 The following views and opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect the official position of the participants Sides of the debate have been assigned randomly in order to create conflict comedy awkwardness and embarrassment Any resemblance between their true feelings coinciding with the side of the debate that has been dealt to them is purely Coincidental what what can we agree on about both of them off the bat? They're both high. I agree I Will do the new We're going to talk about Fiona Volpe played by Luciana Paluzzi. I'd like how you say it and Fatima blush played by Barbara Carrara, I think and What do these two? Women have in common Right, so they're they're both a Clear femme fatale in like a fundable in fundable and in never say never again Which is the remake to fundable so in the McClory movies you could say and Clearly Fatima blush or Fatima blush is like the rebooted Fiona Volpe. We're gonna debate today. Which of these two chicks Is the best basically? Between never say never again and thunderball, which which movie do you prefer just out of curiosity? Yeah It came out 20 years before it nearly 20 years. Yeah, like 18 or something and It's superior in almost every way Movie-wise I think and Oh between these two I'm going to Defend Fiona. Oh, yes, you get Fiona and you got Fatima. Yes. Okay. I can work with that So like Luciana Paluzzi Fiona has always been one of my favorite Bond girls. I know the nest or not I've always loved her even even aside from like her being gorgeous and like her her dresses and like the boa that she has on everything She's very like cunning smart character Very devious like she she's like the way she stares at Connery in some of the scenes like either with maliciousness and evil in her eyes like she just caught him or like Gonna seduce him Yeah, she just getting out of the bathtub and just walked right over to him I Think she she's like a true highlight in that movie. Yeah, like just standout. Yeah standout character and One of the things I always liked about her too was her and Connery There's so many great little scenes and dialogue between them Yeah, you know like her in the bathtub and so give me something to wear. He just hands Answered the shoes best one of the best moments if on the ball after like getting out of the car driving really fast You know, I hope my driving didn't scare you mr. Bond. He says I've always been under of a spass and Joe Oh, well, some men just don't like to be driven. She's no some men just don't like to be taken for a ride. Yeah Like really great. Do you fly here often? Yeah, they're really great great little lines and And then the final death scene of hers like so well done like Bond is on the run He seems trapped You know then pulls her up on the dance floor And then like it's that great edited sequence of like the drums getting faster and like but You know Connery to try to figure out like what to do whips her around the gun goes like right in her back That scene too. Yeah. Yeah, this is all you my mind of my friends. This is one out. She's dead, you know, like Yeah Fiona I I am a Fiona fan. I love you Yeah Also, I'll mention the motorcycle moment. She takes the helmet off with the hair. I mean like gorgeous looking like Deadly and gorgeous, you know I agree. It's there the boats really strong characters. I think That's the one thing never say never again. That's has got going for it. It's it's is Fatima blush I think it's one of the strongest elements to never say never again to a very, you know mediocre Weak bond film in general what I think Fatima blush is a highlight to it and I think in my Top 10 henchmen video I included both Fiona Volpe and Fatima blush in there in the top 10 henchmen I think Fiona Volpe I ranked higher But it's mostly because Fiona Volpe is like the archetype of the femme fatale. So he sees clearly The more iconic one Fiona, but I think I said in my Never say never again review like Fatima blush. She's so good. She's almost dare I say even better than the original. I think I've said that I review and I could still argue for that because I think what Fatima has got for it is like she's so Over top. She's almost like the the precursor to Xenia on the top in some ways. She's like I think maybe She's golden. I they may have looked looked at her because Xenia on the top is probably my favorite hench woman henchmen in the series in general. I think I ranked her number one but I think she has a lot of elements that that they got from Fatima blush and like you said with with Fiona and Fiona Volpe and Connery have a lot of good moments So do Fatima blush and Connery and never say never again. I always like the bit where Where she's introduced, you know, where she comes Under water skis that this is like, oh, I made you all wet. Oh, don't worry. My martini's still dry, you know I've been still waiting for for me to say that line in real life at some point. It still hasn't happened It's one of the best moments in the and also Just like Fiona Volpe. She also has the amazing dead scene with the pen and over the top of Making her say to you know, that she was the best sex she's ever had, you know Bond is forced to say it and then he goes well to be perfectly honest There was this girl in Philadelphia, you know, that's a great scene as well And it's also the the snake that they're really over the top clothing them Uh, I think there's there's even that weird sex scene It's one of the weirdest in the series though where you see the door opening and then you see her, you know Okay, yeah in the boat in the boat that's kind of weird, but it it does again that does Um, remind me of Xenia on the top like she's she's this wild Creature almost like this this over top henchwoman. So she's definitely not vanilla so to speak The the personality is there and compared to all the other characters in never say never again She's clearly the strongest, you know, who else the well, you know, the the the Largo What's his name class hung the ground howler or something, you know who I mean Yeah, not not as good as amelio Largo from fundable I can see why they casted max fanzino as blow felt it could have been really good, but he really was He's so forgettable. Like in that movie. He doesn't really like when he when max mattito died recently Yeah, I saw like, oh, yeah, blow blow felt that people mentioned. I said, oh, yeah, that's right. He did buy Both love Yeah, because I know I think connery wanted him and I can I can see That that he could have had it, but you know in in his defense that was barely any anything to work with Yeah, it was like two little scenes like any like uh In matters of death Yeah, yeah, it's it's all very small scale, especially compared to fundable so M as well very weak. Um, I like the new q the q they they take Yeah, I agree with you on that. He's kind of amusing. It's a different different take on him So they do have that but Other than that, you know, let's face it. Never say never again. It's not really a strong bond film, but for team of blush And connery in a way make it work. Well, I think at least dividend I think she shines She she's she did a great job acting in there in this film. I can't really point like a scene like oh Here she's She's weak or here she could have done she's over the top She's out there and she she went all out for it. Yeah I would I would say yeah, she she does seem like she's really enjoying Playing evil and is just not holding back at all throughout like as soon as she shows up With the clothes and her attitude and some of her lines Like I remember like he tells her so okay, you could go kill bond and she's running down the stairs She starts taking down her hair and everything like she's a wild cat on a rampage now Like he's gonna she gets to kill bond. Yeah But she she but in some ways like I always thought of her as like A little too campy in a way It's just like a little it's a little too over the top. It's like she's so Exaggerated In comparison to Fiona who like I could see okay. They would trust her as this reliable assassin and and she she knows how to handle the situations and all this stuff Uh Fatima she just seems like like like a crazed cat on the loose almost Like yeah, you don't know what to expect like that She might get the job done But she she could get a little crate like throwing the snake in in the guy's car and stuff like that She'll get the job done, but on her I guess like on her own wild terms Like I don't know if I would trust her with I completely agree with that assessment, but I think that's That adds color to the film. Yeah It does entertainment I could see yeah And and the film needed that too It is a very dry film like a very I don't know there's something always weird about never say never It's a lot of those scenes like people like complain about license to kill looking cheap There's a lot of like sets and never say never again that just look Really like they filmed it in like I don't know closet or like Like just a blank room The experience of me always watching is is you It just feels like In every scene like this is not eon, you know, it's always clear in your mind Like I'm not watching an eon bond film, you know, the music is off It just you know immediately from the start instead of a gun barrel You get this really bad song with the lettering showing up because I I think I prefer never say never again over diamonds off forever though not in the music, but It's it's I I do find it more entertaining But other than that's still a very weak film Yeah, it's that exact and it's there are so much of it is is face-palming and never say never again like Thunderballs for for instance the scene where in Thunderball where bond has to mention to domino that that her brother died And you have to beat scene and it gets emotional You know He puts on his sunglasses to hide his uh, yeah and then and then and then Fast forward to never say never again and and you get the ballroom dance and it's like Dance Perfect moment to mention that one bond it's keep dancing And it's it's it's to me. It's so It's funny like If you compare it He's sympathetic to domino and like thunderball and all this stuff Meanwhile and never say never again. He's basically feeling up kim basinger on like the massage table and stuff And it like it's hard to like say oh bond is he's he's really caring for this woman. He wants to help her like Yes, a funny line in there like you have a what was it? Some severe stress into No, no, I say it wrong. I wish I looked this up beforehand, but you know what I'm talking about It's I used to croak that a lot I know like she says like oh, can you go lower? He says, oh, that feels good. Yeah, it certainly does. I mean, wow Wow this guy He must have been felt embarrassed doing that I would like Yeah, who knows But fatima one thing about fatima and connery paired up I always thought of like a similarity between that pairing and roger moore and grace jones Sort of like they cast like a younger wilder Woman to like To pair them up with like these older bonds in a way to almost like counteract a little bit of like, you know, the age or For something Interesting comparison Yeah but to me to me Mayday is um It's like creepy as hell and and like it's like quince quince wordy when when see and roger, uh, you know, uh Uh hit the sheets. Yeah, but but with uh Barbara carara at least he's very hot. It's uh, but I could see the comparison yet. They're both They're similar types of hens women and that's another thing. Maybe maybe with grace jones They took some inspiration from fatima blush too because that came like two years after I'd say never again Because other than um Correct me if i'm wrong other than theona You don't really have that much Over the top fan fatales until never say never again. You have Naomi in the spider love me Which doesn't get that much screen time then you have um You have bebe Bomby and thumper in diamonds. Yeah small roles Um, yeah, the major one was yeah on the top Yeah, so it wasn't until then and I think for team out definitely Had some influence although eon would probably never, uh Admit it, but but I think they may she may have had some influence on them in what she did with uh with the role And craig is he gonna get like a good femme fatale? Well, I was hoping I don't I don't know I don't most could be uh, but I think she's not a good girl I think we won't get get another one Yeah, yeah now like oh making like a woman a bad character. Why do you have to make all women bad? She should be a positive role model for Yeah, well, we haven't had it. We haven't had a proper bad one for a long time. Yeah I think uh Miranda frost was the last one. Oh, god. I forgot about her probably Yeah well Yeah, you have the chief's chick in casino, but that's not doesn't really count You you could argue that you know Monica Baluchis character was on the the side of the bad guys, but you know see They they really water him down and compares it to to Fiona and Fatima Exactly just straight out evil and gonna I'm gonna kill. I'm gonna have sex with him black widow women like exactly and usually they're very good Yeah Exactly Grace Jones as well creepy as hell, but see she's a good character. I mean memorable as hell So was uh, is any on the top? Well, I think in this discussion I could Objectively I would like I said I ranked them too and I ranked Fiona over Fatima but I think One of the strengths that Fiona of all behases she was The archetype she's the first of her kind so to speak and she's the more memorable and iconic one And you know Fatima blush happens to star in an unofficial bond film But I think had she been part of the official series she would have been much more beloved Uh, I think you make them you bring up some good arguments You bring up some good positives about her like some some of the stuff about her like kind of it would just turn me off like when she's She's wearing like a pirate outfit Almost pirate pants and stuff like some of the like there's no real reason for her to I'm like rest that way. Yeah I'm like It's not as classy as like Fiona in in her dresses or like when she walks in and Um, the big hat that that's that's one one moment. I I like is when um She she walks into uh Martin bezwick Yeah She she walks in on paula and with the hat and like immediately, you know, okay Paula's gonna be dead and never say never again They have the paula stand in and she ends up dead in the in the water bed Yeah, she is like she doesn't get any barely any mention any screen time. You barely see her face There's like no setup to this character and like the death like it's strange about that in my my recap too. It's like, um What's her name of the polo equivalent in uh in never say never again They mention it. I remember he mentions it to felix Because I in my recap I was like, uh, and then it's revealed that that c is dead and you're like, oh, no Wait, who was she again? Oh, yeah That's the joke I made about it in my my recap is like, oh She she died or who is it? And she she only shows up in the airport scene to pretty much. Yeah It's it's kind of strange at least like her name now At least like paula like I knew who it was like when we see her dead We we know who she was that kind of sees like in the but like yeah the one in the water bed It's like almost like barely I I didn't even glance it like didn't even get she didn't barely got any screen time to like establish her Yeah, exactly It's it's almost like they put that scene in because okay. This is what the story is Yeah, and like they didn't even bother like establishing it Yeah, I said we got to get to the motorcycle chase forget don't worry about her. Yeah Yeah horrible Um, so like I I still stand by it again. Fiona is like still one of my top top favorite Bonnie else villainess good girl bad girl Yeah, no, I would and I would agree. I think that's the the thing with this this episode I could argue for both sides. I think they're both strong actresses in their roles and they both did a good job with and Um, Fiona has the upper hand for being more memorable and being in the official series, but um, they're both uh They're both good and they're both hot Would you say uh, Fiona is a standout character in a great movie and fatima is a great character in a So-so movie. Yeah, that sums it up. Yeah Yeah, I could I could go with that Yeah Thanks a lot for watching my video. Do you like my work and would you like to help this channel grow? Well, consider becoming part of the exclusive dbf community and help support my channel What is the dbf community? Well, it's the community over at my patreon page made for the biggest fans of my channel Why did I create this community? 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