 What's going on guys? It's Pat Daly with truetransient.com coming at you today from Warsaw, Poland. Today I'm bringing you an interview with a very special guest, Anthony Dream Johnson. Anthony is the founder of the 21 convention. He started it when he was 17 and since then it's been held on three continents throughout the world. It's the men's conference of the century. Me and Anthony sat down here in Warsaw and we had a chat about his conference about travel, adventure, masculinity, femininity, Poland, how it's different from the West and I'm very excited to bring it to you today. So let's go ahead and roll that interview. Boom! All right. It's a brisk one out. All right, we rolling, we good? What's going on guys? It's Pat Daly from truetransient.com. We are out here today in Warsaw, Poland. Amazing time. It's a little, it's a little cold. We got some caffeine. We're getting cracking and I'm here with Anthony the dream or Anthony Dream Johnson. What's up man? Yeah, glad to have you. Glad to have you. Glad to be out here too man. For sure. We've been having a good time. Really good time. Yeah, this has been an epic out here. Yeah, so we're here in Poland. Anthony Dream Johnson is the founder of the 21 convention. Do you want to explain to our people here what the 21 convention is? Yeah, so I'm the founder of 21 convention and 21 studios and a couple of the things related to that like 21 university. I started it when I was 17 years old, about 12 years ago, 12 and a half now. Cool. Yeah, I stuck with girls. I found the pickup community and a few months after finding it, I had the idea when I got to Orlando, UCF, to do like a meetup group for young men my age that were in the pickup community so we could learn from each other. That quickly spawned into an entire convention, you know, people throwing ideas at me. Film team, volunteer film team, audio team, we had speakers come out, famous pickup coaches, dating coaches, shit like that. Right, and now you've been to many different countries with the 21 convention. What, Sweden, London? Yeah, we've done the convention in three continents, four countries in two states, including Texas and Florida, and all over Florida, Tampa, Orlando, Miami, Austin, Texas, Melbourne, Australia, Stockholm, Sweden, twice in London, and soon in more South Poland. We've done the convention 15 times around the world and the biggest one we had was a few months ago that you had to attend and that was in October 2018. Okay. I call it lately the Woodstock of the Manusphere. Okay, right. Fuck yeah. And the topics covered essentially are what? Entrepreneurship, dating, relationships, philosophy, culture. I call it the world's ultimate event for men because it's very, and one of the reasons I call it that is it's very comprehensive. It's deep, it's philosophic, it's serious shit, and it's comprehensive so it's across the board for men and masculinity. So entrepreneurship, business, career, dating, relationships, marriage, family, health and fitness, and then kind of oddball things to all bring in. We had, for example, in 2017 at the 10-year anniversary, we had an FBI agent come in, ex-FBI, Joe Navarro, body language expert, famous dude. Yeah, yeah. So we have all kinds of really psychologists, medical doctors, dating coaches, like it's wild and authors and all kinds of stuff. Awesome. So yeah, we're out here in Warsaw, Poland. The convention is coming to Warsaw, Poland. Yeah. And when is that going to happen? That's going to be in July. We're here right now, of course, you know, torn venues, hotels, picking the exact date, exact location, but it'll definitely mean Warsaw, definitely will be in July, 2019. Cool. First time in Eastern Europe, Central Europe, and first time back in Europe with the convention since 2012, so it's been a while. Awesome. Focus on America and shit in the meantime. Great. Cool. So yeah, I wanted to have Anthony Johnson on the show today. We've had a bunch of travel experiences, myself traveling around the world in some crazy situations, alternative forms of travel, hitchhiking in the United States, canoeing, attempting to canoe to Mexico from New York City, but making it to Georgia, canoeing 800 miles down the east coast. We wanted to kind of talk about those travel adventures a little bit and also Anthony here, what he's doing with the convention and his philosophies. Anthony is probably one of the most raw, savage, like non-politically correct guys. You can tell by his hat that people are probably like, what is this hat? We'll get to the hat. Okay. I kind of want to leave that. But Anthony is like not politically correct at all. He has a mission and he goes full bore towards that mission, something that I really admire in him. He's a high risk guy. We talked about, you know, the other day, we talked about how you like to go after high risk situations. I appreciate that too, from a guy who canude 800 miles. Almost died and shit. And I want to mention to you, I've done a lot of traveling like you, but it's mostly been for business, some personal, mostly for business though. So it's kind of a different perspective on traveling than you've had, which has been much more personal, like really alternative, like you said, hitchhiking. I haven't done that kind of shit, but I have traveled to Australia, to Indonesia, to Europe, many times now, South America, Central America. So I've done a lot of traveling too. And it's kind of cool, I think that we've both done that in different ways. Yeah, I often say it's, adventure is a great rite of passage. I think every man, every young man should do a solo travel adventure. And that's what a lot of the content on my channel, although I haven't posted in a while, is kind of centered around of, you know, it was my coming of age story really unfolding. And solo travel was how I did that. Solo travel, alternative forms of travel were how I did that. And it really kind of changed me. I think a lot of men today are missing. They're just lost and confused. Yeah, and real, real travel, I think an adventure is a way to do that. A lot of people travel and it's like it's Instagram, fake bullshit. It's like it's signaling, it's virtual signaling or travel signaling or some shit. But I've done something similar with, my adventure has been in traveling in part, but then also primarily in business. And that didn't coincide with traveling pretty well, you know, running around the world. Adventure is a really good way to put it too. Travel sounds little, it's really adventurous with the point. Yeah. That's when you know it's genuine, it's raw, it's like, you know, cool-out shit. Right, exactly. I've done some personal shit too though, like in Panama, I got, or Costa Rica, I got lost on the side of a volcano for like a whole day. Okay. I got really dangerous shit. Maybe not as dangerous as canoeing, 800 miles, but yeah, it was pretty, pretty serious shit we could have died. For sure. Yeah, that's when, I've heard someone said adventure is what starts to happen when everything goes wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's, there's so many people do travel and they go on tours, guided tours and cruise ships and shit. I wanted to head out and not have a guided tour, you know. Exactly. Be my own guide and then let things happen to me, me reacting to events in that moment. And that's what you do with business essentially. Yeah, pretty much. I think, I think that can be a great replacement, you know, for adventure. It's kind of the same, a substitute, it's the same thing. I see the business in part as my own adventure. Right. That's just the form for me it's taken. I think everyone needs to have a right of passage, you know. And traveling or adventure is one way to do that, or business. Something that's going to be, that's going to challenge you to the core. Right. And probably be pretty fucking risky. How that'll, you know, map out in real life is, you know, it's going to differ. But yeah, it's got to be raw and you need to write a passage. Which historically for men, you know, that did have, we did have that. That was normal in most cultures for like thousands of years. It's only recently that it's gone away and stuff. Yeah, okay. We're both from Florida, so we're both like freezing, especially me. Yeah, I'm like shaking right now. Yeah. Yeah, it's like one degree Celsius or something, zero degrees or something like that. Oh, but uh, cool. So why, why do you feel that you started the 21 convention at 17, right? Yeah. And now how old are you? I'm 30 now. Okay. And it's kind of snowballed. It started as a pickup thing for men. And then it snowballed into something way bigger, hundreds of attendees. Even at the first convention, it was, it's always, you know, the beginning it was mostly about picking up women like that element. Well, let me say this, people do characterize it. It's not wrong to say it was about pickup. But in my head, it was always more fundamental. It was about men and women and male-female relationships specifically. And that took the form early on of like picking up women. But even then like relationships got a little bit of play and fitness too at the first convention. There was a fitness talk, fitness and like style. Cool. You know, 2007. So it's always been a little bit comprehensive and then the comprehensive angle that snowballed over time along with many other things like the locations. Right. More locations we did, the more comprehensive the conference got, more speakers we had, more diversity of real diversity of thought, not just fake diversity bullshit you see now on the internet and stuff. Cool. So yeah, it's essentially a place where men can go and talk about issues that only men can understand, right? In a certain sense. It's a male space. A lot of people won't like what I just said there. That like men can only talk about certain things and they can understand. Right? Like you could talk to a woman about something that you're going through or whatever. But and then vice versa. It's going to be hard for you guys to relate to a certain degree because you're not. Yeah. It's the same gender, right? Yeah. I mean being, you know, what sex you are is fundamental to your entire life as a human being. And I think that's why that's why the convention in part is designed the way it is. It's an entire conference of mansplaining. Usually not to women and usually to ourselves but it's all men talking. Right. And men getting together and talking about man's shit. Cool. And there's a woman there too a little bit. My sister comes a lot. She's known to be there a lot. Wives and girlfriends, you know people like that. Say women are welcome in that specific component but 99% of it is men. And there's no apology for men being there and talking amongst each other. Very masculine shit. When you have that kind of environment I think you get a very special unique kind of conversation going. Like kind of locker room stuff, you know? And a locker room where there's just men, you know, it's a little different than if there's like a camera rolling or if there's like women involved and shit. Yeah. It's still a locker room talk, you know? So it's the 20 convention is locker room talk. It is the ultimate locker room talk. Right, that's great. But then we film it and put that out. By the way, so all the videos are free to the world. Or eventually they go free to the world. So they're famous on YouTube, 21 Studios. We're about to crack 200,000 subscribers in a few days. Wow. That's exciting. It's been 11 years in the making. Millions of views. Millions and millions of views. Okay. Wow. And those videos are free, the speeches. We put out our previews, put the full videos out. We have podcasts, interviews, all kinds of shit. Maybe, yeah. Maybe we can address the elephant in the room, the hat. The make women great again. And then we can pop into Poland and stuff. Because I'm sure a lot of people are wondering what the hat is about. What does that mean? And a lot of people are probably triggered by it. Like make women great again. You know, aren't women already great? Like what is that? So if you want to tell us what make women great again means to you. Yeah, it means a lot. It's something that I actually was introduced to me by one of our speakers, Richard Nicolai, you know, a few months ago back in, what was it, October 2018? Maybe late September. So he had a hat similar to this. He posted on Facebook. And I just loved it immediately for like a thousand different reasons. So we'll get through it. One of the biggest ones I started, I've used it now, of course, and building an entire convention with it. Well, it's a subtitle. It's a theme, you know, like a focus and like an atmosphere and everything like a mission. And that's going to be the 22 convention instead of the 21 convention. That 22 convention idea I had back in 2015, it's a long time ago. But I wanted to wait to put it together because I knew I was lacking like this. I was lacking that mission. I was lacking that fundamental like direction I needed to take, conference of women. So I knew I would do it someday. I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do it. But then I saw this and I was like, oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it came together pretty fast. I put it on. I introduced this hat to the world on my speech. We need to make women great again. At the 21 convention 2018. Yeah. People gave it roaring applause. One of the wives of the speakers ran out and was the first person ever by it. So a woman actually bought it before the men did. The men loved it too. Yeah. They were going apeshit. They were walking around later at night at the party we had at socks house. They were like, my God, my God, my God. Yeah, it makes us agree. This is taking off. Okay. Awesome. To me, fundamentally, though, independent of the 22 convention coming spring 2020 in Orlando, Florida, ladies get your tickets. Yeah. Yeah. And so yeah, it's a conference of women we're doing. By the way, all the speakers are men of that too. So that's going to be the ultimate mansplaining event. The ultimate mansplaining event. The mansplaining event of the century. Okay. It's actually we're talking titling about basically. Very triggering. Very triggering. So I see this as the cultural component to MAGA. Obviously to play off, you know, make America great again. Donald Trump made that famous. Also said by Reagan and other presidents too. But this is the cultural component to a political. I see that as a political revolution going on. And I'm very happy to see it. I'm very pro-Trump, obviously. And this to me is a cultural, you know, generic component to it. I think women in America, not just America in the West, so Canada, Australia, you know, Western Europe, they've really fallen. And men have fallen too. So people say, you know, why do you want to make men great again? I'm like, I do. I've been doing that for 12 years. Right. And now you're moving on. Yeah, yeah. And on top of that, you know, independent of my company, my company and organization that I've built, the number one media organization in the hemisphere, in my opinion, that's just part of a larger movement called the Manisphere that has millions of men in it. That's the pickup community. And it has, you know, sub-tribes, sub-groups. It's got the Red Pill community. The McTows are famous on YouTube. They're really all over the place, right? You have the Men's Rect activists have their own little tribe going on. Then you have, of course, the PUA community, famous from the VH1 show, the book, the game, all that. Okay. And people have different opinions on these little movements, but the Manisphere is huge. And I think the Manisphere has been very positive for men. I have different opinions on each group, but it's been very positive for men. And it's helped healing, you know, the brainwashing and the blue pill lies and the feminist propaganda that men have received, especially millennials, their whole life. Yeah. You grew up hearing all this Disney, you know, blue pill bullshit that makes you horrible with women and fucks your life up, and yet I'm getting divorce rape and all that shit. Okay. Or, you know, you suck with girls. There's a thousand outcomes of that, right? And you're throwing out a lot of terms. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That probably not a lot of people will know, but what's cool is that the 21 Convention, 21 Studios, their content talks all about this stuff, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If there's anything that you find interesting, go over to 21 Convention YouTube channel and you can learn all about this stuff if it piques your interest. And subscribe. And subscribe. Like and subscribe. Comment. Hell yeah. Cool, so. This is really important to me, Maga, or yeah, Maga and especially Moga. Okay. Make women great again. I really think that women have fallen, and they've fallen, I think, a little bit harder and farther than men. They're really lost. So, men and women both are lost in the West today. Yeah. So, I take, and that's, and men have been partly responsible for that, right? We've enabled feminism and all this, I think, which I think is a really toxic, hateful movement to really fester into this, like, noxious, huge snowball of shit. And that's hurting men and women and families and the country and the future of the world we live in. And I don't like that. I want to change that. I want to stop it. Make things better and make a better future. Future is masculine. So, make women great again. I think it's the ultimate, it's the ultimate thing. One of the ultimate things I've done, I think, in my life is put this together and I put that conference together. I'm, like, excited for it, the 22 convention. And we need to help. Women need help. They need leadership. They look to men for that. And this is us doing that. And that's part of why we're in Poland too. This is, I've been stunned being here seeing the women here and how they operate. I think it's a great example of what this can do for women. Right. Let's talk about Poland here. We're both out in Poland. I work with Anthony. He's one of my clients for video production and everything. So, we're out here doing some work in Poland. And it's been quite a eye-opening experience. How have you seen Poland being different from the United States? I don't even know where to begin or stop. Yeah, I mean, it's not completely different. It's a Western... Well, it's central Eastern Europe, but it feels like a Western nation. I believe they do consider themselves like a Western nation, right? It's very first world developed. It's fucking beautiful. I love it. I'm just stunned. We've been here almost a week now, like six days, I think. And it's unbelievable. The people, the culture... Just, it's very fundamental. Like, on a day-to-day basis, I've never seen anything like this, too. I've traveled over 20 countries, you know, Panama, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Australia, Indonesia, Sweden, you know, all over the Europe and stuff, Germany, Amsterdam. And I've never seen anything like this. I'm fucking floored. Yeah. Like, this is awesome. So, in terms of... Yeah. I guess male-female relationships or something. How is that? Basically, I think men and women in the West and in America, particularly in America, I think it's probably the worst. You know, there's a couple of reasons we get into for that. But men and women don't get along. Like, there's basically... Like, the role of Tomassi, one of our speakers, is, you know, focusing on what he calls a gender war. He's hashtagging it and talking about it. It's a big theme, what he's focusing on, is an author and a blogger. And he's right. There's like a gender war. And you see that expressed in like the Me Too stuff, the Brett Kavanaugh stuff. I mean, the thousand different things in America right now in culture. And here, you don't feel that. There's not this like underlying, like hateful, like, you know, tension and resentment for one another. Women get along with men. And men get along with women. Women here act like women, in my opinion. Men here act like men. The men are tough. They're fucking masculine. Yeah. There's very little, like, weak soy boys shit going on. That's what I've realized is... Yeah. Being... Living in a place like Vietnam, Southeast Asia. Where I'm physically superior to most people living there. I'm taller. I'm a little bigger. Everything like that. Versus Poland, where it's actually flipped on its head. The guys are pretty tall, pretty big, and they're tough. And so I went to Chad's last night. A thousand of them in the club. Chad's everywhere, man. I was getting a burger last night at a food truck. And I'm waiting in line. And then all these dudes just keep coming up and butting me in line. Ordering burgers. And I'm just like, what is going on here? I didn't know what to do. I was like, what the heck? Yeah. The men here are very aggressive too. Right. Yeah. It's cool though. Like, they're not... They're not... I'm totally fine with it. Yeah. Like, they... It's an honest aggression. If you fuck up or do something with a trick or theirs, they'll get in your face. Right. They're not gonna throw it out immediately, but they will if they have to. Right. And we've seen fights in every night. Almost every night we go out and see a fight. And it's not gonna be, like, unwarranted is what you're saying, for the most part. At least it's what we've seen. It's legit. Yeah. It's, you know, men being men. And you don't see that as much in America. Also, like, liability, like lawsuit shit here. They'll fucking end the fight. Yeah. And I don't see any weapons. I don't see any guns going on. It's just dudes fighting sometimes. Right. It's kind of cool. Right. So then the men are different in that way, more tougher, more physically... Physically intimidating in some sense. And they're not confused. They know how to act like men. They're not apologetic about it. It's hard to imagine men here apologizing for their own toxic masculinity. They go, fuck yourself. Right. And just keep walking. Yeah. They're just like, Yeah. I'm me. I'm a man. You know, there's no confusion, right? I am who I am. I'm gonna express myself as a man and you get the fuck out of my way. Thanks for coming to polls. So that, I often see that women and men will kind of react to each other and how they act, right? Yeah. Like, so... They're polarized, too. Right. So that changes women. How do you see that? Well, to me it's just the, it's the mirror image in a positive sense. It's almost the same for women here. They're not apologetic about being women. Or as in America, you know, women are confused. They don't know how to act like a woman. They don't know how to be feminine and graceful and beautiful. Here, there's a good sense of that. And they don't, you know, they're not trying to act like men. They don't want to. They want to act like women. As a result, they're not, you know, bitchy and annoying and disgruntled or frustrated with their sex life or dating life. They're just women acting like women and they're happy. They're cheerful. It's amazing, man. Yeah, everyone seems pretty content and secure with themselves here. Yeah. We were just talking about women changing their look a lot in the United States, dyeing their hair and everything. The girls are kind of just proud of how they naturally exactly look and their femininity. I see them wearing dresses and kind of... It's everything. The way they walk, the way they talk, they're proud to be Polish. They're proud to be women. They're happy. They want to all have babies here and stuff. We were, you know, torn hotel to the day for the conference. And there was a whole convention going on for her like how to, you know, getting pregnant and stuff. These women are just super excited to have babies and make families. And there's totally focused on it. I mean, not all of them, literally, but a lot of them. It's very traditional in a sense. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. I'm fucking... I'm in love with this place. Yeah, yeah. Best country I've ever seen outside of America. Cool. Like, I think, you know, I love America, but Western culture's kind of sick. It's got kind of got a little got a little flu going on, a little cold. Yeah. Okay. We'll just cut that then. This culture, though, is like healthy, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So you... American culture is kind of sick if you want to span on that. Like, what... Yeah. I know men and... And the reason this matters to me is that when I started YouTube, and I know you definitely get this times 10, I got a lot of young men, specifically young men, reaching out to me and being like, praising my videos like, hey, I watch this one video and I decided not to commit suicide, like crazy stuff like that. Even asking me questions of like, making life decisions. Big questions they would ask me and I'm like, damn, some guy in Asia... Canoe guy. I just canoe. I just like happen to bring canoe. Yeah, yeah. So, I know you get that a lot and that opened my eyes. That opened my eyes. I think a lot of creators see that, that are men. And behind every guy that asked you that kind of question, there's 10 more that didn't ask it. Exactly. But they thought it and they had it. Because you impact them in basically the same way or similar. And a lot of people don't know that suicide rates for men are increasing. Yeah, they're huge. People don't see the problem. Yeah, yeah. They don't even want to know about it. They don't want to care. They don't put their head in the sand. Men kill themselves like four to five times the rate women do. And they say, can we succeed at it? Women have a lot of attempted to decide, but men really do kill themselves. It's crazy. It's fucked up. It's a huge problem. No one talks about it. Right. So that, I guess that's a symptom of American Western culture. Yeah. Would you say it's sick? What are kind of some other symptoms, I guess? First, you know, I love America with a deep passion. Right. I'm a writer fucking die. I live for you. I die 100 percent. Right. But you know, I'd say America, it's not just America. It's the West. It's Canada too. It's Australia. It's the UK. It's all that shit. Yeah. It's got a little flu. It's got a little cold. And it's had it for a while. And then cold is called feminism, basically. Yeah. There's more to it than that. But yeah, big one. Right. And so, yeah, the culture of men and women don't get along. It's just fucked up. I've never seen, I've been out picking up women approaching women since 2006, 2005. 2005, 2006. And things are getting worse. Like the way dating operates, the way men and women interact, all kinds of statistics with divorce and relationships and fidelity, all this shit. It's just fucked up. And here in Poland, if we don't see that. So I'd say, you know, culture is sick. There's a gender war going on. It's not good. It's not healthy. It's going to change. It's got to change. And in Poland, you know, I see Poland as a healthy culture. It's one of the first things I said when I got here. I tweeted it on my Twitter account at Beach Muscles. Yeah. And it really is. Like American culture, as much as I love it, there's a big problems with it. Poland's not perfect either. I'm not naive about that. I'm not stupid. This place has got, I guess I have a lot of trauma. Trauma, you know, bad history or two. They were invaded by the Nazis and the Russians and Soviets and shit. They got all fucked up. But now it's been free of Soviet control for, you know, decades. And it's a very healthy culture. Healthy people. They're proud to be Polish. They love their country. They love men and women get along. It's amazing to see it. We walk around the city. We see babies and toddlers and families and shit all the time. Yeah. And the kids are so well behaved. I've never seen children this well behaved in my life. Yeah. It is unreal. People are just content. They're not like fake happy. Like where it's like put on a smile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. How are you doing? I'm good. Yeah. I feel like shit, you know. They're just, I was telling you. I went to, I was at like a 7-Eleven equivalent store here. Zabka. Zabka. And I was buying something that was two's lota and I paid with a bigger bill. Yeah. I was trying to and the cashier looked at me and I presented the bill. He's like, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh shit. Like they're just real here. Yeah, they're real. I was like, okay, I'll use my card. These are all honest people. Right. As good as you're gonna get. You know, it's, you have to go watch it off for bullshit. These are honest people, I'd say. And it's, there's a health to that. Yeah, totally, totally, yeah. Yeah. But I say, I'm an objectivist philosophically, like my religion. And in the objectivism we say that existence exists and only existence exists. And that's why honesty is important. There's only reality and that's it. There is no like non-reality. It either exists or it fucking doesn't. So that's to me why honesty is important on a philosophic personal level. And I see that expressed here in this country and that's part of, big part of the reason I think they're very healthy. That's why they have families and they're happy and the women, the women are happy to be happy or happy to be women. The men are happy to be men. Right. And it's just beautiful to see it, man. All around us, like all the time. And it's a balance. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. It's a polarized balance. It works really well. Cool, man. So appreciate you chatting and telling us about your philosophies and the training and prevention and the good work that you're doing to make men great. You've been doing that positive media for men. Yeah. And then moving on to women. Yeah. And changing the world. Fuck yeah. Hell yeah. So I appreciate being on the channel, too, man. Huge fan of Two Transient. Yeah. Great fucking channel. Yeah. So you can find Anthony Dream Johnson and all the speakers, all the keynote speeches and great work that he's doing at the 21convention.org. That's .org. There'll be a link under the description, too, right? In the video. Yeah. Yep. So great. And then youtube.com slash 21 for the YouTube stuff. So cool. And my Instagram is in all that. It's all beach muscles. OK. So anywhere on the internet, you want to find me just type beach muscles. Beach muscles. So pull me up. Yeah. Awesome. Oh, yeah. Cool. All right, man. Thanks, man. Fuck yeah. Awesome.