 The reason I called this talk your new superpower, for those who have been in web design more than four or five years, you remember when mobile responsive was the new, had to build everything mobile responsive. Building accessible websites as being mandatory, it's coming. I don't know when but it is coming. And of course certain niches require it. So I'm actually in the middle of a project now that requires, I'm actually building a website for blind, for the blind and visually impaired that provides service dogs for those people. And so we're taking them from a website that was built before accessibility was even, I think the websites may be over ten years old, a non-mobile responsive website into something that we are actually testing all the way through. So before we get started on that, who am I? I've been building websites for like over 20 years. I started out when Dreamweaver started actually before that go live, if anybody remembers that. I've been using WordPress for eight years. I'm a former art teacher. So I have all the art education and then I moved completely to the opposite end of the spectrum as an IT director. And there is a story behind that. And I actually did a small stint as Apple tech support. So I've been freelancing full time for eight years also. That decision was made for me because I got laid off. And I had one freelancing client think, oh, I'm going to try this in here I am eight years later. I'm a past presenter at WordCamp Atlanta, WordCamp Birmingham, WordCamp Miami. I've done meetups here in Atlanta. And probably going to start a meetup in South Atlanta area in noon in Georgia. So for all of us that live south. And so I'm going to talk a little bit about a lot of this was covered in Christine's talk yesterday and Kim's talk yesterday. But what I'm going to do is actually kind of get more into the technical things that you think of, themes, plugins and stuff like that. So web accessibility refers to the practice of removing barriers that prevent interaction with or access to websites, people for disabilities. Now, my project I'm working on visual people are visually impaired. But that's also mobile mobility, hearing impaired. You've got to kind of think of the whole the whole gamut when you're building. And one in five people have a disability. And what I loved about Christina's presentation yesterday is she said, you know, if you wear glasses, it's a disability. You know, I am pretty much legally blind without contacts or glasses. In fact, I'm wearing contacts now and I'll be putting glasses on top of them so I can read. So you can exclude up to 20% of potential users, customers, buyers, clients from accessing your website. So I'm telling you right now, yes, there's work involved, but get ahead of the curve. Because if you do it now, and you market that as part of your service, you're going to be ahead of everybody else. And in fact, I'm a short story to side. I just got a huge project with a retirement community that has owns 12 retirement communities throughout the Atlanta area. They were working with an agency in Atlanta, weren't crazy about what they did. I had one meeting with them that lasted two hours. I now have the project. They're dumping the agency. And it was because, well, you do realize that all your websites have to be accessible because some of your communities accept Medicare. And that was not something that the other agency ever even brought up. And even the design that they actually showed me their designs, I'm like, well, this won't pass and this won't pass. I can tell by looking at it. And that was the thing that got me that job. And so be ahead of the curve. Besides, it's the right thing to do. You don't want barriers between you and what you want. So just do it. The standards, I'm not going to talk a lot about that. Christine covered that yesterday and you can go read it. WCAG standards. What you want to, there's three levels. There's A, which is basically alt images with your alt tags with your images and just some basic functionality. What you're striving for is AA, the middle of the road. What I'm striving for on the website I'm building is AAA on most pages. So you can go in and read what those are. And I have some links later on in the slides. And my slides are available. So the U.S. Web Accessibility Laws exists now for only organizations that receive federal funding or organizations that work with those that receive federal funding. So when you're doing that interview with a client and if you remotely smell any federal involvement or if they get anything or their client tells them they have customers that they market to that have that, you've got to ask because you have to abide by those laws. Now there is talk about adding the web accessibility standards and making a law across the board with the American with Disabilities Act. I'm going to say it's probably coming. It's probably coming very soon. You've got to have that accessibility and not have the barriers. You don't want to be called into a lawsuit because you build a website for a company and they get sued. Now I'm going to bring up a fact because I was helping somebody out online the other day who just had a new website. They built it with an accessible theme and he got a lawyer. There are certain lawyers from a certain West Coast state that are trolling websites. And what they do is they hit the contact form and that they're saying your website's not accessible. We're going to sue you even though you don't do business with somebody out in California. But this guy had just redid the site so he thinks the person saw the previous site which was not accessible and this one was and he asked me to do a quick audit on it and what happened was he was using a theme that worked perfectly but he had added a CSS rule that broke the tabbing through the menu. So I went through and I just did a quick scan with some tools and said you know it's it's great this is the only thing that's broken and here's the CSS rule that's causing it. So you know fix this and you'll be fine. So now what are the legal demands for accessibility? There are lawsuits out there. I only put a few. Kim had a whole bunch of them yesterday and one of the things like the one I heard very first and we most have is Wendixie. Wendixie got sued because they did not have an accessible website even for screen readers and why it went part of the reason it went through is because Wendixie has a rewards program with their little tick now little scannable thing and you but you had to interact with the website to sign up for it. He couldn't interact he couldn't sign up for it so he is being disclued he is being denied the access to the rewards program and the discounts. So you've got to make sure that you follow all those rules and you're not excluding anything anybody from any offers. Netflix, Hulu, Home Depot, eBay, it seems like the big ones are getting targeted first the people with the deep pockets it's only a matter of time before the mom-and-pop stores get targeted. Okay if you learn the standards and you understand what the most common barriers are you're going to do fine. First of all you're using good markup because you're using WordPress so that's not going to be a problem. Learn Aria, vet themes and plugins just because a plugin says it's accessible or accessible ready doesn't mean it is and a good example is beaver builder plugin how many people use the beaver builder page builder like I use it almost every side of it not every module in there is accessible your if you stick with tabs and accordions you're pretty good but when you get into the more fancy animated stuff may not be accessible so check check check read the documentation I know most people they throw a plug in in their last resort if something isn't working right is actually read the documentation so read it especially if it's a premium plug-in read it before you buy it don't be afraid to say hey you know how is your accessibility I've reached out to people with developers and does this work on accessible it's just an accessible menu and find out well no we haven't got there yet okay cross that one off the list and you test with tools and Kim talked a lot about tools I use Wally W a 11 y if you're wondering why it's called that because there's 11 letters between a and y so W a 11 y wave tools what I'm going to show you here acts as a chrome plug-in but if you want to get a full list of tools you know get Kim's presentation from yesterday now here are the common barriers non-text content such as images videos and don't have a text equivalent so are your PDFs accessible if you have video is it captioned or is there a transcript you have to have it have it both ways captioned or transcript would both boys would be great but at least have a transcript or written transcript of it user cannot ask content via the keyboard that's a big thing I'm starting to like keyboard navigate everything to see if it it will show can you get there through the arrow keys in the tab key action items without defined purpose or context IE click here read more and I'm going to talk about how you can solve that now you have to get around your whole well some of those websites just says read more continue reading or has a more link why can't my website why does mine have a big long link like this well because you're accessible and actually actually the problem I'm having with my client now that I'm building the site for it because I did that and they told me to turn it off because they just wanted to say read more and I'm like no and we can't do that and here's why the inability to visually determine if an element has a focus some people turn off that browser focus when you're tabbing through your website with the tab key it puts a little border around the element that it's on some people don't like that so they actually write a CSS rule that turns that off so don't do that because it really helps using only color to convey information if you're using charts or grids or some visual make sure that you have an element besides color use a shape use an icon along with the color so people that are colorblind aren't going to get lost in the chart and that they can skip content and they have a skip header and I'll show that most most WordPress themes have that and it's easy to test just by hitting the tab key let's say how can I build with accessibility in mind okay the first part is easy because you're using WordPress good semantic meaningful HTML 5 so if you're picking a theme make sure it's not a really old one that's not in HTML 5 color contrast now here's where it gets hard like for me I didn't do the design of the website I'm building they I'm doing it as a subcontractor for a marketing company so I didn't do the design but the designer I don't think read one thing about accessibility when they did design so the first thing off the bat when I saw it was this isn't going to pass this isn't going to pass badly and so I had to go in and say well here's I'm going to build it like this because I'm using beaver builder I can build it out really quick and then I did the the testing and I wrote down everything that was wrong and went back to them went back to the marketing company I said we need to redo design and here's why and if we just tweak this color here we can make this part accessible we're gonna have to get rid of all that because that's not going to pass and so we've in process of building this website we're actually building every page testing every page having user testing on every page and so it's taking a long time but we're fixing each problem as we go and and meaningful links not click here read more continue reading so meaningful headings okay think back to your high school term papers where you had h1s and h2s and then between those h3s your your you have a logical order to your your heading tags you're not using them because I want I want this thing to be this size but I want this thing to be this size so I'll just use a heading tag no you have it has to be a logical sequence because the people that are using screen readers can see that you actually have a logical structure to your website so you have your h1 tag and then you have your subheadings h2 and then your sub subheadings h3 so it makes it easy for them to understand the organization of your content all tags and descriptions for images besides being great for SEO it really helps the user now there's two types of descriptions there's the normal short description and then with WP accessibility plugin you can actually enable a long description not every website's going to need the long description a great example that Christine Kim gave was if it was an artist portfolio website you'd want to use long descriptions because you're going to be describing pieces of artwork but for the project we're working on we're using short succinct descriptions that tell people exactly what the image is and don't use mega menus it's really really hard for people with screen readers and people with low vision to see because the text on those mega menus are so small and it's just hard for them to read and plus when they're they're tapping through and then they have to tab through this column and then this column and then this column so you know I'm guilty I like mega menus but I'm not using them anymore so color contrast this is probably the hardest one I to do because you you do it's all this is a great design and then there's not enough color contrast for instance the original design for the project I'm working on had a lot of blue and orange together but they were about the medium shades each so for colorblind they're going to look exactly the same there's no color contrast so we're not we need to change this we let's set of orange let's use the pale yellow in your in your design guide because we can get enough contrast while this blue isn't quite cutting it if we make it like just a shade darker we can pass we can pass with a triple a so there's websites and stuff for checking that black text on a white background is not always the easiest to read especially for the low vision person or even dyslexic users there's a great you a great WordPress TV video go go watch it on UX design for accessibility and he actually talks about for some dyslexic users if they change the color background to a specific color like green or purple with white text they can read it perfectly I actually talked to a young boy who is dyslexic last weekend and I asked him had he tried that and so let's set down the computer and he actually found it easier to read when it for him if it was a green background and he didn't never knew that because he never noticed it and I I just saw this was a neat idea and when I found out that the son of a friend of mine was dyslexic I said can I ask him some questions and it ended up being a really enlightening conversation with him white text on light backgrounds first of all why I have a designer I work with her favorite color combination is a pale blue with white text and I always say you can't see this well it looks really good I said yeah you've got your 20 your 23 and you have 23 year old eyes I'm not 23 I don't have 23 year old eyes and it's hard to read and then we'll put it up there and the her boss is my age so I can't read that need to change the color and so you know after three years she's finally starting to get the idea that she needs to stop doing her a favorite color combination of light blue and white text colorblind users may not be able to see the colored links in the body without underlines now probably the first CSS rule you learned was to remove the underlines from links in the body copy put them back because especially if your color if you're using like the gray text and your links are blue or orange or red or green because the colorblind person are not going to be able to see the links in your copy their visual clue is the underlying now of course you can take it off in the menus and and in buttons but in the body copy underlying those links it really helps use a contrast checker to check your color contrast not just your your basic colors like your logo but every color that you use and don't put important text on top of busy images yeah we all love parallax we do that but it's hard to read and that was one of the big parts of the design that had to change on this website was because they did that a lot the designer did that a lot and you're like I was having trouble reading it so I can imagine somebody who had worse vision than mine or and needed it you just sit there trying to read this white text and on this busy image and let's go on to fonts okay your base font shot size should be easy to read first of all don't use really skinny fonts and really narrow fonts yes I love really light fonts and I love the the compressed ones but they're very difficult to read for the low vision person your base font shot size should be 16 or higher 16 pixels or higher I like 18 now and especially in the menus you really want that definition and easy to read in your menus use m's instead of pixels so it's easily scalable for the person who is using their browser to scale the fonts up and test your your pages using the browser zoom does it if they zoom way up and make the the base font this big is it breaking the design terribly you might have to rethink your design and you can use there's a text there's text scaling plugins there is part one with WP accessibility where you can just kind of up at one size but there's other plugins out there that you can actually just you know go to town on text scaling so just think about your fonts yes there there's some great fonts out there but they're not always going to be easy for the low vision person and headings I talked about this a little bit before one h1 and the structure the other elements in some type of logical order do not skip between levels don't go from h2 to h4 to h3 you've got to do it in a specific order and the website style sheet will do the rest if you have to resize you know one specific h2 tag to something else then you CSS screen don't resize text to give the effect of headings so page builders that's very easy to do oh I'm just using a text editor let me instead of making it an h3 because then it's not the right size I wanted if it's a h3 let me just use the text resize tool in the in the text editor widget no that's not what you do you have to have some type of structure screeners don't understand if you've got something gigantic and it's important that it's what you think is important and many meaningful links screen readers often do not read the link within the context of the rest of the page using the script descriptive text properly explains the context so instead of click here or about us you know read read more you have your little about us on your homepage read more well instead click here to read more about and then the name of the business yes it makes a longer link but it's this person with a screen reader is going to understand that link instead of you know you know learn more about name of business and about us click and then it's a link that's underlined so images when you make images you should all already be adding alt tags even to background images every image should have an alt tag start making every image have an alt tag in description you're psyched well I had this website off to my client and when they add images they're not going to do that they're just going to add the images well that's part of educating the client now that's also saying okay when you're handing the website off and you're doing the the training for your client to take over the website that's an excellent opportunity to bring up the web plant the your website care plans you know you brought it up when the proposal you've brought up okay now when you when you add a new page to your website remember when you change a picture you're going to have to do this and this and this I actually made a little e-book for the staff at the organization that I'm building the website so we thought the best way to teach them is on their organizational level pages is that they add the content following the directions in the little e-book you have to add an alt tag you have to have an image you have to do headings correctly so I kind of covered all this with examples then I made how to videos and put it in the back end of the website so this is how you add content this is how you change content on your website now when you start saying this is how you have to do everything when you change content on your website when you change images when you change this they're going to say well can't you just do that for me well absolutely if you're on a care plan and so now you're getting that recurring income and you're doing it for your client you're making sure the website stays accessible menus here's the big thing you must be able to access sub menus with keyboard navigation now the best way to test this it's almost everything has a demo page especially the premium themes go to the demo and start hitting the tab key because usually they have at least one drop down in their demo and now I can tell you that I had been using beaver builder theme Genesis if you're still in Genesis framework no problem but if it's a third-party three make make sure you test it I was using beaver builder on some small sites rather than setting up Genesis or generate press and I of course went to their documentation oh it's accessible well it was but for some reason right now on the beaver builder theme you hit the tab key and you get to a menu that has a sub menu it is not dropping down the sub menu it is still tabbing through the sub menu but there's no visual clue that that it's happening so I actually started building the website for this organization with beaver builder theme and I had to go back and redo it I switched it over to generate press generate press is excellent Astra is another one that is really good so look for accessible themes and test them and test them often don't just test them at the beginning because like I said the the person I did the audit on he'd written CSS rule that broke that so test test test test test all the way through it and don't forget to test sidebar menus in fact W the ultimate W ultimate beaver add-ons they have a met a menu widget or module it is not accessible I had used that on part of the website and found out that you can't tab through the the sub menus on that one so I reached out to them and say you know this isn't accessible oh yeah we know well are you gonna do anything about it not right now I'm like okay won't be using that one can't use that so that made me go back and test every module I used to make sure it was accessible there's a there's a class built into word into WordPress called screen reader text class so for instance a great way how many people when they do header menus leave off the home button on a header menu because it's right there next to the logo oh you don't need it or I have too many menu items I don't put it in there you can still add it give it a class a screen reader text and so it's still visible visible to the screen reader but not to the regular person so there's a great if you go to the WordPress codex and look that up it explains it if you Google it there's another website that I think this is the one I have here the two links I have here on my slides talk about that and go and read and how do how you can use that class to actually make your menus accessible but still make them the way you want the hierarchy that you'd like to have so themes start with themes that claim that they support it Genesis works great generate press that's a free theme and then they have a an add-on that's a premium which is thirty nine dollars for unlimited sites so that's a huge huge bargain and don't just take their word for it because accessible ready doesn't mean accessible test their demos and then test all the way through every time you do a page test when you write CSS test just hit start hitting that tab button and seeing if that something that you wrote in the CSS menu broke it because I did that and I had to go out go back and change that plugins you have to read the documentation reach out to the developer if you find an issue make sure the form plugins I know a lot of people I use gravity forms but make sure that the if you're using a free form plug in that it is accessible your page builder modules not all of them are so test it and WP accessibility plug-in and that Wally plug-in Wally brings the one of the website testing tools into your website so you can test it along the way it's a great great plug-in and read the documentation and I can't say this you do not wait to the end of the design and development to worry about accessibility you worry about it from day one you start working on the project because by then it's too late you're going to go back and have to do a lot a lot of redo and it's going to end up taking you more time what tools contrast checker I'm going to show you in an example sim Dalton is a Mac app that allows you to test different types of color blindness and you can get that off the app store acts by DQ labs it's a browser add-on wave I'm going to show you that one wave dot web aim dot org it and they also have a Chrome plug-in the Wally plug-in and third-party services now these are you know if you have a client who just wants to throw money at the issue site improve tenant DQ they all have premium services that they come in and make sure your website's accessible and it stays that way my client is actually going to end up using side improve to make sure that they stay that way I'm just the contract worker so I'm not selling a care plan to them and the marketing agent I'm doing that for is not going to do that so they're actually going to be using a third-party service use your use your phone test your phone turn on your tablets accessibility features just remember how to turn them off and screen readers you can download free free screen readers use what's built into your Mac or PC download ones there's paid ones that are very expensive and test I we were very lucky that we actually have a group of volunteers we have low vision people we have and blind people testing every page that we build and we're getting great feedback and one of the things I've learned that screen readers do not all do I there's no standard there's no like every screen reader must do this because we have some screen readers that will only see unordered lists bullet pointed list if it's a bullet but if you use a custom icon they don't see it as it yeah there's some because I had one design where like I had them test it and one screen reader was not seeing it as a as a list and so you know just kind of I can't go back and you did bullet points because we knew that was going to pass and look at WordPress TV if you just Google accessibility on WordPress TV you're going to see a lot of great talks upcoming in May is an iThemes webinar called the Accessibility Summit now it's a paid webinar it's not expensive how is Nathan in here no okay I want to say it's like $67 for a few hours of every going over in depth of everything that I'm talking about here it's May 2nd and search for webinars WP engine put on a webinar back in February on accessibility if you get your emails from your different marketing people that of that you do a lot of people are doing them out they're like there's at least one every week and then follow what WordPress is doing about accessibility because it is it is coming it's going to be mandatory soon so you might as well be at the top curve so I'm going to exit here and kind of show you one tool a couple tools here we put my glasses on so I can see here's how not to do it let's look at ESPN see if we can get well it's not coming up wonderful yeah it's not it's a hundred this is just the homepage and there's actually it's gone down the last time I looked at it was 254 major errors on ESPN.com so they're going to have a lot of work to do down the road to make their website accessible and most of it has to do with the heading issue and you with this is wave.webaim.org you can put in any website here and get the report on it now sometimes a website is very very busy with that so it's easier they have styles no styles and contrast so if we go I'll just go back to this is a competitor to my client and as you can see this is yeah it's like whoa I've never seen with this much markup so it's actually easier to view it with no styles and they did with their report they have zero errors excellent they don't have 28 alerts or alert your things you know look at it see if it needs to be fixed keep in mind that some of them are false positives I found that anything has a parallax background even contrast checkers don't get that right so if it's got a background image even if it's really just very very paint the contrast checkers aren't picking it out so here's your alerts you get here and then you can actually click through and it will you can see the little movement up here of an upper type it's pointing out where it is there's two nearby images have the same alternative text here's six orphan form labels now are they really orphan form labels maybe maybe not so six there are six unlabeled form elements within the title to missing first here's one to missing first level heading so somebody went to an H2 without an H1 so very small text and then then it tells you everything that you're doing right which is encouraging so it's like oh everything but but this one I mean this is a website they just launched this new website just a couple weeks ago and it's doing fairly well in the color contrast they have a lot of issues with very low contrast but they probably had people tested is it really really up going to be an issue because you can't you take this with a grain of salt but use it as a starting point this is the website I'm working on one of the things we're finding like right now we have five errors and when it was multiple form labels and it says broken six kip links but the skip links work fine so really there's and the multiple form labels they have I've checked the code it does have labels so it's false and you look at it at no styles and then the color contrast and the very very low color contrast the issue they're having is with this right here and I'm trying to get them to let me make the images to list a little bit less and a little bit more of an overlay just to pass but you can see the text is all passing I'm triple a passing on the menus and on the text and that to me is the most important and let's see this is probably one of my favorite tools and then you have the contrast checker if you're doing colors when when you're actually designing come back up come to the contrast checker and check to make sure is it going to be enough of a contrast is there going to be enough contrast between this blue and let's say okay and you know this orange is there going to be enough of a contrast it's getting closer to know there's not going to be enough contrast so you can picture colors in there do them a check before you you do the design and with all the different tools between Kim's and here and I have this actually listed out you're going to be able to do your checks along the way your goal is to be double a accessible for all the website that you build from this point forward and you're going to be that that's going to be your new superpower to market your web designs oh by the way we all the websites we build are accessible when we hand them off and you know it's up to you to keep them that way but we're going to we're going to do everything we can to make sure that your websites accessible to everyone all everyone that's out there and make that a big deal it's going to put you ahead of the curb and so I'll take any questions that you have now yes sir no but it all depends on what you put behind it it depends on what the video is is the is the video water ocean wave lapping up on sand and there's the text dark on light yeah it's probably going to pass but the best way is find is to get human testing and you can reach out and see if you can find somebody to test it for you somebody who you know low vision for me one of the great tools I love that that Kim showed yesterday that wasn't where I was the blurring website blurring because without my contacts or glasses my field of vision where I can see clearly is literally this far anything beyond this point which is about six inches from my face is a big blur I would probably get hit by a car if I ever tried to cost the street without glasses because my vision is that bad and so for me if I can if I can kind of see the website sitting in my chair with my iMac here and I can actually navigate the website without my glasses then I think it's I can actually see it and move around so it's those well stay away from that tiny text and just look at it yeah I love the video backgrounds but if it's a moving city at night and it's white text it's probably going to be very difficult for somebody to read and that you know that the flash it could cause seizures exactly that was one thing that that's the first time I've ever really seen that it luckily it was fine mm-hmm but definitely watch what flash is actually you know yeah mm-hmm what she talked about things that do a lot of flashing and and change of color contrast very a very sharp change of color contrast because that even bothers me as far as it you know eventually give you for me it gives me a headache so let me go back to my slides really quickly here and here's how you can reach me if you have any questions and you want to discuss things further my Twitter is mga creative and I'm Melanie MG a creative designs and you can get these slides at my website and I'm sure they'll be sending out a link to all the slides that everybody had this weekend later on so are there any more questions yes sir well I kind of up my rates about every six months so I I learned that from my business coaches you need to reevaluate you should need to raise your prices consistently so what I'm doing is I just kind of automatically raise my rates but it does add extra extra time to a project so you should probably adjust your rates according now of course like any new skill I haven't been doing this you know more than a year so you get faster at it so the first time you know I'm reading I spent a lot of time reading before the project started and watching WordPress TV and reading everything about it before I started the project but when I'm doing it and then I'm testing it and this has been a long process because we you know we do a page we have we send it I send it to the marketing they talked to the the organization the organization has their users test it so it may be like five days a week before I get feedback on something that I've built so it's a time intensive thing but at like any other skill if you're going to get faster at it and once it becomes part of your repertoire you're going to have we most of us that do this for a living we have our go-to themes so we have one or two or three that we stick to so now you're not going to have to look for a theme I know and now you're testing this okay I know that if I do this on a sub menu it may break the accessibility of the tab down so and you'll start testing you'll just start getting you'll be actually start using keyboard navigation a lot more just to test things you know sit down there okay let me test this page before I close it and make sure you can tab all the way from the top a great example I'm going to talk about skip links and I didn't do that so let me talk about the the skip links when you hit the tab key the first time upper left-hand corner skip to content first thing you should look for when you're testing a theme so when they they can actually skip the entire header go straight to the content because if they're in your home page and they've already clicked a link to go to one of your inside pages they don't need to go through that whole menu again so definitely test for that and make sure that it works and so you got you know skip to content when you start hitting the tab and then when you start hitting the tab key now when you get to a header menu does it go through all the sub menus does it does it visually make the submenu drop down the mind goes all the way through the third level menus so then this is generate press theme I'm a big fan of Genesis also but I started using generate press because it's very similar to Genesis and it works great with beaver builder so is there any questions yes ma'am okay yeah I'm like I was going to say what it was and I totally drew a blank Kim can you what what is Aria what is Aria stand for yeah accessible I always get to the accessible rich and then I forget the internet application accessible so some sliders if you use sliders on your website because we all know their clients love those make sure you pick one that that supports that and I know like like soliloqually I know is is one that does so you want to make sure that it passes that any other questions yes sir are there any ways to check check for cognitive accessibility no I have a client he's an older guy I'm gonna make that his cognitive disability yeah he loves to see HTTP HTTPS and I have an issue with it one of our designers hates to see these lakes ran out fully and Bill says I want to know I don't work just have an underlying I want to see the whole thing and that works he's the boss but the guy that we work with constantly is hammering on that yeah well I would do it as a link and put the text you know the link text and not put the whole URL in there but no but that's that's an interesting point I'm actually a good friend of mine is down syndrome young man and in and I'm gonna actually bring him in and see if this the website makes sense because he really loves his wife his iPad so he spends all the time on his iPad and and absolutely loves it surfing the internet so every Sunday at church he shows me what he's found that week on his iPad so so when I see him at church next Sunday I'm gonna actually ask me I said well how do you all ask him about the website and see that's that's an interesting question awesome thank you well there's the financial industries are getting sued now too yeah well the requirements change right now on industry as far as if you know they have any acts any any relationship to the federal government they have to be accessible and that's where the banks and the health care industry are having issues is because you know like my retirement communities out of the 12 two of them don't take Medicare so technically they don't at this point need to be that way because that they don't have any relationship to but it's owned by the organization this whole organization so of course we're just gonna make everything accessible from this point forward so you've got to if you do it now then it's not going to be an issue down the road because it is it is coming and as you can see with the big people getting sued right now it's only a matter before the middle level of businesses started getting sued and then no the mom-and-pop stars stores just like you know the ones that hunt down the stores that are the physical brook and mortar stores that aren't accessible the proof that are coming yeah yeah yeah yes yes no I I I don't like that one at all I used it for about 10 minutes once and I've fixed websites that use Divi but I don't know about it but you could reach out to elegant themes and ask them what they're their accessibility but like anything not not all the modules in Divi just like all not all the modules are going to be easy for the person that's especially low vision I'm finding that building for screen readers is actually easier than building them for the low vision person so that actually takes more work yes the forms that have they have labels you can tab through the form fields not all forms do that I mean back in that I remember several years ago when I first started using gravity forms you actually had to write some code to make it so you could tab through the form fields so since most of the free forms you you know things that's the first thing throw it throw a contact form on the page hit that can you tab through the form fields can you tab through and hit enter and submit the the form without ever clicking on it yeah yeah yeah okay thank you very much