 Intermittent fasting or fasting in general, terrible way to lose body fat. Look, for most of you want to lose weight, do not use fasting as a way to do so. Back in the day, we used to call that eating disorder. It doesn't work well long-term. Now here is what fasting is good for, detaching your addictions or attachments to food. So if you rush to food for anxiety, depression or because you're bored, sometimes fasting can help with that. It can help you break the chains. But when it comes to fat loss, there's much better, more sustainable ways to do so. How many people are you thinking to get pissed off with that one? Yeah. Well, you know, we still beat this to death a while back, but it's been a while. Did something, did you see something recently? Is like, it's still a thing. Yeah. People still talk about it as a way to lose weight. Um, I mean, when we were trainers, people, we used to call that skipping meals or you're not eating enough and not, and fasting with someone who's trying to do it to lose a lot of weight. Um, I mean, it could definitely work in the sense that it makes you eat less. But what ends up happening is you really push towards the relationship of on, off, and so it tends to look like starved binge, starved binge. And that's not a great sustainable, um, relationship with food. It just, in my experience with fasting and weight loss with people that I've worked with, it typically turns out not so great. Um, the only time fasting has been a great thing for people is when I've worked with people who are afraid to skip a meal because they're going to lose muscle or so they have to eat every two hours or something like that. And in which case fasting is great because it helps them kind of break those addictions or attachments. Uh, so it's more of like a, I don't know, like, it's very insightful and introspective and I, that's the biggest benefit I've noticed in my clients that have not abused it have noticed. Um, but yeah, it's still, it's still out there. I mean, I've, I just talked to one of my friends who, uh, I had to convince that, um, it was probably a good idea for them to, to probably include breakfast and you know, maybe like try more protein in the morning and like let's, let's work on that in terms of like regulating blood sugar and all that instead of just like cutting a whole meal out. And then his whole day was like focused on how much you could cram within this window of a few hours. And so it just became an obsession to where I just, I don't think people realize like the kind of strength and pull, um, you know, that leads towards, well, I mean, for thousands of years, fasting has been, uh, used in all, most all religions for detaching from worldly things. And so the problem is food is not one of those things that you're supposed to go without. And so utilizing it as a tool to go without food and, uh, you know, just to lose body fat, uh, for vanity reasons or potentially even health reasons, let's say if you're morbidly obese and you lose weight, it's just not a winning strategy. Uh, it took me a while to figure that out. I remember when it was starting to get really popular, I, I like many things, um, I love to either one, try it out myself, apply it to clients and then, and then get feedback. I found it the most useful for my, uh, bodybuilding community. Yes, exactly. The, and what I found was, uh, they suffered for this from the same, uh, you know, anxiety around food as I did, which is this idea of, oh my God, if I miss my meal, if I miss my protein bar, I'm going to lose muscle. I'm already shrinking. Yeah. And, and that fear of missing a meal and, uh, losing muscle. And, and there's a part of that, uh, because of your depleted and lower calorie, lower carbohydrate, uh, that gives you this, this feedback of, Oh, is that that's gotta be happening. I looked at myself two days ago before I fasted and I looked, my muscles looked all bigger and filled out. Now two days later, it looks like I lost five pounds of muscle, but all that is, is it's just not, they're not filled out. And so a lot of bodybuilders, bikini athletes struggle with that mental hurdle of allowing yourself to be okay with not eating for a couple of meals or a day. And so I found it best with using with those clients to teach them that, Hey, you're, you're okay. You're not going to lose. Yeah. There's also, there are some medical, uh, applications, uh, as well. There's always exceptions to the rule. Exactly. So like you have gut inflammation, fasting could be a good, uh, tool. There's been studies that show that fasting or something close or mimicking fasting, uh, can be, can be an adjuvant, uh, you know, therapy to chemotherapy for cancer. Um, uh, I like fasting for the people you said, Adam, and then the other people would be like, people have a really bad relationship with food where they reach for it when they're stressed or depressed or anxious and, and, uh, and then we've identified as time of day that this happens, like after work or whatever, then I'll have them fast during that. So they have to deal with what they're feeling and, uh, and then learn how to deal with it and manage it without using food as a drug, essentially. But for fat loss, terrible idea. It's not a sustainable approach. No, uh, it all, it typically leads to the restrict binge, uh, behavior. Um, it's just not a good strategy. I mean, I, you know, it's just in people who've gone through this process, we'll tell you that happened. Now what's going to happen is we're going to get negative comments from people who just started using it. Well, the get, yeah. Now how many times we get that? Oh, it's working for me for, for fat loss. Working means forever, right? Not, I lost weight, you know, last three months or something like that. Like, okay, well, let's stay with it and see what happens. Um, it's a great, it's a great tool for a lot of different things. I just think it's abused in our space for, uh, one of the worst ways to use it, which is for fat loss. There's a lot of, you know, another great place to use it. Um, we just got off a, a great call recently with, uh, Dr. Cabral and, um, you know, who did a bunch of lab results on each of us and we shared that with the audience. It hasn't gone live yet. It'll go live later. Um, and on there, we find out some of our, uh, food intolerances. And so here I'm about to start this kick where I'm going to eliminate a bunch of these foods. One way to kickstart that or move in that direction, our way would be to like fast for the next 24 hours. Essentially gives your, your gut and your immune system a break. Right. Cause what ends up. So like cool strategy for that. So there's a lot of little places I can see application for it. I just think that 80 to 90% of what's made it popular in the space is as a fat loss tool. I think that's most of the marketing has been around that. Most people that pedal it and sell it, attach supplements to it, uh, or have, uh, you know, those reasons behind it. I think it's, um, and I don't think it's best to use that way. In my experience with my clients, we haven't had a long term success utilizing as a fat. Yeah. Today's program giveaway maps, anabolic advanced. If you want to win, you got to do this. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. And if you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. Now everyone else maps, anabolic advanced is 50% off right now. There's two days left. The sale ends in two days. So if you're interested, you should probably act now. Go click on the link at the top of the description below. That's how you get the 50% off the new program maps, anabolic advanced. All right, back to the show. Speaking of that food sensitivity test, I don't want to give away the spoilers because we all did them and then they came back and, you know, Dr. Cabral told us what foods we were sensitive to. And I wasn't really surprised by mine. Uh, but boy, you, you both, you guys got some really bad news. The good news is the good news is you both, you can both continue to eat creatures of habit, nothing in there that is on the list. You're still good. Okay. Yeah. Thankfully, I know it's like it's very slim right now. But again, this is, this is just a good, it's good insights, a good challenge. It's good to know. So that way I can work actively in that direction. And then because there's a way you can heal and repair your guts. Not like it's a death sentence, you know, from all these foods. It's like, it's really, it's just like, this hasn't been benefiting you. And it's like deep down, you kind of know that, but also you just need an outside opinion sometimes, which is kind of rough. But yeah, there are still some options out there that, uh, you know, are, are on, on the list of like, okay, well, I guess I'm going to lean a little bit more in that direction, creatures of habit, the, the, their source of protein will actually do well for me. Yeah. Oatmeal for breakfast, oatmeal for lunch and oatmeal for dinner for boy. Hey, the, the, the just, the look on Justin's face when he got his, I felt really bad. I, I really had a bad day. I'm not, I'm not even the guy that like ever gets depressed or like feels like all like, you know, and I just, I just felt, I felt it. Like, you know, just kind of creep it. And I'm like, no, you know, I just, I sat downstairs for a minute there and I was just like, it just kind of hit me a little bit. And I was like, Oh, I know I felt so bad. So I was really surprised by any of mine. Although what I will say I was surprised at was that when I started to really pay attention to all of my choices today, I don't think I was accounting for all the times that I would allow those foods to creep into my diet. Does not really pay attention. Yeah. Because I'm, because I'm being very vigilant about it now. And I was like, Oh yeah, normally I would go grab that. Or Oh yeah, this would be a time when I do that. I'm like, Oh, there's another, that's another one. Oh, that's another one. It's like, hmm, maybe it's been a while meal for me. Yeah. Maybe it's been a while since I've not allowed my gut to fully heal by just purely or at least start the healing process by avoiding these things that my body's intolerant to. So I'm, I'm excited. I'm excited. I know Cabral said give it 21 days. I'm going to give it at least a month is what I'm going to do. Just, just, and I've already started started yesterday. So I'll keep everybody posted on my, I mean, I'm, I'm for me selfishly, it's about my psoriasis. I want to get to the bottom of that. I have a sneaky feeling that this is not going to completely solve it, that I'm going to have something else that I'm also going to have to probably. Well, probably the root cause of why you've got the food intolerances is what you'll have to eventually treat. Yeah. You know, I remember, you know, because this is, this is all hat for me. I mean, I deal on and off with gut issues for, it's been now, gosh, it's been 14 years and that there was a period there. It was really intense. And I remember when I got my first food sensitivity test back and it was everything I liked, everything I liked was on there. And I remember looking at it and being in disbelief and then being like, I have to cut like all those things out. Like this sucks. Like, what am I going to do? And, oh, this is terrible. Like gluten is a good example. I know this now, but I didn't know then that gluten is in lots of things that you wouldn't expect. You expect bread and pasta. Okay. Do you know how many barbecue sauces and marinades and shit like that they put gluten into, to thicken it up? It's ridiculous. And I remember at the time I was eating these chicken breasts I was buying that were in these marinades. And the person I was working with says, did you check to see if there's gluten? I'm like, gluten, it's not, there's no bread. She goes, read the, read the back. And I looked at it and I'm like, what the hell? Oh, there's gluten in this. You get in there all the time. Dairy's another one. Yeah. Dairy's another one. That's what I'm going to do. Dairy is not just in cheese and in milk. Yeah. Potato chips. You could buy potato chips that are like barbecue. It's not even like a sour cream and onion or whatever. Read the back. Dairy, salami, salami. This one really pissed me off. There was, I love, obviously, you know, I like salami. It's delicious. It's a, you know, I'm Italian, something that we eat for, you know, those deli meats or whatever. And I remember I used to buy these packets of salami and I really liked them. And then I did that test. That's dairy in it? Some salami includes nonfat dry milk in the process. I didn't know that. It's, it's annoying. It's so frustrating and annoying because I would eat it and be like, why don't I feel good at salami? I should be able to eat this. And then I'm like, let me look at the back. And I look at, I'm like, nonfat dry milk. Yeah. Why the hell are they putting that in salami? Yeah. So, yeah, it's one of those. So you just become hyper aware of all the crap that's in all of our food. We should highlight that Doug came in first place. He did. Doug has, Doug has the healthiest gut. Yep. Yep. What, what was the one food for you? Because it was like one. Oh, it's so weird. Yeah. Me so, do you do a lot of me so soon? I don't actually. I did have some last weekend, but that's very rare. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So it must be mimicking something else or obviously it's been longstanding. You just didn't know it, right? No, I didn't. That means you have a sealed gut. You don't have any hyper permeability or any gaps in your gut, which is cool because you always, you did so bad on the stress test that stress often will do that. Yeah. I think everybody's won one and lost one, right? Everybody. Which one were you the worst at? I don't actually, I don't think I was the worst at anything. You're like working out on like in the middle of the road of everything, saying not the best at anything, not the worst at anything. Yeah, that's true. I did, I'm so low on everything that got one. I don't think there was anything. I was one, I think I did really well. I don't remember what it was, but so far, yeah. You did really well on one of them. Yeah. One of the tests, I think I got good feedback. I think it might have been the stress one that I did really get on that one. I don't remember. I don't think it was a stress one. I think so. Really? It might have been. I think it was. Really? Yeah, yeah. No, I don't know. Yeah. Which again, I would, I would guess that I don't have, I don't have a lot of stress and I do pretty good about, I think balance and stuff with that, you don't ever act stressed out. Maybe that's why I grumpy and stressed out is totally different. Oh my bad. You know what? You release it. He releases it. That's exactly right. I don't hold it in. No, no, you don't hold it in. You hand it, you give it to us. Yeah. Oh, I hear you guys like, oh, fuck you. No, I'm just kidding. I'm totally joking. Hey, did you guys hear about the heirs to the Bud Light brand? Like the founders, the family. So the family founded it. No, I listened. Yeah, I listened to an interview that actually the one of the sons that is that is they were like so appalled. Yeah, he said they will advertising campaign. Yeah, he said that our, our, my, my dad would have rolled over in his grave and they're like, we'll buy the brand back and bring it back. I, you know what? I think that'd be the only thing that would save the brand. Oh, I didn't hear that. So they sold it off. Well, it's publicly traded. Oh, it's publicly traded. Yeah, right. They're not primary owners. They're not main. So exactly. They're saying that they would actually buy it back, tweet or post about it. Wow. That would say we would buy it back and we would bring back America's beer. I think that would be the only thing that would say if I was on the board of directors, I would be talking to the heirs because think about the story, the originators, we made this. We're the ones that create this is America's beer. We hate the direction it went. That's why we came back and bought it. I feel like that would bring back a lot of potentially bring back a lot of their old, you know, consumers or whatever to save the brand. Yeah, I mean, because that brand is done. They, they, they, they're dead. They killed themselves. I was just going to say the numbers are shit. Well, how many billions they lose? It was pretty appalling how quickly they lost. I mean, when, when you have billions to start with, losing billions is not like the, well, no, they still make money, but they went from the number one beer. Well, I mean, okay, yeah, no one's, no one's arguing that, but I'm saying like, are the, I don't think they're done. I mean, I think Anheuser-Busch owns all kinds of different. Well, no, I think that that brand with anheuser-Busch is basically in the context of what they've been. Yeah, they'll still be survival, Anheuser-Busch will survive off. They have a bunch of different brand beers that they can like, like bank on those ones too. And even a lot of the, what was a lot of like, it's not Corona, it's like Corona and it's also Doseckis and like some other beers that are like in that category. I mean, I think that, I think that when you get up in a predicament that they're in right now, like when you have like a company this large, a brand this large. You forecast what you should be able to sell. You have all these deals. You have tons of employees. You have lots of shipping stuff involved. So you take this massive, you know, multi-billion dollar hit, let's say, and that's enough to cripple that part of the brand. That's enough to potentially lose all kinds of employees. But I don't even know if it's enough to actually completely lose a brand. I mean, you can just shrink dramatically. I don't think it, I don't think it goes from like, oh, you made a really bad advertising decision. You lost to a microbrew kind of. I mean, I mean, I don't even know that, right? Like it's hard to say. What do you got, Doug, for me? So Anheuser-Busch said its revenues in the United States last quarter fell more than 10% from the year earlier. That's all brands, right? Under the Anheuser-Busch. So that's because Bud Light was one of their major brands. Yeah. And yeah, primarily due to the decline of Bud Light, operating profit at the U.S. unit dropped nearly 30%. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So again, I mean, I'm still searching for will that, will that destroy the brand? I don't, I don't seriously doubt that. Yeah, I seriously doubt that too. I think, I mean, what's unfortunate would happen is maybe a hundred employees get laid off and, you know, let's say you're in 10,000 stores. You're now in 500 stores. Like, I mean. Well, they're a big brand. They have a lot of money still. Anheuser-Busch obviously has a lot of money. They can, they can be really smart with the marketing campaign and find a way to, uh, you know, bring them back, right? We've seen brands like this do this before where they were crap or didn't change the image. Didn't Gillette repivot after they're dumb? They're, they're a little snafu. Yeah. But Gillette didn't, didn't get, they didn't do what Bud Light did. I mean, Bud Light was like the worst example of all of those. I know Gillette did it. They messed up too. But this one, you know, they really went hard. Yeah. And they doubled and tripled down on it and stuff. So, I mean, it'd be interesting. I'm, I'm curious to see what they do. And I mean, I like watching things like this, just, just purely out of like. Yeah. This part of Americans want to come back story. That's right. And that's like, you've seen brands get resurrected that have died over the years too. So I'm not discounting that at all. I just think they got a pretty massive uphill, uh, battle to get through the, the marketing has to be, has to resonate in a way that we'll just, I don't know. I don't know what that looks like. It's got to be like insanely patriotic. Exactly. I think if the airs came back and bought it or became the spokespeople that they would be able to sell that story, right? Yeah. They say they're Gillette still down, huh? Yeah, it's down every year. They never fully recovered. Wow. Look at that, huh? Well, whatever. I mean that to me, because Gillette, what does Gillette have besides razors? Are they, do they have a bunch of cream? Yeah. Saving cream and stuff. Yeah. I don't know if they have their, uh, I mean, I feel like Anheuser-Busch is way more insulated and protected by, uh, uh, like a mistake like that than Gillette. Gillette probably is like, that's their, that's their entire thing. That's their entire brand. Yeah. Bud Light just was by itself. Like that baby. I mean, I, I mean, so let's, let's play around with this idea that you have right of like, I mean, you could even like write off the brand and go like full in that direction. Like a rainbow color. I thought that go full in on that version and then start a new line up that is like the ultra opposite, patriotic, alpha, every, like just sparkly rainbow. Yeah. Like go all in on that. Like, hey, we're reducing bud. Yeah. Bud Spritzer. You know, I mean, Anheuser-Busch has got enough power, capital, network to potentially do that is like, didn't they do that? What was that soda that we were talking about a while ago that, uh, was a tab that event that there was a Diet Coke on them because they were the first Diet Cola and then they bought them and then slowly took their sales type of deal. Oh, that was a tab. I think tab. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was tab. So yeah, that was the cause they've found their demographic was all women that were not trying to get all the calories from the Coke, right? Yeah. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it wouldn't be, that wouldn't be a bad strategy either is to just write off Bud Light. Now it's going to be marketed specifically in that direction, go all in on it and then start up a, another line. And I mean, how many, I bet you so many people drink beer at the bar. I mean, we know this. We talked to the bartender when I had this conversation with him. Bud Light, it's a beer that identifies as a normal beer. No, I, we talked to the bartender about, and I was asking him about sales and stuff like that. And you know, one of the things he said is like, yeah, obviously people are like, not buying Bud Light, but then they buy Corona or they buy another Anheuser-Busch line. There's not very few, the average buyer and consumer. They don't go that far. Yeah. Who's even mad about Bud Light, isn't even go far enough to be like, how do I really hurt this company? They just go like, I'm not going to drink Bud Light because I don't want people to think I am. So they just do that, but then they still give the company money. They just see the label and they're like, ah. So you could easily fool the average consumer by going all in on Bud Light and staying in that direction. But still, if you're a company. The rainbow cans, everything. But also think about this way, Adam, you're a big, you're a big company like Anheuser-Busch, right? Bud Light's when you're major brands. Still going to hurt you because you have so much money and investment and employees. Yeah, that part. All in that one second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, because you've already forecast that for the year. Yeah. So you've hired, you've got shipping deals. Yeah. So I definitely. But it won't kill them. You know, it's funny, it reminds me of this is like an old SNL sketch with Schlitz gay beer, remember that? It reminds me of Adam Sandler and what's his name? Chris Farley. They're like at this pool and it was like a typical beer commercial, but it was like, they're like, whoa, like all these dudes and in like thongs and stuff. It was hilarious. But then it's like, this is real life now. Yeah, that's great. Hey, speaking of brands and stuff, dude, I was reading. So Roblox, right? One of the most popular games in the world. Crazy how popular you keep. I keep reading articles about, this is a terrible place to allow your kids to go. Yeah, because they're building all these like communities within it and think. Weird shit. Yeah. I was just reading an article and it was all confirmed, the article, the authors confirmed it, that there are rooms that you could go and by the way, there's rooms and like mini games within Roblox apparently that are labeled all ages, right? All ages are welcome and that you go in there and you can show us on a predator's den. Yeah, exactly. You could cook and eat people. There's one where you actually, yeah, like you cook and eat like feet and stuff like that. There's another one where it's like a public bathroom. You can use the bathroom, but then other people can watch you or they can come in behind you and simulate sex. So this woman writes about it because she's like, I spent five hours playing Roblox and here's all the different rooms that I found that are all ages. I'm like, wow, it's too, you know, it's too big to monitor. Well, yeah, and it's all open, right? So if I can't like the kids create their own code, isn't that how Roblox works? I have no idea. I think that's how it works, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I mean, you can't police that if you open, like you do a whole open AI. How do you monitor that? That you allow them to create their own rooms of spaces and if you got tens of thousands, like you can't possibly keep up. No, no, no. That's great. And it is, it's definitely, it's alarming. It definitely a predator. It attracts predators. I was talking to my nephew. It's called Schmitz gay beer. That's what it's called? Yeah, Schmitz. No, Schmitz. Oh, Schmitz. Schmitz. I like what you said. Oh, that sounds better. That's all right. I was hoping it was Schmitz. Yeah, I was talking to my nephew about this. He has a friend online. He's like, oh, he's my best friend. I've never met him. And he's telling me about him. And I said, you know, there's a lot of weirdos out there that pose as kids and they talk to you in develop relations. He referred to somebody as their best friend who he's never met. He's like, when are my best friends? He said, he's a little guy. And I said, you know, there's a lot of people on there that will pretend. He's like, I've been talking to him for like a year. I said, they will talk to you for years. For years, they'll play this game and they'll talk to other kids until they earn your trust. And then you go visit them or you give them your address or whatever. That's the game. The game is not, they talk to you once and then they'll be your friend forever for a long time. Remember the documentary that went Crazy Viral? It's still, I think a popular show, Catfish. I mean, that's what that was all about. I mean, these people, they keep this thing going on for, I mean, they get off on that. They get off on the idea that they are fooling somebody. And so it's a thrill for them. So playing that character and pretending like they're someone they're not, they'll play that for years. Yeah, I miss Nintendo, dude. I'm just gonna be honest with you. I brought it back. Yeah, I brought it back. Yeah, because my young guys, he's all into the Roblox stuff. And I started to see a lot of that because it's like, it's so immersive that they're just going all these different rooms and justifying because their friends are in there. And so I'm talking to my friend and I'm like, no, let's get a switch and let's stick with the Mario and things that I'm familiar with. And also I could pull it away and even just getting them. And I remember you brought this up too. It's like, there's such a different response when you take away a game that's like a console game versus a iPad or a phone. It's insane the difference. Crazy different. We play Nintendo almost every day right now. That's kind of the routine right now. We go downstairs. We do our normal kind of playing around. And he's normally asked me, Daddy, can we go play Nintendo? Okay, so we go upstairs. He's still at an age where he can't, he can't really feel it. So he sits in my lap and we play and we play. You have another thing yet where you're giving the controller that's not plugged in? So he thinks he's playing. He's not even interested in that. Like he just wants to watch me do it. He wants to sit in my lap. He wants to jump the jump. When I get the fire flower, he wants to push the B button and do the fire balls. That's all he wants to do and just watch me play. But what is so easy, I mean, I could literally, I go, okay, we're gonna play for 30 minutes and together and then he's sitting in my lap playing. And then as soon as it's over, it's over. And it's like, okay, that's it. Our last guy, we died. Okay, let's go. Like no qualms about whatsoever. When I would let him play that Angry Birds game on the iPad, it was, you could see a difference in his behavior. You could see how hard it was to pull him from it. He would wake up asking about it. And I was like, damn. And I'm, dude, we didn't even allow that in for very long. I mean, it was like literally like that. I saw a difference and it was tough to pull it out. And then we could get rid of it. And then now it's like, it's huge difference. When you guys were kids, you guys beat Mario, right? You guys all beat the game Mario. Now did you beat Mario, like everybody beat Mario, where you, I don't know what it is. I think it's level three. You warp to the higher level type of deal. See, I was that masochist that would get everything. And on, in that level, I had to gather all the things before I would pass. Wait, wait, did you, did you beat Mario by going through every level? Every level. Wow, did you do that? And then I went back and warped. I was like, oh, this is way better. Did you do the trick? Where do you jump on the turtle on the stairs and get the, like a ton of lives? Yeah, exactly. Okay, well then you did cheat a little bit. Well, yeah, yeah. I don't even remember. I learned that later. That was from Nintendo power. Yes. So I'm playing with them right now, again, for the first time, right? And so I'm going through this process and like, I don't remember all those hacks. I know they're there, right? Like, I'm like, I'm playing with them. And I'm like, there's like a free life somewhere. I think it's, I think it's like a squad on some of the mushroom. No, no, no, it's, I think it's level two. There's a tube you go down, and then you jump, I think, to the top and run across the top and then you end up with these warps. Yeah, that warps you to just like, Like seven or something? Yeah, to like that. But I mean, you still gotta go through all the way through each one of those worlds. But yeah, that, that one, that's, so that's level two. That's the all blue level. It's level two, okay. You break into the bricks at the top, you jump and then you run all the way across. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah. So you gotta get the extra life first and then you go. Yeah, I have done that, right? So I have done that, but you still gotta play a lot of the game. You still do, it's still hard. Yeah, yeah. Do you guys remember Game Genie? Do you guys remember Game Genie? Yeah, we had Game Genie. Did you ever use to make up your own codes? Did you see what it did? Oh, because you have a whole book of like the codes when you buy it, right? And so it would give you very specific things that would happen, like you would turn in, you'd have like the raccoon suit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever, right? And so we would just start scrambling our own codes in there. And oh, that's right. You could just make shit up. Yeah, I remember. And we would get like the weirdest glitches and we'd get like, I one time I got like a half like, I think it was like a frog head of Mario and then the rest of it was like normal. And then there was like some weird background difference that was like all like scrambled. It was fun. Dude, at the mall, they sold, this was a knockoff Nintendo. I think I might have told you guys about this. It was a knockoff Nintendo, right? So it looks like Nintendo, the original one. Yeah. And it came with, they advertised like 300 games was already on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like made in China. It was definitely bootleg bullshit or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it cost me like 50 bucks. I'm like, oh, this is cool. So I bought it and I brought it home while ago. This is when my older kids were little and we were playing it. And it had all the traditional games on there. Yeah. And then there were games that I'd never heard of. And some of the games were adult games. There was a game called Dickland. I swear to God. And the whole level was made of little penises throughout the whole level. And my daughter found it. Oh my God. Bob, Bob, look at this. It's, I'm like, oh. Throw it away, dude. Throw it away. I know. How do I explain this? The worst Nintendo invention ever was the body glove. What a, what a. Oh, I never tried it. It never worked. It was terrible. Oh, bro, it was terrible. It was crap. I owned it. I owned all the gimmick, all the toys they had, right? It was the first attempt at VR. Didn't they have like a little robot attachment to it? No, you had to put your whole hand in it. There's a controller on there. And all the buttons were on here and it had a cord still glued to it. The commercial manual looks sick as hell, though. Oh yeah, the commercial made you think you were. It's like the Thanos glove. Made you feel like you were going to be, feel like you're really boxing, but it was like nothing. So it was a stupid running pad. I know some people liked that. It was dumb. Nobody ran on everybody's hands. They're going to do it. Yeah, I know. It did some of those things. I mean, it's so crazy to think where it was. And then how, and then I think of how we got introduced to Oculus not that long ago and like how real the boxing is compared to like go back to body glove, Mike Tyson and compare that to Oculus. By the way, with the body glove, you had to put these like sensors over your TV. But we owned the, do you guys remember the old school TV? They existed in the 70s and 80s. It was like a brown cabinet looking thing. Yes, yeah. It was like more cabinet than it was the tube. The tube was like this big. Yeah, there's like five buttons. Magnavox, bro. Yeah. Yeah, there's the body glove right there. It looks cool as hell. Oh, the power glove. I never tried that. Power glove. I can't believe never. Body glove is a surfing compass. Oh, yeah. Yeah, power glove. Oh my God. Doug, what video games did you play when you were a kid? They didn't have any. The first Pong was the first one. I remember when that came out. Yeah, that was later though. It came out when we were kids, too. That's the hilarious part. Well, it was like late 70s. Late 70s was Atari. Atari was late 70s. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was 78-ish. Was it even Pong kid? No. No, not 78. Because 70s. Apple IIe was, I remember. No, Atari was, I want to say 81. I think Pong was the late 70s. No, no, no, no, no. Really? I remember it being in the 80s. Look, look, just don't look when Atari came out. Beer pong came up. When did Pong for the house? 1972. No, no, no. For the house. No, for the house. Yeah, yeah. When did Pong console? Just do Atari. Atari, okay. Atari, something thousand. All right, Adam. No, no, no. Don't put Pong Atari. Atari is Atari. Okay. So what do you want? Just Atari. Oh, wow. For your home TV, 1972. Now to just do Atari. Okay. Yeah, just do Atari. Yeah, just do Atari. It was the Atari 2600 or 2400. Yeah, 1972. It was founded. Okay, wait. The company clearly rolled out other arcade games in 1977 to introduce Atari video computer system. Wow. Adam, I should have never challenged the gamer. I was one year off. He's the gamer. He knows. Oh, man. They all, they used to have the, the, I played it on. My first one was on floppy disk. So you had like, you had the Atari games that, but they were played on like a floppy disk. You guys could afford that. Like Frogger. You guys could have, you know, expensive video games were back then? That's expensive. We missed our mortgage. Yeah, we had ponies, ponies in Atari. That same house, bro, got repoed. For close on. Do you know, hey, listen, do you know how people realize these things were so expensive back then? Bro, we also had a, we had a rainbow vacuum. I told you, like $2,000, $3,000 cost more than the whole carpet, the house. Why don't we have carpet, mom? I remember some house that had the, the baller house that had those like projectors that are the screen. That was like, and then you'd have these huge laser disks before even the LEDs came out. Yes. Yeah. I was like, man, you're rich. Yeah, dude. Remember that episode we did? We told people not to play video games. Moving down a rabbit hole. That was the price back then, $189. Okay. Hold on a second. That's expensive. It is. Put $189 in 1972. That's just a translation. What is it worth in 2023? Because people need to understand this. Things were so like, the first Walkman was like 300 bucks back then. Yeah. Can you imagine paying 300 bucks for a freaking cassette player? No way. You know? That was back then. Yeah. That's like $10 million. What does it say there, Doug? Yeah, that's fine. God, $189. I didn't realize it was that expensive. That's why you guys couldn't afford it. All right. It was 180. Our mortgage was like 500 bucks. Oh my God, $1,300. Wow. $1,300. Wow. It didn't even have a game. You had to buy the game separately. Yeah. Wow. That's pretty crazy. That is crazy. That's a good time. All right. You guys want to hear some interesting… No more Roblox is the point of all. No, no more Roblox. Yeah. You guys want to hear some interesting marriage divorce statistics that I looked up? Oh, let's hear it. Oh. So I saw the stat and I've heard this before and it's true. I confirmed it. So we'll start with this one, which is whatever. What percentage of divorces are initiated by the wives and what percentage is initiated by the husband? 70, 30. 80 by the… Yeah, Justin's on it. It's like 70, 80, right? So it's right in between there. Women. Wow. 30% or last man. I thought it was 80, 20. Yeah. I've heard statistics that say that. Yeah. Other ones that are closer to what Justin's saying. Yeah, yeah. So women tend to initiate the divorces. Okay. So knowing that, lesbian versus gay marriage. What do you guys think the difference is with divorce? Do you think that they have a better or worse? Gay man versus a lesbian woman. I feel like gay man versus hetero. That's why that's my… Oh, I always got the lowest divorce rate. Who has the lowest? Men. For sure. Men with men. Yeah, for sure. There's as close to or slightly lower than hetero couples. Lesbian couples divorce it twice the rate. Two times the same. I know a few. Every married man should be not surprised. Just arguing. Just fights. All the time. Actually, all joking aside. Fucking remember everything too. No fair fight. Oh my God. Recording each other. Actually, this is terrible. This is the other part. I don't know this. The rate of domestic guys. Guys would be like this. If it was not working out, they're still homies. Just I haven't fucking my buddy. My other buddy. No. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, oh man, I get it. No, it's just a bunch of avoidance. That's what I mean avoidance. I don't want to argue. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to fight. I'm just going to bang my other buddy. Just keep doing what you're doing. That's what we do here. We'll just be like. We'll just hang out. I'll just forget that. We already bought this house together. We'll just figure it out. No, no. So check this out with domestic abuse. Do you know physical abuse is higher in lesbian relationships as well? Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I think that goes line with the fighting though, right? It just gets, I mean. I think if there's an, if it's, the fighting is exponentially higher that would also increase the potential of physical violence too. Maybe, of course. I was, I was reading about this. I thought this was very interesting. It's strange. And the speculations range, but one of them was that the societally speaking, it's not as obviously not nearly as frowned upon when women hit each other, men hitting each other. There's a big, big, there's always that, like men know this, like we're big strong. There's always that like, well, if we start fighting, it's going to get real. Someone's going to get hurt really, really bad. Whereas women have the perception that, you know, they're going to, it's not, whatever. You know, I'll slap you, slap me. It's not going to, whatever. You're not a guy. You're not going to, you know, it's, it's not inappropriate or whatever, but that's terrible. Did you, did you see the guys fighting? Other guy, did you see the, the 49er preseason game that I sent it? I think I sent it to all of us. Did I just send it to you? Yeah, you sent it to me? Did you see that? Oh man. I'll have the, I'll have the YouTube guys, like share the clip. This dude, it's first of all, by the way too. I mean, if you get in a fight at a, a sporting event already, you're already an asshole. But if you fight, You're not my fans. Yeah. If you fight in a preseason game, you're a real fucking loser. Like it's, it's like so, it's a preseason game of all the fighting over the game. I mean, I don't know what, I don't know how the fight started, right? But they, they were both 49er fans. I blame all the Raiders leaving. And one guy was obviously very drunk, but dude, one dude just, I mean, the drunk guy looks like he's antagonizing somebody or people and some big dude just fucking. He just home crushed him. I mean, palm, palm on him. I mean, the guy was drunk and, you know, he was definitely like pestering everybody and like talking shit. So he kind of got what was coming to him. But it's still, it's just like, you know, there's kids right next to him. And it's just like, You know what traumatizing that is? That's traumatizing for children. To see grown men fight. That's a traumatizing thing for a kid. Yeah. And the guy got, I would hate to do that in front of my kids. Even if I had to, I would feel very bad that my kids saw that side of me. Yeah. There's no, I think the only way that how, I remember one time my dad got out. He had road rage and pulled out on some dude while I was in the car and was going to go fight. Fight. I had my stepfather was like super temper like that. And man, and I remember I was actually at that age. I might see here. I'm seventh grader with that. Even then I was terrified. Oh yeah. Here it is right here. Yeah. See him. That's not even the best. The other video was behind him. Yeah. I have the other clip. Andrew, who's playing that? Is that Andrew or Doug? That one was way better. Yeah. Wait till I show you the other clip. I have the angle of the guy who's standing right next to the dude. But he just, I mean, he's got clean socks. Watch when he gets up, dude. He's just, I mean, he's like smashed. What are some things, obviously, if somebody hits you or you really feel your life threatened, let's take the family stuff out because that's obvious. But if you feel really threatened or you get hit, then it's very likely you're going to fight. Okay. What would someone, what other things could people do to you that don't know all physically touching you? Nothing. You couldn't, you couldn't say, you could say stuff about my mother or my wife. You could say things all you want. What have you got? What's on spit on you? No, spit. Well, I mean, I've been in a fight for that. That's a violent act. Yeah, that was before. What about now? You're a lot wiser now. I don't know if that would, I mean, that's, that's physical to me. That's close. Yeah. That's physical enough. It's like slapping you. That's chemical warfare. Yeah. Yeah. It is. No, at that point, at that point, spitting on me or pushing me or hitting me is all in the same category. Right. That's physical to me. Right. Like you've, you've, you've touched me. Yeah. You've touched me with your fucking saliva, which is just as bad. So yeah, I would say that. Yeah. And most importantly, even more than me, because even the, even me, I think by myself or in the right setting, I don't think I would even, I would have been in enough fights and stuff now, though, like I wouldn't even want to even fight over that. Like I'd still probably try and turn the cheek. If I was with my, my wife or my kid, and I felt afraid for them or stuff. Yeah. If you're protected, you don't even have to hit me. You don't even have to hit me. You don't even have to hit me. Of course. You, you make me feel like this could be a threatening situation. Now you're trying to be, yeah, you're trying to anticipate. Yeah. Yeah. So exactly. I don't want to wait to see what happens. Like to me, I think I would, that is more likely than being by myself, saying shit to me, doing this. I mean, I've been at games before where people thrown beer at me before and done shit like that. And I didn't fight. Who has it? I mean, that's. Yeah. So, but I mean, that's. I have a really good, I'm, I've, so far I've had a really good, like fight sense. You know, when you're somewhere and you see what's happening, you're like, let's go. Something's going to happen right now. And I've done it a few times, right? It was right. Oh, I think you can feel that energy. Yeah, it's an error. Oh, I totally think you can feel it. And I feel like you have to, there's a part of you as a male. You want to watch? Well, no, that you want to be, like that's the truth. The younger version of me, like you stuck around in that situation because you're, you're an idiot. You know what I'm saying? You're looking for that. And when you get older and wiser, and you've been in enough situations like that, like, I feel that I'm out. Like if I even get a sense. You realize everybody loses, you know, in that situation. Yeah. And then you get to a place too where we're, I mean, when I was a teenage boy and I'm a way to buck 80, I'm not going to do that much damage. But I remember the first time that, like the stuff like that's happened where Katrina's made comments of like, in fear that it was going to escalate. And I'm like, oh, you really were worried in Switzerland? She's like, I'm not worried about you. I'm like worried about what you would do. So I'm worried about what would happen to that guy. Like that would happen. I went to high school with a kid. They got in a normal fist fight. Normal fist fight. Hit the other kid. The other kid hit his head on the ground. Right. Just like got so like, like, like really bad injury, like brain damage type stuff. Kid went to jail. So many stories I got. You know, so it's like, what's the best case scenario? You win and go to jail. Right. You know what I mean? Right. So it's not, nobody wins. Yeah. And you think you would want, I mean, you think that would feel good to win the fight. But if you actually really hurt somebody, like really, really bad. You're in trouble. And it wasn't a life threatening situation. You think, oh my God, I did that because somebody called me a name or made fun of somebody. Like, I mean. Stupid. Stupid. Takes a lot of confidence to be able to walk. Yeah. And that's the other thing too. When you get older, you've been around enough like, we talk about like UFC fighters, like I actually admire that so much more. I think that's badass. Yeah. Like seeing a dude who I know, you know, would just mop the floor. Just mop the floor of the guy and see him composed. Totally. And in that situation and allowed. Yeah. And that's like, okay, that's to me, that's even that, that shows a whole another level of confidence and bad assery that you have the self discipline to know you would just wipe the floor. Totally. All right. I'm going to change directions because I've done a few openings where I've talked a lot of openings where I talk about the benefits of creatine. And so the messages I've gotten a lot of now because I think we've made the case, right? Creatine healthy supplement, pro longevity, obviously good for muscle building, obviously good for recovery, all, you know, all that stuff. But the question I keep getting is not what kind of creatine. I think we've now established creatine monohydrate, all the other versions. Who cares? Doesn't matter. None of them have been shown to be better than good old monohydrate. But the main question I'm getting now is should I, or can I take it with something else to enhance its absorption or how it works in the body? And the question, the answer is yes, it's not a huge effect, but yes, there are things you can add to creatine that will improve its absorption. One of them is sugar, which I don't recommend. I think that's not worth the, you know, what is what's that saying? It's not worth the squeeze or whatever. It's not worth the supplement. Companies know this and have added that. Yeah. But the other ones are sodium. And then lastly, L-carnitine tartrate. So that's an amino acid, a form of an amino acid that with creatine has been shown to be slightly more effective than just plain old creatine itself. So people are like super into this and really like to maximize and push, you know, every little piece of advantage that they could get. Creatine with L-carnitine tartrate is a good combination. Take them at the same time. Is that what Mike does? Yes. Legion's recharge is that's what it is. It's a powder and it's creatine monohydrate with L-carnitine tartrate that you take. And what it does is it it activates the mTOR pathway and enhances absorption of creatine and makes it more effective. I mean, for the most part, you would say it's probably splitting hairs, right? It's a small percentage. Yeah. You know, so I'd say But I mean, if you're somebody who's like, I'm willing to spend a couple extra bucks for something that has got research behind it to support that. Yeah. So you need to take a post-workout because post-workout also enhances recovery. Now, here's the other side. Here are the other people that may benefit. There are there is a small percentage of people that are known as creatine non-responders. They seem to supplement with creatine and it doesn't seem to have the effects on them. These are the people I would say, try a post-workout, try it with L-carnitine tartrate, try adding sodium, and then see if that actually makes a difference for you. What do you think, what's your speculation on somebody who would be a quote, unquote non-responder to creatine? Do you think that, like are they teasing out the fact that that person could be just getting plenty of creatine through their natural diet? It's unlikely they're getting that much creatine from their diet. You'd have to get a lot of red meat. I don't know. It's a good question. I know some people get gastro distress, but I don't think that's what- Yeah, for that one is a common one, but that's about it. Yeah, but I don't, that's I don't think what's happening. I don't know. It's a really good question. Yeah. Because creatine's naturally found in food. Yeah. So they must, I don't know. It's a really, really good question. Yeah, I would love to see, I would love to see some, some research around the people specifically that are, that have been considered and see what they have in common. Maybe Doug, you could Google right now what we're talking. Why are some people non-responders to creatine and see what comes up? But I don't know because it's a naturally occurring compound that you get in food, primarily animal meat. This can't be related to that deer tick that is going on. People are getting like allergic to red meat. Yeah. Deer tick. There's a disease that's spread by ticks. No, I've heard that. That's true. Wait a second. Isn't this Alex Jones' theory on how we're going to become allergic to meat? Well, his thing is that they're weaponizing it, right? Yeah. He's always the alarmist in that stuff. Oh, here we go. But it's a real thing. Real quick, back to the creatine. It says in this article that some people are slow twitch muscle fiber dominant and they store less creatine than fast twitch muscle fibers. Oh, interesting. So they're not going to get a lot of the benefits of the extra creatine. Although I'll argue their organs, brain, and the rest of the body still will. So they probably should still take creatine. But anyway, back to the deer tick. That's real. There's a tick that literally has a disease that they can give you that makes you allergic to red meat. And there have been people who have speculated or said that this will be an effective way to lower carbon emissions by getting everybody to be allergic to red meat. Oh my God. Then they can't eat it anymore. Oh my God. I know. Where is it? Where is it right now? Where is it spreading right now? Or where are we seeing the cases at? Yeah. Are you looking at them, Justin? Or are you just texting here? Sorry, I'm looking at booty picture right now. The one that you said through it yourself? Am I growing? Thank you. Are my glutes growing? I've been doing good for us. Yeah, looking great. Do we know where these cases are popping up? And is this like three people that we're talking about right now? Or is it actually? I believe it's in southern states, but apparently it's moving north. Nice. Yeah, lovely. Okay. So if it's in southern states, plural, and it's moving, this has to mean there's like several cases. This is not like just a handful of people. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, no, it's not cool. Can I just tell you how mad I would be? If that happened to me? Bro, that would be... I mean, I'm already mad at our results, you know, but I can't eat right now. Bro, that would be like the crude agrar for me. It's like just give up at that point. Hey, you know, Justin had to become a vegan. He'd be so sad. Imagine how viral we'd go if we were switching over to be vegan. One of us should be here. It's called the Lone Star Tick. That's what it is. Lone Star Tick. It's got a little... Obviously, Texas, no reference, right? Wow. Well, it has one little spot on it's back. Can you look up for me like how many people are getting... How many people are allergic to red meat from ticks? You know that I said the word tick and my youngest said tit? He said tit. Yeah, he's all tits. Go tell your mom. The tit kids. I love it. I still get Max to say parsley. I don't tip all over me. He still can't say parsley very well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure he's so bad at whatever I say that. Any time I have an opportunity to... As many as 450,000 people. Whoa. Yes. 450,000 people? Are now allergic to red meat? Way more than I was anticipating. Yeah, I was waiting for a number like five. Are you sure about that? I mean, Google says it, so we have to believe it, right? Well, we're not the best Googler, so let's see. He's an out of Googler. My Google skills are fine, all right? Wow. A CDC report suggests as many as 450,000 people in the U.S. may have an unusual food allergy caused by the Lone Star tick. Bro, that's a lot of people. It's called alpha-gal syndrome. Oh, what a fucked-up name too. Oh, you're an alpha-gal? 450,000 people is a lot of people. That is. That sucks. And is this like, okay, so that's July 31st, 2023, where you just shared that. I have some stats to add to this. Yeah, let's hear it. Let's hear it. It's considered that the stat is significantly underestimated because four out of five healthcare providers had little or no knowledge of the condition, and only 5% of the providers feel actually full confident in being able to diagnose it. So it's more than that. What? Yeah, now this is- Is this like recently just came out of nowhere, or has this been around forever, and we just didn't know it, and that's a common? Well, I think too, there was somebody that was talking about this on a panel that was kind of relating it towards climate change, and so it was gross because they're starting to try to talk in the direction of, well, we can help lower emissions by eating less meat. And also, there's this tick that we found, it has this enzyme that makes people allergic to red meat. So this might help to decline the numbers of people eating red meat. And I was like- That's how it was positioned. That's the video. Oh, wow, it first reported in 2002. See, it's new, dude. What? Yeah, and so the conspiracy theory is that this is an engineered disease that was put into ticks to reduce our- Or maybe it was naturally found, but it's still like it's something that's getting weaponized. What if cows invented it? I don't know. Too sober to have this conversation right now. Making a real thing, dude. Are you serious right now? I feel like seriously, I have to get a tinfoil hat now. Isn't that annoying? It's just too many things. Too many things to account for. I know, Adam's getting a little weird. You said it's over at Taylor Swift. What was the one you sent me today? The leader of the Satan group. You don't know how to play the game very well. Yeah, you went- That one made me laugh. You went full tinfoil, dude. You got these scratch release. Adam sent us a clip of a Satan leader. Of a Satan leader from the 1970s. It looks like David Smith. It's identical to her. Whatever happened to her, just little bits, dude. And now she's having these seances in her concert. Is it really- It's something that looked like her. It's like, come on, dude. Hey, have you guys heard about- Do you guys hear about that Instagram model that died with that challenge? Did you guys hear about this? What was the challenge? This was a while ago, but apparently there's like an anniversary of it and her family talks about it. Anyway, the challenge was to stick your head and body out the car and go topless and then you film it for social media. You black out your boobs and you post it. Anyway, she did this, hit a light pole. Yeah. And died. That's horrible. I know. These challenges, I saw this clip of these kids. Did you go too far right there? She went viral? Oh, she went too far, Justin. It's a joke. It was a while ago, so it's okay. Oh, it's okay. It's past that time? Yeah, it just happens. It's not. Right, I think we're fine. There is this generation. I'm so disconnected. You guys have younger kids, so maybe you guys are like better connected to it. The challenges? Yeah. And there's like huge movements of like kids like literally just running around doing things with their phone for TikTok. Like that's all, that's all they do is go around. When we were kids, we did stupid challenges too and they went viral on their own. Like who the hell, how did you guys spreading it? It was all just word of mouth. It was all word of mouth, like the Chokey U.S. Self Out Challenge, that was a big one. That's the only one I remember actually. Do you guys remember anything? Gallon milk challenge, I mean it was pretty lame. Oh, that's right. You know, back then it would take years for something like that to make, to like, oh yeah, like those things would last. Generations. Yeah, like the Tide Pod Challenge lasts like a month. Same like enough for enough dumb people to get sick from it and then it stops. And then they move to the next one. So maybe there's a positive, so that's the silver lining in this, is that there's probably just as many stupid challenges, maybe more, but they last way shorter because it only takes a handful of people to die from these dumb challenges. Yeah, move on to the next one. And everybody knows. That's it off, boom. All right, we got a shout out for today's episode. Okay, I got one. I got a shout out. So if you like conspiracy theories, weird stories, disturbing stuff, there's a page on Instagram called Morbid Curiosity, and it's spelled with a K. And yeah, it'll keep you up at night. It's interesting stuff. Good luck sleeping. Yeah, check it out. All right. Butcher Box is a company that delivers grass-fed meats, heritage pork, wild caught fish, and more to your door. So if you like to eat high protein meat, but you want it to be healthy and super high quality, you want the animals to be treated well, Butcher Box is a great company. You also save money. It's inexpensive in comparison to its competitors if you go to the grocery store. Anyway, they're amazing. Go check them out. Go to butcherbox.com forward slash mine pump. And if you use that link, you'll get salmon included in your box for three months for free, plus $20 off your first box. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Tony from Minnesota. Tony, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys. Yeah, I'll just jump right into my question here. So my strength, pretty dramatically, outweighs my strength stamina. I already knew this for years, but right now running MAPS PowerLift is kind of highlighting it even more. So I was looking at calculators within the program, and my one rep max is way off of my calculated eight rep max. So in short, my strength is pretty good, but my stamina sucks. And when I train for stamina, I always feel like I'm overgraining. And so this is from my own experience, but also from running anabolic advance, et cetera. So I always feel like I've responded really well. It's like the one to four rep range. And even sometimes going past eight reps even feels strange to me, or just doesn't feel good, I guess. So my question is, am I genetically thrown towards more gains from a lower rep range? And am I overdoing it doing those higher reps, even though I do see some results when I do it? Again, I just don't feel good when I do it. Yes, it does. Sure. So yeah, just put a little bit of background on. I've been lifting heavy for 10-plus years. So since I was 13, I've been footballing for rugby. And I always lifted heavy due to the demands of my positions. And I've always lifted this way. This is kind of like my default. But I always see tremendous results, and I always feel better when I come back to that low rep range. Yeah. So you need a rugby? So you got good endurance. It's muscle stamina you're talking about, right? Right, yeah, yeah, stamina. So like, again, for anabolic advance, like pushing to like the 16-ish rep range, even like 12 to 20 within there, like I usually, this doesn't feel good for me, I guess. So this will help you out a lot. So yes, you may be genetically prone. So you don't do it enough. Yeah. Well, you also may be genetically prone. You've trained like this for 10 years. Muscle fibers actually start to change a little bit. So, you know, generally speaking, you hear about fast twitch muscle fibers, slow twitch muscle fibers, but there's fast twitch muscle fibers that can actually switch and act more like slow twitch, and then others that can act more like fast twitch. And then there's genetic predispositions. I'm like you, one rep max calculators. If I base it off of what I did for 10 reps, it's always way off. Oh, yeah, it's way off. Yeah, I could always lift a lot more. So I also have a genetic propensity for that. So that's yes. But here's the other part about high reps. Volume is sets times weight times reps. So to give you an example, let's say you did a bench press and you did a set of 300 pounds for two reps. Okay. So that's a lot of weight for two reps. Then let's say you did a set with 100 pounds for 10 reps. And you think, oh, 100 pounds for 10 reps, that's no problem. You actually did more volume if you do the math. 10 times 100 is 1,300 times two is 600. So higher reps, if you keep all the sets the same and everything else, the volume tends to be much higher. So what's probably happening is you're probably doing too much. So either lower the weight down and go easier. Or what I do is I lower the volume. I end up doing less sets when my reps are higher and I feel better. Because I did the exact same thing as you. I'd go to higher reps and I would look at the total sets as the volume and be like, I'm doing the same sets. But my God, I feel like I'm just wasted. And so I had to lower the volume and match it or get close to what I did before. And that was totally fine. Don't lie. You haven't done over 10 reps since 1997. You got to scale it way down. That one time. Yeah, I mean, again, I can identify with this too. And so I don't know. I guess I don't really lean too much on the genetic propensity towards a lot of that. And when you can in fact kind of alter that a bit, by the way you train and staying in that focused adaptation for an adequate amount of time for your body to actually respond better to that. I know for me personally, it's just like, I'll void it. So me going back to it, it sucks. And I'll suffer my way through that style of training. But too, like fast twitch movements, like, so rugby, you got a lot of fast twitch movements. You got your sprinting constantly. So you can sprint for a good amount of time. So you're like your work capacity is up there. Like you have the ability there. I think it's more just the amount of time you've placed in that direction in terms of those types of lifts for that many reps. Yeah, that's the silver lining here is this. This is where this is where the gains are, bro. Yeah. I mean, that's the silver lining in this is that. Opportunity for change. It's hard. You suck at it. We all have something like that in our training. There's things that we already gravitate towards. But where the most gains lie are the things that you're not good at or you don't like doing. And so, I mean, my suggestion would be to lean into that. Lean into it, stick with it for a while. Don't bail on it. Like after just doing it a few weeks, like. If you feel overtrained and like you don't feel good, cut the sets. So typically what I'll do when I bump the reps is instead of doing three sets, I'll do one or two. And then that typically for me makes up the difference. But Adam's right. This is the gains. If you train like this for like four weeks and you get the right amount of volume, that's going to be the key, you'll build muscle. You'll actually see some serious muscle gains. I'm going to go back to your low rep training. It'll be fun. Yeah. So when I was running an anabolic advance, I know there's like the optional sets within there, but I was peeling back even from the not optional stuff too. And I still felt like I was maybe over pushing it a couple of times. I had to implement. I had to for sure throw those dealer weeks in there. But I still saw some pretty good results from it. And then again, switching back to power lift, I like seeing really good results right now. And I just feel better with it. So yeah, it's probably a volume thing. Yep. Um, so when you, when you talk about feeling overtrained, is it in the workout you feel overtrained or is it like afterwards that you feel overtrained? What are your symptoms? Yeah, it would be a little bit of both. So sometimes there'd be days I show up to the workout and I'm like this dragon ass pretty much. But then sometimes too, like I would notice if that repeated itself like sleep quality would kind of drop like daily energy was probably my biggest one. Like I would just feel like lethargic throughout the day. Sure. Yeah. So then you were, you were doing too much. Yeah. I would cut the volume even more. Cool. Cool. So then yeah, it sounds like what you're alluding to like the silver lining then, um, I'm probably leaving a bunch of, a bunch of results on the table. If I'm not leaning necessarily too much into, to that higher range. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Yep. Seek it out. Yep. For sure. So then my other kind of like side question with that is like, I'm guessing if there's like results being left on the table there, you guys talk about like the granite versus like the bubbly look. I feel like I have more of that granite look. You think I'm going to get some more of that leaning in that direction? You're going to get a lot of hype. You're just going to get a lot of hypertrophy. Yeah. You'll get more of the bubble. Right. I bet you'll build like, like, if you do this right, you're going to build like, like serious muscle is what's going to happen. For sure. So long as you feed yourself right too. Right. Yeah. And that's the big thing that for years I was under eating and then obviously if I'm like, listen to your guys show it took, I had to get over that mental hurdle, but so yeah, for years I was under eating and then for the last like six months I've been like in an actable and it's like the first strength games I've seen in years and it's been, it's been freaking awesome. Awesome. How old are you? Yeah. I'm 23. What are your lifts? What's your squat dead and bench? Yeah. So right now, so yeah, like my squat max calculated is like, I think it's like 350 or 340, but my, what I squatted last week, I hit 385 for two. And then my, my deadlift is, I think it's pretty much the same calculated, but my, I pulled 425 for two. So I know those are kind of close. I'm working on my deadlift. And then my bench is like, I think last week I hit 265 for two. Yeah. You're strong, dude. Those are great numbers. Yeah. The best, the best part is you're, you're going to get a lot stronger. You're so young. You're so young. Yeah. You got like another 10 years of strength games, to be honest with you. Yeah. Doing good though. That's good to hear because when I was in high school, I was, I was lifting kind of like an ox and I was, I was a lot bigger. I played like linemen. So I was lifting a little bit more weight then. I've been like this constant battle trying to get back to that, but your guys advice throughout the years has been helping out a ton with that. Awesome. Yeah. No, awesome, brother. Great, man. Yeah. Thanks for calling in, man. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You guys mind if I just add one more, one more little piece. I want to go for it. Yeah, yeah. The obligatory thank you as always, but I wanted to, I wanted to throw this in because you guys have like literally changed my life for, for background, for a little bit of context. I went to school to be an engineer and because all of though, like health and fitness, exercise, whatever has always been my passion. I never thought I could like make a living out of doing it, but I kid you not on my first week, like on my commute to work, at my first week of my engineering job, I was listening to you guys per usual and then a girl came on her show and she said that she had left her engineering job after like several years and she was never looking back. And even just from listening to it then, I knew in my gut that I would end up being me and I just didn't know when. So for the longest time, I considered NCI and jumping on board with them. And after like long story short, after tons of investment in them, I actually left my job in April. So now I'm a full-time coach and I've literally never been happier. So I just want to say like, I can't thank you enough for like giving me the knowledge, the confidence and the tools just like to do what I do today. Excellent. Amazing dude. Yeah. And when people say like most of what they learn is from you guys compared to like certifications, like I completely, completely agree with that. Your guys' content is obviously best in the industry and everything sounds from you guys. So I'll think or I'll pass on my clients thanks to you because a lot of their results are coming from you guys too. So I appreciate it. You guys have literally changed my life. Oh, that's great, man. I appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much, brother. 100%. Thanks guys. Take it easy. I was going to say, oh crap, you went from making good money to crap money, but with NCI. So I'm going to teach him how to build his business. So I'm not worried. I'm not worried. You know, I was going to say to him, I mean, because I know there is genetic propensities, right? But it's like, I mean, you could be bad at all rep ranges like Adam, which is. I just don't like to lean on that is my point. Then you're just super handsome. Yeah, give me an excuse. Can't have it all. God was like sex appeal, tall. He only has so much to sprinkle. Yeah, rep ranges. Not very good. Not very good in the gym. Looks like it. No, that was that was a good call. Our next caller Steve from England. Steve, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, guys, just want to say first of all, I started personal training in January. I started doing my qualifications last May. Found your podcast at the same time and spammed about the first 400 episodes up until I finished my qualification and started. And pretty much changed how I thought I was going to train. All the information I pretty much give my clients is pretty much what I hear on this podcast. So I just want to say thank you because it's been a massive help, the information, not just about training, but how to pick up clients as well. So thank you for all the information, first of all, that you do for the personal trainers among us that listen to this because it's really, really great information. Thank you, Steve. Thank you. Right on. Oh, Justin, you're also my favorite, by the way. Oh, yes. Take that. Screw you, Steve, screw you. You're breaking up now. I can't hear you. We'll have Justin answer your question. Let's go, Adam. Turn the volume up, Doug. Go ahead. My main question is regarding one of my clients that I've kind of been struggling with, they suffer a lot with gym anxiety. They come in, we have a great session, but then a couple of days after, because we're only having like one session a week, a couple of days after, I'll get a text message, like them saying that they want to quit. I want to give up. And I'll have to try and talk them round, talk them out of it, talk them into coming in again next week. They come in the following week. We have a great session. They absolutely love the session and say, yeah, this is great. This is what I want to do. But then a couple of days later, I'll get a pretty much a similar message. And it keeps going on that sort of cycle. And I'll never be able to try and really crack down to why they keep, as soon as they're away from me, and I don't really have that one-to-one communication with them, they seem to really then struggle and want to just give up and just quit. And a lot of it is that sort of anxiety. But, and so my question is, how would you guys, like if you had a client that was like that, what would your response be? I had a few clients like that. Yeah, no, I think this is actually pretty common. Couple things. One, when someone says something like that, one of the worst things that we could do as coaches and trainers is to right away default to the motivation hype thing and challenge how they're feeling, right? Like, no, you stay with it. You're like, and that's the natural thing to want to do. Instead, I'm going to ask more questions. Why do you feel that way? What's going on? And I want to unpack like, what is making them feel discouraged? Because that's normally why they're giving up. They're discouraged about something. And I need to get to the bottom of what is making them feel discouraged. And then I want to figure out whatever that is and then encouraging that a listen, it's okay. We're on the right path. We're making the right steps in the right direction. So moving in that direction versus again, just trying to be the hype. No, you got this. You don't want to just right away, they say they're not motivated and they go right into like, I'm trying to motivate them instead. Find out why they're feeling this way. What is it? What happened today? What's going on with you? What's happened the last few days? Why do you feel discouraged? And then making them feel normal. Oh, that's totally normal. Most of my clients, when they first start, they feel this, they think this, they notice that. Don't worry. You want to validate them. Yeah, exactly. You want to validate why they feel that way, not try and overcome it and just be like, oh, try to hype them, right? That's a mistake they make. What's the reason that they tell you that they're anxious? Have they said that to you? Yeah, I think it's just like a multitude of things. So they come in, obviously, they come into a gym where there's a lot of people that's been training there for years. So those sort of people are just coming in, they're jumping on machines. They're not really giving it a second thought. And so they've got that kind of anxiety of, what's everybody else thinking about me when I'm doing something? Which is, well, nothing, because they're so focused on what they're doing, majority of the time, they're not thinking about what you're doing at all. And so I've tried to really stress that to them. But there's kind of that. There's, yeah, I think it's just the really, that lack of self-confidence in themselves, however many sessions that we've had and I've reassured them that on the exercises that are in their program that they've got great for and they're doing really well with them. But it's just that all of a sudden, when I'm not there, there's questioning themselves constantly. And then it's really weird as well, because the reason it's for quitting is, oh, your clients need your time more than I do. And it's, they need me and I stress, no, I want to help you. I want to spend my time helping you. But yeah, it's like, oh, no, you don't bother with me. I'm not worth it. Sort of, there's other people that need you. I got something for you, Steve. I got something for you. I had a client just like that. All right, so a couple of things. As a trainer, first off, you said that you were thanking us for information. You're the one making the difference. That's why we talked to trainers. We could give all the information in the world, but we're not affecting people like you are. That's just hands down, okay? Number two, the trainer's job is to train a client well, but also provide a good experience for the client. And how do you create a good experience? You want to know what they're looking for, what their struggles are, so I had a client once that, the gym was too stimulating, too loud, and so what I did is I always set aside a quiet part of the gym to do our workout where it was just us, a pair of dumbbells. It was a little darker, a little quieter, so that's part of it. Here's another thing that you could do that's really helpful. Because of the other members in the gym or staff, before they show up, you could go to some of your regulars or staff that you know and say, hey, Susan's about to come in. She's always very anxious. She feels like people are watching her when she comes in. If you could, when you notice she's doing something right, maybe halfway through the workout, come over and give her a positive comment, because then she's going to feel like, wow, these people kind of know me and then they'll develop a relationship and that's what's going to keep them coming to the gym. Lastly, you were talking about just how they said to you, you need the time to help other people. This might sound counter-attuitive, but this is a big one. Ask this client for a favor or ask this client information that'll benefit you. Now, you're going to think, well, how does this help? It's going to make them feel valuable. Right now, it sounds like they feel like they're a burden. It's probably what they're feeling like. So I had clients like this as well, and then when they would come in, one person that I trained was a professor. She felt very insecure and she would make comments like that. Oh, I must be your worst client and I'm taking up a lot of your time or whatever. So when they came in, I would ask them questions about their profession, things that I was actually interested in, and then I would say something like, man, I learned a lot from training you. I really enjoy asking you questions. I hope that's okay. And then what it does, it gives the person makes them feel valuable. Like, oh, I, you know, Steve asking me stuff and I'm giving him stuff in return, not just my money for the session. And then of course, express this. Don't say I want to help you because that can strengthen the feeling of being a burden. It's more like this. I really enjoy hanging out with you. I really love being around you and training you. This is fun for me. So it's more like I like doing this for something for me, not I like doing this for something for you. So when someone feels like they're a burden, what they don't want to hear is, oh, I love being you that you're a burden. What they, what they want to hear is more like, well, how is this benefiting you? How is, why are you coming to see me besides the fact that you're, you know, altruistic and you want to help me, which just makes me feel worse. So ask them for favors, ask them questions, comment on how much value they bring you. And that will help them feel more, more valuable and less like a burden. I have one more to add to that too, Steve. Are you, I guess what, somewhere between 15 and 30 clients, you're probably managing? Is that how many you have? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm doing, so not quite that many clients, but I'm between that in sessions through the week. So even easier than what I'm going to say. This is what's so cool about the era we live in with text message, sending a message that says, hey, thinking about you right now, hey, what you doing? What are you up to? Like a small message daily. Like I used to carve out just a block of my time a day and I would literally just hit them all with a message. Of course, the more personalized you can make it, you know your clients better than anybody. So you know the things they're into, you know the goals, you know the things that they're challenged with. So just doing that shows that you care outside the one hour they're paying you for your time. And so that adds a lot of value with a little bit of effort and time on your part. And a lot of times that's just all this person needed was to know that you care and you're paying attention and you're watching, which was like, damn, I was, and I can't tell you how many times I caught a client. Man, I was just about to go do this. And because you text me like, I'm out, now I'm gonna go, yeah, I'm gonna go do my walk or whatever like that. Or they feel like, oh, I'm so, you text me and I just made a decision to do this instead of that. I'm so, and I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Just thinking about you. So that's such a small little thing that you can do that adds tremendous value to your coaching. Awesome. Thank you. I do, if it's all right, just have one, one quick question just about me just because with time and I never thought I would struggle with this working in a gym constantly, but like my own workouts. So I'm probably down to a maximum of about three workouts a week that I'm kind of being able to squeeze in, which is fine because I'm hitting full body in all of those three workouts. But is there, if you could only hit, like say you had maybe an hour and a half, three times a week. Is there a, would you stick to full body or would you do something else for yourselves? 100%. Yeah. Full maps, anabolic. Favorite host, what do you have to say about that? Yeah. 100% anabolic. I mean, that's, we have it all laid out there for you. I mean, that's pretty much the protocol. It's optimal even, you know, three times a week to do full body and then be able to recover in between. So you'd be perfect with that. Yeah. And if you have, if you have other things you want to work on, you can modify, you're a trainer, so you know how to modify the routine if it's more mobility or whatever. And then on your days off, you know, you're probably walking a lot because you're in the gym. I remember how many steps I took when I was training clients. So your activity levels are probably great. Between that, I am doing, because obviously you guys recommended it right from the start, the trigger sessions. So I do get trigger sessions in between that as often as I can as well. You're fine. You're doing good, bro. Yeah, you're great, brother. Yeah, you're doing good. You're doing good. No, that's great, perfect. Thank you very much, guys. You got, oh, hold on real quick, you're a trainer. Do you have MIPS Prime Pro? Yes. No, no. Oh, Adam, relax. We're sending it to you right now. He's new. Yeah. We're going to send it to you right now. That'll help you. Yeah. Thank you very much, guys. That's awesome. Thank you very much. You got to see you. Thank you. Cheers. Thanks. You know, that was a, you know, that was a big one for me was, I don't remember who told me that, but they said, I asked another client of mine and I said, God, I have this client that's, you know, I get, I challenge with because they're so, I feel like they feel like they were a burden or whatever they're like, ask them for a favor. Like what? Like, man, it'll make them feel like valuable. And I did. And I started asking, it was fun for me because I love asking questions. And then this person was so confident coming in because they felt like they offered me something in return. Yeah, you said that. And it was like, I could just piggyback on that. But that's like the, that's exactly where I was thinking because I had to learn the hard way of just like, that person, I thought that I just needed to keep giving them positive affirmation. Positive, positive, positive. And it was just like so draining, as a trainer to just constantly try to pump somebody up that kind of is doom and gloom and coming in and thinking they're burdened and everything. But really, yeah, to be able to acknowledge like their strengths and then like, pull that out of them more and get them actively using that and helping one of my other clients. Yeah. Or, like you said, like kind of pulling that information out for me personally, like I learned to do that as well. Well, someone that struggles with that, they struggle with value and purpose. Totally. And you give that to them. It's a lot like the advice that Arthur Brooks gave you when you gave money to the bum. Hundred percent. It's like, here, you're giving money to that person. I know it's not politically correct to say bum. Jesus. To the bum. We live in this world, right? What is the fucking struggling person? Just homeless person. Struggling homeless person. Right, fucking guy. So that advice to have him pray for you or do something for you gives that person. Have you guys done that, by the way? Yes. I've no idea. I've done that. I've done that. I gave money to, I gave money to this guy who was sitting there. He had a dog with him. So I was like, oh man. And I said, hey, can you do me a favor? You know, I don't remember what it was. My kid's doing this thing. Can you pray for me? And his face lit up. And I was like, oh God, that was great. Yeah. It really worked. The other thing is the text thing, dude. That has been such a... Yeah, of course. When that came, like become a popular thing where everybody has text message, I was, you know, towards the end of my career, but that was like a game changer. You know, before text, I actually had a trainer. I never did this. It took too much work and I didn't want to do it. But I had a trainer. It used to write short notes or postcards and would send it to random clients. And it was like huge returns in how the client felt. We taught that in the gym for sales guys. If someone walked and they didn't buy, they'd have a stack and you already had it stamped and ready to go. So you would just write a quick note and it was such a powerful thing. And so... It goes a long way with people. Yeah. If you're training come on 15 clients or less, especially, I mean, that literally takes literally 15, 20 minutes out of your day to do that, to send to all of them. Oh, yeah. And you know, if you literally do that every other day with, you know, half your group, you'd be surprised how far just them knowing that you care outside. They expect you to care in that hour. They pay you. Yeah. Right? The rest is just delivering more than they expect. Yeah. And so coming over the top like that. Our next caller is Marina from Kentucky. Marina, how can we help you? Hi. I just like to start off and say, I'm really nervous. So hopefully I can articulate my point. And just to thank you because I've listened to you through so many huge milestones of my life, meeting my boyfriend, getting married, going through college, and graduating. And actually, thanks to you, I was able to start my own business, helping people in rural Kentucky, just making fitness and health information more accessible to them. So thank you. Awesome. Wow. Cool. How can we help you? Yeah. So my question was inspired from your Muscle Mommy episode. I am an aspiring muscle mommy. And I just, I want to know how to get past. I feel like I'm at a plateau. And I feel like I have a good lean tone physique that a lot of women want. But I really want to be bulky in my upper body. And it's been a great selling point to my clients telling them that, look, just by lifting heavy, you're not going to get bulky. But I really want to get bulky. And I've, I've gone on bolts in the past. This past winter, I was pushing over 3000 calories. Yeah. So, and that was a lot. I squat 300 pounds. I deadlift 315 and I bench 155. So I've been focusing on my compound lifts. I've religiously eaten one pound of protein per gram, one gram of protein per pound of body weight. And I take creatine every day. And yeah, I guess I'm just kind of stuck at the point. I don't know whether I should continue to bulk up or if I should try and lean out and see more muscle definition. The in body tells me I'm about 17 and a half percent body fat. So I don't know if that's accurate, but I just feel like I'm not at the physique I want. And I feel stuck. All right. You need to be, you need to take it easy on yourself. Wow. Okay, let's just, let's just, let's just do the rundown here. 300 pounds squat. Let's do the rundown here. You're 23. I think you need to recognize all this. You're obviously fit. Okay. You can bench 155 pounds, squat 300 and deadlift 315. You are a muscle, maybe you're not a mommy, but you are in that category of a muscle person. In your comment, in your email you said, you want to be able to walk down the street and people think, wow, she hits the gym. I guarantee you people think that. They do already. Yeah. Now here's the positive. You're 23. You're max muscle and strength peak. You haven't even hit yet. I know everybody talks about like, you know, early 20s and this and that. No, no, no. When people lift weights and they're trying to get muscle and get stronger, most people hit their peak through consistent training right around mid 30s. You got more muscle. You can, and you're already crushing. I mean, Doug's pulling up your pictures. You're back canal. Yeah. You're killing it. It's jacked. Yeah. So I, I think you're being really hard on yourself. But you want some advice. All right. Here you go. If you know, I think bulking is fine. I think cutting is fine for you too because your calories are so high. So you could go on a cut just to have some fun. Get yourself down to 15, 14% body fat. That'll be kind of cool. Take it slow. Then go back on a bulk. Honestly, your best bet is going to be to alternate between bulking and cutting. But if your ultimate goal is to build muscle mass, I would spend about two thirds of the time in a bulk and about one third of the time in a cut. And that's going to get you a nice even muscle, you know, minimal body fat gain over time. But God, you're, you're killing it. One of the, one of the hardest or worst parts about getting as strong and as fit as you already are is that expectation of it's going to keep going this way. Like you, you have reached a, a physique at this point and strength level at this point, this young in your life. I don't know a lot of women that could deadlift 315 pounds. I don't know. I mean, I know people that have been lifting their whole life that won't hit some of these numbers, won't look like you look like. So you, you have to know that and the gains that you probably saw on the last say three years, that's not going to happen anymore. That you're just not going to see those types of. So I think you're going to, where you're going to be, have to be at. And we've talked about this on the show is it gets really important to start to focus on different goals. So I don't want to tell you what your goal needs to be. I don't want to tell you, you can't get bulkier, build more of an upper body. It's to each their own, but for keeping yourself happy and sane, I think it's a good exercise to venture out into other goals. And that doesn't mean you can't revisit that goal, but if you stay so focused on that goal all the time and you, you're going to get frustrated because you're not, you're just not, I don't see your squat going up to 350 or 400 pounds anytime soon. I don't see you getting, you know, adding even that much more muscle to your upper body. I mean, you're in really, and we'll definitely post your photos so the audience can see what we're talking about. Like you're in, you're in incredible shape and you're an unbelievably strong already. And so it can be discouraging to be just focused on that all the time. So that's, that's my. Yeah, I definitely think shifts in the goal, but still making it something obviously strength related will benefit the overall whole. The byproduct will be your body will change and shift in a little bit of different direction. Most of the times it's desirable. I think too, like in terms of like getting people's attention and whatnot, I know you guys have mentioned this multiple times when you lean out a bit more and your muscles are defined a bit more. It's definitely stands out. So even just, you know, going through that process of, of leaning out a bit, coming back and building muscle again. I think, I think you're going to get a lot of what you're, you're seeking. Yeah, and you're in a healthy, you're in a healthy place to do all it. How long have you been lifting consistently? Probably three and a half years. Well, I started with CrossFit and long endurance running. And then I listened to why women should bulk. And I was like, okay, well, I'm not doing the right thing. So I stopped doing CrossFit and I started following like a progressive overload strength training. So Jesus Christ. So in three years, you went for, you went, these are your lifts. Yeah, yeah. I think, I think you'll get close to 400 pounds with your squat. It's going to take some time. You're already, But you're going to get diminishing. I'm going to tell you this though. You're going to start to get diminishing returns because you're so strong that now you're flirting with, is it worth it to add 50 pounds to these lifts? That's why I recommend going a different direction. What, are you following any of our programs? Yeah, I'm doing maps strong right now. And I'm hoping to do, well, I was going to do anabolic again. And then after that, I was going to do maps power lift. I think, have you done symmetry? Not yet. Okay. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to do map symmetry. And then I want you to do maps anabolic advanced. I think those are the programs. I've done maps anabolic advanced. I loved it. Dude, are you kidding me? No way. I would like to, I like to see her old time. The old time. Oh, thank you. Bro, old time, bro. That's right. That's a new program. In fact, she's already strong as fuck. And this it'll be very. It'll take you completely out of mind. Out of body. So different. It's so different. We're going to send you our new program. By the way, I love the fact that you're new to gravitate towards strong anyways, because that would have been another recommendation. So the fact that you're doing maps strong, I think that's got a lot of unique movements, probably you're not used to in there. So that's great for you. Old timey strength is going to be even more unique. Yeah. That's that's great. And I selfishly just want to see what you could do. Yeah. Yeah. This competition part. I'd love to see you in there. Hey, you know, there's one thing you missed. You didn't, you didn't tell us. Doug scroll down here. You, you had a eating disorder before you started all this training? I did. Yeah. That was part of my long endurance cardio. I mean, that's actually the reason I became a personal trainer is because I was so miserable. I was trying to lose as much weight as possible. I was trying to just be the smallest version of myself working out like three hours a day. And again, like I started listening to you and you guys really saved my life. And that's part of the reason I went into personal training is that so I can save other women from that. You are a tremendous success story. So that's incredible, especially at your age. You're doing a great job. Maps, old time strength, follow it. You're going to love the program. And I think when you go back to, especially your deadlift will probably go up as a result. We'll get even stronger for sure. Yeah. I do have one more question. If you have time. We do. Fire away. What are the odds that a woman can bench 225 pounds? Because that's my big, big goal. But I feel like it was so hard for me. My legs are so strong, but my upper body has always been a huge challenge. And it was a struggle for me to hit a plate. And I just feel like my body's kind of talking to me at 155. Like sometimes I feel it in my ulnar nerve. And I don't know. Is it a realistic goal for a woman to shoot for 225? First of all, benching 155 pounds at your body weight is insane. Marina was hard for me to get to a plate. Yeah. So 225, very, very few women can bench two plates. And weigh what you weigh. That's a super. I'm pretty sure any woman that's benched at over 225 is probably not. Yeah. Now someone as strong as you, in such a short period of time, I would say your odds are much higher. Than the average person. You obviously have some genetic gifts along with the fact that you're consistent with your training. But to bench that much, you're going to have to go straight, dedicated powerlifting style training. But I'm going to tell you something right now, Marina. You're not going to feel as good as you do now trying to push something like that. So you're talking about your ulnar nerve and joint stuff. You're going to sacrifice a lot of joint health and stuff chasing that. Maybe you should for shits and giggles though, just go to a powerlifting meet and put yourself in. Because I bet you you fucking win. I think you'll do, especially with your deadlift. I think you would already probably win. Those numbers I think are tested, drug tested. Yeah. Yeah. I think you already would be in, in the upper, you know, top, top five percentile in powerlifting. I think you would, you'd be blown away. Are you taking, you taking creatine? Yes. Yeah. All right. Good. Steroids. That's all. I feel like you'd shoot up. No, no. Steroids. She's all night yet. Don't do that. Don't do that. No, it's tempting. No, no, no, no, no, no. That was sarcastic. That's what you want to start peeing standing up. Don't do that. No, no, no, no. You're doing a great job, Marina. You are. Yeah. Thank you, Skye, so much. You got it. And thanks for being a great trainer. Yeah. Thank you. Bye-bye. I love it when people are like, how do I get buffed and strong and they're hella buffed and strong? Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, are you asking me a real question? Already a minute. This feels like it's not a real question. I mean, she's like, you're talking about a genetic freak right there. Yeah, dude. I mean, she's... Three years of lifting? Yeah, she looks crazy. That's one of the strongest, like 23-year-olds I know. She's 23. Yeah. I'm pretty sure she's stronger than me in almost every lift right now. Yeah. I don't think that's... Maybe I got her. I'm positive. Maybe I got her. Maybe. She's taking a fight. That's cool. I'd say, hey, listen, this is for listeners. I actually had this conversation with Kyle earlier. He was one of our editors, a really strong kid, young too. If you actually pay attention to lifters, everybody thinks, oh, you peak at 18 or 20. Listen, if you lift consistently, your best lifts are probably going to be around mid-30s. This is just statistically how it is. Or at least 30. Yeah, so you can lift in your 20s and be like, oh, my God, I'm never going to hit this again. If you're good and consistent, you take care of yourself a lot of stuff and nothing goes wrong, you'll probably hit more numbers up until you get to your mid-30s. Well, that just highlights how much of a skill this is. That's right. You know, it's like... And what training does. Well, speaking of... Yeah, that's why I'm selfish. I'm glad you brought up old time because I just really want to see her go through that. Somebody that has that capability of... Strength-wise and to apply it in such an unconventional direction. And that's going to benefit so many things for her when she goes to pursue your power lifts. I want to see her do the strength test. Yeah, Marina, if you listen to this, make sure you follow up with us. I'd love to hear her... In fact, you would... Get her in the forum. Yeah, put her in the forum. I know, what the hell? Because I want to see her go through old timey. I just can't wait to see what she can do. Awesome. Our next caller is Candice from Tennessee. Hi, Candice. How can we help you? Hi, guys. Thank you for having me on. I just want to say I've been listening for over five years and have been cheering you guys on from the sidelines since I found you. Thank you. I am thrilled about what you have grown, not just with your business, but your own personal self-development. It's been great to watch that. And thank you for being so courageous and putting all of your wisdom and knowledge out there for us. Thank you so much. Thank you. No problem. So my question is pertaining to something that keeps happening to me while I'm working. I'm a 42-year-old mental health therapist and I have an overall clean diet. So I try to stay away from refined sugars and preservatives as much as possible. But I'm noticing after a really intense session and it's usually it's when I'm working with couples where their emotional reactivity is really high. My body is like feeling the heightened energy in the room. But I have to stay really sharp and really focused during those times. So after the session ends, I get like an over-the-top feeling like an overwhelming urge for carbs of any kind. So I'll start rummaging through my desk drawers and I'm going in the kitchen looking for anything that I can eat really quickly because I have like two to five minutes before the next session starts. And full transparency, if I find gummy bears, I will eat a handful of those within like five seconds. And anything else that I reach for, like I've tried almond butter, I've tried pistachios, it doesn't seem to quench that craving. So my question is, I'm wondering if you have insight to why this might be happening. Is it a glucose issue or is something else being depleted? And then also if you have suggestions for what I should be reaching for, that would provide my body with what it needs and not disrupt my diet so much. Candice, are there... People would be so surprised to see how much the brain utilizes of glucose and you put yourself into a mental battle like that. I can't imagine the way your brain is having to operate. It requires so much energy. So much energy. And on another level, when you have a profession like that, and so it's actually very normal that you would crave something like that and you've made the connection of specifically like what type of sessions. Like that's, I imagine, very stressful, a lot of thinking, processing, real time. That can be incredibly draining and very normal. Let's parse this out. Do you have any other signs of low glucose? Do you have anxiety, energy crashes, nausea, dizziness, like cold sweat? I do not. Okay. And I've tested my levels several times and they're normal. That's not that, then. So here's what's happening. And you know this, actually. You know what's going on because once I tell you, then you're going to be like, oh yeah, of course. When people feel a great deal of stress or anxiety or fear or challenge, we tend to want to comfort ourselves with something that gives us a little bit of reprieve. And there's a lot of different ways to do this. There's better ways than others. And sugary or starchy foods are hyper palatable and they give us a, it's like a sense of relief. Like, oh, it's enjoyable to eat this. It's a break. It's a break from the intense session that you just had. It has nothing to do with your glucose levels. If you're not getting any of the symptoms and you tested your glucose. So this is not a physiological thing in that sense. This is more of a mental thing or psychological thing or behavioral thing that happens where you just need a break in between sessions because what you just did, it's like a reset. Because you got this, you just went through one. You got to switch and now you got to meet with someone else. You don't want to carry that into the next session. So subconsciously you're like, I need a break. This tastes good. This feels good. And for five minutes I get a tiny break. The only way that this is going to be remedies if you find a substitute. Okay, so the techniques that you teach your clients on how to get themselves to recenter themselves and to feel better or give themselves a short break. Let's say that they start to lose it with their kids or their spouse or those techniques that you teach them. You can actually apply on yourself, Candice. And that you would have to build a relationship with those things. So it takes a second just like when you teach your clients. Hey, when you're arguing, you feel yourself get elevated, take a break. It's like a practice to get used to it. But once they do it, it's like, okay, this is great. So you have to find yourself a replacement for that. Otherwise, it's not going to go away. I could say eat a protein meal. But like you said, it doesn't do it for you because it's not giving you the, that it doesn't feel good in the same way. So it's not giving you that kind of break. So I would think of something else that could do that for you. It could be meditation. It could be stretching. That's really hard to do. That's the direction I was thinking. Yeah, it could be music. It'd be going outside. It could be belly breathing. You know more techniques than I do in this particular case. But that's what's happening is you're looking for reprieve and that candy or the sugar or starches is what's giving it to you. I think there's a possibility it could be a combination of that with still something going on nutritionally. What does your food look like heading into these sessions? How do you normally eat? So like, do you have any idea how many carbs you eat in a normal day? And then about how many calories are what you would have done before you go into these sessions? Yeah. So usually I stick around 2000 calories a day. I will admit usually my carbs are lower and my fat intakes higher. My protein, I usually get around 100-120 grams a day. And I eat high protein for breakfast because a lot of times I don't even know if I'm so busy I might not even get a lunch. So I try to eat protein so I'm satiated but probably not as many carbs in the morning. That's actually better. That's a good thing. Yeah, it's actually a good thing. So I thought it might be the opposite and then was going to suggest to you to do exactly what you're already doing. I don't think it's a nutrition thing. Well, I mean, you can still- I'm sorry. I'll also try. Like I do the breathing techniques, right? So I do have like a 15-minute breathing and meditation but I don't know if this might be a part of it too but I've thought about like I can feel in my body like the adrenaline pumping. Yeah. Even though logically, you know, I'm very focused and centered. I have a background where I was in a pretty abusive childhood and so it's like my body will do that and when they leave it's almost like I can feel that something dropped and then I just want to grab and inhale sugar. Well, then that definitely- Yeah, so what's happened- Highlights with salsa. Yeah, what's happened is you've found some reprieve- It's an association, yeah. And now you've built a relationship with it and so now it's become very effective at doing what you're looking, what you're trying to get. You're not going to find a replacement for it that is going to give you what that gives you right out the gates because you've already developed this relationship. How long have you been doing this for, for example? Five years. Yeah, so you have developed a five-year relationship with this to the point where your body anticipates it and you get relief before you even probably process or- Just knowing you're going to do it. Right, so it's going to take some time to develop a new relationship with a new practice but the only way to do it is to create a new relationship and replace that behavior because honestly not doing anything is going to be too much of a jump. Yeah, so what do you think, Sal? I mean, my suggestion would be like a bridge to that which would be like finding a better- So I love these like, you know, I have a sweet tooth, right? So I can definitely relate to like that type of craving and feeling- Some fruit option or something. Well, or some sort of like, you know, high protein sugary fruit bar like thing that you make like a homemade version. Like we make these incredible like peanut butter balls that we make that are like definitely when I'm craving sweet foods, it gives me that kick. So have you tried like replacing it with just a better choice? You can still have sugar in it but just a healthier or more balanced like macro profile that has some protein- A little more fiber in there to kind of- Yeah, a little bit of air. Have you tried stuff like that? Honestly, the only other thing that I've tried besides healthy nuts is dark chocolate. So I'll eat a dark chocolate bar but it doesn't have the protein and the fiber that you're mentioning. Can you have dairy? Yes. You know, full-fat yogurt with fruit or honey. I've had clients who found that to be kind of a nice bridge and you get the fat, you get the protein, you get the sugar. It's palatable. It's pretty palatable. And so it can do- Even something crazy like magic spoon. I would use that as a bridge potentially too. Yeah, you can smoke a cigarette. Nice menthol. Yeah, yeah, calm it down. It calms me down. No, I mean, I'm just trying to find something to bridge this, right? Because I think you're right. Going from somebody who's already connected the gummy bears and stuff like that to going to nuts, you're just not going to get that satisfaction. So something like that that'll give you a little bit of sweet, but it's just a better, healthier choice. This is, I think, a great place to potentially use something like magic spoon. There's value there. You know what else to? This helped me a lot, okay? And I'm assuming therapists are similar to trainers in the sense that we are much better with how we work with our people. Like I give really good advice to my clients. Then when it comes to taking my own advice, sometimes I don't, a lot of times I should say I don't do it. So practice that. Okay, if I was my own patient, what would I say? Let me go through this experience. Let me do this. And what it's going to do is it's also going to make you a better therapist because now you're going to feel the experience of changing the behavior and what it feels like. And the reason why I'm saying that to you, Candice, is you're probably a therapist because you really care about helping people. And so that might be a strong motivator. And be like, okay, I know I'm doing this and this sucks. I'm doing this to become a better therapist. I'm experienced this, this sucks. I know what it feels like. Oh, I got to create this new behavior, but I'm going to do it. And then, and then I know it's going to help me communicate this to other people because I'm experiencing it myself. That tends to work with me motivational-wise. If I start to put myself in the shoes of my client and then say it's going to make me a better trainer, then I tend to be a little bit more motivated because I used to care so much about helping them. So if you try to... Yeah, I've absolutely suggested Greek yogurt with fruit to my clients when they talk about cravings, but it's not something that I reach for. So you're right. Yes, we don't practice a lot of the times the things that we're preaching. So, Candice, you're a mental health expert, right? Can I ask you a question? Sure. What's wrong with Adam? I'm just kidding. I've had what he's not. I'm just kidding. He's not a narcissist. I've heard that come up. Adam is not a narcissist. No. Thank you, Candice. Can we clip that, please? I'm going to need to use that, please. One more question. Make sure. Why am I always wrong at home? What's going on here? I'm always wrong. What's the deal? Because you're the male in the relationship. Oh, wow. I like you. I'll get your phone number afterwards. This is awesome. No, I hope that helps you out, Candice, but that's tough, man. It's tough to replace something that's worked so well in the sense of helping you transition from one patient to another or client to another. So it's going to be a switch. There's going to be a process. It's probably going to take months of starting to feel like I'm getting something out. I'm getting out of this new behavior, what I used to get out of the old one, but there's going to be a period there where it's going to suck for a little while. So I also want to point out, I mean, I think this is all a very healthy, good conversation that we're having and good to be growth-minded working on all this stuff. A handful of gummy bears after a crazy session like that every now and then isn't also the worst. Oh, I'm so glad you said that. You look like you're fit and pretty damn healthy. It's not that big of a deal. Yeah. So you also have some compassion for yourself that, hey, you know what? You just fucking went through the ringer with these people and probably brought up a bunch of your shit and that gummy bear, I mean, it's definitely better than the menthol. Yeah, you're not smoking menthol. So it's not, I mean, I would be more concerned that if this is something that leads to this, like spiraling down, like you have a gummy bear and then after that, you decide to go with fast food and then you slap on the ice cream for dessert. And so then I'd be like, okay, let's, let's see where the root cause is, what's triggering it and how that's leading you down that path. But you look pretty healthy and fit to me. And you know what? I'm so glad you said that, Adam. That is a hundred percent, you know, like if you really want to do this and it really bothers you, what we said earlier, but if you think you're being a little too hard on yourself, that, hey, look, that might be the, let me ask you this, if you were your own patient, what would you say to them? I bet you would say something like what Adam just said, wouldn't you? Yeah, for sure. And I get told quite often that I'm too hard on myself and I don't give myself the compassion that I freely give to others. Wow. Adam hit the nail on the head there you go, Adam, enjoy your gummy bears. All right. Well, thank you. It's just good to know that there's not something I need to be watching out for nutritionally. So that'll help me be a little easier on myself. I think you're doing great. Thanks, Candice. Thank you. Appreciate it. Damn, I'm glad you said that afterwards. That's that was it right there. Well, you know, I was like, I'm looking at her. I can tell she's in good shape, you know, 42 years old. I know what I mean. And I'm like, handful of gummy bears. I mean, let's be honest. Looks sad as a bad behavior, but that's not even that. Mini calories. She's low carb, heading into it. I mean, God, there's fucking doctors that recommend you do gummy bears for workouts. I'm saying there's a literal doctor. So that's absolutely true. I used to train, no joke. I used to train a doctor. He was a cancer doctor. His job was so stressful. Obviously you're telling people they're going to die and all that stuff. It was so stressful. He smoked cigarettes and he changed smoke. And he told me in like secret, he's like, don't let, you know, this is terrible, but I know I work with cancer. He's like, I smoke because it's the only thing that helps me deal with all the stress or whatever. And I can kind of understand. I'm like, shit, it doesn't make sense on one hand, but it does on the other hand. So that's why she could smoke and work for other people. All right. Look, if you like the show, head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our health and fitness guides. They're totally free. They cost you $0. Go check it out. You can also find all of us on social media. Justin, the fan favorite is at Mind Pump. Justin, you can find me at Mind Pump to Stefano. And Adam is at Mind Pump, Adam.