 Okay hello everyone and welcome to today's event, today's IID debates event making finance flow locally led action in the decade of action and we are really delighted to be co-hosting this Stockholm Plus 50 associated event today with the Swedish International Development Corporation Agency. My name is Juliette, I'm the events officer at IID and I'll be providing some technical support as we go through the event today and I can see the participant count is steadily moving upwards which is great so welcome to everyone who's just joining and while we wait just a moment or so for a few more participants to join I will run through how we're going to use the zoom features today and how you can engage in the event today because we really want to hear from all of you. That's all from me on housekeeping which means I now have the delightful job of introducing Ebony Holland who's the senior researcher at IID and lead author on the new paper that's being launched today and we're discussing and Ebony will tell you all about that and Ebony is also moderating our discussion today. I'll hand over to you Ebony, thanks so much. Thank you very much Juliette it's so great to have everyone here a very very warm welcome to you all to this event on making finance flow for locally led action in the decade of action. As Juliette mentioned this event is co-hosted by IID and CEDA and it is also an associated event to Stockholm plus 50 which keeps off next week. My name is Ebony Holland as Juliette said I'm the nature climate policy leader at IID and it's my great pleasure to be your moderator for this event and as Juliette also said I'm one of the authors of the report that will be launched during this event and I'll introduce that in a moment but before I do I want to thank our fantastic speakers for making the time to be with us today. I will introduce each of them as they come to speak shortly but there we're bringing a really diverse range of perspectives from small-scale men and women farmers, wildlife conservation in communities from global funds, multi-lateral development blanks and from governments as well you can see on the slide the speakers that we have with us today. So a huge welcome to our speakers also for making this event possible. In terms of format we will hear a series of short presentations from our speakers followed by a moderated Q&A session so do get your questions ready in the Q&A function below and upvote those that you would like to hear answered. There will also be an audience poll so we can hear directly from you as well. But the purpose of this event is to launch a new report and Juliette if I could have a next slide that would be fantastic. We're here today to launch this new report money where it matters for people nature and climate driving change through support for local level decision making over resources and finance. The report was commissioned by CEDA and produced by IED ahead of Stockholm Plus 50 next week. The report was written by myself and three IED colleagues Sejal Patel, Dillis Rowe and Claire Shakia and I know we have a couple of the authors in the audience today as well so a huge welcome to Claire and to Dillis. Our first speaker you will talk a bit more about Stockholm Plus 50 and why this event is so critical but from IED's perspective and certainly this is what we get to in this report a mark of success for the high level meeting this week will be if it can lead to stronger political ambition for locally led action. We really want to see this highlighted in the Stockholm Plus 50 meeting report and to really drive this agenda forward throughout the decade of action and really our report is getting to that exact issue. As we outline in the report sufficient levels of finance and not reaching the local level to support outcomes for people nature and climate as many here would already know national and global actors still control much of that finance and decision making and this is highly problematic as we know because it limits the agency and influence that local actors such as indigenous peoples local communities women youth and others have over how this money is spent. It also means that the wealth of local intergenerational indigenous traditional and cultural knowledge and experience can be missing from the decision making processes too. So from our perspective and noting the decades of progress that have been made on sustainable development since 1972 Stockholm Plus 50 provides an opportunity to reflect and to change this and put us on a pathway where locally led action is really central to delivering sustainable development outcomes. And also next next week Stockholm Plus 50 leaders as well as highlighting locally led action through their discussions and in the meeting report can also set the tone for other big meetings coming up this year such as COP 15, COP 27 and others even into next year. So next week really is a critical moment for this journey. In terms of the report itself, I just want to highlight the five recommendations that we put forward in this report. The recommendations draw heavily from the principles for locally led adaptation and also use of research by IED our partners and many others. And you can see their recommendations on the slide. They are to so to enable more locally led action for people nature and climate. The recommendations are to increase the quantity, improve the quality and strengthen the transparency of finance flows to simplify access to the finance to prioritize equitable governance of the finance to strengthen investments in national and local institutions, including to build national delivery mechanisms to get finance to the local level. And then a really important crosscutting fifth recommendation to tackle the underlying drivers of vulnerability and recognize the value of coherent responses to the triple crisis of nature of climate nature and poverty and finance and all decisions. From our side, we believe that addressing these recommendations will go a substantial way to reforming the finance system and to enabling more locally led action for people nature and climate. And before I hand over to your weaker, I just want to point out that the report itself acknowledges that the changes, the shift that's needed is a whole of society shift. The report specifically focuses on four audience groups and provides recommendations for those. The four audience groups are government, multilateral development banks, global funds and what we call international intermediaries, which are those middle actors that stick between global financial institutions and governments or communities and often manage the implementation of the funding. They could be international organizations, public or private organizations and also civil society groups. So those are the four key actors that we're targeting through this report. And so with this in mind and with the recommendations here, I really invite you to read the report to reflect on the recommendations and to identify what you could do within your role, within your network and your advocacy for Stockholm Plus 50 and beyond this year to really push to get more finance and decision making to the local level. We will come back to the report during the discussion. But for now, I'd really like to invite Eureka Orkusen, the lead policy specialist for environment and climate change at CEDA, to provide some opening remarks before we turn to our speakers. Over to you. Thank you so much, Ebony. And I would really like to start by thanking IID for the close collaboration on the excellent report, which is formally launched today. And the report is totally in line with CEDA's vision, every person's right and opportunity to live a decent life and leave no one behind. I think that conclusions in the report will guide and strengthen our work ahead, not least from a rights based approach. And we all know that challenges to attaining sustainable development are significant in their conflicts and often interlinked. And that is why we are instructed to integrate five central perspectives throughout the Swedish Development Corporation, the perspectives of people living in poverty, gender equality and the human rights based approach and also environment and conflict perspective. In this case, I think the human rights based approach is essential when we talk about locally led action with assuring participation, inequality and transparency, accountability in everything we do. And this goes for all our work beyond just environment and climate change at CEDA. And we will definitely look at the recommendations in the report directed at us as donors from this perspective. And I sincerely hope that governments and multilateral development banks and global funds who have the power to drive change through support for local level decision making over resources and finance do the same. But I would like to also say some words on Stockholm Plus 50 since it is around the corner and very relevant for this work. CEDA sees Stockholm Plus 50 as an important opportunity for our partner organizations to demonstrate and discuss solutions that will help us reach the target set out under agenda 2030 and the Paris Agreement. And for our partner countries to explore ways to achieve the same goals, including ways to access increased finance. And the decade of action, Ebony mentioned that cause for accelerating sustainable solutions to all the world's biggest challenges, ranging from poverty in general to climate change inequality and closing the finance gap. And already in 2019, the UN Secretary General called on all sectors of society to mobilize for a decade of action on three levels, global, local and people action to generate unstoppable movement pushing for required transformations. And CEDA works to contribute to the Addis Ababa Action Agenda on Development Financing. And I think we need to make sure that public financing is catalyzing large scale climate and nature financing from all sources, not least the private sector. And the report we will discuss today is important in this context and also related to the need for financing to reach the local level and to have local actors in the driving seat. Then I would just also like to mention some words on the principles for locally led adaptation that CEDA signed just before COP26 and that are mentioned in the report. And CEDA provides core support to IID and has in this way also contributed to the development of eight principles for locally led adaptation and supports them. And these eight principles have been fundamental components of Swedish Development Corporation for a significant period of time already. And we are supporting various locally led adaptation initiatives and committed to facilitate inclusive locally led adaptation and nature finance in vulnerable contexts. And the endorsement of the principles for locally led adaptation has proven a very important step in this direction. And supporting other actions to move forward in this area is important, really important for us. And we are heavily involved in the work as an example by OCD DAC where we support the joint efforts between environment and government to thematic networks where the recent focus has been on how localization happens in the adaptation domain and to what extent it has resulted in effective inclusive and durable agreements for localized adaptation governance. But we also support various programs important to mention in this context. Just to give you one example. We do in cooperation with the World Bank support government of Kenya in an initiative financing locally led climate action called Flocka. And it is actually the first national scale and model of devolved climate finance. But there are many more that I won't go into here, but I would be happy to share experiences from those later on today or outside this event. But we see really the ordered need to do more for outreach to local level with active participation and ownership from local actors, such as local governments, but also local communities. And our experience tells us and this report I think demonstrates that active involvement and participation at the local level creates better and more long-term results. But we also need to face the risks and challenges in decentralization processes where ownership is key and systems might not always be in place. And it can be those in greatest needs that who can't absorb money in the way foreseen. So that also needs to be debated, discussed and looked at. And I think all actors need to have more of a local level lens and the institutional frameworks at national, regional and global levels are important in this work. All these different actors need to put on that local lens in the work ahead. And at CEDA we have lots of tools and possibilities at hand since we work with bilateral, regional and thematic strategies, not the least through our global strategies, but also through our civil society strategies. And I'm sure that we can learn and improve our work when cooperating with other donors and also other actors in this work to constantly improve. And I am convinced that the report we will discuss today with its recommendations that Ebeni just went through will help us all with our different roles and responsibilities to move in the direction of exploring the role of locally led action for people, nature and climate and propose recommendations for governments and multilateral development banks and global funds to drive change through this support for local level decision making over resources and finance and not the least at Stockholm plus 50. So really looking forward to the discussion we will have today. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, Eureka. That was such a great opening remark. There's so much that you touched on that I'd like to explore and maybe we'll do that a little bit later once we bring you back into the Q&A. But I also did really want to highlight your point around climate finance providers, including governments, facing the risks and challenges that come with the types of things that we're talking about around decentralizing finance and decision making to the local level. And hopefully we can touch on that a little bit more shortly. And certainly both CEDA and the Netherlands who are on this call are endorsers of the principles that you're referred to. And indeed, you know, the support that that we and others received from CEDA were fundamental to developing the principles themselves. So we'll get the chance to talk about that a little bit more later today. But thank you so much, Eureka. So with that, folks, I'd like to move us into the next phase of this discussion. And it is honestly just such a delight to have two speakers now to talk to us about their experiences working with local communities, really pushing for more locally led action in their own contexts. I would first like to invite Esther Panunia, Secretary General of the Asian Farmers Association for Sustainable Rural Development to speak on the importance of getting finance to the local level, including sports, small scale men and women farmers in Asia. Over to you, Esther. Thank you, Ebony. And good morning to everyone. And we thank the organizers of this event in inviting us to share our perspective here. And thank you, Ebony, for that very important question. And we can firmly and categorically say it is very, very important to get money down to the local level, because the actions, the very important actions are done at the local level with people who are key stakeholders whose very lives depend on the situation and conditions of their environment. We all know that family farmers rely on agriculture for a living, and agriculture relies heavily on weather and climate, on nature, our lands, terrain, soils, waters and forests, on biodiversity, and unpredictable weather patterns, terrible typhoons, droughts, salinity, environmental degradation, poor soil health, biodiversity loss. All this has seriously and negatively impacted on our yields and harvest, and therefore our incomes, our health and nutrition, and even our sense of dignity as farmers. That is why the poorest and hungriest people in the world are those in the rural areas and rely on agriculture for a living. And since family farmers produce as much as 80 percent of food globally, and small-scale women and men farmers contribute to as much as 32 percent of the world's food, the negative impact in our production capacities further contribute to the weakening food security in our societies. And then the inequities that the current food system brings, whether it be in production, processing, marketing, trading and consumption of food, has made family farmers feel disempowered. But family farmers, especially collectively through our associations, organizations, groups and cooperatives, we are key actors. As farmers, our multifunctionality allows us to act holistically on various relevant aspects of sustainable development. We produce most of the world's food, in particular the food consumed by the rural and urban poor. We preserve biodiversity, we manage natural resources and ecosystems, we preserve and share traditional knowledge, and we contribute to the resilience of people and ecosystems. Let us cite several examples. Last year, the FAO's Forest and Farm Facility has enabled us to facilitate the establishment of 10 national and national young farmers committees in 10 countries who in turn developed their strategic plans, which included advocacy for pro-young farmers' legislation, as well as to provide small funds to start up selected small businesses. In Cambodia, 22 young vegetable producers were given training on marketing, and as a result, have increased their incomes by selling their organic vegetables to a partner agriculture cooperative. And in Nepal, 18 young tea farmers were given training on Horty-Silvy Pastoral Integration System, and were given kiwi and tea seedlings, and the young farmers interact this with chili, cardamom, beans, and lentil, and they have also reported increases in income. In Philippines, 64 young farmers were trained on integrated, diversified, organic farming systems, and were encouraged to get vegetable seedlings from the government's Agriculture Office. The youth embarked on vegetable gardens, as well as native chicken racing within the rice farms, and have reported increased diversity and greener foods on their dining tables. Also, last year, one of the recipients of the Ramon Magsaysay Awards, which is the Nobel Prize Equivalent in Asia, was Mr. Roberto Ballon, or Ka Dodoy, as we know him. He is a fisher folk who, under his leadership, was able to organize first his co-fisher folks in his village, then later the fisher folks in his whole town, and he led them in planting mangroves for reforestation to increase the fish stock in their municipality. And they are now currently managing 500 hectares of fisheries resources that serve a shelter for the aquatic animals, and they have reported improved fish harvest for members from an average of 1.5 kilos per fishing trip of eight hours to as much as seven kilograms or like twice, twice as much of harvest in just in just three to five hours, or twice as less amount of time spent. Now, thus we are very happy with the report that is being launched today. It also confirms and supports a research report launched last year, which is CERES 2030, which recommended financing that empowers the excluded. And we all need these reports and researches that point to the effectiveness and efficiency of locally led actions by organizations and cooperatives of family farmers to provide more and better financing so that we can perform our key roles in transforming food systems and giving dignity back to family farmers. Back to you, Ebony. I hope I answered your question. You absolutely did, Esther. Thank you so much. I think you've really outlined the rationale for locally led action in the context of small-scale family farmers. And I really like your framing of returning dignity to these local actors. I think that's a really important point. Later on, perhaps it would be good to unpack a little bit about what you said around the funding that was provided to farmers and farming businesses to support legislative changes, access to market, access to markets, etc. Yeah, so I think it would be good to unpack a little bit more in the Q&A sessions. I think that links closely to some of the recommendations in the report and some of the emerging trends we're seeing as well in this space. So thank you. Thank you very much for highlighting that with us. I'd now like to turn to Simone Gillay-Misweli, the Senior Manager of the Youth Leadership Program at the Africa Wildlife Foundation. Simone Gillay will speak about the unique challenges that young people face in accessing finance for nature and some reflections on the COP15 finance discussions so far. So over to you. Thank you so much, Ebony, for the invitation and good morning everyone. It is known that young people today make up a very significant proportion of the world population. In Africa alone, it's estimated that about 70% of the population is under the age of 35. That is children and youth. And their commitment to climate action biodiversity is not questionable. We have seen it through advocacy efforts and we've seen it through restoration initiatives into recycling initiatives and so on. While they continue to do this work, there's a lot of challenges that they face and some of them are actually reflected in the report. One of them is that assessing finance is not simple, right? There's a lot of requirements and rightfully so that include that you have a registered organization have up-to-date bank accounts, financial statements, annual NGMs. These are all needed requirements but for a lot of youth networks on the ground which are often hard to meet. So basically from that step, you get in a situation where there are organizations doing tangible work on the ground but because they don't meet those requirements and there's no support mechanisms for them too, then they don't have access to the finance. In that way, they are in no position to compete with bigger established organization and they are often left to compete for other forms of funding which are usually relatively smaller in amount because they are put for youth organization. But another point for me in my experience with working with youth networks that makes it hard for youth to retain and use the funding without frustration is the one of protocols for accounting. I once worked in a project where we were supporting young people who are engaging in the post-2020 global biodiversity framework way early in 2019 where there were consultation meetings. Now in our context of where I was working, you don't have trains where you get an invoice that you took a train and can account for it. There's no flights for distances from one city to another. You are left with forms of transports that in South Africa we call it ikumbi, in Kenya they call it matatu. It's not a system where you booked online. You go first time, first safe. You can stop it anywhere in the road. You just raise your hand, you get it and you end. So things like that where you can't necessarily get an invoice and go back and say this is how the money was used in the accounting. So there is a need to adapt to some of these protocols and maybe if not adapting them to strengthen the national and local institutions to be able to find alternatives ways of accounting. And this is something that is also reflected in the report. But of course it's not all doom and gloom. We do have case studies or examples where youth networks have partnered with established organizations so that they co-apply for funding or they get hosted under the organization while that works in some instances of course there's power dynamics because it means the youth network does not have the sole power right of deciding how the resources are being used and so on. But we've also had partners that have adapted their systems to ensure that they're suited into the local level. So for me all of these experience are key to take into account the COP 15 of the CBD is going to be setting the tone for how we do conservation and find conservation going forward and must reflect all of these things. It's a key milestone but of course it's not the only one. The Stockholm Plus 50 that we are in is one of those platforms. There's going to be other platforms coming in in November and so on. So it's very important that these platforms start aligning with this reality of the need to get funding to the ground and recognizing the challenges and the different contexts that exist everywhere in the world and specifically in Africa, the region where I come from and I've had experience of working with youth from different countries. So thank you so much Ebony. Thank you so much Simangile. I think you touch on such important points there, particularly this access piece. I think what stood out for me from what you described is that not only is it challenging for young people to access the finance. Once they have access to the accounting, the reporting, etc. is a big challenge as well. It's not set up necessarily to reflect the local context and I think that's a really great connection to one of Eurica's earlier points around sort of looking at the systems and processes and working out where the challenges might be in those in terms of delivering the funding. So thank you very much for your reflections. So folks we're going to now do a quick audience poll before we move to hear from our third final speakers, our three final speakers sorry. I'd like you to reflect on what you've heard Esther and Simangile mention just now and Juliet I don't know if it's possible to get the poll up for people to have a look at. What we would really like you to share with us is your thoughts on where you think leaders need to prioritize their efforts in terms of delivering or moving towards greater support for locally led action. I want to caveat this by saying that the five recommendations need to all happen hand in hand it's not a sort of shopping list that you can people choose. We need to kind of see traction against all of these areas but as we move further through the decade of action and particularly over the next one or two years I'd be really interested to see where people think that leaders should initially prioritize some of their efforts in order to really strengthen that agency and decision making over finance for local actors. So I will leave this here just for a moment and I also say that your choices here will inform the framing of our side event next week at Stockholm plus 50 where we'll get much deeper into some aspects of the report. So very much look forward to seeing what comes through and see we've got a few well it's looking back balanced actually believe it just 10 more seconds until everyone's had the chance to respond. I think we've probably stabilized our responses. Okay so what I was hoping at this point is that there might be one or two standouts but actually as you can see there's it's fairly even across the board though actually I mean there is obviously a frontrunner which is this point around strengthening investments in national and local institutions and I think that was you know very much aligned to what Esther was saying before as well so it would be good to return to that point in the Q&A session after our next three speakers have spoken. So folks thank you very much for answering that poll and do keep your questions coming in the Q&A function and if there are questions that you've already seen put in there please upload those if you'd like to see those answered. So we're now going to move to our three speakers from government, from global funds and from multi-lateral development banks. We've heard from Esther and Samongali a number of things around you know really the rationale for locally led action around improving access to looking at the systems and how they can be more reflective of local circumstances. We are very lucky to have three leaders with us today from government and institutions who are really doing some great work to shift more support behind locally led action and I just want to say that this isn't easy and there's no silverboard so their efforts and their experiences are really critical to hear and to reflect on throughout this journey. We're going to hear from each of them including their response to what they've heard so far but also where they're seeing some of the positive changes within their organizations in terms of the shift towards more locally led action. So we'll first invite Terrence Hay-Evy who's the program advisor for the Jeff Small Grants program implemented by UNDP. Terrence, great to have you here and over to you. Thank you so much Avenue for the opportunity to address the audience today. So along with the Stockholm plus 50 anniversary this year another key milestone is the 30th anniversary of the GF. So 1992 was the year in Rio when the various reconventions and the Jeff as the financial mechanism came into being and we'll be celebrating over the next six months many of the achievements of the Small Grants program which roughly reflects a total investment of a close to a billion dollars from the GF which is about four percent for projects which are really at the local level that are through NGOs, through youth, through indigenous peoples, women led projects and so on in 133 countries but I think the really interesting thing in relation to the report is if we go back to 1992 the debate at the time with the donors was you know can these local actors can civil society make a difference for the the big challenges of the of the different global environmental problems of biodiversity and climate change and so the SGP started as a pilot program in 35 countries for to see whether these CSO led actions would be successful and I think what's been really fascinating to see is that although this financial mechanism goes to local actors non-government actors it's been the interest from governments to participate in the program which has increased steadily over the years to the point that now the the governments that don't have a program are quite keen to catch up and participate and one of the reasons for this is outlined in the report so the reference to building trust through downward accountability and devolving decision-making to the lowest appropriate level is exactly what the SGP has done so for example all of the grants that that are approved through SGP are done at the national level through a multi-stakeholder national steering committee with a non-governmental majority with with youth focal points gender focal points indigenous peoples involvement and and with the also with the involvement of of the government but this is a shared decision-making at the national level and and we can even go further down to the municipal or the landscape level to to get proposals so I think this speaks to one of the key points in the report the use of national languages to facilitate access to finance has been another principle that since Mangeli was talking about we've also experimented with taking risks with other formats for for grant making including participatory video and oral proposals and monitoring using photo technologies and things like that so I think it this question of the risk appetite of of donors to work with local actors is a very critical point we can discuss in this panel there's often a perception that there are higher risks because of the maybe inability to report on results and I think where UNDP is now heading in terms of its local action work is to review the the way in which these demand-driven programs can take calculated risks in terms of the fiduciary checks and balances to work with local actors where not everything is codified in the project document before you start a project so in a demand-driven program you need to see a certain emergence of of the types of results that you want to see so not everything can be put in the log frame beforehand and so the direction that UNDP is going is towards looking at that systems design and then looking at how experimentation can really address some of these wicked sustainable development problems that the the solution isn't always obvious from an expert-led lens but if you crowd in through experimentation with with multiple different local actors it is likely that you will you will reach a solution to some of those harder to solve problems so I'll stop there Ebony and hand it back to you thank you very much brilliant thanks so much Terrence some really practical examples there of how to adjust systems to be more accessible applicable locally contextual which I think is really fantastic and really heartening as well to hear your direct experience of seeing an increase in different climate finance providing governments etc wanting to work with you and the SGP to get more finance to local level I think that's really fantastic it would be great to get your reflections perhaps later on why you think that is so that we can perhaps help move that even along further thank you very much Terrence I'm not going to hand over to Dora Kujo who is a senior operations officer and program coordinator for stakeholder engagement at the climate investment funds Dora I'll just hand straight over to you if you could take us through your reflections that would be fantastic thank you thank you very much Ebony and congratulations to the IED for the successful timely launch of this report which summarizes the primary issues underlining the need to provide indigenous peoples and local communities the ones who are actually transforming the face of climate action at the local community level the space to do what they do best as you mentioned I worked with the climate investment funds and over 10.5 billion multilateral funds that was established in 2008 during what we call the the financial fuel and food crisis under the guidance of the G8 and G20 leaders to drive a mechanism or a funding mechanism that enables middle income and low income countries to push for climate resilience and low carbon development pathways and so in 2008 we had four key programs clean technology renewable energy sustainable forest management and pilot program for climate resilience formed formed at the right time to at the moment supporting seven to two countries with over 400 investment programs globally specifically way back in 2008 resonating with some of the key messages that we are hearing this morning or this afternoon that what we call the dedicated grant mechanism was established under the leadership of indigenous peoples and local communities under the sustainable forest management program so a 766 million program um within that 80 million was carved as I said under the leadership of indigenous people and local community leaders to support deploying their knowledge and capacity in directly supporting climate action and since then 12 countries are benefiting and are able to support over 600 operations with 250,000 community beneficiaries what is key about the dedicated grant mechanism I would say that the key recommendations or the key issues that have been identified from this report resonate clearly with what led to the formation of the dedicated grant mechanism which is one to create the space for convening indigenous people and local communities providing them the platform to showcase their their leadership in technology or should I say locally led technology based approaches in advancing climate action what is also unique about the dedicated grant mechanism is that it's um somewhat picking on the key element that Terrence mentioned that it's also driving community led governance which is here giving the power into the hands of indigenous people and local communities to be able to prioritize their needs to be able to support implementation of key first conservation by first conservation and biodiversity needs and also their livelihoods and most importantly to be able to effectively monitor the actions and be able to effectively report on these which has been found to be critical to informing policies and decisions around climate action it's also critical that decisions are made at the local level there's a decentralized mechanism that ensures the communities are able to identify what is critical to them and they're able to use their own tailored tested technologies in addressing these in a much more cost effective and efficient manner it's also critical that as part of the dedicated grant mechanism there is that established capacity building here we're looking at tailored capacity building to meet the needs of the communities that are actually transforming the face of first conversation and biodiversity conservation um let me also um touch on a point that I'm semangling made about youth leadership as part of the dedicated grants mechanism and noting that intergenerational exchange of knowledge the program ensures that there's a fellowship designed to identify youth leaders from their local communities to take the mantle of availing themselves of capacity training leadership to be able to be the mantle bearers going forward it's also critical to note here um and I think um you already mentioned it that there's some risks related to the decentralization of um action on the ground and it's important to note here that from the um from the 10 years close to 10 years implementation of the dedicated grants mechanism there's that established space for ensuring that communities are able to make their own priorities when they're able to follow the decisions that they make and be able to monitor and report these and it's also critical that they be given the voice so the dedicated grant mechanism in addition to empowering communities at the local level is created platforms at the national level and at the global level to ensure that there's that lateral peer-to-peer exchange of knowledge across um different um IPLC or should I say indigenous people in local communities across the 12 countries that are benefiting and there's also that vertical exchange of knowledge such that they're not speaking to just themselves but they're also speaking to the ones who are making decisions at the global level in terms of um allocation of funds and in terms of policies transformative policies. Let me also make it a point here that has been um quite established that there's that room for scaling up such tested practices the dedicated grant mechanism was started as a pilot initiative with only 80 million dollars of course that has been able to make significant impact at the local level but here as this report clearly shows there's the need for scaling up and was quite impressed at the COP26 when a 1.7 billion pledge was made by private and public philanthropies to ensure that IPLCs indigenous people local communities can continue to inform decisions can continue to make impactful results in biodiversity conservation and forest restoration so it's quite expedient that such tested models that as I said have been designed by indigenous people in local communities have proven to have been a vehicle for transferring funds directly into the hands of local communities be giving the chance to scale up so I would indulge that from this conversation and banking on the key elements that have come out of this this study that the dedicated grant mechanism of course which is not the only vehicle available but it be seen as one that has really pushed the barriers on community led governance has pushed the barriers on decentralization of decision making empowering local communities and indigenous people and it's also demonstrated the capacity to be able to lead financial management which is critical that this DGM model be giving the space to further showcase its work it's also critical here that the every model be the SGP be the DGM further showcases the ability of indigenous people local communities to partner not work in silos but to partner with donors partner with climate funds partner with private sector multi sector organizations and so I would also want to conclude by saying that ensuring that they are giving this space to demonstrate their ability to manage finances manage decision making is critical to any conversation around the the support let me end on this note at the world first conservation the world first year congress I sat on a panel and I was quite humbled to learn from some of the IPLC leaders coming from different regions of the world that the three Rs are critical for any means of enhancing local level of IPLC leadership that every vehicle that is available should be should be able to give them the recognition recognition for the impactful result they're making in climate action they should be given the space for secured rights to lines which is critical for making any sustainable investment in forest conservation landscape restoration and then we need secured resources flexible reliable resources financing that is that enables them to scale up their leadership in climate action so let me stop here but very very privileged to be part of this conversation and happy that again from the little that I've been able to share with you some of the lessons garnet definitely are key to driving local leadership and that is the course of our meeting this morning thank you and back to you Ebony thank you so much Dora there's so much to unpack in what you've just shared with us and certainly from our perspective there's a lot to be learned from the DGM and the experience you've had for more than 10 years now and I particularly would like to come back to towards the end this point around your experience with really investing in building capabilities at the local level according to needs and how that might have transferred transformed your relationship with different local actors over the years that the DGM has been running I think that also touches very much on Terrence's point around downward accountability as well but yeah fantastic Dora thank you so much folks we have one final speaker and then we'll move into the Q&A session if you have a question for any of our speakers please pop it into the Q&A function not into the chat function so I can capture it in the Q&A session but I will now hand over to our last but certainly not least speaker Omer van Rentehem a senior policy advisor for water and environment in the inclusive green growth department at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands to share his reflections some of the positive trends that he is seeing and then we will move into the Q&A Omer over to you thank you very much and a very rich presentations and it's always difficult to be the last so I would like to focus a bit more on our operational part in the project not at the general low global level and come up and link it to the recommendations made in the report and I would call it in three teams invisible identify and implement first invisible what is important when we monitor climate finance we monitor the finance and not the LLA side that's typical for I think a lot of organization and I think LLA is invisible so for instance in our program that we supported in Burundi an agricultural productivity program there was a strong pip approach and pip stands for integrated farmer planning and when we looked at it a couple of months ago we said this is local climate adaptation this is climate security but we label it as food security program so it is not visible as locally led adaptation it's not treated as such and we look at it from within our silos and I think what is invisible lacks recognition and does not get climate finance because it's not labeled as a locally led adaptation type of resilience activity it shows I think how important it is to create awareness on this locally led adaptation in our silos if you want to mobilize finance it starts there and I think that is recommendation five which is very clear we need to train our staff across our silos on applying LLA that brings me to identify yet if you don't know what LLA is how can you identify or appreciate it and sometimes I see that our evaluations help for instance in our water program when the evaluators of our program concluded in 2017 the management of water activities is very strong but the local involvement is very weak so try to do something about it so we started thinking and this resulted in reversing the flow program that started last year and is now identifying areas and organizations to work with at the local level and our aim is to build on existing multi-stakeholder cooperation in landscapes and catchments and support local communities with their plans including providing finance to these local plans based on local decision-making and providing also a broader longer-term perspective of at least of 10 years so that's why we are piloting and that's I think great recommendation one increase the quantity and pilot with it and I think it's also the DGM that has a lot of for us to learn on this key will be in this sense a hub a hub as a kind of civil society community-based organization in the region that organize and support the stakeholder initiative so that's providing a platform recommendation four we want to pilot with that and the big challenge and I heard it before is the accountability how to do this recommendation three which is here how can you really get access to finance and here I think for us there's a lot to learn and I like to share with the previous speakers the experience that they have so that we can better identify how to apply LLA in practice the last the third implementation let me briefly tell you a bit about our recent plans that we want to work on in relation to our existing programs first we have 25 strategic partnerships at consortia of NGOs and CSOs under the name of power of voices they focus on lobby advocacy at several levels and they all work within local communities and organizations on the IPLC but and nine of these partnerships work on justice the just climate action on food security and sustainable value change but only in one of these consortia five of the six organizations have endorsed the LLA principles we think there's an enormous group of organizations that we can link to these LLA principles so you want to facilitate us peer learning among all these organizations that we are already working with in strategic partnerships to strengthen this build a group of support that is like a critical mass and we hope that this will bring local level and create a stronger voice from the local level to our climate diplomacy and climate funds managers so testing in fact recommendation to accreditation of IPLC organizations might be part of it the second action we are working on is an environmental assessment facility for local organizations so that they can apply for financial support to participate effectively in formal environmental assessment process in their country because from work we did with WWF and IUCN we learned that it's very effective to get the voice of civil society at the local level being part of the formal programming and I think it's with testing recommendation five institutional strengthening and it's using the league the legal frameworks in the countries and we hope that this might result in planning that can then up in NDCP's being eligible eligible for climate finance it's experiment we just started and the last one is I think the experience we have with landscape programs that is quite fast and here the challenge is bring it together with the LLA community that's what we're going to do because the LLA community and the landscape communities according to what we see are two different communities if they are stronger united if they work together we think we build a stronger case for financing by donors mdbs and private finance so this range of invisible identify and implement brings me to a positive change which I see across donors to direct more influence and control to the local level but first a critical mark on the report the report deals with nature people nature and climate but water one of the most vital ecosystem services is overlooked in this report and why do I say this because this weekend I was at a first meeting of the global commission on the economics of water that the Netherlands convened and that is pro going to produce an independent review of the economics of water an important new scientific insight that came up last weekend was the rapidly changing global hydrological cycle and this is threatening threatening to human well-being resilience of local societies in the face of these rising shocks they will tackle this they will produce the report and societal dialogues and an agenda for action to be presented at UN 2023 water conference in New York next year and I am sure the call for local action bill we a strong one on that conference thank you very much thanks Omar it's so it's so refreshing to sort of hear your your approach to really looking internally and seeing what you can do as a donor to really support locally where the action how you're looking at your different programs your activities and also wanting to share that peer-to-peer learning both with other governments but also with other organizations that you work with I think that's really fantastic and it's a good point that water is not a strong feature of this report I think as we move this conversation forward we will want to start collecting more and more case studies of where locally led action to support water security etc at the local level is is much stronger so let's work together on that and make sure that we capture that important message particularly as you say heading into the conference next year so fantastic thank you very much for that folks we've heard from our five fantastic speakers we've got a number of questions that are coming through in the Q&A box which are really excellent what I would like to do is invite all of our speakers to come back on to camera and to back on into this virtual plenary so we can commence the Q&A session for today what I would like to do is in a moment give the space to Simone Gehle and Esther to come back in and to pick up any key points that they've heard through the three speakers that have just come but before I do that I think what might be helpful is to turn to a couple of the questions that have come through in the Q&A function I think in particular Terence I can see that you've already answered a couple of them which is super great I wonder if you could particularly reflect on perhaps Claire Shackier's question I realized Claire is one of the authors of the report around I guess what proportion of your funds are dispersed in the ways you described around the innovation around applications for grants and monitoring what some of those barriers are and also as well if there's a place where you're starting to share those messages both within the Jeff or UNDP or elsewhere Terence if you come in on that that will be fair yeah so in terms of the the formats for proposals obviously written proposals for legal reasons are still required in terms of signatures but I think the and I put into the into the answer in the chat box there the the technologies are now really rapidly evolving to the point that for example in the small island developing states context for remote outer islands monitoring projects through you know photo monitoring with with smartphones is increasingly cheap and and easy so I think that the the necessity for having say a written report can be you know reviewed last year at the IUCN World Conservation Congress we were talking about other ways of of you know certifying these types of reports maybe even types of sort of blockchain type things are coming on on on stream but the point that Oma was raising about aggregation of small projects at the landscape level is something I'd really like to stress so in UNDP we've tried various models to have multiple small grants for protected areas for socio-ecological production landscapes with different donors with Japan through their leadership in the CBD with the Satyama initiative and I think one of the big challenges and then this links to Esther's point about working with small farmers is is how do we aggregate the scale for this missing middle of finance it will be often here at the UN Permanent Foreign Indigenous issues or similar events that small grants are all well and good but how do farmers access this sort of next level of the finance how do indigenous peoples access the green climate fund so the the in your report there's a reference to enhanced direct access this is something I think that last year during the Gobbishana conference that IED organizes with various networks we had a panel on the way the adaptation fund works with the national entities like in Micronesia the Micronesia Conservation Trust so I think these types of sort of mid-level institutions at the national level that are staffed by nationals from those countries that have sometimes risen up through the CSO capacity building provides a type of scaling effect where where finance can go from the small to the medium to and eventually in UNDP we're looking at blended finance of course to de-risk other forms of of you know non-grant based finance which is very needed for farmers and for other production landscape contexts and so how do we do that at the landscape level is something that I totally concur with OMA that this is something the CBD is looking at so I'll stop them and I see lots of hands thanks everybody. Thanks Sarah and there's actually quite a few questions coming in on I guess advice that you or others might have to donors around adjusting some of these processes that you're obviously have thought through so far so we might try and get on to that a little bit later if we can but for the moment I'd like to bring first Simone Gillet and then Esther in for some reflections from their side. Thank you so much I think I'll refer to the question on with the approaches that DGM and SGP have presented today are kind of what you need I would say although I'll have to read more into them I will say yes I will pick at specific information that they give that I thought is very powerful and is what is needed. Terrence touched the need what they're exploring and expanding the types of means of verifications or means of accounting that they are adopting and that is great because as mentioned sometimes what is the mainstream way does not work in the particular context and this is and this is good I know earlier on I made an example with a very tiny example which is about transportation but this goes sometimes even with big apertures when you need to buy equipment for a project communities tend to have a very skilled people who can produce the quality that you need but it's just a local mama or baba in the village who does it so if you procure that equipment there is not that kind of an invoice that you get elsewhere so just adding to this example that it doesn't just extend it to simple things like transportation but things that include procurement of devices and and all of that so it's very great to see that today's that exploration of what other ways do we verify things without having to rule them out and say you know this doesn't count one point I will touch on that Dora mentioned was the one of what they do in capacity building and investing in leadership for me I think this is really key so often in the projects I've been involved in there's money for the hardcore activity itself but the reality is that the work is being done by people who can come with the skills that are needed but are not all around it and for me building the leadership of people is part of the sustainability plan because as a project years later as we've seen you leave so if you haven't built the capacity and this leadership that is needed locally for people to continue to operate beyond your presence there beyond your eye that is watching over how things are happening then we're not going to have sustainability where else the issues that we are dealing with are very intergenerational in in nature they are not solved by one generation so I will say yes these are responding to some of the challenges especially with the two examples that I've given and I look forward to engaging more with these partners and seeing how how that goes and we share lessons so thanks brilliant thank you so much I'll hand straight over to Esther at this point please go for her thank you very much Ebony and it was very interesting and very promising to hear from our three experts and what they are proposing are I think good also to explore but let us share what is our key ask to finance providers to help finance flow to the local level for small scale farmers in Asia so two weeks ago I was at the world forestry congress in Seoul, Korea and in one panel session on rural financing I met the woman leader of a national community forest user association she said that during the design phase of a proposal to be submitted by the government to the GCF their organization was involved in the consultation process with their leaders providing inputs into the design but after that they have not heard about the project they just read in the papers that it was approved and implementation is starting without them getting involved so we got to think we are concerned not only with the money but where will the money flow and who decides what to do with the money thus our key ask is direct financing to farmers organizations as part of a window window in the bigger window for climate financing and the inclusion of farmers organizations and cooperatives in the governance and implementation structures of financing institutions and of project design and implementation processes good models in the governance structure exist like in the global agriculture and food security program with three CSO representatives and its steering committee and with some funding given to them to do its mandate with its constituencies the FFF advisory committee the e-fund farmers forum processes with grant window for producer and farmers organizations one possibility we are exploring is the establishment of a farmers resiliency trust funds that can be managed by experts in banking and finance but also with representatives of farmers organizations in its steering committee we want to the risk investments and we ask that public capital be used to the risk investments into agroecology and regenerative business models and the risking means supporting farmers organizations and cooperatives at global national and local levels to be strong institutions they can partner with public development banks they can serve as loan guarantors and business development specialists we can partner with governments so we can be service providers and act as advocates who can study and make policy proposals and submit policy proposals upon due consultation with the local people and with donors and development partners like here in this round table we can continue organizing federating and building the social awareness of farmers about their rights and as what Simangali said building their capacities as key stakeholders in climate climate change actions as a proposed shift in mindset we ask that everyone treat farmers through their organizations and cooperatives as equal partners not just beneficiaries not just victims but as equal partners at the heart and center of the transformation process for sustainable development give us adequate financing to do our work as service providers as responsible citizens and stakeholders in our country and in our communities thank you brilliant thanks Esther and thanks Simangali oh that's brilliant Dora I was going to bring you in actually on on this point around I guess investing in building the capacities of communities but also sometimes at the national level to really push for stronger support for locally led action you mentioned that the DGM has been doing this since its inception and I wonder if there's some reflections that you can have that you could share on your experience in how you did that but also I guess the the benefits that you and others are seeing in terms of investing at that local level because as I think it was Simangali was saying it's not just about funding the activity itself it's about building local leadership supporting local governance etc so Dora I don't know if you can come in and share some reflections on that absolutely thank you so much and I really appreciate the point that Simangali has made and also a quote by Esther clearly as I said the model that the dedicated grant mechanism model ensures that local communities are able to identify their own capacity gaps as opposed to some funding agency or donor agency coming in to give them what what they think is it no but the deal is to help them identify what their gaps are and to provide tailored solutions that meet their specific needs for example and the Ghana dedicated grant mechanism it was communities found it's critical to be availed of agroforestry and climate smart cocoa practices which is of course dovetailing other experiences and lessons from countries that are also doing say shade cocoa plantations and other value chain addition so it was specifically specifically to their needs in Brazil there was a specific look at the red plus and the indigenous people and traditional communities so designing analytical work capacity training that's response to that need and at the global level it's also critical to be looking at issues on stakeholder mapping which is becomes essential in terms of even being able to identify the categories of stakeholders that are critical to decisions at the local national and global level again with their dedicated grant mechanism the design ensures that communities are able to first of all as I said identify what they need but most importantly get the resources and the training to respond to that particular need it's also important for me to mention here that when it comes to that inclusivity agenda we are not only looking at men versus women but being able to respond to the specific gender needs and if I may quickly pick on a value that was noted in the report that 20 percent was recognized as women's inclusion but here with a grant mechanism and by being able to respond to local needs we realize that women are actually the number of women participating in training have actually increased and at the moment we can mention 24 percent that also projects have been awarded to women led initiatives and the women comprise 25 percent of the national steering committees as in the groups that are making priorities and decisions at the local level to even better support this we've also been able to carry out specific studies within the climate investment funds that looked at the traditional knowledge and technologies and their contribution to climate solutions and also studies specifically the role of women as even being the custodians of traditional knowledge ensuring that they're well empowered and well able to transfer this knowledge laterally and vertically so again each country using their own national steering committee national and security agency model are able to prioritize their own needs and most importantly are able to maximize use of the available resources and provided them to be able to plug into those capacity gaps and which we have identified as extremely critical to sustaining project results beyond the DGM window within the SIF we're also looking at scaling up after 10 years of implementation it's critical that within our nature people and climate program a new program that is building on our sustainable forest management and climate resilience work we are again ensuring that we keep the DGM as a viable vehicle for continued provision of direct financing to local communities to support their technology local community led actions in climate so Ebony let me stop there I believe there are more questions that we could touch on thank you that's brilliant thank you so much Dora I actually just want to stay quickly with you and Terence if that's okay and then I'll move to Omer and Eureka I'm quite keen to get your thoughts just very briefly on so obviously the SGP and the the DGM all the acronyms are a kind of component of the work that UNDP, Jeff and SIF have and of course the UNPC that you mentioned as well Dora I wonder if you're seeing appetite in some of the other funds and programs that you also engage with across your institutes to also move towards more locally led approaches Terence I wonder if you can reflect from the UNDP side and then Dora just quickly on the SIF side as well yeah so the short answer is yes that UNDP is trying to build on the experience with the GF to really build more of these local action components into the portfolio of larger projects whether it's for climate or ecosystems biodiversity or energy so I'll give you one example the right energy partnership which is a an initiative of indigenous peoples under the the high-level political forum on the SDGs identifying their own energy solutions which are things to do with micro hydro and solar and biogas and things which approaches which they design themselves which are not necessarily defined by experts from the outside and this is this is critical in terms of the point about you know where you know what is expertise you know is it something that can you design a project in a very nice log frame but then find out that it's not culturally appropriate so this question of of the deep listening so in UNDP we're moving towards these in the role of UNDP on integration of the SDGs and accelerator labs for the SDGs to really find ways of listening to the culturally appropriate solutions once you've done that I think then the question of the scale and the finance that Esther was talking about if you know the farmer associations in Asia are grouping at the landscape level or the indigenous peoples have identified their micro hydro solutions then the next question would then be how do you then blend and de-risk these other so in short basically we're trying to find ways of integrating components of demand driven locally led you know solution mapping into these bigger projects rather than treat them like a like a bank investment where everything is written in the ledger and I think the Green Climate Fund is one of the target funds globally that indigenous peoples are looking at for something a little more flexible along these lines so back over to you Ebony thank you. Thanks Terence that's really fantastic to hear and really exciting actually Dora do you have reflections on the same question? Absolutely definitely one thing that quite stands out is that for the climate fund investment funds we are always exploring spaces for partnering with the other funds and therefore creating that level ground for continued learning continued exchange continued building on the lessons and experiences so yes there is a room for us to further cross fertilize I would also want to note that as I mentioned within the CIF itself we are scaling up with the new programs and Terence if I may also touch on a point that you made from our continued dialogue with indigenous people in local communities globally we understand one more that yes there's it's not only in sustainable forest management but there's room for looking at renewable energy integration opportunities that further provide space for local communities to take on and run with so yes there's room for expanding the scope for where indigenous people and local communities can lead in climate action beyond sustainable forest management beyond biodiversity conservation. I also wanted to quickly mention a point that Madam Esther made yes within the CIF's governance model we ensure that indigenous people and local communities alongside other non-state actors have a pivotal role in the decisions around priorities around allocation of resources and quite pleased that we have one farmer association leader from Bangladesh being one of our key leaders in helping advance our decisions and planning around sustainable forest management and our climate broader climate resilience agenda. So let me land on the point that yes we fully agree that there is space for cross fertilization with other funds and we always look out for such opportunities and Terence maybe I'll touch base with you after this but we are looking at how to even better establish some levels of partnerships around how the climate investment fund is supporting indigenous people and local communities and how that the GEF is also driving this business and whether there's room for that you know stronger force bilaterally so I'm happy to take this conversation further but thank you again Ebony let me pass it back to you. Thanks so much Dora so fantastic to hear from both of you these plans and certainly there's a lot of appetite to see this type of thing happen and expand across your institute so yeah wish you the best of luck with the efforts that sound fantastic. I want to now switch gears and bring in our government representative so I'm mindful that we've only got nine minutes left in the event and I do want to leave a few minutes for some closing remarks. There's a great question that's come through on the Q&A function from Jodi and Wang and it's very much around the G20 and how to leverage the discussions and the priorities of Indonesia as the G20 president to really sharpen attention on getting finance down to the local level. I appreciate Sweden and the Netherlands aren't members of the G20 but I would invite you Eureka and Omer to reflect on if you think that there's a space to push for greater ambition for local election through processes like the G20 and I would also expand that question and just invite you both to I guess think through if there are certain things that you're doing within your governments to promote locally led action across your domestic departments as well thinking about people nature climate and of course water that Omer mentioned as well. Eureka I'll bring you in first. Thank you Ebony and what a rich discussion has been fantastic just to listen to what everyone presented just on that question on locally led action and possibilities to push that through G20 and other for I would say yes I mean there of course there must be room and there must be also been interest I believe in pushing that further. Now on your second question Ebony what was that? The second question was around I guess if CEDA are also working domestically within other other departments within the Swedish government to promote locally led action and really see that transition translate into domestic action within Sweden as well. Yeah so you mean in a broader context of Sweden yes we do and I think what is also interesting with at least how we work with Swedish Development Corporation is not only CEDA involved in the work we there are lots of agencies of course engaged in Sweden and also pushing for and supporting projects and locally led action and I was thinking of the work done for example by the Swedish Environment Protection Agency by the Swedish Energy Agency and others so I think it's just and when you ask that question it also reminds me of the importance I think as that CEDA has in terms of having continuing this dialogue also with the foreign ministry of course but also with other actors within Development Corporation not police civil society actors in Sweden and others so we have that broad engagement on locally led action as of Sweden broader than more than CEDA alone so yes yeah I'll leave it at that at this moment thanks brilliant fantastic Rika Omer same question for you well first regarding G20 I think yeah that is a perfect opportunity to have a push and Netherlands is present at G20 so I think this offers a good opportunity to bring it to the forum maybe use the adaptation champions group to prepare it and to bring a message there I think that's something to to convene and the second whether it's domestically I think there's there is in the in the let's say a renewal energy there's interest in the domestic locally led sphere it's a bit complicated sometimes and it's slow but it's it's now moving forward but also in the planning in the local planning I think there was a that's become a nation in the Netherlands because the local planning has been devolved to the local level but it needs to include let's say the the water and agricultural organizations and that is gradually moving to a new direction to have it's a stronger locally planning aspect but and that is that is growing so these are the areas where something is happening and I think yeah relating to our general programming I think it's it's important to to break the silos down and to have this this adaptation perspective being much more linked to the different programs because I see adaptation is something that is really linked to all these different aspects and that's the complication which I see is is is stopping friends also the finance because it's it's a bit related to different sectors and as long as it's sectoral finance you will forget to look at for example broader resilience perspective and I think that's we should make a strong case and I heard very interesting examples last last hour and I think there is really a lot to learn and let us share the learning and link this to this landscape because I heard that several times that that is kind of the the the entity the spatial entity where to look at because here people nature climate and water come together brilliant thanks oh man it's yeah it's really great to hear these two reflections from government as well both work you know silo busting as we as I used to call it when I was in Australian government working across different departments to really break down those silos and progress this action together and of course you know and my oversight I'm so sorry I overlooked that the Netherlands were part of the G20 discussions my apologies there but you also mentioned the champions group on adaptation finance which Sweden and the Netherlands are both part of there's also the task force on access to climate finance the number of other mechanisms that I think are starting to push um or turn the dial in the right direction um and can really support the greater uptake of locally led action um folks we are just about at the end of our time of our 90 minutes together before I hand over to Eureka to provide some brief closing remarks I just wanted to see if Esther or Simone Gilley would like to come in for any final comments just very briefly Esther Esther you go first and then Simone Gilley yes thank you Ebony this is really a very interesting conversation for our part in AFA we you know we are not uh very active in the COP processes because we really don't know how to get there and we felt that before agriculture was not in the agenda but now especially with with with the last COP and with the upcoming COP we know that agriculture is very back in the agenda and we really want to be very active also in the processes down at the local national and at the regional level so I'm really looking at the people here and we are hopefully we will have a short capacity building project on climate financing and how it can it can we can make it work at the local level with farmers so please if we could contact you in in a month or so to to give us some inputs and and um knowledge about how how we can unpack this and how we can understand this better for our own action we will appreciate it thank you yeah so from there apologies I think that was a great call to action for us all to stay connected and to share lessons support each other through this journey I think it's really important and let's definitely stay in touch um Simone Gilley yep thank you so much so from my side of this report covers a lot of experiences and thoughts that as youth and African CSOs in Africa have been mentioning but they were all all over the place so thanks to the team that puts it together because it gave it a more targeted um um um focus this is one of the points that through the African CSOs Bar Diversity Alliance that the African Right Life Foundation is secretariat of it's one of the points we've really been pushing for in the post 2020 so this is complementary to that work and I will end by saying um as youth organization we look forward not only to just being beneficiaries of these processes but to shaping the processes as well and being part of strengthening the national and local institutions for delivery of such finance and for efficient reporting brilliant thanks so much Simone Gilley we lost you just I think in your last two or three words but as you say um you know really getting rid of the terms like beneficiaries and and sort of moving towards more equal partnerships um in terms of driving locally led action really important thank you Esther and Simone Gilley particularly for your reflections today um Eureka you have the tough task of giving just a moment of closing remarks before I close this out so please come over to you thanks Stephanie I'll try to be quick and I think just to start with saying that the discussion today has given so much to uh to complement the report in terms of what's in there and how we can dig deeper into these uh issues one thing I was thinking of when when listening to everyone is of course the importance to learn between each other when it comes to uh well organizations that have spoken today but also donors and all actors in this because I think there's a lot in there that we can do uh with with sharing those experiences and concerns that we have um so that was just one key takeaway and then I think uh what was also brought up in in participatory methods is something that we also need to understand better demand-driven programs uh I think was Terence raising that uh that not everything is there beforehand and that you need to be allowed to experiment and have a systems approach in in tackling things this is something I was I'm going to be part of a session in Stockholm Foreign on Peace and Development this afternoon uh on Environmental Peace Building and that's something that will come up there and I think in other four as well the importance of daring as donors also to to allow partners to experiment and go as as as it develops kind of follow that and also another thing I took with me from today's discussion is is how it is so important to have communities identify what's important for them and also um and to be there and and and support that uh now and then also the importance of vertical dialogue I think that was another thing that came up and both horizontal and vertical that we need to think more broadly in in how to to um roll out dialogue with with each other and partners uh and also the implementation uh I think it was interesting to hear about landscape programming and other ways of working to have this happen in practice and also finally maybe just to say that yeah that there is a cross fertilization to be done between funds I think that's something also that that was something I took with me but also and not the least to have this what we talked about today as a platform for the discussion next week at Stockholm Plus 50 and so this has just been kind of the start of a of a bigger discussion to to come so thanks to IID for organizing it for Ebony to to moderating and also all who have spoken today so many thanks thank you so much Eureka um I'm going to close us out now I have nothing further to add to what you said Eureka it was a great summary of the discussion and you know as with all of these events we always wish that we had a whole day to really get into the nitty-gritty of some of these topics but I just want to say a very very big thank you to all of our speakers for your contributions for your honesty for your reflections during this discussion we will as Eureka said be convening a side event next week at Stockholm Plus 50 it will be hybrid so even if you're not physically in Stockholm Plus 50 for the meeting you will be able to join virtually so we'll make sure that we share those details if you'd like to register for that um otherwise I just want to thank Julia my my colleague at IID also for supporting logistics and tech for this event I've seen a few comments and questions um yes the reporting for this event will be shared with everyone who registered so please keep an eye up for that and do share it the recording and the report with my voice is going apologies do share the recording and the report with the networks and those who you think will be interested in these issues 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