 We're ready to fly, Roger. Roger, Roger. Yeah, let me hide. Oh, where'd he go? Oh, is it time already? It is time already. Shall we get this? Nice. As we say in America, shall we get this show on the road? Let's hit the road, Jack. All right, here we go. Daily Tech News Show is powered by its audience, not outside organizations. To find out more, head to DailyTechNewsShow.com. This is The Daily Tech News for Tuesday, November 15th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt, joining me today on Tuesdays. Patrick Beja is my co-pilot. How's it going, Patrick? So I'm plagued by the convention flu, I think, from BlizzCon 10 days ago. So if I inadvertently sneeze during the show, I hope you'll excuse me. I hope you'll hear the world say gazuntite, or whatever it is in their local language. I hope so, too. Yeah. I'm sorry to hear your, Ilan, but thank you for persevering and coming on the show. We have a topic that is dominating the news cycles, not just in technology news. This idea of fake news. And before you turn off your podcast, just know we're not going to talk about the election. Obviously, we're going to mention the election because that is the impetus for people discussing this idea of whether false news is getting out on Facebook too much or whatever. But mostly, I think what I wanted to talk about, and Patrick, too, is how to identify good news sources. Not good news is in, like, you know, a monkey helped a woman cross the street. But, like, quality news that you can rely on. That news item would definitely need our attention as well. Maybe I'll use that as an example because that's when I'd be like, I want to see a few more sources on this first before I pass it along. So that's what we're going to talk about in our main discussion. Little tidbits. WhatsApp is going to roll out video calling to its Android Windows and iOS apps in the next few days. Intel is going to sink 250 million into autonomous cars, not building cars but tech for them. DJI introduced the obstacle avoiding $1,500 Phantom 4 Pro and the $3,000 Inspire 2 Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. You might call them drones. Those are available now. If you'd like to order them now, here are some more top stories. Twitter updated its policy Tuesday to allow anyone to report abusive content for removal. Before, you could report spam, but you can only be the target of abusive content if you wanted to report it. Twitter also promises its support team will deal with reports more quickly and more sensitively. Twitter also introduced mute words. That is an expanded mute function for notifications. So you can say, I don't want any notifications if the post contains this particular keyword or set of keywords. You can also drop out of notifications. If you get caught in one of those long threads, sometimes they call them canoes, where there's like 16 people at replied. You can say, I don't need to be notified about that anymore as well. And these will be rolling out, as we said, over the next few days. Twitter keeps trying to do this in very slow steps. I think it's probably a good idea. I'm talking mainly about the harassment elements, but actually the muting and notifications might be part of it. I keep thinking that they should do more in the position we're in, in the West in countries where freedom of speech is kind of a given. And every time I try to think of the consequences, if they went a little bit too far and if they required identification and things like that, like Facebook does, using real name stuff like that. And it poses problems in countries where free speech is not as readily available. So it's always something to keep in mind. Yeah, I really like the idea of dropping out of one of those canoe things, because the few times I've been caught up in one, it's usually not harassment or abuse, thankfully. I'm lucky enough in that respect. But it's usually something where I just don't care anymore. Like two other people are arguing over something and I just got caught in it because I happened to be in early in the conversation when maybe it wasn't so contentious. So saying, you know what, I don't need a notification popping up every time those two are arguing. Yes, totally for that. Mute words is handy, but it could go wrong unintentionally for yourself. You know, like there are synonyms and homonyms and things like that. So it's one of those things where I don't fault Twitter for handing it over as a tool, but it's something you yourself, you know, you're going to leave yourself out of some conversations unintentionally, perhaps. Yeah, to go back to the canoes as you're calling them, I didn't know that was the term. It's always interesting because you don't know if you should remove the person that isn't really actively participating anymore if it's kind of impolite because you're sort of dropping them or if you should, you know, so maybe that's a good source. Yeah, I mean, if you're on the side of the two people arguing, right, if you drop the other person out, I mean, they could still see the conversation and join back in, but it is sort of saying, well, you're not part of this anymore. And at what point do you decide that for that person? And again, this is all just notification. Some people are going to complain this isn't going far enough because it doesn't take it out of your timeline if you're going to your timeline. It just stops it from popping up on your phone. Well, Google has introduced photo scan for iOS and Android meant to scan your physical photos into digital versions. The process involves one photo to identify the corners and then four more with which the app guides you to take focusing on each corner. So one general and one for each corner after that, it then stitches them together into a high quality digital image. Yeah, and if you watch the way it works, you don't actually go to the corner of the photo. You just go up into the corner. The idea is that you want to get four pictures of four different parts of the photo so that it can do things like eliminate glare and things like that without losing any of the resolution of the photo. And then you can add it to Google Photos. You can put filters on it, all kinds of stuff like that. It's not terribly fast. This isn't going to be as good as an actual physical scanner that would just run through all of your photos. But it's certainly better than trying to take pictures of them yourself and line it up perfectly and get a good quality image of the piece of paper that you're trying to take a picture of. Yeah, it's probably not something that you're going to be using to digitize the hundreds of photos that you've had since the 60s for those of us who have been around that long. But it is faster than actually trying to align it and take the right quality and the right frame and all of this. It's good. It's probably good for people who want to keep 10, 20, maybe 50 photos that they've selected from their big collections. And that's already something. Yeah, and I could see there have been a few times where I needed to take a picture of something. This is kind of a silly example, but when I did the pretend I'm dumb about Star Wars series that I did back in the fall, I had a photo that I had taken with a Kodak disc camera in the 80s of several Star Wars figures that I had got for my birthday. And so I had to take my camera and line it up and try to get, you know, it's not a great quality photo to begin with because it was a disc camera, right? But I needed to make it as non-glarey as possible. This would have been great for that because I wouldn't have had to think about it so much just, you know, four corners scan it in and I've got the best quality representation of it I could get. And the chat room caught on to the fact that I'm actually from the 70s, not the 60s. So no, I'm not that old. Well, I don't mean to embarrass you, but what year? 73. Oh, okay. You're saying me. Well, see, because I like to say I was born in the 60s sometimes and then pull that thing where technically 1970 is the last year of the 60s. And then people who are actually born in the 60s tell me to buzz off because they're baby boomers and I'm not. Security firm crypto wire found software from Chinese company Shanghai ad-ups sends full contents of text messages, contact lists, call logs, location information and other data to a Chinese server every 72 hours. Ad-up says that software runs on more than 700 million Android devices can be found on products from Huawei and ZTE. Most of the affected models according to crypto wire were prepaid or disposable phones. These are low end Android devices. U.S. based blue discovered the software on 120,000 phones and has since removed it through a software update. Ad-ups told the New York Times the software was not meant for the U.S. market. It says it was written for an unnamed Chinese company who wanted the data for customer support reasons. Things like identifying junk text messages and calls coincidentally. Ad-ups also provides big data services to clients as well. So obviously, you know, a lot of people are going to jump to conclusion of Chinese spying from the government side, but I would guess it's more likely that this was just good old-fashioned adware. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of difficult to not get suspicious and the justification of its identifying junk text messages and calls. It's kind of, yeah, maybe but that's probably not the most likely explanation, you know. No, I don't for a minute believe that the only reason was to block text messages from disposable phones. I mean, maybe that's one of the things they were trying to do, but this is a big data company. They work with other big data companies. It's called Ad-ups I mean, let's be honest. They were tracking as much data as they could for advertising reasons and knew they could get away with it in their home country and possibly other countries didn't mean for it to go to the United States because they knew they'd be an illegal quagmire if it did. Yeah, and I don't want to be anti-conspiracy but you know, it wouldn't surprise me either if the Chinese government had access to all of these as well. Maybe not the most likely scenario but it is a scenario that is not impossible. It does raise an eyebrow just as much as any kind of data that is being collected in the United States without proper disclosure would make people think that the CIA and the NSA could be looking at it as well. Yeah, I'd go a step further and say it's not just as much a little bit more likely but that's just my opinion. Let's talk about something fun. Yeah, Super Mario Run will arrive on iOS devices December 15 for $10. It's a one-time fee with no in-app purchases and users can download a free demo to try before paying for the full game. People with iOS 8 or later will be able to buy the game in 151 countries. An Android version will come at some point in the future according to Nintendo. Now, Bitomo was a hit for a while. Apparently some people still use it. Pokemon Go, huge monster hit not directly Nintendo's and also, you know, its audience has definitely consolidated to a much smaller audience. This will be the first big test of Nintendo and iOS. This is Mario. This is Mario coming to your phone. And a lot of people are reacting, Laktinvac is reacting in the chat room right now basically saying $10 for an endless runner. And so I don't know if I can take credit for this one. Maybe not take credit, but at least say I told you so. That was the price I predicted a few months ago when it was announced. I think $10 is a price that is absolutely fair for a game that is a real game. Phones have been plagued with free-to-play games that are trying to cash in on you at every turn that have often a level of quality and polish that is questionable at best. This is a different kind of approaching games. It's a console manufacturer that often sells its games at a premium that has immense brand recognition and it's an event. As you said it's the first actual Nintendo and Mario game on the console. So it's not that surprising, it's more expensive than similar games in a similar target. So I do think that this signals hopefully a way for actual core game developers to approach the market by doing, by creating great core gaming experiences for core gamers and not just past time games that anyone can play if they have two minutes. That being said and I'll finish on that $10 is a starting price. I think the reason why I thought it was going to be that price is that you are going to have some people that will be willing to pay that price and the price can go down after a couple of months. They can have promotions and temporary price drops. They can't start selling it for $799 or $499 and then hike the price up if they realize it's super popular. So to me it makes a lot of sense. Well and Tinvec again says if this is extremely Mario-like I'll be in. If it's a Mario skin jungle run then nope. And that's why the fact that they're giving you a free demo to download where you can play three different aspects of the game shows that they're confident that they can sway you on that. They're going to let you play it for free to try it out to go hey look this isn't just jungle run at least that's their hope and hopefully get you to convert to paying $10 because that's it. Once you pay the $10 you can play this forever. There's no in-app purchases. There's no you know trying to trick you into buying items or coins or anything like that. Yeah and I mean it's not going to be a full Mario experience because you don't have a pad and it's also you know a fourth or a sixth of the price of a full Mario game so you shouldn't expect that. However from what we've seen we don't know yet because we haven't played the actual game but from what we've seen it does seem like it is a little bit more satisfying for a core gamer than something like a regular endless runner would be. I'm going to try the demo. There's no reason not to if you're all interested in this. Are you kidding me? The demo no one will not try it. I think that's given so. Unless you just have a dark cinder like heart in which case we understand. The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has introduced a rule that electric and hybrid cars must make an audible noise when the car is in operation at less than 19 miles per hour. Patrick this will please you it act the rule actually states 30 kilometers per hour and then they yes car makers must have half of all new cars that they sell in compliance by September 1st 2018 and all new vehicles must have the system starting September 1st 2019 Europe has a similar rules car car makers have until July 1st 2019 to fit all new models of hybrid and pure electric vehicles with the mandatory acoustic vehicle alerting system while all existing models have another two years to have it installed aftermarket the US is letting older models just get away without it but they are saying that you got to start putting it in all cars after 2019 September 1st we'll have to have it it does not stipulate in the press release from the Department of from the NHTS a what the noise should sound like there are way too many words in the actual notice for proposed rulemaking about what the noise could sound like but it does seem like it would be similar to the backup noise the trucks make the beep beep beep which when you're going there's a few neighborhoods around here that have a 15 mile an hour speed limit on streets how annoying is that if every car going down the street is going to be going beep beep beep it is incredibly annoying I think we'd be much better served by some kind of micro transaction for you to purchase a song that you could use as the sound of your car running an excellent a boon to the music industry again that's losing so much money in other markets so I think they've tried it with ringtones and things like that it's time that we play put a ring on it when you're driving your electric car for example I know for a fact there are NHTSA people in the audience so if you have your rules and send us some less annoying sounds that fit the rules I bet they exist I bet you could do more of a motorish sounding noise and still meet the guidelines there's a lot of room in them but the BBC in particular was the one who said that the noise would sound like a backup noise I think that's the only part of this that bothers me I guess it bothers me a little that we're going to make cars noisier but I do understand that I myself have scared people in a hybrid before because it was in all electric mode at the time and I started creeping forward and they didn't hear it yeah no I think I definitely think beep is not the right way to go, beeping is not the right way to go but some you know just the sound of a quiet motor would be fine for some time we had a lot of skeuomorphism or it's an occasion to get futuristic you know science fiction vehicle sounds everywhere well not that but maybe like the millennium falcon for example no I want a tie fighter sound in my car maybe a little bit less loud than a tie fighter there is a max on the volume obviously and finally Bloomberg reports sources tell it Apple is considering making augmented reality glasses the product is in the exploration phase and could connect wirelessly to an iPhone Apple has apparently spoken with suppliers about the product ordering small amounts displays small amounts of displays for testing Apple has purchased several AR companies including prime sense which developed motion sensing for the Microsoft Kinect now Bloomberg has sources on this saying Bloomberg has and we're going to be talking a lot about this in just a minute Bloomberg has a good track record on finding these sorts of sources so I also think this fits the facts I absolutely believe Apple is investigating this why would they buy prime sense if they weren't so that just makes perfect sense this is a Mark German story right however I think the really interesting thing is can they pull it off right the this story says that they are what what do they say they're they're in the exploration phase exactly this is where the iPod was when they had Tony Fidel and and they said okay can we turn your software into something that is deserving of Apple and they were able to do it this is where iPhone was they had purchased some other companies and they said can we take these pieces of these companies can we make a phone and they did will they be able to do that with glasses with prime sense and the other software companies that they bought this is this is where Apple finally forget MacBook Pros I know people got all upset about that but laptops are actually commoditized there is not that much you can do with them phones very fast becoming that this is a new product that plenty of people have tried in dorky and awkward ways and have not made work and some people think could never be made work and that's exactly where Apple can step in and shine if they are still up to the snuff that everyone seems to doubt that they are still up to I'm very very skeptical I think it's been shown with you know the Google glasses Google glass I guess and even Microsoft HoloLens that it's a difficult thing to get people HoloLens has its fans but it's kind of difficult to get people to envision an actual everyday use case by the way I see you in the chat room says Apple invents glasses which I think would be amazing yeah no it fits the pattern Apple invents the phone but I really don't think we are going to see anything from this for at least a couple of years at least this is not until 2019 possibly 2020 if it ever comes to fruition it's very early still and the question is not what would Steve Jobs do as far as I'm concerned the question is not can they innovate without Steve Jobs the question is can they repeat the success Steve Jobs was an essential part of putting the limiting factors on previous products that made them successful can they still do that but also can they come up with the idea that's like oh this is what makes it usable this is what makes it different this is what makes it finally a successful type of product that people will want to buy and yeah you're right this isn't going to come out for several years if it comes out at all and it's not the only product that Apple's working on that could fit that definition but first one that caught my imagination and said the car stuff feels like almost enterprisey this feels like the kind of thing you would expect Apple to come out on stage show off and stun people because they've cracked it yeah that's the big thing are they going to crack this thing no one is really seeing as a mass market thing yet and to be honest I mean I know it's always difficult to see the thing before it actually happens but phones we all had some kind of an itch for something that was better than the phones we had digital music players as well tablets it was somewhere I think this is a little bit farther out in the yes this could be made into something we want and need maybe it's because we've been burned by Google Glass but I don't know I felt the same way about tablets when the iPad came out so I feel like it's fairly close to that but yeah it's not exactly the same every product is different very good point thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com we thank everybody for getting in there and voting okay so the election of discussion in the United States about the quality of news Google and Facebook have announced policy changes to discourage the spread of false news Google said that it will restrict ads serving on sites that misrepresent misstate or conceal information about the publisher the publishers content or the primary purpose of the web property so that's that leaves the onion out the onion says we are fake news we're not trying to pretend to be anything else and so funny places like that can still exist this is like if you're trying to deceive people we're not going to let you make money off of it so they're trying to cut off the funds Facebook also clarified that it's banned on displaying ads in sites that contain deceptive and misleading content includes these same kind of sites Gizmodo reported on Monday that Facebook nixed an update that would identify hoax stories in your newsfeed because it disproportionately impacted conservative news sources Facebook denies this they say we did not build and withhold any newsfeed changes based on their potential impact on any one political party so leaving aside the question of whether fake news had any effect on the US election or not we'll let you discuss that fair discussion topic let you discuss that in another arena we all know that we've been bitten by a story we thought was true or we've seen someone pass along a story to us that we got excited about for a moment we thought was true and then found out later that it wasn't so Patrick I think our essential question here is not just in relation to the US election but in relation to online news in general when there are millions of sources how do you make sure that what you're reading is reliable well that's that's really the big I mean even before that question just to insist on that fact again this is not about politics it's really about how the internet and the abundance of communication and sharing of communication is affecting the media and news dissemination and I think we can all agree regardless of our political leanings that having inaccurate news be passed as truthful is hurtful for society for democracy for just our general awareness of what's happening around us so this is an important question and it shouldn't be bogged down by whether or not this is politics yeah in fact I deal with it every day on in tech news I'm always have people sending me a story and including many close friends like I did you hear apples gonna do this and I have to dig in and point out like well hold on it says that one person told this blog over here that Apple might do not do that that's a whole different ballgame than Mark German at Bloomberg saying he has two sources who tell him that Apple might do something yeah so I think there are two elements in this first is how do we as people and species evolve into a mode of thinking that allows us to see and detect these kinds of things and the second element is can tech itself be made to evolve as well to help us detect these kinds of things yeah I think the first one is really important I'll let you go into the details there because you're more you know proficient in those things well it's yeah it's my job every day to figure that out and there's more than I'll have time to lay out in this the show that I think are good practices and maybe I'll take some time and put those in our weekly tech update that goes out to the patrons but in general it's paying attention to what you're reading I feel like we're in a transition period where a lot of us grew up in a world where there were only a few news sources remember Fox News isn't even that old back in the 90s you had CNN and the major broadcast networks that was pretty much it you had a daily newspaper in your hometown as far as print news went and you had a couple of radio stations but really they sort of drafted on what TV and the papers were doing so it wasn't hard to know the biases or the foibles of your news sources then nowadays everyone acts like oh well this is a news site so I'm going to trust that it is the same as you know my hometown paper was in the 1980s and it's not I see people doing this all the time well I found it on this news site I'm like what news site I just registered this domain to spreadnews.com is not a good news site so look very carefully and as Tim Vick said it's not about fake news it's just less reliable news I think reliability is the more important fake news is easy to identify if you've never heard of the site before then it's probably worth your skepticism and looking this is the easiest thing in the world look to see if anyone else reported it anyone else you recognize reported it I do this in tech news all the time somebody will send me a link and it will be like Android forever blaster.com and I'm like alright who are they linking to let's say they link to Eurogamer then all of a sudden I just go to Eurogamer I'm like okay I trust those guys let me read what they did over there if they don't link out to any once that you know Android forever site has been reliable to you a few times you start trusting it it doesn't mean that you always have to go to the one that's how you build exactly I'm not saying never pay attention to a new source I'm constantly changing my sources I curate a very small number of new sources in my RSS feeds and I drop them out over time if they become less useful usually they don't become less reliable and I add them in as I find new ones that are very useful techanasia.com is one that I added maybe a year and a half ago that I was not familiar with but over time they kept showing up with really good stuff that they got first that turned out to be true and I went with that so just look around pay attention look for another source and before you believe something that's very important to you and whether that's technology news or some other kinds of news I know this sounds like work and it is and maybe it's too much work in which case then find somebody who aggregates the news for you I know a lot of you listen to this show for exactly that reason but there are plenty of aggregators out there maybe tech meme is a good one for you I find them very reliable Google news is okay it's algorithmically generated so people can gain the system sometimes I don't trust that one as much and certainly Reddit is informative but you have to put the same skeptical eye that people share on Reddit that you do on anything else so it's up to you to curate that list but maybe if you curate your list maybe you create an RSS reader or you just have a few bookmarks places you go regularly you'll start to be able to do this without having to think so hard so all of this is really great but it's also as you said a lot of work and I think that this might be as you know it's all well and good and we're actually working towards building a program that we want to be reliable I think it's a different story when you're just browsing Facebook or googling something or on Twitter and you're just seeing what people are sharing I read the headline and it said this and actually I tweeted something a few hours ago I said we live in a headline culture I think this is really key our culture is now headlines and I think we have to train ourselves to go beyond the headline culture I'm going to repeat this until it becomes a thing and it can be traced back to this episode so we have to evolve beyond the headline culture but it's not that easy and I think technology can play a role in that there was an article in business insider which was interesting because it was basically encompassing all of the issues at once it was basically the headline was it took only 36 hours for these students to solve Facebook's fake news problem which is interesting because it was during a hackathon I believe that four students created an algorithm that was it's really clever you know it's an algorithm that determines how reliable a news item or link is depending on a number of factors you know I'm not going to get into details but it's pretty clever need on the thing is as clever as it is I'm pretty sure Facebook could have thought of this as well you know they're not idiots either and there are probably other factors that are the reasons why they didn't just implement this and and close down the entire conversation similarly Google has been accused of the same issue and I'm sure they know algorithms they could do it but it does pose the question do we need to have I don't think it would be binary I don't think we can say well if a news item is determined to be fake then it should be removed entirely from your feed for a couple of reasons first of all because it's not always just fake or not fake as you said there are levels of interpretation and of truthfulness and second of all because I do think that the the the best way of doing it is letting people decide whether or not they're doing it but helping them in that decision and a the way I look at it a sort of ranking of reliability on news items that might be controversial could be very helpful because basically having technology or whoever human curation I don't know but something that does what you are talking about just just now for you at least as a preliminary way of helping you figure it out so I do think that technology can help us there and I'll go even farther that's maybe a little bit of my opinion I think we need it I think it's the responsibility of these technology companies that are almost media companies now you know Facebook Twitter even Google they are disseminating media so I think we need help in evaluating not just how popular something is but in the case of news how reliable it is as well yeah I like this idea because the Chrome extension that those students made by the way two of them from the University of Illinois well done I don't think it's meant to be 100% like you just run this Chrome extension and you'll never see a mistaken article again it's going to have its false positives from time to time I don't think they would deny that and it's going to miss some things from time to time but a reliability scale like you're talking about I think is fantastic I think it's almost essential to say like oh this is a very reliable source this one not so much this one we don't know anything about and so you're not even saying necessarily don't believe the story you're saying if you see the green meter the 100% reliable then you don't have to have the cognitive load is easier on you you can go with that everyone pretty much agrees that you can have your opinions but the story is probably going to have accurate stuff in it likewise if it's unknown that doesn't mean it's wrong it means you should look and pay attention and do all those things we were talking about earlier to make sure what's in that story is accurate and actually true if you pass them around now there's two things one is this is all sounds like dieting to people right nobody wants to do any of this they're like no but it's more fun to just read the headline and spread it along I'm not really being serious take yourself seriously that's all I would say is yeah you may not have to like do what I do for a story every day because that's why people like me do this but don't absolve yourself of the responsibility of passing along a headline if you're going to pass it along and put your stamp on it know that your stamp carries weight with people with other people that you're talking to and I would say that it's important to know that it's not just other people I think a lot of us when we think about this and especially when we're talking about politics think well no I can always tell the fake news stories but what's going to stop those other idiots from believing it and you know what it starts with you you're only responsible for yourself is what I would say yeah I definitely agree I mean it is something where it takes a little bit on all of us and it does it's kind of you know in these times we sort of look at the society in a broader sense but I think it's not on cold four and we are the constituting elements of society and it is made up of all of us and when we change we change it that little bit further I think it's not you know it's fair that we got trapped that we are getting trapped in this fake news thing because the world and the means of communications are changing but it's also not on cold four to react to it and to react to it accurately I think also that in that drowning we're drowning in information again it is not on cold four to have something to help us in technology and if you can have that meter and you click on it and maybe it tells you it explains to you how it arrived to that conclusion about the reliability of the news story it would help everyone do that you know it's not easy to do to go diet but if you have motivations friends apps that will help you track it it makes it easier so all of this together could be beneficial to society as a whole and I think we need to think about it very seriously yeah TV got in the chat room said only you can prevent fake news which is funny but also I mean the whole reason that became smoky the bears slogan was that everyone said well I don't start forest fires why is it my problem right it was like well no someone does you know maybe you didn't start one today but your behaviors are the things that lead to forest fires and likewise you know don't don't just say well it's their problem to fix for other people you know there are things you can do to reduce the problem as well that doesn't absolve them of their responsibility and you know I'll be completely honest I've retweeted a couple of completely fake news in the past couple of weeks thankfully I have enough followers and people that told me hey dude this is like just look at that and I could have known it was fake if I had just paid attention for a couple of seconds seriously it was nothing and I didn't do it because I'm so used to it so I think it takes training it takes getting used to the way things work now and we all have to be better and me included so I'm not pointing the finger dude I used to run a fake news site that's how I got started on the web it wasn't it was a validly fake like the onion but still I always felt bad when on a couple of occasions people took my story seriously and I was like well no this is parody this is satire so yeah we can all be better about this let's finish with a message of the day from Marlin in Trinidad we were talking about music services yesterday and we've gotten some great feedback I'll probably sprinkle more of these out of the shows but Marlin said you know what is the one killer feature for me in a music service that the service is available in your country Marlin he says as a google fanboy and let me tell you every time there's an android story Marlin posts a comment that is very insightful and very much explaining how the android ecosystem works he is not just a google fanboy he is experienced in the google universe and he says that apple has been the only one who has it together and all its music services are available in more places than any other service I know I hate that I have to jump through hoops and literally break the terms of service of other services to get access to it in my country so he's like you know what apple music is my choice because here I am in Trinidad and it works there yeah it's very interesting to hear this for music we usually have decent access in France and Europe in general for video it's kind of another story and so I might have similar comments as Marlin does for those services well thank you Marlin he posted that by the way on the blog dailytechnewshow.com thank you Patrick Beja a good conversation as always my friend what else you got going on to let folks know about so if you do want to hear about politics and discussions that hopefully will be had in a reasonable and informed and agreeable manner we're going to be recording the next episode of the Phileas Club in just a few days on Friday and we will absolutely of course discuss the US election as usual in that show we'll do it in a way that is respectful and hopefully it's a good state to say neutral because I think that term is even that term is loaded but yeah respectful and insightful so go check out the Phileas Club subscribe it's available at frenchspin.com and in every good podcast app it's called the Phileas Club and by the way if you're unfamiliar with the show I was on with a liberal and a conservative Patrick earlier in the year talking about the election Patrick also has made a point of interviewing someone who is in favor of Brexit interviewing a fundamentalist Christian conservative in respectful ways to make sure 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I thought so this one's hard for me to tell because I'm so close to the topic where I'm like oh it gets so much to say because this is literally what I've done every day for more than 10 years is figure out like what are the actual stories that I can believe what are the actual facts it might have been a little bit pleady more than newsy but I think again it's not anymore this is if there was ever a time to part just a little bit from our usual sternness or this would be it and it was for a good cause I would plead with you to forgive us titles only you can prevent fake news Tom only you no one else the sound of silent cars I guess that's good news everyone slow cars good news everyone fake book news it's kind of accusatory yes it's not even implied it's not Patrick submitted we live in a headline culture I assume not Patrick also voted that one possibly jump man coming forward do electric cars driving slowly sound like sheep I like that one stop hashtag stop abuse fud phones super cheap brothers take yourself seriously all the algorithms that's fit to print actually kind of like that one who news true news was still a thing some of these feel like the categories apple events class finally potpourri shut up the tweet shut the tweet up fake news is fake faux feed don't believe that news it's fake does Mario have it I think only you can prevent fake news is pretty good if you get the reference I had to look it up I think people outside the US might not get it but it's still I'm sure people who yeah they don't have anti forest fired thingies well I'm sure they do but they don't have that specific tagline just not like a koala in Australia this is only maybe I'm I'm gonna have to leave the suspense until you publish the show I'm just gonna retire last vote before you retire for the night well outside of we live in a headline culture it would be only you can prevent fake news but I do think that headline culture should really become a thing I think it's brilliant yeah no it's the successor don't sound like culture right oh yeah exactly you know the sad thing is typically the headlines aren't written by the writer who writes I was in charge of writing headlines at sea that I you can tell there's a lot of puns not that many puns was it all right you guys enjoy your day all right thanks Patrick feel better thanks bye guys bye that's how you track down you can't leave a pun unuttered like if you're on the run they would just have to use a bullhorn and say something you would have to pun it quick come up with the title let's see if we'll make a pun uh yeah what do you think should we do only you can prevent fake news I like that one I think it's a bit straight to the point and it's it's the popular one on showbots wow showbot reminder barely had it out of my mouth showbot reminder was declaring it the winner it's better than CNN I know wasn't New Hampshire just called for Clinton today like the the the total I don't know if I finished counting everything have they have they actually I haven't seen anything for for New Hampshire they did no no for the for the entire I don't know for those to be counting for a while yeah well at least you were right W. Scott is one's like oh I triggered showbot reminder a little premature sorry I thought you guys had decided and uh like well we did decide the way so maybe you just you were prescient you weren't wrong do do Tom Merritt and Veronica Belmont no Tom Merritt and Patrick Beja more like only you can prevent forest fires oh tinvec I know good news everyone is pretty awesome I think I've left to my own devices that might have been the way I went but this one's good too no Futurama you know what I have I like Futurama I've never been like super hardcore fan of Futurama I well I mean I always hesitate to call myself a hardcore fan of every anything because there will always be somebody's like oh well can you name the his dog in episode 7 I'm like no I can't but I have a great love of Futurama you remember the name of the dog from Petticoat Junction no neither can I they used to bother me fry what was fry's dog's name I actually don't remember I said you have a dog yeah that's the whole reason that he ended up getting sent to the future is he was chasing after the dog just remember I'm not a fan of the show like I watch it and I enjoy the show no wait no he was delivering the pizza yeah he was delivering a pizza but the dog waited for him outside the the pizza place see more asses is that the name yeah that's the name oh nice see more see more butts no that's a different dog that's the title of the book under the bleachers the name of the dog in Petticoat Junction was either dog or boy they just called the dog dog I had a friend whose cat was named cat cat was commissioner of our fantasy baseball league for a short period of time his dog was named pooch slightly more inventive pooch was the commissioner for a long time until jango took over she really changed it up in fact our fantasy leagues trophy is named the pooch trophy after pooch the dog you sure pooched that one no no no don't do it why why jango spelled J-A-N-G-O after jango Fett not after jango Reinhardt because jango was also donated her DNA to an army of clones yes that's their plan she will we will build an army of dog clones and she will give rise to the umpa uh no we've joked about cloning jango but I don't think we'll we should totally clone jango and name the dog boba shouldn't we boba jango fetch yes exactly almost there almost done well chat room I hope you enjoyed the discussion today I will definitely be turning my notes for this episode into a post on the patreon maybe I'll even do a tech republic top 5 about it if you haven't checked out tech republic uh started post a new top 5s from me hosted by me um written by me shot and produced by uh go theater monkey and uh edited by someone at tech republic who they have not actually told me the name of yet yeah I'm exactly and no choice but the name of clone of jango boba it's fairly true alright upload this bad boy I gotta go to the grocery store groceries groceries guess that tax passed up here the sugar tax so does uh tax on so does it's pretty much like a penny I mean perhaps I think I guess I don't know well supposedly works at least according to works yeah I mean a lot of it was based a lot of soda so I'm kind of the wrong person to say because it's not going to affect me also I don't live there so there's no reason well they based it on the experience in Berkeley but also in mexico where they instituted what about new york I mean I know the new york lobby threw in a ton of money to the camp yeah but he did it on a specific size like supersized I don't remember was it was it based on actual sugar sugar I don't know I thought it was just some soda like quantity sized like if you bought like a big gulp or something you would be charged for see you're about to put out fake news Roger but not really knowing but saying things sorry although I do will qualify I did not say that this was news or anyway that's that's where people get in trouble is like no I'm pretty sure well my friend said he's pretty sure well but I do I do know the one from mexico was considered a success because they managed to reduce the amount of consumption of sodas I guess I guess really the biggest test is really long term if you see a market reduction in obesity and diabetes related diabetes it's so funny because he flogged oatmeal with sugar I guess that's good no the Quaker Oats doesn't have sugar there are oatmeal with sugar but not the one I'm thinking of the Quaker Oats instant like the cream like the ones we had in the tech TV kitchen had sugar in them but those were Quaker Oats but they weren't the ones he advertised the one with the Quaker on it was designed to invoke the theme of a silo prettyness that's a joke I'm literally throwing a silo but grain silo you mean the packaging for Quaker Oats is just a cylinder not all cylinders are silos Roger when the world sees cylinders as silos then something will happen for the farms is probably a saying somewhere if all you have is silos then everything looks like grain we're gonna miss the silo whatever it is I think I see it's a Quaker Oats cylinder to me I mean it is full of grain I'll give you that I have a feeling we're gonna get emails about this episode that's good when you say it's their responsibility to do things and I tried to make the point maybe I didn't make it firmly enough we'll see that we're not saying that it's also not the responsibility of Facebook and Twitter and others to you know foster a system that encourages accuracy and I think Patrick hopefully made that I mean I understood of course I'm also one of those people that people oh you're just one of those people I mean really which is don't uncritically consume things say it again I'm sorry if you boil it down uncritically uncritically consume things oh my gosh how many times have we talked about that on East meets West right well considering our narrow no I'm not saying that we've had an effect at any stretch but yeah it's something we've been talking about for a long time just write me in this present I will not I will have as many worthy people to fill cabinet levels there's any of them alright thanks everybody for watching and listening we'll be back tomorrow with Mr. Scott Johnson and I will talk to you then