tv now 20 years ago Yeah, yeah, it was it was a decentralized. It's a centralizing of the hubbing of operations from some other city Yeah, that tells you What your market should be doing and it's like wait a minute. I live here. I know what you don't know what's going on here Sure, yeah, they'll give you started George and I had the honor of going on the set with that's right a couple years ago That was a lot of people have the info voiceover and it was a good operation. It was a great station and it still is it's just that um It was time for me to go it was okay and and now you're now you're getting to live your life as opposed to reporting on everybody else's True and and but my my wife says look, I don't you want to watch the news? I'm like no no kind of been there done that It's not worth watching the news anymore. Yep. Yeah But one of the things you do and it's one of the first things I do in the morning after I kiss and hug my wife Because I'm glad she's still there um Is I you know I grab my phone start checking my email and seeing what I got to do during the day and One of the first thing it pops up is this thing you do apparently late at night every night every night And that is your blog and you've been doing that for a while for 10 or 12 years And I got into a routine of doing it almost every day of the week five days a week And I I'm just in a groove with it and it's easy and uh, I I live my day thinking ahead as to what I'm going to write that night And I never have a problem finding ideas. Um, they just present themselves Or I'll I'll look online and see what's trending and see how I can relate that to voiceover business Uh, and so I sit down around 10 11 o'clock at night Tap it out schedule it to go out at 2 10 in the morning And it's there in everybody's mailbox when they wake up and and I see it there everyone and it's always a good Very nice of you to say no it always It's made me a better writer no question. Yeah, I mean you've had lots of experiences a journalist and and doing that So it's just another short tight deadline and the blogging business is it's different. Uh, and it's changing too Uh, you really have to kind of keep it economical because people don't that you know tldr People don't have the time really they want to give me a message Make it quick make it succinct. By the way, what I did I'm the one here to define these nebulous terms that you're using. Thank you tldr Oh tl semicolon, right? Right means too long Didn't read right or is that right too long don't read or too long didn't read didn't read So it says you see the tldr version of something right that's the short version And that's just the attention span today Yeah, even in videos or podcasts and people go on and on and like vlbs. I mean it goes on for what an hour hour and a half Some people say an hour and a half tonight You get people come and go during the show and they get what they need from it, right? Yeah Yeah, well, yeah, you get into a routine and stuff now from this blog, which is a great How can they get to the blog by the way corvo.com courvo.com slash blog slash slash forward slash forward slash blog right, okay, so Out of those blogs which you've been writing for a good 10 years now You wrote a book Right, so just a voice. Tell us about it. So this is 2014. I started putting together my best or most red blogs I mean, you don't have to buy the book. It's all there in my archives But it's in a very concise form. It's all put together bound and it's got little nice Cities and links to it and stuff and I published that in 2014 I don't think I'll ever get the money back that I put into it. It's very expensive to self publish Yes, it is, but it's been great. It establishes me as an author And I get a lot of great feedback from people I think it was the right move at the right time you get good will credits good will credits and then I Oddly enough a lot of voiceover talent who have written books never voiced their own book So I narrated the book and sold it as an audiobook as well And it's like exactly seems like a no-brainer to me But I'm gonna actually have a new edition of the audiobook coming out probably some time this year Cool. Well, that'll be if you're driving across country. That's something I want to hear You can listen to yourself on the way back to the farm All right Well, if you're just joining us our guest is Dave Cormacier who is a big time leader in our voiceover business and Big time. Yeah, it's really big if you've got a question for Dave Put it in the chat room and jack daniel our master of social media will get it back to us and we will relay that question to him and Dave loves to talk about all sorts of stuff. So if you've got a question for him, I know a lots of friends are out there Please submit a question Let's talk about our pet project Which basically sucked the life For about six years we're one half of the founders. I know The world voices, you know, we all knew what we had to do when we're sitting in this car in Ventura Windows all steaming at F. Con. Yeah, this is what were your thoughts when we began this experiment That it needed it just our industry had reached a Threshold where it needed this kind of representation It needed an industry trade association that spoke for the members and spoke for the community And and every profession reaches that crescendo, you know, where it just it reaches that critical mass where It just kind of comes out of the of the sensibility of the community And and we were lucky enough to think about it and put form to it We each you know put 250 bucks into the original You know slate and and uh off it goes. Yeah now we got over 800 members But we had all worked together before I mean we had worked in another previous iteration of something like that And Yeah, but that wasn't our fault. No, no, and then we just jumped in and said Let's start what we really want to start in the first place. That's right. And and Now we still that was 2012. It's now 2018 and we have we've got 850 members and uh You served as president for three years. So our first president did Dustin Eba served ably for three years And I thought well Okay, he set the press. I'm going to serve for three years too. So but that just ended in May And now Peter Bishop is at the helm and man. He's awesome. Yeah for the first time in the history of world voices organization All of our officers are actually Not american Holy cow. We got a canadian get a brit. Yeah And but at least the president and vice president or a canadian they Be Peter's a brit is british, although he's a british and englishman in new york We have now remesh matani who's uh International the guy lives in the canary islands, but he travels the world. Yep and a real expert and we got really over there Yeah, so it's cool. Yeah, so we've become we're really really focusing on that We meant to focus on that we have been trying to get this off the ground as an international organization And it's hard because we're we're in the united states and we've we found our our home here, but It it is world voices. Yeah Yeah, and and now we are what did you learn as president? That's one of the things I know is being a former president of another organization You'll learn stuff. Well, what were some of the lessons you know, I mentioned this earlier as we were bandering before the show is relationships relationships are The most fruitful and sometimes the most challenging of of our duties, you know dealing with members because they are the source of our inspiration and the work that we do And yet they can be they can be pretty persnickety sometimes. Yes So, you know, you really learn to handle people and I don't necessarily mean to handle I mean just relate to people in a way they understand and and make them understand that we're a volunteer organization We have one paid staffer and she's overworked Yeah, uh, so, you know, we we get to stuff as fast as we can but It does take some some time and effort and you know as volunteers as volunteer board members You and I both know we put put in multiple hours a week on this thing Have been for six years and still do and still do We have a board meeting once a month and we you know do all that business that needs to be done But it's it's been worth it though. Oh gosh the dividends And I and I hear that from our members too. They're happy that we've done this They're they're glad that we're standing in the advocacy sphere. We know that we're standing and and issuing the right Opinions about things that come up and you know, you know what I mean about vdc and And the people that have challenged us in our our outlook I mean we we don't always get everything right, but we really represent our members I think and we listen to them and Yeah, yeah all that it's it's been worth it for me and I know it's been well you dance till vice president I'm not an officer anymore. I'm still on the board and you're president emeritus. They may never get rid of this power Yeah, right Well, look and we're planning for woe vocal in november Yes, and I'm kind of the boots on the ground there in vegas to help with that and and it's it's so much fun It's a lot of work to get a conference off the ground, but it's uh, wow. We got a great conference coming up Yeah, we just had a great conference in toronto too on any kind everybody was raving about that That was good and again dustin eba for president Kind of handled that and we had like 50 some people show up. Yeah, and it was our first international conference Because it was in canada. I think that's another country, isn't it? It is okay your passport You still got to have your passport having lived on the canadian border for 58 years It's like yeah, it's just another county, you know passport Passport here's my driver's license. What do you use to be where you're from buffalo? Where you going toronto? Okay? No problem Does it ever get any easier like conference after conference is I mean like our show it never gets any easier. Yeah No, no, they're never easy and again. It's it's the relationships It's the people you have to deal with and you just have to be good at that and and there's a lot of detail Oh my gosh the details that go into a conference I'm I'm finding out because dustin pretty much handled our last three or four of them by himself And there's there's an advantage to that too because he didn't have to go to committee now We're doing it by committee which takes, you know five or six people agreeing on every decision And that can be a challenge too, but you also get better ideas coming out of that right and more people You know to putting their hands to the work, but we've hired a full-time Or event planner event planner for this. So she's a vegas person She's a familiar with the you know the challenges of throwing a conference in vegas. It's all good Yeah, and and if you've ever won if you've ever watched our show from wo wo con which we've done several times It's it's a great conference. I mean there's there's voice conferences This one is more dedicated to it's member driven. You can only go if you're a member Right and it's about a lot of it is about the organization and what you can do to contribute because that's the thing We're really looking for is not we want to be able to serve our members But we also want to be able to have them Have some say in how things go and that means sometimes when you come up with a great idea. Oh, well, that's great. Can you do that? That's a great idea. Can you help with that? And and really but that's where it comes from because we get the passion from our members And they need to apply that passion to our our ultimate goal, which is making it work Right, so if you're interested in joining world voices, by the way, uh, it's really easy to go to our website Which is world hyphen voices dot org Go there and click on join today Pretty easy green box. Yeah, and we've got lots of cool stuff that we do there I mean, we've we've got the you know, the studio approvals Which are fascinating, uh voiceover.biz, which is our Uh professional membership directory Where it is but it's searchable by genre of stuff that you do And it's a perk for our professional members It's not meant to be the reason why you want to join wovo you join wovo because you want to help us with our mission Uh, there's there's some confusion about that. Sometimes we get, you know Email from people. Well, I want to join vio.biz. Well, you have to be a member first Well, what do I have to do because I want to get on vio. Well vio.biz is just an aside folks It's just a perk. I mean, it's a good one and we love it But but uh, we we want people that are going to be doers for our organization, right? So what do you see is the future of our organization as you were president What were some of the things you saw that or areas that we were probably going to start to cover? I think where we really have to focus some energy is on relations with sag after And solving some of the issues with um Fiverr and Upwork and thumbtack and and you know coming to some kind of consensus that it's not going to go away We've got to come up with a plan for people who are Consistently working on those sites and and you know, we can't we can't be the vio police and say well, you can't do that Right because it's never going to go away. We got to find a way to Incorporate that into the community of voice actors and still keep our professionalism, right? I think it's all one of the most important things that we do is we educate And we educate our members and then the most powerful for us. We have Is our members educating those who hire us? You know, especially when it came to uh, you know to vdc And the stuff with voice bank. I think it was a very effective strategy and a lot of producers have said Oh, they do that. We didn't say don't do business with them. Right. This is what they do. Here are the facts Well, it's kind of up to us You know to be a clearinghouse for giving them information And fodder for them to you ammunition for them to use in their individual contact with their clients, right? You know say hey, have you tried this? You know, here's a here's a document with some ideas You might be able to use and and when you have a conversation with a client or a producer or a prospect Have that conversation one-on-one. That's the that's really it's a grassroots movement. That's gonna it's gonna work in the end Yeah Once again, we're talking with dave crevasse and we're talking about woe phone. We're talking about the voiceover business And uh, what's important to you if you've got a question for dave He'll be happy to answer it throw in the chat room right now and jack will make sure we get that There was a town hall meeting recently That our friends at the global voice acting academy put on You were there and peter peter bishop was on there and the voiceover agent alliance and the voiceover agent alliance How did that go? What went on there? I mean i've read some of the comments, but i actually haven't seen the video We could have filled five hours and there's there was so much impressive intellect On the panel there that we could have just gone forever, but again attention's pants However, I think it really broke a kind of a ground for A future template that we can use over and over and over again like reach round table came very close to that Uh, but I think gvaa plans to do more of that to have these kind of webinars again and again And to have distinguished panelists come on and talk about these challenges and their compensation rates and and in the future of Getting jobs keeping jobs working with clients making them educated Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of yeah topics We can talk about what were some of the things that were said there Uh, we had uh, you know as a view agent alliance We had a couple of agents on board and they they talked about the challenges They have dealing with clients and and how they have that conversation with their clients about this is this is not an appropriate rate Uh, go back to your client and let's you know, let's talk let's talk about a better rate and and how they're getting Um, a little pushback on some of that and you know, it's a changing industry. It's never going to be the same uh, I I'd say 90 percent of voice actors total and nobody knows how many really there are Let's say 90 percent of voice actors don't go to somebody else's studio to record. They have their own home studio as you know Uh, and I think that's really the difference between la SAG after voiceover actors and the other 48 states. I'm putting new york city in there somewhere too. Yeah Um, and so there is this division between the rank and file voice actor who does e-learning at home SAG after is never going to get into regulating Corporate e-learning jobs. They just aren't so but they still pay pretty good So there's this schism. I think between those SAG after and la people and the rest of the 48 states I it's very glaring to me. Um, and even to the point where some SAG after workers say You aren't a professional unless you're in the union and I I take exception with that I think there's some I heard some of them and it's like well I understand what the definition means to them and I get that Um, but there's there's some work to be done there in ironing that out. Yeah What do you think the What do you think that it is that SAG is not is missing here? That they don't have a compelling reason for anybody else to join outside of la Why right? I'm doing great as a non-union actor. I'm making good wage. I'm finding prospects I don't want to have to send my check to a paymaster and have You know 20 taken out for p and h and uh And uh taxes and and have to pay the uh paymaster, you know, I there's just no compelling reason for someone from ohmaha to join the union And so, you know, tell us let us know what why is it important that we should join right? And they're not telling they're saying because it's great now. They've been they've done They've made really good progress with audiobooks. Yeah video games. Okay Now what right what about just well they look at they look out for their la people, right? You know, I'm sorry that I really see the schism I see this This difference between those people in la who are making the really high dollar jobs and voiceover And the guy from perkypsy or the guy from, you know, atlanta who is not a union guy Right, and those are the people that were represented. I think so, you know the guys who are out in the hinterlands and flyover Flyover, yeah, yeah, but there are some exceedingly talented people out there And they're missing a lot of the producers here are missing out on some great talent because they're like Oh, I'll just use the guys we use and in the absence of of any kind of policy there More people are going to turn to up work and Thumbtack and fiver and right because it's so easy the internet is where everybody goes anyway, right? So when you see the p2p being successful or when you see these These uh odesk and places like that being successful. It's because people naturally turn to the internet to get their work It's a freelance gig economy. It is so You can't blame them. I have a little interesting side and I'll I'll keep names anonymous because I just don't want, you know Getting money in trouble, but I was at a set. I was at a a party that was in a studio last week And uh, ran into somebody in the hallway He immediately started questioning maxine who was with me about Uh, her business and what what she's doing there who you know, he was he was curious about what she was up to But more so when he started to realize that she was a voice actor He his questioning went right. I mean right into like are you union? Do you use pay-to-plays and he was very like pointed about it? It was like we don't like those pay-to-plays around here And it feels and it's it's clear that the people that are that are part of the machine here The industry of voiceover the studios the engineers They're the ones that are feeling it probably when There's less of that work being funneled Into those studios and that's they're feeling that they and they're blaming that finally starting to feel the impingment on their business model Yeah, and I think you know the the union probably is noticing but they're so slow to react to it um What we hear is that there is a new vo division within the union and that there are some some wonderfully gifted intellectual people that understand our issues that are part of that committee So yeah, god bless them. Uh, we're we're looking forward to seeing what kind of fruit that bears Yeah, um, but vo has always been kind of a redheaded stepchild for the union What is it a subset of on-camera work so? I think we deserve our own attention. Yeah, well, I mean It would be great if they represented everybody, you know, but they're they make their money off tom cruise And melissa mccarney, but a lot of the issues we have in the rank and file in the other 48 states You know with compensation rates that's answered by the union, right? But why do we want to join the union? I don't see a compelling reason other than that I mean and and they are not going to be able to regulate Corporate e-learning stuff. They're just they're not going to start getting into a contract with g e or Chrysler or they're staying business or government. Yeah, it's just not going to happen. So they're I'm not sure what the answer is. Yeah. Well, it's the answer I I think is Depended on you and me and everybody else but as individuals because this is an entrepreneurial business And I think you know as important as it is that we have an organization And there's the union and that sort of thing It still comes down to people being individual business people and making Their own business model that's going to work best for them as opposed to relying On somebody else with the reminder that we don't work in a vacuum, right? Everything you do as an individual businessman does affect your fellow colleague in voiceover. Right. I was in a twitter Conversation with a gentleman last night about this and and I I kind of grew a little bit weary of seeing his Endless fiver promotions on twitter. And so I said why even charge five dollars is just give it away It's what's the difference and you know, he took umbrage of that statement But uh, and we had into a conversation about it, but this is what I'm saying It's not going to go away. 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Thanks for being with us Go buy a port-a-booth plus right now And we're back with dav crevasse talking about the voiceover business and uh It's fascinating how you've you've All the things that you've done and you know over your career. I mean you did the news And you found yourself in a leadership position with woevo and the community How did you how did you work all that? Yeah, that's a good question. That's why you're retired. I wasn't an intentional thing. It's just kind of developed. Um Uh, I I'm not sure I uh, I go back to that car and venture at california at fafcon with you with the other three guys And we just had this this passion this need for creating this thing and and once once you and I and the other two Were connected with it and had invested our reputations in it. How could we abandon it? You know and as the challenges grew and they and the time commitment grew we stayed with it It just was it was important to us. We still are passionate about it We still believe in it and and so here we are uh, woevo six years later And and uh, we feel like it's having an impact on the community now one of the things that Everybody says you're an expert at you just use this stuff I mean, I'm any time I talk to you. It's like, hey, if you tried this if you tried this and you're always blogging about these Different things that that are out there Uh, you know try this program George once said that he if he gets stuck and without any topics for vobs He goes to my blog I have done that. He has done that see see it's all there. You know, yeah, I just uh, I guess there's uh A part of me that just loves trendy things and the latest new gadget and the shiny But you're not a geek. You just like you just like toys. I know. Well, I like toys But I like to know how they work too And so I kind of just stay on top of that stuff and I when I find new iterations of things Like from cool at a pro 1.5 to you know cc 2018 I just I like to play around with it see what it does sometimes it loses. It's allure pretty quickly, but um Yeah, just yeah, I'd like love to play with the latest new thing Well in that in that vein in that spirit jdk Uh And all of his kids What's the most effective way to use twitter as a voice over talent in europe? You know, it's the most challenging social media platform to voice actors. I see it time and again I don't I don't even mess with twitter. I hate twitter What do I do with twitter? All right, you know people don't know what to do with it and it is a challenge because they well for one thing They keep changing all the uh the algorithms and then they keep changing the platform and and but so does facebook So uh twitter twitter is a conversation if you want to be on twitter You need to have your brand be consistent and you need to join in the conversation You need to answer you need to Talk you need to be in conversation with people who approach you if you want to use it as a tool for prospecting Start chasing after the people who make decisions about hiring voice actors start chasing them and start having a conversation with them Don't come to them right away and say hey, you can hire me on fiber Go to them and say I really like the last product. You did. I like the commercial I know you guys worked hard on that or something start a conversation next thing you know You gain some trust and after you've gained some trust. Maybe the jobs will come How do you start a conversation on twitter? Well, it's easier on twitter than it is say on the phone I mean, I call people on the phone. They're like, wow, Dave crevasse called me. Well, why not? We used to do that that was the only thing right, you know now So I think social media is actually easier to approach people You know Anonymously or or to find you know for the first time as a first time usage Yeah, just just open it up. What can you lose? I mean If you know their business as well as you do being a voice actor knowing a production house knowing their business They're going to welcome you your knowledge and your understanding of their business They love that. Yeah, it's amazing how many times you know, you book a job or someone will call you I found you on the internet I like your twitter feed. Well, you should ask where they find you know, if you get a job out of nowhere I asked but no, where'd you find me? Where'd you find me? I mean, was it my website? I need to know was it my seo that was working was it my twitter feed that was working? It's a really important to have those metrics. Yeah Jack Daniel has a question and seeing as jack daniel that he's over there Oh and since the audience cam is now operating in perfect form Jack you may now ask your question. Thanks, dan. You're welcome Dave Um, I do that every time every guest that it's not funny. It wasn't funny then. I'll just keep you But Dave regarding Wovo other than with spanish-speaking countries where I know participation is growing fast Where do you see hot spots of interest and vo around the world? Well, it's easy for us to make the move into the uk because it's english-speaking and that's you know It's great for us american people and the canadiens as well. Uh, but we see australia israel spain germany You know first world countries that that are You know active in their marketing and in the gig economy Uh internationally engaged That's where we see us moving into easiest now russia that's going to be a challenge china Again, you know, it's uh, it's it's kind of an unknown to us. Um, but you know, we take small steps and And grow as we can yeah, and and there's obviously a voice over business in russia because we we keep yeah I keep seeing russian letters in my my email Hacking on the one yes You know usually when people say what's what's the problem? Well, it's either windows 10 or it's the russian. Yes, but does that answer your question? Yeah, okay. Yeah, I you know We just we just have to keep chipping away at it because we think there's a boy Would people find out that they can be part of wovo from uragway or or bolivia? They're excited because it gives them legitimacy as part of an international organization We love that and we welcome them. Yeah And it's just fun to talk to them. And we've got members. We've learned so much. Oh my gosh Philippines and yeah now canary islands and turkey. Yeah george next question This one comes in from d box d box. Hey d box Dave what are some work habits and tricks you learned from doing news and tv that carried over to doing vo So the the magic of tv is that you are On camera and people get to know you and feel comfortable with you and begin to trust you if you're consistent in your approach and your branding And that's what I would say you need to bring with you in your voiceover work is to be consistent in your branding Be personable be helpful pay it forward offer to be a resource Be friendly You know, I'm 65 and I could easily slip into the grumpy old man syndrome Well, I remember back in 1952. We didn't do that kind of thing But you know, you can't do people don't want to hear that they want to be they want you to be friendly I'm I always try to you know have this appearance of being helpful and friendly and at least to listen Uh, and I think that works in your favor in the end. Hmm. Okay. Well, sometimes I mean, you know, there's a lot of us old timers that But like to talk about that stuff and when you're talking to a client that was also there in that era, you know You can find some common ground there if you find, you know, a client who you know Graduated from the same college you did or has the same kind of dog breed you have I mean, they're Use that I mean use that as a point of relation But don't go into back in 78. Oh, wait a minute. I I think was 76 or was it 75? I don't remember But anyway, but you know people Glossing over you just you know This this the culture as it is now is the attention span is so short and people are very Self-absorbed in their careers and you you want to just get to their interests and what they need Is there anything technical From the two from the two worlds that cross pollinate other than just the fact that you're involved in technology And know how to use a view meter You know, I it's a it's been a double-edged sword because After doing news for 35 years or more. I've I've Mastered this delivery that has a certain cadence that that at the same time is very deliberate and very understandable But it's not conversational And and you probably hear it in my delivery right now And I've I've had to get coaching to try to lose that and I'm not sure it's been entirely successful because I keep hearing Uh in feedback that sounds too robotic, you know, I'm like, well, okay, but Did you understand it? Well, it doesn't matter. They want conversational You're doing the same thing that the folks from radio, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, and it's a common it's a common criticism. I understand so It's been it's been good and bad But I think in general it's led me to an understanding that Attention spans are short people want a decent presentation and they want to they want to hear about themselves They want to know what what you can do to help them. Yeah, how many demos do you have? How many different genres? Uh, I probably have 10 or 12. I just I just did a new news promo affiliate news promo demo Because I figure well, if there's any Area of voiceover that would accept a news delivery It would be news affiliate news promo, right? So I'm going after that and in fact pro max bda is in vegas this week Tomorrow i'm gonna go try to knock on some on some doors and and talk to some people and maybe get it. It's a tough business because TV news budgets are Yeah, they're dropping and uh, you know, if they if uh If a network, uh, or or a corporate wonk who decides about promo voices can get you to voice 50 stations for a lower price. Yeah, they're gonna do that instead of choosing individual ones and getting optimal prices for it It's it's yeah, there's there's some challenges. Yeah, what other areas would you like to examine documentary? I feel like that's probably something that I could really do well and as a journalist you probably have So, you know, I tried the audio books. I really that's why I got into voiceover originally was audio books and Uh, I enjoy them. They are a challenge to do uh performance wise creative creatively But man, there's so much work involved and and and I wish the pay was better I you know, I ultimately gave it up. I did about 50 titles And I ended up giving it up and I understand why people are passionate about it and why they want to do them I did I do them occasionally. I did one last month For an outfit that was just out of nowhere. They just dropped it in my lap and I asked for the top price and and they They they agreed to it. So that's worth my while Uh, but otherwise I try to stay away from them because it just takes too much time and doesn't really return on the investment Yeah Fred north who had a question earlier said Dave, you were in the union as a tv anchor Some of my tv friends here in louisville are so and that's true. There are markets where unions are prevalent and often it's international brotherhood of electrical workers Or other communication workers unions and sag after is in the bigger markets LA new york miami chicago those kind of places I never had to join the union as a broadcaster I never worked at stations where the union was strong for performers or talent as they called it loosely And so I never really had to join sag after Or sag or after as as a broadcast talent Just never worked in one of those markets. How did you get into the union that? Uh, so before they merged, uh, I had already I've done a couple of film credits And I had been taft heart lead in a couple of times You know, they only let you do that once or twice and then say look you got to choose Uh, so I joined before the union fees got really expensive and before they merged. I joined as an after Uh member and now i'm sag after yeah Now you had a you had which movie was it because I remember seeing the clip Of you being on tv doing the news casino casino, right and uh, Robert De Niro I was in a scene with robert de Niro, but I I never met him figure that one out Yeah, so I was in a tv monitor with him in the room and it was me on the tv with him in the room Uh, so I was terribly typecast as a newscaster, but what a kick it was doing that that show I'll bet it was but it was it's fun. Um Thanks so much for being with us tonight. This is way overdue. Yeah, it absolutely is It's a delight. There's so much more we could talk about but you know that stuff you and I'll talk about on the phone You want to see how they do the show? I've been watching for the last couple hours as they prepared for the show All the work that goes into it Is there anything these guys work really hard at this show? It's it's amazing. It's good stuff You guys do a good job. Well, we have fun doing it, but it's fun having great guests Hey, are you kidding me? I love it. All right. Thanks. Dave crevasse. How can they get a hold of you? Corvo.com. Thank you. You are vio.com. Alrighty. Thanks for being with us. All right. All right, George And I'll be right back to wrap things up and maybe say a couple of other things. So stay tuned. 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That's voice over x t r a dot com And we're back and we are definitely back for the time being anyway Uh, thanks again to uh, Dave crevasse a uh, a great friend who I talk to fairly regularly Just because of business and stuff like that, but what a great guy to have on the show Really is like one of us. He's even put me up at his place one time. I mean put me up there. Put us both up there Yeah, so so cool, you know sharing a room with you, which you know, and I shared a room with him And At least there were you know, we know each other that way that well we have shared rooms a couple of times Yes Yeah, and I I roomed with him at vio Atlanta this last time and you were always the last one Oh, when we did that two years ago or two years ago you roomed with me at vio Atlanta And you were always the last one to come back. Yes He was the one that was out and i'm like i'm going to bed I like to party at those things people like to talk to me and you know, it's like they buy the beer Oh, you're set. That's right. I'll probably never get another free drink the rest of my life Next week on this show and we've been wanting this gentleman on our he's been on the show many times Yeah, but from new york, that's right remotely, you know remotely, you know via zoom But no he lives here in la now and he's coming to visit us in our studio big-time star, you know on a an emmy award-winning television show jane diversion Uh, the virgin it might be a version of a virgin Anthony mendez will be here great guy. Uh, it'll be fun having you here in the studio and we'll we'll uh We'll talk with him about all the new stuff that's going on with him because he keeps busy, doesn't he? He's a busy actor and he knows his way around the studio too. He he loves tech Yeah, he will talk tech with us all day. All right, then we'll talk. We'll talk more tech We'll talk about the mic he uses and Absolutely, in fact the the only time I ever met him in real life like it was at aes The audio engineering society trade show here in la and that's that interesting timing that was He was telling me i'm here in la because i'm being casted in this new show Called jane the virgin and i'm here to meet the Cast or whatever it was. I can't remember what it was. You'll tell us the story anthony But it was a cool moment to see him because he was like it was that moment when he got cast Yeah, I met him at voiceover mastery last year and He came up to me Anthony mendez great to meet you finally You know and we it's like you know the person when you've interviewed them several times and you know exactly what it is They're about and stuff, but he's probably got some new stuff going on So that'll be really exciting. So make sure you're here for that Speaking of cool people that we've run into lately. Yes at that party last week the one I mentioned earlier Corey Burton was there. Really? You don't know who Corey Burton is Type your name type his name into imdb and have your jaw Hit the floor. This guy is he's incredible. Yeah, and he started working professionally as a voice actor when he was 17 But what's interesting about this guy and why I know about him is he's because he's very Vocal about his tastes and things like microphones right and he goes so far as to actually can carry or bring in a suitcase His own mic that he brings to his sessions at disney. Hmm. He doesn't like the mics. They have at disney He brings his own microphone This guy is amazing in but super humble and nice and I cornered him Yeah, and hopefully we get him on the show because he was a little reticent about the scheduling the challenge of it I'm sure he's invited to be on a lot of podcasts and there's so many now in voiceover and acting and animation Right. Um, we're working on it. Catherine's Being gentle but firm You know and Catherine's amazing because she's just persistent right I mean she she will follow up with people until they say yes. We will get you Who will get you on the show here Who are our donors of the week and we thank them At the front and at the back. That is a darn good question. Um Oh and actually as I'm looking at the donors, I see a question came in at the 11th hour actually from tim retledge Uh, I'll read it real quick. Maybe somebody can answer because we got a little bit extra time. What's your take on? Uh diffusers in home studios people talk about acoustic treatments panels bass traps But I don't hear a lot about diffusers Do you need it? Do you need a diffuser panel in your home studio setup? Does it depend on the size of the studio? Thoughts well, I'm not going to go into a ton of detail, but we we can Sort of discuss this. Okay. So go ahead. Yeah. So diffusers are generally Reflective surfaces that break up the sound into a million directions Bookshelf full of books awesome diffuser. Yeah, great diffuser. You got to pull some of the titles out Yeah, you don't want to get encyclopedia Britannica over and over you don't want to wall You want to have random awesome? It takes the sound and it scatters it around Does it work well in a small voiceover booth? I have to be honest I've spent very little time playing with experimenting with studying diffusers in small studios The idea being that it will make a small room sound a little bit larger and that theoretically should be good But I don't I haven't had a lot of chance to play with it Right, but the thing is is if you look at your average wedge It is both a diffuser and an absorber. That's the intention That's why it has that corrugated shape at least this one does right exactly You know how much diffusing it really does versus absorbing I think aurelix is the only one that really knows that because it's their proprietary design, right? This is primarily considered absorbing um, but You know that any other reason I think diffusers aren't that popular is just because they're a lot more expensive Right if you buy a diffuser panel, they're much more complicated to build And so they tend to cost a lot more, but um You know to be continued Yep To be because I I need to I need to focus on that some more. We'll find we'll find out. Yeah, this will make a nice hat Domations by the way why we're here tracy h reynolds mage pro which is uh thomas mation um Man, what else we got here because we got a lot of them. We got it. We got to say goodbye to see you jack Thanks for coming um He tried to sneak out, but yet I had to say goodbye Eric Eric Coney These are names guys and gals you hear them every week. They're amazing to donate the way they do Eric Eric Coney, Andrew Kaufman I think all of those folks donate almost every single week going on down here We also had donations from patty gibbons. She's on thanks. There's subscriptions sending in a few bucks every month Brian page also Um You know what some of these amounts of money are so small that they probably just completely forget that they even some They may not even watch the show, but they send this money anyway, which is really nice. Thank you. Like my dad five bucks Thanks, dad. Thanks. I'm not supposed to say the dollar amounts, but what are you gonna do? I once Amanda fellows sustaining member um a lot of names that I've said before because You guys are really kind to us and we appreciate it And if you want to support us that way if you want to give us a little extra bump You like the guests like something we talked about that week particularly Right there on the page. I think it's below us. It might move. We have a new website coming So next subscription button made me a different place, but just uh, we appreciate it. Yeah Thanks for your donations and and and it helps and if you've noticed the show technically is a lot tighter now It's coming along. We had a few issues over the early powder of 2018 Yes, but I think we have them all solved. I really have to thank everybody that comes and watches this show live It's very very. I mean as you should probably know, it's very important to us that we do the show live Yes, and we go to great pains to do it to make this show happen live I mean it is quite a technical hurdle challenge and And some of you have sat through some not so great shows technical this and delays and Whatever and we really appreciate you guys sticking around with us. Yeah through all that It means a lot and you know our audience is kind of split We have people watching on facebook live, right? Which is fantastic and we have people watching at v obs.tv, right? You know, so there's people in a few different places So, um, it's interesting to me because we it's harder for us to really see Where everybody is, you know, I go, oh, there's a few people there, but then everybody else is over here You know, it's interesting. All right now again if you need help with your home studio You can go to george dan Two flavors to choose from I won't tell you which is which they're two two two home studio experts in one Uh, you can go to george the tech dot com or our home voiceover studio dot com All right, happy to have you and we'll tell you all about it when you talk to us Uh, let's see here. Um Can we go talk about this one? Oh, I add a little note in here I just wanted this something came up recently a kind of email if you bought Services from me, you know to work with me specifically from somebody else namely edge studio Send send me or if you if you never claim those credits because we offer deals and right just we just send me an email george at george the tech dot com just just send me the receipt That you got from the shopping cart or whatever. I will be happy to honor that Some people ordered things three four years ago and have Just remembered again They did that Please just send it to me. I just let me know I'd be happy to help schedule in and get that taken care of for you guys. Alrighty We also have show logs if you're watching the show, uh on on youtube, but tomorrow or tomorrow morning or a year from now Show logs are usually with that and it'll give you a time by time breakdown of what was talked about and when so While you might want to watch the whole show which is entertaining Every second of the way you can go by and look go by the show log and it'll tell you what's going on there Uh, let's see here. And I think the show logs will also be Featured here on our website. Uh, we do the show live every monday night most every monday night And if you'd like to be in our audience It's easy to do if you're in the greater los angeles area like dave crevassia Just happened to be in the greater los angeles area today But he was a guest and then we upgraded him to guest. Yeah So, uh No, that's how it works. Yeah, uh, if you'd like to be here in the studio, we'd be glad to have you And just write to us at the guys at v obs.tv. Tell us who you are if I know you I might let you in No, we'll we'll We'll give you the secret handshake and let you come into the clubhouse. Um, let's see show us your booths guys Uh, we keep asking you guys take pictures of your homestead. Be proud of them You've taken time to build these things and help us help you and again While people don't need to see how the sausage is made We want to see how the sausage is made and we want to be in your home studio Yeah, it could be anonymous if you don't want us if you don't want to admit that's your studio All right, tell us somebody else's did whatever just send it in we'd love to have it Even if it's just blankets, exactly. It doesn't it doesn't matter. I'm just we want to see it It's fun to have those studios behind us. Alrighty. Well, we need to thank our sponsors Harlan Hogan's voiceover essentials Should I read along? You could okay voiceover extra source elements Vio to go go voice actor websites dot com and j. Michael Collins demos All right Well, we need to also thank marcie for letting us be out here in the the garage former in-law apartment now Voiceover body shot with air conditioning with air conditioning, which will get more and more important as the year goes on Uh, kathryn curtain. We've thanked her also for doing being a great producer and getting us a great Great guest jack daniel who ran out. Thanks jack For doing the chat room and of course our floor producer technical director and all about fine gal sumer lino for Dealing with all of the nonsense that goes on here and making it all happen and it gets better better every week Can't beat that Uh, also, uh jack to goldie for the show notes and lee pennie simply for being lee pennie Yeah, i'll see that also jack daniel does beyond the chat room. Oh, yeah We forget to say he's helped us build up the youtube channel She's he's really found a lot of little ways to make the show better. So we really appreciate that man. Thank you brother All right. Well, that's gonna do it for us tonight. You want more? Sorry. We got to go have dinner somewhere Anyway, uh, that's gonna do it for us. It's a tough business. We're here to help you Every week here on voiceover body shop. I'm dan lennard and i'm george wedham and this is voiceover body shop or vio BS have a great week everybody. Bye now