 So I've been training, like I said, I don't know, like five years, something like that, in three years, I was pretty much inconsistent. We're losing all the time. I've been trying many different chat rooms with Sykes and all that. Before I was talking shit about Sykes, but actually I'm thankful that I met him because he was the one who actually showed us that you don't have to be super smart, super rich to enter the stock market and try to find a way to make some money from the stock market. I didn't find consistency with Sykes, and I was looking around many different chat rooms here and there, just about to give up. MIC showed up, Bob was talking about how he wants to change the whole situation about trading, to show the right way how to make money, use risk management and all the other stuff. He was actually talking the real thing, real trading, where to sell, buy, whatever, no matter, just blinds. Like I said, I tried it a couple of times, a couple of weeks. I found some consistency there, but I was really low in the money back then, so I needed to go back, do my job, whatever I was doing, I was driving back then, and I was studying a lot when I was driving. I saved pretty much at least two years, like Bob said, two years for paying bills and all of the other shit that you don't have to worry about. And yeah, I started with really like 100 shares, 500 shares total or something, and slowly I was pushing size and trying to make more up here and there, having also losing, but as long as you have your risk management intact, and if you know how much you're going to lose, you're fine. You're literally fine. Okay, we have gone over a lot of things so far. I guess like, because you are killing it right now, you have some great charts in the room. Not going to lose, not going to lose. Yeah, so I mean, maybe you can kind of go a bit into kind of like, I know you do use the MIC process, but I guess like, you see a stock kind of get on your scanner, it kind of pops up. What's your kind of process to kind of like evaluate something like that? And then how do you kind of go about like selecting lines and stuff like that? Because I know that's going to be what people want to know, because you know, you post your charts in the room, people love them. People are going to be really interested, I think, in your kind of process and kind of your mindset towards kind of, maybe you see like a hot chick kind of pop up on your screen, you want to take some short, you feel it's a bit overextended or something like that. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but just kind of your processed gear towards that type of stuff. I mean, I have many different strategies that I use. I use at least seven, eight, I will say, strategies that I call, you know, whatever you call it. But so for example, first of all, I don't have any scanner, so I don't do none of the scanner, zero scanner, whatever you guys post there in the morning, like Tom or other guys, you know, Joe or something, they're posting it. And then I kind of figure out what is hot, you know, what is like, what is up, you know, what is 20, 30, 50% up, you know, then I put a ticker on my main screen, spread it out, you know, I put it like time frame, sometimes three days, sometimes five days, sometimes six months, a year, two years. And I see where it's like a good resistant point, you know. I don't do nothing crazy, nothing like else than MIC, you just pretty much, you know, the bow, whatever, everything is trading fish videos and bow golden, I guess those are my favorite too. I watch them almost every day even, you know, like every day or pretty much all the time. And so what I do, you know, I, for example, have a specific share amount that I want to use for that day, for a ticker, I know max loss in that ticker, I'm going to use on that like specific loss in that ticket that I'm going to use. And I see the lines where like good resistant points from the previous one, you know, and people see, you know, like on the front side, many people ask me like, how you short front side? First of all, I don't use like big size on the front side, you know, it's only like 30, 40%. If I see big resistance that I might use a little bit more, but I will have wider risk. But usually, you know, I end up really bad when you fight a trend, you know, so you don't want to do that. You always want to like, you know, use okay size that you're going to be able to add more, do other stuff. And a lot is channeling, you know, so I get a little bit, I mean, I don't use crazy size, it's like 1000 to 10,000 shares, you know, that's, and 10,000 shares usually is when I'm down, you know, when I'm averaging up to kind of, you know, get my position better, you know, like better. So and all with that amounts, you can make it not easy, but you can make pretty much 1000 to 3000 bucks. Yeah, that's what I do as well. And not for me for now, you know, like, I find some consistency, not going to ruin it. And I'm going to just push it, go slowly, don't race much. And, you know, I'm fine losing to 3000 bucks in a day, even five, not big deal, you know, because I know I'm going to make it in a day or two days, three days a week, no matter. So yeah, man, I mean, that's like a short, you know, way of talking something. I noticed that you did talk about kind of the resistance from like, either the previous day or off a daily chart when it's on the front side. Yeah, I think that's also important to know, because like, when you kind of get that front side move before the top is set, the only lines that you really have to work with are off the daily chart and are off those kind of previous levels, you know, but once the top is set, then you have those other time of levels that have been kind of drawn out for you that you're able to kind of take a trade off of. Okay, James is back now, what's up? Right, talking about the beginning of his journey and just stuff like that. Okay. And just like kind of like picking lines after the top is set, that's what I'm kind of talking about right now. And so, you know, so is, so is that kind of your process as well, because that's kind of what I do is like, if we don't have kind of clear edge lines from like a top being set, then I'm going to look at kind of the daily chart and things before. That's kind of what you do as well. I mentioned that I use a lot like a float, you know, you don't want to mess with a low float with a size. So the smaller float, the last size you have to use, because low float is jumpy as crazy, you know, it can go dollars like nothing, you know, go through all of the lines, even if there is a big resistance line on the left or year or whatever, one is slow float that thing can rip like nothing. So you have to be really careful like watching the float. And I also don't like high institutional ownership, you know, I really don't like that I usually lose on that kind of setups. So I trade them too, but I look outer outer lines, like all the way like, you know, like fantasy on top of fantasy or like, you don't mess with them. So I had to short a lot of first resistance, you know, I figure out that's like really good strategy for shorting, you know, like when the top when the stop or like if this is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Second time you're shorted, you have pretty fine risk, you know, like, so yeah, just place order. I know it's scary for most people like, hey, they asked me like, how are you doing, you know, here and there, you always pretty fine your risk, you know, food, whatever share size you're fine and add like two, three, four ads. I like to have more ads because I don't want to miss movie, you know, so I have all the way down and all the way up, you know, and, for example, I'm going to share this one, I might help someone, I use, so the bottom, the bottom shorts are like smaller size and then I'm kind of doubling up, not all the time, but for example, I use 500, I use 1000, I use 1000, I use 3000, if I have 5000 max position, yeah, or wherever six, seven thousand shares, you know, but it's like I said, you know, I don't go full size immediately, I always like, you know, making 50 bucks, 100 bucks, 200 bucks over and over all the time adds up. I mean, I made like, I'm going to share, I don't care, I made like, what is today, what is the one, it kind of fucked me up a little bit, but I made like 1500 today and I'm good, man, you know, it's, it's not in crazy day, nothing but pays the bills and, you know, good day, you know, sometimes it's much better, sometimes it's like, you know, last but not the greenest greens. No, I do, I like that idea of like, you're kind of like lagging a little bit, I was, is it fine now? Yeah, keep going, you can talk now. Yeah, sorry, I don't know why it's, I mean, I have full, whatever, I guess my biggest question for you was like, I, everyone that messages me like about questions about your chart, Stefan, pretty much everyone wants to know like how you're so confident because sometimes it even looks like there's no clear resistance level or, you know, sometimes you're like, you're hitting tops of things consistently that the chart is even formed like, I know you're going back and seeing that, but how long did it take you to get that confidence to like, size into those trades and actually take them as they came because you're matching bounce trades. Like I said, I don't use crazy size on the front side, you know, when you see me like catching the top, it's like, you know, I don't use, I use 1000 shares the most, like three bullets, 300 shares and I'm fine, man, starts go down 10, 20 cents, I'm taking off like 50 bucks, 100 bucks. I mean, sometimes I go with bigger size, but most of the time it's like 1000 to 3000 shares the most, you know, that I'm using one front side or something, you know, so I mean, I'm pushing myself trying to figure out, you know, the ways how I'm gonna expand my thing, you know, I know my setups where I make the most of money that that candle, like through with up and then pushing like, when they're when the stuff is like, my favorite setup is so that that candle when they go through with up, yeah, and then when when the when the stars go up, I short every pop because you have pretty fine risk and there is a lot of longs stuck on top. So there's a lot of people who wants to get out, you know, for small loss or break even, you know, so I'm popping that one. So the biggest thing with you that what's good with you is like, I think the biggest lesson that I think all traders should take is that one, you aren't trying to hammer size every single trade, right? And that allows you to be comfortable, right? Like you're you have wiggle room, you're not so nervous if the stock goes against you because what I love about your charts is they never seem uncontrolled, but you always seem to be on top of the trade and like always in the driver's seat. And I think that's where newer traders really struggle is they get so spooked and the stock goes against them. But you've learned to size so comfortably that you don't ever seem to panic when it goes against you. For that, but, you know, the last size you use that I mean, for some people, 10,000 shares is like nothing, you know, for some people, so you just you just have to find sweet spot where it's good for you. What makes you money, you know, like, I guess I don't compete with no one. I really like when people say it's telling me that, you know, like you have similar charts with Bao and it is lately it is like that, you know, but like I said, I find my sweet spot shorting outer outer lines with a less size. And even the last size when you can like get and make like nice money, you know, 100 to 300 bucks in a trade and a clip over and over. I mean, come on, like, you know, it's not that bad and adds up in over time over, I don't do nothing than trading, you know, I only trade. So I have all day myself. So yeah, I just wait. Yeah. How did you find your sweet spot with size? Like, how did you get to like understand like, okay, these are the levels I'm comfortable using this size at? Did you ever have a moment where you oversized or like you got screwed up for that? Yeah, every day. I mean, before, like I was really pushing size that, you know, I had my name back without since I was driving that truck and I was willing to lose 10 even 15,000 in a day, you know, it would be a lot. But you know, I'll be, I still had some money in the back, I'll be okay, you know, but I did a couple of times lost like 15, 20, 30 K man, even more, you know, I don't want to talk about it was really bad, you know, cost me like a lot, you know, at some point I actually needed to go back again and drive track again, clear my mind. And that was the hardest part. Actually, I lost 180,000 in three days last year. So yeah, and I was really kind of fucked up because I lost almost 90 80 90% of what I made a whole year. So I lost it in three days. That was really hard for me. Yeah, I was like lock in a room, you know, I was like, it was really hard, you know, to for me to go again, you know, and I was like, fuck this shit, you know, I'm gonna go back track again, make some money, clear my mind. I know what I'm doing. I know that I can make money, you know, so I was like, I'm gonna clear my mind a little bit when tracking again one month to two, three, I don't know how long it was. And when I came back, I was like, okay, you know, you don't want to play with more size that you know, you were comfortable to do. So I put myself max daily last 10 K, and that's all like, if I lose 10 K, that's done no more finish, I can I can enter the trade and, you know, I now be able to make that money back. So that's most important thing to lock yourself a certain amount that you will be able to make that in a week or two weeks or something like that, you know, you don't hurt that much. Mentally, how did you get back from that? Because that's like a lot of money for some people, right? That's like, it was that's honestly, I came from Serbia, man, like, all of that money, it's like, a lot, you know, I never had a, you know, like, it's just a lot of money, you know, and I was like, it was so hard for me, like I said, you know, I didn't talk to no one pretty much, you know, I didn't say no one when that happened, I was really quiet with myself, you know, trying to figure out what I'm gonna do, how I'm gonna get out of the hole. So yeah, I went tracking all by myself, it was so fucking hard, you know, but yeah, I was like, I want to do this shit, you know, I want to trade, I love trading, gives me a lot of freedom and gives me stuff that I want. So, you know, making 1000 bucks doing pretty much nothing, I mean, not nothing, but what we do, we click buttons and I'll say here, it's not that, you know, that is crazy. Like, did you have friends and family? Did they know like how much of a loss you took? Or did you kind of keep that private for a while? I told everyone after that happened. So, you know, they're like, you're gambler, you're here and there, you know, you should quit, you should do here and there, but I always believe myself and even right now, I mean, it's hard, man, it's freaking hard, we all know that this shit is not easy, you know, but if we have a good risk management, if you follow the rules that MIC creates, there's so many rules, man, and you have to, you have to trade after 1030. I mean, he might trade, but he never caused a charge or something, probably he doesn't trade. Man, like, you know, and that's one of the biggest rules for a short selling, you know, don't short after 1030, wait 2 p.m. It's like, you know, reversal hours here and there. For me, it's still hard to get away from the desk, you know, after 11 or something, but I do when I make money that I want, I leave the house and I'm done. I turn off, you know, and it's really hard because it's never enough, you know, no matter how much you make, it will be always, oh man, I want a little bit more, I want a little bit more, and then after 20 minutes, you are like zero or minus whatever, you know, so it's always a battle, man. I just have one quick question, and it has to do with the kind of losses that you just talked about, because like, I mean, there's a lot of things that definitely can be learned. I mean, I just have like a couple questions. I don't mean to hammer you on this topic, because I know what it is. I want to dig into that loss. From me personally, as a trader, I mean, maybe you could talk about maybe your mindset, like leading up to those days, like, did you feel like any pressure to make money, or did they just come out of the blue, or like maybe there was just something going on that you didn't realize? Because like, I mean, I find like, if I look back in my trading career, and I have one big, big loss that was accidental, that I didn't mean to lose that much money at all, I didn't mean to be that oversized in the fucking trade, like that was fucking bullshit, but like, as far as my other like, kind of like big-ish losses go, they always came around, like, if there was like an issue in like relationships, or just like, if I wasn't really taking my health seriously, and I was just like drinking and on a run, or if there was just shit like that going on, or I had a bill or something like that. But was there anything kind of leading up in your like, life or lifestyle that kind of maybe triggered you to go into that zone or anything like that maybe? Honestly, my life was pretty much okay back then. I didn't have anything crazy about it, you know, like, I was just fighting the trend, you know, trying to, I was actually longing first time when I lost 68, I was longing, man, like, and I tried to cash the top, it went all the way underweave up, and I was like, man, this shit has to bounce. I started with like, stock was $19, and I started with 500,000, 2,000 shares, I think like 4,000 shares or something, and then my Max, Max, whatever I add, he was like, I think like around, around 350,000, you know, $350,000 with margin and all that. And at 40,000, then that day, and went a little bit more down, and I started like, like, covering like, selling the selling my position, and you know, the stock was still going down. And as soon as I saw everything, stock bounce, like after hour bounce all the way up, it was some bullshit, the Bill Gates companies, something Bill Gates was pumping that shit or something, I don't know. That was a COVID one, wasn't it? Yeah. So first day, I lost 60K, then second day, I was like, man, that's, that's a lot, that's a lot. I'm going to make it back, you know, bomb again, like slamming the sides, didn't even know 100% all emotional, 100% all emotional trading. I was down again, 10K, I was like, no man, I can't take that loss, bomb again, 50K, like that. I was shorting, it went against me, like nothing. And then third day, I was down, like, I mean, I think 100K or 90K or something like that. And then third day, I was like, fuck it, you know, this is the day that I'm going to give it back. And then again, you know, like messing all around, doing crazy shit. And I was like sitting here in the room like that. And I was like, man, I saw my account, I saw everything. And I was like, man, what the fuck does happen? You know, it was so bad. Like four days, I, I have a roommate, you know, he didn't even like, he didn't realize he just figured out that I was quiet. But, you know, I still go out, play tennis, do my shit, play basketball, you know, but it was so bad, like hard in my mind too. But yeah, I caught it, like I said, I don't want to talk about that. It's done. It's over. I don't want to put myself in a position like that no more. I have my risk. I have like Max Daly on a, on a broker level. I have Max Daly on a ticker. I have many other like stuff around, you know, so it won't happen no more. I just want to look for the better trade, good trade and making money. Longs that you lost on or were a couple of them? No, it was, it was one long and two, in two shorts, one long and two short. Yeah. Because that, I mean, a year ago, like about that whole like a year and a half, however long ago, market was crazy. We had extreme volatility to the upside, extreme volatility to the downside. I remember a ton of those stocks would just go up, have a ton of chasers, and then they just wouldn't bounce because we have so many people who bought at the highs and were stuck that every single pop would just get sold off and sold off and sold off. And everyone's like, oh, why is first bounce not working? And I'm like, bro, we have so many people who are longing at prices like $19, $20 that by the time it even reaches $16 and $15 and they're underwater, you think there's anyone buying? There's not even shorts underwater because they've all got squeezed on the front side because the moves were so fucking insane. And that's why I was like, like boys, like you need to be shorting or you need to be longing first bounces on kickers that no one knows, not on like the 18th day of frigging CCIV or whatever these frigging crazy Kodak or these crazy stocks that like we have players all over, you know? And that was what was most insane to me is the amount of volatility to the upside and the lack of bounces on the downside and just the lack of follow through on just kind of like just for any type of bounce on the upside really. It's that day when they happen, my biggest loss, I never long. I do from time to time, like sometimes I long here and there, but because I have zero long strategies, like literally zero. So I would love to have at least one or two to kind of figure out some stuff. I'm pretty good with covers. So I was thinking, why you don't go long when you cover your short position, you know, but a lot of our covers do seem to match up when they when it bounces, you know, I mean, I'm sure if you double long, I love your commentary, you know, you're really helpful in a room, you know, like when the people are saying, when you're saying like, hey, you know, this is not what I like, you know, I'm like, okay, what is the line that I want if the party doesn't want, you know, honestly, like, I know you put so much time, you know, in tape reading and do other shit, you know, and it's just, it's, it's like when you alert, I mean, alert, when you say, hey, this is not what I'm looking for or something, bro, I'm there, you know, I'm like waiting for that pop or whatever. We have to take team to law, bro, like, I don't know if that's the right word to fucking say, but a lot of instances, we're both in the cat. And like, well, even today, I was like, I wouldn't want a short under five on PRPO that I literally tagged you on. We ended up going to 530, I don't know if you shorted when it got above highs. But I remember I messaged you and I was like, bro, like, or I just tagged you on the chat. And I was like, bro, I wouldn't want to. There was another time on PRPO to where it was trading at like six bucks. And I was like, I'm not longing this breakout or whatever. I'd rather just short it. And I believe we both nailed the short. I just didn't post it, but we both nailed the fucking short on it. And I mean, it's dope because like, I just, I love those like, I really love those like in the moment plays where you have a good read on something and you're able to share it. Like, because there are times, right? Yeah, that comes with screen time a lot. You know, honestly, that that comes a lot with screen time. Yeah, there is a line here and there. But, you know, sometimes just feeling, you know, like, it is like a little bit of feeling in a trade, you know, it's not all the time like, Hey, black and white, there is many things in between purple, yellow, green, all around, you know, and it's up to you what is your risk in a moment. And man, I love trading. Honestly, like trading is so freaking way because it's so hard to kind of figure out, you know, the way how to, you know, I think it's true because like your size also like the sizing that you talked about a lot of it for me at least comes on when I can get a good read. Like, if there if I have a really good read on like, I think a stuff is coming or I think whatever's coming, I'm okay with taking some short, you know, I'm okay with that. If I really think a bounce is coming, I'm okay with sizing in a little bit larger because I just have that extra conviction in my gut. And that's what really comes with experience. I will support it 100% to be honest. Yeah, 100%. I think something I'm super interested in is like, Stephanie, you have such a clear appetite for risk, right? Like, like, I don't know many people who can throw on size like that early on and like not be terrified, right? So like how you have conviction now, but how do you keep yourself from like diving back into that level of like risk and like not being like afraid? Yeah. Again, we probably talking about my loss, you know, that I have crazy loss. Honestly, I was 100% sure that this thing is going to bounce. And I use size that I was like, you know, not comfortable at all, you know, like, I use like, it was I think $17 or $18 and I put like, $18,000. And then went down and I was down like $4,000 or something. And I was like, you know what, I'm gonna, this is, this is that bottom has to be bam, double size, whatever amounts of money, bummed down. I had more bummed down. I was like, what the fuck? Like, I couldn't get a bounce to get like, at least smaller loss or break even that I was hoping, you know, never get that loss. That's why I short a lot that kind of thing, because I know the feeling how it is when I was like praying, please, please, backing bounce, you know, bounce, please. I was praying to God, you don't know. I know, but I think that that's a good lesson because when you have longed before shorting, you understand so much. And if you've shorted before longing, you also understand so much, because I remember when I first started shorting, I was slamming the lows. I saw a little bit of a red ticker. I'm like this comp or, you know, red candle. I was like, this company's a piece of shit. It's going down. I'm slamming the lows. It doesn't matter what price I get in that. It's still going lower. I can slam it lower. I don't need to short pops. And that's the same thing as when you're longing at the highs freely. I mean, we all clown people who are longing at the highs, but if you're shorting the lows, you're doing the exact same thing, you know, exact same thing. Yeah, I also want to say about what really helps me a lot with my short game is I stop chasing. I stop chasing low. I do once in 20 trades that I go chase, you know. Yeah. I go chase, but you don't want to share like short stock is like going down, you don't want to short. Wait for a pop. Wait for a pop and short that pop, you know. Yeah, I agree. Completely. I agree 100%. Yeah, you got to be shorting the pops and you got to be willing to long the dips. And it is a bit scary. It is. I mean, you're not comfortable, but the more you do it and the more experience you gain, that's how you really grow an account and get consistency. And that's how you really get the best risk reward for your trades. Absolutely. The biggest thing that like Stefan, I think shows like traders like newer guys in MIC is that once you reach that level of confidence in yourself, in your setups, like attacking things aren't scary anymore. And you've like developed almost like your own sizing system that allows you to kind of do anything. And I mean, I see you trading like penny stocks or like $10 stocks to $20 stocks and you kind of trade the exact same way every time. I mean, come on. Every single thing that I learned is from Bao. If you look at his charts, he's just freaking out in my mind, man. Like that guy is just amazing what he does. It is. And, you know, but we can do it too. Come on. Like practice through the small size. Go, why would you short low if you can wait for a pop and short the first resistance, for example, you know, like if you miss, that's fine. You miss, then wait for another setup, maybe death candle and then short the pop. So there is one, one, one stock in a day, there is at least five setups or five different ways how you can trade. You know, it's up to you. Would you gonna go, would you gonna go along short? What is the risk? How much you're gonna risk? Well, you know, but there's so much opportunities all around, you know, like to, to trade. Absolutely. Again, you don't have to use crazy size. I never had like Alex, like Alex days or bow days, 50, 100,000 bucks in a day. Hope one day, you know, when the market and everything goes crazy, you know, but again, but you know, making again, like 500 bucks, 1000, 3000 bucks, man. What's amazing about you is like, you've been to the highest of like, you've had the lowest of lows. And like you, I'm ready. I don't know. I don't know how many traders who can rewire their brain to like accept like a $1,500 a day, which is an amazing day. But like, I seriously like commend you. I think it's like fucking insane and seeing you do it at a consistent level. Like I'm telling you, many people would take those losses and quit and then be done. I mean, I can't say I'd stop my kid. So it's impressive. All of that money when I lost, it was all my fault, bro. It was emotional trading. It was not plan trading. It was random bullshit trading. You have your own plan, you know, place a order and have a stop, you know, and you're fine. If you lose 100 bucks, you're fine. You pre-plan that trade and you're good. You can't take like, you can't be mad at yourself because you lost. It's just the setup didn't work. You know, find a better setup, you know. That's awesome. That was kind of ended on as well because it's kind of been, I think, like 30, 40 minutes or something like that. I don't know, something like that. So that's good. Yeah, Harry, you want to wrap it up? Yeah, no, I mean, I just thought it was a really good chat and yeah, thanks for coming on. Hey, I will meet a haircut man when I come to Boston, I'll be like,