 we speak. The road is an active scene as in fear that Hamas terrorists are still roaming around. What is happening now? Yes, Ellie. It is a completely active scene. In fact, within the past one minute, we've heard actual helicopters overhead firing from their helicopters as well as two flares lighting up this field behind me to try and give these Israeli troops more light because it's dark out here. It's nightfall. And so as nightfalls, becoming more and more difficult to find and locate all of the terrorists to have infiltrated this area here in the south here in stay wrote. So we do know that Israeli troops are actively looking for other citizens. In fact, some of these armored vehicles are driving past right in front of my eye line right now. So armored vehicles continue to patrol the area, even taking their time to stop as they see some cars parked on the side of the road. They want to make sure that we are not either some of those citizens or some of those terrorists or citizens that are in harm's way as well. So very much an active Israeli presence out here. As I said, we continue to see different things and I continue to hear gunshots in the distance as well. And so we are hearing that exchange of gunfire between Israeli forces and active terrorists. So everyone who is in the southern cities, especially in stay wrote right now, they are urged to stay inside their homes, lock their doors, stay in their mammoth, their bombs shelter because there are active gunman terrorists patrolling these streets. And it is very, very dangerous for any citizens to be outside right now. In fact, I'm gonna turn our pan our camera a little bit towards the road right now just so you can see some of these armored vehicles that are now passing on the road. I know it's dark out. It's difficult. But we do. You can see there's a very much a heavy, heavy military presence here trolling the area trying to see exactly what's happening. So that's why we are continuing to see. Oh, I'm gonna pan our camera over here once more, Ellie, because you can see one of those flares that I mentioned earlier. So this is the third flair lighting up this exact area within the past three minutes, maybe so over this field right now, they're trying to gain a little bit more light to see exactly what's happening in the area. So definitely an active search right now. And for any citizens who are in the area, please do stay inside. No one should be on the roads right now because as you can see a very, very active scene out here, not on the road and not anywhere outside your your bomb shelter really lock down the doors and simply do not open. Um, it cannot be any clearer than that. And this is unfortunately the situation elsewhere down south as well. Nicole said take care, stay safe and we'll get back to you later on in the broadcast and active scene. It's the lot the nightfall not making it easier. Um, an IDF forces to locate all the Hamas terrorists that are still in Israeli territory down south, not just in Sirot. So to try and get a better understanding of the current set of affairs and the current challenges joining us now in studio or failure, show me former senior intelligence officer at the IDF Mr. Shalmi. Thank you so very much for joining us. So nightfall is making the the specific task. What was defined as stage one of this work clearing Israeli territory of Hamas terrorists. It is making it even more difficult as in we will enter a third day of war without knowing that the entire the entirety of Israel, Israel south is cleared from from terrorists. Yes, unfortunately, we haven't cleaned the south of Israel from the terrorist threat yet. First of all, we have to find out whoever is still roaming around. But also we fear there might be more infiltrations coming from Gaza. Fresh ones. Fresh ones because of the success and they have enjoyed so far. And of course, at night, it's also easier for them. It seems strange with all the technology that exists today, the sensors, the thermal imaging, and knows what they're still an advantage for a lone person or two or three persons to move around in an open air area at night. On the other hand, the night gives also the idea of superiority. We have night vision. Tonight's the strikes that we are going to perpetrate over Gaza will be easier for us. There is less like pollution, light pollution, noise pollution, movement pollution to strike targets in Gaza to strike surgically air strikes. Yes. So night can be an advantage for either of the signs. As I said, the real problem now sooner or later, we'll manage to find out whoever is still roaming around hoping they will not encounter an Israeli citizen, of course. But the main threat is more infiltrations, like like a copycat in a way, not only from Hamas, but from other factions and even from the border. Fence is still open. The border fence was a joke from the start. They was relying too much on concrete and technology and not enough on human cleverness and instinct and vigilance. I used to say that in the beginning, and I'm not an expert, so I didn't insist because I thought maybe they know better. Apparently they don't. But also you have to understand that this fence is not in a proper state of maintenance, and there are many holes in it. And some of the fence is not concrete at all. It's just barbed wire that you can cut with with a cutter. So and in the battle between a fence and and and determination, we see what's the result. Mr. Ushami, obviously, we will unpack much more of the current unfolding security situation. But as we speak, thousands of Israelis still have no idea what is the what is the status of the so many missing people, many of them abducted in the Gaza Strip as we speak. And we want to turn now to Maria Vernikov-Golden, the sister of Corrine Vernikov, who was at this rave party that's only this past hour. We we're learning the scope and scale of the massacre there. Corrine still missing. Maria, like, thank you so very much for speaking with us this evening. The mind cannot comprehend what you're going through. When was the last time you've heard from Corrine? What do you know at this point in time? Today in the morning. Yeah, we're Maria, we're having some technical difficulties hearing you properly. And we want to hear every single word, of course, that we will try to fix that and get back to you as soon as we can. Mr. Ushami, if the situation was not complicated already, the number, the large numbers of Israelis kidnapped, we're talking civilians, we're talking elderly, we're talking women, we're talking children. Being held captive in the Gaza Strip is making everything more complicated, even in the sense of Israel's strategy vis-à-vis the Gaza Strip, because simply if there are so many Israelis there, the operations underground would look very different. First of all, these people are the priority, even though there's a final objective to dismantle the Hamas in the end. The Hamas can be dismantled tomorrow and it can be dismantled next month or next year. We've been waiting 20 years to dismantle the Hamas. The Gaza Strip is not going anywhere. Not going anywhere. So it can wait, I should say, but we still have to strike and to make a point and show our determination. This being said, the priority is to try and save these people. Of course, it's super difficult. First of all, simply because they are disseminated in different locations by one, two or three, but they could be anywhere in Gaza. And you're talking like maybe 50 to 100 locations that we would have to find out to discover somewhere underground, very well hidden, and then to reach and then to manage to liberate the hostages without them being hurt. I mean, your talking mission impossible. It has happened. We've had. But we need to be clear. Any I would even dare to say any fantasies on on a heroic operation like in the movies where where you go in and really and bring back the abducted. This is not the scenario we're talking about these people, the civilians can come back home only if they will be released. So negotiations in some sort of capacity is mandatory. First of all, there is that few things. And the first is, of course, the diplomatic channels and international pressure. So right now, the Egyptians are trying to convince Hamas leaders to make humanitarian gesture concerning children and elderly. They're telling them, keep the others. But at least these ones now unconditionally, please on a humanitarian ground, give them up. That's the efforts that the Egyptians are now trying to accomplish. Then there is some international pressure that could work if Arabic countries or Muslim countries join in, such as Turkey, such as the Emirates to put some kind of pressure. So we have to try these diplomatic channels without much hope because the Hamas is holding on such a treasure that it can exploit and capitalize upon. That's OK. So that's that's one. The other is might still be to force the Hamas to free them. We could reverse the situation and be the ones who hold the cards by, for instance, I'm afraid to go back to the Middle Ages, but we just spoke of a wall that was also not very modern. So back to the Middle Ages, when personality was held hostage in a castle, the castle was besieged and the inhabitants, inhabitants of the castle were starved until they would surrender the hostage. So we might have to resort to strangling Gaza, to starve Gaza and say when you get water and you get food and you get electricity when you give our hostages back. Mr. Oshami, I want us to stress this clearly because even for us who are well familiar with how this neighborhood works, it might be striking to realize the Gaza Strip, Hamas terrorists are receiving power from Israel, electricity, that is, they're receiving money through Israeli Israel facilitating that. Guess not to speak about concrete and all those other infrastructure materials that were brought in. They're really hijacking it, right? And we take it in their pockets because this power, this merchandises, the work permits that bring money into Gaza, all this is addressed by Israel to the Palestinian people. No, no, but I'm talking about this point in time, Mr. Oshami, not about normal times if there were any. At this point in time, isn't there, shouldn't be an option to cut all this supply to the Strip if you're talking about strangling it? Yes, of course, but then we would lose a few things for intelligence, because if we cut communications and electricity, it will be harder for us to detect the movements and exchanges of information between Hamas people. So, so long as they have power and so long they have network, we can hope to catch their messages between them. We can hope to see them switch a light on and switch a light off so they're at home or they're not at home if we want to target the elimination. So it's not so sure that a complete blackout would serve our purposes. So I'm again trying to ask you the questions that many Israelis are asking themselves to know how come and you are explaining the complexity of any decision that is being made at this point in time. When we're talking about Israel again facing or beginning its counterattack vis-a-vis Hamas. And Mr. Oshami, you're staying with us because we want to reconnect to Maria Vernikov Golden over the phone. Sister of Karin Vernikov who was at this rave party turned massacre. No other way to put it. Karin is still missing. Maria, thank you once again for speaking with us. When was the last time you've heard from Karin? What do you know? Yes, sure. Thank you for speaking with me. My sister Karin is missing from yesterday morning. The last time that we spoke was over seven o'clock in the morning yesterday. She told us that she's on the way home and she managed to run away from this party. But the last time that when the last thing that we know that she came to aluminum area and there stopped their car, the policemen. And then there was some terrorists there. The last thing that I know from her friend, he told me that she and one more of her friends, her name is Sapir, Sapir Bilmas, the two of them run away to the forest. And since then, we don't know anything, any information, any thing that someone know or can tell us or share will be much appreciated because we are desperate. We are really desperate. Have you heard anything from authorities, Maria? No, nothing. Today morning, we went for the family committee. This is the police and, you know, all the people that are looking for the missing people and we gave all the details that we could and our DNA and everything, but still it's already more than 30 hours. And we get no information. We are really desperate and we must to know something, some clue, something it will be much appreciated. Yes, of course, and Maria, in disrespect, you know, people all over the world are watching us now. Any message, anything you would like to tell to all those people around the world who are watching and all those decision makers who are listening to you? Yeah, I just wanted to say that I hope that my sister will be healthy and sound and will come home soon. And if someone knows something and can share it with us, it will be much appreciated. You can. I can share my phone number or my email, whatever it's need. I will be glad for any any clue. Yes, and during our conversation, we're seeing the pictures of your sister, Karine, all throughout our conversation here. Maria, we share your your your prayer, your hope that Karine will be back home safe as soon as possible, that and that any information will be available. As soon as thank you, thank you so much. Thank you very, very much for this. Stay strong. Thank you. We want to turn now to our 24 news as senior diplomatic correspondent joining us. Owen Alterman, we've been discussing here in studio with the Mr. Phil Ushalmi short moments ago, the complex the complexity of the situation in terms of decision making, taking into consideration this the the the scope of the scale again, the magnitude of the of the of the kidnapped. We still don't have a clear number of how many Israelis civilians soldiers alike are being held by Hamas captive and they got a strip. But this is just another component in this in this equation. And I want to begin with something that has nothing to do with politics at this point in time, but rather national security. Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Premier, do we have any indication of what is currently being assessed, being discussed in the security cabinet meetings that he's convening? Not a lot, Ellie. Again, we have statements from the security cabinet meeting last night, for example, where the objective was set out to destroy the military and governing capabilities of Hamas. Now, what does it mean to destroy the governing capabilities of Hamas? I'm a lawyer. I'm not sure I understand. And Hamas control over the Gaza Strip and governance of the Gaza Strip. That's an objective I think we all understand. But to destroy Hamas's governing capability in the Gaza Strip is to me to a lot of gobbledygook. And again, there seems to be this indecision, right? On the one hand, there seems clearly to be a need for a different kind of objective in this war, as the prime minister has put it. Now the security cabinet has defined it versus the operations that we've seen in Gaza in the past, right? Which in a sense meant, as we always said, to mow the lawn, right? To mow the lawn and then allow the grass to grow back and mow the lawn again, if you will, using a problematic but still accurate metaphor versus here where there seems an obvious need to uproot the grass to continue to use that metaphor. But on the other hand, a hesitance on the part of the prime minister to commit to doing that, because I think he's concerned he won't be able to achieve it and doesn't want to set himself up for failure. By the other hand, by virtue of not committing himself to that, I think causes himself not to get really the confidence of the public, given all that we're seeing, including of course that conversation just had about those who have been kidnapped and taken to Gaza or who are missing or who are killed, 700 or more of them. So again, the lack of clarity about the objective is I think something that's troubling. Now I should say, we did get from the IDF spokesperson again, the spokesperson for the military earlier today, a very clearly defined objective that within the next day, and we're now about 12 hours after this statement. And I think Rafael Ushami might have actually been in studio with me at the time this happened, or just about that within the next 24 hours, there would be an evacuation of those within the frontline communities on the Gaza border. And those communities would be clear to terrorists. It seems not to be happening, Ellie. So even that very defined and measurable objective at this hour seems not to be being met. So I think again, the Israeli public while united and of course hoping for victory and I know we'll talk about politics in a moment. I think people have to be very, very concerned about the performance of the military to this point. And this again brings me, Owen, to stress before I ask you to talk quote unquote politics. This has nothing to do with politics at this point in time since the trust between Israeli citizens and their leadership has been completely shattered. And so the formation of an emergency unity government that will bring together leadership from all across the board is pivotal is paramount of paramount importance and yet it is still not happening 40 hours after this war broke out. Well, a couple of things. First of all, Ellie, I think obviously confidence in the military establishment and the intelligence establishment obviously has been completely shot and dented. Of course, at the end of the day is really done a bunch of a choice, right? There's no alternative army. There's no alternative to intelligence services. So people aren't left with much of a choice, right? Other than civilian initiatives that we've seen blossoming right up and down the country over the course of the last two days. As to the political echelon, look, it's undetermined at this point. And one end, of course, Prime Minister Netanyahu has been in his position. Israel's longest serving Prime Minister for a very long time. And so it's been overseeing, right? Decision making vis-a-vis the Gaza Strip for a very long time. But at the end of the day there, too, Israelis don't have much of a choice but to put their trust in the political establishment. And you are right to ask about what constellation the government takes. First of all, to make something very clear to our viewers. In this situation, nobody is playing politics in the traditional sense, right? If over the course of the last nine months, we've all seen the ruptures in Israeli society. That's not part of the discussion right now. And of course, that there's a united front, right, among parties across the Zionist political spectrum, if you will, in terms of the motive and in terms of the goal and in terms of the will to achieve it. There also hasn't been too much of a debate on ideological lines about the objective, right? We've seen left-wing intellectuals coming out with a more hawkish position, for example. And some on the right, you know, maybe the surprising way coming out with a more dovish perspective. So there are tactical differences of opinion but they're not necessarily ideological. You are right there's discussion what to do about this national unity government. Very, very quickly. Yet here will appear the opposition leader laid out a condition. He was willing to bring his party, which is a very large segment of the Israeli parliament, into such a government on condition. On condition that Netanyahu then take out of that unity or emergency government the far right, right? The religious Zionism party, but the little smotridge, the Jewish power party, it's in our bender. Just seems unwilling to do that. So instead of it's on the table. Also representing a chunk of Israeli public that is currently fighting as we speak on different fronts. Yeah. Absolutely. Now, right. Yeah. So again, Benny Gantz potentially coming in, talks underway, Ellie. That one seems like it's something that will happen. So of course watch the space of the next 24-48 hours. May well be that we will see Benny Gantz and Gotti Eisencourt from his party, two former IDF chiefs of staff, joining the government and being part of the decision. And in addition to the fallout in terms of the military in terms of the war, also of course fallout in politics as well. Oh, and very briefly, before we let you go, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaking once again with American President Joe Biden. A lot of information coming out of Washington and those past hours, no doubt on how supportive Washington is being. But is there any sense in Washington of what is happening, what has happened, not just vis-a-vis Hamas, but vis-a-vis Iran and what aid is on its way as American officials are putting it? Three points. First of all, Ellie, Joe Biden is a very popular guy in Israel these days, right? Across the Israeli political spectrum. And it is healthy in the long term for the US-Israel relationship for this to be happening with a Democratic president. And to see Joe Biden coming out so emotively and so forcefully in support of Israel and really wanting to give the country the help that it will want and need. Second again, reports that US military carriers right are on their way. So the United States in a short force in the Mediterranean Sea obviously will be very welcome. Where the Americans seem to be especially useful in addition to providing material, if you will, is in sending that message to Iran and to his ballot to butt out, right? To not become part of this war, right? Because if they were, it would make the task much, much harder. So the United States essentially signalling to his ballot, right? Ellie, not in so many words, that if his ballot decides to enter the war, they might not be messing just with Israel, right? But implicitly, the threat is there, that they run the risk of messing with the United States as well. And that obviously sends a very, very powerful message. And I think one that's welcomed by all Israelis, of course, Israel's national security strategy has never depended, right? And that kind of helped from the United States. And I think it's in a sense troubling that that's even, even remotely on the table. But nonetheless, given the situation, that's what the United States is offering and certainly welcome, welcome to by the Israeli public. I 24 news this in your diplomatic correspondent Owen Ultriman. Thank you very much for this. Mr. Rafale Ruchal, Mr. With us here in studio, listening with us to Owen Ultriman and the American aid that is on its way, but not less important as Owen is saying the messaging to Tehran and to be root. Of course, it's a very strong signal when we have to be really grateful for this American position. At such a difficult time, the signal is clear because the fleet that is approaching is first of all going to help a lot in the in the intelligence domain. So for us in the immediate, it will be to help us have a look at what's going on in Gaza, but also in south Lebanon, the American intelligence and the American technology will help us have a clearer view of that. But at the same time, the Americans and I'm sure we'll use that same technology to have a little look at Syria and Iran. Of course, their presence, their mere presence. And that's the purpose of the fifth and the sixth fleet. Their mere presence is already a threat and a signal and a very strong message to the forces around. Let us not forget that apart from this, we are going to get from the Americans a lot of logistical and weapon support starting by more ammunition for the Iron Dome, because we unfortunately would see what happens tonight, for instance, expect more missiles above our heads. So first of all, more ammunition from the Iron Dome, special explosives and drones that will help us if there is urban guerrilla warfare. These special explosives and drones are able to penetrate buildings and explode into rooms and corridors. So we're going to get that. And the usual ammunition that we need for mostly all the equipment is going to be for urban warfare that we're going to get from from the Americans. This help is crucial. And I think like Owen said on you also, it brings also a lot of good feeling to the Israeli people. We feel the support. We feel that this being hugged and we need that hug. If if there was any doubt who's the friend that will stand by Israel in times of need. There you go. But let's do stay with them with the issue of capabilities. You've mentioned the the barrages of rockets that Israel is bracing itself to to face in terms of Hamas's military abilities, the arsenal. Or was Israel surprised by that as well? Are we to expect more surprises in that sense? Again, when we're talking about the amount of munition in the strip? Well, we know what we know and we don't know what we don't know. And the former chief of Mossad, the frame and levy came out by saying that we were surprised, or at least he was surprised that the Hamas had so many rockets, quoting a number of 3000. If you would have interviewed me a couple days ago, I would have told you that my estimate was 7000. So we don't know what we don't know. I think my estimates with all due respect to former chief of Mossad is a little more realistic. I don't think if they only had 3000, they would have thrown them all on one day. So I suppose that if they allow themselves, they wanted to strike hard from the start, okay? So they must have thrown maybe a quarter or a third of what they have. I don't think they would use more than that because they knew that the response would be coming from the IDF and then they have to have, of course, the level of threat still high up enough rockets, especially long range ones towards Tel Aviv that are always a signal at the beginning of the war. I don't think they're ready, but we are not the wiser. I don't think I'm afraid I'm certainly not a former chief of the Mossad. So I don't have the info and it's a little disquieting. If really at that level, they didn't have the info either. Yes, and it's important to perhaps note in this respect, Mr. Are you or show me that perhaps one of the reasons that we're still saying ongoing a shootout to between Israeli forces and Hamas terrorists that is because we're the Israeli policy this point in time is not to let any quote unquote elite command Hamas commando fighters to get back to the strip as in most of Hamas's senior fighters are now gone or will be gone soon. Yeah, we have to remember that they were still talking about a border that's 60 kilometers long. That's 60,000 meters. You can't have a soldier every 10 meters. And you also are talking about open areas with a lot of places to hide. So it's really not so easy as it seems. We also I think I would like to point out we noticed how slow was the progress in the villages that were invested by Palestinian tourists? How slow was the progress to recuperate to these villages? So in a year again, you have to to be on the ground on the ground. It's not as simple as it seems. You have to try a few things when you approach a house that's occupied by with terrorists holding hostages. You have first to try to negotiate in a couple of times. It did do the work a couple of times. The terrorists accepted the deal. So you have to try that then you have to a few hours ago a house in the city of a Fakim, not a border community whatsoever inside Israel was released that way after being taken hostage for hours. Yeah, so a different perception or conception of fighting when we're talking counter terrorism. And when we're talking about what's happening and what will be happening in the Gaza Strip. Mr. Feligo, show me. Thank you so very much for helping us get a better understanding perhaps of what is happening. Thank you very much, sir, for this crossing now live to the hospital, the Barzila hospital down south in the southern city of Oshkilon. I 24 news correspondent Robert Swift is there. Robert heartbreaking gut turning scenes there all throughout the day. Parents, relative civilians from all over the country arriving at this hospital looking hoping to find a clue on on the state, the status of their dearests. What can you tell us? Indeed, that's correct. As it stands right now, the death figure remains at 700 with being confirmed just recently that 260 of those dead individuals alone came from one event. That was the the nature party, the rave where party goers were gunned down. Now a little earlier, we spoke to the director of this hospital and he told us that the majority of the casualties that they've been dealing with over the course of the last almost 40 hours now, they were victims of gunshot ones. And he explained that due to the fact that many of these patients had to be operated on immediately and the scale of the casualties that they were dealing with that this became an extremely complex operation for the hospital to deal with, as you can see just behind me appears that possibly more casualties arriving. We have been having ambulances coming in all all evening sporadically bringing in casualties. Some of them is really IDF soldiers. But of course, the the events of the of the last day and a half, there is not just about the the dead and the wounded. There's also the factor of the hostages that have been taken with Hamas and Islamic jihad, both of them saying that they are holding hostages and the Israeli government confirming that there are at least 100 being held by those two organizations. And a little earlier, we spoke to to one individual, a mother whose son was among the missing. And let's take a listen to what she had to say with us earlier today. Now, it's worth bearing in mind that the scenes that we're seeing, scenes like that that you've just you've just witnessed. These are not just taking place at this hospital here. This is one of several hospitals operating in the south of the country dealing with mass mass casualties. Now, Israel is a country that is accustomed to severe security events, but many people have noted that they've not seen anything like this before. And the events of yesterday, the events that are continuing into today as the IDF continues to fight just south of us. These are events have not been seen by this country before by its fighters or by its medics. Yes, fighting at the frontline in hospitals across the country as well. Numbers keep on spiraling up of the of the dead, of the wounded, of those in critical condition. Robert Swift from the Barsadai Hospital. Thank you very much for this. Joining us now in studio. Major General in the Reserves Itan Dangot, former military secretary of course of three Israeli defense minister, former coordinator of government activity in the Palestinian territories. Major General Dangot, let's try to map out the current state of affairs because we are talking about different scenes that are unfolding first perhaps and foremost. What was defined as the first stage of this war, the pursuit of clearing Israel's south, Israeli territory down south of Hamas terrorist objectives seems not just not to have been achieved so far because there is an active scene down south in Salot and elsewhere, but will not be achieved until day three of the war. Yes. And we have to be patient. This is the reality that was entering of hundreds of terrorists and I think that some thousands are also in the area itself and I'm taking also on account opportunity the defense that is opening area in some places more than 10 are also they are trying and succeeding some places to enter from Gaza back in order to continue, try to continue waiting. This is their goal as more as they can hold such a text in the area it is count like a success but you have to work in such scenarios very slowly you have to take on account that each area that in each apartment that you have a terrorist there is opportunity that he hold hostage in that place so it's more time more carefully activities collect local intelligence and then to be active and I thought that it will be ended this night we have to wait I believe till tomorrow lunchtime to see and then we can assess I will not be surprised if it's take another one day it's much more better in these circumstances to say we succeed everything is clean then to be surprised again this is the area of Gaza but meanwhile on the same time you have a lot of strikes on Gaza by the Israeli Air Force and some kind of ground arms or missiles that are launching towards Gaza they are covering areas like Bet Hanun that is very close to the road you just mentioned that was the local base that the unit that led the activity on Saturday organized itself and today I think one street was completely destroyed in this place has been used for this kind of activities and you see that the strikes has some meanings first of all are looking in infrastructure of Hamas symbols of the entity of Hamas and other kind of activities all over the Gaza it is not in my opinion the main attack that we will see as we will declare about cleaning the area out in our territory and we will have some information about the hostages that are kept in Gaza it will free the commanders and the cabinet to decide to go to another stage in Gaza itself but Major General Damgut the analogy of Hamas targets have been hit from previous rounds this is no previous round have we so far seen any strikes that are not on the Israeli from on behalf of the Israelis that is the Israeli Air Force in the Gaza Strip striking targets that are unlike previous rounds Yes, I tell you something about the change the concept of the mechanism that we familiar for many years in Gaza even since 2007 when Hamas took the entity by the revolution in Gaza we are in a different story there is no mechanism of checking there is no humanitarian issue in Gaza but Major General Damgut there is still this procedure this humanitarian procedure of no defying some places yes but there are some already I heard the reporters from Gaza that it coming surprisingly and I think that Israel is moving towards another step another mechanism that has one thing the humanitarian has been broken we don't have any duty in my opinion towards Gaza from humanitarian issue we have to to disconnect the electricity the water the fuels the goods that are going to Gaza we have to stop everything after what happened here that Hamas and some hundreds of civil people from Gaza that entered also to Israel and behaved as they are al-Qaeda ISIS and others I think that Israel should leave it immediately and in such circumstances in about 4 to 5 days from my experience Gaza will raise a red lamp to say we are under attack we are under closure this is why timing matters here legitimation for Israel is something that the west world and some other modern countries will have to continue to give Israel and meanwhile also you have to bring the to push back the terrorists or to kill them in the Israeli territories you have on the second issue to see what will be with the hostage numbers and try to build the mechanism the third is you have to assess all the time what's going in west bank especially in the north with Hezbollah and then will come what we say I believe that Israel is going now to a different story if it's not going to do it we will make a great mistake what does it mean among the timetable don't wait for anything in one day strike in another day try to kill the leaders of Hamas on the third day you have to find out another intelligence information it's another rules another principles it's changing completely the story with not with Hamas speaking to that point exactly major general we want to jump up north still no control down south but all this while the northern front is some sort of a ticking bomb and the Israeli is there several incidents there throughout the day what can you tell us yes there were several incidents and I think that Hezbollah is trying to test the waters check Israel's alertness especially that yesterday Israel was caught not in a state of alert and this is a lesson Hezbollah wants to study but the situation is relatively calm there have been reinforcements of troops not to the amount of the kind of reinforcements that we are seeing toward the Gaza Strip more reinforcements to contain the threat of Hezbollah there's been a recommendation issued by the regional councils of the northern border to for the residents that live in communities adjacent to the border to leave their homes and seek shelter in the center of the country of the south and indeed residents have been living we were in Kibbutzchanita two thirds of the 200 families living there have already left the place testing the place instead of the residents and creating some sort of closed military area which we could not enter as a result of the state of alert now the question is whether this affects the residents here in Naria for instance you can see that the streets are pretty empty in that home in a sense and some people are more relaxed than others are saying nothing will happen here some others expect that there will be rocket fire but no one knows and the big test for Israel regarding Hezbollah in a sense is how does Israel handle the situation in the south because ironically the scenario was that Hezbollah would invade community villages around the border and take hostage and that happened with Hamas not with Hezbollah what quote was anticipated with Hezbollah up north happened down south with Hamas one of many misconceptions that is and will be discussed of course Pierre Kluschendler for this and the rest of the I-24 news team there with you Major General Dankot before we get back to let's hear it from Hezbollah itself training for this moment of truth so to speak for years watching closely what is happening on Israel's southern front let's take a listen we salute all our beloved Palestinian resistance factions in Palestine no matter to whom they belong we are united in the resistance we tell those that the nation is with you our heart, minds, souls our history and guns and rockets and all that we have is with you because we are the resistance that was founded originally for you and for Palestine and Jerusalem Major General Dankot obviously there is idea of mobilization to the north and if we've learned anything from what is happening down south that quiet is completely deceiving complete misconception and yet we do not have an indication that the Lebanese will join that Hezbollah will join yes but the silence in this border and after what happened in Gaza is much more weight and meaning and without any kind of declaration what we can identify today the morning started with shooting motor shells towards the area of Dov mountain when you have open space and where there is an agreement between Hezbollah Lebanon and Israel concerning the borderline and that's brought some kind of reaction immediately from Israel like a second message we will react immediately towards you by the way we shoot on the 10 that was on our area I don't know the situation exactly now they built it again for months we've been talking about this today it was shoot second issue and the other area between Roshanikra and Metulla this is the sensitive area with the area of the Kibbutzim and the Moshevim and other places what we can see first of all we have to be in a stronger lot because this is the time that we already assess that before the holidays that Hezbollah has let's say they are looking to be active secondly you see that concerning the reporters said each Israeli civilians making its own personal personal assessment towards what to do to live to see what's going on you cannot avoid it even you have to courage it to because it's something that I think it's good for the people secondly or the third point that besides what happened in Saturday also a lot of reserve forces were called and were sent to the border with Lebanon you cannot take a risk it's another story if it happened there it will move the weight of the IDF from the area of Gaza towards Lebanon when it's IDF especially Air Force and others and it's another story for Israel you ask me whether it's the silence shoot something I believe also that the United States today evening statements by President Biden and the know that they are going to send here some ships coming to the area it's a signal to Iran be careful we will support Israel it's something to balance this situation so it's sensitive if you ask me we are not yet the bus has not come to the station but it's very close and in this respect you know you were talking about the calculations every Israeli civilian is now making among themselves but when we're talking about the overall Israeli assessment of what is a greater risk that his father will join or that will be deterred how do you balance those two fears I think that at the end we cannot not to be honest to say that what happened yesterday in Gaza brought a lot of uncertain lose a lot of self-confidence and brought the people for such reaction and even of thinking about we are very close to a war on defending our home and our future here it can become as a war from terror and this is something that we said all the time that the new clear is the terrorist but the issue is coming from the round us and inside the question and I believe in the IDF the Israeli population as we see brave people what they did saving their children saving this country we don't have any other opportunity besides win and we will win yes we do have you for another few minutes before we wrap up this our major general down got obviously referencing what Goldomir said 50 years ago when she was asked about the objectives of the Yom Kippur war Israel will win because it simply we have no other choice this is the case now as well but in this respect as we are entering day three of this war in a few hours what are the immediate objectives of the Israeli army what should what is the focus for the coming day first of all I hope that the army will succeed to clean the area as soon as possible as it more taking time it's bringing more problems the moment that we will be sure that we succeed to move back or to kill those terrorists in our territory it's something you're going to another fence you can centralize them to do what you have to do concerning the north and concerning the south there is something I think that the loss of price for Hezbollah and Iran by opening any kind of escalation with Israel has a lot of meaning it means that Iran will not have very soon or very soon I mean few years from now another opportunity to create any kind of escalation in the Middle East and that is Iran based its policy in the area based on the Hezbollah is the main proxy the moment that Iran release and it start a fire it means a big disaster but we will win and Iranian will suffer from the fact that we stop their activities in terror in the region so well that might be the end goal but it seems that now we're at the very beginning of a very tough campaign thank you very much Mr. General it and dangos for this for a quick break we'll be back at the top of the hour today I'm making three different dishes with edible flowers a salad which is a mix of seasonal leaves and flowers a spelt pastry filled with our greens and a beet dish served with our sour cream topped with wood sorrel and wild mustard flowers flowers more than any other plant indicate the season of the year thanks to their high sensitivity to climate changes such as temperature and light so when you serve a dish with flowers it's almost like presenting the current season on a plate we're in moshav matah located in the Jerusalem district of Israel our agricultural family farm is called Yerukaleh and it includes its yellow struck and our flower greenhouses we grow edible flowers herbs leaves and berries in a special technique using cultivation tables and harvesting by hand another field of the farm is the wild vegetation growing in its surroundings that we forage seasonally some of the flowers are very typical to the Judean hills area such are the wild mustard and the asphodel which blossoms in springtime