 So we're right here at the Planet Computers headquarters here in London. Hi, so who are you? Hi there, I'm a Young Comericic VLOGAL CEO and co-founder of Planet Computers. Hi Nicholas, how are you? So this is a busy time right now. Absolutely, very busy day, right? So we've launched the crowdfunding campaign this morning for the Cosmo communicator. So this is our new device that we announced at 9am this morning UK time. Because the Gemini PDA, I think it's an awesome device. I've been using it as my main driver, which people say, you know, I've been using mine every day for the last more than six months. Yeah, it's very very stable. Yeah, well thanks. I mean, you know, we we we it seems to be okay, you know, not restarting or anything like that. So quite happy with the stability on the device. And you know, the as you know, the Gemini device, it's it's got a nice PDA keyboard, big, big six inch screen. And on the outside, it's basically built like a PDA, but there is a 4G version, which basically allows it to be also a phone. So you can make calls like this and so on. And you had many sales, right? So it was a very successful crowdfunding campaign. Until now, it's around about two and a half million dollars. And you know, we have something like 7000 backing backers on the on the campaign. Plus we have the stores, so we're selling it in on our online store at planetcom.co.uk. So this is this is the this is the Gemini. It's basically built like a pocket computer. It's a PDA that can also double up as a phone. But a lot of people, you know, a lot of our users have said, look, we'd really like an outside screen. We'd really like a backlit keyboard. We'd really like a really good camera on this, because we want to use it as our only device. You know, we want to have a fingerprint sensor. We want to have NFC. We want to do everything that we can call a smartphone. Because it's also really also really good camera, you know, and also that you can see who's calling on the outside. So some kind of outside screen, so you don't need to open it to make calls. So basically, this is kind of the main drivers, what does sort of led us into making the Cosmo because the Cosmo, you know, it has an outside camera, 24 megapixel. It has an outside display. This is just a prototype mockup, right? This is a prototype, very initial prototype. And there are things that are working on it, but it's very very initial. But you can see what it looks like. So basically, you've got the new metal compared to the Gemini. You know, you've got the outside screen, you've got the camera, you've got the special fingerprint toggle, and including sort of an answer and close call toggle, which can also be used for other things like zoom or or this is a toggle right here. Yeah, that's a toggle. And basically, that will be able to toggle left and right to answer calls. Left, right. Yes. And in the middle, there's a fingerprint sensor. Does it push in or just on the final version, it will toggle left and toggle right? Yes. Yes. Obviously, you know, when you when you when you design things, if you are if you are working on the, you know, on the prototypes is one thing. And then when you actually finalize, you know, things can look a bit different. But basically, the intention is it's toggling left, it's toggling right, it has a fingerprint sensor, and it has two lights that are showing either answer or close. So you can see which two LEDs, two lights, some kind of lights. Yeah, yeah. And there will be a two inch. So there's basically an outside screen. You can see it here. Actually, it's not active, but it's there inside the prototype. So you can see the display. And this is a touch screen. So you'll be able to to dial numbers, you'll be able to select people and also do DTMF calls. So if you're, let's say, I don't know, need to pay for parking. You don't need to like type in the last punch in the last four digits of your credit card, or anything like that. And of course, there'll be a flash and 24 megapixel camera. Nice camera. Nice camera. Yes, that's the idea. The idea is that, you know, this is a great PDA, but this is a great phone, a great pocket computer, and a great camera. So that's the plan, right? So you can basically replace your laptop and your smartphone just with one of these. And then it's going to have the nice awesome six inch display and also a backlit keyboard. Yes, so there's a backlit keyboard. So we're working on some prototypes. And these are these are very, very early prototypes, but you can see, so I'm just going to I'm just going to light up the keyboard so you can see, you know, we've been working on some prototypes. It's by no means final. Yeah, you didn't test all the lighting. Yeah, it's very, very early, but you can see, you know, we've been working on how to do it, and we're going to basically be improving on that. Nice. Because that's that's so there's there was four three or four or five top requests. So it was second display. Yeah, the top four requests are external display backlit camera. There's there's basically being able to have an external display backlit camera 20. So so back back facing. Yeah, sorry, external display, backlit camera. Yeah. Sorry, a back keyboard. I'll repeat that. So external display. A very good camera on the outside. There's obviously inside camera as well. Backlit keyboard and the fingerprint sensor for security. So those were kind of the top four. And we've also added some other things such as NFC for payment, which was also something you know, people will request it will be it will be on the front. So you see this part is this part is plastic. This part is metal, but this part is plastic so they can be a lot of space because you need a you need a large amount of space for the NFC aerial. So basically, so it will be on the front. So you can either pay by touching like this, or you can pay by touching like this. So they're the different ways of doing that. And you'll get some haptic feedback when that happens. So you can use it as a oyster card, maybe. Yes, we've already had some requests today about having the Felica card and also the same kind of card like oyster in Japan to be working. I wonder if there's like an Android app where you can just load any kind of NFC kind of thing and it just loads it in and then you can use them all. So this is an emulation of actually of the of some of the other protocols that are used for travel. So so yes, it's possible. But we have to we cannot confirm yet. So we need to see. So this is you know, you're probably the first to see the prototype like in in real life. So we're going outside the company. So November is in full crazy swing. It started this morning. First of all, both David and I, I would like to say great thank you to backers of the Cosmo because we started the campaign this morning, and we were already reaching about $300,000. So we basically crossed our target, which is 200,040 initial target on the Indiegogo. So we're very excited and really thankful that it's such a great take up and that, you know, people seem to really enjoy the new device. We refresh. So let's try and do a refresh on that. I don't know where we are now. But we'll see on the. So we're now on 299. So you know, so it's really, you know, it's really really we reached our target in something like four or five hours, which is pretty amazing. When we did the Gemini, we reached the same target. Probably took us three days, two and a half days to reach the target. So it's a phenomenal. It's a phenomenal response today. We're so excited and really really amazed at the take up. So now you can say something as well on that. Is there media and people talking about it? Yes, there are. And I wanted to discuss about something else, which is the fact that, of course, we have a new device. But we are also part of the company's business, the new device, part of the company's business, the old device. So we are still supporting the device. In fact, actually, this, this version here runs one of the pre-production 108 version. So if I go to system and somewhere about, you can see 8.1.0 with very, very latest security patches. So there is a lot of work behind the scenes. We are working on the next 100 version. We are cooperating with YOLLA. YOLLA is about to release their Sailfish version 3. That version will also be running on the Gemini and so on. So a lot of work behind the scenes, both on the new and the old and the current device. Sailfish are good partners of you, right? Absolutely. To us, it makes perfect sense because I personally, I believe, have a very interesting proposition, which I believe is really enriched by having a keyboard, because that's a kind of more serious operating system and having a keyboard, that makes really a lot of sense because you can exploit really the software and hardware together. Sailfish claims to be running full Linux apps, right? Correct. So like, you can run big apps? Yes, yes. Advanced apps? Yes, that's true. We can, you can also do with that with Linux, with the Debian, for example, and other flavors. It's just, they have a very, very beautiful user interface, which is really taught for mobile devices. So since we did the last video, it was a little bit more than six months ago, there has been some open source community involvement with your company, right? Absolutely. So, you know, when we started with this device, with the current one, we didn't have the very beginning open source community together with us. So the Linux side surfaced a little bit and took a little bit of time to align with the Android version. But now that we have a community, that's something we would like to hopefully solve. So we hope to see for the next version, for the Cosmo communicator, we hope to see the Linux release being really aligned with the Android from day one. That'd be so cool. It's a different chipset, but still, if there's stuff happening with the new one, it could maybe also backport to the old one, right? I mean, to the Gemini PDA. Yes. Whatever happens on Cosmo potentially is more or less easily also on the Gemini PDA. Yes. And also as well, we had, you know, much more experience on these and, you know, for us, it's a second device. So it's much different. In a way, it's much easier because we've already been there for many, many things. Yeah. So, Nicola, I mean, just quick mention, you know, the Gemini is here to stay. So, you know, the Cosmo, we're extending the range of devices to the Cosmo, right? So we are adding a higher tier device. So there'll be the Gemini Wi-Fi. There'll be the Gemini 4G and Wi-Fi. And then there'll be the Cosmo communicator because really, this is kind of more entering the smartphone, the smartphone side, whereas the Gemini are supposed to be more like PDAs. PDAs that have mobile capability, that have mobile communication, but they're really PDAs. And the Cosmo range will be more sort of like phones. Yes, they have a keyboard. They do open up, but more like communicators than PDAs. Everybody, I show my Gemini PDA to, everybody's just like mind blown, like, why is that? It's like a constant thing. Yeah. And I guess you've been having a lot of fun, I guess, in the last year. No matter what you do, no matter who you stop in the street, you show your Gemini PDA and people are like, what? And you say, that's mine. That is this. So even if you have headphones on, people will tap you on the shoulder and say, like, hey, what's that? Where can I buy one? So what is it? What is it? And so on. So there's a lot of interest. And it's pretty good like that. And I think this will be even more intriguing for people. Can you open it and just to show that there's some slight difference in the hinge? So there's a lot of difference, actually. So don't forget, this is all pre-production, but the hinge is actually thicker. So it will be much more steady. The hinge is a different shape. So if you see on the Gemini, I'll open the hinge. You have a straight piece here. Let's try it right here. So basically, the hinge is different. But don't forget, this is still pre-production. So basically, the hinge is actually thicker. And also the support is slightly different. So it will be much more stable. But I think this is amazingly stable. I've been using it constantly. It doesn't break. In the beginning, I was maybe a little bit afraid, because I'm thinking, are you going to be able to make something that's stable and you have? So I've had, this is still an X-25. So yes, we have the gold covers here. But this is still sort of my X-25 unit, which I had from the start. And it's still there and it still works. So I'm very happy with it, which means that it's been essentially there since January, like 2000, January this year. So basically, we're now November. So roughly 11 months, right? So 10 months and a bit. So did you say 7,000 or 7,500 car funding and maybe extra? So is it more than 10,000 in the first one? Or what do you say? So we're now manufacturing, with the current manufacturing, we're now on 9,500 units produced on the Gemini. Yeah. Of which about 1,000, maybe between 1,300, our Wi-Fi, the rest are all 4G. And do you say anything about customer satisfaction on those 9,500 customers? All right. Well, there's a lot of feedback. And I think generalizing, I think people really love their Gemini. And I think, you know, certainly, it's one of those things that it's a device that really grows on you. And I think that's really quite interesting that it's kind of grows on you as you use it. And a lot of those 9,500 are using it as their main phone. Yes. And I think, you know, so there's people using it as the secondary device, people using it as their main phone, they're different uses. But I think most of the users are finding it useful. And I think that that's the most important. It's kind of part of their daily life. And you know, it's really today's, you know, today's mobile communication is changing. So it's not just about phone calls, as it was maybe 10 years ago. It's a lot about apps. And then the apps are all about touchscreen use and swiping, maybe selecting things. But then there's a lot of communication apps like WhatsApp, WeChat, Line, Skype, and, you know, Messenger applications, etc. And for those, the keyboard is extremely useful because it's not, you know, when you're in a, you know, a lot of a lot of the chatting is with text. So having a good keyboard is now becoming even more essential than it was when the PDAs were big in the 90s. So this is why I think we're kind of really kind of trying to, you know, expand this genre of device. And if you're looking at, you know, the communication is really, really changing, but we understand, and that's what the feedback was, you know, okay, let's be able to do calls on this, let's be able to take good photos on this, because the original Gemini doesn't really have a camera. There is an add-on. I do everything with a selfie camera. It's limited. Exactly. You've got to walk backwards. And, you know, this is why we want to, like, you know, basically make it simpler to do. So how would you take a camera? I'm keeping it closed. How would you take a picture? You will select, so basically for, if you want to start recording video or taking a selfie, you can do it by basically using the touch screen and then essentially pressing a button or setting a timer. But this is kind of the idea. We might change some of that, but essentially also to record sound or to record video, you don't necessarily need to open the unit, right? As well as that, the toggle which you can use for answering the call can be used for the camera zoom. So there's some, and other things like volume control, but essentially you'll be using the touch screen to start off the camera. And then basically you can use the either the side button or they'll be controlled. And you can use a 24 megapixel as a selfie because maybe you can use this screen to see what you're doing. And you don't need to unlock the phone to take a photo. You don't need to unlock the phone because essentially the information is going into the phone, not out of the phone. So you're basically not giving out any secure information. So even if you have your security on, that's going to be fine. But as I said, whatever I say in this video really is all preliminary stuff that we're thinking about because now the work really starts. So it's all subject to change. What's your preliminary idea for the UI and kind of like a system on that two inch screen? The UI, basically our key thing there is to support phone calls. And by that I mean making phone calls and taking phone calls. So taking calls is answering. But also making phone calls means essentially three things, either dialing a number, selecting a contact or doing DTMF tones, dialing tones for things like payment of I don't know parking or something else like that. So it's very important to be able to have the dial pad on there as well. And then things like starting recordings, looking at your notifications. But really, when there's something more laborious to do, then really, you know, you'll be instructed or suggested to open up the unit and start, you know, and start the real work.