 Okay, Mr. Rose, if you can check your camera and mic for us and we'll go ahead and rename you for the meeting. All right. Hope you can see me and hope you can hear me as well. We can see and hear you. Thank you. Thank you. Patty, do you want to go ahead and wait for Board Member Sharon? Or should we go ahead and get started? He is in the process of logging on and we can give him about 30 seconds or so. Okay, that'd be great. And then if everybody else could turn their cameras on and then right when Adam gets here, we'll get rolling. Okay, Board Member Sharon, if you can check out your camera and mic, make sure they both work. Does my mic work? I can hear you. Just fine. And see. Roll down. There you are. Okay, we can see and hear you. Sorry. Running into gets the meeting. Thank you. That's okay. Hey, and then Warren, can you turn your video on? There's the only one missing. I just sent him a quick message. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. We can't see you. Yeah. I've been disabled. I've tried several times. In fact, my iPad says, cannot start your video because the host is disabled. So let's take a look here. Yeah, sorry about that. If your camera's on, we turn it off. You don't have the ability to turn it off. Okay. Vice Chair Hitchbeth, maybe you might need to log out and log back in. Fine. I don't have an option. Vice Chair, you should be able to do it now. We're all here and gathered and everybody's on video, which is fantastic. So it's, what is it, 433. So I like to call the regularly scheduled meeting of the Design Review Board to order on June 3rd. And then I'm going to read while we're in this virtual setting. Due to the provisions of the Governor's Executive Orders N2520 and N2920, which to spend certain requirements of the Brown Act and the order of the Health Officer of the County of Sonoma to shelter in place to minimize the spread of COVID-19, the Design Review Board will be participating via Zoom webinar. Members of the public can participate in the meeting virtually. The meeting ID is 948-0971-1719 or you can call in toll-free 877-853-5257 and enter the meeting ID as I've read it. You can access the meeting via Zoom link. You can provide public comment on the agenda items and any additional information is listed on the city website. The meeting will also be live-streamed on the city's website and also can be viewed on Comcast Channel 28 and also on the city's YouTube channel. So Patty, can I get a roll call please? Yes, let the record reflect that all board members are present. Excellent. So did everybody get a chance to look at the May 20th, 2021 minutes? I submitted a change to Patty just because something seemed out of order that we there was a recess perhaps after I left. That was the only change I saw. So with that no other comments. Let's enter the minutes into the record. So at this time we'll entertain any public comment from the public about items germane and relevant to this board's purview but not on items that are on our agenda for this evening. So is there any member of the public wishing to speak to the board at this time for items not on the agenda for today? Chair Weigel we have it looks like 36 people in attendance. I'm not sure how many are public but no hands raised at this time. So if anyone would like to speak if you raise your hand if you have an item that's not on the agenda I don't see any raised hands. Seeing no raised hands we will close public comment at this time. Moving on to item four board business I'm going to read our purview and our description from the zoning code. Zoning code chapter 2052.030F project review. The review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties in the city in general. Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements e.g. city policy statements and development plans. So I think something is of note in our from the zoning code here the design review board does not have purview over land use we do not have purview over certain elements of CEQA dependent but I believe the items we have for review tonight we do not have authority over their CEQA documents at this time either they've already been passed or there is no CEQA documentation and then also I think one other thing that we don't have purview over would be you know something like an appeal to the city council or something like that so just wanted to remind everyone the public that of what we do have purview over do we have any board member reports for this evening seeing none we'll go to department reports bill thank you chair weigel board members good evening no specific reports for tonight I just wanted to mention a little bit regarding tonight's agenda we do have two items as you heard the recording secretary indicate we have a number of people in the in attendance we don't know how many will choose to speak but we will be implementing the three-minute time rule for public speakers and we would just ask the board members as well as we've said previously in other meetings if you hear comments that are things that you agree with you can just reiterate your support of those in an effort to keep the move the meeting moving along efficiently tonight so with that I'll turn it back to you chair weigel yes thanks interim deputy director rose another reminder for the board just to tack on what bill said keep your comments brief if possible and then if you've heard something that somebody else has stated just don't go down a rabbit hole on that one I know sometimes we have a tendency to do that and then also just as a reminder to the public again the three-minute rule but its items germane and relevant to our purview so please keep that in mind when you're making your public comment germane and relevant to our design review purview so any so moving on statements of abstention on items 8.1 and 8.2 anybody yes chair weigel vice chair hedgeback I will be abstaining from item 8.2 because I've had previous association with the applicant ah sorry couldn't unmute myself there okay so moving on then to item 8.1 which is a public hearing for Santa Rosa farm group cannabis cultivation facility a design review major at 800 Yolanda Avenue file number dr 17-078 and at this time I'd like to turn it over to acting supervising planner triple to give us the staff presentation great thank you chair weigel and good afternoon members of the design review board uh chair if you're able to hear me just give me a thumbs up I would appreciate that thank you I'll go ahead and share my presentation so this afternoon's presentation is Andrew Andrew I'm I'm so sorry to interrupt that chair weigel I'm not certain if you did an ex parte disclosure on this oh I I forgot you're correct my apologies thank you need to do ex parte disclosure on this item since it is a scheduled uh item I did not have any ex parte communication aside from an email from the applicant's law firm I believe and I think everybody got that did anybody else have any other communication with the applicant I got an email and a text conversation with the law firm associated with the project too we didn't even discuss the project it was just main hoping that I received the email that's all okay so sorry about that I forgot we just we've been on a run of concept reviews it seems I always forget the ex parte disclosure there so uh Andrew your turn now thanks okay great no worries thank you so we're still good sharing my presentation all is in order excellent well we'll go ahead and get started then thanks again this is a major design review preliminary design review for the santa rosa farm group cannabis cultivation facility located at 800 yolanda avenue and uh i imagine triple the uh project planner for this project so the request entitlement this evening is a preliminary design review for development of an approximately 116 000 square foot industrial building which would be developed for cultivation manufacturing distribution and testing laboratory cannabis land uses brief project history in may of 2017 pre application neighborhood meeting was held as well as concept design review was conducted in november of 2017 project applications were submitted the project did go through an extended planning review process and in april of this year 2021 was brought before the planning commission on april eighth of 2021 planning commission adopted the initial study mitigated negative declaration seek what document for the project as well as the mitigation monitoring and reporting program ended approved a major conditional use permit to allow the cannabis land uses as proposed as well as the site plan that has been proposed for this project and then at the end of may we provided public hearing noticing for today's public hearing so the project is located um on the southwest corner of yolanda avenue and petaluma hill road current site development is a mixture of a residential and um light industrial type of development of approximately one third to one half of the site is currently developed with some portions of undeveloped areas the general plan land use designation is light industrial and our light industry and the zoning is light industrial i would like to point out here that we do see a great example of how this yolanda avenue light industrial district extends down along yolanda avenue to petaluma hill road what is a bit unusual for our light industrial districts is that this one in particular does on both the north and south sides about residential land uses as well as for this project in particular there are residential land uses to the east of the project across petaluma hill road so we we zoom in a bit more closely on the land use and zoning aspects of the project the proposed project is consistent with the general plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements the city's design guidelines and other applicable city requirements the site and building designs reflect the project's location in an area designated as light industry on the general plan land use diagram and this area this designation is intended to accommodate light industrial warehousing and heavy commercial uses the proposed development is in compliance with development standards pursuant to zoning code chapters 20-24 for light industrial zoning districts as well as chapter 20-46 which is the city's comprehensive cannabis ordinance so this is the proposed site plan that was approved by planning commission in april and here we can see the the locations of proposed development parking area circulation as well as those undeveloped areas that would remain here's the site plan overlaid upon a current aerial image and again we see how the the undeveloped areas would be retained for approximately 50 of the site the design and layout of the proposed development would not interfere with the use and enjoyment of neighboring existing or future developments the site plan does include two entry points on yolanda avenue that will avoid unnecessary vehicle stacking for employees entering from the east and a parking analysis prepared by fey fair and peers in august of 2019 concluded that while the zoning code requires 120 parking spaces for the use the 85 parking spaces proposed and approved on the site plan would be adequate to accommodate the estimated peak parking demand for the project of 75 spaces and so a parking reduction was approved by the planning commission in april i think that this is consistent with a comments provided by the design review board in 2017 during concept design review when design review board recommended that the the zoning code required amount of parking was more than sufficient and could be reduced and so here we have proposed development overlaid on the site plan the proposed development would not be detrimental to the public health safety or welfare or materially injurious to properties or improvements in the vicinity the site is in an area that is designated for light industrial and commercial uses it's surrounded to the north and west by similar commercial industrial areas and to the east and south by undeveloped land designated for residential uses the project is required to comply with the city's noise ordinance and all outdoor and outdoor lighting ordinance and all utilities and emergency services are available to this site here we have some renderings of the proposed building design in the upper left hand corner of view from petaluma hill road then we move to the upper east or the upper right hand image which is from yolanda avenue and then the lower images are both from yolanda avenue and then from within the site itself the architectural design of the proposed development is compatible with the character of the surrounding industrial area in that the modern industrial design will enhance the design aesthetic of the existing commercial and industrial development in the yolanda avenue light industrial district the building setback rear wall design with limited fenestration and the boundary wall with landscaping ensure compatibility with the residential uses adjacent to the project site here we can see a rendering of the building height and massing showing its location relative to the general area the design of the proposed development will provide a desirable environment for its occupants visiting public and its neighbors through the appropriate use of materials texture and color it would remain aesthetically appealing and would be appropriately maintained and it is appropriate for the use and location of the proposed development it would achieve the goals review criteria and findings for approval as set forth in the framework of design review in that the modern design of the industrial building is unique to santa rosa these next several slides will reflect the floor plans of the interior of the building and really demonstrate why the building exhibits a limited amount of fenestration which does reflect those cannabis uses predominantly the cultivation use within the building the ground floor area has the office spaces employee use spaces and such we also have the lab a small warehouse and then the manufacturing drying trimming and distribution land use areas the floors two and three are similar in that they are essentially cultivation areas and the applicant will go into more detail there we can see here these grow rooms that are located on floors two and three and then finally the landscape plan pursuant to the tree preservation and mitigation report prepared by horticultural associates in 2017 the total trunk diameter of trees to be removed is 675 inches per the requirements of the city's tree ordinance a total of 225 15 gallon trees would have to be replanted as mitigation for the approved tree removal coast redwood native trees represent about 414 inches of the total trunk diameter of trees to be removed and so at least 138 of the 225 gallon or of the 225 15 gallon trees are required to be coast redwoods and this condition is included in the approved conditional use permit that was reviewed by planning commission there is an equivalency metric that can be used such that the 15 gallon trees could be combined to plant larger size trees 24 inch 36 inch 48 inch in such box trees if desired by the applicant the applicant could also opt to pay for a portion of the mitigation requirement by contributing $100 per 15 gallon tree to the city's tree fund for replanting of trees on city properties so the condition of approval does require that the applicant as the landscape plan is finalized and the project moves forward to building permit that the applicant submit a tree replanting program proposing the replanting options and that could include some mitigation in the form of payment so as I mentioned a sequel document was adopted by planning commission it was a mitigated negative declaration and it did include mitigation measures related to air quality biological resources cultural resources soils hazardous resources and hydrology resources and this is a mitigation monitoring and reporting program that will for which compliance will be required and will be checked against the project as it continues through the development process I would also like to note here we did have a concern expressed about the approval of new development during a period of water shortage and the city's process related to addressing the water shortage is to review its water usage we have plans in place for water usage and they do address drought conditions and as at this point in time the city has not implemented any extraordinary steps to address the drought conditions so all project issues have been resolved I do want to note for the design review board that there is a condition of approval on the conditional use permit that the conditional use permit shall be valid for four-year period typically our all of our entitlement approvals are valid for a two-year period and so if the permit has not been exercised within 48 months following the date on which the permit was granted then the approval would automatically expire and be invalid unless an application for extension was filed prior to the expiration this is not included on the design reboot review board resolution preliminary design review resolution before the board this evening however if the board chooses to add that as a condition of approval then staff is happy to provide that language when a motion is made to adopt the preliminary design review resolution with regards to neighborhood comments a variety of comments have been received throughout the process ranging from the neighborhood meeting in 2017 and then through the CEQA document review process and then planning commission and in fact up to today in general concerns expressed included the loss of neighborhood tranquility the potential for increased risk or of crime or violence due to the land use loss of privacy and aesthetics odor groundwater contamination potential for increased fire risk a potential for decrease in property values and a preference for two-story development as opposed to three-story development some of these comments shown reflected here on the slide do apply to the land use that was approved by planning commission but design review board may want to take them into account as it considers the design review today additionally we received comments yes since we're sitting on this real quick can you can you just go over which one of these items is was is specifically related to the land use just so everybody can understand i know we may want to include them but i think it's important to understand which ones of these are specifically related to land use sure so i think concerns about the loss of neighborhood tranquility in that there is development of the site and then the uses that were approved for the site you know development of that site for industrial uses would increase the level of activity that that throughout the area and then of course the increased risk of crime and violence that's perceived to be related to cannabis uses the loss of privacy and aesthetics from the implementation of security measures i think spans both as the project seeks to implement perimeter fencing and security checkpoints and such there is an aesthetic component and to those operative operationalization of those security measures that might be considered by the design review board today and then the preference for two-story as opposed to three-story development i think that's more how the design of the building at that height successfully addresses the proposed development while the the land uses were approved at those square footages i don't believe it would be under the purview of design review board today to take on the height of the building as a discretionary consideration there are in comments received from the public some other considerations that design review board will want to consider one member of the public commented that it that it was initially proposed as an industrial farm style building and didn't want didn't prefer the changes to the design that were proposed today and also there were concerns expressed by a couple members of the public about the exterior lighting and the potential impact that it would have on the neighbors to the south even though the lighting outdoor lighting would be required to comply with the city's outdoor lighting ordinance in that there cannot be any glare on adjacent properties they have to stay within the maximum requirements for a light bleed onto adjacent properties and such a couple of the comments suggested that the down a more of a downward focus of exterior lighting could help to minimize lighting glare as well as perhaps reducing the height of the lighting from 15 feet to a lower height so that there would be less of a glow impact upon the adjacent residential uses additionally one comment was mentioned and identified a discussion at the neighborhood meeting where the applicant in the neighborhood had engaged in in conversation about retaining the water feature to be maintained or reconstructed on the site this is not proposed in the current project and planning's position on this is that a there was that that was a non-binding discussion on the project however a design review board may want to take this this comment into account and bring that up as an item for discussion and review and then finally there was a comment related to tree plantings and the line of coast live oaks proposed along the southerly of rear line of the property to provide the screening the the member of the public mentioned that coast live oaks are notorious for getting sudden death sudden oak death syndrome and requested that the board consider another species of evergreen tree all of those comments have been shared with you they were provided earlier as late correspondence summarized for the record today but then also the comments themselves are included in the project's public record and so with that it is recommended by the planning and economic development department that the design review board approved preliminary design review for the santa rosa farm group cannabis facility new construction at 800 yolanda avenue staff is available to answer any questions and the applicant including the applicants design team and legal counsel are available and would like to offer a presentation and be available for questions as well thanks andrew um so let's take it back to the board here real quick do we have any questions of staff at this time anybody have questions of staff sprays your hand if you have questions andrew let's go with you uh yeah senior banner triple can you can you tell me about um planning commission's action on the um areas of the site art that are designated as undeveloped is that a restriction that's been placed on the perpetuity of the use or is it any use that came along those areas would be designated as undeveloped because of wetlands or if you could please explain that to me sure and that's a great question thank you those areas that are designated as undeveloped are specific to the site plan so there is no other regulatory body that's restricting development of those areas um the sequa document does also use the same site plan and so it does identify those areas as undeveloped should development be proposed in the future then um it would be subject to a discretionary action and uh sequa review would be required for future development but there's nothing under the current project there's no overarching regulation that would prohibit development of those areas identified as undeveloped okay thank you for that and then um the i know i could look it up but you could you probably have a data at your hands really quick uh the isle zoning maximum height is 50 feet 55 feet 55 feet all right great thank you the the project was originally proposed at 50 feet obviously at this point in time uh you know decisions have not been made about the mechanical systems and such that might be roof mounted and so the applicant prior to as we were entering into the final stages of planning review asked if um it could modify the proposed project to extend that height to 55 feet um in the event that there's roof mounted mechanical equipment that would require screening or such all right uh any questions of staff from the remainder of the board just raise your hand from seeing none um i did want to point out uh that i think this is important um for everybody to understand uh the uh the planning commission's approval from april included the approval of the mitigated negative declaration correct it also included the odor mitigation plan the certified odor mitigation plan the tree preservation plan and uh also the uh i've lost it here uh no that was it those are the three big things that i was looking for so that was all approved by the planning commission and therefore is part of the entitlement that already exists as approved for this site correct okay cool right sure that is correct the one thing i would add with regard to the tree mitigation is that the applicant does uh still need to submit a tree replanting program in addition to its landscape plan that would be submitted as part of the building permit so to inform that tree replanting program especially since we have members of the board who are landscape architects uh would be great to to uh be informed by today's review so that as staff looks forward to evaluating that tree replanting program we are informed by comments from today thank you i think i'm sure chair i i also need to point out that um the design details for the the various accessory structures there's um a couple of kind of security structures at the at the entry points to the site as well as a utility building um design details are not provided by those by the current application so um what what staff would suggest is that the design review board consider conditionally approving and provides staff with guidance for future review of those buildings as they come in as part of the building permit application perfect thank you uh adam did you have a question uh thank you chair well yes excuse me andrew um i wanted to follow up just to clarify in that you in terms of the tree mitigation and tree replanting you're specifically looking for some some comments on and recommendations upon species and diversity that's so you can so staff can be informed going down the process that's correct the you know the um the landscape plan does propose tree plantings and so certainly evaluation of the landscape plan would be appropriate during today's preliminary design review but then also perhaps to respond to the comment from the member of the public who was concerned about the use of coast live oak trees around along the southern way uh border of rear border of the property so um i think that uh design review board's consideration of both would would uh be appropriate today excellent thank you thank you uh warren did you have a question you just you're muted warren my part yeah i just want to make sure um that andrew in the proceedings of the 2017 concept review there were minutes taken i believe they were forwarded on the applicant it was in regard to comments from the board that time back in 2017 regarding aluminum use of aluminum siding i just want to make sure those got to the applicant in their efforts uh they did and attachment 13 of your um meeting packet does include the applicant's response to those comments that were recorded in the minutes of the 2017 concept review okay thank you so i i think if you're feeling um or seeing that they weren't fully addressed then uh the applicant team is is here today and that would be a great great question for them thank you sure um so i guess if we're done with question go ahead yes thank you again just uh one one further question i'd been looking for specific language just to um and this is a question for staff then um it's not uh related to the uh the coast live oaks but the coast redwoods um there's a fair amount of replanting um of the redwoods um and in the resolution um or the there's language saying that at least 130 of the 15 gallon trees must be coast redwoods or a suitable alternative i'm just wondering why must it be the coast redwoods uh because the coast redwoods are heritage trees and so our policy is to uh for removal of heritage trees is to seek to replace heritage trees with heritage trees um but there also is a language or a suitable alternative right sometimes right sometimes we find that you know the environment where a heritage tree is located that's being removed it's just not a suitable environment uh for replanting and that's that's especially i think the case that we see with the coast redwoods um it's there as you well know they're very challenged in the urban environment um and so there we do look for those alternatives that would be more appropriate so the code gives us uh the tree ordinance gives us that flexibility okay so i wondered i was hoping or just wondering if what latitude there would be with that because you know of course as as you've mentioned um while they are native to the area that not necessarily native to the micro climate specifically if the standard was a plane and with it's been brought up in some of the public comments about climate change and drought and water usage um whether or not they're the most appropriate species to be replanting there are plenty of other heritage trees that could be replaced so there is language for that as well okay just wanted to get a little clarification on it thanks okay so uh if we're done with questions of staff i'd like to move on to the applicant presentation and then we'll go to public comment hey chair weigel yeah i'm sorry i'm sorry go ahead oh yeah i so we're going to do the applicant presentation uh and it looks like they're already have speaking privileges right patty correct that yeah i was just going to mention they can unmute at any time perfect and then uh but so just so everybody knows we're going to let the applicant speak then we're going to go to public comment um before we have comments uh questions and comments of the applicant and then potentially entertaining emotion i thought that might be a little more expedient for everybody so let's turn it over the applicant great and uh chair i will be controlling the applicant's presentation today so uh dana frank and and uh james when you're ready for me to change slides uh just go ahead and let me know please thank you thank you uh good evening chair weigel and members of the santa rosa design review board my name is frank blend i'm the architect for the project um i'm hoping that uh by comments won't overlap too much with but then andrew already told you that you did a fantastic job uh explaining the project to you and next slide the project proposes a total of four structures on the site the primary building is a three-story vertically integrated cannabis growing cultivating processing and manufacturing building the top two floors are identical and are comprised of four 5500 square foot growing rooms approximately um approximately total of 45 000 square feet of growing area the growing areas are supported by seedling nurseries and drying rooms the upper floors are accessed by two large freight elevators the nature of the activities require that the temperature and humidity of the spaces are kept within closed tolerances for the best crop outcomes and consistency of the product in the growing rooms the lighting and watering is tuned and tuned and timed to mimic both diurnal and seasonal rhythms the ground floor houses an operations office employee break in changing areas a lab a kitchen and an 11 000 square foot cannabis processing area receiving and distribution is conducted by a double wide truck loading bay on the east side of the building although the building is three-story side the overall height of 55 feet to the top of the parapet is just adequate to permit the high base base preferable for efficient operations while also screening rooftop equipment and solar panels excuse me and solar panels the second building on the side is a utility building for incoming power this building will also support a chiller plant and pumping station to support the air handling equipment in the main building a small gatehouse is located at each entrance to the site and will be architecturally integrated into the design of the boundary wall per the cup the total number of parking spaces on the site will be 85 excluding loading spaces three ADA parking stalls are located close to the building entrance a minimum 20 foot wide driveway encircles the building providing firetruck access to all sides and the site entrance gates are separated by approximately 300 feet to meet the fire department separation requirements along Yolanda 27 foot deep dedication along the entire 700 foot north property line is being provided for street improvements in line with the city of Santa Rosa's master plan the combination of trees shrubs and drought tolerant ground coverage proposed for the landscape areas trees will be more densely planted on the south property line to soften the project and eventually screen it completely from the neighboring developments as previously mentioned the upper floors of the building are windowless due to the nature of the activity security and to limit overlooking of the residential zones the upper two floors are wrapped in an architectural aluminum panel designed to reflect the character of the soft and prominent rolling hills visible to the east of the site we're a little out of sequence sorry I'm like I'm three slides back I think go back one more let's see the utility building yeah you can see the utility building on the left side here the utility building also a solid block is set back from the new property line by 80 feet and will be partially screened by the boundary wall and landscape strip and now you can go to the next slide the screen perimeter wall is designed to provide an aesthetic and functional response to the conditions presented around the site on the south and west it will be a solid eight foot high masonry wall on the north and east the wall is designed to provide a measure of transparency while still meeting the need to maintain a secure perimeter a combination of solid and open metalwork permits continuity of the landscape next slide so this slide shows a group of enthusiasts visiting the undeveloped area which is a natural habitat in the background the ground floor of the building features a mural artistically depicting the seasons of santa rosa next slide with some unsettled weather approaching from the west this slide shows the continuity continuation of the fence on the east coming around to the east side of the site so you're looking from petaluma hill road it also shows shows the dense tree line along the south property wall which we were just discussing and next slide employees are seen here checking results of their the lab tests in the background the cantilevered entry of canopy covers the entry port to go into the only visitor area of the building the the processes in in this building are very secure and can only be the areas of the building can only be visited by employees our staff of the building so there's just one one part of the building where outside people would visit and that would be to the administration office that's right there at the entrance and finally the next slide as mentioned earlier the material palette is relatively simple the building will have an understated elegance and largely anonymous since there is no real public contact and it is preferred that the nature of the business is not advertised and that's my presentation thank you very much excellent do we have any other commentary from the applicant team aside from the design architect this is a gym pew i'm legal counsel for santa rosa farms and i just want to reiterate one item that relates to the entitlement term that staff brought up originally so due to a variety of circumstances covid economic recovery etc the planning commission approved a 48 month term to exercise the entitlement and as i'm sure the design review board knows you have a 24 month in your code initial approval but can also provide an extended term what we'd ask is if you could respectfully match up to the 48 month entitlement term so both run concurrently thank you all all right thank you um seeing no more commentary from the applicant team this time i'd like to turn it over to members of the public wishing to speak on this item specifically so patty's going to bring up a a screen that's going to have a little clock on it and then we're going to run through um you know if a participant would like to speak please raise your hand uh so that uh the host and the recording secretary can acknowledge you grant you permission to unmute yourself um and then you'll have three minutes to speak um so again uh the comments should be relevant to this project and they should be relevant to our review of this project and so let's go to public comments so if there are any members of the public wishing to speak on this project please raise your hand at this time so you may be recognized thank you chair weigel uh we're taking a look at the list here and don't see any raised hands yet so um give a little time here there are a lot of people on so if anyone would like to raise their hand and speak to this item we can unmute you and while we're waiting for that patty did we have any uh voicemails come in on this project and no voicemails that i know of okay we just had the email correspondence uh that was included in our in our packet correct it's included okay perfect okay sure weigel and we're not seeing any raised hands at this time okay so seeing no raised hands i will close public comment on this one hand just yeah there we go see look at that that's how that works right the minute you close it they're ready to talk it's all good uh so patty it looks like his name is john papas correct yeah so uh if if if when you're unmuted uh patty's gonna unmute you please state your name and uh your proximity to the project and then uh you have three minutes thanks yeah can you guys hear me okay we can hear you yeah um i live in the south end of this project in the neighborhood of harvest park and i'm just curious um how the mitigation on the sound because i know there's going to be quite a bit of power needed to provide the lights and the grow in the facility i noticed a separate building on the design that i don't know if it's a generation plan or whatever but what is the decibel level going to be of this place and am i going to be hearing this thing at night i mean i know it's light industrial but all the projects on that side for light industrial is actually they don't operate 24 7 like this facility is going to operate so as far as the the public is concerned on our side of me living in this neighborhood am i going to be hearing this thing on a 24 7 basis um well if you're uh do you have two minutes left to make any other comments um if if you're done uh that's cool and we'll we'll uh put that in our back pocket and ask the applicant to answer that once we close public comment okay i mean i guess the only other thing i have is um i didn't realize it was going to be 55 feet tall but the uh which actually is going to alleviate some of the views of some of the south end neighborhood overlooking at uh taylor mountain and so on and so forth since we live over here but the uh the odor um i'm just wondering the comment on the odor and you know mitigations in the future when we start having issues with how the winds are going and the smell and the sound is this something that's going to be addressed by the city we'll we'll we'll get those questions answered for you mr poppett okay uh so are you are you finished with your comment i think i am okay all right awesome thanks so much um is there anybody else wishing to speak at this time sure why do you like excuse me sure why i go not seeing any raised hands at this time okay seeing none at this time i'd like to close public comment um and i think we can get mr poppett's questions immediately answered either by staff or the applicant so the first question is odor um and if you guys could maybe reference the odor mitigation plan and then also probably sound was covered in the condition use permit as well sure i'll um i can go ahead and uh speak fully to the odor mitigation requirement and then i'll lead off on on compliance with the city's noise ordinance but then ask the applicant team to talk about locations of mechanical equipment as well as any power that's generated on site i know they're doing water reclamation and and such and what might be the purpose of of that accessory structure utility building with regard to odor mitigation the city's comprehensive cannabis ordinance does recognize the potential for odor nuisance resulting from cannabis land uses therefore all cannabis land uses are required to submit an odor mitigation plan that effectively mitigates the odor to a level undetectable outside of the building so um and that's done through a variety of of carbon filtration systems usually through the hvac um system that's installed um the the um i guess the cross check on that to know that that odor mitigation plan is being effective is through uh reports of of odor being emitted or detected by persons in the surrounding area so if someone is concerned about odor or believes that the site is is uh releasing odor um and is not in compliance with the comprehensive cannabis ordinance then the appropriate next step would be to contact code enforcement about the potential issue um and uh and so that is that is a basic compliance component for all of our cannabis land uses and then the second with regard to noise the project is required to comply with the city's noise ordinance which is contained in the environmental protection titles of the city code so they would be required to mitigate any noises resulting from the project to uh levels as described for the land use and for adjacent land uses i believe in general we could characterize that level as being a conversational level at the property line so i would invite the applicant to talk further about um some of the the use of mechanical equipment and other plans for how to how to mitigate potential noise nuisance um this is frank glenn again uh so i'd just like to point out that um we were we were very cognizant of the fact that we're uh right next to a residential neighborhood and because we were concerned about any noise nuisance uh from our um building we specifically located the utility building as as far as possible from the residential use and also it's um 100 blocked by the building so that um the the noise transfer into the residential area has been thought about and besides which as andrew also mentioned that the equipment that we're we will be using will also be noise dampened and um the the actual uh sound that you would hear in the residential areas will be very slight if any thank you this is james from shepard i can add on to that answer um which is from a legal perspective in the mitigated negative declaration the um requirements both of sequa and the city's code require the m&d to analyze a variety of noise sources basically everything on the project site from parking lot noise to mechanical equipment to traffic trips to operational trips and in all cases both from the thresholds of significance for daytime noise and nighttime noise considering 24-hour operation this project is below those thresholds of significance and the city's requirements that's all spelled out in the m&d as approved perfect thank you so much um so now i'd like to go to questions uh of the applicant of the board uh just go around the horn here so board member birch probably foreshadowing a question from uh vice chair hedgepeth um the the color and material the the acm panel um a couple of the examples they uh that are shown on uh page 9.01 at least one of them not sure if if those are aluminum panels there's a wide variety of panels that are more or less reflective there's a number of things to consider there were specific comments made this turns out to be a very light bright structure um i i'm not i'm not a hundred percent sure why we didn't see a consideration of something that was uh maybe a bit less reflective i saw the comments or the response to the drb comments from the 2017 hearing but it didn't directly address the why it hadn't changed much so i'd be interested to understand the choice of materials with the buildings exterior well let me share this also i i do believe that this uh this facade overall is is a bit simpler and and and a bit more pleasing to my taste i'm just i'm just not i like the simpler graphic presentation and the change of materials etc i'm just concerned about the tone and perhaps the reflection of these materials versus some others that may that may work so uh so the applicant if you could answer uh board member birch's comment about you know your thought process on the materiality of the paneling that would be very helpful for us thanks yeah thank you um so our thought process was we we were designing a modern industrial building and in our minds we felt that uh the color choice was appropriate and that the combination of the light and dark gray was a nice play um i think i mentioned in in uh my presentation how we're trying to mimic the adjacent hillsides in the pattern of the of the aluminum so um it's something we're willing to look at um and uh i apologize if we didn't fully meet the intent that you were trying to portray to us the last time we were before you okay um go michael do you want to continue the questioning or do you want to save it for comments i'll save it for comments and i'll and i'll look for potentially other board members thoughts on on the color i'm i'm open to it but i i'm i'm i just i wanted to get it out of the gate as a as a comment so but i'll wait no i think it's a good yeah i think it's a good question uh board member mickey do you have any questions of the applicant at this time you're muted job there i do have one and it's regarding heritage trees and if not coastal redwoods what would the applicant suggest as an alternative um well you caught us a little off guard there because we don't have our landscape architect here with us but um we're uh very happy to work with the city and our landscape architect and any comments from this board as to um what species of tree you would feel are appropriate okay any more questions uh board member rickie well the other thing i just it's actually a comment uh as i was reading material i appreciate the fact that you're trying to design a state-of-the-art industrial building and also thinking about what the specific uses of the might of the building might be after or or if the cannabis farms project goes away and the building has to be put to other uses and i appreciate that thanks john um board member sharon questions of the applicant uh yes um one question on uh this is related to the trees um also um and i i'd recognize that your landscape architect isn't here but um uh in looking at the the plans that i um i see in front of me um i don't see any any um coastal redwoods being um proposed to be replanted am i correct in that or is it going to be coming in a in a later iteration um i'll reply in that i believe the trees that are on the site are quite mature and are probably not candidates for replanting oh oh no no no yes no no not um yeah replanting um i meant uh yeah being mitigated for the removal yes no yeah no thank you for that definitely thanks for catching that um uh no but the so to removing those those the larger coastal redwoods that you've got um and but i don't see any being planted called out in your plant legend i see that like astremia the um so the crepe myrtle the maple coast lab oak and another crepe myrtle don't see any redwoods being proposed anywhere as as replacement for the ones being i don't know i'm sorry i can't answer it because like i'm i'm not a landscape architect maybe andrew has some information on that but is it appropriate to plant redwoods here i'm not sure very no and then thank you for that frank it was mainly a um question on is is this the the landscape plan that is the um all of the scope of your planting um and as it is now and moving forward and potentially uh you mentioned that yeah go ahead frank uh yes it's it is current but i believe andrew also also mentioned that um it's something that um could be further developed okay as you move along yeah no i need some clarification on that i'm not not advocating for the redwoods i just uh wanted to um see if i was missing it missing them anywhere but it sounds like i'm not so thanks for answering the question thank you uh thanks adam uh any questions for the applicant board member wicks there we go there was muted there mouse failure on the unmute button um probably a mute point because decibel levels are set for sand mitigation as part of the conditions of approval the projects already has but more from a question of success i know chillers can be fairly loud are you locating that in the utility building or where where is the where are you proposing to put the main chiller yes the the main chiller is on top of the utility building okay it's not on top of the main vote and just for a matter of public record uh uh senior plan or triple mentioned that you're going to do water reclamation and i think for anybody out there in the public listening to this and may object to it based on uh the conditions that unfortunately we're in insinoma county with limited water can you describe a little bit about your water reclamation project and how you can probably get to zero water usage with your operation i'm i'm hoping the operator can bail me out here but i believe um it's a process water reclamation yeah yeah i could i could help out on this one frank this is danny abt malik um the water reclamation system is at a minimum going to reclaim 80 percent of the water used and then the 80 percent of the water that's reclaimed will go to watering um our landscaping right thank you i i i i know that from a little bit of experience but i just uh thought you'd be nice to get that on public record thank you sure and then uh finally vice chair hedge path do you have any questions of the applicant okay am i there um yeah just a couple of things i was looking at the material board and firstly at the bottom there you have a graphic inspiration that runs along the building i i know it's kind of out of sight of the public um my curiosity is there's a large vertical format it almost looks like a whale coming up out of the water um surging and then then it has kind of a moneze scheme is that i was just curious what is that that it's almost like a uh a castellated geologic form or something but it seems to be erupting from that was that was one question the other question is in your in your wave effect the macro broad brush wave across these panels um are you looking at some kind of an an etching or a a way to have a different color or um how are you going to have the manufacturer execute and install the differential between these panels because it's a sine wave that would seemingly go on a computer level kind of like the d young museum perhaps but that was a just a curious execution question of that that color shift yeah i believe um the color shift would be done with uh custom panels so they they would be custom fabricated and custom finished it's not um it's not a mosaic of panels so it so each panel would be unique and the the pattern would be um already in the panel when it's mounted okay and for the uh for the graphics on the bottom uh i mean a lovely question but um that's like a placeholder and uh you know as i mentioned in my presentation that you know one of the inspirations was to do um something that's representational of the seasons of santa rosa so that it will be um a unique um piece of art for this building in santa rosa and and relative to the city thank you that's that's that mural is that a uh a plaster like almost fresco like is it is it painted on snow um no it's it's actually um back painted glass so it's uh um i think you can see um right beside albert einstein there um there's um it says glass pro so it's um it's a sandwich um with the image in it but it's it's actually a glass panel okay it's a photo it's a photo etching on the back side so you can clean the face that the backside is etched in micro layers yes right exact exactly okay thank you hey warren i'll quickly that glass that glass pro product is is a pretty cool execution it's still quite expensive but uh most of their product rather than being etched is actually that the interlayer which would be your sort of typical the layer that creates laminated glass the safety layer is printed with the image and then the glasses apply to both sides yeah extremely durable um uh expense it's a it would be fantastic to see this mural executed it's it's it's gorgeous it would be quite something in that product yes well hopefully our seasons in the future will include spring now and then and other things so we'll be forward thinking hoping okay um so let's go to uh so this is not concept i always forget that um so i'd like to see if anybody wants to uh make a motion for the project as we follow rosenberg's rules and then we'll have discussion on the motion so it is uh any member of the board wish to make a motion uh on this project and and share just as a reminder if a motion is made and uh you would like to include that condition of approval uh regarding a four-year approval period or 48 month approval period i'm happy to read that language into uh the record for you perfect thank you very much for that reminder andrew um so back to the board does anybody wish to uh present a motion on this project so just as a reminder uh we can grant preliminary design review we can not grant preliminary design review or we can continue to a date certain i believe is that right did i get that right oh that's correct you could you could um make a motion to to approve preliminary design review um i i think that if if we did a motion to continue that would be a separate uh motion right bill that's correct there are several options uh that you have at your disposal obviously one is the motion to approve uh that is the staff recommendation one would be a motion to deny we would have to come back with a resolution for that you could also motion to continue for redesign and also remember the motion really just starts the conversation so based on the conversation through friendly amendments you can add conditions of approval you can also withdraw that motion and uh enter in a new motion if you like as well but we do need a motion to start the discussion i can make a motion second i i'll make a motion um to uh uh as of the resolution of the design review to uh grant preliminary design review um the uh so the resolution of the design review board of the city of cenarosa um granting preliminary design review approval for the cenarosa farm group llc cannabis facility consisting of new construction of a plus or minus 116,700 square foot industrial building located at 800 yulanda avenue apn 044-091-063 file number prj17-068 parentheses dr17-078 in per close parentheses i'll wave the reading of the text and i'll second excellent so seeing that we have a motion and a second i'd like to open discussion question about that should i um also amend uh andrew's four-year approval to this to the to that resolution is that separate i mean we we can or we can just let's just do it as a friendly amendment since we already just you made the motion let's just keep rolling that can be done as a friendly amendment yeah it can be done as a friendly amendment um so uh this time i'd like to open comments uh and i'm gonna start with henry comments on the project and any friendly amendments you'd like to see added to the uh motion on the table well i'd like to see the friendly amendment of the four-year instead of two-year be added to uh the this process and discussion i i think the project as uh is very well thought out has uh high quality materials i i personally like the design i like the selection of the materials could they be a little darker a little less reflective i i'd like to hear some of the other board members comments about that but um i i uh i find the project um worthy of approval board member Sharon uh sure i um i'll agree with uh in the interest of time agree with henry um on uh on the design of the building to also well thought out i do uh um um i want to commend you for bringing in the um the public art aspect or the art aspect the um i think that that's a nice consideration i'd also commend you for um attempting to be a good neighbor um and to addressing comments and um i especially appreciate the effect of locating the the location of the utility building um as far away from um residence as possible thank you for that um uh as far as materials the reflectivity did catch my eye um and uh i for a building that um you know there's uh in the presentation and in the materials that were presented to us um the package uh the you know it it the the business seeks to be part of the the neighborhood and seeks to kind of blend in but the reflectivity and the brightness and the the metallics um structure uh sort of belies that because it is eye catching um you know and that's for better or for worse um i i think that um some thought about that um more thought could be could be done um i know that it's not a it's not definitely not a doesn't doesn't kill it for me um i think it's uh yeah i like eye catching buildings as well um but for something that wants to blend in um to the neighborhood um just wonder about that um to do i uh can speak to the um the tree portion um thanks for um just being willing to roll with um commentary as well um too bad that the landscape architect's not here um but um i do have every um confidence in staff's ability to um uh to help shepherd you guys through another iteration if you're thinking um i think that you could um i'm glad to see that the the redwoods um are not being um uh replaced replanted um uh for the reasons that i stated before um i i think that um in terms of heritage trees um you could kind of kill two birds with one stone for me um there's a lot of coast live oaks being proposed on here i think you could diversify your oak species coast live oak great um sounds wonderful um nice and full evergreen um can be kind of shrubby another great native to the Santa Rosa Plain um oak is the carcass lobata the valley oak um i would put some of those in there those could also be replacement um with a more appropriate um heritage tree than the redwood so um you could diversify your oak species and also um be adding in um some more of your uh um some more oaks um there are um uh let's see here oh one thing i noticed and even in the um the arborist report the redwoods are classified as an ornamental um so even the uh the arborist the consulting arborist did not deem them as a native tree they are heritage but not native specifically to this area um up in the hills yeah definitely but not to Santa Rosa Plain um also wanted to mention the um the sudden oak death comment that the public had wanted to address that as well i think that um is definitely concerned um very much um a concern these days um especially with more trees being um being stressed out with drought and also kind of odd climate change and climate factors um uh i don't um i think that you can minimize any potential for sudden oak death by um choosing your plant material wisely and where you get your sourcing your plant materials so in the nursery tree that's where a lot of um the sudden oak is coming from is actually from nurseries so uh do you do diligence there embedding your your nurseries material and where they're coming from uh i think that you're um dodging some of that by not planting um the uh other sudden oak death vector plants um most most of the time so there are you the the oaks are the ones that are really hurt by the sudden oak death but there are other species that are the carriers of sudden oak death of the actual pathogen um like i don't see any any of the rhododendrons um or um uh california bay laurels on your on your site those and you're planting those next oaks that's problematic because they didn't um transfer so i think that the sudden oak death comment um and you're also not next to uh uh you know virgin oak woodland so i think that that it's it's going to be fine in terms of um sudden oak death um uh in terms of diversifying your plant species and specifically your tree species i think there are a number of ways that you could um uh you could um add more diversity in um some quick ones um which i can you want to grab a pencil or replay this uh after after the meeting is over um so adding in the valley oak um coast quark slobata also a great one is the desert willow the chelopsis um is drought tolerant and um has nice um flowers um other maples um the asuna gundo black maple toyon shrubbier but can provide really nice evergreen um uh cover and and shade and also noise abatement that's one to look at um in the arbor support the largest trees well there's one monster eucalyptus um but the other largest trees besides the um redwoods the biggest ones are the walnuts that are there that english walnuts you can also um add in the california native walnuts the black walnut which is a very beautiful tree um and also is fast growing which is is nice so jugglin jugglins hind's eye is one to look at um and if you wanted to get fancy the california flannel bush grows into beautifully um brilliant yellow uh floral tree that will be eye catching and compliment your building nicely i would say also to go with the western redbud um and california buckeye um is also one that is native to this area um so i want to think about the eschulis californica that should do it for me i will stop talking about trees now um thank you for a um good project and also thanks for being a good neighbor and um yeah again thank you for the art appreciate it board member mckew uh no no additional comments cool um board member birch yeah uh overall well thought out project i'm a little concerned again as i said i i it's not necessarily darker it's not necessarily warmer i i'm just there's there's um there's there's very little detail here in in the package regarding regarding the um building's you know skin in terms of um its construction i think warren asked a really critical question and and i think the client has answered it so it's in the record that this won't become a mosaic that it will be that it will be a custom panel to create the artwork um i think that will be important for staff to keep in mind um not not cynical about what we're looking at but there were also no there's no details and and it was mentioned on the fences and and the and the other buildings um in the renderings the fences are gorgeous they're they're very very attractive they they float in 30 40 50 foot um lengths with no vertical supports and sort of having possibly thin little sections it's it's pretty it's really nice um i'm concerned that perhaps the board maybe should be looking at those couple of items in a final designer view um i don't know that that's something that staff is going to want to try to interpret what that was and then and then get into fencing um it is really a key piece of the project especially along yolanda um with the building set back i think that the fencing and the and the other buildings are something that we should be should be looking at you know i don't know if the promise is that it's going to match the primary building i don't know if the promise or expectation is that it's going to be uh uh you know a different exterior skin or will they match or will this become like the uh you know really uh gorgeous new uh fountain grove rebuild that then has a sort of a stick and a shed garage built out front of it right and sort of just curious that we don't have the designs here and would maybe like to see those otherwise i think that the way that the building is cited the thoughtfulness around the operation of the building relative to the neighbors um the planting not replacing the redwoods uh the 24 inch trees that are proposed i'm hoping will create some of the screening effect that we see in the in the rendering center than later but you always do have to wait for trees to grow um but again i do have questions around the the tone and execution of the building skin which is really the primary the primary um that's what the public's going to see petalume hill road 46 000 trips a day yolanda 46 000 trips a day that that's what is going to be represented so i really would like to i wish i knew a little bit more about it um and and the fencing and the utility building and the guard shack so those are my comments thank you vice chair haspeth you're up okay um thank you you know i've appreciated the comments i i wanted to thank adam about the uh the landscape that was very wonderfully mentioned that um i know the client would like to use kind of an an off musty bronzy yellow and some of these trees he mentioned i understand that the sycamore is actually kind of a native tree as well it does really well i'm proud that i'm i'm very supportive of uh mixing it up and the coastal valley oak excuse me the coastal oak doesn't lose its leaves that's evergreen but the valley oak does i'm okay with that i don't i don't think there's any agenda about replacing redwoods with evergreens it's just this variety since the one of the unique things about the project are these swaths of land that can be populated in kind of a native way so i'm i hope a lot of burns land there and um that the landscape person takes to heart the the poetry of massings nice massings of plants um yeah back back to the situation of the building firstly i think it's vastly wonderfully improved architecture uh from the 2017 proceedings it's a it's a building where the the canopies the overhangs the connections to the building queuing you in are well done um we know it's a windowless building and and that with all of the various things you've gone through that's that's taken and these mdrs take forever so i understand the five-year hiatus it's been arduous and i i empathize with that because you're you're trying to overcome all kinds of issues and fully mitigate so one of the things that's interesting to me is yes there are aluminum skin buildings further toward pittle in the whole road along yolanda there are a few buildings that get used to aluminum i i for one i just have to say this it's harsh on my eye to have the building reflect nature by being a reflective surface and and the reason i say that is going back and forth as you move eastward on yolanda you've got the rolling hills a very rural setting and i and i think about the potential to not change the architectural delineation of what you've done but as as um said by michael birch the the commentary about how this is detailed what what are the standoffs between each panel but particularly the patina of the panel but the reason i like the the the beauty of the san francisco building that i've i've mentioned here the d young is it's patina over the years no one's asking me to use copper but i am loving that more um living skin feeling it's uh it it has a non-metallic feeling to it that's softer that's more rural so and being in your lane with the architecture but not wanting metallic not wanting reflective in a way i'm not happy with silver i just think there's other colors somewhere between bronzes and um well there are many things you can do but it's it's mass it is easy on the eye uh shocky and texture and the tones somewhere between bronzes to biscuit um sorry for that but i i don't want to use the beige word i'm just trying to knock it down so that there's a bit more of an earthiness it's not cold it's warmer and you i see you have colors that you're you're going to go over your cmu block wall looks like you're going to ice over those is that a santa barbara sand float um and is it is it is it stow or is it is it paint but what i'm hoping for is not shiny um not even satiny it's all toothy tusky musky um in its texture sorry for the the wikia the wikia impedia i i hope i i've been clear chairman of showing my love for the mat all right on the mat thank you vice chair yeah um so i i i will uh i will agree with both uh board member birch and uh vice trejas path on kind of the lack of tone and execution and a desire for a mat kind of earthiness uh i'm gonna definitely reiterate that um and then one thing i think that uh we missed is the garbage enclosure on the back it's not on the back it's on the east side of the building we need some articulation of that bad boy as well i think so i'm gonna i took some notes here and i'm gonna take a stab at some of our shells and considers um and so if i mentioned something that you said and you don't think it's right uh just jump in and we'll get it corrected for andrew but the one i'd like to start with here is the the four-year amendment andrew do we need to to read that into the record on how that would read uh first primarily just so we all know how that would go uh yes we can read it into the record and uh chair i've actually got it prepared for you i can share my screen and that would be great yeah we got it well done so if if you would like to go ahead and read that in or or uh if somebody needs to make a friendly amendment no let's just well yeah we'll read it and then when we get to the end of our shells and considers it'll just be part of that i think um so do we have we currently have a number but number seven is new correct so that'd be a new one that is correct yes this would be okay and so so this preliminary design review shall be valid for a four-year period if the permit has not been exercised within 48 months following the date on which the permit was granted this approval shall automatically expire and shall be invalid unless an application for extension is filed prior to the expiration and then we do we need to add number eight as well yes please okay and the number eight to add would be if exercise within the initial or extended approval period in accordance with all conditions of approval this preliminary design review shall be valid for the duration of use great thank you i think yeah so we'll add those to be a friendly amendment i think and we'll we'll come back to that um so the first one i heard was uh shall diversify the heritage tree selection and i think it's a shall not a consider and i think uh it should be shall diversify the heritage trees with the use of the valley oak is that correct Adam yes for the heritage trees okay and then the next one i think would be consider additional diversity in the tree palette including but not limited to desert willow black maple california black walnut california flannel bush i get the right california buckeye sycamore and did you say toy in maple was that right why on that's it not a maybe yeah okay toy on sorry toy on and uh yeah did i get them all that that should do it and and there's yeah that should do it for for suggestions don't be limited by that i would say yeah i said including but not limited to okay consider additional tree diversity including but not limited to and then the list we just said um or for both structure and beauty i would say for both structure and be like that that's good okay and then the next one is applicant shall provide details including uh details for the utility building including plan and exterior elevation and then shall include details of the guard buildings including plan and elevations and materials they should also and material selection uh and then the third one shall be shall include elevations of the garbage enclosure on the east side and then i think the last one i heard from everybody was applicant shall reduce the reflectiveness of the aluminum panel skin and provide a palette that is more earthy and matte in appearance i get that good could we go with natural rather than earthy natural works i don't know i don't know the right way to see it be be mindful that uh michael's comments about all the wonderful fencing around oh i forgot the fences yeah shall provide fence details yes and do some do some color coupling here too between color and matte we don't want shiny aluminum if we're going to have natural uh on the building yeah i would i would actually say uh so shall provide fence details and material selection for fences and then i would go so far as to say consider consider corch and steel for fencing elements or other uh oxidizing metals perhaps because they you'll get the security out of that but also kind of that natural kind of eroded uh feel i think that warren and michael are talking about so um andrew did you get all those i believe so um i can share my screen and we can go back through them if you would like to do so yeah i i'd like to just go through it real quick and make sure we picked everything up from the board and then we'll go back to the applicant to see if they if anything seems undoable and then we'll go ahead and do the friendly amendment and then we'll take a vote great one moment please as you're doing that i did want to add one more at the beat at the end but i i guess it's a question um since all projects get deferred to staff for final design review how do we condition this to come back to us for final design review do we just add that at the end um that's a great question let's uh maybe let's just go through these first then maybe Bill can answer us and then we'll follow up with that sure so uh the design review board conditions of approval would begin with uh conditions seven and eight that we've already reviewed regarding the duration of the approval then um condition nine uh shall diversify the heritage tree selection with use of valley oak um consider adding tree pellet diversity through use of desert willow black maple toy and shrub california walnut california flannel bush western redbud and california okay for both structure and beauty applicants shall provide details for utility building and guard building including plan and exterior elevations andrew um one uh edit to the trees sure uh northern california walnut in particular there is southern california walnut let's go to the northern thank you uh applicant shall include plan and exterior elevation for garbage enclosure i think we just need the exterior elevations we've got the plan right that's um applicant shall provide fenced design details and fenced materials consider material alternatives such as cordone steel that will weather naturally and then applicant shall reduce reflectiveness of aluminum skin and provide a pallet that is earthy and natural does anybody have a problem with any of those as read want any changes clarification uh chairman michael um we're gonna go ahead to approve the project with these conditions and one of the conditions that we're gonna you're gonna add yet is that final design review come back to us that is that true that that's what i'd like to do so typically that's what we would have done in the past um but with the i believe it's the resilient city ordinance um all projects uh the preliminary and it's a little misleading preliminary design review is actually the entitlement action whereas final design review was always just kind of like the the cleanup action to make sure that the elements that the board wanted included as part of the discretionary review were incorporated the that is now deferred to staff by zoning um and i so i believe we can override it uh but i'm not sure and that's the question i had well i think it's a good after listening to my fellow board members i started off with a very brief comment which is very unlike me but i i i think some of the lack of detail provided to us i i think you know i don't know the circumstances but i think it's very unfortunate the landscape architect wasn't here i know adam would have loved to perhaps ask him more questions maybe have more of a dialogue with that in respect i sometimes sometimes our board will because we don't have lighting in our package we don't have certain other criteria that we expect we we've given other projects a lot of thumbs down but but i want to take another look at it and i i think this is very appropriate that we look at the details that uh board member birch uh hedge both uh adam you questions that have been raised in the dialogue and discussion so i'd be i'd be favorable of adding that um shall come back to us at yeah so uh it looks like uh in a interim deputy director rose is back and perhaps he has an answer for us and how how maybe we can condition that yeah i i would advise the board against conditioning it because uh what you would effectively be doing you were right chair waggle the code is clear we did make some changes final designer view now goes for all actions to staff so the entitlement is preliminary design review final design review it's uh it's kind of a it's sometimes hard to get your head around it it's almost a double check is what it is the board gives direction and then final design review you're checking it to ensure that those things actually are done to your satisfaction and you've deferred it to staff in the past when staff can say we understand clearly what you're asking we often will ask the applicant to make sure they're clear with what is expected and there have been certainly occasions where the thought was well it's a little more complex it should come back to the board um we don't really have a mechanism right now to have it come back to you for final design essentially overriding the code and this wouldn't be the mechanism to do it and it also wouldn't be a precedent that that i would recommend the board take so if so i think there's a couple of options if the board is comfortable providing direction that staff can understand and the board is comfortable with staff in their understanding implementing and ensuring that it is implemented you could do that you could give that direction staff can take it and move forward with it again i'd also recommend that whatever you suggest the applicant is aware also they understand it as they should also be with all of the conditions that you're adding the alternative to that would be a continuance so it's simply it's a continuance for effectively redesign i mean that's what we would call it but it's a pretty specific thing it's continuance for more information on the fence details or any other items that you would like to see and then it would come back and you could do that to a date certain uh we wouldn't have to notice that we don't notice final design review anyway but um and then we'd bring it back to you and again that would be in coordination with the applicant as well so i think if i'm here in bill maybe let's take a let's ask i think maybe the the path we should take here is let's let's first ask the applicant about the conditions that we've already added and see how comfortable they are with those and then i think the next piece then is depending on that we'll take a little straw pole yeah of the board in terms of the the next action they want to take so um i think that's a let's let's let's turn it back yeah let's so let's go to the applicant and just review the uh the the items that we're conditioning your project with and just as a uh a refresher when we say shall that means you have to do it right it's it's one of those things like so if so if it were to go back to staff for final design review if that element is not present you wouldn't complete final design review um if it's a consider it's just a suggestion from us saying like hey we'd like you to look at this but if it doesn't work out for whatever reason monetary you disagree with us whatever then you don't have to do it um so uh let's let's go back to the applicant and just kind of go over these real quick with them and see what they think yeah hi i'm here so what we'll go back to item seven there andrew real quick just i'm assuming that you guys have no issue with item seven and eight that's right that that's i don't know if danny can see the screen but seven and eight are the extension to 48 months and we're okay with that yeah we appreciate that thank you guys oh no problem um so number nine is diversity of the heritage tree selection do you guys have any problem making that being a requirement from us you know my my goal was to make the island in front of my project that is still grassland like a interesting you know type of situation where nine would would be great yeah i'm fine with number nine okay and then ten is obviously encouraging just additional planting diversity which i i think from what you're saying is you want you want your property to to have some some ecological flair let's call it absolutely i mean i you know i i i don't know obviously all these recommendations in number ten but as long as they're you know as long as they're attainable i i don't i don't see the problem but that i think number ten has got to be will consider because i've never i just haven't heard of any of these plants can we keep number ten as a as a consider and that's what it is it's a consider it's a suggestion so work with your landscape architect he says oh yeah let's let's add some of these or no the budget won't brunt it then then that's work we're open to that um i mean you know we don't i don't think we're going to dictate that you have to use a california walnut or you have to use this instead we just want you to take another peek at it um 11 here well i do go ahead hopefully this is the appropriate time to mention this but something that might help with that also i i notice in now in number ten just reading through it i i think that to give a little even a little bit more latitude then not limited to this list i would say consider additional tree palette diversity um for example through the use of or through the use of for example desert willow and then even after buckeye saying etc so it would give your um you guys yeah i'm fine with that okay yeah and then the next uh yeah and then 11 12 and 13 um in my opinion are they're just requirements of preliminary design review that those elements are included they're listed on the design review application so i think we could maybe add some more language here to help staff but otherwise just providing you know requesting those details do you guys have a problem request you know providing additional information on the outbuildings and the fences we can provide 11 12 and 13 that's not a problem is there what would be the timing on that um well it would be up to you guys in terms of when you're going to submit your final design review to staff so you could take and we can advise on some some dates in a moment once we work through through these we'll give you what the optimal date will be and just uh chair weigel for the board's consideration staff understands these conditions rather clearly and feels comfortable in our ability to implement those okay i mean i i think if i were if i were to add anything to 11 12 and 13 i would just say we've used this language before provide details including and then we say you know architectural character it's a match that of main building or something like that we've used language like that is everybody comfortable with with using that language to help staff to just make it very clear what we're wanting on our end yes i'm comfortable with staff as well they've done that before and quick comment drew there are suggestions of of in the renderings of what the utility building and the fencing is and i mean it's just it's what we all what we all fear is that when there's no details on let's just say something as mundane as the trash enclosure we're not asking that it be a c m panel or whatever whatever building material ends up being used but but we also don't want it to turn into a four by four redwood and dog-eared you know redwood fence panels with with with a with a residential gate latch so i i think you know bill and his team understand that as well and there are suggestions of what these elements look like in the renderings if if we're comfortable that the fence is a highly detailed decorative fence executed in some special materials and doesn't you know we don't drive down Yolanda one day and see Kenwood fence company special you know i don't know it just being an incomplete application makes this difficult for us right and for staff it does but if i'm hearing from the applicant that they don't have a problem providing this information it's just a potentially an issue of time frame do you want to just go ahead and leave them like they are michael or would you no no i i think we just we have to make the decision if we want to continue this or if staff is going to do it i think that's what it's going to come down to you for the board so okay just just to add to michael's comments um i think michael staff understands the direction it's by all means the board could add additional language to make it even more explicit um so it's it's in the record so that's a what you just said was it was great language and so if you'd like to add that you can certainly do that um and then so let's just go to this last one number 14 um i think this one's perhaps the the most challenging condition uh that we have and so i'd like to hear from the applicant on on kind of maybe their thoughts on meeting this requirement that were uh that we'd like to impose yeah you know i i i actually been listening to the comments obviously and i i get all the comments and i appreciate all of them and what i might what i wanted to respond with was that we can mad out the aluminum so it would have you know similar reflectivity to almost like like a wood right um so i'm okay with you know if the issue is the the reflectivity of the aluminum i can handle that but the second part of 14 which is provided pallet that is earthy and natural you know i i don't i don't know comfortable with that because it's not lost you on the end of that one it's a modern building yet i was just saying that you know the design is modern i don't know if a modern design goes with earthy with earthy and natural facade so if the if the only issue is the aluminum being too reflective i can find a solution to that but what colors they are or or or are narrowing it down to earthy and natural i don't think that's fair and chair waggle stat staff would agree that um the first half of the statement is fairly clear well understood we would recommend or request a little bit more clarification if you're eager to include the second half of that statement so we understand exactly what the intent is yeah okay um could i make comment i'll go ahead moran yeah go ahead yeah i would think that the applicant is aware of fleetwood and octantina that there's so many companies that take aluminum i'm not asking for a bucket of paint to go over this or some kind are uh in in deference or at least in in respect for the fact that aluminum out of the gate when it's manufactured it can it's cured and tempered in all kinds of ways it's it's anodized but there is an array in fleetwood of colors that are stunning and beautiful and i would just say that uh as as a board member the elegance and dignity and depth of the building's authenticity would be more forward with a color that isn't just soda can aluminum and you can get that through anodized yeah i would i would tend to agree more and i just as a i was googling a luke bond which makes an a sand panel and they've got like a terracotta a rusted metal the bronze kind of those sorts of things um so anyway uh so let me do this then so we've heard from the applicant let's take a quick straw poll of the board here because i think i'm hearing a a continuance from perhaps three or more board members so let's just take a quick straw poll who would be in favor of a continuance on this project so just give me a a yay or a nay i'm going to go through your names um so uh henry yay uh john just give me a thumbs up thumbs down continuance no continuance mr triple can we um stop the screen share so that we can see the board members here we go so john doesn't want a continuance if i heard that right uh adam adam continuance no continuance uh yay continuance uh michael yay and warren yay and then i i i i would be in favor one as well so um so okay so bill i i'm assuming we have to then we have to vote on this or do we change yeah so you would need a a new motion so you're basically uh voting for continuance to a date certain and i'm working on getting the date for you right now uh so it'd be continue to a date certain uh that'd be the motion you get a second and then you'd vote and then it would be good to um you could we'd probably want to summarize what those things are so it'll pick up in the record clearly and uh you have those essentially now and then so we'll get it looks like the applicant uh has a is requesting comment on this as well and uh yeah i was going to ask them before we do anything else um yeah i just uh applicant yeah hi i got a date it's james so bill is going to work on a date um you guys uh please give us your commentary on on your feelings on this hi it's james from shepherd mullen the legal counsel for the project um i do appreciate all the board members comments i i think you know as we heard it and we went through that last list there's almost a hundred percent concurrence both with staff being able to implement as well as the applicant accepting uh virtually all of those it may be some fine tuning of the last one to be more particular on texture instead of like earthy and um more vague words so i would really respectfully request that we try to wrap this up because we're so close i think we'll be doing the same thing in a continuance so if there's a way to maybe refine that last statement to the board's satisfaction to me we have agreement and then of course i'll say this out of my own experience and i know the applicant would agree with this conditions that you put shall those are conditions of approval there's no way we get out of those uh requirements we would have to meet with the staff we would have to dream demonstrate that we comply and so to come back to the board again i think is inappropriate and would ask that we get an approval here with the appropriate conditions which i think we're already there um and that would be our request thank you very much much mr pew um uh michael you look like maybe you want to say something yeah we have the floor yep we've got the defense is uh i think the fence is sort of the entry level into what is likely a decision and a review that should be made by design professionals no no disrespect or disregard for staff's experience and uh and an approach to this but we do have a 50 foot tall building visible from petalum hill road yolanda the adjacent neighborhood the board has more or less um board has reached a consensus at least that the that the color and the material the building are inappropriate for for the for the for the cons for the site for the context of of the neighborhood and the surroundings we're in a very natural so it's a very transitional point in the city between the industrial and the and and the and the residential that's in the natural sort of rural setting so it's a very unique spot it's a it's a it's a corner of the city i would roughly say that we don't want to get this wrong and i think that the second half of the last condition is important enough to make sure that we get it right and i i just i feel strongly about it i i i i understand what you guys have been through to get to this point i think a continuance that doesn't require noticing is not onerous on you guys except that you need to do the work in the middle um and that that would be my response to the comment from legal counsel okay um so bill do we have a a potential date before we do all this yeah it looks like July first would be the meeting date uh give me one second here um that requires for us to do that we would need the uh the additional information by June 15th there you go in order to make a July 1st the next date then would be July 15th which would give um roughly about two weeks almost something like that to to pull together information so it's July 1st they need to get stuff to you by June 15th which is 12 days from today correct that's that's right so um before we uh do any else um i'd like to ask the applicant is is that outside of the realm of possibility should we be looking for a date in the middle of July or uh does July 1st work for you guys in terms of kind of what we're maybe looking for yeah is frank are you frank are you still on a you know i would let i'm defer to frank on that answer i don't have a problem with it but i'm not sure how much work it is either i don't know frank's still on the line no yeah i'm here i'm here okay okay um well i i don't want to um drag it out any more than it needs to but 12 days does um if we're talking calendar days um seems a little tight but is it would it go another two weeks or another month if we can't make the first day mr glenn if we uh look at July 15th then the revised materials or or new materials would be due June 29th yes so that would give you almost a month to pull that together yeah i think that's more manageable okay and and while we're on the topic i do want to clarify that we would be looking for um additional uh materials and documentation for the um the plan and exterior elevations of the utility and guard buildings exterior elevation of the garbage enclosure fence design details and materials and then some proposals for the aluminum skin alternatives but we would not be requiring revisions to the landscape plan is that correct great with the exception of i guess the valley oak component if they wanted to do it otherwise we could just condition it the same way whatever they're comfortable with i think okay they would like to make that change great if not we can do the condition again great thank you can i ask a point of clarification this is legal counsel so i i'm understanding here that if there's a continuance which again we'd prefer not but if there is it's a focused hearing when we reconvene whereby we look specifically at what mr triple just laid out and uh chair wagels that those issues only correct we're not redoing the whole yeah i would agree with that i think we're not looking for you guys to reinvent the landscape plan if you don't have to we're not looking for you to redo all the parking you know those types of things that are that we're totally comfortable with that meet the things i think we're going to be laser focused on like like andrew uh summarize those elements right so so in in that regard i don't know if andrew you're able to do this but um the list that you had up that are essentially the conditions and also the focus points we've taken great notes but if you could share that because i believe that captures it essentially um with us you know in an email or something that would help us you know make sure we have it memorialized correctly and then you know um be a roadmap for us they'll also be captured in the minutes as well we'll we'll get a summary of these right thank you so um so we've got some housekeeping on our end uh so if adam you need to withdraw your motion correct chair wagga i was just going to mention procedurally we need the motion maker to withdraw the second to second that that gets that motion off the table then we would need a new motion for continuance with the items discussed a second and then a vote yeah and uh so and then the person who's going to make the motion for the continuance uh it's a continuance to a date certain july 15th so so adam um do i need to do any what what language should i use to withdraw uh i withdraw my motion it could be just simply i withdraw the motion and then the seconder would need to um second that sounds great just wanted to confirm that uh i withdraw my motion i think john's trying to second that but you need to unmute yourself john i'm i'm sorry i will second that okay uh at this time uh i would like to entertain a new motion on this project perhaps for a continuance board member birch um i will make the motion to continue item 8.1 public hearing on santa rosa farm group cannabis cultivation facility design major review at 800 yolanda avenue file number dr 17-078 to a date certain hearing on july 15th 2021 then we need a second i'll second up and then we can go all right and uh patty can we get a vote yes okay voting for continuance board member wicks hi board member sharon hi board member micu hi board member birch hi vice chair has hedgehog hi and chair weigel hi so um motion passes unanimously for continuance um i want to thank the applicant for a really good package um and uh hopefully on july 15th we can get you in get those items reviewed and get you out the door because overall i think we all like the project uh we would just want to get those last couple of items as uh board member birch uh stated we we'd like to get it right since it's kind of the corner of the city as he said so um since we've been on this for about two hours i'd like to take a 10 minute recess and reconvene at 650 at which point we will start with item 8.2 and uh vice chair hedge path need not return at that time thank you so recess howdy can you hear me mic check for rob let him clear thanks rob make sure weigel um staff is ready when you are okay it's now 650 uh let's all turn our screens back on and come back okay it's now 650 i'd like to call meeting back to order and we will move to item 8.2 um but i wanted to go over a couple of little things since this is a concept item not a uh preliminary design excuse me preliminary design review so it has a little bit different rules um for concept items public comment is not required uh as part of our uh rules as set forth in the zoning code however the designer review board uh regularly extends the courtesy to the public to speak on uh public uh to speak on concept items uh we feel that public comment is uh vital to the success of our projects in the city of san rosa uh that being said uh what we'll do tonight uh given that there are still many participants uh in the meeting uh that we would like to uh grant speakers two minutes to speak and please uh speak on topic about the project uh we will not uh i don't know how to say this other than to say uh slanderous or other rude comments will not be tolerated um and if you do uh speak in in that manner um i will cut you off and uh the uh recording secretary will mute you um this isn't the uh the venue for that type of speech i don't want to prevent anyone from speaking publicly on the project about items that are pertinent to our board but uh if it's not related we will uh we won't entertain that and then finally um please don't comment on the land use of the project uh as this project is still under review by uh planning staff and the CEQA process is still uh in process for it uh that we don't have that information to either comment on or review with you at this time so please keep your comments uh germane and relevant to our purview for concept design review is that is everybody on the board okay with that okay so uh without any further ado i'd like to turn it over to city planner connor mckay for a staff presentation thank you chair weigel and members of the design review board can everybody see my screen yes perfect um yeah i'm my name is connor mckay city planner and i'm pleased to be here tonight to present the stony point flats project located at 2268 stony point road for concept design review um like the chair mentioned this meeting is um supposed to provide an opportunity for non-binding comments from the design review board as to how the proposed project may meet the city's development priorities as a reminder no formal action on this project is being taken tonight so this project proposes to construct a new 50 unit affordable multifamily development on an undeveloped 2.9 acre parcel the project includes the construction of bike storage laundry facilities tech center fitness facilities and outdoor amenities such as barbecue and playground facilities solar panels will be installed on top of the two main residential structures which will allow the project to operate at net zero energy in accordance with title 24 i would also like to mention that the project is located within the rosalind priority development area which pursuant to the resilient city development measures reduces the review authority for this project to the zoning administrator however to facilitate a more comprehensive review of the application the director is acting to elevate the review of this project from the zoning administrator to the design review board so final design review will be provided by the design review board and not the zoning administrator so the project is located at 2268 stony point road along rosalind creek in the southwest quadrant of the city of san rosa and here we have a site plan of the proposed development so as you can see here the eastern portion of the property would need to be dedicated for future extension of north point parkway the gross site area of the parcel is 2.93 acres the area that is to be dedicated is approximately 0.3 acres which would leave approximately 2.63 acres of developable area the general plan land use designation of the developable area is medium density residential which allows for a density of 18 units per acre while the general plan land use designation of the right of way area is low density residential which allows for a density of eight units per acre together the total allowable units would be 49.74 based upon staff's analysis of the city's density bonus and or inclusionary housing ordinances the project can achieve its proposed density of 50 units on the site more about the north point parkway extension the direct the deputy director of traffic rob sprinkles available to provide additional comments at the end of my presentation about this north point parkway extension and how the traffic division will review the project accounting for this extension we've also received a public comment after late correspondence was sent to the design review board just before the meeting that had questions and concerns about this extension so the next few slides are will be discussed in greater detail by the applicant team which includes the architect so for now I'll just kind of introduce the these slides and the conceptual site design and elevations for each of the three buildings four buildings here we have building a a residential a residential building and this is the pool building which I believe is identified as building b and the leasing amenity building and as chair weigel eloquently stated the sequel is still being performed for this project and the environmental review has not concluded pursuant to the california environmental quality act or sequel staff has received public comments that express concerns about the environmental impacts of the project and I would just like to reiterate that this environmental review has not been concluded yet and with that I will now turn it over to deputy director sprinkle to discuss that north point parkway extension great thank you connor my name is rob sprinkle i'm the city center as a deputy director in traffic engineering so briefly just to go over some of the issues with the north point parkway future extension so this is a conceptual roadway and the sexual alignment that's been identified in a few documents in the past one being the southwest area plan where the parkway alignment was identified as a four-link facility with medians and turnpockets that was recently updated with the roseland area it's a basketball road specific plan that uh redesignated this roadway as a two-lane facility with median islands so it was downgraded due to the analysis with the the capacities were looked at in the area and the operation of a lower lane facility so the this specific project the the alignment of the roadway is shown just at the east end of the thank you connor of the of the parcel and i know that there's been some concern about where this alignment is shown versus where a prior alignment was shown the alignments that have been shown in prior alignments and this alignment um or in the prior alignments have been conceptual from what we have gathered over the documents that we've been looking through but we don't have a specific set alignment for this roadway other than what's identified in the plan documents which is extremely vague and doesn't it doesn't show the exact scale and location of this roadway so what we do is when developments do come in and this is the first development in the area that is affected this portion of the parkway as we look at the alignment to see what the best best we can do to help um with this alignment this project and with future projects um further to the south and to the east and where this roadway will end up at burbank so we've we've looked at that and that's where we landed actually with this this alignment that's being proposed for the review today with that i am available for any questions if if the order like or if you need to continue part please go ahead thank you rob really appreciate that um yeah so with that um like i said there's there's no formal action um being recommended here there's just um we just would like to hear comments and considerations and um things of that nature for this concept design review and then my uh contact information is on the screen here that's ct mckay at srcity.org 707 543 4351 so at this time uh let's just uh let's do questions and comments after the applicant presentation and after public comment does that sound good with everybody okay so let's move to the applicant presentation so if the applicant could uh begin that presentation that would be great the applicant team has been given the ability to mute and unmute so if the applicant team um we've given you the the ability to mute and unmute yourselves mr mckay i just had a curiosity we have a lore in without a last name on there is that one of your applicant members they're raising their hand that should be yes uh l o r e n yes okay we'll give them um permissions and make sure it's the right person one moment good evening board this is lauren brigham in um uh president and owner of phoenix development company the uh balance of our team is on um phil wood president of integrity housing is on standby um our landscape architect is on standby uh andy bordessa from uh um civil design is on standby michelle olson from phoenix development company is on standby and uh angela ponse from integrity housing is also on standby unfortunately our architect uh keith labis from kt gy had to uh uh he couldn't hold on any longer and had to move on to um another hearing that he's on um he has given me some notes and so we'll go through it what i'll probably do is i'll just discuss the architecture here first and the thought processes and then uh i will turn it over to phil wood who will kind of explain the um this is a hundred percent affordable project uh with uh you know targeted at am i's from 30 percent to 60 of uh am i in sonoma county and i'll let phil discuss uh the amenities uh the units and uh the tendency and uh the targeting the project uh is basically uh is designed uh the the architect was seeking to do what he calls um contemporary rural blend so uh there is contemporary colors there are rural looking buildings there are you know a combination of different roof styles um to influence the the project uh or the influence the design um the uh gable roofs on the two major buildings are designed in the manner that they are to maximize the area for solar panels so that we can get as close as possible to net zero energy consumption the um flat roof areas gave us the opportunity to put the mechanical equipment on the roof and hide it and keep it off the ground and keep it um not not only secure but keep it uh architecturally more pleasant uh the the other portion you know the the heights of the buildings were designed in um with uh input from me and heartage in regards to you know accessibility for uh fire equipment and uh so that influenced the heights of these buildings what also you know in regards to the combination of the different roofs it helped to break up the elevations and to create more interest so by having a combination of flat roofs gable roofs um we are able to create a more interesting design um the scale of the buildings are longer and narrower normally normally that due to the width of the site so we wanted to create more interest there is a combination of stucco horizontal and vertical siding to in a combination of muted earth tones and bright accent colors which also you know helps alleviate the boldness of the massing um there's been some shed roof elements and created at the first floor to identify the entries on the three on the two three-story buildings and to that shed roof design has followed through and the main leasing office main office building to continue that design element through the project um i will now let turn it over to phil i'm so on mute phil and then he'll explain uh the um the the affordability and uh the potential tendency of this project or thank you lauren and thank you to the board for taking the time to consider this project here tonight uh connor if you would advance the presentation to slide five i was going to ask about that thank you okay yep well we'll we'll jump around here a little bit your your presentation certainly covered a lot of material out of uh sensitivity for everyone's time tonight we'll try not to overlap too much uh one slide prior to this please so here's our project site the project will consist of 12 one bedroom units 24 two bedroom units 13 three bedroom units available to our affordable housing tenants the 14th three bedroom unit will be reserved for an on-site manager the project will be serving residents earning between 30 and 60 of the hood defined area median income uh on our our one bedroom units they'll range approximately they'll be approximately a 598 square foot one bedroom uh incomes on these residents will be earning somewhere between 26,190 and 52,380 we have two two bedroom floor plans at 720 and 751 square feet uh residents in these units will be earning between 31,410 and 62,820 dollars annually and in our three bedroom units we've got both a 930 square foot floor plan as well as a thousand square foot floor plan residents in the three bedroom units would be earning approximately $36,300 up to $72,600 those income amounts are based on today's range uh the incomes do increase and decrease every year and we will be determining the the actual income limits upon completion of the project as we mentioned there will be an on-site manager living on the property the property will be professionally managed by fbi management company they are intimately experienced with both the city of santa rosa as well as housing communities similar to stony point uh with the affordability components to them if we can move ahead two slides quick high level just to help illustrate for everyone we do have the the bifurcation of the general plan land uses uh moving forward on the the next slide high level site plan here uh we will be providing a robust resident services program stony point is not solely intended to provide affordable homes it is also it is also intended to enrich the lives of the folks that call stony point flats their home uh we will have a large resident services program connor if you'll move ahead two slides here put some of the amenities that will be included in the interior space the indoor amenities will be a a community room tech center with these spaces will will be doing programs such as after school homework club computer programming skills there will be an office for a social services coordinator to come on site and help tenants with with areas that they may be able to benefit in their lives and if you would move forward one additional slide connor gives a good overview here of the outdoor amenity spaces as well so on the right side of our screen we see the office and community building this will be the primary leasing center will also contain the clubhouse and the tech center that we mentioned uh moving out we will have a patio barbecue area between the clubhouse and this outdoor patio we will hold events such as potlucks holiday dinners community oriented events to bring bring a sense of togetherness amongst the the 50 households living on the site uh moving to the middle we we are planning on a swimming pool for outdoor recreation and as we move on to building b here we will have pool mechanics in this building on the first floor as well as our bike storage uh central laundry facilities and then on the second floor of that building will be two three bedroom units and further down the site uh after after building b there we have our outdoor multi sport court area as well as a tot lot area to allow for outdoor recreation as we move through connor you can move through the next slides uh they will illustrate the points that lauren was making earlier in regards to the the architectural style uh if you will move two two slides forward this rendering here gives a good illustration of the the combination of the rule and the contemporary as well as the the mixture of roof composition uh the flat roofs were really key in in including all of the mechanicals systems that are needed on these buildings and then the slope roofs were were necessary to house the photovoltaic solar panels which are illustrated on the next slide moving through to the landscape plan uh one more slide we've illustrated our landscape plan here um being making sure that that we are uh planting appropriately our landscape architect justin hecock is available and on our meeting here tonight to answer any questions as it pertains to the landscape plan um moving forward a slide illustration of our our civil plan uh we are adjacent to the roseland creek we will we are taking every precaution within this project to ensure that the trail along that creek is not disturbed we will be keeping our development processes solely within the boundary lines of the parcel uh the parcel will be elevated uh up and out of the hundred year theme of flood plane retaining walls will be built and installed along the property line and then moving forward we have a handful of street views and and one more slide after that our trip generation we have conducted a traffic impact analysis for the project which is determined that the there were there's no impact from the project greater than was initially intended in the general plan for stony point road that concludes our presentation thank you everybody for your time consideration and we're happy to take any questions i'd like to thank uh uh their presentation on the conceptual design review as proposed um i've got some additional direction from city staff for regarding public comment basically we're going to give everybody who would like to speak two minutes and it'll be two minutes uninterrupted and then if you run over your mic will be turned off at that point so two minutes for everyone um and then i would like to reiterate again please uh make sure that your comments are pertinent to the design of the project uh and elements uh that are germane to our purview please exclude land use and sequa if you can i mean if you'd like to speak on that briefly you're more than welcome to but just know that it's it's not information that we have the authority over at this time so i'd like to open public comment on this project and it's looking like we're getting some raised hands and so we're going to grant everybody two minutes of public comment and uh patty i'm going to turn it over to you thank you chair weigel and i will click on hands in the order they show up on the screen um the first one is ryan schwaab i have given you the ability to unmute and you can speak when you're ready yeah sorry ryan one other thing uh please please say your name and okay your location to the to the project uh you know if you live like to the north or the south just to help us give some context thanks so much sorry about that absolutely can can you hear me yes we can hear you yes okay thank you yeah thanks everybody um my name is ryan schwaab um some of you probably remember me from the first meeting my kitchen windows and my bedroom windows look over the parcel that's set to be developed particularly the uh one proposed for north point parkway but i also am looking out right now into the uh in the scenic uh sheet pasture um as we're speaking so out of anybody i i do know what both parcels have to offer the community um so most of my design concerns are going to focus on that uh the frogs the tiger salamanders hawks egrets foxes turkeys all the other animals um community is very concerned uh with this parcel being developed so i am hoping that the design uh the designs can be redrawn so we can preserve and spare the one tenth of an acre of seasonal wetland that is on the property the herne stony point project the 142 unit project um they redrew it in order to save the oak trees on the property i'm hoping we can do that with the seasonal wetland they are cutting down 12 trees some of them heritage trees including oaks and redwoods i am hoping they will replant that and more um part for the animals that call the area home a lot of birds of prey um hopefully we're getting a a tree line for privacy as well and sound mitigation also this property is on all all hardscape we're looking for some sort of additional greening greenery and a green belt permeable pavers in order to assist with runoff concerns into the beautiful rosalind creek we want a the buildings to be uh stucco pile roofs to uh fit in with the area that's what um all our homes are um and also i want to touch on parking real quick i know there's some laws with it but um there is one other collaboration between integrity and phoenix that's called orteez family apartments there's very few i'm wrapping up give me 20 more seconds i promise there is uh unfortunately the ryan thank you for your ryan thank you for your comments i appreciate it but we we said we'd give everybody two minutes if there's someone else perhaps that lives in your household that could comment for you on that are those other items we could do that uh so patty let's move on to the next person please hey chair weigel we have next um steven hunter and mr hunter i have given you the ability to unmute yourself can you hear me we can hear you okay we can uh i'm gonna respectfully disagree the discussion earlier about the north point parkway extension i think that i've got pretty good evidence that a previous subdivision design used the tangent and the beginning of the curve radius in their design it's very clear because the sound wall changes to a private defense i'm not going to waste any more time on that but i think it's very clear that i have the case there i'd like to talk about the 70 foot tall eucalyptus just now being removed because of the relocated north point parkway extension i disagree with that i think that that 70 foot eucalyptus is one of the most majestic things in this area by far the tallest tree it houses two uh red tail hawks along with hundreds of other verbs and it's an absolute treasure to this neighborhood let me talk very briefly because i'm so limited on time i think that there's actually a legitimate concern that what we should do for this project is conditionally have the developer improve north point parkway so that they can have access to a signalized intersection and not force all of the traffic leaving this development to go right northbound on sonic white road and a fourth u-turn to go south on giftin there's a school there there's a lot of concern about that it doesn't make sense it's bad planning it's good north point parkway should be conditional to this project i'm also concerned about the balconies potential noise i'd like to see no chain link fences i'd like to see taller trees for screening i'd like i'd also like to see stucco exterior to match the rest of the area and i have another neighbor that couldn't be here today who specifically wanted me to mention that um she's afraid of people loitering behind her house due to increased access to the trail miss mr hunter i'm sorry you're two minutes is up i apologize we have to move on to the next person thank you for your comments we appreciate them next we have erin reinberg and you have been given permission to unmute when you're ready hi good evening i'm erin reinberg i am in the northeast quadrant um along bourbon avenue my property butts up to the the creek right across the creek from here um and my design concerns with this project is building height i do think it is out of place with the surrounding areas and that the height does need to be addressed and lowered down um in line with some environmental impacts for the creek i am strongly urging that permeable pavers be used throughout the entire property and that there's no hardscape concrete or asphalt in the parking areas um that helps with both rain and um environmental preservation uh i also want to see uh fence heights raised around this property um especially in good neighbor fences of eight to ten feet um with uh mature trees planted along these fence lines as well um i would like to see all trees on their uh preserves especially our heritage oaks and redwoods and as ryan said um if we can mitigate that lands area similar to what other projects have already done that would be greatly appreciated um i do have concerns with the design of the traffic and making sure that there's a safe in and out for the residents there um and just again going back to the design concept i would like to see hardy board siding applied um this is a fireproofing material that will help everybody um and i also want to just again reiterate that we need to have tall trees tall fences um and lower the height of this building uh so that it's in line with the surrounding areas if this project moves forward i am against this project and i would like my comments recorded in full and not summarized uh as they've been done before thank you all right patty let's move actually patty real quick um just out of curiosity uh when we record the minutes it what's the city's policies it's called action minutes right is that correct the city's policy is for action minutes and typically per and to be in line with city council we would normally say opposes or supports a project i usually put a little more detail the videos available online on the city website and also on youtube but the city policy is for action minutes okay thank you so much for boyfriend i just i wanted to answer that question real quick because i knew i knew the city had a policy on how minutes are taken so anyway uh let's move on to the next person please thank you okay next we have luke linden linden bush and you can unmute when you're ready thank you very much and good evening my name is luke linden bush commenting on behalf of generation housing a non-profit housing advocacy organization formed first and foremost to address housing affordability in sonoma county i'm here to express our support for stony point flats apartments this will deliver 50 homes to households making below 60 of every median income to be perfectly frank this is who needs housing most and i want to just say thank you to integrity housing and phoenix development project for working families is rising currently at dot and n third we see it when we drive by or walk by uh this is the same team making that happen so uh phoenix development and integrity housing uh company have a history in san oroza that is currently being delivered and the promises to be delivered effectively with this project i also want to say thank you to planner mckay and city staff for addressing community concerns on environmental impacts we're confident in the applicant and the city's proven track record in providing 100 percent affordable housing that is also built in consideration of environmental needs and that of a thriving community as well generation housing appreciates the design review board and members of the public as well for any recommendations that understand the need in particular for affordable design solutions that will allow for this affordable housing development to bring the homes that are really desperately needed in our community so thank you very much for your time and consideration uh next we have nick brineberg and you can unmute when you're ready thank you for your time uh first i would like to address what to me appears to be a brown act violation well i appreciate the city's candor and adding the late document to the agenda today that and i understand that the city's opinion on that and point on that is that since this there's no decision being made here that it doesn't constitute a brown act violation i respectfully disagree and i just want to ensure that uh that point is on the record i am against this project for various reasons including environmental impacts i unless the sequel proves me wrong of course but without the sequel of my understanding is that this will impact the tiger salamanders and i would appreciate if once that comes out we can readdress some potential design flaws that might be impacting the you know endangered species tiger salamanders and everything so i digress on that point some additional design elements that i think would be helpful is um the hearty board citing uh as well um that was mentioned earlier i would also like to just see some additional color onto this maybe some earthy greens introduced as well uh to the color palette to uh i appreciate the colors that are done to you know blend in with the environment a little bit so if this way it's not this bright monstrosity that's out there um i also have concerns over ada with access to some of the upper stories for members of the public who might not be able to traverse stairs it didn't seem like in the design plan here that there's anything to address that so i was wondering if elevators were considered or going to be considered into this um for allow access for people to get up to the higher elevations um as well as i i also am against the height i would like to see it be uh conforming to the neighborhood of two stories not three um i understand that there's problems with that of course um uh let's see i've also as everybody else i am concerned also about the permeable pavers being put in and preservation of the water table that is in the area for those of us who draw on well and also for the preservation of the creek that is behind the project um and i believe those are the main concerns i have i also do have some concerns over the traffic i worry that the traffic study was done during covet uh when traffic on stony point was not accurately pertaining to what is normally on stony point and that there could be potential fire evacuation hazards should a hundred people or more be input to this place while not having adequate ingress and egress to facilitate evacuations thank you all right thank you mr rinebird patty uh next one next comments okay next we have jennifer and you have the ability to unmute when you are ready hi there i am against this meeting this project entirely and for some of the reasons that most of the reasons that are environmental um the hardscape construction will not allow uh rainwater to penetrate into the ground and our groundwater storage is greatly depleted what about rosalind creek um i happen to be a creek steward and i've been cleaning up garbage in the colgan creek and the rosalind creek for many years now and it's really bad downstream from this area um it's just going to get worse with uh this big development and um what about um endangered species you know the habitat is going to be destroyed of these beautiful snakes turtles egrets hawks uh tiger salamanders especially by putting all this backfill soil on top of seasonal wetlands um what about the traffic concerns especially in times of evacuation and i agree i'm concerned that the traffic study was done during covid and uh that doesn't reflect normal conditions and especially only having a single evacuation option that is a really bad idea um there should not be a single evacuation option and also i'm concerned about the egress and ingress to this area with only being able to get there by going north on stony point um and not being able to you know being having to do a u-turn somewhere on stony point if you're going south um that's going to create a lot of traffic backup and i i drive that road regularly um and it's it's it's pretty bad um so my time is up i see and i hope you do not approve this project i'm totally against it okay next we have uh ryan Schwab and you had can i yeah i just want to how do you just want to clarify uh if that's someone else that's not ryan perhaps in his house uh can you clarify that i'll sorry i i wasn't sure if we were going to be able to give it our final minute if there wasn't enough speakers if you want to disregard me right now i'll accept that but if there is time to speak again um i would like to speak briefly again so um it's up to you if you want to speak now yeah we'll see we'll see where we get here mr. Schwab thank you so much we'll move on the next person uh looks like elizabeth vasquez buddy yes and elizabeth you can unmute and speak when you're ready yes my name is elizabeth vasquez and i live on the 3.6 acre parcel adjacent to this project but just to the north and i have a lot of concerns about it particularly i'm afraid that i will be inundated if there's any rain at all coming we had problems with the city when they uh widen stony point road and raise the level of the road about five feet in the process they also um put in a long driveway in the adjacent property and between that and a barrier that they put in i flooded as a result i lost a huge oak tree and a gigantic cypress that was over 80 feet uh because they were mired in mud and the city tried to pump the water um with the you know machine all night long to try to save my property but they couldn't and ultimately i had to remove both trees costing me over ten thousand dollars so i really have a lot of concerns um the city couldn't meet the needs for the drainage that i required and i certainly don't think that this project is going to make my problem any better i i really feel like i will be having the lake front property so i give it my last 30 seconds thank you very much all right patty it looks like uh steven hunter is not his hand up but i believe he already spoke unless perhaps there is a another individual person uh that is not him that wants to speak on his account that that will that will be acceptable i think is that the case can we confirm that uh yes if if if several people are in a um households everybody can speak and um we do have steven hunter's comments on record and i i see another raised hand um oh elizabeth vasquez hand is up okay so it looks like everyone who has had a raised hand has spoken and some more raised hands went up we have uh george and george i've given you uh the ability to unmute and speak when you're ready hi yeah my name is george hi and i'd just like to speak today in favor of this development you know as a city we are quite so i guess first i'll say where i live i live here in rosin live here all my life um and while i understand the neighborhood is changing in the stronger position i am strongly in favor of this project i think 50 units there uh of affordable housing and not just affordable housing but affordable housing with services is something that is pretty unique here to santa rosa um and i think it's a great idea i think it's going to enable our young families to be able to um you know to have that solid foundation of having affordable housing and of having services um if indeed what what the developer is promising is all true um so i think this is a great idea we should really go forward with it and at the same time i you know i grew up here and i understand the concern that um traffic's going to be a little bit crazy uh that rosin creek is a beautiful creek i walk it myself uh almost every other day and i really hope it's not impacted in any negative way because that is uh kind of a little unknown gem of this area um and finally i i think some effort should be made to see that there could be more parking i have gone to a lot of affordable housing i've seen a lot of affordable housing go up here in santa rosa particularly in roseland and you know i'm all for it but at the same time parking situation is very difficult to live with uh for those neighbors who live in the surrounding areas and so that can be addressed up front i think that'd be a great idea and finally i like to say that um if this is the property i think it is there's a problem with uh sometimes people just dump their trash there and if the developer owns their land i would really like to see them uh you know take care of the property right now before they develop it start cleaning it up because it can't be an eyesore so again i'm strongly in favor i hope this goes through but i do hear the concerns and i hope the developer can address them um as well as they can thank you thank you patty it looks like we have perhaps lizzette bird is um but before we go to lizzette i want uh since uh public comments been uh very respectful of our requests i just want to give a quick straw poll to the board here to see if they're willing to grant an additional minute to those folks that that may want an additional minute um what do you guys think just give me a thumbs up on video if you're cool with that got a thumbs up from michael henry adam john okay so uh let's go ahead and go to uh lizzette patty and then we'll circle back to uh mr hunter and mr schwaab i believe for an additional minute with them and then we'll see where we are that's that sounds like a plan okay um lizzette has been given the ability to unmute you can um speak when you're ready yeah good evening um i live here very close to to the project site and i just want to be on the record tonight um stating that i share a lot of the concerns that have already been raised uh by uh by the speakers tonight and um i've word about the environment you know the traffic safety evacuation um just the whole range uh i think this is not the the best place for for this project and um i also want to say that even huntess wife would like to speak uh thank you lizzette for your for your time um so patty let's go to uh just steven hunter there because it sounds like his wife so we'll do two minutes for her and then we'll circle back uh and we'll do the additional minute for mr schwaab and mr vazquez and then i guess if mr hunter wants an additional minute as well we can do that as as well okay um i am uh mr hunter you your wife can unmute anytime this is jamie and i did unmute can you hear me hear you thank you okay so my concern is that in like within a 900 feet radius there's going to be four of these affordable housing complexes there's north point village there's the stony point flats there's a panic place and then the other proposed stony oak i don't know when the traffic study was done and i hope that it wasn't done during the pandemic because we get an awful lot of traffic um that schools gets a lot of traffic for drop off and pick up time i see that like it could be a very dangerous situation with people rushing to and from getting to work or wherever their destinations are um i i have a concern that my my street might be used as kind of a a way to u-turn or have cars drive down and our children play out under um cul-de-sac shared driveway um it just seems like that certain points of the day now traffic is is horrendous and without having a specified lane for people to pull in and out it seems like that it's not only dangerous for fire hazard if there's an evacuation but also for just accidents happening and traffic blocking up all the way down her and up the stony point and it would be nice if there was not a chain link fence if there was something a little more appealing like some trees if trees are going to be removed it would be um you know ideal to replace what's being removed with new growth thank you for your comments yeah thank you for your comments um so let's go to Mr Schwab and just give him an extra minute as he asked um on the on the clock there yeah on the shot clock hello everybody yeah thank you again i i just want to touch on parking i i saw that there's not a parking study being done um there is only one other collaboration that i know that's complete between an integrity and phoenix that's called uh or t's family apartments in northern santa rosa there's just a couple google reviews three or so the most prolific one um says my family has asked for maintenance of the apartment equipment multiple times to no avail the parking spots are not taking care of correctly as a lot of residents are forced to park their cars elsewhere because the man manager doesn't try to solve the issue our our streets very very blocked up already we're just very concerned that there is not enough parking in this project so i'm just advocating for maybe less units more greenery and more parking i know it's hard to balance those two out but um instead of maximizing space um we should do those two things also lorna is trying to raise her hand and she is unable to get through do you see a lorna with her her hand raised by any chance i've seen that pop up and down a couple of times and i thought maybe somebody was having a problem but how do you that's lorna mcbaid it looks like yeah she's trying to speak i lorna can you raise your hand so you can speak please and then uh thank you thank you for granting the extra minute i appreciate it not a problem um let's let's try to see if we can get lorna sorted um patty but then can we do uh elizabeth an extra minute for elizabeth vasquez now please okay um as vasquez has been given the ability to unmute and you can unmute and speak when you're ready can you hear me now we can hear you we can thank you i wanted to address the issue of the north point parkway extension um i purchased the property a couple of weeks before a public uh hearing regarding um the development of of the industrial park and this extension of the north point parkway through my property was supposed to provide access for a thousand thousands of cars that would be going to work at this north point industrial park that was supposed to be the biggest industrial park in sonoma county and it was a total failure when the city was widening stony point road about five years ago one of the um people from the from the city told me that i needed to just have that that road removed from the the plans because the city would never build that road um and it sounds sort of like it's moving in that directions but that's just a little bit of background for you thank you very much um so it looks like we just have uh steven hunter for his additional minute but it i'm i'm it looks like there's two laura mcbaid's and perhaps they're she's still having an issue um oh there we go we got the hand raised there now uh so maybe we can try to do unmute laura mcbaid and and give her two minutes patty can we try that okay um laura uh you can unmute and speak when you're ready hi i'm laura mcbaid i would like two minutes please um i want to thank the board members for their sensitivity to the aesthetics and the compatibility um for surrounding neighborhoods i would beg to differ that this is quote unquote a contemporary rural blend it looks very contemporary to me i like the aesthetics but it would be so much better in an urban environment right now i believe that it is a very obtrusive monolithic structure and the chartreuse colors are very um bright the three stories is going to and i appreciated the the members comments before about the other building being 50 stories excuse me 50 feet high and dwarfing the other surrounding areas i believe that this building will do the same it will dwarf the two-story structures that are adjacent and so i'm suggesting that if they want to do 50 units they take the pool out because we're in a drought and lower the three stories to two also i'm concerned about a chain link fence going around a property it's going to make it look like a blighted area in my last comment i asked for a sound wall and trees but only the sound wall was mentioned in my comments i appreciate that there should be many more trees along the north and eastern sides along the perimeter for sight and sound barrier that parking lot lighting is going to glare right into the adjacent parcels so i'd like to know what mitigation is being done for headlights and parking light uh glare into the surrounding neighbors fencing is an issue i would like to see some really beautiful fencing at least 10 feet high graffiti um abatement as part of it thank you thank you miss mcbaid i'm glad we were able to get you uh get your comments and sorry you had some technical difficulties there um so i think at this time the last hand i'm seeing is steven hunter and we'll give him an additional minute okay uh mr hunter you can unmute when you're ready can you guys hear me we can hear you okay i'm just gonna use my last minute to try and cover a few of the things that i didn't get to earlier um i think that that i i i think that there's definitely mr hunter can mr underkeen take a quick pause here it looks like we lost our uh our time we just sorry this is one of the hosts we just lost our feet if you can hold on a second so yeah one one sec we we'd love for your comments but we we need the little timer up there on the screen thanks and mike can you uh can you mute mr schwaab and and miss vazquez as well while you're working this out thanks today we're we're good to go all right thanks so much um so we're gonna set the uh clock here for 60 seconds and then we're gonna go back to uh mr hunter okay i just need a moment to find we can hear you uh please go ahead this project is immediately north of rosalind creek there's a trail along rosalind creek that's frequented by daily walkers children people riding their bikes i since we've been social uh learning distancing i have been walking my own children along that uh creek trail at least um once a day if possible and i want to make sure that that trail is preserved in this project and if anything it's only improved also i want to make sure that in front of this house because in front of this structure because it's being built on a four-foot building pad to get it out of the floodway and then 39 feet on top of that if the more screening trees we have in front of it the better and ideally balconies would just be on the south side but that's just a request how should my time run thank you thank you so much mr hunter we appreciate your comments so at this time uh i i just want to do one more double check make sure we don't have any other hands raised for public comment and if someone has already spoken and you'd like an additional minute we'd be more than happy to grant that to you um but i just want to make one more pass here um through our public comments um it looks like miss mcbaid would like an additional minute and maybe mr rheinberg as well so uh patty can we go with uh miss mcbaid first and then mr rheinberg okay miss mcbaid you can unmute and speak when you're ready thank you i'm just really concerned about the fact that there's a pool being placed in this property during a very high drought time i would like to really appeal to the board sensibilities about the pool issue um parking is another very big concern of mine there is a lack of parking you have only 97 spots for over 100 residents and sonoma county has 2.4 as an average per household the overflow parking normally would go along a street in this case stony point and north point parkway do not allow parking so the overflow would have to go into the adjoining neighborhood which already has a very uh large problem with inadequate parking so i would like the developer and the board to very much consider this parking issue um as sensitivity to the adjoining neighborhood okay chair weigel next we have nick rheinberg we can unmute and speak when you're ready the only thing i the only thing i really have to say is i i i would like to uh notify the board and that i appreciate all of the efforts that connor mckay has put in over the past couple weeks with all of the emails from the public and the responses that he's provided um it's really appreciated considering some of the um interactions that we've had in the some of us have had in the past with other colleagues from the department that has not been um gone as well i should say that's all i really want to say thank you very much mr rheinberg so at this time i think i'd like to close public comment seeing no more hands raised um and we'll bring it back to the board here for some questions and comments of applicants and staff but um i wanted to just uh just in an effort to try to expedite some of the comments i heard a couple of comments that that were i think we can give some really quick answers to uh based on either something that maybe is in the zoning code uh or something that's uh you know could could be easily answered so i just i wanted to to kind of go through those really quickly and then we'll turn it over to the board but so for the first one i heard is i heard a lot of commentary about the building height and i and so connor or bill uh what is the max height in this zoning district i believe it's 35 feet is that correct yeah so um it's the r318 zoning district and there is actually a discrepancy between the printed version of the zoning code and the digital version that makes it a little bit hard to decipher where that um vertical line uh dissects the re bisects the 35 foot and 45 foot max height but we have determined that 45 feet is the maximum height for this property okay so so that hopefully answers some questions about building heights so in theory they uh this project could go to 45 feet it sounds like based on the zoning um another quest another uh item i heard uh was about fences in terms of height of fences um and i'm gonna try to take a stab at this one uh i believe eight feet is the maximum height as permitted within the zoning code with a six foot good neighbor fence and a two foot lattice uh and then an additional high fence could be approved by the drb i believe that's correct is that right andrew i guess that is correct the um additional height would require a minor conditional use permit is eligible for density bonus and density bonus does provide for incentives and concessions uh the project also complies with the inclusionary housing ordinance um and incentives and concessions would be delivered through that so those incentives and concessions can be two development standards and request modifications of development standards correct actually that was going to be my next question to the applicant or perhaps uh to staff is that i believe in the documentation provided to us from the applicant the concessions that they're pursuing are an additional unit and a parking reduction is that correct at this time it could change but sure we we don't have a a request for density bonus at this point in time we we needed the parcel survey to be able to complete the analysis and then staff will um return through the process of a notice of incomplete application uh to make that density bonus application request as needed yeah i i just i guess i was referring there's a summary of density bonus in their project narrative where they were asking for an additional unit and then the parking so that that's why i thought i asked the question at least okay um because i think it's important for the public to understand that if the if the developer wants to take a concession which is parking a parking reduction that is permitted by state law correct that's a state law which then is reinforced with a local ordinance and zoning code is that correct uh yes that is correct okay so um so i want to get those answered uh let me let's see here uh the uh ADA access there's a question about ADA access i believe uh in the building code this is addressed the certain percentage of the units have to be accessible and they can be located on the ground floor is that i think that's right but uh so there would be you know that would be as part part of the building permit process to determine if there was the adequate amount of accessible units and if they weren't meeting that that would require a redesign that that's correct i believe it's a percentage of unit tight so a percentage of one two and three bedroom units would have to be accessible and those could be located on the ground floor correct and then um i guess the last the last thing i heard uh two things desired two things um they had a question on parking lot lighting that's a design review stipulation on all projects we covered that in the last project your light can't spill out from your project um and then the creek trail i believe during the applicant's presentation they stated that they would be preserving the creek um in some fashion so does that i think those are the the biggest notes i had to try to answer the public's comments why go live two other two other what i thought were sort of low hanging fruit that hopefully the applicant can answer um i wanted to there's a lot of concern about runoff from the property i'm certain that there are provisions within the code that are going to address the runoff maybe that would be a good thing to talk about just to just to solve cure for that and as well the subject about hoping for hardy plank which i'm i'm guessing that the applicant is using a um fire resistant material for that vertical and horizontal siding those would be two two more things just quickly that i noted that would be really simple to solve by with an answer from the applicant department yeah i agree with you board member birch can we either maybe andy bordessa the civil engineer on the drainage could answer the drainage and then uh lauren bruggeman could answer the material it looked like it was all hearty hearty siding but it doesn't say it explicitly um quick quick note before uh we we call on those people um this project will also be reviewed by the waterways advisory committee who will provide um their their own input on the project as it relates to compliance with the city's uh creek master plan uh zoning code regulations for creek side development and general plan policies related to flood plain and drainage okay so uh if we could get maybe the civil engineer real quick and maybe uh the applicant on the hearty siding get that answered real quick hi this is uh andy bordessa civil design consultants uh can you all hear me we can thanks andy okay great um yeah regarding regarding the drainage uh i think it has uh been mentioned by someone from the public that um the site will be uh raised uh based on my calculations about two feet to uh raise it above the hundred plain hundred year flood elevation um the drainage uh well there are provisions already in place uh pertaining to lid development um that will require us to retain uh on site basically the two year storm event and uh have that water infiltrate back into the ground there's also cal green requirements um that will require our surface parking to be at a minimum of 20 percent permeable um so those those provisions are already in place and the project design will meet those provisions cool thank you very much and then uh i guess a quick answer on the the siding if it's all hearty from maybe born or or somebody else from his team sure this is phil what i'll jump in here here okay i finding no go ahead you're correct the assumption that that we are looking at hearty plank in stucco well we're we're looking at using cement fiber board there's like three or four different i don't want to say hearty plank because we may use whatever but we will be using cement fiber and pregnant siding in both a lap and in a um panel um and then there'll be some stucco accents cool thank you so much yeah heart there's hearty nichee ha borel i mean that's just three there's like at least six i think american fiber cement um anyway uh so i'd like to bring it back to the board questions and comments on the project and i'd like to start with board member wicks he's in the hot seat tonight with wicks is the last name i'm so used to going last here you're you're waking me up early uh chairman weigel thank you um uh thank you to the applicant team for um working with a long narrow difficult site um i think you've done an excellent job with um utilizing it i think a lot of the uh public comments that we've heard about from an environmental side of things will obviously shake out during during the uh sequel process as you move forward with the project um i the the characterization of the rural meets contemporary i think um for me for me it does ring true but i i see a little bit too much rural in it for for my architectural tastes um i think it's well done on the um the actual housing units the three-story units i think the blend of contemporary meeting rural works really well on the two uh residential buildings where it falls down for me is on the pool house building and and the leasing office if uh we could get slide uh a 6.0 to come up um kind of like to speak to a picture and i'd love to be back in the chamber and having a laser pointer to articulate my my comments a little bit with with the picture yeah for sure um sorry can you specify which presentation you're referring to um i think i've got you want the design plans number four design oh i'm sorry yeah the design plans attachment attachment for i think is what andry wants one sec sorry while you're pulling that up i've just um the chain link fencing if i could ask the applicant um are you considering something other than just uh industrial chain link fencing that that when somebody says chain link that's kind of the envision that i that evokes in my head are would would hog hog wire with would post or some other post setup um is that in the in consideration and i i think i i i could appreciate having the open space to the creek from the unit side i i can't see i'm having trouble visualizing an 8 foot 10 foot 12 foot tall fence that was solid board and uh good neighbor of any kind i just i just uh i think not taking advantage of looking at the creek would would uh we are looking at the whole fencing um uh uh issue um uh in in my mind and you know i'll let any other design team speak up but we definitely do not want to put fencing along the creek i think that'll be obtrusive i um we we're really looking at now not doing any fencing and just do landscape divisions along the property edges i think that's more appropriate um uh some of those considerations i think we're we're definitely looking at and trying to soften the edges i'd be a really i think putting up an eight or 10 foot wall um i don't know it just i think it defeats the whole purpose of community but i'll leave that up to the discretion of the board and i planner mckay uh do you do you know where the closest bus bus stop is as well for public transit access um off the top of my head i do but i can find that out for you actually uh there's there's a park on um cern not too far from the site that actually is like a bus transfer area it's right in the park in the cul-de-sac i also believe there's bussing on stony point phil i i think you've done the research on the bus traffic on stony point can you uh speak to that yes and i want to verify this where i want to say it's within a quarter mile it looks like there's a are you talking about that bus transfer cul-de-sac or if if we're talking about specifically about bus stops uh 415 feet to the south is uh to the south on stony point road is a bus stop um okay um one one kind of related to that and where i'm going with it is the the parking ratio um at 1.78 um seems seems very reasonable do you have a statistic on numbers of cars that is typically rented by by her unit or um something that justifies you know lower income people tend to in my experience tend to take transit versus versus having two or three cars in the household so yes i would agree with that i would absolutely agree with that and we see many of our communities our households are sharing a vehicle as well uh and our our parking there was uh count error on the first sheet we have 97 parking spaces across 50 units if we parked to the city's affordable housing code for a multifamily affordable housing project the requirement for that would be 88 parking spaces so we're actually you know we are maximizing the parking that we can on this site uh and providing 97 parking spaces so we're theoretically over parking uh but okay so and then you verify car counts when you when you lease so so the number of parking spaces would be allocated equitably yes and and on projects where parking is an issue we will we're on a parking permit situation for the tenants many times we don't find the the need for the administrative process and we have ample parking okay great and then i have the i believe it was sheet a 6.2 of the design plans is that correct board member witz yeah actually go to go to 6.3 i'll start off on a positive note and and try to relate why why i i um have a little bit of issue with the other other two buildings and make a suggestion on how they might be improved and and i'm sure my other fellow board members have um can jump on it if they feel the same or if they disagree i'd like to hear that too but um i i like the integration of of kind of rural meets contemporary in this and maybe there's just more contemporary uh elements to it there's there's some really nice push and pull um the gable ends are are butted up to these block forms so it takes a little bit of the um that that shallow pitched um rural flavor that was popular in the 70s and 80s um takes it away from it i i like the colors in this scheme which in full sunlight the the darker chocolate brown lightens up a little bit for me and and in some of your 2d elevations it's it feels too dark for for my chase so i really like i like this size i think the proportions work really well um and i wish that you could integrate some of this flavor into uh if you just go up one slide uh planter mckay to uh a 6.2 so the poolhouse in particular just has um your money shot one let me go to leasing office almost does it but it's it's just this block cube stuck in the corner of a gable element and an offset gable element and it's it's just a little feels a little awkward to me and i think with a little bit of refinement and and i i also want to say in all my comments i want to be sensitive to costs and not try to add costs to a project that you're probably already on a tight budget in the way lumber skyrocketing it's uh it's going to get really difficult for this to be built anytime soon but um the poolhouse building just just looks out of place with the character of of what i really like in your residential buildings beyond and maybe it's just a matter of of adding one of the contemporary um green elements on the end and uh reworking that staircase um look to my other look look forward to hearing some of my other fellow board member uh comments uh about that particular building other than that i like i think just to reiterate i i really like the good uh well thought out site plan uh i think long narrow sites like this are are difficult um and that's all i have for right now let's go to board member Sharon excellent thank you um and thanks to the members of the public for their thorough comments um very much appreciate the conversation and um uh yes and i won't um belabor a lot of what what henry um as mentioned um in his comments but um uh i agree i i like the the combination of the the rural and um contemporary um and it is true with the the two buildings that he mentioned that's where it uh it does fall a little bit short um and uh let's see some new comments um or different comments um the uh the rural aspect that you're going for um i feel almost is is uh is a little more mountainous than uh you know coastal and sonoma county wise this reminds me is the coloration you've got with the um deep dark browns while they're they're pretty luscious um as as henry mentioned their coffee and chocolate um but they remind me of forest service land and forest service cabins um whereas i i'm drawn more towards the dusky grays um and uh of of the coastal um coastal hills coastal plant palates um towards the the golden hill sides around here look at taylor mountain and uh and adel park you've got um golds and and greens um not deep dark browns which um i feel um i think you're you're you're on the right track with that with having that be your your design trope um with the rural and the contemporary but um i think it the at least in terms of the color expression um and potentially some of the forms could be um explored a little bit more um as henry mentioned also a linear site um very um tricky to work with especially when you've got the eastern end they're lopped off um for you um i well you've also got everything um you've you've maxed out the space really really well um but everything is is very much lined up um linearly and i think in terms of the site layout i want a little bit um i want some play with that and i i think it could also be expressed in in the um the buildings a little bit too i think with the balconies um you could have so the there's kind of a flat aspect to some of the buildings you do have the um the entrances where where it pops out of it but i feel like there could be more pops here and there maybe the balconies come out um and then expressing that into the site um it's uh it's really tricky because it's very narrow um but if there's some way to to bring some um some roundness some kind of bulging out to some of the the areas the you know long sidewalk right down the middle um the very much all the buildings are lined up very very um in a singular line um i think there there could be some way to to move things around a little bit to create a little bit more of a to contrast with the the length of the site um to make it they have a little bit more motion and rhythm um um glad to hear that you're thinking about um you're wanting to keep the access to the creek open and no fencing there definitely no walls i'm waiting on that um the saying is the you know good fences make good neighbors not good walls so um i think um having that open and i'm on the waterways advisory committee and so um i'll be getting another look at this um as it comes to us um but um the i think that you're being sensitive to that that you really don't want to mess with with a public resource um is really important as well too so glad to hear that you're thinking about that looking to the north of the site also glad that you're thinking um rethinking your fencing strategy um obviously you got a lot of comments on that um i was going to talk about the the fencing as well um and just it does seem like a um it's sparse on that side on the north side of the site and um thinking about you know uh parking and cars coming in and out there um headlights and having some way to buffer that um uh to the on the other side you know you've got the immediate neighbor but then you also have all of the houses on the other side of that lot as well and having however many um cars pointing at that um at night um a lot of headlights um and so um i think some of that rhythm that i was talking about can also be brought in through use of trees i know this is conceptual but in your your layout and your planting layout um the the trees that you've you've got here you know at least representationally are pretty uniform um really thinking bigger trees um having a mix of of stature and in width um you know going with um with referencing the site um of what's there the the trees that are actually there on site and the native trees that are there too we talked a little bit about that in the previous project but the diversity of oaks is really important um and wrapping my comments also referencing the site um i think um one of the things that you're hearing uh from a lot of the the neighbors and from commenters in general is that this is a very important um uh resource rich area um lots of fauna um using this area birdlife um and uh in an urban area where more development is happening where we need more development to be happening which i support um i think you can also still reference what um you are going to be um the changing the use of and making more um human focused and so um uh i i think bringing in some of that natural rhythm really referencing the native plant palette you mentioned that in in the um project description that you're going to be doing that but i also see fan palms um around the pool area um not very you know northern california sinoma county um uh you know i i really want to see the the native plant palette and really referencing what is there as well um this lagoona de santa rosa is a really important resource that's here um there is you know i'll be really interested to see how the the sequence process um plays out you know in the there are um yeah they're important flora and fauna that are here there's the sebastible metaphone which is endemic to the to the laguna de santa rosa um like endemic to seasonal wetlands in this laguna de santa rosa seasonal wetlands are very much uh vastly disappearing um uh ecotype in sinoma county and in the santa rosa plain and at least um bringing in references to that um especially in the mitigation and especially with what um you know will be found there um i think that's good that can be um not seen as a as a hindrance but actually something that you can potentially highlight as well um you can you've got very linear bio beds as you call them here um but your swales your water retention your water filtration referencing being close to um the creek there um make those more um amorphous and sinuous to really um reference this as a site of the laguna de santa rosa of the santa rosa plain and of seasonal wetlands in particular you've got a lot of family amenities here um you could your tot lot um your um the gathering areas your family areas could be um you know bringing in some of the the programming aspects of it too referencing what is there referencing referencing what you are actually um impacting um on with this site um be really site specific um i that i would that's the main thing i would encourage both with the the choice of that rural and contemporary but then also with some of the the layout as well um uh i know yeah i know that you're um in concept and you're thinking about all these things but keep pushing that and um we'll look forward to seeing how you guys um iterate on this um yeah i think the housing will be an asset um and okay that should do it thank you thanks adam uh let's go to board member mckew you're you're muted john sorry that's okay what's interesting to me is as i sit and i listen to my fellow board members and i think i don't disagree with anything anything that they've said what's what's fascinating to me is is we're talking about something that doesn't exist and so we have a palette and this palette is subject to uh you know the suggestions that we're we're bringing forward i mean from my perspective i like the rural contemporary aspect of this i like the design i like the colors i like what you're what you're attempting to do i think that this is a project that needs to happen uh it's uh housing that we desperately need and so when you're putting this together i'm just hoping that you will take into consideration some of the comments the public has made particularly with respect to design not so much with respect to traffic because i don't know any place in santa rosa for traffic isn't an issue so i'm not really concerned about that but i i i am hoping that you will spend a little time looking at the comments that are relative to the design of the project and see where you can incorporate those those aspects so that uh it's more pleasing if that's the right word to say to the to the surrounding neighborhoods cool uh that it any more thoughts john no that would i'm done okay perfect uh board member birch yeah i'm gonna start with uh complimenting the applicant on uh bringing this project to this neighborhood affordable housing belongs in every neighborhood in every community and to bring this housing to this neighborhood uh this becomes a neighborhood asset by having affordable housing in every neighborhood in every community it's not a change and a benefit to a few lives it's a sea change for a community to to begin to integrate uh people of all income levels needs issues etc together and not have exclusive enclaves in neighborhoods i know this is not um it's certainly not suggesting that this neighborhood hasn't come up in any single way but i think that this neighborhood could look at this as an asset and an opportunity to impact the overall health and well-being of the community by welcoming this project into their neighborhood so that's always my thought on affordable housing i hope the trend continues east we'll see how it goes but i want to compliment the applicant team on having the courage to to to envision this project and bring it forward i really love the way that they've dealt with the long narrow site um adam i hear your your comments one of the things that i actually like about this project is that instead of trying to bounce around too much which can create a little bit of claustrophobia i like that there's an openness and it um i think that that openness is that you give up a little bit maybe in some of the bumps and ins and outs i hope that maybe mature landscaping and some other things would start to to mitigate um that issue um as far as the architecture goes henry stole everything i had to say the pool building sort of turned in i was feeling like camp with the pool right outside in the tall building with the you know i was really feeling like i was going to get called into the camp director for for some harebrained thing i did the night before at the dining hall but um i again the the multifamily buildings i think the integration of uh the contemporary and the rural or the contemporary and henry referenced it a little bit more as kind of that 70s low pitch roof um in elevation the low pitch roof of those tall buildings is really sort of jarring but you realize that your view is always too apportion or a piece so there's a nice suggestion of that form uh mixed with the contemporary and then you get the stucco pop outs and i think you have a really successful formula it just feels to me like the leasing building and the pool building are really unfinished and don't carry the same character they're a little smaller it's going to be tricky but i do think that they just they need to come they need to come to the plate with the same game that the multifamily buildings do so that was spot on henry and i think across the board we're all we're all seeing that as far as fences go i i i'm i'm you know the eight to ten foot fence i think that you'd have to realize that would be a more jarring impact to the neighborhood than the buildings that are set back on the property and have movement and form and light and shadow and an eight to ten foot fence on the edge of this property is really going to be a um from your perspective from the street it's going to be taller than the building so you're going to be looking at you're going to look at a sound wall and i i think that that is again it's the adam or or or or uh board member mckew said that i think that's not a sense of community or maybe the applicant did so i think that the less fencing the better find that sweet spot between site security that's real and the ability to keep the site open to the creek trail especially and i think you really hit the sweet spot but i think this project is um going to be a little gem over here in this area and i appreciate what you guys have brought forward a little touch up on the architecture and get your sequa work done and make sure that make sure that you're you're right with sequa and i think it would be a fantastic project for santa rosa thanks michael um yeah i'm gonna have to agree with uh you and henry the pool the pool building did feel like camp to me very much so uh very eloquently said um i uh so something occurred to me about um i think more appropriately the uh the the the larger buildings um i think maybe all of them is is i think what was bothering me in terms of the color palette was the the shingle color is so very close to the the siding color um and and i'd like some contrast there between the roof and the siding um because it does feel kind of like a monotone chocolate mass um i would uh encourage the applicant to pursue a high albedo metal roof um particularly if if you're going after a net zero building why not try to go after it and use materials that are more conducive to um getting you into a better better place with calderon in title 24 um so i would i would encourage that um and then you'll never have to touch your roof for 50 years and instead of having to repair as well shingles in 10 years um air towers need a little bit of contrast between the stair towers and the brown i actually really like the brown and kind of the lime green um but i i'd love a little bit more contrast on that stair tower like a third color like a gray i think like what what uh adam was saying i think that might fix it and then if you carry kind of those elements over into the pool building and the leasing center um and and try to like take what's working so well on the uh the large housing buildings out of the to the smaller buildings i think that that uh they'll make them much more successful um regarding fencing i'm just going to touch on this i don't think you need to eliminate the fences i think you need to design the fences um so if you want fences do fences but design the fences so and make them characters to the show that is your project um if it's wood with hogwire if it's hollow metal it's just a steel with wood slats or something it could be anything as long as it meets the character of of your project um and then i you know really only the last comment i had was uh parking cover i i really like the idea of covered parking um um because it it just seems to i don't know it reduces heat island potentially uh but it's also not many i know it costs money but um it may be something to look at uh and then this the the idea of pervious paving i think is a really big critical element that we heard a lot from the public i know that there are some hangups with that um particularly you know you may have to over excavate put in the proper drainage materials to make that work and then there's a maintenance situation associated with permeable paving in terms of you got to kind of vacuum it out uh every once in a while uh otherwise it's not going to drain properly so there are some considerations there but i think we did hear enough from the public about potential drainage situations in here that that i would try to shy away from hardscape as much as humanly possible um whatever that means um and then uh i think that's it for my comments i wanted to make sure i got all the questions answered here oh i did skip one ingress egress of the property um do we uh i guess it's related to the traffic situation but if the traffic engineer is gone we can probably let it go right uh chair waggle i think we do still have rob sprinkle uh in the yeah i'm still here great thanks okay yeah just i think a quick answer rob on kind of the north point parkway in ingress egress and how that might all work i think that would be the that's the last comment i have on my list and then we can wrap up so the traffic study isn't currently complete um i have seen a draft of it uh and some of my comments i think will be addressing uh how to help facilitate the ingress and egress there um my i'm proposing to widen the driveway a little bit more than the standard 26 foot just to allow for ease of access and um and egress if there are you know cars waiting to to turn right and waiting to come in to make sure that that flows well um the other item is that people will have to the people are correct you will have to u-turn either up at giffin or um down at pair blossom where i'm proposing that the um the applicant consider putting in a uh a u-turn lane before for the to facilitate that as part of the um as part of the overall operations for getting into and out of the property there cool so thank thank you very much uh rob um so with that i does anybody have any final comments but stirred when everybody else was talking sure why gore uh there were also several of the the members of the public were concerned about the traffic data uh that would be used in graphic analysis uh we did look at the draft that um rob just mentioned that's under review and it does say that the uh traffic counts were collected in 2019 um provided on the city's website with approval from the city and that traffic counts are then adjusted with an ambient growth rate of 1 per cent per year to be representative of the year 2021 and then they also do another adjustment to look forward to opening year of 2022 so uh that's uh the data are pre-covid data that are being used well thank you very much for that andrew um okay so no there are no other comments from the board uh i i did want um i did want to reiterate it's uh to the public and everybody else that it sounds like we're going to see this project again um so us the design review board as opposed to the zoning administrator um so there will be another opportunity for you to come back and uh share your your thoughts with us um at which point that that will fall under the public hearing and three minutes will that'll be the process like we would normally do so i just would want to encourage the everyone that spoke tonight if you uh if you'd like to come back uh and share with us again we'd love to have you and uh bill do you have any closing thoughts on that no i just wanted to reiterate what you were saying uh that is is all true uh and i just wanted to offer a very sincere thanks to all the board members um for your efforts tonight all of your input uh drew in particular wonderful job appreciate everything and your leadership and also to the public uh the comments uh as we we requested we're really right on point and very helpful and very informative and meaningful to the discussion so uh going forward for any of the the members of the public watching tonight please continue to forward comments to connor um we'll make sure they are in the record and they will be part of the packet that goes back to the board when this item goes for action so thank you everyone uh job very well done sure why sure why do i just want to quickly say i didn't miss the comment the positive very positive comment about planter mckay's um interaction with the public and his work on this project and um that that makes all of our work easier when um the public is is treated with respect and and taking care of by staff and and it makes this process easier for everyone so i wanted to make sure that planter mckay knew that uh we heard that comment and thank him for um his job on this yes keep up the good work connor we appreciate it um thank you appreciate it no problem um so we'll uh close item eight point two and leads us to item nine which is adjournment uh so everybody have a great thursday evening and weekend and we'll we'll see you uh at our next regular scheduled design review pardon me have a good one all right thanks all bye bye