 You're still watching So we're talking about the video of if you know a grant which went viral. I don't know if we have that video So we can just Watch it If I keep quiet, it's going to be like an admission on guilt So it's good for me to come out and actually clear my name first and foremost, I would like to state that Given the fact that problems to show you yet. There are so many fake accounts of me Times up there, and I'll show you a few guys Look at my Instagram. I search to an ear. I can't count up to one, two, three, four, five Like they are over 20 if I'm not even being mistaken All distance you see here all of them are fake accounts of me On Instagram, please just take a very good look. I quiet on Twitter You can see again a lot of fake pages Twitter's only given us because I've never been on the ad I have never ever been on Twitter for one day There are tons of accounts you can see all of these accounts you can see here are all fake pages With my name and with my face And I think it's very good because ever since Twitter started a policy of payment for verification They've lost the morals. They no longer ask people for identification They're proper identification before they verify them. They just verify anyone that's willing to pay them Secondly, I'm not practicing If Naya ex-sale grants in Nigerian controversial lawyer and social media personality Better known online as baddest lawyer has stated that she does not currently practice law and has no plans to do so She said this in a video message shared via her TikTok page recently in reaction to the petition filed against her by the Nigerian Bar Association NBA in the video She said if I keep quiet it's going to be like an admission of guilt. I am not a practicing lawyer I am a lawyer by book but not practicing at least for now. I don't have any interest to practice law Maybe someday in the future. This was a clear case of social media personality versus real life and professional life So tonight we're asking should your professional identity affect your online persona Please let's say what you have to say remember you can join the conversation So there's an SMS or what's up to there is one eight zero three eight four six six three there is one eight zero three eight four Six six three. So let me ask the ladies at the table tonight Should your professional life affect your online persona So coming from an entertainment perspective Which is not sports is not included as an entertainment. Yeah, it doesn't you know except when you go overboard like Being like an alcoholic or just putting yourself in a situation where you know You can't really work with someone or your nuisance on set or whatever you do Yes, but in an entertainment industry it isn't as a matter of fact Whatever that you can do to get clouds or to get engagements go ahead and do it, right? But in a more corporate body, I would say that there is there is that juncture where your real life and your professional life meets You know and for if Naya out Just like you said earlier, we don't have like that we haven't investigated the story completely to like know What is it that NBS says or what is the condition for being called to back? And if they have like a guiding constitution, right? We haven't seen their constitution So I don't know so for me. I would say that in in a professional field and as someone who identifies with With NBN knowing how strict and rigid the law society is I mean like this is white and black gang But yeah, just about knowing that this is white and black gang. I think she should have been more guarded Yeah, that's that's what I would say Well in my opinion, yeah, I think I'm just coming from the perspective of a multi-level person in my regular life I believe that whatever you do should not affect you or However, you choose to live your life should not affect the things that you actually need to get done You know, you can't decide to do anyhow But when it's time to get things done when it's time to be serious You should identify that this is a time to actually be serious and get things done And like you rightly mentioned in some professions, you can actually get away with it Yeah, you can get away with being anyhow doing anyhow But I also understand that in certain kinds of profession You can't get away with a lot of things and my first question was is there a certain law in Nigeria for lawyers? There's states maybe that state a direction as to how they can live their lives or what they cannot do and if There are these laws, which I'm sure there are actually Whatever it is that if Naya did is it part of it, but then again When I was trying to look for the roots of story That even led to this whole petition in the very first instance And I found that that is not the fact that she was wearing a bikini. That was the problem I think what might have been the problem was the fact that she was actually holding marijuana and I mean Legally, that's that's wrong. So whether you are a lawyer or you're not a lawyer So I think that that's a ground for maybe an arrest or whatever it is that they choose to do But in this case someone who identifies as a lawyer is now being seen Holding whether she's practicing or not. I mean I can actually understand why they would have taken that decision. However Since she says she's not practicing I Don't see a problem. No, but tell me She has it's like Well, I do believe that she was called to that and when you are officially called to that you take your pictures You get your MBA ID card or association, whatever that identifies you Yeah, as part of whether you're practicing or not you have agreed that's why you say that there are no lawyers in Nigeria Specifically now that you live your life. No, I'm saying listen, you can live. Okay. For example, what is named this golf guy? Tiger Woods, yeah, right. So when you were signed as nobody said you should not have an affair Right. Now if you had that affair and kept it on the ground Nike and all the brands wouldn't have let go of him But the problem is I don't care what you're doing with your life is your life But just manage is such that it doesn't come online, right? Also, it's like a HR manager that you know Let's say something happens in the office and everybody laughs it over carry that same thing that happened in the office And put it online and see that HR will not fire you, you know, so I just think there is there is that Line but then if it was secret would it have been different? I think it would have been secret is legal So that means the problem was in marijuana. I should think so I mean if the problem was in marijuana, then I mean rightfully so I don't think I would have a problem with the entire Decision that he chooses to take. Yeah, but if it is I mean like I said, I'm coming from a place of a liberal person So maybe that's why I'm just seeing it out because I'm just like I Think hold moral values, right? I don't think what I don't know hold on hold on now take a look at this Just look at this Look at this. That's that does why I would never want that person to represent me in the court. I'm sorry. No What I'm trying to differentiate is are we talking of moral values or actual ethical? Ethical values, you know what? Can you like let's let's analyze this one after the other, right? Now pictures You are an employer Right. Mm-hmm someone three people come to your office for an interview and I've seen this happen Which I've even spoken to you about before I've seen this happen, right? Different people came in for an interview after whatever reason. I don't even know why the HR guy even decided So, you know go on Instagram to check out their Instagram pages and unfortunately they all had like their phone in You know with your Instagram. I mean next thing he comes to me and says, you know, come on see something I think he's showing me their pages and people not doing anything wrong or anything But I mean seeing them in the office dressed all corporate You won't believe that they were the same people on Instagram and I just smiled I laughed about because I'm like interesting that this person can be like this be this serious Yes, also be like this on social media, right? Now imagine that you're an employer and then someone comes you are you about to offer the person a job and then you go on the person's Instagram page and then you see this kind of thing You see the person posting Setting kind of I'm not talking about bikini if everybody goes to the pool and anybody can take a bikini picture for the logo Christ, there's nothing wrong with that. Anybody can decide to wear a crop top and a miniskirt like a raster That's nobody's business is how you choose to dress, right? But there are certain kinds of pictures there's certain kinds of acts that you don't want to bring into your office environment But does it affect the does it affect what the person How can you say at that point in time if it can affect the person's productivity or not? Okay, so for me, this is this is how I look at it, right? She's not practicing law But even in the future if she's going to practice law and let's say she's looking for the first client or the first case If somebody assigned me to her and says this is your lawyer because the internet never forget exactly I'll be like this How sure am I that she's clean house? I have I have a ton of questions So I probably wouldn't even accept she goes on to maybe lucky to get the first client or something and builds a track record of being Trustworthy as a lawyer. That's when I would use her, you know, so you know In this case, I don't think because from what she said from the video we watched right She says she's not practicing law. Maybe any time soon actually or never You know what? See that's what I'm saying. Okay, so if we're not going to go to if you know, let's go to like all other professions It doesn't stop because for instance, you can see a tech bro. It's a girl is looking all Most of them are always looking. I mean No offense to tech bros I mean, do you get I Mean, you know, sometimes when you even see them you can misjudge them. That's the place of profiling You can actually misjudge them by just looking at them But when they open their mouth or they show you their skills and what they can do In fact, that's for the first few seconds You even forget how the person looks and focus on the skill and what the person has to bring to the table There is a typical example that I want to bring up now, but then before I do that Let's let's quickly take a short break and then when we come back we'll continue the conversation If you're just tuning in we're discussing the topic should your professional identity affect your online persona Please let's say what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation SMS or WhatsApp to 081 80384663 and so that's actually different who wants to hear from you the caller So our phone line is now open. You can actually call us on 0702 507 749. I'll take the number again 0702 507 749. So I was saying for went on the break. Let's look at Boston, Tijani, for example Or let's look at Solomon Butchi For example, we know these are people that have very strong controversial Social media personalities, right? Then are you saying that you don't you've not sort of Judged what these people can be like in real life based on their own life personality. I haven't Okay, if at all, you know, it's true. I haven't if at all. I'll probably just I've just probably draw slight conclusions on their thought process But never about what they can do or what they cannot do in real life It's just because I feel like when you are whatever opinion you're sharing online No matter you want to say and what I share is not who I am or what I'm thinking I mean, there's there's a part of your thought process that has put whatever it seems that you put online out Do you understand? So that is only that is the only way I see because I mean it's a different it would have been a different thing entirely if we were saying that This will dress the way you want to be addressed, you know I mean put yourself out there the way you like people to see you the way you like people to carry you Absolutely Because if you are putting yourself out there, somebody that's smoking and he's doing that's probably how you want people to carry you And I think another thing that plays out is the the Nigerian society Like we are very very big on on morality. That's why I was asking that is it a moral are we doing a moral a What's it called are we based on moral standards both moral and ethical because see there are some there are some or written rules that goes with See I I agree with you. I agree on that I actually agree on that. But then again, maybe I think my own problem is the fact that this person just says she's not practicing and then This one like No, that's why I said, you know, well, let's even shift away from from this ifunaya What's it called now, you know, I mean, like I said earlier, this is just like the break up for the conversation Because it was inspired the conversation Out of this and then let's just talk about who are you when no one is watching So Or I've already said it that in entertainment Literally, if you like go naked you get as much engagement as you want is okay, right? But in a work environment, there are certain things that you do that. Okay. For instance You have a you are you are chasing a contractor you're chasing one time to give you contract and something And then your staff is somewhere being let's say Let's say For instance, I walk with a procurement company or something and I'm here Talking about or criticizing the person that is the pamsec to give us work contract. Do you understand? That's not going to tell good of me. Which is what happens to Boston Sejani, by the way. Yeah So that's what I'm saying that I I think that you see me. I fear the internet so much I don't know why and I think this happened from when I was very little when we said I hear in that story of Kim Kardashian sexy. See from that time I'm always very conscious of Whatever it is that goes online about me. Yeah, because what has stuck in my head that the internet never forget I mean I want to be in government tomorrow Do I have one that counts? One is different Are we seeing your face? Do we know your name? Yeah, but I think I think sometimes people have turned personality What what what is this syndrome like when you've invested so much into something No, it's not it's not imposter when like you've invested I can't what you're trying to say So, um, let's say you've invested into your parents want you to be a lawyer And you've worked hard at being a lawyer you've been called to back And now you know, you want to do something different. Maybe in if my ask is maybe Venture into modeling or be a porn star or whatever it is you want to be So now you're thinking I can't let go of this I've invested 10 years or 12 years of my life into becoming this So how about I find a way to handle this and handle this together? I feel like maybe she's going through that tone personality There's something they call it. I'm going to figure it out multiple personality It's not multiple multiple personality. It's not like this is an illness Is a mental condition that one is not no, but see even if that's what it is, right? I like that you don't talk about having a boner account see there are several ways, right? People don't necessarily Why do you even feel they need to even show the world that part of you? That is even why do people need to even first of all know that's part of you No, let's leave this conversation as professional. Let's not go into moral because that's I'm not talking about it from a moral standpoint Okay, you know what now the banks have said that at every point when you go to open a bank account For the as a part of the kyc. They want to go check your instagram handle or your social media handle. So you're supposed to Your retribution from now on carry Hey, so that if something happens tomorrow, it's just a way for them to trace you the way they act for your phone number Act for your email address and it might also be a way to contact you. They want to follow your social media So here is here is this other angle that I feel like we should explore You know, I don't know if you're aware of this thing where everybody is clamoring for followership on On on social media, facebook, instagram, youtube because they get paid So how about we see from the angle that this girl is doing this thing because maybe she doesn't have a job Maybe she tried getting a job as a lawyer and he's not working Or maybe she got job as a clerk just to be carrying files up and down and he's not he's not working for her So she says, okay, you know what? I can do whatever it takes and chase clouds and get engagement because the truth is We're discussing her here, but if she's getting lots of engagement on tiktok and all what not She's making money. Absolutely. What are you guys talking about? It's not even for me, but I'm discussing about her. You know, it's just reality. Let's just You know, so maybe this is just Chasing clouds or creating entertainment for engagement online that will eventually translate into Money and not money in like local currency. We're talking like foreign currency. You know, okay I think we have a caller essay essay from the u.s Hello essay Thanks for calling please go ahead Yeah, we can hear you. Please go ahead Hello essay. We can hear you. Please go ahead Okay, I think I say I say sorry about that. You might have to call us back. Sorry, sir You were saying something. Yeah, I was just making the point that I I think this lady is just Trying to because literally young people at this age were at a point and given that I'm not sure her age. I'm not sure I read her age where she looks like a gen Z Yeah, exactly. So given that gen Z is definitely that age where Anything works if he takes her in a bikini to get the follow-up shift or doing skates, whatever that was Just go ahead and do it. They are liberals. Whereas, you know, I'm more on the conservative side So it makes sense why W would Actually, I think that's part of I think that is part of actually you are right Chasing clouds The walk like the electricity walk generation would definitely not see anything wrong with setting things And like I said earlier, I don't think that it is not particularly a problem, right? It's just the same way. Okay. I think essay is work. Hi essay. Good evening Please go ahead Yeah, um, it doesn't matter the um, all last test so that, um As a game to your professional identity It doesn't matter because, um in the west they would actually, um Hire an investigator Before they hired you for a job They would hire an investigator because, you know, your social media Your account and see what you actually put out there So it doesn't matter. So it's not about morality in Nigeria. It actually doesn't matter Okay, thank you very much. Um, I think we're just talking about Yeah, okay. We're just talking about, um How some organizations would actually go through Your social media Yeah, how to go through your social media to find out what it is that you have been up to The kind of pressing that you are and if it's not something they're particularly comfortable with They will hire you and I'm sure nobody wants Their future employer to see certain things on their instagram or on their facebook or whatever social media App that he might be And there's something about being Responsible on the internet and I don't know what responsibility means. It's quite relative and it means different things to us, right? But at the same time, I don't know where at what point do we actually draw the line? Maybe that's the question we should be asking now What is too much? Too much is Too much is relative to your convictions Your your religion your society your industry like In the u.s. You lived in florida or new york or you could just walk around with Almost nothing and as naked as you are everybody's walking face-front, but try that in nigeria Women will tear out the arapas say cover yourself They don't care if you are giving them permission to touch your another like cover yourself You see people beating you not really beating you but you know like All over your case, you know, so I think that there are said okay an instance is Remember after he'll da basi won Guinness record two days later pictures of her surfaced online of her previous birthday and The new doubt fit that she wore, you know, and so a lot of people were calling her No, I was supporting you because I thought that you were praying what God cannot do does not exist Now you cannot do this. I'm not supporting you again, but uh, her god is strong Because at the end of the day, she's still got like It didn't because to Guinness that does if Guinness record was Nigeria that would matter Right because this Nigerian society driven by morals. We are very high on moral and ethics Right. So at the end of the day Guinness is not Nigeria. So it didn't it didn't disrupt anything But Nigerians were already like shutting her out. But at the end of the day the miracle of it is that You know and does that still came for her, you know, so she's just one of those people that There are certain professions Yeah, I think that as the only part that I would like to agree on but other than that should maybe your social media Personnel, I don't think hasn't You I mean you being a professional at what you are actually doing. I don't think he has anything to do But yes, I understand that certain professions. You just I mean if a doctor for instance a sentence is you cannot Just like if you're a lawyer the certain things you can't do So I get that I mean and if you have swung the oath or whatever does that in this color If you have said, okay, this is the profession I want to go by I mean you must be able to abide by all these rules basically unless you are disassociating from That entire profession and everything that concerns it. But to say that How you are on social media is probably I mean maybe somehow translate or the way people see I mean I don't believe in it because I feel like it's straight up profiling In here that's just the truth. I mean just like you see someone that has a guy that has dreadlocks And probably drives a fancy car and is young And you think it's a yellow boy. Is that what we're doing answers? Do you understand and this person might even be a tech bro. No, no, you have you have a point This person might be a tech bro. I mean, I understand. I mean, what would you say? I have another experience An organization I used to work with and how I do in fact, I didn't you know remember that my E.D. at the time used to view my WhatsApp status And I remember it was a Friday just like this and Me I just left the office I didn't leave the office earlier. I left the office at five that were supposed to leave the office and I went home And I was out that night And I posted it on my WhatsApp status And the next thing on Monday We're having And the next thing he says That's why you left your Because you are chasing after fm routing and I was confused for a bit like that's not even his business to start with Like wait, wait, wait, wait, what's this guy talking about? Why are you talking about me chasing after fm routing? I was very confused Also, you know what I had to say because you were going you knew that you wanted to go out and say What? I should not leave the office at three I go with your I look and I'm like I'm doing that I just do my Instagram And from then I just realized that see That's why many people don't allow people who even work in their offices They don't even allow them view their status as top because of things like because what is the person's business? I left the office when I am supposed to leave the office. I didn't leave any work undone It did not reduce my productivity for the day. It did not reduce my professionalism by any chance But I went out because it's even a fright if as regardless of what day since I said I went out after work And then you come to the office and I come and talk about me chasing after ephemeral things I don't think it's your business for me I feel like we are getting to that place where the lines are being blurred like the line of like work life Balance, you know, I mean you do want to have fun, but how much fun is too much fun So by getting to a place where I think institutions or companies or production houses should say, okay This is where we draw our line No, I just spell it out in black and white. So it is written. So all of us should see Let me ask you a question now You're working in a place and you have to even draw the line. There was no club I mean, and you like to call you that now because that's your personal life There's nothing wrong with that What is your That's where they draw the line For instance now A HR or someone who comes judging you based on or someone who let's say HR that is Christian now Because this is a scenario that plays out a lot and they don't believe in clubbing And now a staff who is notorious for clubbing almost every night and still comes to work and delivers But then they're always clubbing. Do you understand ideally if the if that Christian is not Doesn't sincerely have the Holy Spirit working inside of him Yeah, he gets super judgmental and guess what that guy falls off his list, you know, so it's wrong It's wrong on every level. So my only is we should draw a line This is my do not oh don't wear stimpy clothes. So don't wear this one. Oh, don't carry that out. So we would look What was that? So we would know that this this is your constitution, right? And so the same thing with the nba if you're going to um Sanction this lady or so tell us what exactly is the boundary We are at a place where you can only judge things based on the boundary that was given Because everything is blurred right now But then you see if we come back to the topic Right ask him should your professional life affect your should your personal life affect your online persona Well now this is my personal view I think that We should all use our church To know what it is that we put out there on the internet For several reasons. Yeah, nobody's saying when you go out you go out you have a couple of drinks and whatnot You can't put that up. I mean who would judge you for nightlife? That's even wrong Nobody should judge people having nightlife at least your own way of creating your own work life balance And that's fine. But now you posting videos where I mean, we are now doing certain kinds of things and you know that your profession In quotes because you signed up for it In a profession like love for example Where you have gone to school for five years. I'm sure that at some point in your five years You talked about the ethics of Law school you thought some of those things as well. You know what you know what wants to be expected of you What you shouldn't do you don't kind of think you should not get into several Professions have Laws and ethics that are guiding guiding them, right? So I think that if you know that that is what it is that you have studied you signed up for it That's what you put yourself in you should know where to go your boundaries to avoid certain kinds of problems So that you can also live your life the way that it seems that you want to live your life If you are and even if you are See, I don't even subscribe to the fact that because you are an entertainer I saw on one one of the comments on this. Um, if I'm not supposed to someone said Oh, even though she's a bird. They have only fans I'm do you get I'm like even if they have only fans account, you know how only only fans work Not every and anybody can have access to your only fans when people subscribe for your only fans in the first place So if you are a human being you are even you have your only fans account safe You know that okay, this is what these are the people that are able to view my whatever These are the subscribers that I have nobody can just bump in there and you know See whatever it is that you're posting on only fans People can create fake accounts And still see I think honestly when we put anything online, just know that anybody and everybody can see it But if you block me, I can it's cheap. I can create 50 different account accounts find you and still can join in Yeah, you guys are you guys are still basing it based. I mean you guys are still speaking based off Maybe not even more as the time around you're speaking based off of Professions that have specific themes or other guidelines In this case, like two practical example is law and medicine. There are two practical examples I am saying that what because we are saying professionalism now. We're not we're not staying on a particular profession So I'm saying that for some other profession Should really again, I mean I ask the question should their social life have anything to do with their professional Like you said in your example This person might be going to club every day in my Virginia, but every day the person gets to work the person delivers It does not or she does not leave any work undone delivers even beyond expectation So I don't see a problem Actually don't see so now it should be whatever the person is putting on social I mean I understand that whatever it is that you're putting on social media You should be very conscious of it because the internet never forget So you should be sure that whatever it is you're putting on social media will be something that you are seeing maybe in 10 years time I am not utterly embarrassed Right, that's based on you. Look the things that might embarrass me. Do not embarrass you That's why these things are very like life is not black and white That's just the truth. What I think is too much might be moderate to you Both moderation and too much are too are they're entirely relative because what you think is moderate me I think that you're not even doing you're probably If I'm able to get doing too much now, this is exactly the same reason why I said that or rather I'm suggesting that Houses or companies should list out your rules. What is it that works for you? Now there are some companies No, no, but there is induction now like when I got in a business development I was never gonna work in business development. Ah, they did induction for us. So, ah, this one cannot happen This one cannot this one cannot but they didn't go as well But don't you think that they are going to be like, I mean don't you think that that is them putting maybe restrictions On I mean through your personal life outside of work but restrictions are boundaries are healthy It helps you to know the rules of engagement Me I like boundaries though. I'm a very boundary straight draw a line don't cross here kind of person You know, and it helps me stay focused and nowhere like everything if there's a budget There's a section there is a bag there is a section in my brain Because like that person that you said now you're from my MD or ED that you said came to the office After on monday and then came to come and be seen one if you leave that kind of person to give you guidelines Oh, no, you tell you don't sleep I'm telling you the gospel. So what do you do in such situation? You cannot all day carry your bag. I mean, you just understand that people are actually adults They are not children working with you. They are actual adults who have lives. I think So, which It is relative right, but I think that the most important thing you this room talk about being Responsible online. There's something that We actually need to learn to be responsible online be responsible online And I'm like you rightly said because in the future we don't want to be embarrassed But then I think if we go on we're going we're just going to keep going back and forth going back and forth But then before we go to ensure you follow us on instagram and spacial africa You can interact with us further drop a comment and most importantly follow all our social media Remember to like share and comment also invite your friends and family to watch yourself follow If you miss the school territories again, I'm not a practicing lawyer I am a lawyer by book but not practicing this by if and I are granted See you on monday at 8 p.m. As we bring another great conversation to your screen