 Boom. What's up, everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Alan Saakyan. Super excited to be talking about empowerment and clarity. We have Paris Nesfa joining us on the show. Hello. Hi. How are you? Thanks for coming on Paris. Thank you so much. I'm really excited for this. We're just talking about this beforehand, but it does seem like Jun Yoon was the one that then brought us together a couple of years ago at his events that he was producing. And then most recently, we saw each other at the Interdependent Capitalism event, which was so cool. And I'm glad that we caught on to the importance of doing the show together to talk about all these things. Absolutely. Thank you so much for inviting me. It's really a pleasure. I love what you guys are doing here. Thank you. It's amazing. Thank you. And your support has been instrumental in helping us make this thing happen. So thank you. And for those who don't know Paris Nesfa's background, she believes change first starts with yourself. And you can find the links in the bio below to Paris' work. Paris, let's start things off with one of our favorite questions to ask our guests. What are your thoughts on the direction of our world? Yeah, you know, I knew you were going to ask this question, of course. You know, and I've been thinking about it. And, you know, overall, I do see it going in the right direction in terms of it has become better over the centuries, over the thousands of years. You know, I'm homeschooling my kids and we're studying about Mesopotamia and, you know, and the evolution of civilization from that region of the world. And essentially, you know, where we are today, it's phenomenal. The things that we're doing, the things that we're getting done, the things that we're achieving on a daily basis. And so I think it's incredible. And but there are, of course, some things that we can obviously improve on. And I think one of the most important things is not to lose sight of our humanity, of the human effect that we all have. It's easy to become mechanical about our technology, about the the innovations that are happening and that we will be seeing in the future, in the not too distant future. But that, you know, there is a major part, obviously, there's a major part of us, who's human, who a machine cannot replace. I believe that. And I and I feel it. And I and I sincerely would advocate for that humanity to continue, rather than be taken over by any kind of a cyborg or transhumanism, where it might go too far, for example, and things of that nature. There's a couple of things versus crazy that you're homeschooling your kids. I mean, that's that's really awesome. To me, I love the idea. I'm a huge proponent of being able to help the children unpack what their purposes in life and figure that out from a young agent. Sometimes the school system can squelch the purpose rather than make it flower. And if you bring up the great point of like looking back at some of our older days, yes, at times, there may not be the internet. But there were, you just spoke about these values, these human values that machines can't have. Well, back in the day, there used to be, at times, more of this deeper human value spiritual connection. That's what it feels like. And today with the machines, it feels more lost. Yes, and no, for example, we were just we were studying Mesopotamia and how the language, the language that we are we are using today was first of all. And and it was through that particular region that they created conifers. If I'm pronouncing that right, English is my second language, everybody, but still I'm still working on it. So you can correct me if I'm wrong. But anyway, it was evolved then. And, you know, there that the the rules that were made by the the then king, and to as to the behavior human interactions and behaviors, they're pretty tough. And just recently in the past 100 years, we've been able to translate that language that was that was carved in stone thousands of years ago to now understand what it was what it had said. And the rules and the laws that were made are pretty, pretty steep, where you lose a finger, you lose a hand. If you know, if you should happen to, you know, misjudge or I mean, just happen to, you know, look someone the wrong way, or touch someone's child, it's just really very steep. So based on that kind of all legal system and and societal laws, I would say we're much better off right now balanced with being able to actually see the stars, no light pollution, actually gardening oneself or actually working with precious resources of the planet oneself versus just walking into the grocery store, walking into the soup, the super centers. Yeah, these types of things. But that's just it. I think the fact that any human being can realize the tremendous power that we have that is at our fingertips today and make best of it and make the most of it, we would have any human being would have lived, will live thousands lives, thousands of lives within their hundred year lifespan, because we are capable of creating so much now than we were even 50 years ago, right? I mean, there's so many different references that I that the in my short lifespan I can come up with and that that did not I couldn't even have access to, you know, 20 years ago and I would die for and not even know existed. Whereas now all I have to do obviously is write Google it, you know, and added. But I do agree where in the past, you might have asked a friend in the past, you might have gone to the library, you might have gone through more effort. There would have been more human touches, you know, more, more, more interactions, right? On a human level to uncover, you know, your research, your, your field of study, your company, any kind of development that you were doing. Whereas now it is available electronically, I can see where the concern can rise. I think the most concern is really in the young. The young are at in the worst position at this point, where we are, where they are being given these incredible machines. And they are sort of, you know, depending on the parental guidance, some are being left alone with them. And you know, there's different levels, right? And some are given some guidance, some are given some parameters, and so on. So I think the most vulnerable are young. Whereas the elders, you know, I'm an elder right now, it feels so I know how to use this stuff to my benefit. And, and somebody who's, you know, somebody younger than me that they, they know how to use this stuff to the benefit, right? But definitely not the tens, definitely not even the teens I feel. Yes, I feel that there needs to be a lot more development in terms of educating our children as to how to best use technology for the benefits. And schools, you know, they don't do this very well. They try. I know I, from our local school program, they really tried. And my daughter was enrolled in a Procureal School before a public school system. And they didn't even address technology. You know, the computers were still in one room. And they still had, you know, computer time, like the way I had when I was in college. So I thought that that was pretty removed. You know, I didn't like that. And then we came into a public school system where everything is open, carte blanche, you know, you've got the internet, go use it. Now you have Google Classroom. All of a sudden, my daughter was able to email her friend's mom, you know, to ask for a play date. And I didn't even know about it until after the fact that the mom then responded to me and said, Oh, you know, your daughter reached out and Oh, really, I had no idea. You know, and so there was no very little guidance given to the children. I mean, we experienced this firsthand as to what do you use this for, right? Yeah. And how do you best use it? And what are the limitations? You know, right? That's a good example of it being used for purposes of trying to schedule a play date cool stuff. And there's also the prior to these last couple of decades of the proliferation of the technology into our pockets to have 100 billion humans prior to us figure themselves out through their own trajectories of life experience versus now, if you don't really know who you are when you're 12 or 14 or 18, there's algorithms that have been crunching billions of psychometric profiles that are feeding you pieces of information that are trying to swing your perspective and directions that may align with their own ethos and not our own. So there's some major issues that are also arising from the business models that they have. And so it's like this, you gave a great example, you know, reaching out for a play date, emailing the mom, cool. But yeah, to, yeah, to also put the power of the tech into the kids' hands to be manipulated as we don't even know that we're building the tools that are then manipulating us. And so we have to be extremely vigilant with the way that we design it with ethics and philosophy and morality, these types of things. And we're not plugging, we haven't plugged those things into Silicon Valley since day one, they've been gone, it was just engineers and designers and ops people since day one. And the philosophy and ethics and morals were like people shouting from across the world like, Hey, what are you doing? Yeah. And now it's like, well, maybe we should have a couple of them that are on our staff. And then they get in there. And they're like, Oh, my gosh, we're there. There's no spiritual connection here. It's it's a void of spiritual connection. It's and so those and what leaks into the voids of spiritual connection is malevolence, unknowing malevolence and ignorance unknowingly. And we don't like to think of these brilliant programmers as people that are ignorant. But when one has never felt unbounded wholeness, when one has never felt source or mother, the spirit that exists among us all, and it's just a constant in the head programming, we're, we're, we're puppets in a sense for so there's, there's a lot of nuance there. And I think we're gonna hit on this throughout a little bit more. Definitely. Let's do. So let's do the journey. So this was cool, you're teaching me that you're born in Iran. And then that's actually very close to Armenia. We're very in the same area of the world neighbors, neighbors. And so what was that like for you growing up? Because that was obviously much prior to, to, you know, to my ex, I actually was never even, you know, I was born in the United States, I only went back, most recently, two years ago, and going back, I mean, it was beautiful, but it's also like, there's a different pace of time, there's a different call, completely different culture. So yeah, different, different values of families and neighbors and community. So yeah, so tell us about it. Absolutely. You know, I loved growing up in Iran. I, it was such a peaceful and loving environment that I remember, obviously very modern at the time. And, you know, I, the environment was such that I remember it be there was so much love and so much unity among our family members. And this is not just our family members. It was it's these family values that are that exists in that part of the world. And I don't know to what degree today, I will be honest and frank with you, because that has somewhat changed. But back then it was much more stronger, solid family state together, and supported each other, they had each other's back, you know, multiple generations live close together. Of course, you know, we also travel to different cities to see family and relatives. But I remember that the love was so intense that that's when I experienced one of my first epiphanies at age of four. Whoa. And it's still, it stayed with me throughout my entire life. And to today, it still drives me. I felt I will never forget the day that this happened. It was we were bicycling in our famous street in front of our home. We had this beautiful villa. My dad was a he was into manufacturing. He created one of the first manufacturing plants to convert wheat to flour in the province. And then he later multiplied them, you know, throughout the country. And he produced at one point top 10% of the gross production of flour in you know, in Iran. But in any event, so I remember the incredible love as I was bicycling with a whole bunch of other friends, your complete trust, right? No, come back home at a certain times, complete trust. And I, and I experienced this incredible expansion and unity, unity. It was a felt hardcore body right there. And I saw it, it was as if I was in a dream, but it was clearly not because I was very much awake. And the love and the unity and the, the lack of barriers that I felt between myself and my fellow human was such an incredible experience that stale still stayed with me for at four. That's cool. Why? And I was also so eager to learn that my mom couldn't hold me back. I was the youngest of four. And she enrolled me in into kindergarten at four. And yes, kindergarten at four. So I was I went to first grade at five. And I loved, I loved love learning. And then it's also didn't. It was also helpful to know who the principles were and so on. So for there was a small city. And so everybody knew each other. And so they made some adjustments to get me in because mom just didn't want to hear me anymore, you know, having to beg her to go to school and learn. But anyway, so it was a very supportive environment, loved, loved Iran. I miss the country. And so we left when I was 11 to come to San Francisco to visit my brother who had come here earlier several years earlier, we left in 77. And my father decided that we wanted to go and see him for the summer vacation. So we all packed and we came straight to the SF. It was beautiful. And and after a few months, my dad decided this is an amazing place. And you know what, we're moving and we're going to have the the rest of the family move here as well. And so then of course, he broke the news to the rest of us. And and even though we had a democratic family, where my dad really liked to involve the children and the decision making, but that particular decision making, I remember I was not involved in. It was pretty much what made for us. And so luckily, I mean, I love that. Of course, you know, you are 11. And, you know, you're in a completely different world. I spoke English to some degree, but clearly not fluent. So I had to learn English quickly. And then I was next thing I knew I was enrolled in school and and going to well, what a pivot in life trajectory. And your father was kind of like you said, just in a sense, just made that pivot for you and the children. That's and thankfully, because you know, and then in retrospect, we often asked them, did you know that there was going to be a revolution? Did you know that there was going to be change? Because two years later in 79, there was the you know, the hostage crisis in those Shah left the country and so on and so forth. And all that change occurred. And you know, and he since the very he had his hand into the business world, and into trade. And it wasn't just on a small scale was on a large scale. He had realized there's some things that are just not going right. That there are some things that are not quite connecting. And he didn't know exactly what was going to happen. But he did realize that there was some things that were not going the right direction in terms of the country and the regime. So his gut, he went with his gut, and he decided for us to stay. And that was the most incredible decision. I constantly thank him. There's not really a day that I go by that I don't remember that. And I don't think the fact that we are here in the United States. I love this country. I am an American citizen. And you know, I though I love Iran as well, in terms of the what we left behind. But it's not the same world as it was, obviously back then. We do. Yeah. Yeah. Very important that we need to look for each other. Definitely. And you know, the Iranian people as well, I'm sure you know this. You know, in Iran, they completely they love Americans, you know, and of course, it's the regime and then the politics. That's the that's the the difference. And that's creating a gap. I think most of us love each other. That's true from all the different countries. Just the regular person, the regular job wants to get culture wants to learn more about these other cultures. But I don't I have to be careful because they'll you know, they'll assassinate me, this global government. Yeah, that's a really good point. So being of having been born in a different country and migrating here, you know, we realize quickly that obviously we're not the only ones. And then you look around and you see people from all over the world coming to United States. And you see how it was the experience that I had within me, and the questions that came up for me as a on a human level, you know, clearly, that has defined me. And and I and I'm grateful for that. I think migrating and changing one's environment, you know, whether you're you want to relocate, move, whether you want to, you know, experience a different culture across the world, you've got to do it. I really I highly encourage people to do so because it gives such an incredible perspective into not only how you want yourself adjusts to this new environment, whatever it might be, new language, new food, new people, new characters, new culture, but also you see how other people are living the same exact 24 hour day that you do on the other side, wherever you might have been and how they are living it. And then and then you see the interactions that you have with them. And then you realize that we are not so different. That the gap is there is really no gap. And that it is perceived and it and that it is based on so many other factors that are not humanistic. You know, it has to do with economy, obviously, it has to do with politics and so on. So anyway, yeah, this is very critical point. And I'm glad that we're talking about travel with the lens that we are when we have this global mentality about the way that we can maximize our collective prosperity. I think one of the most important keys that is this travel let's do the picking up of the interest as well. So as you move, then you locate to San Francisco where you know for the last 40 plus years being here in the Bay Area is kind of nuts seeing what's happened in Silicon Valley. This is completely different than being in kind of like rural Nebraska for 40 years because not much changes in rural Nebraska for 40 years. So like what has it been like being here? How did you pick up your interest growing up in this area? Tell us about that. That's amazing. You know, I when we moved here we moved right here just to San Francisco directly. There's an area called Park Merced. It's right next to San Francisco State. And so my brother had an apartment there. So we lived there for about nine months. And my father quickly got involved and he purchased a house that was half built and then we waited for it to be fully built before we moved in into the peninsula. And so then that transition into the school system was huge. I was faced with bullying, you know, right off the bat. Soon the hostage crisis occurred. And here I am taking the school bus in the morning, you know, in a very nice neighborhood where we were in Hillsborough. And, you know, and then you have kids that I still know today that by the way we attend our reunion, you know, junior high reunion and high school reunion, you know, screaming at me in the bus, you know, death to the show, death to the show, you know, or, you know, there were some other slogans that that were used. And you know, I have to tell you though, I'm so grateful that my character, I mean, if you ask yourself, you know, we ask ourselves throughout our lives about who we are and so forth, so on and so forth, I'm so grateful that I have had a cheery life, you know, and I think I see life in a very positive way. And the cheer in me, and if you will, if that's a lack of a better word, has saved me. You know, I saw that, but I didn't, I never allowed it to go into my heart. I never allowed it to penetrate to the point where it would block me, you know, or hurt me to the point where I would be isolated or I would feel, you know, disempowered or anything as such. So I, you know, I realized that it was the times and, but I'm also, but I also feel that aspect of what I saw helps me feel for children and adults that, that do go through a bullying of any sort or minimization of any sort that minimizes their capacity as a full human being, whether it might be, you know, as women, you know, as, as LGBT community, whether it could be in any particular kind of a minority group, you know, I mean, I see that, I feel that, and I'm so grateful that I had that experience because it is, it is such a limited perspective of who we are and, but it also doves tail, dovetails on the fact that the monkey mind, right, the monkey mind that we learn that, you know, you watch something on TV and it transpires to you, right, especially if you're younger and I see so older folks too, you know, transpires to one, whether it's positive or negative, whatever that influences, which goes back to your conversation about how we have this sort of a pre-arranged, you know, media, right, that comes at us at a very precise and with precision, right, and that's sort of a feedback that you receive and I think that us as humans need to truly elevate our understanding of who we are and really realize that we have free will, that we, yes, we see this stuff, but we have to really decide on our own whether we want to react, right, to the stimulus, to the news, to the interactions or to the marketing gimmick, whatever it might be that we are receiving, you know, these messages, so you have to realize this is why, again, I go back to education, not just for kids and really for everyone, for all of us, to realize that we have that free will, we have that free choice, you know, is it a simulation? You know, go back to that, you know, I mean, you know, so are we just, you know, within this simulation where, you know, everything is supposed to happen in a certain way or, you know, it's predetermined, I mean, there's all kinds of different conversations, I still say we have free will. It might be a simulation to a certain degree and level, but we still have a free will to step out of it, to step out of it and to act upon our own understanding and to ask our own questions, right? That's where the empowerment is. That's where the freedom is that we so want as human beings. You know, I've experienced this so much throughout my life, so you had the question, going back to your question, being raised here. I mean, you couldn't come to a more diverse place in the world, right? It's a melting pot, yeah. In San Francisco, and back in, back when we had arrived, I think Harvey Milk was the mayor of San Francisco, and I know now, you know, in retrospect, I did not know then, growing up here at the time, but, you know, and there was a lot of issues, right? Clearly, he got shot and so on, so forth, and there was a lot of issues about that, about the gay, lesbian community and their rights, and I also questioned that, you know, I also, in myself, wondered about rights, not just as my, as a woman, but as a human being, and as somebody who wants to love someone else, you know, and, you know, who am I to say? Who are we to say, right? And to, to, to condemn and judge another human being based on the way that they choose to love. And I remember, so I remember studying, of course, you know, as you go, I, so I went to Crocker, and then after that, I went to Aragon High School and, and the same people that, that made fun of me in the bus were, and became my friends, and then, you know, we evolved together and it was, and I have to tell you, I had, I felt like the entire, entire high school was my friends. I didn't have any particular group that I hung out with, though I did have some really good friends that I, that I still cherish the friendship with now, but, you know, I have to also say that living here, I felt, and I don't know, maybe, tell me if you hear this from other people, I felt this osmosis. I felt like as if I, I'm constantly being fed, or I'm receiving information, you know, I, I felt like as if I'm a receiver, and I'm receiving information on different levels, and the information, then I would see it come to fruition through other channels, you know, through it. Definitely. Right? Yeah. And whether it was, oh, this company is now popping up at, oh, I had that idea, you know, or, or, you know, this, this thought of, you know, unity, or this thought of, you know, knowing that, for example, I have to tell you, Gavin Newsom, when he was, he was the mayor of San Francisco, I was doing some programming at Commonwealth Club, and I so much wanted to meet with him in person. And it didn't, it didn't, it did not occur, unfortunately, but, but that's okay. The point is that I knew in my heart, and probably so many other people, that he was going to become the governor. It's just kind of know that. And, and so many other, so many other examples, and it, and it brought the question to me that of environment, the environment that we live in, and the clarity of, of ourselves, you know, to be able to receive this kind of information. And, and then the, the, the seeker within the human, you know, that, that exists within all of us. And, and I, I, I know for fact that all of us have these things. It's not one specific person that is an incredible genius. And of course there are, but that will blocks it. And as I realized throughout this time is that, you know, things like fear, right, greed, lies, things like, you know, jealousy, that these basic emotions block the, and sort of take our body that is aligned. And it kind of, yeah, takes you out of whack. Out of the divine alignment with your purpose or your mission and unity, they said to things, how do you vaccinate yourself against the twisting? Exactly. So I had that same question. These are great questions I've asked. And you were asking the same thing. So I've dug into this. There are ways that you can, lack of a better word, protect, but really understand. I try to dig as deep as I can, understand why it happens. And how you can sort of, as you say, vaccinate yourself is, you know, one, a, seek the knowledge, right, get to know yourself and get to know your own buttons, right? Triggers you. Yeah. You know, what is the cause of the fear that you might, I mean, some people are petrified of spiders. You know, I've in, in, or the other side of the political spectrum, or the other side of the political spectrum. Where'd that come from? Exactly. Because spiders is probably like less than a percent of people, but the other side of the political spectrum is like 25% of people. Thank you for that interjection. I appreciate that. Yeah, definitely. Just so, you know, to be able to know yourself to the point that understand that we are, we were brought up in a certain family setting. We were brought up in a certain environment that had everything to do with how we think and has everything to do with how we behave. You know, and that question, and this question was also a question for me. What percentage, what percentage are we DNA, right? What percentage are we, our behavior is environmental? Yeah. And, you know, I have to tell you the majority of it is environment. Majority. Yes, you have certain DNA, but at the same time, the majority of what sort of steers you, you know, this DNA, this sort of a pure being, that the steering is the environment. And so you've got to know your own manual. You have to know your own manual. Who are you? You know, and why are you doing what you're doing? What are you here for? There is, you know, I've asked myself, is there really a purpose? Right? Is there really a purpose, a common purpose for all of us? Is there a personal purpose? You know, but these are, you know, very deep questions, right? And the question and the answers wouldn't come right away. But if you'd stay with it long enough, it will come. And so I realized at this point in my life, finally, I'm a half a century old, and I'm proud to say it, I have, you know, I have no problem saying my age, where some women might, you know, my here for my friends later, why did you tell your age? But doesn't matter. But the point is that I'm grateful because half a century has taken me to come to the point of stillness and to the point of resolve. Yeah, it's, it's incredible. It's a celebration. It is a celebration. Some, a lot of people apparently pass without getting to that point. And that's unfortunate that we've made a world where that happens. And that people aren't able to commune with the infinite and achieve their divine purpose, figure themselves out their own OS, their own manual, within even the first 25 years that their life children should be figuring it out faster, we should be facilitating the social fabric to help children figure that out faster. Definitely. Definitely. That is, that would be an incredible goal. That would be the, I mean, you would think that that's what the education system tries to do, you know, not really. Yes, to some degree, I think it did do, the education system does help one understand the environment that we have stepped into, you know, but it also has the ability to form and shape the thoughts, right, of those individuals, depending on what part of the United States did you go to, you know, high school, right, and what kind of a curriculum was given to you. But I think that at the end, it's the objective mind. You know, you have to always go back to the objective mind. And that is the sort of the highlight I feel that we need to, that I'd like to help people realize that, yes, you might be in a certain environment, right, a certain environments are really not that great, right, for whatever reason. And that you might, some people might have been born into it, some people might have been, have gotten into that particular path. And I'll say this as an example, my brothers, they were, they had, you know, led interesting lives. And anywhere, I can go into detail about that, but not to digress. So I feel that in whole talk about that, would you like to? Well, that leads us into us being in charge of our own destiny, which we were just talking about mental health issues. Yeah, I mean, because we're talking of now, again, so many people are experiencing issues with mental health across especially the developing world. And so many of the ancient wisdoms that have been lost, are speak about things like we just had film, we're just on the show talking about crazy wise film, things like divine rituals and shamanic practices of the indigenous and versus now just drugging ourselves with pharmaceuticals. So we're way misaligned with nature. And it almost seems like there's something dark that's keeping that ignorance and malevolence of there purposely instead of that connection of the divine. Well, you know, it's interesting. So medicine, you know, the sign, if you look at the American Medical Association, the I don't know if you know the the sign double helix over across the yes, the staff and then the wings. Yeah. So that sign originated thousands of years ago from the pineal gland was it or the pine cone was at the top or something like that. Something interesting. Well, that sign goes in. So I studied the chakra system. And I have also I'm also a meditation teacher. And while I was studying this, we came across the sign and we studied it. Well, so apparently, this sign has been taken from an ancient tradition. And it's it's a known fact. And basically it is it describes the body. The staff is the body spine spine. Yep. And these spirals are two snakes. Yes, that spiral in between the chakras, the chakras and the chakras are also equivalent to certain blends in the body that are that equate to the endocrine system. So it intertwines these these chakras. And then the wings are at the center, the heart where earth meets heaven, thus wings to fly into the heaven sphere. And then from the heart, the center, where the wings are, and then and then on to consciousness, achieving the consciousness level of awakening and the the full spectrum of the lotus. That's cool. So that is the that's our medic medical basis is incredible. You know, the medicines that were able to create actually in the pharmaceutical companies and what we were able to do is phenomenal. I mean, that is phenomenal. On the most positive, the benevolent end, it's supposed to help us with our scent. However, it is yet it can be misused, right? There are only self deal being absolutely. This is what I mean in terms of of staying objective and staying true to oneself and knowing that we can anyone. I remember I one of my teachers used to say, Paris, you're you can you're in danger of getting off the path at any given time. And I used to think this is my meditation teacher, which I highly respect and really helped me realize quite a lot personally in my life. And so I'm grateful for that. But he said that he would continuously say this and I was I used to dismiss it. It was I felt it was a scare tactic, you know. But now I realize what he's meaning, because it is true. If you if you lose your sense of yourself, you know, he also used to say that you need to hang on to your rope. And the rope inside within who you are, you've got to hang on to that. There will be tough times in life. There will be times that you will get challenged. There will be times that you might have to take these medicines, right? And that the medication might take over the body. But you've got to under all circumstances, hang on to yourself, hang on to your path, and not lose sight of that. Because you can once you do, that's when you're knocked over. Yeah, that's when you go off track. That's when you veer off. That's where accidents happen. That's where problems occur. And sometimes they happen maybe to a high degree where that person might have a hard time getting back, right? Then you test the faith. That's a challenge. Huge. And then you have the intervention world coming in, stepping in, wanting to do interventions, wanting to do some kind of a saving healing, which is all wonderful. But the missing link is that person, that person inside that objectivity, that human being, that soul has to agree, has to want, has to have that, that, that way back, if they're so far gone, regardless of what anybody does on the outside, yeah, they may not get back on track. I mean, I don't want to be a fatalist. You're right. You're right. At the same time, I have to say for I've learned this from experience. And I say this from firsthand, my brothers were both my oldest brother had a drug addiction that had somehow worked itself into his life at an early age. And it was a horrible thing for him and for our family. It was awful at witnessing all that. And what and seeing that how much he really wanted to make the make the change in the transition, but on how difficult it was to do so. And as soon as something would go wrong or not his way, he would be back on, you know, using drugs. And but the point is that that was one incident. My my second brother was was someone who was incredibly healthy. He stayed away from anything that was that could possibly hurt him. He was he was an athlete. He was a black diamond skier, you know, snow snowboarder. I mean, you know, water skier. He taught me everything about the outdoors. You know, love to camp. He was an electrical engineer. He played the guitar. He's saying I mean, he was just like, you know, this creative human being. And he was misdiagnosed with depression. And here comes medications to help him get better. Well, guess what? It never got better. And one more and one more. And let's take this for that side effect. And let's take that for this side. This is in the 80s, where mental health wasn't really talked about very much. Meanwhile, there's a nice little bribe coming under the table for each one of the medicines that's being prescribed. And nobody knew we had no idea, you know, my father was, you know, what was, you know, he believed in doctors who believed that he, you know, he was in his profession, right? So he would leave it up to the other experts to help. And same with my mother, you know, and so they had to trust. What else are they going to do? But then soon they realized that this is one of those lessons. Yeah, exactly. That was a lesson for me as a child watching this unfold. Yeah, it was a huge, huge life lesson. I'm grateful. No, you won't repeat that with your kids. Absolutely not. Or with myself, I was very cautious with myself and help remind your friends of that too. Yeah, exactly. So you can then take the knowledge and run horizontal with it after you've experienced it vertically through your own family over time, you can then share it with other families. Absolutely. I am so looking forward to doing more of that. Yeah, because there is so much trust that's put into again, I don't I don't feel that we should not trust. Trust is a great thing. Yeah. But it's good to also have healthy skepticism. Yeah. And I learned that in my audit career at PwC. You know, you were an auditor, you audited, right? Financial statements. But with skepticism, we weren't suspicious that things were going to go wrong or that, you know, that there's misstatements or that, you know, the books are accounted for in a wrong way. But that you looked at it with objectivity, that something could be out of whack. You know, so that kind of a point of view is imperative. Yeah, you know, right? Yeah. And so the medication world, I think is great. But at the same time, it is so filled with so many side effects and so many overlaps. And that I on I don't want to speak for the doctors, but I really need companies when you really need innovation. I mean, just some simple apps that can help us see the side effects. You know, does this really work with that? You know, there are a few, but there aren't enough on a large enough scale where we can just use it at our at our fingertips, right? You know, so that kind of a thing would be wonderful for humanity, you know, for us to a full simulation, a full digital twin of Paris Nessa. And then you can simulate what it's like adding a little pharmaceutical to your entire body state and seeing what it does. Exactly. And along those lines, you know, medication is is great. But I also have to have my personal philosophy is short term. If it's a long term medication, you have to really look into what's going on with the body, what's going on with on the emotional level, hence the chakra system that I've studied, and that there's a there's a system in the body that has that has emotions. You know, we have our emotional mind, right? Psychology is all about the emotional mind and so on so forth. Well, there's emotions that we hold and literally inside our body. And though it cannot be proven, you know, we can't say, oh, this is the body holds the score. Yeah, the body holds the score. And it has memory, right? Yeah, body muscle memory. We talk about this in athletics, athletics. So the body holds these memories from way back when we don't even remember, right? Most of the equations, occasions that have occurred to us. But that we have, we have some kind of a phobia or we have some kind of a fear or certain kind of looks or certain kinds of appearances, certain environments make us, you know, might feel make us feel uncomfortable. Well, guess what? Those are the body's ways of telling you that you need to look further into certain areas, whatever the queue is, rather than run away from it. It's the exact opposite. You know, it's like, oh, it's an invitation. The body is trying to talk. How else is the body going to tell you, you know, you've got this is what I mean in terms of our own manual manual and learning our own learning about ourselves because the body is incredible. It's very wise, right? Yeah. And, you know, we're natural leaders. 30. I was looking this up earlier, 37 trillion cells in each human body. And I think it's we're still counting. That's that's my blowing. Isn't it right? Yeah. And who's in charge of that? What you put inside of yourself is pretty much in charge of that. What you surround yourself with is in charge of that. So you have a direct effect on all of the, all of your body, all of the cells in your body, all the organs, but depending on what you take in, what stimuli from your environment, taking with food, nutrition pharmaceuticals, all the stuff they they take in. Exactly. There are two things that we can do that I've discovered that can help clear and flush in a way. Food and food, I mean, food that's that's healthy for the body and exercise. Yeah. These are like two very basic stuff. Super basic. Right? The more you research longevity, the more you'd research how. Sleep's a good one for sleep is excellent for decreasing inflammation. Yes. Helping you with us better early, better integration of your of the day with the previous life existence, but processing processing processes and kind of takes everything and puts it into order organizing the order. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. And then you get up the next morning fresh, right? Super simple ones. Yeah. And that's it. Exactly. Super simple. Now, Occam's Razor is a really this is Occam's razor at it's fine. That's just the most simple ways of living a healthy life are likely the most optimal. So in ways that feel really good for you and sleep really well, exercise really well, and you'll likely feel great day to day and and be able to get through some of those things that can stress can give us stress or anxiety or reliance on exogenous substances to make us feel divine. All these types of things. Yeah, exogenous. Yeah, versus endogenous. There are things found within you. Exogenous is when you seek things outside of you to they try to get yourself to yeah, you want to be endogenously motivated to because if you're you're not just really motivated to achieve a divine goal, you'll find yourself less ego driven, less money driven, less fame driven and more purpose driven, but whenever it's for things outside of you that you're driven for, you'll you never find satisfaction. Exactly. And people can smell that on you. They can smell when you're like buying your next watch and buying your next thing versus they can tell when you're, you know, truly living a humble existence. Meanwhile, you're doing really big things for the world and you'll gravitate other people towards you. Yeah, it's beautiful. Absolutely. I mean, you know, we're intelligent, right? Humans are incredibly intelligent beings and also very not all of us. But that's what I mean. This is a lot. Yeah, I'm going to let you run with that for a second if you want. But you know, but the food that we eat, right? And you guys, I'm still serious about this. Really, we are in charge of not all of us. Yeah, I can't let you get away with that. We're some of us are very smart and some of us are not to be polite. But okay, there's an ignorance among us. There is an ignorance among us. Yeah. Well, the ignorance is not seeking. The ignorance is also not the ignorance is within all of us. There's just different levels of ignorance. Yeah. Yeah. We know that we know so little. Yes. Yeah. Definitely. Donning Kruger effect. It's a great one. There's a lot among us that don't know anything. And they think they know it all. And that's the problem. They're so loud. They're so loud. And it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. That's such an important one. Those kinds of extremes are needed, though. I have to tell you, I mean, you know, because I was reading about this this new innovation or actually, yeah. It's called a new way of of helping to better our lives by by tweaking our brain into not feeling neuromodulation. I think so. That's. Thank you. Where you don't feel pain, suffering, you know, all the awful things that can happen in life. Noninvasively, like through ultrasound or through like optogenetics through your eyes, things like that, through light, using light or using ultrasound itself. However way that may like magnetic stimulation, electrical stimulation and things that are transcranial just to not scare people yet. Yeah. We're not towards. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, but that. Yes, yes. But I think that's I mean, I think that's a noble. I understand where that comes from. It can also accidentally fry us. Yeah, it can accidentally fry you. I mean, let's be real. Like we fry so many rats in these experience experiments all the time. Unfortunate mice, chicken, cows, pigs, most unfortunate species on the planet right now. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm glad I'm not a mouse. Huh? I'm glad I'm not one of those. Animals being tested upon us for sure. Someone's got to do it. Someone's got to do it. Yeah. Rick Parris says that. You know, we can't incarnate into an animal. It's like human is the highest form of evolution. And I respectfully disagree. I think it's an open game. The only way we're going to understand not to destroy and kill these animals is to be one. And the blip of a lifetime. Well, you know, I mean, I think virtual reality can help with that. Whatever it takes. Throw on the VR headset and and throw them in a pool so they can feel like being a dolphin. Exactly. So make them go at like 20 miles an hour in the water. I want the full dolphin experience. Or a peacock. It's all short, you know. Beautiful. You know, that's just it. To put yourself into something else's or someone else's position, you know, and that's empathy. Massive perspective. Get behind those eyes. Yeah, because then you can, yeah, if you feel like you're a mouse that's being. Oh, why don't we try this new transcranial stimulation technique on you? And then it's like, ah. And then you're like, yeah, we maybe we should chill out with. Yeah, definitely. I, you know, you wouldn't even know what that means, right? And what in the world are you doing? There's so many different ways that we humans harm each other, unfortunately, right? And some intentionally and some unintentionally. And I go back to the family. The family unit is the first unit that you come into, right? As a human being. And the family unit is such a integral and important part of our lives. But that also we will be, most all of us will become defined by that. But then to know that you are, that you're still free to step out of it, right? And to realize, you know, because we've got our free mind, to realize right and from the wrong, you know, I mean, hurting someone hurts, you know, it's painful. That's not good, right? I mean, you know, just our basic sense of wisdom that we were all equipped with, I hope. Well, you guys might say otherwise from your conversations, but, you know, that kind of a ability to then judge in a healthy way. That is something that needs to continue to be developed and nourished and know that you're not confined by the family. You know, that you might be, you know, one was born in a family and raised by a family and that's all wonderful. But if it were not optimal, that there are many choices outside of that. Whereas, I think that unfortunately, not enough people realize that, you know, we have suicides, right? Teenage suicides are all time high. You know, and even it's pop stars. You know, I mean, and I mean, Robin Williams. I mean, the point is that to be able to know that there is different life, right? Different way of living and to be able to access it. That's the beauty of where we are today. That you can access it. That there is information that you can connect to someone else across the world, right? Someone else in another country. You don't even have to speak their language anymore. You know, Google translate for the most part. It's not perfect, but still, right? So anyway, the point is that this is exciting. We were in exciting time in our lives. When you're more immersed in nature in the days of more tribal indigenous days, it does almost feel like there was a deeper ability to get behind the eyes of others or get behind the eyes of plants or animals or anything else that was outside of the eye. And then so many of the things, especially with the uproar of the West, which did well in many ways with this eye, of course, at the same time, took us so far away from getting behind the eyes of other people and plants and animals and the planet and so many of the other integral components to the unity feeling. So the ego is uproaring and the eye is uproaring. Meanwhile, the mentality of being able to get behind the perspective of others is all these different unique combinations of humans that are in all their parts of the world. And we're just so stuck in, and sometimes twisted, we're stuck and twisted instead of stuck and at least aligned. The best is to not be stuck, be aligned and be able to get behind the unity of all the other perspectives. This is why there were so many churches, right? I mean, church in the history was a savior for many people where it helped give guidance. It helped give a way to align, right? And it's a code, right? And so the church is one of them. The Bible is one of them. Judaism and the world religions are exactly just that. Where then you've got the unfortunate issues that come up within the religion and you've got the Catholic priests molesting. You've got all these other negative stuff that happen that sort of might mask people's views of something that is beautiful. It's supposed to be divine, yeah. And it is a savior type of a setting. And then again, that's where the objectivity has to kick in. You realize that one bad apple, yes, can rot that specific package maybe or that specific rack, but it doesn't rot the whole foundation. And the foundation is based on something solid, right? So you have to be able to stay objective. That's what I continuously see and it comes up regularly is that again, with the media, with the self-actualization, with the realignment. Yeah, yeah. And we have a whole bunch of other points to get to in another conversation together. We have, this has been a very fascinating conversation that's been going in so many different directions. Oh, it's wonderful, yeah, I love it, thank you so much. Again, thanks for having me. I've had a lot of fun going to all these different places together. May we ask you a couple of our questions on the way out? Sure. Where do we come from into these earth suits on this planet? Do we come from somewhere beyond this 3D reality? Do we go back after we die? How do you feel about that? Yeah, that is a question also. That I've been trying to figure out. I'm not fully there with regard to reincarnation. I don't, no, I haven't adopted that. There is science, I do also look into science to have some kind of a proof. There is science that backs at the time that the fetus is developed at the first stages. There's a spark of light, a spark of electric light or electric activity that goes on. That is actually something that has been watched and has been proven to call across. So are we that? And that has been a question for me as well when someone dies, when some human animal dies, where does that life go? That has been a question for me for many years. I remember many, many years of more than 20 plus years. I don't know the answer to that. I don't know. Yeah, the spark of electric activity and inception is quite interesting. Yeah, what's actually going on is that just the heart beginning its pulsations or is that something deeper with maybe the essence of the being arriving or there's some crazy stuff that could potentially happen. But there is a cycle. There's kind of a recycling, if you will, of us. The body comes from Earth, goes back to Earth. There is a recycling that is definitely going on and that is clear to me. And whether or not the me that's in me is part of that recycling, right? When flower blooms, then it dies, then it goes. Where is the fragrance? Are we the fragrance? The fragrance has, it was here, we enjoyed it. We can say, yes, it was present, right? But then it sort of joins the collective, right? Because now you can't go ahead and gather all that sense, right, essence back and put it back inside the flower, right? It's already expanded. So are we that? Yeah. And that would be something more along the lines of what I would perceive it to be. But given that, I don't feel that we should go around hurting each other, that we're anything less, that just because maybe we recycle and that we come from Earth and we go back to Earth, then that gives us the carte blanche to imprison thousands and millions and commit genocide and all kinds of horrible things that go around the world, dry by shootings and it doesn't give us the right to take away life from someone else, right? And that is a huge question and yeah. You started addressing this earlier in the show, are we in a simulation? Yeah, why do you ask, she answered that. Why do you ask her again? She gave us a very, she answered that. For those that are ignorant like myself. Oh, why don't you pay attention to your guests? What was the answer? Yeah, I feel that there, we are in a simulation at a certain degree. She was talking about free will. She, her opinion is the same as mine. And if it's a little bit of a simulation, we still have to play the game. We do have, we have to play it like a game. We are part of the simulation. You either succumb to it and let it rip you to pieces, eat you up and spit you out or yeah. Pay attention. Well, you have to be in a way because we are code, right? Behind all of this stuff is a code. There is that it's clear whether it's a flower, Fibonacci, the whole universe, the whole. Definitely seeing that. Yeah. There's all kinds of, there's definitely code behind all this. But does that mean that, but I still have to choose. You know, I still have to choose. A, B. You still collapse the futures. You still choose. But I, but see when somebody is not in congruence, when someone is out of whack, then they are living in simulation, but they are not in unity with it. See? To be in unity with our environment, I'm just gonna call it environment, right? Is an incredible gift. It's not a bad thing. It's an incredible gift because it's kind of like launch. When you want to launch a spaceship into space, you have to have a rocket. And you have to have a man or a woman, people in that rocket, right? That take you to outer space to experience that. You have to have that rocket. The rocket is our body. You have to have our alignment, right? If we're out of whack, we won't be able to go anywhere. Anywhere, we won't blossom like a flower here. No. Just a congruence, you know, with the experience that we're all in right now. Yeah. You've got to align yourself. And those who don't are the ones that unfortunately lose it, you know, or miss out. Not lose, but miss out. On their full potential. On the full potential, exactly. And then what do you think's the most beautiful thing in the world? Free will. It has to be free will for me. I've gone through so many numerous experiences in my life where I've had that as a threat to be taken away, whether it was through marriage or through dogma, through religion, so on and so forth. I'm so grateful that I have that free will, that I have that objectivity inside me that can save me. Damn, what a way to look at these norms that, yeah, that if we're not vigilant with our own sovereignty, then forces can come in and take it away. And yeah, that's applicable to dogmas, marriages to these devices and the ways they manipulate us to the way that sometimes a physician or pharmaceutical or so many, yeah. Hijacked, hijacked, hijacked, yeah. And a lot of people walking, but are they really there? Right? Damn. Yeah, we've talked about that on the show. That one's scary. That one's really scary. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid, but like, uh, how do you, but how do you know that I'm really here? Well, I can see you. I can also sense you. There's, when you get into more clairvoyance, you can actually see people's colors, their auras. And what do you see about my aura? I didn't say I am there. No, I will tell you this. Thank you for asking that question, I respect that. But the point is that I actually was able to see those things at one point, and I thought the world, I was so excited, so incredible, but what I did not realize, you can lose it. Oh, that's intense, yeah. Yeah, it's a practice that you have to continue to develop. And if you don't continue to practice it, and there's so many different levels of clarity, cleansing and toxicity that goes on in the body and in the environment. So if any of those are, again, out of whack, then you lose the perspective of, and the abilities. It's kind of like a sixth sense, right? So then it would be like, what level of alignment is your aura? Like, are you on absolute fire with divine connection to all that is and your purpose? Or are you like a little tiny flame or? Well, aura is this energy field that every single one of us have. And the aura is complete when it is full, right? Around the body, and it has different layers and different colors. An energy field that has been compromised has holes. Some people feel, well, I can't get fulfilled. They continuously do things and try to, right? And a lot of people go to eating, right? They eat a lot of food because they wanna feel alive. Or whatever reason, they're feeling empty. Well, it's not the food. There's something going on with the aura. There's a break, there's some kind of a hole that's taking away all the energy. So in order to replenish, gotta go back to exercising, gotta go back to having a healthy diet. Gotta go back to having a healthy sleep. Nature connection. Nature connection, hug some trees. Make sure your friends around you, our friends are really important, our friends, family. Yes, yes, those are huge. Right, you're receiving the input that is positive for you to replenish. That's beautifully said. What a great end, yeah. Some indigenous people call that spiritual fragmentation. That's there, and then we fill the void, or the void gets filled with malevolent forces that take us away from all those things you listed. Sleep, exercise, nutrition, family, friends, community, divine purpose, yeah. Wow, super excited for another conversation. Can you not yell like that, please? Wow, super excited for another, Paris, thank you so much. I love being here, thank you so much for having me. Love to have you, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, appreciate you a lot. That was so good, thank you, Paris. Thanks everyone for tuning in, we greatly appreciate it. We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode. Let us know what you're thinking. Have more conversations with your friends, family, coworkers, people online on social media about things like empowerment, clarity, and all these other subjects that we talked about in this episode. Huge shout out to Ron Vagus for producing and directing. Thank you very much, Ronnie. 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