 All right, looks like we're live sweet nice layout on your stream. Ah, thank you. Thank you young man. You'll do Oh, I see how you're doing it. Okay. Yeah, it's just a plug into OBS plug into or stream labs OBS Just plug in the Google hangout and just make a little custom layout for it. That's awesome I want to think about that for for our prime cast. Yeah, it's all good. All right. Hey guys, how's it going? Is it still private? It's it's live on my end. Yeah, it's weird, right? Yeah, why does it hold on? I don't know my why is my video saying private? That's not what it's supposed to say Okay, for some reason it's not switching back and forth on the Google hangout for some reason I don't know why but even when I talk, but whatever I can click back and forth. So it's all good Go to the My stream on my end to make sure that I didn't screw with the setting While you do that Let me reopen this. So you're good There we go. We know why does this still say private? Uh, well while you're doing that, I'm gonna I'm gonna read off some comments in the chat here. So Jonathan Drew says oh jay, we need the 49ers hat. Yeah, man. The 49ers hat It's actually uh, the person that was helping me with my hair because you guys know I almost went bald He told me to stop wearing hats. So So the 49ers hat's not coming back man until I have like a full thick Bushy head of hair like I had in high school because I had I could grow an afro Like, you know, so until that comes back then that's when the hat will come back when that happens, you know Until then you guys are getting you're getting short hair. Oh jay Oh All right, now I think it's live Okay, we good. Yeah, I think we're good. All right. Go ahead All right Hey everyone, welcome to um, this is definitely not uh, player essence this first debate over there um Welcome to my first ever hosted debate. It is appearing on both channels technically I'm the one originally hosting it so I'm hosting a debate between me and player essence We are debating on My basically the recent video I made that sparked all this about I could Nintendo become the next EA and my thoughts on all that that I gave then um And obviously oj is on the side that hell no And uh, I'm on the side that yeah, it could happen. So Before we get into anything just because I I've noticed some trash talking fans on my side This is kind of what what happens when you have two youtube channels clashing two big personalities Um, there's no love lost like between og and I no matter what happens tonight Uh, we feel like we respect each other enough that we didn't need to bring in a third party to moderate it I and cut us off if like we're getting Too off might be like we're gonna try really hard not to cut each other off Um, and let each other get our full points in and pass it over We don't necessarily have timers on this. It's kind of like all right Here you go make your point and then repute and just go back and forth and we see where it goes I don't have a current time limit on this. We'll see if we can keep it at about an hour. I would think Um, just for my sake because I do have another stream I have to do tonight And I and I don't so And my daughter my daughter spending the night at grandma. So, you know, I'm I'm doing the shimmy the rest of tonight guys Okay, I'm shimmy in tonight And you're more than welcome to be on my my other stream as well I mentioned before we have a prime cast tonight I'll be watching but I I'm watching unsolved mysteries tonight. I'm doing the unsolved mystery shimmy tonight Gotta enjoy the kid-free night. Yeah Oh, heck yeah, I'm kid-free tonight too. I don't know how the hell this happened, but I have to work because I was sleeping all day. I don't know if I can tell I got kind of a What is work prime? I have I do not have a job. So I'm sorry. I never never heard Is it is youtube really a job if you that's that thing that I used to do and I always got fired. Yeah, I know nothing Nothing about this prime All right Um, I guess we'll just give give right into it. Um Since it was my video that's part and I guess I'll just kind of give a quick, um A quick gist of what that video was about and then will that play lessons kind of uh Rebute some of the initial statements and then we'll just go from there. Um, so basically the premise of My side was that obviously nintendo is not ea right now. Like that's not even But that would be a really silly debate. I will lose that in two seconds um But my my point was that uh, nintendo is doing a lot of things collectively that um Could get worse over time if it remains unchecked now Whether or not nintendo is going to check themselves before they wreck themselves We don't know because that that's a future that is yet to be determined But I looked at some things they're currently doing. Um, we've actually slightly had this debate one other time on smash cast about the smash Bros dlc About how my feelings on that uh on smash Bros dlc for wii u and 3ds Where you're basically paying double price for the game for all of this content That isn't even remotely close to the same value you get for the cost of the game So I feel like it's just overpriced Very overpriced and nickel and diming consumers and it's weird because the bundles for the game Cost more collectively than just buying the content individually. Don't know why they did that that is weird Don't know if it was always that way. That's just the most recent bundles. There's like 18 or 19 different ways they bundled all the extra content over time Because they did release each character and stage like individually over time So there there's that side of things. There's what they have done with fire emblem echoes That just a shit storm Way too much Little pockets of dlc like if people don't want to consider the smash Bros dlc micro transactions I don't know how you can consider fire emblem echoes not one like everything's like two bucks each and it's like Azillion different things. I think there was like 22 different things and it all adds up like in there There season pass to be like 45 dollars, which is 30 off of what it would cost to buy it all individually When the game itself only costs 40 dollars and you're getting like one thirtieth of the content for 45 dollars Versus things where Nintendo has done things right Or at least what I view is right whereas Mario Kart 8 and Wii U You know that it was like 16 bucks 20 bucks. You get basically another half of a Mario Kart game Obviously Hyrule Warriors. I brought that up as an example I know it's not Nintendo for that So it's a little a little bit of a misnomer because that's just a partnership and that that's more on koei tecmo Side of things and how they handle the the warrior series But my feelings, you know, you take that you take what they're doing on mobile For a lot of people say Nintendo doesn't have loot boxes. They don't have loot boxes in their console games yet They have it on the mobile side And the one game they have that is completely built around new boxes is also their most profitable mobile games Um, and we have yet to see if that will transfer into something For in the future I'm actually less concerned about the fire emblem series because I think they've Clearly done something with echoes and awakening where the next fire emblem on switch. I'm very scared at how they're going to handle DLC on that um But the premise is that obviously everyone knows ea is is super super greedy super shitty when it comes to the Neat handling of dlc loot boxes micro transactions and for those who don't know the history here um, ea technically started their micro transaction dlc stuff With the loot box thing in fifa with fifa ultimate team. It's how it all started. Um I put up a random thing event like 15 years ago. I wasn't exact sure the exact date of the time It was just they started doing it a while ago Um, and then over time as profits started to rise from that they started realizing We need to do more of this. So now that's why there's madden and ultimate team. That's why there's um loot boxes And practically most things they do today, but beyond loot boxes. They also have little micro transaction dlcs. They also sell um expansions That are sometimes way more expensive versus the content you get Um, ea has been criticized for all of this over the years. My main point was is that Most of the time when nintendo starts to dabble in this which is is more recent, right? It's only been like the last two three years Um, well, I guess awakening they really whenever awakening came out. It's probably my opinion when they first started doing um I've seen it progressively become Happening more and more and more and getting slightly worse And when that's the case I worry not so much about what they're doing now even if I disagree with their pricing I worry about if we Continue to applaud what they're doing like with smash bros That they're just going to do more of it and get worse and worse with it So that's that's my base premise from that video Okay, um Okay, I I've got to talk about this prime because you are so off base It's you are so off base what you're trying to compare to the problem with ea isn't dlcs Okay, isn't dlcs and how like you're comparing to the ea the problem with ea is micro transactions Unlimited micro transactions within a game It's not dlcs and the problem with comparing them to nintendo is that nintendo offers more of a full experience Compared to ea they offer you a great single player campaign with hundreds of hours of content all of the games that you just named Have hundreds of hours of content while ea is offering you games like for example star wars battlefront The first one was there a single player in that game? No, no single player in that game, but they have a season pass for $50 But they don't even have a single player game. They've a single player They follow that up with star wars battlefront 2 and I looked up the research So you're trying to say that nintendo could become this star wars battlefront 2 Looking at some of the research that we have here my guy star wars battlefront 2 it would take you About $4,000 to buy everything that star wars battlefront 2 has to offer in terms of extra dlcs that they offer Okay, and you're comparing that to nintendo with super smash brothers with the game that already has more content Than star wars battlefront will ever have it has multiplayer It has all that and then it already has more content in there on top of that and everything with the dlcs is optional It is not intertwined with how you play the game to the point to where other people are going to destroy you because they don't have These certain things so comparing these two companies and especially with the prices here $4,000 compared to smash brothers if you want everything across both games I think it's it's it's a hundred and one dollars If you want everything across 3ds and we you if you don't it's about 70 something dollars And the problem with smash brothers what you don't understand is that smash brothers It takes thousands upon thousands upon thousands of hours to Get a new character to test that character to balance that character to patch that character You don't understand how much time goes into it compared to ea's dlc, which is get hand solos gun Okay, like get hand solos blaster So the fact that you're comparing these two companies is absolutely ridiculous Now I thought you made a typo when you first put up your video I thought you met microsoft was becoming more like ea um, so before I let you talk Um microsoft is actually the company becoming more like ea loot boxes and racing games forza horizon need for speed They've done it extra passes like for example ea axis and also microsoft game pass. They've done it funny how ea axis isn't on sony's platform, but it's on microsoft's platform Maybe because they they kind of think alike another thing that we can talk about here when it comes to microsoft and them Our microsoft tried to quell used games right ea tried to do the same thing back in the 2000s With uh with madden and their their their games with the online season pass and what did microsoft trying to do That's why microsoft and ea such good buddies because those are the actual things that you should be connecting is between microsoft and ea not between nintendo because Smash brothers is a contracted thing. They they are higher guns. It is bandai namco and it's saura That stuff's gonna be expensive to test and do all that It's just not going to be cheap To do all that and I think you don't understand how much goes into a smash brothers game and a dlc character It's not like a dollar to make this it's like literally hours of testing and testing and creating things just for one character That's why there's not a ton of dlc characters There's a few different characters in there and that's it because it's a lot of work saccharized hand almost fell off Um, I want to give you a chance to respond though. I have some more numbers But if I want to give you a chance to respond to what I said, sure So the the the big thing the big disconnect here is Well, we're started as i'm a nintendo channel So i'm i'm i diving into the microsoft pool or diving into the sony pool or And stuff like that because obviously there's more connections you can make with other companies, you know going down the ea path My premise isn't that nintendo today is doing what ea is doing today then Let's bring up an example because obviously you talked a lot about how You buy a game from like battlefront and it doesn't feel complete unless you buy it by the dlc Or in battlefront 2's case participating all the microtransactions stuff now granted they cut some of that out brought some back I'm not exactly 100 clear on where they stand today with what they're doing with it, but Neither here nor there when they started doing the Uh loot box stuff back in uh fifa ultimate team. Did they cut anything from fifa when they added that motive? Did they cut anything from fifa? I'm not a big fifa player But here's what I know about fifa if you want to have the best team in fifa ultimate team or the fifa ultimate team Need about eight grand sure you want to have the best team and another thing that I know about fifa and what they do there Fifa they make it extremely hard They they mess with the game Okay in order you have to pay for loot boxes and microtransactions in order to even be competitive With nintendo games you don't have to do that. You don't have to do that to be competitive They give you full experiences. It's not even close to being like I mean nintendo needs to work their way up to ubi soft Then they need to work their way up to activision and then ea is right there at the next door They still have a bunch of bosses to go through before they even get anywhere near ea like I said between these two games between fifa and between star wars battlefront that is $12,000 that you could have potentially spent in order to get on top in those games Whereas you can literally buy every single game nintendo has released Since the we you and the switch for that amount of price and all the dlc And one more thing before I kind of let you get back into it here. You're looking at nintendo There's a reason why ea doesn't do uh remasters There's a reason why it's because they don't want to give people free stuff They don't want to give people content. You know what i'm saying? That's why the reason that's the reason why they don't do it They don't want to give people console whereas nintendo at least people complain about the prices for games At least they give you everything with that game with hyrule warriors definitive edition with myokar 8 deluxe with bayonetta One and two ea isn't giving you remasters. They've done like what the burnout and that was it They don't want to give you remasters. What we're going to give them free content No, we're good. We rather do micro transactions and litter the game and inhibit your progress and you're even talking about mobile Have you seen their latest mobile game with the harry potter stuff that game literally throttles your energy mid game In order for you to pay for their micro transactions and they do the same thing with dungeon keeper It's just been a complete crap storm when it comes to their mobile. Heck and even with nintendo's super mario runs nine bucks Or it's 10 bucks right for the game It's 10 bucks for the game. So even with mobile they're doing it better But if you're looking at their main games, it's not even close here I mean i can go down the list of games here like xeno blade chronicles 2 It gives you hours and hours of content tropical frees no dlc curvy star allies free dlc Mario tennis ace is no dlc for now and captain told judge attractor free dlc included Splatoon 2 free dlc for years now It's going to be multiple years the octo expansion costs money, but that's 20 bucks mario cart Like you said is awesome legend is that all breath of the wild is 20 bucks and gives you hours upon hours of content ea says that Single player games are not, you know, they don't like single player games Nintendo says that single player games are still here to stay where is the connection between these two companies outside of you Planning about smash with this dlc, which is far cheaper the need for speed for example need for speed payback That game had $50 for micro transactions littered through it And you had to grind for hours upon hours upon hours to get speed cards to get Imagine if they did that a mario car where you had to grind for 100 hours to get speed cards And they they force you into buying micro transactions. It's not even close guys. Nintendo is nowhere near It's it's not even close. I that's why I thought it was laughable that you'd even bring these two In the same sentence. Like I just went through all the games here. I mean, but like I said, I want to give you a chance to respond Yeah, so the thing is when I brought up that fee for comparison I asked you Did they cut anything from the game to add ultimate team because the answer is no they didn't But they started a mode built around micro transactions and built around Um built around the the loop box system and that's fine Like that sucks for people who actually I don't even know if it sucks because My my thing with that and like I buy madden every year right madden has the same thing They don't cut anything from the game to give you that mode You could buy madden and feed but never play those modes never spend a cent They didn't cut content from those games the most profitable games Basically what i'm saying they didn't cut content from it to add in micro transaction based modes Now i'm not saying that I agree with micro transactions based modes And i'm not saying that nintendo is there yet outside of their mobile game fire um murals, but yes free to play but then Loop boxes, that's how they want to do it Not really into that I don't like loot boxes in general. I think they're the plague on gaming Um, I don't know why the esrb said they're not considered gambling I do gamble in real life. I go to casinos once in a while Let me tell you it's the same thing You're just not getting a money value back at least like when I buy a pokemon card pack You might get a card that's worse something and you could sell that if you want But neither here nor there getting back to the actual direct comparisons My thing is everything you're talking about is ea today versus What steps ea went to get to today ea didn't just flip a switch and all their games were like this There was a time ea had no dlc. No micro transactions No loot boxes. They were much like nintendo released full complete games 50 60 bucks Whatever prices vary way back in those days 90s and stuff, but nintendo Isn't at that level. You're right. They they're not at ubisoft's level yet. They're not in microsoft's level yet The point of bringing up ea is that ea is that is that worst-case scenario, right? There are the there are the where nobody wants to be we don't want to ubisoft to get that bad We don't want microsoft to get that bad. We don't want anyone to get that bad But my argument is that if we just keep applauding And the smash rolls dlc is the big one for me people just keep applauding You talked about the thousands of hours and hundreds of hours it takes to make those characters Well, i'm sorry i paid 60 bucks and got 45 characters So why am i paying five bucks for one the valuation there doesn't add up and On top of that they spent what you know a year or two years making all this dlc Uh, you know, I forget how many characters it was. I don't have it in front of me I know it's like five dlc characters or something like that plus some costumes and then stages Um, maybe it's more than five dlc characters now that I think about I just did the math the other day And I didn't I didn't write down the exact number of characters. I just wrote down how much the characters cost, but It's one of those things to me where nintendo today I'm only frustrated in basically four scenarios What they're doing with fire emblem, which you haven't even really addressed much. I'll address that Okay, yeah, I hope that you do Especially the one thing they did in awakening and I didn't play echoes So I don't know if this happened in echoes as well, but in awakening I remember running into the out realm thing on the map and being told hey, you can't continue unless you buy this dlc No, that's shitty stuff that they didn't dragon age origins like that pissed me off and dragging his origins from yeah That's a more modern comparison and that's not I call it a paywall whether or not you consider it a paywall because you can still keep playing So it's not stopping you from playing. It's just you can't go that way unless you pay Um, so that's why in my video I referenced that as a paywall and I wanted to bring that up because there were some people in the comments Calling me up. Where was there a paywall in awakening? Where was there? I'm like well by the time I played awakening When you got into the single player and you're playing you ran into the out realm gate and it's like nope You have to pay to continue the out realm gate is where you buy dlc But that's the thing. That's the thing. That's where you get the dlc. It's not it's not part of the game It's not part of when you're on the map When you're on the map and you're going to the different points on the map One of those points runs into the out realm gate And the thing is is it is not explained to you until you go to it That this is all dlc Buy dlc. That's not the same as stopping your progress in a game It's where you go to buy dlc because the 3ds has a ridiculous people have to build in weird things because the 3ds doesn't support The standard systems of dlc. It's a weird thing that they built into it That's where you go Sure buy or get any dlc has nothing to do with the single player came back You can get a hundred something hours out of it that that is No, no, I don't I said it's not a traditional paywall because as I said as I discovered myself You've got a paywall at all you can continue you can go off another way But my point is you get to it and it's like oh, hey, you want to go here pay this you want to go here Pay that instead of that being separated out from the map. It shouldn't even be on the map You should not run to anything on the map that tells you What does that have to do with being like ea tell me where ea says to where you can go I says this is where you pay for dlc and then I just gave you an example Dragon age origins are on a similar map you run into a point and it says Hey, we have this great content here. Why don't you buy it or go the other direction? What is the What is that is a complete series the problem with that prime? Here's the problem that I have with that Is that you're literally upset with the way that they built into where you go a separate thing saying hey You want dlc you go over here the rest of the game in terms of everything else is over there The fact that you're trying to compare those two and make it into a negative is absolutely Ridiculous that you are saying they you are bad Somewhere on the map to where you buy dlc. So it was okay Was it okay when he hated it Was it okay? It was not a problem with ea. No people are not raging over. Oh my gosh There's a place to where you go to buy dlc. That is not the problem Yeah, you do not know what the problem the problem This is an important question the the problem with ea is micro transactions where they throttle you where they throttle you in games In order people can pay to win they can pay to win That is the problem with ea or if they throttle your progression in games like need for speed You need loot boxes in order to or you need to grind for a million hours. That is not the same thing That is not the problem with ea. Let me address real quick fire emblem with your fire emblem You got to remember intelligent systems intelligent systems split from nintendo nintendo bought them Part of the agreement or the deals with fire emblem or with with intelligent system Is that they have their own ceo? They have their own president or they have their own person who's running it and making crisis They do they do have i'm just letting people know they do have that with fire emblem You get hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of hours of content I've put over 200 hours of content now They don't do everything up to my point that I would like but I guarantee you if they did if they if ea gave you the Amount of content in single player games that you could get with like like for example fire emblem And even with the dlc that they're doing that the way that it's priced that wouldn't be the problem You remember dragon age origin or what was dragon age origins, right or the yeah in position Dragon age in position was the game of the year in 2014 people weren't bashing that game Everybody went out there and bought it dlc was not the problem There was no backlash huge backlash to dragon age inquisition which was game of the year for many people in 2014 It's not like fire emblem So people don't have a problem with fire emblem because it's all optional and they give you hundreds upon hundreds of hours of content Dragon age inquisition is not the problem with ea that game was highly received It did well people weren't complaining about that maybe there were some people chattering But it was nothing like the micro transactions built into throttle you while you play And that's where I have an issues that you're even coming. It's not even close even with smash brothers It's not even close you paid 60 for the content that you get in there Everything in there is in there. You don't need the extra characters It already has 40 something 50 characters built into there It has custom moves built into there if you want the extra characters You can get the extra characters and the prices are very comparable to what bandai namco to what arc system works to what Mortal combat ed boom what those guys it's very comparable to what everyone else does in the fighting game industry So is is ed boom like ea is is netherrealm like ea as well Who else is like ea the whole fighting game industry is like ea the arc system works almost got burned down because of their dlc plan They announced 20 dlc characters at launch It's nothing like smash brothers and it was going to be apparently more in terms of the prices So I don't get this comparison if nintendo is close to being like ea Then everybody's close to being like ea everyone then you should make a video saying netherrealm is like ea Bandai namco is like getting close to being you should you should literally make one because their prices are very comparable To what everyone else is doing in the fighting game industry So I don't see the issue here Like I said there your your claim that nintendo is close to ea is almost baseless It's there's literally nothing that the only thing that I can see here Is that nintendo has a free to play game that does loot boxes But they do it in a much better way ea's mobile games throttle you you can play fire emblem heroes And not buy anything and you'll be fine You are not throttled by having to buy micro transactions people like the game so much So they decide to spend it but ea has ran into multiple issues with their micro transactions Even in their mobile games where people revolt dungeon keeper was one of them looked at up guys Also, like I said the new game the harry potter game that just came out that game is trash Completely trash with what they do. It's not even close I don't I don't see where this is coming from nintendo prime and I honestly don't I don't know see where this is coming from So here's the thing Remember what I said at the very beginning Nintendo isn't close to being like ea. That's not even what I said in the video. They're not even on the track I they're not even they're not even on the track, but you say they're not on the track They're not not not on the track would be they don't do any micro transactions They don't do any loot boxes, but then everyone's on the track then literally everyone is on the track But that's but I'm a nintendo like I'm not I don't care about everyone else. I'm talking about nintendo nintendo has good in my opinion nintendo has Basically two ways they've done this they've explored the track that leads to ea And then they've explored the track that still gives them money for additional content But is also pro consumer at the same time. It's more about everybody wins scenario where maricard 8 perfect everybody wins on that one Whereas I mean Jesus that that's the biggest example. You can argue Uh, that breath of the wild is kind of in that same vein Uh, you could also argue it's not because for 20 bucks. Some people don't care about the first dlc fact personal subjective thing But overall I think that even though I feel like master mode should have been a free edition because they've had hard modes for free before Whatever they they up the enemy count. They leveled up all the enemies. That's stuff They didn't really do before they would just make it so you didn't have recovery hearts and stuff like that So I'll I'll set that aside say breath of the wild maricard 8 those are practically the perfect examples for how DLCs should be done how Like well one thing we have to clarify is I feel like I understand your viewpoint on micro transactions you view micro transactions, correct me if I'm wrong as the purchasing of In-game currency to buy something in the game traditionally loot boxes, but other things as well Micro transactions are infinite purchases. It's not dlc downloadable content is when you you pick something you get that It's done. You get that pokemon on poke end. You get it. That's not a micro transaction That's just dlc now micro transactions like like fire emblem heroes It's infinite you can just keep on spending and spending and spending and ea does that in main Big triple a games nintendo isn't even close the closest nintendo has ever gotten to doing that in a main game Is bravely default and that's not their game. They just they just published it Yeah, that's the closest they've ever gotten that and it's it's pointless. You don't even need it's completely useless So that's the issue that I see or to be on the track. I would need to see them get to ubisoft's level Right. We would need to see like assassin's creed origins that has micro transactions built into it. Do you need them? No, does it throttle you not really but they're there in a main triple a game I would need to see multiple games get to that point I would need to see nintendo start throttling you in ways to where I can say, okay Well, hold up here. We're being throttle because these micro transactions are making me grind for 15 hours more. I mean guys Anybody chat everyone that we're looking here We're looking at this guys the grand total of nintendo's dlc for every single wii u game or not every single sorry Yeah, actually every single or just like just say switch and the wii u is about 240 dollars Is if you want all their dlc it acts in smash brothers as well That's 100 something the rest of it is pretty cheap for all these different games It's about 240 three dollars if ea did this now they would be applauded Okay, back in the day. This is what ea would do ea would try to take away your used games They didn't just it wasn't just like you said light switch. It wasn't that ea literally started doing crappy things from the very beginning Taken away modes taken away single players doing stupid. This is this is the stuff that ea does It's not even close if ea did what nintendo is doing right now They would be applauded and everyone would love them just like dragon age in position is loved by heck Just people in my village that somehow convinced me that dragon age in position is better than mass effect I'm a huge mass effect fanboy and I was just like, you know, I'm gonna stop arguing now because that's how many people Love dragon age in position So if they did everything that dragon age in position people wouldn't have a problem because that game is loved by many many many people so right 4,000 guys star wars battle for two if you want to unlock everything at the beginning 4528 hours 4,000 528 hours to unlock everything in star wars battle for two or 2100 dollars You can get you a few switches hook your friends up hook a couple girlfriends up hook your boyfriend up Hook your kids up for that about and you can get all the dlc And you can get all the dlc you want for those games and all the games ea's trashed here That's one thing that I know after doing my research ea's trashed here I don't know if there's anything that you can say to hide what ea's doing compared to nintendo It's not even on the tracks my guy. I need to see some more micro transactions coming to this. Here's the here's the problem Here's the problem You've addressed almost zero of the things I brought up You talked about all these things ea does what cutting content. That's not how it started They didn't start by cutting content. They added things that were specific to dlc and micro transactions They didn't cut they didn't cut content. Oh, that's not how it started. It didn't start that way A year ago ea did not cut content for dlc and micro transactions Yes, it did it started by taking away like use games use games. They started to try to take away people's acts This is greed doing dumb things. This is what ea does. They said, um, we want to see if we want to get rid of use games Okay, what do we do? Oh, we're going to charge for a season pass and all my like they they did start by You're talking about the use game industry. That's an entirely separate argument We're talking about what they're doing with brand new games when they release them There is nothing 15 years ago ea did with cutting content cutting content was never originally what ea did They got to that point. We don't want nintendo my whole argument here is Nintendo is starting to do things where they are nickel and diamond consumers. Maybe it's not infinite micro transactions Except for fire emblem and arguably animal crossing pocket camp. We didn't really talk about that yet We don't play games Well, but here's the thing What if they view the fortune what happened with fortune cookies is an animal crossing for switch I don't know. That's a hypothetical. That's not But what i'm saying is everything i'm i'm talking about in that video is a hypothetical It's about where nintendo could go ea is the worst-case scenario, but ea didn't get to there overnight They didn't start by cutting content. They didn't start by By charging people extra money for a little like ea Okay, we've been focusing on loop boxes because that's that's the number one thing like ea's criticized I brought up dragonate origins. You immediately jumped into acquisition Didn't even address the origins thing because my question was did you play origins because I did I was on the ea forums. I was on on neogat for the time I was on youtube I was on all these errors the number one complaint in origins was that the immersion was broken in that game By running into something on the map that said hey by dlc Immersion breaking is not something that should happen What should happen is the dlc to buy it should be in the menu system Once you're in the game, there shouldn't be anything in the game indicating to you and this happens with everyone this isn't just an ea or or or you know The case for the nintendo game, but This shouldn't happen This shouldn't be something that people accept and they don't like like you talked about fire emblem You talked about the value Did you know that that in the fire emblem community fire? Echoes is one of the most hated games in the fire emblem community because of how it handled its dlc Let me let me tell you something fire emblem the fire emblem community is completely split Okay, i'm a huge fire emblem fan. I go into this if you talk to one person They'll say fire emblem echoes is the best you talk to another person. They'll say awakening is the best You talk to another person. They'll say therace is the best the fire emblem community is one of the most split Slash non organized communities I mean, I would They're split because they're split between old school and new school That's the split between fire emblem how awakening and on those things Compared to the past and how they did that's the split between the community anything that you hear about like how dlc or anything like that's That's a very small amount of the community fire emblem echoes already gives you tons and tons of content You don't need any of that dlc a lot of it's just trash anyway You don't need the you don't need the dlc the problem with you Here's the main problem that I have with your point The main problem with your point is that you're trying to argue that nintendo is going to get to that way Or ea somehow got to that way by breaking immersion in Dragon age origins with dlc that was just one example That was just one example, but it's example that you've brought up now a couple times. I personally experienced that one That's not the problem. That's not how ea got to the point to where they are It was an immersion breaking that that that is not how ea I think your whole premise is how ea got to how they were is not the biggest problem The biggest where they got to how they were was the mobile industry and seeing how much money they could make off of Michael Chen's actions. That's where ea went off the rocker. Okay, and nintendo's already in the mobile industry They just started getting into it So what's to stop them from progressing that to get worse because they know the difference They know how do you know they know the difference because you look at all the games. They've been releasing Why if they've been doing dlc now for how many years since the wii u dlc's been coming out I've been doing it very long But they've been doing it for they've been doing it for five five plus years now Sure I'll give you that they've been doing it and they've been announcing new games And those new games mario tennis aces curbie curbie has free dlc Yoshi's probably gonna have free dlc or no dlc. They've continued to make games. They've had interviews. They've talked about this They see the way ea is and fans want extra content for these games They are doing it the right way and they are making a lot of money off of their normal single player games because they are Doing it the right way. Let me ask you Is fire emblem echoes dlc worth it for 45 dollars No, it's not worth it and you don't need it But but that's my point. It's still there If you are going to give that dlc like if you're going to charge 45 dollars for dlc for a fire emblem game You should basically expect fire emblem echoes two in that dlc Instead what you've got is one 30th of the content my argument here my entire argument with with dlc And by the way, when I when I asked your definition of microtransactions earlier It's because I disagree with it. That is one form of microtransaction other companies have called microtransactions as an example Blizzard Entertainment for world of warcraft calls microtransactions any small transaction to buy one thing So you buy a pet for two dollars. That's a microtransaction. It's a small transaction It's a way to get little bits of money from people a lot of times over time That's how I define microtransactions But the industry doesn't but most people define microtransactions as what the mobile games are doing They don't define dlc Mobile games do that too Buy individual things dlc is dlc microtransactions or microtransactions We need to make sure that we make a separate cause of this because you can't call Legend of zelda microtransactions because you can buy like you can't call that That's the distinction The the Legend of zelda dlc isn't a small purchase. That's a 15 plus dollar purchase We're talking two three four dollars. Those are dinky little things people don't notice That's a that's a couple mcdoubles at mcdonald's Little little charges people don't pay attention to that's what happened with smash bros Four dollars for a character here 75 cents for a skin here two dollars for a stage there It all adds up to 60 plus dollars and it's like that's But but they what they did is they charged you 60 no, so soon to get everything but even if you don't You get you get everything 60 plus dollars. You didn't get 60 plus dollars worth of content. You got I don't know comparative to the original smash game five dollars worth of content compared to that Now obviously we have to pull that not everyone buys everything But even then you like you never addressed this point. I pay I think it was about six dollars for bayonetta at the time. Maybe it's five dollars now. I can't Whatever you paid five you just wanted a hunts system. It's cheap. I think it might be cheaper than that But it just spends on them. Yeah, I think six was for both four for each something like that Anyways, so you buy the character four bucks for we Okay, so you're telling me at least when I when I get out of this as a consumer I paid four dollars for bayonetta So then every character in smash rules are worth four dollars, isn't it because they all take that amount of time to balance That's not how deep that's not how it works. That's not how it works for a consumer No, that's not how it works for 20 bucks and give you all of it Like they did with mario kart 8 they gave you more content in mario kart 8 for 16 dollars Mario car 60 dollars in smash And all of it was developed after the fact that's because you don't understand the type of difference between A character in smash brothers and a track in mario kart. Listen. Listen Value what you hold up hold up time out time out what you think is of value. Okay, if you spent 1,500 hours using bayonetta and smash brothers compared to I don't know like then that four dollars was worth your money You might not use all the then that you can't say each character is worth this amount This is worth this amount. This is worth this amount. That's not how it works. Everybody They have to spend the same amount of time on every character. No, they don't have to spend the same amount of time on every character You are not part of the development team. You're not either. You don't know what I do know that no listen. Listen. I do know this because there are characters that are you smash brothers developer Then you don't know you are assuming let me finish let me finish Okay, the reason why I know is because characters a lot of characters have the same move sets They don't have to think of completely different things for each character link has the same base of how he moves What they want him to do and everything that does not take as much time as developing a brand new character A third party character from scratch like bayonetta who's never been in a smash brothers game That is not the same amount of time to develop a cloud or somebody that is completely different What about the new characters they add to the smash game that's they're in the game when you buy it and even still with that You you just don't like the dlc. It's nothing like ea This is the nickel and diming ea does Nintendo's already doing some of it and I don't want it to get worse That's not nickel and diming except that they're doing now that's gonna keep it even worse providing you a character That you can spend up to a thou I've seen people spend up to a thousand hours using bayonetta. That is not nickel and diming you bayonetta was Okay, okay In the game before the dlc came We don't know everybody's different. That's why value is not assigned to what you think Nintendo prime value is assigned to the user and what they Think you might not think bayonetta is worth four dollars or whatever somebody else Who's gonna spend who's gonna spend that's what you're talking from a pro consumer level if they would just say $20 season pass smash bros all future dlc. That's what they have done with some games That's how the that's like the consumer friendly way to do it develop things after a fact give everybody all the content because It's smash bros as an example You know how you need to buy those characters if and you're you talk from the competitive space, right? Like you do competitive smash bros a little bit If you're in the competitive space, you have to buy all the characters because you have to learn how to counter it You have to learn how to counter them. You can't counter them if you get a practice against them You don't need to buy all the characters if you play online How do you counter if it's not in your game if you play online you'll fight against those characters You do not practice professional smash that line That is bullshitting practices online all the time Oh, so when you are at How many smash brothers? Okay, name the top players and smash brothers name them Uh, man. I don't know. Whatever the one's attendant doesn't play smash four. He plays melee name the top character You don't know a single top player. Then you're trying to tell me how people practice I spend a smash tournament. They play it in person on the same system. They're not playing online Nibro plays online bull plays online zero plays online anti plays online I'm saying ideally you're not gonna learn how to counter bayonetta Okay, all those players you mentioned I guarantee they own every single dlc character. I guarantee it Something I know some I know some nintendo pink fresh didn't even own a wii you and he's a top competitor in smash He didn't even own a wii you for years But when he practices whether it's on a wii you Or not, he's practicing with the characters in the game and you're talking about the general consumer You're talking about professional smash brothers. How many people are professional smash brothers players out of everybody else You're saying that they have to buy you don't have to buy anything You're not a professional smash brothers player. You're never going to be a professional smash brothers player So there's no need for you to buy anything if you feel they need it, but you don't Because they're trying to win money. You're you're missing my point. It's You're making a horrible point. There's a point. I'm making a pro consumer point Would you rather pay 60 dollars for all that dlc to have like I don't okay forget forget competitive I should do it that direction My point is I like playing complete video games, right when I buy a game I want a complete game. So a lot of games. I really enjoy like smash bros I want to have a complete roster. I want to have this week. No, it's not complete when there's a dish There's additional characters. You need to buy them to have a complete roster It gives you more characters than any other fight name But there doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what they give you. There's still additional characters I don't have because I have to buy them. Are you trying to tell me that smash brothers for 60 dollars is not a complete game Is that what you're trying to say? No, what I'm saying is the dlc for 60 dollars. It's overpriced, man But you're saying that you just said it right now at the gate that you want a complete game for 60 dollars So are you trying to say that smash brothers is no I never said the initial price of entry isn't worth it What I am saying is once they start releasing additional content that content should be consumer friendly and pricing Instead what they did is they nickel and dimes people why is your opinion? Um, how you value content? Why is that a fact? Why are you trying to push that as a because it doesn't matter how you value a content But here's the here's all works. Why are you trying to push your content cost xml to make you charge xml for profits You can value that content as five dollars. It's worth a thousand hours. You don't know how much you charge for costs They make the same money whether you play that character for a thousand hours or 10 hours Hey, here's the same amount of money for nintendo. Listen, you do not know the prices of how much it costs nor do you All what we do know and that's why i'm saying that's why i'm not the one saying that it's overpriced You are I'm saying that it's price did they put the same amount of work Hold on did they put the same amount of work into that dlc as they did the full game Do you have enough information to know that do you do you have enough information who's saying that it's not that it's overpriced or not I'm saying I will buy look at the content disparity man The content disparity is massive Here's 60 here's dlc for 60 dlc equals 130th of the content's materials But no they put the same amount of effort into both But they can't because they created how they created way more unique stages for 60 way more unique characters for 60 Way more modes for 60 and then they charge you all this stuff on the side That adds up to the same price as as less content than they already gave you in the game They even if they straight ported everything from melee into the game didn't up res anything Didn't work in any moveset if you look at the pure amount of new characters new stages New costumes for 60 dollars for that full game Versus dlc with new new characters new costumes new stages. You're getting shat on in comparison, man Not to be close. Why do you think that you need to buy everything? You are not you're not about buying everything It's about you pay for the game is worth it The dlc that you want if you want to pick and choose is worth whatever you want to pay You are making it seem as if nintendo is putting a gun to your head It's comparative value. It's comparative. It's pricing valuation. It's I cannot even care about one It's it's we are making a shitload more money off of you Listen, you'll see them the problem is that you are injecting your own opinion. It's not an opinion. It's a fact No, it's not a fact for less If you have the characters then you didn't get your value then if you don't use half the characters Then by your base then oh all of a sudden these characters work. Listen, you don't increase the value of the game after the fact And how is this related? How does this get to ea? Tell me where I have ea ea nickels and dimes consumers, right? You talked about the unlimited micro transactions Nintendo has it in mobile games. We'll see if that gets worse anywhere else My point is that we are accepting the fact that they are charging you because in totality More for this dlc than for the original base game That should not be allowed, man Can I tell you why individual pieces those individual pieces Value-wise is worth more of an individual piece of smash bro calm down the reason why people accept smash brothers Just didn't hike over you again Because they real because they realize they realize that whatever they want to buy is worth the amount of man hours in content Value is considered by the consumer people aren't doing arithmetic to figure out each character and basing Okay, this is worth three. This is worth two. This is worth four. I think each character is split up That is not how games are. That's not how dlc is. That's not how anything is That's not how any consumer puts in a consumer gets their base game But they get plenty of content for what they want and they can They consider the value for whatever dlc that they're going to buy If they're going to put 5 000 hours into bayonetta, then it's more than worth It doesn't matter if the game has 40 characters based on the consumer people individual consumer and what they want The problem with your argument here is that you're complaining about smash brothers But smash brothers still with all the dlc doesn't even compare to ea. It's not even close to being ea Because that ea No, it's not ea today There are a million other developers that have done this before with dlc And they're not close to being ea and it's been how many years now mortal combat has been for how many years There's been dlc in that in terms of how they price the dlc for how many years in mortal combat Netherrealm is not ea There are multiple other fighting game developers that are not ea or not close to being ea That have done the same thing if not more You trying to say that smash brothers Which is a contracted out game from expensive hired hands in sakurai and in bandai namco Is somehow saying that nintendo is going to turn into ea is absolutely ridiculous because it's not just smash By a third party developer smash brothers is developed by bandai namco and it's contracted by sore They are not cheap. It is not cheap to do what they do That's the reason why smash brothers has a dlc it does whereas mario kart handled in house They can do some extra tracks, but i can guarantee you extra tracks in mario kart and some skins and like playing as like I don't know like mega man with a mega man helmet that does not take any weird near No word near the amount of time as smash brothers, so it's priced accordingly. Okay You don't you don't know mario kart adlc's pricing compared to what it took to develop the pricing But you don't know you're not a developer. You know, you don't know what nintendo's pain No, i do know because i know here's here's common sense. Here's common sense. It's not common sense says that A fighting game character that you need to put balanced patches that you need to take time And from what sakurai said takes a lot more time than making a model of a character and plopping him into a car You don't need to balance mario kart's characters. You know, he never commented on mario kart They have no stats mario kart characters have They don't have stats like why do the stats of every single card adjusted The cards have a weight class and that that's it. They don't have intrinsic Smash brothers They don't have moves like smash brothers I can guarantee you based on what sakurai said that it takes a lot more money and time to develop a smash brothers character Now you're being ridiculous net now you're being ridiculous You're being you're being ridiculous because you're trying to sit here and tell me that a yoshi skin that a bunch of shy guys Take as much time as as as a review or you know, you don't know you don't know You are talking from a hypothetical I am talking from a paid money standpoint time equals money and i'm talking about a pro consumer standpoint $60 in dlc does not equal smash bros for $60 as a pro consumer There's the thing you're a blindly accepting this and defending a pro business model. I'm not blindly accepting anything Then how is $60 for my own opinion? Here's the thing my own opinion doesn't have to be your opinion your opinions that it's not pro consumer My opinion is that damn these guys work really hard on these characters sakurai almost lost his hand I'm gonna use this character for 700 hours That he re you is worth more than 15 other characters in the game because I am going to use this character I am going to get value out of this character. No, I do not treat all characters in smash brothers equally No, just like tweak is probably saying man. Like I've made like $30,000 off of playing with bayonetta or um, or uh, what's it called? Sampson or or any of these pro players that use bayonetta captain zack They're like, you know what that was worth my four dollars because I don't use half the cast and bayonetta is my main And I've won majors with bayonetta So everybody's not going to blindly accept your point of view because they see value differently and that's what you're trying to do you're trying to push your mindset onto everyone else is Value smash brothers differently than you do you're a casual you don't play it the way that other people play it Okay So stop trying to push your mindset on others people value things more than others My mindset is an objective viewpoint of value of content versus what is delivered for price. That's all i'm doing I'm not telling you individually bayonetta is not worth the money for you as a person I'm not telling people how to spend their money if they want to buy these characters And these stages and the clc because it feels worth the value to them That is fine. What i'm saying is there is a disparity in valuation across what nintendo is doing That's your opinion. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. There's an opinion Because you can buy content at marty card 8 for 20 dollars then you get $20 in smash That's not even because I like the content. I don't I'm not even saying I like the content marty card 8 better It's a valuation of you get twice the game for 20 bucks The game isn't as in-depth as smash You are comparing apples and oranges to smash rolls costs more than 60 dollars then apples and oranges You're trying to compare more than 60 dollar games should smash rolls cost more than 60 dollars if it's worth more than marty card They're both 60. That's how nintendo prices it. That's their models. They don't price the base model that consumers have to look at I'm looking at this as a consumer. You are getting a half You're getting marty card 8.5 for 20 dollars. You're getting smash rolls 1.1 for 60 dollars You keep you're comparing two games. It's apples and oranges. Okay. It is not the same thing Mario kart is not the same as smash brother. It's marty card not dlc It's smash rolls not dlc. So how is it not comparable? None of them takes thousands upon thousands upon thousands of hours to complete How do you know that mario kart doesn't take thousands? Mario kart does not have a bunch of different balance path. Mario kart does not have as much balance patches It's not contracted out. It's not it There's so many differences between the two the balance patches, which is time when how many times have they patched mario kart? How many times have they patched mario kart 8 deluxe? I'm not sure if it's not mad You should probably go back to 8 because 8 You can count it on maybe one or two ads. I can tell you there has been multiple multiple patches for super smash brothers The time it takes to balance and to test characters has been way more There is not a single person. There's not a single person That's going to tell you in the video game industry if you want to get some professionals on here That's going to say, you know what? I think modeling A dlc character in in mario kart takes more time or has equal value as making a super smash They don't have to test and balance it Who they don't have to test and balance mario kart characters No, they don't have to test and balance mario kart characters like smash brothers No, because it's not mario kart is not a fighting game. No, they don't No, boy Let's get off and smash for a moment because I feel like you and I obviously don't see eye-to-eye on smash Nobody sees eye-to-eye with you because everyone buys the dlc and nobody nobody complains like you complain about the dlc So who sees eye-to-eye with you? Who sees eye-to-eye? I mean you can read the comments There's people that see what I am saying is the valuation of the I'm arguing the content's too expensive Overall and I'm arguing that your opinion is not fact because you are basing off value And all of your current arguments for your opinion is in fact either From a consumer standpoint value is based on what they put into it Sure a character in smash brothers might not be valuable to you, but it might be valuable somebody else I don't think it's not valuable to me I'm just saying like I don't think but like I said back to your main point I don't see how this is not like ea. This does not make nintendo like ea This is contracted development out to saura and his company and bandai namco It is not internally nintendo intelligent systems. They put their prices on things Tell me where nintendo since you want to sit here and brandish all them Tell me where nintendo is doing these things to make it like ea or anywhere close. You said mario kart was good I mentioned a bunch of other games. That's good. Tell me where tell me where they are doing You're talking about the comments on your page because the people they think like you But i'm looking at the sales and the sales say that nobody has a problem with the price of smash brothers dlc people That that's what i'm looking at that no, and you know what? You know how many you know that a vast majority of people that use phone games don't have a problem with microtransactions Does that mean microtransactions are okay? The vast majority of people do have problems with michael No, they don't They're hardcore people you talk to a vast majority consumers are your mom or your dad or Joe small in a hotel that spends 100 bucks randomly. They don't have an issue with it They keep doing it the game is free to play and if they want to spend their money on the game They spend their money on the game. So that's i don't have a problem with microtransactions If the game is done, right? Like I don't have a problem with that if the game is the right that is not on the way What's a done right microtransaction game for you? What What game does microtransactions right fire emblem heroes is fine I've played it and never felt the need to buy a microtransaction. Okay All right, I hear you on that because I played it as well. I've never bought a microtransaction But you've never felt the need to buy a microtransaction Well, the game encourages you to early on when you're not getting those five stars early It doesn't mean you have to It's like the fortune cookies and apple crossing You don't have to get them the game is free. So they are trying to monetize their game It's a free to play game. So they are trying to monetize their game. Sure Sure, it's it's it's a very simple thing I I don't see where this leads to the tracks of nintendo becoming ea I don't think you've set a single thing here that's going to lead to the tracks You are taking something The tracks are this here's the path. Okay, nintendo is nowhere near ea That was never my argument So all the current day comparisons all the stuff is irrelevant because that's not the way ea was anyways They got to that point over time. They started nico and it wasn't just loot boxes by the way They did this with dlc stuff as well Like certain dlc stuff killed specific franchises at ea over the years when they weren't trying to do loot boxes Loot boxes are actually the things they like because it works in multiplayer games They can't really put it in single player as much so they tried other methods like nintendo does and it led to the franchise is dying So what my arguments here are It isn't that It isn't that nintendo is ea. It's that they are doing loot boxes now. No one's really complaining. They are doing Uh, you know what I view is microtransactions little charges for little pieces of content You might value it is a big piece of content for a little bit of money However, you want to look at it like we just talked about smash characters, but didn't even touch on the skins We didn't touch on the Stages all that stuff. We don't touch anything that we focus on the characters because those are the Probably the highest value of all the dlc and smash is the characters I think most people agree that character like people want a complete character list It's just a thing like even me as a casual. I like having a complete character list Um and then fire emblem like you talked about the hundreds and hundreds of hours you got for 40 bucks But my point was they got that hundreds of hours But you didn't get that comparatively for the 45 dc dlc now you can talk about development costs You can talk about all this stuff that we don't really have any idea what we know is that nintendo's Digital growth has been growing every year. Some of that is due to more people buying digitally That's obvious switch, especially has seen an uptick in digital purchases And then some of that is also growth and things like loot boxes It's it's growth in micro transactions and dlc you can actually see on their breakdowns That's been growing and when you start seeing that because that's what started with ea They were still making a vast majority of their sales from physical games and digital sales and physical games And then suddenly the ultimate team thing happened and they were making a small amount of money from that compared to everything else And then they started doing You know dlc and micro transactions and little pieces of content and stuff They started making more and more money from it and they're like hey, we should be doing this in every game So nintendo they went from doing it in a couple games To doing it now and i mean Do we need to go through the list of all the games are starting to do it in now They started with one and now they're up to like a dozen fans wants extra content in games You can have extra content, but isn't there My argument is there is a there is a correct way to deliver this content and there's an incorrect way And my incorrect way is one that hits your wallet harder than the game itself hits your wallet The problem that I have with your premise is that you have not given a sufficient example of an exact same thing That puts it on the track to ea. You've mentioned contracted work out with bandai namco and that which is more expensive Contracted work between two different contractors. You don't actually know it is more expensive Yes, it is more. Yes contracted work is definitely more expensive There's internal work. Yes Contracted contracting bandai namco and saura to do work is more expensive than doing it yourself It's the difference between you doing something yourself and you have no idea how somebody else do it The reason why I know this is themselves. It might take longer and cost more money. You have no idea You have no idea And the problem like I said in the problem that I see you tell me I have no idea But that's exactly what that's the facts That's if you compare it to what they're doing with their other dlc Those are those are the facts. You're putting your hand over your head It's you're sitting here the the problem that I have with your whole premise Is that none of that leads to it being anywhere near? Yeah, they are you are it's either your click baiting Okay, so maybe you're click baiting you're click baiting and saying they're not close But they're doing some things here and there and no that's not how ea got to where they are That is not how ea got to where they are a switch to get to today They started with one game. They moved on to another game and they moved on to another game Fans want dlc fans want nintendo fans want extra content and extra content is fine If it's not nickel and diamond here to get it and your opinion of nickel of diming. It's your opinion It's not the it's not fact You can't sit here. It's a nickel and diming with all these games Huh, would you rather pay 60 dollars or 20 dollars for what for first a smash content or 45 or 20 For the how about I pay one dollar then how about how about one I want to pay one dollar for the But but you know you know as a consumer that they've made something after the fact It costs them money to do it So you know that you should probably pay for that right like most consumers don't think we should just get it It was my free can I pay five dollars since you're asking me what price? Can I make my own price on games? Okay? I'd like to pay I'm using price point since hendo has used 31 dollars and 75 cents for a game nintendo prime That's what I want to pay that's pro consumer, right? Um Depends on the game. I suppose many people are good Kirby star allies is not worth 60 bucks, but that's That's but that's your opinion But that's it but that's your what does it cost as much to make Kirby star allies a smash bros Probably probably not but new games are priced at 60 comparatively valued the same. That's not how the gaming industry works On any company. I know that's how consumers look at it. No, that's what you see in reviews This game is worth buying when a price drop happens You see but Kirby star allies People went out there and bought the game because they thought that it was worth it The value is the value is based on the consumer The value is based on the consumer my issue that I have is that you're trying to sit here and make it seem As if nintendo is on this path to destruction with dlc And that's what I'm saying is That if we just say this stuff is okay People said it was okay with ea2 And no they didn't not them. They yes, they did when ultimate team got added to fifa There was little murmurings of complaints, but a majority said it was okay This is what this is how it starts they start by doing these little things would be a You you you could talk about how you've never bought anything But yet fire alarm heroes one of their least downloaded mobile games makes the most amount of money Because of the loot boxes you see what i'm saying A majority might say no, no, no, no, no, but we're also not saying it's wrong We're just saying we don't feel the need to buy it, but we're not telling you it's wrong brown I I I don't see how this is somehow on the track to ea when nintendo's dlcs That have been priced pretty good for what consumers want. It's been priced pretty good They're no closer to ea than any other company out there. There are companies talking about other companies though I know you're not but you're quick baiting then you're quick baiting with your title because nintendo is so far away Taking the worst case they're gonna get there because of this thing at the very base lowest level You know what nintendo could get like activision some point. They've made splatoon. They've made a shooter Activision makes a bunch of shooters They're getting close to activision because they've made a shooter. I mean, that's what you're doing You're taking something and you're blowing it. I never said they're close to ea ea 15 couldn't go ea wasn't close to ea. You're saying that they could become ea because of what they're doing now Somewhere activision on its path to ea Ubisoft on its path to ea microsoft on its path to ea They didn't flip a switch. It was they tried out one thing in one game They tried out one thing in another game They tried out this in this game and then slowly over time it gets to that point where every game they release Has extra content has extra dlc Then they're like, oh wait, you know what know what we can do smash bros as an example What if and again hypotheticals But we saw this with other companies that started doing what smash bros was doing before nintendo did They go, you know what? We're going to still charge you 60 bucks for smash bros and we're going to give you Five less characters than you had last time and we're going to sell you those characters day one for four dollars a piece Even though we already have the characters done that that's the day one dlc stuff Now nintendo's not doing that yet, right? That's not a thing. They're doing yet But this is the stuff that nintendo is doing now The other company started doing before that happened It it was not the the problem that I see with that is that that is I Disagree with that. I disagree with how you're trying to say other companies. We're talking about. Yeah, you want to talk about ea then ea got bad Got bad quickly There was not like a long grace period of like five or six years Ea just started molding into this evil company ea was voted worse company back in like 2011 or 2012 They've been being trashed over a long period of time. dlc is not old dlc is relatively new We're talking seventh generation as when dlc started ea got bad very quickly They got bad nintendo has had dlc now for how many years We're gonna know we're near how bad by how bad ea got how quickly dlc Because a company does dlc doesn't mean they're on the track to be like ea That doesn't start them on the track to be like ea You are basically saying anybody who does dlc in any certain way is on the track If it's like mario kart 8, that's not the same track is what ea does ea didn't start on the track of giving you 60 or 50 characters in games than giving you in-depth characters What ea started doing was started taking away crap and started I just proved you wrong on that. They started by adding a mode I personally I personally feel that doing the season passes the way they did was taken away something from users from consumers I feel that that's I've taken it like saying you have to spend 10 bucks to play online If you buy this game used that to me is taken away something from consumers out there That is the real anti-consumer thing. I do not see putting dlc in there as the track to being like ea or ea got bad real quickly You're trying to sit here and make it seem as if ea was just this great company that always puts them No, no, they weren't ea started getting bad really quickly in the seventh generation What was the next game after fifa that they started charging extra for? What's the next game after fifa? Yeah, I'm I don't play ea again. I haven't played ea games in forever I just researched what I know now and what I know now is that What you know now is not relevant to go with battlefront Battlefront came out when the battlefront come out 2015. Yeah something 15 They did they cut out the single player and they put season pass in there So they've been doing dlc's they got bad quickly. You know what I'm saying like they got bad It's been how many years now with nintendo and I don't think by by 2015 ea had been added 11 years ea got It took him 11 years to get the battlefront nintendo's been doing it for three or four ea was bad before that I just asked you what did they do after fifa? How I know that they were bad before that because people were calling them the worst company before battlefront They won worst company in a row They won that and the practices that got all that wasn't just loot boxes They were doing similar things to smash bros or fire emblem Let's let's forget smash bros They don't really have a high tier fighting game that they really mess around with so they took an rpg like smash bros They're do stuff or not. I'm sorry fire emblem. They do stuff like that in dragon age They do stuff like that in almost all the mass effect games after mass effect one I mess with three especially but Um, they do this in a lot of their games and they get chastised for that a lot of the voting them worst company in the world Was an ultimate team. It was the games care gamers care about getting dlc'd to death And they didn't cut content. By the way, there's nothing about the cut content If you actually look at the progression of ea's games, they didn't start cutting content till around 2013 you are ignoring one of the biggest reasons why they locked they won those awards You are trying to brush over the fact that ea was trying to say no use games And we're going to charge you money that was a disaster which caused and and they stopped they stopped doing that after six months It was a very small period of time. I'm talking about that's what caused them to do that Their games were not as high as quality. That's what causing them. It wasn't because oh there's dlc in here And we don't like dlc Their games are not good ea was not a dragon age Inquisition we came in the year in 2014 if they're getting and nobody has a problem with dragon age inquisition Oh my god, there's a lot of issues with dragon age inquisition. Everyone likes the base game. They hate the dlc You don't need the dlc If ea continued on the path of how dragon age inquisition is People would not be trapping on them anywhere near as much because they'd get their 100 hours of content and useless dlc Or whatever the case is or you just wait for the game of the year edition or whatever the or to the price drops All the way prices drop on those games all the way that your whole premise of how ea got bad is completely I think that's where the disconnect is your premise of how ea got bad is very different from my Let me let me explain something very different and I grew up on ea games. I played ea games. Do I play the need for speed? I played all that crap You just said when I asked you after fifa you said I don't play ea games And I said what was the next game they charged extra content for I don't have no idea. You have no idea because you weren't playing That's far back as that but what i'm trying to say is I remember that's what i'm comparing nintendo to I'm comparing nintendo now to way back then ea got on a path to today They didn't start today nintendo. Well, they're not they're only doing loot boxes right now in phone games They're still doing loot boxes They're still doing little pieces of content in games, which is the next step ea did after ultimate team They started adding content after release wasn't cut out The game they gave you was just as good just as full of content as the game before But they give you a five dollar map here a five dollar thing here a ten dollar thing here a two dollar skin here All of that was content that never existed before and they started doing that I'll also mention. There's a game like dead space three for example that Michael jazz transactions killed it killed it years ago. Okay years ago. They put in micro transactions So i'm just trying to remember some of the games out there You're trying to say that nintendo is somehow in that same space, but ea was way worse than anything at that point It's not the same. The only the only thing that was worse The only thing that was worse was FIFA the only game that was worse was no dead space was worse And that was how many years ago was dead space wasn't back in the era i'm talking about What era that's seven generation? That's 2006 to 2010 That 2006 to 2010. So it's one year off. So you're saying oh, well, that's not the error that i'm talking in But so ea was perfect from from no My point is that nintendo is not perfect right now my entire Nintendo isn't being perfect with how they're handling dlc And if we don't call them out on it if we just keep blindly saying it's okay, it can get worse I'm saying it can get worse and my and my problem with that Is that you're trying to sit here and impose your will of saying if we don't call them out But not everyone thinks the way that you're thinking not everyone thinks the dlc is as bad as you That's what you don't understand We don't need to tell somebody else to say i don't like smash dlc. Hey, hey you hey you you don't like smash dlc Let's go get him like no You don't need to lynch mob people into or Grab angry people online because you don't like the dlc price and they said we're not calling them out So it's going to get worse. No, there are people who think that the value is there So it's there and I think that with any company any other company If you think ea's ultimate team or whatever the cases is worth that thing you go out there and buy or whatever The case is i'm looking at the numbers and i'm looking at the facts and based on what nintendo is doing with the numbers and the facts It's nowhere near ea. It's nowhere near ea even in the same You're talking about from what years to what years it's been multiple years that nintendo's doing It's it's been how many years now nintendo's been doing dlc They've been doing dlc since the we you they've been doing dlc Since the we you and it's not as bad as where ea when they started out even in that same time period Even with this place it's not as bad. It's not as bad. They don't have fee for ultimate team and doing that crap like that They didn't do season online season passes from the start. We're talking was that 2009 So even from the very beginning in your time period that you tried to say even in that they were doing whack Asked stuff excuse my language. They were doing whack stuff even in the time period that you're saying They are doing completely ridiculous things and that's how ea got voted the worst company Nintendo is not on the same tracks and if nintendo is on those same tracks Then every single other company in the world is on the same track. Yeah That is not the case. So every company is not on the same track to be No, it's not no, it's that's just your own personal opinion on what you think because a smash brother's a contracted out game That takes thousands and thousands of hours to put together dlc and to put together them I don't that's just your opinion. It's not fact at all How to value things you value things how you want, okay? I don't care if smash brother dlc is worth it for me or not Mario Kart dlc is worth it for me or not or if fire m1 dlc is worth it for me or not What i'm my whole premise is That ea back then yeah, they did other shitty things. I'm just talking about their extra content ban of the games Fans did not make like look at the ruckus that was made over the paid to win loot boxes in battlefront 2 Huge ruckus right huge ruckus. They had to pull it out day one. They're slowly bringing some of the back but Bottom line is they had to instantly respond because fan fan backlash. It was really bad fans didn't backlash like this to ultimate team fans aren't backlashing like this to uh to things like fire alarm heroes and free to play or not We shouldn't just say that's okay Are you like even if you're gonna tell someone if you want to spend money on that stuff in fire alarm heroes Like that's okay fine spend that money All you want like it's your money you spend it how you need it whatever that commercial is It's free. So what do you want them to do then? It's a free. So what what would you like them to do? There's multiple ways to make money You can charge five dollars for the game you could put ads in the game You could uh have micro transactions that actually you buy specific characters Or you can get them for free through the gotcha mechanic with the orbs in the game Or you can just straight out buy them or you can just play the game for free and buy it if you want to buy And don't buy if you don't sure you can just do that Your your case with fire and boom heroes is so funny because you don't have to buy anything get your say in all Well, that's on the track because Here's the thing people didn't make a ruckus about about ultimate team ultimate team ultimately led To battlefront 2 situation That is what started it now that nintendo is doing loot boxes an animal crossing pocket camp and fire Paramount's the worst case scenario your opinion it led to that ea is just a trash company If they never does things that they want to do start somewhere, dude You know just overnight decide, you know what we go from trying out loot boxes to loot boxes being the shittiest thing ever What what company has been like, you know what we've never done loot boxes before now We're gonna put them in there and make it the shittiest loot boxes to never that's never happened. It's never happened It's always assassin's creed Never did loot boxes and all of a sudden they want to put Oh, this is great. They have loot boxes and other ip's before that That's the first time that they put it in assassin's creed like the way that they did though Yeah, I'm just the first time they put it in madden at one point first time they put it in fifa The point is ea as a company started doing loot boxes somewhere It started at fifa the end right now is currently powerful to men would be the next fifa the next man the next one I'm sorry, but that doesn't make them on the track to becoming ea. That doesn't put them on the path to becoming Until 2030 neither one of us are really gonna know because 20 because i'm projecting out 10 years You're projecting out 10 years But then every company is going to become like ea then on your premise then every company is going to become like No, every company could my point is it could go that direction You should stem the tide stem the tide before it gets worse Are you serious you're trying to sit here and say every company become like ea So i'm going to say you just said that i said they could every yeah every company could could become like ea which is Dumb every company is not going to become like all right, you know final um heroes animal crossing pocket camp Keep your loot boxes It's a okay because consumers aren't complaining enough and when you put in an animal crossing for switch You know what it's a okay because not enough consumers are complaining and then 10 years from now When your characters and smash girls are determined by loot boxes Let me tell you some Based on what based based on loot boxes or based on and a free to play game Okay, is that smash game going to be free to play to maybe that's going to be a free to play smash game too Profitable games today are free to play in pubg in fortnight. Okay, but it's smashed But you're you're trying to sit here and say 10 years from now this and this and this and this is going to happen It's based on it could okay well then everybody is going to do that because you're saying it could it could You don't have sufficient evidence based on what they're doing after doing years and years of years of dlc at this point They just started doing the boxes That's a mobile game that works for mobile it works for mobile. Let me know they did it with a label They will be on the track with happy home designer at 3ds They will be on the track to being like ea When they start doing that stuff and to where a throttles you and affects you in regular games in triple a games when they do What ea does ea like i said ea is doing crappy stuff for a long time Well before then in the same time period that you're trying to sit here and say the nintendo's done with the years with dlc They've been doing that. It's pretty clear that some companies do dlc, right and some companies do dlc wrong So therefore the projections future is not the same Okay, you look at projections and the projections say the nintendo's probably doing dlc better than what ea did at the beginning When they started doing dlc and years afterwards. That's what the projections say That's because like we look at Bethesda. They've been doing dlc for how many years now or whatever, right? Horse armor it started off wrong But they've got dlc down and people generally like Bethesda's dlc They should have been on the same track that you're saying because they did horse armor back in 2006 That's horrible. Why didn't they turn into ea like you're saying? So that's the problem that I have you're sitting here and acting like everyone is going to this is going to all blow up Because you're overreacting and you're click baiting with that video that you did you click baited And you're trying to sit here and say so in 2006 people are oh my gosh Bethesda's gonna turn into this crazy company that nickels and dimes you for horse armor for sword armor Can you sure? Doesn't that company that that does that they're not can you me favor click baited? And it doesn't always work out the way that it works out because you have you have issues with any Extra downloadable content. Nintendo's ever done What you have any issues with any of the extra downloadable content. Nintendo's ever done. Yes What give an example fire emblem is not the best implementation, but that's intelligent systems It's like they have their own president ceo and what they want to do so they do that So, I mean, I don't buy their DLC The problem the thing with me is that if a game Puts out dlc and I don't like it and I'll be like, oh, I don't really like this DLC I'm not gonna buy if the game gives me hundreds upon hundreds of hours of content without the dlc That's fine. If you want to give me 300 hours of content and it's uh, and I don't have to buy deals or like You know the dlc's there, but I don't have to buy it Then it's fine if a game wants to cut out a single player and then say here's a $50 season pass You know, then I have a problem with that But nintendo's not doing that. They had a $45 season pass with fire emblem Um, it's $20 if I'm not no fire That's $45 30% off of Fire emblem warriors, but like I said, oh, yeah warriors warriors charge you the same price hybrid warriors did That's how that's how it should be handled in my opinion And that's intelligence. This is what they do when they already offer me Hundreds upon hundreds of hours of content for 40 dollars. I get my money's worth and then I go I don't have to like everything that nintendo does. I don't have to buy everything that nintendo does I don't have to complain about dlc that I don't need as long as they give me As long as they give me a hundred something hours of content and fire emblem They can do the dlc that they want to do As long as I get my content as far as what I want in there then that then that's fine See and that's the same thing that I have with other with other systems too It's not just nintendo if if other companies want to give me 300 hours of content or 20 something hours of content and a full Complete experience and then charge $50 for dlc Go ahead be my guess go ahead and do that. That's their prerogative That's fine But if a company wants to sit and do what ea is doing, which is the season passed up the fifa ultimate team Hey, here's this new mode. Oh, but unfortunately, we're gonna throttle you and make you pay $8 I didn't cut any content to put that moment You got the same content for $60 as you got the year before but the exact same content But they're working on that instead of actually making the game better like they're putting all this effort into Fifa doesn't have an exclusive contract for soccer and yet it's still the best soccer game in the world It's a quality game. It's a quality game It's it's okay in your opinion. It's a quality game But I mean I get I get what you're trying to say But what I'm trying to say is that they are do they are spending a lot of time and a lot of money Into researching ways to really nickel and dine people with micro transactions infinite micro transactions that never run out That never run out and they've been doing this for a very long time and nintendo is not on that same path with their main AAA games, they're not on that same track and that's the main issue That's that's the main issue that I have here that your whole premise is of how nintendo is trying to be like this Then like I said every company is like that every company's not And but that's every company is looking to maximize revenue like any company is looking to maximize Fine and every consumer has the right to buy certain revenue My issue is by certain stuff and not by certain stuff And what I see with fire emblem is that I see that you get a game that's going to give you at least if you want to do everything It's going to give you 100 100 hours Minimum what you're saying is if the game you bought Was to in your opinion worth the price of admission That it's impossible to be critical of the dlc No, you can be critical all you want to But you shouldn't voice it you said yeah, but I had hundreds of hours So I'm not going to voice that I know you can voice I tell people to watch your videos where you voice displeasure all the time Well, yeah, well, I don't I don't talk about this topic a lot because this is This is controversial Anybody anybody can talk about if you want to voice your displeasure with dlc and how it is The problem that I had is that when you tried to say oh well everyone like people should be calling this out No, if you feel that the content was worth the price or whatever you don't have to call anything And they're not on the same track as nintendo. You don't have to call nothing That's what i'm saying And see that that's the disconnect the content when they added ultimate team the people spoke it was worth the price of admission And yet look what happened That's my whole point. I'm not talking about what's happening an ultimate team on its own I don't even think that terrible of a thing. I don't think loot boxes should be in full price games But you know what they didn't cut content to add in that mode It's just like they threw it on the side and said look if you'd like to try out this new mode It costs more money It's not really part of the base package Probably they would make more money if they offered ultimate team for free Like fortnite does with their battle royale and then they're gonna have a separate game But whatever that that's that's ea finding a way to make more money to be honest my my point is that at the end of the day Fans accepted like you can get mad about they they rejected the idea of The paying extra for used games right they rejected that so it went away But they didn't reject what ea was doing when they started doing this and today We're not rejecting what fireloam heroes is doing I'm going to have to sit here and disagree. I'm gonna have to see and people did reject what ea I think people did reject what ea is doing. The problem is that there's a lot of people out there There's a tons and tons and millions and millions of gamers. There's new gamers that come in It is impossible to sit here and almost rally everyone Even if you look at star wars battlefront 2 that game still sold Not at the rally everyone you have to rally the right people Even if you rally the right people not everyone's going to think that the same way in terms of how you value content And what's going on there? I don't think it's the same Honestly if people honestly thought that the dlc was so bad and things are so bad as like you're saying they would say something I honestly feel I personally They can say something in echoes They did and I guarantee I guarantee when fire emblem on switch comes out They ain't gonna learn anything. They're gonna do the same thing. They're gonna do because they've been doing that before echoes They did that with awakening awakening. They did that. They got worse. They got progressively worse than they even did that with They did that with fire emblem Fates they split the game and did all sorts of weird things But each game that you got gave you hundreds upon hundreds of hours of content Fire emblem's a perfect example people didn't call it out in awakening got worse in echoes and it got worse in faith It kept getting progressively worse People did call it out. The problem is that people value content differently That is the people called it out people called it out the kingdom come people called out fire emblem fades That I get people arguing about me with fire people called it out like crazy The the thing that you're not understanding is that people value things differently not everyone is going to feel The same way So this is what companies do they try to say, you know what this might be kind of crappy But at least we have this which is 100 hours of base content for this game So even if you're mad you still get 100 hours for 40 dollars or you still get this many So you can be mad all you want to but at least you get this content for this amount of price So that's the reason why like that's the reason why I don't think it's going to get like the ea For example, they're doing things to where they're completely. It's way worse. It's way worse There is a different track. Nintendo is going on one track. Okay for dlc ea went on a completely different track The completely they are not on the same track. They are on different tracks and they are clear on different tracks So they don't have games that charge for little pieces of content What So they don't have games that aren't loot box related that charge for little pieces They have both they have free to play which is a completely new thing I'm talking about their single player games. They still have them. They still charge for little pieces of content Okay, and those games like fire emblem, right is that that's the only game that you can think of Um for for nintendo, I mean Yeah, yeah, I think for single player for they're on the track They they could become ea because of fire emblem potentially because of mash brothers potentially So you're using two games for them to become like There's tons of games that don't do that. So why are the two games that you feel that they're becoming the track Over by the other games so All right, so when fifa ultimate team happened, but the hundreds of other games ea put out a year didn't do it Should we not have said anything But people did say something they didn't They fifa ultimate team when fifa i played fifa back then the fifa community just said Oh, this sucks, and then they ignored it. They didn't they didn't go to ea and be like You need to remove this or i'm not buying your game. They said no, you know what? I don't have to play that i'll keep buying your game. Okay And and you said it that they gave it and it was like that was the start And it but it goes back to my point to where people felt that you said that people like fifa that it gives you They didn't cut anything, right? Yeah at the time. Yeah, okay. So at the time, they didn't cut anything So it was an extra mode so people didn't have a problem with it Why are people going to revolt against something if like you said by your own admission You said by your own admission that people they didn't cut anything From fifa it was still a great game. So people didn't have a problem with it. That's the same thing as fire emblem They're adding in things. They're adding in they're adding in things, but the game is already really good That's where it's that's where it started for ea So when you have this happening with nintendo not loot box, necessarily But extra content that people are saying you know what i don't have to buy that i'm okay with the base game What enough people do buy it and because the people that don't like it didn't Pipe up didn't make a hubbub about it like they did with battlefront 2 Nintendo's like yeah, you know what we're just gonna keep making it worse and they did that with fire emblem Don't be surprised when they do it with animal crossing on switch Don't be surprised that mario kart tour leads to some sort of system in mario kart 9 in the future So are you trying to tell are you trying to tell me are you trying to tell me that nintendo? Simply is just looking at that and not looking at all the other stuff people are saying when it comes to ea When it comes to dlc and all that are you just trying to say you're going all negative You're trying to tell me that they're not looking at any of the other stuff Like how people don't want to be thought old with dlc and how people don't like all these intrusive micro transactions You're trying to tell me that they're this they're looking at all the negative But they're not looking at any of that and could potentially make sure that they stay on the right course Why is it because they look because they're a for-profit company. They look at the sales Oh, this game's still selling four or five million copies. Oh, and we're making the section money on top Why would we not keep doing that? And from what i've seen that they they clearly see they could have throttled you in xeno blade chronicles No, they come to it because that's a niche game. It's too low. It's a matter of it's a niche game Yes, it is if you have done it if you upset the player base of xeno blade That's less than a million on average there are michael's Bravely default is a niche game and that game has michael transactor. He puts a cheaper game It's not a 60 dollar council doesn't matter if it's cheaper or not. You said niche You said niche game. There's niche games that have michael chen's actions Sure, there are there there's niche games that have michael chen's actions But nintendo would not take a risk with a game like xeno blade that they actually invest a decent amount of money into making with monolith To be like, you know what we haven't even cracked a million in the series Let's just throw a bunch of stuff in that potentially might stunt growth so we can make more money off less people EA does that for some things So you're saying that nintendo looks at certain things and says, you know what? It's probably not a good idea Yeah, they look at they look at profit margins and sales figures Okay, they wait for our franchise as an example fire emblem. It got to a certain size. They started doing this stuff Mario Kart got to a certain size now That's not they that's not true Now they're doing an octaline expansion after it got to a certain size No, no, no, no time out. Let me stop you right there It did not get to a certain size fire emblem was on its death bed when they did that Was on its death bed. Yeah awakening had to sell for to keep the series They did this on it the last game didn't have it and sold less than the game that Re-established franchise that yes, if this game sold like crap It's dead but they added that in there so they can make the most amount of money From the game regardless of how many people buy it you said that you said that it built up Up to that it wasn't the first fire on the game was it it was an established ip Established ip that was damn near dead and you're trying to sit here and tell me that As an example As an example, okay, let's go to right wait mate Come on at least just admit that the point that you made was ridiculous You just said oh well they built up to it and they wouldn't do that in a niche franchise You just said that they wouldn't do that in a niche franchise like xeno blade Xeno blade was more popular than fire emblem and they did it in fire emblem Submit that that point that you made was wack Xeno blade was more popular than fire emblem At their points, it was more popular fire. I was it was dead It was Hold on i'm looking up the sales figures right now Xeno blade one was more popular than the last fire emblem game before fire emblem awakening xeno blade one sold better And was more popular than fire fire emblem It flopped I'm looking at the sale there's a lot I don't need to look at sales to tell you that you're wrong How you gonna sit here and tell me that xeno blade wasn't as fire emblem was more popular when the franchise was about to die The franchise was dead the last fire emblem game No, the no no no the one before awakening. Yeah the one before awakening sold 970 thousand units That's higher than every xeno blade game except for the fire emblem game before that's not higher than every xeno blade game That's we don't have the xeno blade across a million till xeno blade two The nintendo announced that you are using vg charts numbers the game in terms of fire emblem You're using vg charts numbers I'm i'm telling you right now if they sold 900 000 units of the last fire emblem the game wouldn't the game wouldn't have been dead Okay, they wouldn't no 900 000 units of fire emblem If that's what the real sales were for that game I guarantee you they wouldn't be like okay the next game when we're dead That's bs that is bs and you know By the way, i'm going back I'm going back and looking at the average sales of the fire emblem series because I was actually on the high end Usually they've been selling around half a million I need you to tell me why fire emblem would die if it sold 900 000 if that is the number that which it's not Why was the franchise going to die? Well, I'm going to ask you this I guarantee you that was not the number that they sold them and they counter you with this Let me counter with this now i'm looking at like fire emblem series like on on wikipedia forget vg charts The average fire emblem game leading into awakening was selling half a million units There wasn't any significant dip anywhere So why did they suddenly decide you know what we have a consistently selling series if this doesn't sell more than this We're done with it The problem is that you don't know fire emblem and it wasn't consistently selling you're using vg charts Am I not vg charts? I just told you I went to a different source The source is not Listen the franchise flops, okay Either they're selling those copies for like one dollar a piece The franchise was flopping if nintendo was making significant money off this then they wouldn't be saying this prime You're sitting here and trying to you're sitting here scenario That is not real the scenario was not real fire emblem wasn't was in desperate trouble It was in trouble. It was not selling. It was not being profitable The game the last game that they were going to make which was all documented by a lot of us If this game didn't sell which I think they were hoping for like 500,000 or something like that. Oh, I didn't say for series. I'm not questioning you What I'm saying is that You're trying to sit here and say that oh, they wouldn't ever put micro transactions or this type of dlc in a niche game But they did I'm disputing that point. Sure. That's what you said. It is what I said I I misspoke. I I meant a collective of niche with established franchise is more what I meant A niche versus established franchise Have they put dlc and micro transactions in any franchise that was at the start forget 30 years ago, right? Splatoon 1 came out all of that was obviously free new new ip did did phenomenally well considering it was a we u game And then Splatoon 2 comes out and now we're getting expansion pass now I think the expansion pass from what we know of it is worth it. I compare it more to mario kart But look now they're adding additional content and this is the correct way to do it in my opinion This is the pro consumer way Now they're doing that in splatoon 2 So that's what I want. That's clearly taken after mario kart and you're going to tell me as an example You might argue that like if in a future splatoon if they do the ea thing they charge you for a weapon, right? Yeah, you buy a weapon. You loot box a weapon They don't have to balance the weapon the new weapon. They just added there's no balancing to that That's what soon to won't take the balancing And now I understand hypothetical this hasn't happened So it's kind of almost pointless to bring up but that My point was in all of this isn't that nintendo today is this evil corporation Set on bleeding our wallets until we can't breathe anymore So they can melt us for everything we have or going for the big white whales beyond firemen heroes That clearly based on the install numbers and the money it's making it's got some whales in that game My my point is is that nintendo sees that they see what firemen heroes is doing and what did they do they They updated pocket camp to add in Fortune cookies that wasn't there at launch that was something that's like hey, we're gonna add this in because look at how much money we're getting off A kind of sort of similar loot box situation In fire emblem and now if that does well, I don't know how well that's doing We don't have it hasn't been out long enough for us to get full figures yet But when they start seeing that and they start seeing that this mobile game That's free to play with loot box is making more than metroid prime 4 does for them profit margin wise I'm not saying that will happen I only bring up metroid because metroid traditionally sells 2 million copies or less Metroid prime 1 being the oddball that sold 4 million best selling in the whole franchise um but If there's no continual way to make revenue off of metroid over time Fire alum heroes is going to make more money. You're comparing Metroid all this is all on nintendo though. This is stuff nintendo's doing mobile and you're comparing nintendo has a clear cut Vision for what they want to do and how their fans are going to react to metroid versus mobile You are sitting here and making conspiracy theories and saying it could it could it could based on mobile Which is silly there is a clear difference between the two that we have seen nintendo is not going to make Micro transactions like they did just because they make money and animal crossing or whatever or fire emblem That doesn't mean that they're they're on the tracks to do the same thing in their man game Does not mean that and that doesn't mean designer on 3ds How is that going to be any different from animal crossing on switch besides the fact it'll be a fuller game not just about your own What is animal happy happy home designer So happy home designer is a game that came out on 3ds. Yes, I know that Yeah, yeah, so you basically just a home decorator is what it is and How it works is there's things you can do in game to get certain items But you can't get all the items in game What you have to do is go and buy the amiibo card packs for it and in the amiibo card packs which are As we've kind of sort of explained before how card collecting works. It's all loot boxes technically It's like the origin of a loot box But those are for collectible reasons here You're buying these physical cards not knowing what you can get So you can put items into the game and you buy as many cards as you want to get the items Hopefully get the items you want in the game. It's basically a physical loot box for a digital game How how many of these cards are there for you to use in the game? Uh, I'll tell my head. It was something like 115 different ones And how much do they give you within the game in terms of items and all that uh the base items i'm not Geez I don't even order that 30 s's right now. I I play I remember But I remember in in the game after like the first two hours I kind of sort of ran out of things and it was like Hey, did you know you could buy these amiibo packs to get these items that you could only get through the amiibo packs Okay, so that's adam of crossing in terms of how they do it with happy home designer How many years how many years ago was happy that's not going to be just because happy home designer one does one thing That doesn't mean Well, so since new leaf came out they released happy home designer and amiibo festival Which both of them kind of sort of had that same thing although happy home designer was worse And then they released pocket camp that is even worse than all of that So you're telling me the progress that we have seen of adam of crossing since new leaf Is going to be irrelevant when the new one comes out What i'm saying is that nintendo clearly nintendo has clearly seen How certain games Progress like happy home designer. I don't think that was like a huge seller or people Flocked that game and bought all that so the fact that people didn't do that I'm pretty sure that they're going to look and say, you know what people didn't really like everything that was done in that game People didn't really like adam of crossing amiibo festival and what was done in that game Maybe we shouldn't do the same thing because those games weren't successful I think that's what nintendo is going to look at or they look at it as Neither none of these games are full animal crossing games So what if we create a full animal crossing game per switch and we say, you know what? But we add fortune cookies so you can get stuff in your house that you You know might not be able to get in game or get enough currency in game to get faster I mean obviously what in most cases even an ultimate team even an ultimate team i feel right You can get all the players. You never need to spend a dime. You can get it It's about how much time it's going to take you way too long. You can't sure But but that's what it is in in pocket camp right now If you want all of the stuff to decorate your campsite, it takes you too long No, no It's a dollar game to a free to play game, but okay Go ahead Well, you gotta see the loot box what i'm saying the loot box is started in the happy home designer for the animal crossing thing Progressed a little bit in the amiibo festival I don't know enough about amiibo festival to continue talking about it outside of the fact I know you needed to buy the amiibo and use the amiibo cards I'm going to leave that one alone because I didn't touch that game with a 10 football I know if you I I don't think you're making a good a solid point here with animal crossing a me like Happy home designer you're trying to sit here and say they see the progress like they did this in this And so how do you know it's not going to come to this next thing? But it failed it didn't do as good as that We don't know that it failed We know that it didn't sell as much as animal crossing new leaf. It's not a full animal crossing game Okay, if they take the mechanics from from if they take fortune cookies or amiibo cards They take those mechanics and they put them in a full animal crossing game a full animal crossing game on its own It's probably going to sell four or five million units on switch. If not more more than and then Okay, more than that right like we agree a full animal crossing game like a full pokemon game is going to go nuts It's going people are going to buy it But if they put those mechanics in there that like if they look at it as yeah, we didn't sell a lot of happy home designer Well, look at the profit margins per sale based on the micro transactions. We did off those amiibo cards or look at pocket camp We didn't get a huge install base, but the people that did get it look at the money We made off them So if we release a game that we know Eight nine ten million people are going to buy how much extra money can we make if we put those mechanics in that game? Okay, how do you know? Nintendo we I say this because animal crossing is the repeat offender Right now the the thing they've experimented with the home designer is not the type of game That's like people are sitting here and saying that's like a full game or anything like that So I don't think nintendo would you still you still buy the game Is the same type of thing that's it's like that game was built It's like say it's like saying oh man We're getting nickel and dimed with like Skylanders or something like that the game was built for you to go out there and buy these stupid little things And use them in that game That was the whole point of the game like to buy these things to use these things in the game So I don't think it's a very good point and I also I also think that With the games that you're talking about I still to this point I don't know where you like like a mofo over here. I'm sweating too But that's just because my room's a little warmer now. I don't toastie right now I I don't see where you've made any valid points to where nintendo could become ea And and if the only pick the only point that you've made is that literally everyone could become ea Based on your own analysis Of some what you literally that's With your own analysis because everyone is done with what you've complained literally every single company has done exactly What you've said so every that's the point that I will give every company's on on the track Every major company on the track to become ea Well, the reason I bring it up with nintendo beyond the fact i'm a nintendo channel is that nintendo I think we can agree on this point nintendo's been behind on online stuff forever right like We only just then switch got a universal account Like crazy that things that have been around since like 2006 and before we just got now um And I feel like a lot of the delays were seen like Happy delays by the way in nintendo progressing faster towards ea is because the nintendo's misunderstanding of online and the Market potential to make money there and my fear is The more we just say what they're doing is okay what they're doing the fire room is okay because it doesn't bother me What they're doing with with smash is okay because I feel it's worth the value The more they start seeing these profit margins the more they start realizing that we can make even more for less And i'm not saying nintendo's necessarily dabbling too much in that right now You know little bits and pieces here and there finally echoes worst example, but um, you know even some of the mobile games or whatever What i'm saying is because nintendo's so late to the game and Now that they're in the game and they're slowly progressing towards adding more of this stuff in That my fear is that if we are just Saying it's okay because it doesn't bother me Like the people it does bother right even me like like as i think that we said it's optional if I don't feel the dlc Is worth it for smash don't buy it okay. I won't buy it That's fine. I didn't buy I personally didn't buy the dlc for smash um and now I said remember how remember that comment I made before how I said i'm a hypocrite yeah The hypocrite of me is if they would have released like a playable tingle. I probably would have bought it So it's a hypocrite me coming up, but It doesn't mean that I feel good about that purchase. It means that man I paid 60 bucks for this game. I'm completely satisfied and now they're adding this content to it I love adding content to it But man I paid 60 for all of this and i'm paying five for just this Even if I use just this for a thousand hours to use just that I had to buy a 60 dollar product to use just that It it's one of these things where i'm not nintendo is a company I passionately care about passionately love and well every company Is doing little things here and there or big things in some cases activision does a lot of big things That could be going down that path to getting up to ea's level, which I don't know if anyone will ever reach ea's level The ea's level today, maybe but ea's going to get worse right like ea's show no No remorse and how bad they're going to get so what ea is today is probably going to be worse 10 years around If they're still in business My my fear is as someone who cares so much about nintendo Is I see them doing these things I grew up with you know I grew up with nintendo, but I saw this happening with other companies Um not just ea is the one I drew as the worst possible certain scenario, but I've seen it with other companies Um on other games on other platforms and I watched this same progression and some of them arguably got worse Konami got to the point now that they just straight up make gambling machines Uh, which was probably the next step for ea is to just start making pachinko machines or some shit um Especially since konami. I think they konami just post their highest profit year of all time or something Something crazy like that. I mean, I don't I don't know. Obviously that wasn't part of the debates. Yeah, I don't know with them I'm just I'm sorry. I'll I'll let you say something else. No, go ahead. Go ahead and finish like because we're going here I feel like we're kind of winding down now. Oh, yeah, it's definitely winding down It's just one of those it's like my final statement is I hear what you're saying Um, nothing nintendo is doing now is as bad as ea Um, what they are doing even with fire emblem heroes is not as bad as ultimate team in in fifa way back line Um, what happened with my paywall experience if i'm a weakening Um, might be comparable to origins in some level and taking me out of the game because I don't feel like we should ever Have something happen in the game that kills your immersion to spend money um, but that's Again, you said personal preference personal opinions Um, I don't nintendo is not there My fear is as they dabble and maybe this is just a fear because I've watched other companies have this happened to them Who is the more they dabble in this who who's who is that other companies? Okay? Like like ea is the worst example, right? The reason I put ea in the title and I talked about them in the video is because I wanted to compare Nintendo is at at the very beginning of doing this kind of stuff ea is that the worst possible scenario for doing this stuff There's middle ground in there everyone else is in the middle somewhere I'd argue activision is probably like, you know five notches below ea, but they're one of the other ones that are way up there um, I've watched these other companies Start the way nintendo did taking taking pieces of content and sell it to you for a little bit some more And progressively get worse with it to ea's level not quite What they've gotten pretty bad to the point the communities Complain a lot until the point that the industry itself is reducing itself down to games that just Make the most amount of money off of those extra transactions not all together indie games are fantastic Obviously exceptions nintendo has so far like like mario odyssey You haven't had to pay anything extra for anything in that game right now So like nintendo is not that yet either but my fear is They started with a single game They started doing it more and more often as we progress from the Wii U era into the switch era My fear is But my fear is It's not that I don't want extra content. I've been paying for expansion packs since I think last time the first time I remember Based on you pretty much the minute they decided to do anything extra They're on the track to become ea pretty much no not anything extra because to me The minute they wanted to do They're on the track to become ea That's pretty much what you said there's a separation in content delivery I grew up and this is probably where a lot of this comes from I grew up playing age of empires or the sims or Some of those pc games because they'll be the first ones to have extra content because internet wasn't a thing on On other systems So like when you wanted, you know, another zeal or like majora's mask, you know, okay at a time 1.5 Well in today's world that might be, you know, the breath of the wild dlc instead of its own thing But back then You would buy an expansion pack for you'd spend 40 you'd buy like you spend 50 60 bucks on age of empires Let's spend 20 to 40 bucks on an expansion pack and that expansion pack added A comparable amount of content to the price you paid for the original game Then we progressed forward and console games started doing this, right? They started offering season passes and dlc packs and expansion passes and stuff like that and they were offering initially comparable content To the original game for the price you paid That's how people started doing it because they probably looked at the pc models and they they're doing it We have internet on these systems now Let's do it here too And then it just evolved from that into individual purchases lupoxes, etc And Nintendo is kind of dabbling on both sides of the line for me on one hand. They are doing the expansion passes the Full-bodied spend a little you know a little bit more money, but get significantly more content for the price And they're also dabbling in that we aren't going to kind of dabble in lupoxes We're starting with mobile because there'll be less backlash on mobile because mobile consumers are used to it Doesn't mean it's okay, but it means that we know there'll be less backlash here to start They're dabbling and selling individual pieces of content with smash bros and fire emblem and then on top of fire On them offering you an expansion pass Um, and then having people bitch about that and have it not be enough value And you even admitted that dlc doesn't really seem worth it. So you you can buy it whatever Um, my point is like if we just say yeah, but we enjoyed the base game Like we enjoyed the base game of fire emblem the lc practice are nothing like I just won't pay You spend your money how you want my fear and it's probably Yeah, I I guess your argument is it's too probably too soon to have any fear like this But my fear is watching how it's happened in the industry across the industry. You're over blowing Everything at this point. I mean you're you're Okay, you're taking mobile you're crossing mobile With home console games you're taking little things in games that are built to be like collecting like happy no home designer And crossing that over to my mind Mixing and matching however you I view the video game industry as a whole To me cell phone games are just as viable of a product as a home console game, but it's not But it is Think that way it's clear. Nintendo doesn't think that way You're just think your your doomsday scenario in your head makes you think that way But it's pretty clear that Nintendo's mobile and what they're doing there is very different. They've had ample opportunity To destroy us. Okay based on their profits of fire emblem. They've had ample opportunities. Absolutely destroy us It's not like they're saying okay in year one. We know this okay in year two Now this It takes time to gather the data that's our doomsday scenario You haven't even been able to connect what ea did before and in the time period because ea did crappier things Even beforehand in the time period you haven't even been able to connect that to what nintendo all you've done Let's put out a basic premise and then attach nintendo's name to it They did dlc here attach it to ea put out a video saying that you're scared and doomsday scenario this whole thing I didn't do a scenario it you did It could be this is how it could be it could ea's the worst that's doomsday ea's the worst that is a doomsday That is critical of nintendo's pricey model on specific dlc content in specific games And I said we've seen this happen before with other companies like ea and we've seen what this has led to And I don't want it to get worse than it is today ea didn't And what you're telling me I can't be critical No, i'm saying you can what i'm saying is that you are jumping the you are completely jumping the gun and over blowing If you want to say maybe e maybe nintendo's kind of getting a little crazy with their dlc Then that's fine. You can say that but to put it in a doomsday scenario and say oh my gosh This person is is going all the way towards ea. That'd be like me taking like a common person Rob's a store and comparing him to a sum of bin laden It's like that's a good the comparison that you're making or saying that to even put those two in the same Sentence is a problem that I have I have a problem with you putting those two in the same sentence I don't feel and I hate ea everyone knows I hate ea and if ea did things like nintendo did which when I When I remember playing ea games, they didn't when I remember playing dead space They were doing things far worse in a far faster amount of time when I saw dead space 3 when I saw what they did with companies I mean, it's not just microchans actions that do this ea is crazy ea this this whole cup there's there's this whole company's crazy They're psycho they're sitting here buying studios laying people off changing ceo's like crazy All that stuff relates to their transfers to their games They are taking people and doing the weirdest things you need to if you're going to compare them to either They have to have the same workplace environment the same Things going on that is not the case So when you sit there and say oh well this could happen because it's ea look at all the stuff ea's done with their with the management I mean, it's a it's a person. It's not just ideas of microchans We're talking about how the company is run the people running the company the minds of those company These two companies don't they they don't have the same mindset They don't there's nothing to do between them So that's the biggest issue that I have this company is litter ea is literally insane and drunk off of money more so than anything They're probably looking at nintendo and saying this company is foolish This is a stupid company because look at all the times that they could Throttle you with microchans actions. Yeah, you can afford to buy nintendo. That's how much money I have They ea can't afford to buy nintendo not in the traditional sense not in the traditional sense Well, not like a straight up like buy they wouldn't have any money let they yeah They can't but whatever that's beside the point the point is this ea's probably looking at this and saying this is ridiculous Like these two companies don't see eye to eye these two companies have literally nothing in it Microsoft is more is more likely to become ea than anything because they're the ones who are doing They're doing loot boxes and racing game racing games. They're doing all the stuff very quickly I mean you're you're sitting here and saying nintendo's like this. I know you're nintendo channel I get that but microsoft microsoft has been around in the game since the original xbox They didn't just get to today overnight They started doing some of this stuff dabbling in it with halo back in 2008 Like it didn't just get to where it is today They they actually progressed even slower than nintendo has an adding stuff in Okay, but what i'm trying to say is that if you look at the totality of nintendo and you see what they've been doing so far It's a pretty clear that they're not going down the same path. It's not even close. You look at pokemon I don't know We don't have their paid online account system launch yet. We're only in year 2 starting year 2 they started dlc years ago though They started dlc years ago, but again online systems that weren't really built properly Uh to support something like this, but it was you can I mean you could you yeah, you could release dlc It just it wasn't It wasn't as fleshed out like they're fleshing things out now if they're online How good it is we don't know it's not september yet all we can look at is what we have now But my my my thing is is that now that nintendo is getting to the paid online They're and I didn't even bring this argument up The the the amiibo another thing I didn't bring up in the video where they used a lot content behind Physical items that you might be sold out and you can't get metroid samus returns I think was the worst case scenario where you couldn't even get the amiibo They were sold out and you couldn't play hard mode without it Um, well, you couldn't play the the fusion mode. You can there's a hard mode that you unlock after the game It was the hardest of the hard. It was an extra it was an extra mode in the game Yeah, so like and like and my criticism back then for that was Have that you can have it behind the amiibo So if someone wants to buy the amiibo and they just get that for having the amiibo great But they should sell it on the side as well, right like But like I know it's a different one the same track is ea. That's that that's that's completely different You're comparing two things that aren't in the same track. I wish ea went in that track. Please ea Locked content behind physical items If you want to give us a game as good as metroid samus returns Or if you want to give us as much content as smash bros ea Please please give me games ea ea give me games that give me as much content as smash brothers And give me 70 dollars of dlc with extra characters and decide if I want to buy them or not If ea does that for the rest of their times with all their games Nobody will have a single problem with ea at all ea got way worse way faster and I don't think you've proved that they haven't I don't think that you've proved that I'm not trying to prove how fast ea got worse I'm saying they started the extra online purchases with ultimate team about 15 years ago And nintendo is not 15 years into this I'm I'm saying that Like nintendo in the same time like Like if you want to break it down the first four years of ea starting to ultimate from ultimate team through the next four years Nintendo has more games than ea does charging extra stuff for in that same time period On nintendo already is in an accelerated rate in terms of charging more now again There's no difference. I think between this is why I separate out dlc micro transactions Micro transactions is individually buying it small things for a little bit of money If that small thing is a currency to use a loot box or it's just straight up buying loot boxes for two bucks Okay, like that that's still a micro transaction just as much as buying a stage for two Those are two different things you cannot put those two So if a game had two different small things that you can buy they're each one dollar a piece You're going to put that in the same categories a game that you can consistently buy infinite amounts of orbs or FIFA ultimate team packs those you're going to put those two in the same category No, that that's endless But you just you just said oh, they're both micro transactions. You just they are they are both micro They're not but I mean they're not they're not You can't compare something that's a one-time purchase compared to an infinite and infinitely buying something a consumable Like that's that's ridiculous like FIFA ultimate teams packs. They're infinite. They never stop orbs from firearm They never stop that is not the same thing as buying something for a dollar if a dlc costs one dollar That is not a my a little thing. That's a dollar or two dollars. That is not the same That is not a micro transaction. That's micro means small transaction means money Small transaction. It has nothing to do with the transactions are infinite That's how people look at micro transactions people don't look at micro transactions as they look at dlc Then then then here's the thing then then any type of dlc It's not okay. Well dlc is only high priced. Is that what you're trying to say? Oh, well dlc is only priced high You know that's the only reason dlc to me Is a collection of content for a set price That's not what dlc is though. You can buy dlc something that's big That's or small that is just a one-time purchase And that's what you get and that's downloadable content and that's it That is it it doesn't matter that that is what dlc is Micro transactions and the way that mobile company say them is like hey We're going to continuously micro transaction this game. It is not people don't say. Oh, yeah Look at this fire emblem heroes dlc that I got like with this action They give you free dlc in that game too or whatever the case is free stuff But they do they they they look at it differently that everyone looks at it differently The fact that you're trying to put that in there to make your point on how nintendo's becoming like ea is ridiculous The fact that you're trying to put I never said nintendo's becoming like ea They're on the track. I know I no no I said good. I'm talking about there at the beginning stages and as I said I don't Okay, well that that's the debate. I mean that I guess that's the point of our debate two sides It's a debate It doesn't matter who's right actually just no it doesn't matter who's right I wish that you would have put up like the the the issue that I have here the issue that I have here Is like I said you can run your channel hover. I will still watch your videos. I will still respect you And we don't have to agree on this stuff. It's yeah, we don't we don't have to agree We're not going to agree But the issue the biggest issue that I have man the biggest issue that I have Is that like your doomsday scenario it because ea has been voted the worst company in the world You know so to take something like ea And put their name next to nintendo in that same light when there are x y a z and b come x y Whatever how many companies in between that are all in between there but to say it could and leap frog literally like The the longest stretch arm strong that I've seen in my life You remember stretch arm strong like dude would just stretch his arm so Long for things, you know what I'm saying like the longest stretch arm strong that I've seen in my life Was done by you by you by you leap. I mean you could have at least went to ubisoft You could have went to activision You could have went to companies or not, but you went all the way to ea, which is a doomsday scenario Here's the thing All the way to ea Because I felt like when when you're making a comparison My fear is that they're gonna get to ea's level now. There's steps along the way But if I said nintendo could become the next activision, no one would understand on that title what I mean by that What do you mean they're gonna become the next activision? Who do you like more stretch arm stronger mr Fantastic, who do you like more who is your favorite? Which one do you like more stretch arm stronger mr. Fantastic because I'm gonna I'm gonna either label you one of those to be said they could be like which one you like more prime You like stretch arm stronger. You like mr. Fantastic, which one trash arm strong stretch arm strong. Okay. Let's go You are stretch arm strong in this thing It is reaching it's like dull scene times like 15 remember like, you know, dull scene from the street fighter titles two together All I know is all I know is I'm glad we had this debate because when I'm what god I'm gonna be you're like 44 by the time you get to 2030. I'm gonna look back on this and be like, you know what? I was wrong and I'm gonna have to stand up and salute player essence for being right Or I'm gonna be like I'm right and nobody cares. All right. Let's move on to the next thing If you are right, if you are right, which I mean, we don't know I don't think gamers are going to stand for it I think that if you look if you say fire emblem echoes was the worst or the worst type of dlc, right? So far and did fire how much the fire emblem echoes sell compared to the other two You said it's the worst so far and did it sell like fire emblem awakening? No, did it sell like fire emblem face? No No Fire emblem echoes You as good as other games. No, did animal crossing the leaf new ticket leaf or whatever the case is is that doing as good as other games? No, so you're sitting here and you're comparing all these comparison saying I'm I'm scared that it's going to get to this point But we haven't seen it We've seen these games flop or not do well and you're taking and you're picking and choosing mobile And you're trying to compare to this and that and this and that and say they're going they could go this route And none of it makes sense because those games have flopped And because ea is 10 times worse and ea got a lot worse real fast and did things even back in the same time from that You're trying to say they did that the same time for They did worse things like try to take away used games and try to force people to buy the game new They were doing crappy stuff back then before dlc even got popularized by so many different companies ea was doing Completely horrible things even before then there's no comparison here ea got Worse way faster and the proof by me saying that is the fact that they took that online past thing FIFA ultimate team by your admittance. It's been 15 years of FIFA ultimate team. That's a big 15 years I didn't even know dlc's been around for 15 years That means by your own admission you said FIFA they've been doing that for 15 years So they've been doing it very quickly then they didn't take time to do that They got bad quickly if it's been around for if ultimate team has been around for 15 years Which if you say it is they got bad quickly then because dlc hasn't been around for I don't even know dlc's been around for that. I mean what 2006 that's when they were here I wasn't the first I think the first one I saw was when they sold There's Matt. It's either map packs in call of duty or highly halo. I can't remember I remember the first In terms of popularizing dlc the sixth generation So if they've been doing FIFA ultimate team for 15 years You completely destroyed your own point by saying that it took time and it took a lot. No, it didn't They were bad 15 years ago. My guy So they were bad instantly so nintendo's not on the same track as them because then that means they would have Just been as bad just as fast ea got ea was bad from the beginning from when this start when this crap started But they think that since they've been trashed since then and nintendo has had a good amount of time To see if they become as trash as ea and that hasn't happened So therefore I dispute your premise of your whole video because ea got trash quickly and nintendo did not So that's the basic gist of it right there man. I think I've made my point Yeah, you made your point I think I've made my point ea was trashed 15 years ago when they started it They started taking away people's trying to try to quell the use game market this stupid company Don't get me started. They tried to sit here and take away use games from people 10 years ago Like what is it or nine years ago nine or 10 years ago? This stupid company started doing this a long time ago before dlc was even popularized How are you compared to this company? I'm we're just gonna work So we're Is complete trash they've been trashed 15 plus years screw ea and nintendo better not become ea 15 years of I think that's one We can agree on We don't want nintendo to get anywhere near ea's badness at all I that that would like be like ripping my heart out if that ever if this ever happens All right Thank you guys so much for tuning into the first ever nintendo prime hosted debate with player essence. I'm sure We gotta do this again. No, we gotta give me more debates man We well, you know what I loved about us debating and I'm gonna say this before before I hang up with with the audience out there We both are passionate. We both care. We both respect each other and that's what makes these debates fun I had a great time right or wrong much love to you oj much love to your fan base and tenor prime fan base Thank you guys so much. I really real quick prime I really just want to say some people were saying that we needed a moderator. No, we didn't Moderator you don't get that passion. Yeah that prime did with the smash dlc. I want that we're friends Yeah It could have got really bad exactly And what did I do quickly it came down because we it quickly came down. I said, okay prime. I said, hey, let's just call Okay, let's let's calm down. We don't need that because that's why I mean We're passionate. You want the passion if we had a moderator, he'd probably call that and stop it We don't need that next time we do a debate. We're not gonna have another one Like I said if I do something I do a debate like with like re-res or something like For this one we don't I think it was good and like you said prime go ahead and finish it off, dude Guys, um my fans, please if you want to subscribe to prime. We'll subscribe to this man. He's still a passionate nintendo fan He's great. So yeah, make sure you subscribe to him if you do like his content, you know Yeah, and and thank you so much oj for Basically this debate happened because you asked me to have a debate So thank you. Thank you so much for that. We're definitely at least I had a good time I I feel there's going to be debates in the future on little things, you know Little or big things we disagree on just because you know what I think everyone and I'm going to ask on twitter and after Sure, our fans all agree. This was good fun no matter who you believe or who you're into or who you want to listen to I just got to say this is a gold shogger shot. This one is for you oj Thank you so much my man. I have some iced tea. It's some iced tea. Okay. Okay. Hi everybody iced tea gold shogger Ah, there we go It's pretty night, baby. Hey man. You have a good night prime. Have a nice evening, dude. You too later guys Bye-bye