 From Austin, Texas, it's theCUBE covering DockerCon 2017, brought to you by Docker and support from its ecosystem partners. Hi, I'm Stu Miniman, joined with my co-host, Jim Kobielus, and we're here with theCUBE at DockerCon 2017. When I talked to John Furrier, he said, Stu, you know, at DockerCon, we're going to give Solomon Heikson founder, we're going to get Ben Gallup, the CEO, and we're also, of course, going to get Marianna Tessel, who is the EVP of strategic development. Marianna, thank you for having us back again and we've been having a great event. How are everything with you? Thank you, first of all. Yeah. It's great, great. I mean, this is the second day of DockerCon and I think we had a great set of announcement yesterday and amazing set of announcement today as well, so it's really going great. And, you know, I've been roaming the exhibit all and actually a couple of people said this was one of the best shows they've been part of and that this very engaged audience is great, is great to hear. Yeah, from the keynote yesterday, the word that stuck out to me is really scaling. You know, as we talk about scaling deployment, it's just scaling the ecosystem and the show itself. So, you know, I was at that first DockerCon when we were like wedged in that hotel room as Ben joked. You know, we had a hundred people more than we told the fire marshal because it was tight. The cubes usually a little bit smaller footprint than we have at some other shows, but Austin, first of all, you picked great locations. I mean, San Francisco, you know, Seattle here, looking forward to, we announced yet where next year's is. I don't think we announced that yet. Usually it happens in the afternoon. Okay, but you know, here in Austin, so talk to us a little bit about some of those announcements, the stuff that you're excited about with growing the ecosystem. You know, I'm going to continue to theme you started with scale and obviously, like you said, a lot of things are changing and scaling. One of the things we've noticed that more and more companies and enterprises have really started to use that, to use us more in scale and more in production, more apps, more of that going on. And one of the trends we've noticed that actually Ben covered on stage today is that there's not just kind of the bleeding edge development and all new apps, web apps, but actually we're starting to see more of a traditional apps coming on board as well and more traditional apps saying, wait a second, I want those benefits as well. I don't know if I want to go all the way to the extreme of rewriting my code and going to microservices, but I can reap a lot of the benefits from dockerizing and putting our tools on top. So we've actually seen more and more of that in more and more companies. So, yeah. The discussion actually with Solomon, we talked this morning, is he was like, oh, I don't know what Lego set we are. And I said, you know that green flat piece that you can build everything on top of? So you can have your space set and your castle and all the pieces there. You want to be a platform that can build. It goes into one of the announcements you guys had today. It's the modernized traditional applications. Maybe walk us through a little bit what that means, that mix of the microservices versus traditional apps and how that, do you guys see yourselves participating in customer's journey? Right. So, yeah, when we call this program, by the way, there has a nickname, MTA. But, you know, it's like you said, what we've seen is customers and users that want to have benefit of the, you know, across the board with the right new code as they have more traditional apps with traditional stacks. And what we came up with is a way for you to move from more traditional to the new and dockerizing really quickly, using our tools that really quickly. And in there, one of the things we also announced today is a go to market and a program, basically a good program that helping customers to do that. And we have great partners that we announced today and I'm sure we're going to have even more with Microsoft, Avanon, HPE and Cisco. Avanon, what we're going to basically provide is a way for you very quickly to start seeing the benefit, taking a traditional app and within days, in fact, like five days, you should be able to already get it in a modern state and start seeing the benefits from that. And, you know, it's something that we're going to encourage customers to do and again, very quickly see the benefits. In fact, we had a customer today, Noren Trust, who's already been doing that, talking about the benefits they've been seeing, they've been seeing from this program. So, yeah. Mariana, in terms of developer enablement, that's everything to getting dockerizing, to make dockerizing a universal phenomenon for wrapping legacy systems, for refactoring existing code, for building greenfield applications. What will docker do to continue to improve the experience of Project Mobi as an enabler for your ISV ecosystem? Going forward, how do you see the experience of front end in front of Mobi evolving to enable greater simplicity and speed of development? Yeah, first of all, I have to say that one of the magic, you know, the secret sauces of docker is our user experience and the way we made technologies sometimes that were already available, super accessible and super useful for developers and ops and users. So I would say that's definitely something that we have the DNA to do. And, you know, in a project in Mobi, we see ISVs and companies and not, it doesn't have to be a company, it could be like users or it could be a company that can come in and collaborate and really create a new component or a new project from what we're going to put there and hopefully others as well is a whole set of his Lego building blocks that they can assemble. Are there any plans of dockers to provide task-oriented skins or experiences on Mobi for different roles, I mean, different developer roles associated with particular projects? You know, task, wrapping in a legacy system is a different task, obviously, from developing a green field containerized application. So to what extent will you evolve the tool to enable more task-oriented roles specific interface? Yeah, I would say that, you know, as part of Mobi and across the company, we do have this realization that it could be that developers started to use docker first, but actually ops and even like we talked about traditional IT is pretty prevalent. So our idea, our thought is really to cater to all of these audiences and kind of understand, have a conversation with them and understand what exactly they need, what make them productive. An example of what I mentioned with the MTA program, the modernized traditional apps, that when he started more towards, you know, maybe an ops audience, you know, so like different things we do, we try to understand our audience and engage with them and see what's going to make them most productive, both in terms of tool set and in terms of how we, you know, bring it to them. Right, right. Mariana, we had the opportunity to have some of the, you know, partner keynote speakers on theCUBE, John Gosman on from Microsoft yesterday, we had Mark Kavage on from Oracle here. There's a lot going on, maybe give our audience just a little flavors to some of the other partner activity going on here that we might have missed, you know, if we weren't watching closely. Right, I mean that was first start and I think we had the same conversation last year and just like explaining how important it is for us that we work well with our ecosystem. It's a big part of our plan and strategy and again, confirm realization that customers want to use choice, different things. They were not alone in the world and we really want to engage with a vast ecosystem. So you saw, you know, from cloud providers to like more on-prem infrastructure, to ISVs, to networking providers, storage providers, so like a whole understanding of like, wait, in order to be a full platform, we really need to understand how to integrate and how to engage with the ecosystem and how to help customers have benefits of the entire thing combined. So we've been really looking at where the different leaders, sometimes customers take us there, they're like, hey, please partner with this company or that company, understanding mapping of what is needed and you know, and kind of again, like I said, starting from cloud infrastructure, network storage, management monitoring, security, all the way to ISVs. But you know, I would, since you brought up the fact that Mark was here, Mark from Oracle, I do want to talk a little bit about that because I think that is maybe even a bit new and unique that we, another thing that we announced today is the fact that we have Oracle dockerizing their apps and putting them in docker store and that is big. And again, for us, it's obviously big, but again, big for users. It's a very easy way to get, you know, software you really need and not only that, we announced several weeks ago a certification program. So the nice thing about that, if something is certified in store, you can really use that with a lot of trust. It's, you know, it's been tested, it's secure that we made sure that it followed best practices. We made sure that there was support engagement with the publisher. So that's again, geared towards enterprises that really want to have the confidence of downloading something from a store and just using it. So again, Oracle is kind of groundbreaking and putting their software there and you know, we're very excited about that and we think there's going to be more to come and we really looking forward to this, like an amazing service for our users who want to really start from component that exists and the components that they can trust and be productive very quickly. You know, I'm curious, how do you think of the docker store in relation to things like the Amazon marketplace or you know, many of your other partners have their own piece. There really is no, you kind of like enterprise app store today, so what do you guys want to own? How do you integrate with partners as you look at that, you know, develop over time? Right, and for us, docker store started as an enabler as we saw more and more need from users to basically, I don't like, hey, I want, you know, I'll take this as I talk about Oracle. I want to use a database. I don't want to go and dockerize it again. If somebody already done it and they already prepared it and they already went through it, why wouldn't I just reuse it? So the fact that you can put things in this building block and then move them around, it also actually enables the idea that you can reuse the same component between different users, right? So basically, you have here something that you can do once and many people can benefit. So that's the benefit we see, it started with official images long ago and we saw just unbelievable traction for it. Users really loved it. It makes them productive very quickly and we wanted to expand it to a wider set of ISVs, a wider set of components, a wider set of apps and made them available, you know, so we right now see it as more as an enabler and what kind of, again, it's one of the things that listening to our users, listening to our customers, we saw that that's kind of one of the things that will make them productive really quickly. One of the things we saw in abundance here at DockerCon this year is customers of, you know, Visa and MetLife and so forth, up on stage talking about how they're using Docker in their business for actual live applications. In terms of partners, are you focusing on particular vertical industries in terms of partnership with ISVs and VARs, particularly geographies? Give us a sense for where you're going in terms of diversification of geographies and industries in terms of your focus on partnerships. Yeah, and, you know, and again, different parts of the stack require different kinds of partnership, like on the south end of the stack, right, from on the infrastructure. We're looking for partners that either provide on-prem or cloud infrastructure or they can provide set of plugins that integrate with us and set of tools that can be used with Docker to complete and enhance the overall experience of users using Docker, right? So that's kind of one set of partnerships that, again, started from hardware vendors to cloud, to different plugins. On the north side of it, as we look at it, it's like we just talked about the fact that we have- Top of the application. The application services end of the stack is the north, right? Exactly, and all the way to the content, what you actually put inside and what you run. We also- Data and so forth and so forth, yeah. Exactly, we form, you know, a set of partnerships there and making sure that we, we're making sure that those components available in store, those components of Dockerize that companies can really use that. And, you know, obviously Microsoft and is a huge partner for us in the OS and in other Azure, other areas as well, and again- And storage vendors with Veritas and so forth, there's a fair amount of the data inside the ecosystem that really- Absolutely. You're going to continue to develop- Data, Clodera, you know, you've seen a lot of that. And we continue our partner and seeing what's needed there, understanding also we're trying to predict where customers are today, where they're going to be, maybe, what they will need a year or two from now and be ready for that. All right, so Mariana, that leads me to my final question. So we know where you're going to be in Europe. You won't tell us yet the location of the North American show for next year, but, you know, as you look at the ecosystem, how do you see that developing, you know, and when we sit down with you a year from now, what do you hope to have as the progress? Yeah, so if we look at the exhibit hall, I am hoping that it's, we're going to see even bigger exhibit hall with every single DockerCon. And just not just for fun, but really it's kind of indicates the collaboration we have with the ecosystem. And I would like us to be known as a trusted and productive partner for our ecosystem and a trusted and productive partner for our customer that kind of knows to work together with all of these constituencies to have amazing results. And like you said, we've seen customers and stages in the press releases that people say, I went from months of, you know, took me months to get a VM going, it takes me like seconds to get this now going. So you see the kind of productivity and we would like to continue, enhance it even more and get there fast. So, yeah, so. Yeah, absolutely. So Mariana, always a pleasure to catch up with you and we've got a few more interviews left, two days of live coverage for Jim Kobieles and I'm Stu Miniman. Thanks for watching theCUBE.