 Hey there and welcome to the fedora podcast episode number 23 I am your host Eric the IT guy Hendricks and joining me for the first time ever. I do believe is Joseph Joseph you want to introduce yourself? Hello, my name is Joseph. I also I'm one of our volunteer contributors in the Fedora project Primarily involved in the marketing team, but you'll find my opinions all over the place I'm just just happy to be here and excited for your open source. Awesome. Yeah, glad to have you It's been a while. I mean, let's let's just you know, let's just kind of put that out there right now It's it's been a bit since since the fedora podcast had had released a new episode Yes It has it has but I'm happy that Through through your interest and through the interest of the community. It seems like we're Maybe getting something off the ground. It's very exciting and a lot of folks are excited about fedora So I think having something like a podcast would be a good a good opportunity to get folks inside on like hey We this is what's going on and but also will be chill because you know, this isn't a press release or nothing So, right for sure. But yeah, I maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment. So So for those of you that don't know me I am Eric the IT guy Hendricks I am currently in my day job. I'm a technical marketing manager for red hat enterprise Linux Which is kind of the which is not kind of it is the downstream for for Dora I've been interested in in fedora Linux my gosh since 2005 often on Maybe 2006 we'll call it 2006. So I've done all the things from sent to us to Fedora to Ubuntu to rel to I I Spent a lot of years as a systems administrator Probably close to a decade before I got hired on it at a company called git lab as a solutions architect so I did a lot of sales work and I moved over to red hat a little over a year later I was a solutions architect and telecommunications there and then came to red had a few years or I'm sorry I came into marketing just shy of two years ago Really found my passion really found my love of content creation. So blogs and Presenting at conferences and then I really found my stride hosting live streams so when when I was when I was When I was looking around for you know, what's going on with the door because I run fedora on on the desktop Laptop specifically and then rel as a server is like what what's going on? How what's the community look like really wanted to get involved and It's like, you know, I hadn't hadn't seen anything out of the Fedora podcast Perfect, let's do it and there's there's tickets that have been open about let's start this on YouTube It's like I know how to do that. Let's do that. So For those of you that are watching us live. Thank you so much. Please please please put your questions and comments into chat Love to engage with all of you And then for those of you that are joining us after the fact so glad you're with us and And fear not we are going to continue with the audio stream as well I've got Gonna try and figure out how to get that automated, but we'll try and get that posted by morning, but Yeah, we just we just want to kind of kick things off warm up the Warm up the old pod podcast pipes as it were We actually had a different topic planned for today. So To be fair Show us some grace because we threw this together in what about 40 minutes back and forth over chat Yes, it was a little impromptu For those of you who may have noticed I am not in fact Matthew Miller Could have fooled me No, I do not have the charisma of our fearless leader No, but but yes, we we did we didn't want to get something out because I know folks are excited about the podcast So we wanted to at least do something and set the tone and get things going So very grateful for Eric for for pivoting as he as he did Yeah, you know Matthew Matthew couldn't be with us today got pulled off into not one but multiple different directions So our thoughts go to go with Matthew It's he's a as he's working a crazy busy schedule today I saw his calendar and I will probably have nightmares for weeks. So But we are hoping to have Matthew on in two weeks, which probably a good point good chance to say that hey Well, we're going to try and be live every Tuesday afternoon Seems like a good chance people have kind of got their work weeks off to a start so just kind of feel like At least for you know, it's about four o'clock here central time kind of wrap up the day Talk about Fedora, but I saw in the chat before the the episode kicked off that we've got people that it's it's tenant It's 10 p.m. There. So so yeah, thank you all for joining us live really excited but So I see there's already Some some questions in the chat. Let me let me pop one up here that I wanted to address So Joshua asked what is my what what is what is our favorite feature or new thing at Fedora 38? I Got to tell you I can't tell you for another two weeks because we will have an episode on Fedora Linux 38 We'll talk about server. We'll talk about workstation. We'll talk to Matthew about what's coming up in the future of Wow, I'm gonna have to watch that. I almost so I Guess I guess in a way the future of Fedora is So Goodness but why don't why don't we tackle some news here and We'll talk about some things that are upcoming and talk a little bit more about the future of the podcast Probably be a short episode today unless less Conan Kudo kicks off a flame more in the chat, which he's known to do Love you Conan. Thanks. Thanks for coming. But you gotta admit that's that's kind of what happens So first up some news We already hinted at this Our next episode will be around a little thing we like to call the release of Fedora Linux 38 So there are a couple of new spins. There's some amazing improvements and GNOME in in the form of GNOME 44 so Lots to talk about there, but if you haven't yet go out check the check the check the downloads page and And and get the get the new bits get the new ISOs. I've been running Fedora Linux 38 GNOME edition probably since I'm about a month before release or so and I I gotta say it. It's been running great. It looks beautiful There's there's been a lot of UI improvements that that look amazing You know just just some spit and polish work We'll get into more of that in a couple of weeks, but Joseph Why don't you tell me is there is anything about Fedora Linux 38 you're excited about? I? Think that as many Fedora releases have been lately It's been lovingly called the boring update And I do think to your point about them spit and polish it is very much a An update where you're gonna get the stability that you've come to expect from Fedora But you're gonna get a lot of tweaks and updates and what have you like a GNOME 44 for example but I am also excited about the new spins which Josh did mention in the chat with with budgie and sway and the third one which I Have trouble pronouncing. I think it's cericia the immutable immutable sway So I'm very excited about those things in general my personal favorite is Not related to the ISO. It's related to the website because it's a new website and I'm very excited about it It looks so pretty And very accessible and brings a lot of things up Up to the front that weren't there before so those are that's my favorite thing about Fedora 38 really is the website Yeah, in fact, that's that was gonna you transition that beautifully for someone who who Was going to co-host with me as of like 15 minutes ago Yeah, that's that new website looks gorgeous And it's it's continuing to improve that's been what a year's worth of of a labor of love there Yes, it's been I don't know exactly, but I do think it's been maybe a year a little over a year They've been working hard of getting a lot of feedback in Fedora discussion, which is the the discourse forum that we have for the community And it's so great to see it all put together at the end and folks are using it complimenting it a ton two years Wow, yeah, so that's been something that's been in the works for a long time and it seems like very well received So I'm happy for it In fact, we'll be talking to the Fedora Project team that's been working on the updates here in probably about a month probably two episodes away Actually, I take that back So here's here's what we're looking at As you can tell I'm very scattered more than usual So, you know bear with us but Here in two weeks we'll talk to Matthew Miller and talk about Fedora Linux 38 and the what we can expect from the upcoming releases and Then in two weeks after that is actually a little thing called Red Hat Summit There'll be several thousands of my closest friends hanging out doing labs and giving presentations and Hopefully sharing some drinks and some late-night dinners I mean, that's that's why I do conferences not for the conference, but for the for the after that You know, there's there's people in my network There's people that I talked to on a on a regular basis that I wouldn't have known otherwise except for Except for having hung out at conferences and swapped horror stories at two in the morning When you all have when you when you've got a presentation to give at 9 a.m. The next day, but you know So I will be at summit I'm going to try and figure out if there's a way we can do an episode of the Fedora podcast live from summit We're good. I'm I'm also trying to do that with red hat enterprise Linux presents one of the other shows that I host We'll see what happens. So that episode will be a will is kind of up in the air right now. We'll we'll see if Excuse me, we'll see if we can if we can manage it Excuse me So probably if if not that week the next episode so sometimes soon. How about that sometimes? Yes, there we go That's my favorite is is under-promising and over-delivering So soon we'll talk about the we'll talk about the new the new website What all went into it some of the plans for upcoming things because I know one of the one of the motivations to refresh the the website footprint was to better enable Like interconnectivity between some of the different projects and provide some plug-ins and whatnot that There's a podcast studio sorry, I Saw a shiny and I had to had to point that out. So maybe we'll be live from the red hat office So, yeah, that is just a few weeks It's just a few blocks down from from the conference center. So maybe we'll we'll be live there I also have responsibilities as the red hat enterprise Linux booth. So we'll we'll see how all that pans out, but If if you if you haven't yet go out and register for summit, I believe virtual attendance. I Believe there's still a virtual attendant virtual attendee Pass There should be yeah, I mean, it's a hybrid event. Why wouldn't it be? This is what happens when we do do shows off the cuff But yes But hey, we I knew that was next in the agenda apparently because we were talking about upcoming events in fact the next one to talk about are Some elections are open right now. So after every release there is an opening for Fedora elections So Joseph you want to talk a little bit about that? Sure. So This is actually something as I was learning more about how Fedora works and governance would have you I was Very like presently surprised to learn that we have elections So part of our governance is especially for some of our most important or really our top three most important decision-making bodies Have elections after a release comes out So I will have a link maybe in the show notes or maybe somewhere else I'm not sure but the the three main bodies are the Fedora council Which kind of is the main one where a lot of high-level decisions are made then on the technical side You have Fesco, which is the Fedora engineering steering committee and then on the other side you have the mind-share committee So it looks to be four seats that are open a for Fesco one seat open for Fedora council And one seat open for mind-share As of right now we're kind of in a nomination period So this is where if you are someone who who may be interested in you know someone to be a great fit for for one of those decision-making bodies or You yourself may be interested. This would be your opportunity to to to nominate yourself or nominate someone else Then the next step will be an interview that happens in a private pager ticket There's more detail in the link that we'll share But basically you'll have like a bit of an interview and then the actual election will be where your interview questions and answers will Be displayed so that everyone can can go and vote to fill those positions. So Really, it's a it's a cool thing that Fedora. Let me get back to you guys It's a cool thing that Fedora has I think it's very valuable and it's a big part of Fedora being a community oriented distro and not just something where decisions are made from the top and everyone else has to So please participate in that learn more about it. There's documentation about it and there's information about the Fedora 38 Election specifically that you can find Yeah, and that that link will definitely be in the show notes In fact, there's a good chance to mention that I'm all about those show notes So usually a few hours after the episode If not by the next day, we'll have chapter markers links to The social media handles any any blogs or any articles that we we post links to are mentioned in the show We'll end up in the show notes So between chapter markers being able to jump around and say what what what was Joseph talking about with elections What was that again? You'd be able to jump right to that point And that should be true for our video or our audio audience So really excited that that we have that functionality should be easy to to move between the two So if you haven't yet go ahead and like this episode and and share with a friend Make sure to hit subscribe if you haven't already because we are planning on doing so much more And you know what not to pat ourselves on the back Joseph, but uh, you know, we're 16 minutes in it's It's not too bad. It's a little shaky But we we put the episode guide together in less than 40 minutes over over chat So I think we're doing all right. Yeah, we're doing all right The rocket ship is taking off and and we're we're going somewhere Not sure where So also coming up Um, a lot of love for fedora, man. I love it. I love it. There's so much so much love in the chat I'm I'm excited about it. Um, in fact, this is that's kind of why I volunteered to do this Um Not many people know but before I moved to the marketing team for red-headed price Lennox I hosted a show called the pseudo show Um that I launched with a friend of mine brandon johnson Uh, and he and I kicked off the the pseudo show and I was there for a couple of years Is is one of the hosts and and one of the founders and 40 some odd episodes, but uh, we didn't we never did a live episode. So, uh, It's kind of fun to be back in the community Um, I kind of had to step away from a lot of community work there for a year or two Moving into the real be you There is there's so many projects and and one of the things I got to do was kick off the social media presence and kick off the The live streaming live streaming presence that the red-headed price Lennox now gets to enjoy with with not one but two shows So we've got real presents and into the terminal And we'll we'll probably talk a little bit about rel at some point and and how fedora impacts that because Uh The fedora community is awesome fedora linux is an amazing platform Uh, but it also does so much more downstream from sento s stream to rel And sure I bring a lot of a lot of server background, but And I've been a been a desktop user for a while and and I I've gotten lazy. I'll admit I've gotten lazy I've I've kind of swung back towards using proprietary tools Um, I I know I know But I'm I'm I'm here to can I'm here to confess my sins I'm here to uh to make restitution and start moving things back to to open source I just upgraded the storage and my in my server downstairs So I got room for things like c file or next cloud or you know something. I'm so I'm working on it. I'm working on it It's all good, but I'm happy to say that this show is coming to you live from fedora workstation Um fedora workstation 38 so Um, there you go. And and yeah And I'm sorry if I butcher your name, uh, but marin marin duffy has uh helped us with the With a lot of the the graphics that we're we're using we've got plans for more, but uh, yeah Her and our team did an amazing job putting these together. Um, so so yeah, thank you very much inkscape and automation was amazing to to have Have that have have that in progress Um, I don't know if anybody noticed but the background in the video is actually the fedora linux 38 background. So Yes, which is so pretty and I love it so much. It's been um One of the common things to get talked about despite the the the successfully boring release of fedora 38 Is the wallpaper of folks have been loving the wallpapers lately And I think that this one, um hits it out of the park is all the light theme and the dark theme It's a small thing, but it's nice and and especially with with with a workstation be with workstation Being such a and out of the way and minimal distro with gnom. Um, it's nice to have a Really pretty wallpaper that can be the identity for that release Well, it's a design team for that. It's become a really staple people are always excited More than the more than the bits that are going into it. It's like What is the new wallpaper? What what's the theme? What are we doing? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I gotta know gotta know that wallpaper Yes, and I believe this was by I think it was mad Madeline peg who designed this so I think so her she she did um the last one as well and she's been Doing a great job. So thank you guys And speaking of releases, um, I feel like I feel like a release should have a party to go with it Um, yes, it should it's so it's just an exciting thing to have a release. So um, I'm not sure how long this has been going on, but fedora would uh Typically will do like a virtual release party whenever a new release comes out Um, I'm not sure how much the timeline is very but I did just want to Mention that as something to look out for if you're like, hey, I just got into fedora or I have never contributed But I'd like to contribute maybe in the future Um, keep an eye out for the release parties from those when that one comes around I think right now it's looking like it'll be in june for fedora 38 Um, but that's a great opportunity to meet other contributors to learn what's going on Um, there's a lot of status updates from different teams and fedora will be presented then Uh, and also there's some opportunities for socials and whatnot. So that's how I got connected I I was using um another distro that I will not name and I decided to switch over to fedora Windows they have I decided to switch over to fedora. Um, they had the release party for fedora 36 And from there when they were talking about how ways you can contribute and what have you That's what what got me connected. So just I just wanted to say I have no other details None other but there should be one in june So keep an ear out or or or be watching our socials and we should be posting about when we have more details Definitely. Yeah, and if you haven't already we have a presence on mastodon as well as um twitter The other one. Um, we do have also uh, instagram facebook and linkedin but Yes tbd on those I think primarily if you if you pay attention to mastodon and the light blue rival then Uh You should be up to date At least their logo is not the same color as ours. I mean, there's that Is it I I guess yeah ours is is different enough It's just just a little different there. I think there's this a little lighter Yeah, it might be but push them Let's see. All right. Uh, so release party details to come um something that uh If if someone has, you know, about a thousand dollars that they're not using I would love to attend the next event on our radar and that is flock to fedora I think this is the first one since covet I think it is. Yeah So if you're unfamiliar flock is a contributor conference for fedora for the entire community So it's it's few days of of talks and socials and and hangouts Um That will be uh on august 1st through the 5th Um, and and yeah, I'm I'm so glad that we've we've got uh fedora experts in in the audience today Thank you so much for for passing that along but uh, yeah first one since covet But august 1st through the 5th in cork ireland So if anyone wants to you know, bring me along if if you just have you know A thousand dollars just sitting around that you're not using I'd I'd love to go Um So there there's still details forming around this In fact, one of the one of the one of the things that we've been doing over the past few years Is what what has been affectionately come to be known as nest with fedora? So, you know flock everybody goes to a place nest everybody kind of hangs out at at home and they're and they're uh In their footed pajamas and and kind of has a virtual version of of the contributor conference So nest has been going on for a few for a few years and that's when I started to get to know some of the folks in uh in the community Beyond just those that I have contact with uh through through red hat, but uh flock is back Um, there's there's still talks going on last I heard about whether it's going to be hybrid Or whether uh, there'll be a separate nest event later Joseph, I don't know maybe if you have any additional details around that last I heard all that was still up in the air Yeah, there there isn't I don't think there's too many concrete details right now Uh, but they did want to get the uh notice out about it being like to save the date right for for august 1st to the 5th In quirk ireland because that's you know, if you want to have that lead time More details to come for sure So lot lot of commit to commit today. I like it I So one of the questions I get asked often and uh, one of the questions that I've asked myself is how do you get involved with fedora? It's a question that uh, that seems to be repeated often But it's one that I feel needs to be repeated often because people look at how pristine and how well fedora works whether that's uh on the server in the cloud or on the work station and You know fedora works and it works really well and it looks good. Well, whether you're running kde Or gnome It just it works well So people just assume that there must be thousands of people that do nothing but fedora Well, that's that's not even anywhere close to true. And so admittedly I don't have a great answer for this I just kind of stumbled into this thing about. Hey, there's a fedora podcast. We should bring that back Okay, cool. Why don't you do that? um Okay Yes I guess I'll I guess I'll host a podcast and hopefully there's people that are crazy enough like joseph to to jump on here with me and And and host with me, but uh, you know, we'll we'll figure this out an episode at a time So maybe joseph tell us a little bit about how you got involved with with fedora here sure, so um I already gave a little bit of that story with um having joined through a release party Which is very helpful. Um just because that's uh That's kind of one of the points is to to make a fedora accessible um for for me personally, I had learned about free and open source software. I want to say in I guess end of 2021 and so once I realized how accessible it was then I Hey, I had someone talk to me about linux. I'm like, oh wow linux I'd heard about it from like years ago, but I was nowhere near, you know Able to to potentially install that They ran it by me again, and I saw how much you could do in linux At the time and I thought wow, is this something that I could try Up to give context. I I don't have a technical background like I I don't work in it. I don't do anything like that Um, I got a degree in marketing and I worked as like like with excel and stuff So it's not like my my second my biggest technical achievement up to this point is installing linux on a computer So I'm still very proud of But I did think I like this. I really want to see, you know more folks talking about it because I think it can bring so much benefit Um, I'm gonna go off on that. I know I think we all have our reasons for for why we really believe free and open source so I knew I wanted to do something and in the release party they mentioned Even if you are like a non-technical person, there are opportunities for you Um, and so I thought hey, I know some marketing stuff from school They're saying there should be opportunities and I just started looking around in the um in the fedora Project in the community Where are those conversations happening and what have you which I guess I could I could break down a little bit more But broadly speaking it was I was I had an idea of what I wanted to do and I started looking for a team Or or people or someone who could like point me in the direction of this is where you can do that thing Oh those marketing people I can make that statement because I am one by day, so But yeah, I mean that's that's awesome. I mean I came at the I came at the open source community through uh through a technical background Um It took me years into my career before I realized that open source was not just a license. It was It's it's an actual thing. It's a community and it's is driving technology. I mean linux has dominated um The the industry for for years now You know people ask about about the os wars. It's like yeah Linux kind of won But it it's so pervasive now that it's like well, well, of course linux won it It was there any was there ever any question? Well, yeah, there was I remember a day when when you go to To run something that's open source and they're like well all the codes out there So everyone can get it your stuff. It's like well, yeah, but Everyone that has has a coding background can see it too and can help fix those problems, you know, it's just and So I got involved with uh, I got involved listening to podcasts and watching videos from from different places that talked about linux talked about open source and I had a I had a guy Named his name is uh, noah chile. He hosts the ask noah show And he he heard me present once and was like you you really have um I think he said that I really have a face for radio um or a face for podcasting these days, but You know that aside he said, you know, you're you're personable. You should you should get involved And so I've I've been involved more with marketing and open source before I was ever Someone who is in marketing You know, I thought I'd be a career-long sys admin I swear I'd never work in sales. I did that. It's where I would never be a marketer I did that I swear. I'd never talk in front of people and now one of the biggest things I miss is Is actually going out and going to conferences giving talks and then hanging out afterwards just getting to know people So I love that connection. I love the community building and so to be honest, I'm getting I'm getting involved with You know getting involved with fedora podcast getting involved with the fedora community So to be honest if you're in the audience and you don't know how to get involved with fedora If you don't know how to how to get connected You know join the club because I'm I'm learning how to do this I'm learning how to do this as As as I go, you know, there's there's certain things that the community is involved in there's certain things that That are traditions around fedora that I'm learning about as we go And I'm I'm learning how to work with the community as needs come up. It's like, hey It'd be really nice if we had like an episode banner Who do I talk to about that and then it's like, okay, go meet these go meet this team introduce myself say hi I'm eric. I'm doing a thing. I need your help Yes, and after about the 57th question. I told joseph Over matrix. I was like, I swear. I am not a diva. I am not difficult to work with there's just a lot of moving parts and I need help So publicly and on air. Thank you for all your help getting us to this point really appreciate it No, no, thank you. I appreciate, uh, you know, you taking interest because I know you had the The the skills and the passion to to get this off the ground. So I wanted to make sure like whatever you needed And I think that's that may be a normal experience for some where you do kind of have this onboarding season of You you're jumping in but there's a lot to learn. So how do you get comfortable with that? all right, I think that there's I guess Two sides to that where when you jump into the fedora project it can feel like things are are a little bit spread out So that can be What's the word? not disillusionment, but um It can be maybe frustrating Yeah, like you join and you're not sure how you can get started You're not sure where the teams are things are seem a little bit spread out. So I did want to mention my my my uh You contributor pro tip If I can call it that which is And if you're interested in joining a team or something, um, just find where those folks are talking Whatever it is that you're interested in Whether it be in in marketing or in design or in like the release engineering or a specific spin You know features high level decisions, uh the the five-year plan that's getting discussed now The goal that you should have is find where those conversations are happening. Um, and we can help you get there I didn't have this link prep, but I can I'll make a note to to share this but there's a an introduction Let me write it down introduction thread in the fedora In our in fedora discussion our forum Where that's a great place to just chime in and say hey, I'm new here, but I'm interested in contributing Either this this is what I'm into or these are the skills that I have. What's a good fit for me? Um, another place where you could be looking for for where teams are are talking is the matrix channels Which are also bridged to irc So if um if for whatever reason, maybe you're not seeing in the discourse a tag for that team You can try looking at the matrix. See there's a team talking there And also if you're I mean, I'm I'm biased So I know this is more of a blind spot for me that I'm trying to resolve But really most of the tactical teams right now are talking still in hyperkitty, which is the mailing lists So you want to jump over there? There's the develop mailing this another mailing lists Where where those conversations on on technical aspects of the distro are being discussed But if you can find that then that's really once you find where they're at then you say, hey, I'm here How can I help and and they can point you in the right direction? But if you don't know where that is then just just go to the introduction thread Which we'll have in the show notes and just say help me and and someone will help you we literally have The join SIG which which SIG stands for special interest group It's a team all dedicated to helping someone who who's new but interested in contributing again getting them connected to to the team so It can feel a little bit like oh man. I don't know where things are at. I got to get acclimated but If you just find the the team that you're going to contribute with Things should be much smoother from there Yeah, and and don't just don't assume that what you're wanting to do is is well staffed Um, I know the design team could always use more people with with fresh ideas and different styles I know the marketing team is is looking for people that can help with social Podcast I I heard there's new fedora podcast that is spun up and The host is a little off. I don't I don't know about him, but I think the host is I'm very excited for the host But so so the last thing on our on our agenda was was kind of a vision for the refresh podcast And one thing I do want to do is make sure that this honor this this show honors the uh, the episodes that came before it You might have noticed we're kind of going away from a season-based approach You know fedora never sleeps and there's six months There's a six month cadence for releases and there's just so much to talk about so many people to talk to So we're going to try a bi-weekly cadence. Um, so we're going to try every other week to uh to have an episode My expectation is that those will all be live. There may be some situations where they're not perhaps like If i'm interviewing someone on the opposite side of the globe They may not want to be talking about their thing at three in the morning So we may like pre-record the the interview But for the most part my my hope is to have a live event for all of us to hang out and chat My hope is to have a a big live audience Because I enjoy engaging with folks in the chat It's usually people like honan kudo making fun of me, but uh, you know, it's it's all good because I get him back He he deals with my engine x configuration questions at all hours of the day and night. So, you know, all's fair and open source. I think but So I I do want to start out a little bit Just kind of getting getting all of us acclimated to the to the new format obviously video and audio and But something that I'd like to do is kind of a kind of a new to new to fedora A new to fedora story arc Where we talk about The things that we we assume, you know, but we're going to tell you how to do just in case So like what are the different? What are all the different? What are all the different platforms? From the discussion forum to matrix to The new web web properties And in fact, he must have known I was getting ready to To to mention him, but my hope is to have uh, Grayson and edward Back on to to co-host alongside me from time to time they did an amazing job and Really just want to honor what it is that they were doing and and kind of continue down that path of of Of doing interviews talking about people not just not just the technology Not just the bits but talking about the people talking about the community and And making this a generally positive place to come and spend time Yes, for sure, I think that it's going to be I really like that idea of having it Kind of walk through if you're someone who's never considered but it contributed before Either to fedora maybe open source in general This can be a resource for you to to help you get acclimated on like okay Well, what is what it what goes in discourse and what goes in matrix and where are the docs and and also bigger things like like how does the governance work and decision making and and aspects of the fedora projects culture because I think that's something that maybe folks don't realize exactly how community oriented fedora Really is it's not like other open source projects Where where it may be more just one person deciding what's going to be the case and it's open source So if you don't like it just just fork it and move on Fedora really tries to to make decisions together our foundations the four foundations Are are a very big part of of how we try to drive the the culture And so we hope that you can plug into those and that those are helpful for you and to you as you Hang out in the fedora community Definitely so and I heard a plus one to the introduction to fedora arc So we'll we'll get that on the on the agenda here But I think that'd be a good place not only for our audience, but also for this guy so that I can help others get on boarded so But with that said that kind of brings us to the end of the that brings us to the end of our episode guide That that we put together in literally 40 minutes. So thank you joseph for for jumping in such short notice um But yeah, we'll we'll we'll have conversations about releases about the different The different spins the different sigs The different properties like fedora magazine got a shout out in the chat just a bit ago So plenty of things to talk about and would love To to talk about all of it. So we'll we'll go from there and uh Any any any questions or anything you want to you want to surface joseph? I'm just very excited. I'm I'm excited for everyone who's joined us live I'm excited for for for you and the vision of the podcast and for For for grace in a net award if they get a chance to to be able to co-host as well I just think that there's just the fedora podcast can can help in In in surfacing a lot of like the nitty-gritty details that get lost and docs that you don't know where they are And what have you yeah, so I think it's going to help a lot of folks out And I'm just excited to see it started. You've done a great job so far. Everything looks so slick. It's amazing I love it. So so thank you and I'm excited for for the podcast Well and and something we didn't mention is we'll be able to do like live demos and walkthroughs do a little bit of teaching as well Because now we have this video aspect. So I'm I'm looking forward to that Yeah, that's cool, too. I'm very excited I'm excited for all the interviews as well all the all the different Perspectives and now you could ask people like why is fedora doing this or why is it this way? Here will be a way that you can ask And we'll be able to tell you it's for very reasonable reasons Right. Yeah, and we we got a comment in chat about would love to see this every week I would too. Unfortunately fedora is my passion and not my day job But if someone would like to make it my day job, I'd you know, let's have that conversation But you know fedora being a community effort. I think I think every two weeks is about the best we can do for now But hey if if we get like a if we can get a rotation of hosts So that you know if we could get three or four hosts that could that could all feel just as comfortable kind of sitting in this in the seat metaphorically speaking Maybe we could go to a weekly cadence, but but for now Probably be every other week every we're leaning towards every other tuesday afternoon us time, but But open to trying out new things, but for now I think that's what we've got Um, and I just heard my kids come rushing in so That's probably a good place to wrap this episode. Sounds good But I I want to thank you all for joining us. Thank you for joining us live Thank you for watching after the fact really appreciate the attention really appreciate the the support of the fedora community the The marketing and design teams in particular Um, and on behalf of joseph my my co-host for the day and the entire fedora community Thank you so much and we will see you again in two weeks See you