 All right, welcome back. It's still the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. And let me just correct myself. The attack indeed happened on Sunday and not on Monday along the Keduna Abuja Highway. And we have joining us, Imanu Yawai, national publicist secretary of the ACF. Good morning to you, Mr. Yawai. Many thanks for joining us on the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Good morning, good morning. Thank you, please. All right, we are read off from the papers this morning. And the ACF is actually describing that particular incident that happened on Sunday as a national shame. This is not the false type that we have seen such attacks on the Abuja Keduna Highway. What exactly has the federal government refused to see and what direction should we be pointing them to? You didn't say what? The one that the government has done what? What have they failed to see in as much as this is not the false time that that particular road has been prone to attacks? So what should we be doing proactively? They should be gathering information. One of the former ACF SCBA was killed. That particular spot, there have been many attacks there. People have been kidnapped there. People have been killed there. And we wonder why a government like that has been spending so much on security, cannot surveil a particular spot and stop this criminal attack from taking place at that very particular spot. So we think they are not doing their job seriously. If they are doing, they have helicopters. They have aircraft. They have police on the road. They have the SSS. They have everything that it takes to surveil this place and catch these petty criminals who are making life so difficult for everybody. That is what we feel. The federal and the state government, they should be coordination between the federal, corona and the Niger state government who cover this. That rule belongs to the federal government. But it covers itself from coronacy. It goes through Niger state. And it ends up in the federal territory. It's a very strategic rule. It links states like Kano, Sokoto, all the states in the northwest. Most of them go through the road. So that you allow your citizenry to be not terrorized on such a strategic rule. I don't know how to describe it if not it's not the same to the whole country. It's a shame. And it has been going on for a long time. And we all go shabless in the eyes. These people even now have us to attempt to attack the real line, which is the alternative that some of us take when we are going to Kano, the real line. So very soon, people traveling by rail will not be seen to Kano. That's the danger we are facing. OK, so I'd like to find out what happened to the tactical team that was deployed by the former IGP of Pleas, Ibrahim Idris, at the time, in collaboration with the Special Forces, which was actually postulated as a permanent solution on that particular road. The permanent solution is what you see today. Continued theories, continued kidnappings, continued harassment of innocent citizens who are pursuing their legitimate aspirations. That is not a permanent solution. The criminal activities have continued on their road or abated. There's no solution. They've not found a solution to it. And we are asking the government, that is why if there's a government and the government cannot protect life or property, that government has no business of being in existence. All these promises, promises, promises, and the situation get worse. I used to drive on that road. Sometimes I might. Sometimes I'll leave Abuja Thair, but I'm there. Me alone in my car, I have nothing left. Oh, look at what is happening. Every day, people are being kidnapped. Sometimes security men themselves. Why did the former chief of our army start dying? They had to take a flight from Karnat to Abuja. It's not a long distance. If you are traveled by a man, probably he would have been alive. But he had to take a flight. And the flight crashed and he died. In distance from Abuja to Karnat. But my question is, why don't we have security personnel manning these roads? Because four years ago at Daribah, it was a main saying, we're going to deploy. There was a team of 500 men that were deployed to that road. Like I mentioned, in collaboration with the Special Forces. So like you have mentioned, you have been flying the road. Do you still see men of the tactical team or the Special Forces on that road? I mean, on earth and on land. They are there, but we wonder what they are doing. Whether they are doing their job properly, sometimes you see them relaxing on the mango trees and all that. They are there. The security men are there. But how can they be there? When are the cell spots that this director was killed? That is the killing spot. What can they do? What kind of surveillance are they carrying? They are there on the road. But at the cell spot, either people are killed there or people are killed there. That means into the bush, into the forest. Some are detained for months. Some are, if you lucky, you have money to pay or you are released, you have money to pay. They release you. They are there. So people, you must expect that they work hand in hand with these terrorists. That is a suspicion. But they are there. They are there. Okay, let me, let me, let me... Where are you in Italy? Let me ask this question from another direction. You just referred to them as terrorists. And indeed, you said that there was a time, indeed, historically, when you would actually drive yourself by yourself along the Buciakaduna road. But just how did we get to the extent where we cannot even think of driving without also thinking of being kidnapped? That's on the one hand. And again, do you think if the federal government had actually tamed those bandits, those kidnappers as it were, you know, terrorists, that there would have been a different approach to tackling this issue? I do not know. I'm not a government. So I cannot speak on behalf of the government. But as far as I'm concerned, what these people are doing is terrorism. How the government, as the government business, as far as I'm concerned, what those, so some of our members have been kidnapped and treated and maltreated. And when they relate to us, the ACF, what they went through, there's no other way of satisfying this but as a lack of terrorism. The government is free. Maybe they are hampered by international law or whatever laws to call these people terrorists, but as far as I'm concerned, these people are terrorists. The historical aspect we are wondering to times when this rule was a very safe rule. I don't know what has gone wrong. It's just not the same. It's just not the same. Things have changed. It brought them like people are being killed. People are being killed, man. What's going wrong? We never knew about kidnapping in the law. We used to read about it in the newspapers. Maybe in the Arab world, over here, we went to Nigeria, it was mostly a Southern affair in the East. Now the North has become the headquarters of kidnapping around something. What has gone wrong? We cannot see. But the ACF is very, very sad and very, very constant. I would have made opposition of the government that we did not direct this government to terrorism. They do not know about our beautiful country. To terrorism, this situation is unaccelerated. It's a national issue. So as it is right now, as individuals who apply that particular rule, that's Takaduna Abujawee, would you advise that for the meantime, I don't know if that's possible, that they should actually stay off that road knowing that nothing is being done or has been done to checkmate them, all of these attacks that have happened around that particular road. Right now, it's not very safe to travel that route. I would advise some of you, like who I love to travel on that route, plan to travel on that route and be careful. They don't take their own personal security measures or whatever. You hear about these things. You think it will not happen to you. You can just run into those guys and you mess up your whole life. They have killed women. A lady professor from the northern part of this country was it on that road. You know how many professors we have in the north. You can count them. And ladies, a lady professor from the north was killed on that road. That was outside of this. People explained, I've been wasted for nothing. And when you meet these boys who do the terrorism, you wonder what happens to all the millions they get. There was a time we had a meeting with Mijeti Alai in Kalima and they told us they themselves are fed up, that they are being used. There are some big shots who are organizing this acts of terrorism. Hundreds of millions we hear are fed as rats. We're not going to these boys on the streets. This has meant some of them are dead. Some of them have been killed. Some of the big shots collect those hundreds of millions and take off. They go and buy herbs and they supply these boys. Because boys do not go to school. They do not have any skills. So used and misused by these big shots. So it's a very big problem. The government has to step in continuously that mistake we made now. That's our problem. All right, so you have mentioned some of this. You're saying that the reason is that you have persons who are sponsoring this bandit and you call them big shots. So we know this big shot. Why haven't these big shots been arrested? I mean, why haven't we have people being arrested, being prosecuted, being made to face the law? Why are people not in the bars? Only the government can answer that question. When were these repentants, also called repentant, Boko Harampi, started running to comment that they have repented. They should be accepted. And we haven't dated them. Our chairman, he issued a very strong statement. He said, these are kidnappers. These are killers. They didn't just accept them as repentant. Take them to the courts. Try them. If the courts find out that they are not guilty, then you free them. But that's because somebody who has been killing you have not been repented to throw. Just as he comes and confess, he has become repentant. You accept and rehabilitate him. And the families of those people in this trial are watching. What sort of society are we creating? We've criticized the government for accepting these people back. And I'm sure some of these people are accepted by because of the influence of their sponsor. So the government has to be more serious. Why rehabilitate people whom you are not sure of their antecedents? They have already started routing in the camps where they have been kept in volume. Old habits die very, very hard. They have the routing. In government, rehabilitation centers, those old bookworms who are accepted as reform bookworms, they have already started routing over the killing of camps. Cows have been killed forever. But they say there's not a... All right, Mr. Yahweh. Yes, please. Yahweh, Mr. Yahweh, on the final note, just as we wrap up, I just wanna get one thing clear from what you said concerning this top shot. If I can infer from what you said, are you saying that this attack that happened along that particular corridor might just be politically motivated? It may be. It may be. But no, no, until they are properly investigated. And that is what this government is failing to do, to investigate the incidences of kidnapped, by killings, and harassment property. This is before the development of the voluntary term. Like this guy, Pomata Rejoice, now he has gone into police. Maybe he's working outside. Nobody knows. But until the government and the security agencies carry out thorough investigation, we may never know. All right, thank you so much. I'm Emmanuel Yahweh, National Publicist Secretary of the Ararua Consulting Forum. We do appreciate your time. And as we look forward to seeing more chairing is concerning this issue of kidnapping and attacks along the Kaduna Abuja Express, so which has become so worrisome over the years. We do appreciate your time on the show this morning. Well, that's the much we can take at this point in time. We do appreciate and we hope that you enjoyed all of the conversation. Now, if you missed out on any part of the conversation, it's all right to follow us on Facebook and Instagram, we're at Plus TV Africa. And of course, on YouTube is at Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. I am Messi Boko, have a great morning. And I'm Justin, I'll cut the news to you again tomorrow. Bye for now.