 how are you good sir? Hey what's going on Chris I'm doing well how are you guys doing? Yes surviving all the madness I guess you could say. Yeah I agree I agree it's been going on for some time now just just on to the next one. Well I thought we'd do this as a sort of global Veterans Alliance podcast because this serious seriously is a freedom issue and I think I think a lot of people might be focusing on Ukraine but this same scenario has just been played out and played out and played out and constructed and fabricated and played out and how fair is that on our generator well all generations but our generation have never known life without these fabricated wars in which in which not only the people that that die in their millions are victims of it but also those of us that we just want a happy life and right but by happy I mean we want to be I don't know in tune with the nature we want to have good relationship with our family and our friends we want to get along with all human beings because you know we share a planet and we're all kind of made at the same stuff believe it or not and this chance to live a harmonious or to live in harmony with the environment and to fulfill our potential as human beings it's been stolen from us by these everyone's gonna have their different take on it but let's just say these corporate trillionaires who clearly have an agenda because you see it played out again and again once you become right once you become aware of it it's kind of hard not to see so thank you for joining me Major Eric Gums formerly United States Marine Corps Eric seen combat himself and Eric's join me today so we can try to put some sense or as much sense as we can as to what is going on in Ukraine surrounding Ukraine with respect to the the history of the country and the multitude of factors that are involved in understanding what essentially is going on there so yes Eric over to you yeah so it's it's really a very deep complex long running history with you know I can kind of start by explaining it between US and Russian foreign relations so I guess I'll start off with a real quick little known fact right before the fall of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev sent a letter in 1986 to our then president Ronald Reagan and they had been having talks they talked at Geneva and then they started holding discussions in Reykjavik as well but the final letter that Mikhail Gorbachev sent to president Ronald Reagan was a call a legitimate honest call for the complete and total nuclear disarmament of both the United States and Russia by the year 2000 that was offered that was offered and our president turned it down it was probably one of the greatest offerings of peace and something that would have absolutely benefited all of humanity and we we kind of failed on that and if you follow fast forward another decade or so to the Clinton presidency because you know Vladimir Putin he's been you know president president of Russia for going on almost 30 years now I believe something like that and Putin himself in a press conference described a meeting he had with president Bill Clinton and keep in mind the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 and and you know us in the west we're NATO and the entire purpose of NATO was to counter the Warsaw Pact which is the Soviet Union and their satellite governments right so you fast forward to the Clinton presidency and a discussion took place between Vladimir Putin and and Bill Clinton and Putin flat out asked him you know what do you think of Russia joining NATO flat out just asked him said what do you think about Russia joining NATO and as Putin described he was basically got a very hesitant reaction from him and essentially that that that thought was was turned away and turned down more than likely in Putin's own words he said basically I guess the United States still needs somebody to fight and even some of our own general said well the Soviet Union is gone America needs a new enemy I think it was Colin Powell who said that right and so you look at the current tensions in the Ukraine and this is something that's been going on for about 15 years now as well because Ukraine is is a partner NATO nation so they're not a full member of NATO they're a partner nation and so they have been kind of in this discussion for around over a decade let's call it over a decade where they're saying hey you know we're thinking about joining NATO now as Chris you mentioned before we've seen this situation play out before so what does that do for Russia Putin himself has publicly for over a decade said you know this is my line in the sand this is the red line you shall not cross because if you make them a NATO country and you start installing your militaries and your weapons you know and obviously with NATO membership there comes the possibility of you know the installation of nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles military bases all that kind of stuff and they were literally right next to to Russia and I say that because I want to draw a parallel to a a little further back episode of American history and and this is during Kennedy's presidency in the 1960s so in the 1960s the United States had the Cuban Missile Crisis where the communist revolution took over in Cuba and Cuba is less than a hundred miles off the Florida coast right they sit right off the United States and the Russians they were building up you know nuclear missiles infrastructure and the United States got intelligence saying that the Soviet Union had a naval a naval convoy that was transporting nuclear missiles to be installed off the coast of the United States you know and so Kennedy's reaction was you know fire up the military we've got to we've got to put a military blockade out there so the United States Navy went out there we did a naval blockade and at the last minutes the Russians turned away and you know nuclear war was averted and so you know you have all these people out there right now pointing the finger at Putin for being aggressive and all that kind of stuff but you forget your own history because how did the United States react when you had a foreign aggressive force trying to deploy you know military material that could potentially strike the United States right off our own coast while we reacted with deploying our military right and then we had a failed coup attempt with the Bay of Pigs invasion where we used Cuban nationals to try and overthrow Fidel Castro as well my dad was actually a part of that so I'm pretty well versed in this so I think it's it's good to discuss both perspectives but in order to discuss those perspectives from a NATO perspective or a Russian perspective you need to have a historical context because it's not that simple no exactly Eric and what I'm going to do is I'm going to sort of be playing a bit of devil's advocate here for the simple reason there's so many different angles and areas that could otherwise be glossed over and I'll also try and highlight some of the history because some of our younger viewers won't be aware so you just mentioned the Cuban missile crisis which was a incredibly fame notorious incident in nuclear history it was almost was it like one of the close calls to nuclear war I think I think you could say yeah and also when we're talking about the Bill Clinton's of this world etc etc clearly puppets of a higher agenda so we mustn't put too much weight on what a president says and doesn't say because it's of it's obviously not coming from them as an individual they're the like I say they're the sort of puppet for something something much bigger aren't they right and Ukraine's I mean it's got a fascinating history in itself I've spent a couple of days just literally just researching Ukraine's history and it's it's no surprise it's pretty vast yeah it throws up some interesting points I guess what we're essentially looking at now is after the breakup of the Soviet Union so 1991 when Ukraine became an independent country I'll say that hesitantly because it's it's it's almost unsure at times through history what what Ukraine actually actually is right so 1991 Berlin Wall came down end of the Soviet Union Russia became Russia Ukraine had its independence and from then on do you think that the people of Ukraine Eric automatically made an attachment to the European Union in the years to follow because they saw it as the the anti as it were to the iron curtain like the free West yeah well that that's that that question is also has a complex answer because it depends on what area of Ukraine you're talking about so for example the Donetsk region in eastern Ukraine is hugely pro-Russia the absolute majority of the people who live there are very very very much pro- Russia and have been it historically and so basically something else that the media is not talking about there there's something that happened in the year 2014 in Ukraine called the Orange Revolution and the Orange Revolution basically installed new political leadership which gives us president Zelensky who is now the president of Ukraine today and essentially he got rid of all of his political opposition and essentially his political opposition was pro-Russian right so for the better part of eight years he removed media outlets that were you know putting out anything against him and imprisoned and imprisoned all of his you know essentially his political opposition which has then also led to a kind of low intensity conflict slash civil war in Ukraine between basically Western Ukraine and Zelensky's government who are pro-NATO and the eastern part of Ukraine which is pro-Russia and so you have these this war that that's basically been going on and violence that that has essentially been going on for eight years right now because the country is split on which direction they want to go and so that in itself is is another complexity to this issue where it's not just so cut and dry yes the government wants right now to join NATO but the people are are really kind of split and you've seen videos over the last few days where the Russians came in and through Donetsk region and you know they they see the Russians that the people in that region of Ukraine see the Russians as liberators because they're they're getting what they want they wanted to be a part of Russia and also Vladimir Putin then also signed a treaty recognizing Donetsk region's sovereignty as well which is interesting you know so yeah it's some some crazy stuff yeah I mean gosh where do we even start it's I mean geographically Ukraine really is sandwiched between east and west and right depending on your age I'm guessing is how much influence the for example the evils of communism how much that affects our judgment of this issue because right for the uninitiated it could be tempting to gravitate towards the EU situation couldn't it you know as as I don't know like the free west whereas when you look at Ukraine it had a open trade agreement with Russia right so logic or common sense would say that they weren't in a bad position as they were and attempting to join the EU my understanding is they were stalled quite somewhat the the demands the EU were placing on Ukraine meant it wasn't just a simple case of signing up right it delayed the process and so the actual government at the time put it on hold right Putin said look we don't mind you I don't know how true this is obviously because I don't know his mind but he said that we don't mind Ukraine joining the EU if that's their their choice but we don't want to do it at the expense of us because we have an open trade agreement with Ukraine and if they sign up to the EU then it's basically the EU through Ukraine will have open access to trade in Russia right respect with respect to the NATO issue Vladimir Putin put it quite simply he said NATO is just an excuse for the USA to have a military base or military bases to to expand their capability and if we look at the neo-conservative agenda specifically the last 20 years or so yeah going back to the the what can we say the when when we first or a lot of us became aware of the neo-conservative movement the neo-cons and they had that paper didn't they before the events in New York they brought out paper called Rebuilding America's Defenses and of interest in that was well it placed a focus on expanding America's military occupation worldwide or sorry military capabilities worldwide and then of course there was that line it said this will not come about easily unless we have unless we have a new Pearl Harbor and then of course we saw the events um back 20 years ago didn't we I'm trying not to say the number folks simply because it just gets our yeah it will get us um demonetized immediately um and so yeah we saw that and many observers will say neo-cons aka the Kazarian mafia yeah um so you could understand why Putin wouldn't want Ukraine signing up to NATO because essentially he could have nuclear weapons as you pointed out Eric right on his doorstep yeah my question and I don't know if we'll ever get to the answer of this is how much is President Putin being played by this agenda right or how much does he know about this agenda oh I mean he obviously knows about it he's not he's a very smart guy but to what extent is he a part of it or to what extent is he covering his own back by going along with certain things or whatever the case may be um I mean another question might be to what extent is he impotent and by that I mean if you look at George Bush um in the events surrounding what happened in New York 20 years ago he was just like a rabbit caught in the headlights wasn't he you could clearly see he had no control over his his government it had been infiltrated to such an extent that that they were able to um let's just say take complete control of the scenario and he was just like oh my god it's kind of it's happening I'm the president and I just really don't know what to do and then of course he was told what to do and he suddenly he suddenly like got into gear and started going along with what what I'd refer to as the cough cough agenda so yeah will we ever know what Putin's position in all of this is his his true one because at the moment it it genuinely looks like he's he's just been his back has been against the wall he's had to act before Ukraine become part of Europe and certainly before they come out part of NATO because if he didn't and they're a part of NATO they can call up Article 5 right which is any country in NATO that comes under threat gets the full backing of all the rest of the countries in NATO right and it's also interesting these eastern provinces the Donbass region which clearly identify as Russian how much this plays a bearing on on the situation yeah and you know so you bring up some really good points too I mean you know there's always more than one side to the coin right and I think it's it it wouldn't be fair to talk unless you talked about both sides of it right can I just chip in there Eric and say that yeah that yeah if you watch mainstream media there's two sides to this coin it's pure and simple and you you can just see people can just see people taking their side depending on what they're being fed by their news outlets right what I'm saying here is there's a whole nother level again isn't there that's really controlling this controlling this situation pulling the strings way above the average Joe's head and on that point I guess we should thank all those freedom lovers out there that have put the research in to get to that level of understanding it was difficult 20 years ago if you drew these conclusions not only did you get called absolutely crazy but you had nobody to share it with it was the early days of the internet um you couldn't make such such sort of statements without coming under attack and full credit to the people that have lasted this 20 years and stuck to the freedom narrative because you know talking as a member of that of that group I just know how much flak you take um and now of course they're not people in the freedom movement aren't so isolated there's a lot more individuals all on different levels of can we say awakenness um and of course Eric what how do we think this recent health issue plays into it many people would say as that fell on its ass I'm not saying this but it could be argued that it it it ran its course to a point where so many people were in objection to that narrative that it it could no longer go on and then of course we get a major war to some would argue take people's minds off it what are your thoughts on that yeah um yeah um well uh the the stuff that we've ended up having to go through over the last two years I mean it all changed because of political polling data you know the numbers right now that came out for democrats in the United States said um you can keep pushing what you've pushed for the last two years or you can accept the win and move forward or you're going to get you know destroyed in our upcoming mid-term elections in november and so you just kind of see everything disappear right so this is where it doesn't exist anymore this is with respect to biden so this is correct this is with respect to biden's party he's very much obviously they've all gone along with this narrative i'm um to all intents and purposes it looked like the guy doesn't know what day it is anyway um i mean that no no i mean that no disrespect but i mean come on he's he's no no allegedly leader of the world's leading superpower um and they've they've installed someone there that's seriously ill um yeah it it's it makes the whole of politics look like a laughing stock or or or a sham or or allows people to see what it is um and you're saying that if they'd continue to push this narrative now that people were starting to poke serious holes in it they would have lost at the next election yes um and that is that is the the source for that information is actually the the so each party does political research on people's opinions so you might get a phone call you might get a text message and then they pull that data together to form an understanding of where americans stand on certain issues and then that polling data was recently released and made public essentially and so now you see um politicians kind of change their tune and do a complete 180 it's for political reasons right and that ties into the same narrative right now that we're dealing with in the ukraine now you know there's an old saying where the first casualty of war is is is truth right because you have propaganda that's that's spinning up and this holds true in every single war that's ever existed you know one both both sides they spin up their propaganda machines and they try to build the narrative that they're the good guys that they're on the right side of things right and the we the means by which they do that nowadays is by control of social media by the big tech oligarchs and uh the the corporate news media organizations and you know um when i started looking into this because um you know i i put out a video on my bit shoot um channel um a few a few days ago over the weekend where i was doing research trying to find combat footage and as much information as i could you know i have contacts in europe um all over the place all over the world friends friendships that i built and they helped feed me some information from time to time when i when i look for it and what i found was a lot of the the mainstream media sources from the united states germany israel uk um they were literally regurgitating old stock photos and videos um one of the ones that you saw in pretty much every british newspaper um over the weekend was a woman covered in blood behind a blown up apartment complex and that was actually from a gas explosion years ago right and they tried to pass it off as you know it's the ukraine or um in the german in the uh the german news media they tried to pass off a chinese firework warehouse explosion uh in tiangin as you know something being blown up in the ukraine and now you know in israeli media they they used a video that included like a a downed tie fighter with you know imperial storm troopers from star wars as footage from the ukraine and it's just so blatant right now um can i say it took me forever yeah go ahead go ahead i i just wanted to say and i know i speak for a lot of people watching us now when when i look at that footage even just to see the bbc logo i'm i'm not even considering this might be true i i just know it's a complete whitewash job and and that is the function of of of the mainstream media and off the back of the last two years so many people have woken up to that to realize that the the the news stations aren't on your side they are they're completely not on your side but what we forget is most people still you know the 99 they still go along with that stuff they still think it's the gods honest truth i mean to such an extent where i i kind of find myself gravitating to people that don't live in that matrix anymore yeah you know i i really just i'm not i'm not being judgmental here i'm just being honest from the heart i i find it hard to be around that level of of um lack of awareness and i'm not criticizing the individual if you've been indoctrinated since birth into this nonsense i mean it's it's it's not people's fault or some probably people out there are going to argue yeah oh yes it is they they need to stop calling people conspiracy theorists and actually you know wake up but clearly a significant percentage of the population is are never going to wake up are they not right well i mean it's all psychology you know and when you're when you have so much backing and they make it so impossible to really even find the truth of whatever it is it doesn't matter what the issue is you know if they're trying to cover something up they bury it so far that you know it's almost impossible to research it um and you really just have to over the years develop you know your sources to where you go to to really dig into it yourself um i'll give you a really good resource there there's a website called tin i t i n e y e and so if you if you see um documents or photos or videos online or from mainstream media sources you can go to that website tin i and you can upload those images it could be you could even take a screenshot from the picture you're looking at on your phone and upload that picture and what tin i does is it does a complete and total web search from news media from social media from you know everything you can think of and it will show you where that picture in that video has been used before it will probably blow your mind it will probably blow your mind and you know it's a rabbit hole i'll tell you because once you start using it uh you can't stop so does that use some sort of it's a really good resource does that use some sort of recognition software like does it scan the pixels and then reference it with other photos that are out there right right yeah so i mean and it'll pull up things from twitter it'll pull up you know feeds from facebook it'll pull up youtube videos all that kind of stuff and you know that's where a lot of this propaganda is is is being debunked you know because people are doing the research and they're reverse uploading images and then having them you know you can become your own fact checker and totally blow out you know the mainstream media's narratives of what they're trying to do and it's really simple it's free you don't need to sign up for anything you just go to the website and there it is hey it says upload upload your image here you go and you can you can fact check for yourself so it's it's really a great resource to kind of see through you know the the bs if you will yeah i tell you what i'm going to do eric if it's okay with you i'm i'm just going to scan through a few photos here for our wonderful public out there because i put some i put some aside here that kind of sum up ukraine's history obviously not in its entirety it's just a brief glimpse folks um but it could be it could be interesting because i i reckon there's a lot about of ukraine's history that people would just be unaware of so let me just get my desktop up so this statue i believe it's in the mydan square which was the scene of the orange protest which which led to the orange revolution um this chap can't remember his name but he was the guy that um let me see he he was the guy that gave crime it was it um i'm going to talk myself into into a corner here but um he was the guy that i think gave crimeer its independence from uh from russia in the first battle from the soviet union rather in the first place and obviously that's another issue that we haven't haven't even yet discussed is um the annexing of crimea right um a lot of a lot of history like we say folks in this country fierce history of of fighting to to um defend itself as a as a this isolated country the flag's interesting it's a beautiful story behind the flag the the blue of the flag is supposed to represent their kind of pristine skies and the yellow is to represent the abundance of their harvest so the the um the wheat harvest i'm i'm guessing um slide here is going back to casaria because obviously this region if you if you talk about uh a thousand ad it was the home of the casars who were um eventually moved on and fled into europe because of the pressure from their neighbors to stop their uh devious and criminal behavior we can we can say and of course it's from those casars that allegedly i'm just uh remaining neutral here for the purpose of the show but allegedly formed the the casarian mafia that uh again allegedly are behind global events um this is the e e o u um dun dun is that have i or e e o n let me see if i've got some notes here um dun dun dun this was kind of the organization of ukrainian nationalists because this is another thing that that that people probably aren't aware of is they've got quite a significant nationalist movement there by nationalist i'm i'm talking about edging on um what what we'd call extreme right wing um although when you see the history of this country you can almost you you can understand where it where it comes from um so they had a leader the o u n back in 1940 so at the start of the war and he was massively uh this step stefan bandera was massively um i'm trying to think of a diplomatic way to say this but he was massively against the jews basically um that's kind of one of the things he's he's known for and what people probably aren't aware of is in the second world war huge swathes of ukrainian society formed regiments and and battalions under the s s so for for germany um and i believe if i understand this correctly there were some kind of holocausts that took place there um that were on a par with with with that uh that of europe um so yeah and interestingly during the nuremberg trials sorry folks i'm stuttering here a bit because it really is so much to to take in especially with my uh my quick visit over the course of two days but during the nuremberg trials these uh individuals that were leading the um military stance that sided with germany were conveniently given immunity from prosecution um so this guy stefan bandera was relocated in the united states and when it was asked well hang on if these guys are responsible for the annihilation of of all these jews what why are they getting off it and the cia's answer was well it's because they're kind of overall they're a usa asset right you know because they fought against germany and that i'm guessing was the cia keeping the informants in the country sweet or sort of playing an espionage you know playing a diplomatic espionage move because of the country's unique position between here and here and russia um so yeah uh in fact here's a write-up cia later informed the immigration and naturalization service that it had concealed stefan bandera and other ukranians from the soviets um this is so when the soviets swept into europe they didn't take out these these guys that were heading up the the german s s s battalions of their own um uh luckily the soviet attempt to locate these anti-soviet ukranians was sabotaged by a few far-sighted americans who warned the persons concerned to go into hiding the agency cited the ukrainian resistant movements struggle against the soviets and believe that in inverted commas the main activities of the o un in ukraine cannot be considered detrimental to the united states by 1951 the agency excused the illegal activities of o un security branch in the name of cold war necessity so this is almost like an operation paperclip sort of thing going on here but but uh whereas operation paperclip was to do with rocket scientists and the formation and nasa right this is to do with some serious what serious war crimes on um is what i'm trying to say um so yeah then we get the cold war developing after the second world war uh then we have perestroika wasn't it under mika gorbachev um i'm sure it didn't come from him personally but the narrative was played out that they were starting to become peace talks with him and ronald reagan so between america and the soviet union which um at the same time there was the narodny ruk and i'm sure i'm not pronouncing that correctly but it was the people's movement in you in ukraine um that formed and then of course the berlin wall came down in was it 91 i believe it was eric i believe so yeah yeah see um and then here we go we got this chap see if i can find his name um oh leg tianyabok again i'm sure i've not pronounced that right folks but um 1991 sees the rise of far right extremist independent organizations um again i'm i'm saying that they're they're written up in the literature as far right but of course from their perspective they're they might well be doing what they they might be center is what i'm trying to say um leader of svoboda svoboda a nationalist freedom party uh against ussr don't don't don't what else we got here well there is some truth to that um if you look up the ukrainian azov battalion um these guys are basically openly neo nazis like on president zalinsky's political side of the spectrum they have ukrainian flags with swastikas and all that stuff and you can find open source if you if you if you just duck duck go um the azov battalion you'll find pictures of those guys yeah we've and it and there were other groups um spawned as well eric so we've got this the right sector right um led by this guy here dmitry yarosh and it's very interesting let me get us back it's really interesting there's two documentaries folks and i suggest watching both of them that that focused on the orange revolution one is called um as it winter uh let me just find it i can't for the life of me remember what they're called but um basically two documentaries made one was by oliver stone which seemed to have a fair amount of um objectivity to it like he interviewed putin and putin seems to be fairly open um opening his his sort of answers to to um oliver stone's questions and there was another documentary i believe it was called winter in ukraine so oliver stone's documentary doesn't get a look in on for example wikipedia which kind of i think there's a bit of a clue there whereas the other documentary does get gets a complete write up and obviously the one that gets that gets the write up on wikipedia is the one pushing the narrative that we're we're now seeing come to fruition um is that making sense eric yeah yes it does yeah sorry it's easy if it's found if it's if it's at uh you know if it's at the top of your google search chances are there's something there's something funky going on there yeah it's easy to find probably not true yeah i'm just gonna search i'll hand over to you eric and um oh yeah so winter on fire um was one of the documentaries um that's the one that's written up on wikipedia and in winter on fire one specific thing that was uh mentioned was it uh uh uh uh uh it it conveniently glossed over all the far right symbolism so the swastikas etc etc and when you understand how those far right elements were being controlled then you can see it was the same system that has been used to implement revolution all over the world so the arab spring um you know what's that libya etc etc and yeah again so basically a um a strategy of the kazarian mafia is what we're trying to say or what all the neocons have you seen either of these documentaries eric so one is um sorry i was just saying there wasn't i one is winter on fire and the other one is ukraine on fire both well worth watching but fascinating to see no i i have not i have not seen them but um just being a student of history i know enough i know enough to be dangerous i guess yeah uh but um you know at at the end of the day really you know when when you look at war and stuff like that you know depending on how you form your own opinions and what information you decide to consider the reality is is that war ultimately happens because one or more countries have failed foreign policies with one another and you know the reasoning behind that there's a multitude of higher level things that are going on then just you know a president or something like that i agree um and unfortunately you know a lot of times we get involved in the politics and the blame game and and you know um looking into propaganda and who lied and what documents and all that kind of stuff but you have to remember that there's a human element here because at the end of the day you know the people of of that country you know the regular ordinary folks who live in the ukraine they don't want to they don't want war they don't want to see their kids blown up in the streets they don't want to starve to death or be victimized by one side or the other you know they're just kind of caught in the middle you know your homes could be destroyed you could lose your kids your husband your wives you know your daughters and the one thing that I can universally agree upon with just about anybody is that anytime war hits somewhere it's ultimately the people who live there that that will suffer you know regardless of who's at fault or who's to blame you know the the one thing that's universal with war is is human suffering and the other thing I side with those people yeah and the other thing we have to point out is it's it's further obfuscation so further confusion of understanding who we are as as human beings and what I mean by that is it's it's furthering the notion that we're all these individual identities as opposed to one collective so when I look at you Eric I'm not really seeing Eric Gums you know former USMC he's an American I'm British he's this I'm that I don't see that division what I see is my own flesh and blood in another in another of nature's wonderful creations experiencing the world over there in the way that you are and I'm just I'm just life experiencing itself here right and when you come to understand the universe in these terms then you understand the complete few futility of war because it's one part of the universe going to war with with itself is what I'm saying it's it's complete nonsense and while we we have these these nutcases in charge of we're in charge of our affairs and making these decisions on not on our behalf but on behalf allegedly on behalf of countries they're ultimately not just like you say um putting upon poor innocent people just just huge suffering but while they're doing it they're they're further hiding the fact that we are all one and until we we learn to start viewing life through that perspective that we are all one we're going to keep falling for this identity trap and this identity politics and this Russia versus the USA you know UK versus you know Argentina whatever it's some it's a huge distraction from ever learning who who we really are yeah and I mean if you think about it right like you look at the war that we just waged in Iraq and Afghanistan it costs us taxpayers something like 60 million dollars a day for 20 years and then we sit and we say uh why are people why why why do people go without food in Africa right like why are people starving anywhere in the world at that point or in our own country for that matter because we have we have people who don't have health care they they can't feed their children or support themselves right and you sit there and you tell me look we just spent 60 million dollars a day for 20 years the cost of that war is astronomical and the cost of that war did nothing more than drain the resources and the fruits of the labors of the people all of every country involved and diverted it for a destructive purpose instead of something that could have benefited humanity I guess you know you could you could have basically put that money into just about anything else and it would have been put to better use than making war you know what I mean yeah I mean that's that's those wars really are a touchy subject for me because I have my own personal ideas about the backgrounds and all of that but I won't get into that that's maybe a topic for another video but when you just look at the sheer cost of it and you have people you know here in America who are suffering from drug addiction or psychological issues or broken families or you know stuff like that people who can't afford just basic things right or just upgrading infrastructure to make quality of life better or give poor families tax breaks so that they can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and become independent and not dependent you know stuff like that and all of that added to our national debt too which you know I think we're at like 26 trillion dollars in debt right now and so it's it's really pretty insane that people think that America really has some sort of capability to wage a world war right now when you're 26 trillion dollars in debt how are we going to pay for that how are we going to pay how are you even going to pay for that right now you know what I mean my great-grandchildren won't have paid off 26 trillion all right so where does the money come from to do all the funding to run a global war yeah we're going to end up like the Soviet Union we're going to end up like the Soviet Union it's it's over you know so Eric let's yeah let's come to a close on two points so the first is can we consider how is this going to end secondly can we consider how would it be beneficial to end do you understand the difference between the two yeah yeah so how is it likely to end i with the mainstream narrative etc etc how can it end but the second area to look at is what would be an ideal ending so maybe we start with the first yeah so honestly just kind of keeping track of the Russian military's progress I think the way it's going to end is that it's it's it's going to end quicker than you know NATO or the European Union can really react in time to I guess drum up public support with the use of propaganda and stuff like that to justify taking military action against Russia right and all of these sanctions that they're doing right now I think are actually going to come back and bite Europe because most of Europe Germany you know I think Germany is probably the best example is 70 percent of all of their energy needs are satisfied by Russia right so now you're you're sanctioning the person you're completely dependent on and actually President Trump mentioned this you know a few years ago during his presidency that Germany buys 70 percent of its coal oil and natural gas from Russia right and now you're going to sanction them how is that going to work out in the end I think it's going to end up working out poorly for them the ideal situation would have been that Russia and NATO would have perhaps allowed some of these Eastern European countries to be just neutral or or become their own group in the world politics and military of themselves to to maintain a neutral buffer zone between NATO and Russia right you could create a different coalition of Eastern Bloc countries that are between you know Western Europe and Eastern and Russia you know that kind of builds a border between them and their neutrality needs should have been or could be you know respected by both sides as you know kind of the neutral party arbiter between east and west you know yeah they could become their own little economic union couldn't they right yeah yeah it's hard to think where this where it's going to end up it I mean it's interesting that you've got this Donbas region in the east where people really do affiliate and they'll recognize themselves as being Russian right because could we end up in a situation where those two regions are annexed by Russia in the same way that that Crimea has been or perhaps that's even that was Putin's intention all along is to sort of lay his claim to this area and then we'll see him withdraw from the other areas or is this is he in for a penny in for a pound this is all out and all out bid to overtake the running of the country yeah I mean I I don't know I mean you know the the reports that that I've seen you know from from Russia over the past you know few days week is once you know they essentially what they've said is once the military military operations objectives are concluded they intend to withdraw now what that means for Donbas region I don't know but I will I will kind of say this and you can kind of draw a conclusion based on previous history when you when you look at you know the end of colonialism from European countries in Africa where they just kind of drew these lines on a map and said okay your people are here your country is here in this box and it cuts people off from their own cultural ethnic groups and and they're separated then by a border and these borders were created with you know no real thought into where people really are congregated based on you know ethnicity or race or religion and stuff like that which has led to endless conflicts and genocide in Africa for decades on end and has led to an absolute nightmare for African countries to try and kind of sort out amongst themselves you know you you kind of have the same situation in the Ukraine where you know you have this civil war going on between east and west Ukraine once pro russia once pro nato and they've been fighting and killing each other for you know eight plus years right and so the reality is is that countries have borders and and the reason why they have borders is because typically those borders are created to separate people who are culturally incompatible with one another and so those borders are really kind of the things that keep the peace so you don't see this kind of ethnic violence and genocide that kind of bruise once one side gets enough rhetoric or propaganda behind them and becomes the majority and then takes out the minority right and so i think for stability purposes you know i'm all about you know people who are wanting to be part of this other country maybe we should let them you know but i hope that either way that it's a democratic process and that the people are able to choose for themselves what they want because that's freedom right i don't support Putin just simply taking it i think that if if the people in the donbas region want to be part of russia then they should have a free election and decide for themselves democratically to do so should they so choose yeah so what are we saying here about russia's intention then occupying the country long enough to what to stabilize the government in its favor and then withdrawing or or how does it work because like i say it just seems to be infrapenny infrapound i mean yeah the technically or whatever the word they've invaded so what what what exactly do you think they're trying to achieve so i think i think it's sorry go ahead other than the obvious you know we we we get it that they're objecting to nato and and right um and that having this on their doorstep we get that but how will doing what they're doing what what's the way out of it to achieve what they're trying to achieve but also also to ultimately get to a to peace back to peace back to stability right so by default you know the the russians don't just have a problem with nato they they also have a problem with zelinski's government right so you have president zelinski and then all of his cabinet and ministers that run you know the country um if i were putin you know you can't you can't just let these people stay in power right because they're just going to start this back up all over again and so uh in my opinion a military objective would be these guys would be high value targets you know hivs uh or hvi's high value individuals and they would definitely be going after these politicians that you know kind of put ukraine into the situation as being pro nato because they're part of the problem for russia as well and so you're gonna have to remove these people um and what what they do with them i don't know maybe maybe they get put on trial maybe it's a military tribunal maybe they maybe they go to the old russian gulag i i don't know um and you know you you try to install somebody in that government who is a little bit more pro russia or you know neutral right but i i don't think occupation is the goal here because um as we found out and as russia found out you know in afghanistan and in iraq you know if you try to occupy something uh another country and stay there forever it basically turns into you know an insurgency problem where you've got people coming in foreign fighters from other countries that are now trying to delegitimize the government yet again and it just it just spins out of control and you end up sitting there and bleeding out for a decade right like what we just did uh and and the russians are should be well aware of their mistakes that they made in afghanistan as well and so i don't think a long-term occupation is the goal here i think it's really just kind of um take the people out that have been pushing towards the nato button and going against russia's interests and rebuild it back up with either somebody who is again pro russia or perhaps the best case scenario in my mind would be to show neutrality and just kind of leave ukraine alone you know that i would hope that we would find somebody who's neutral to avoid this in the future right do you think it would oh wow i mean it would surprise a lot of people in the west to realize that that um i mean that this this is in their best interest i mean oh sorry to the other side of the coin rather it's not in their best interest to allow the neocombs to further force their agenda on the world in this instance by by ukraine becoming a part of nato like you say why the hell do we still have nato um but ukraine becoming a part of nato and then allowing american armaments in that country right on russia's border antagonistically and i mean it's not it's not a good scenario for anyone right and yet it's foolish yeah and yet the media have managed to spin it obviously that's what they do to sell it to the public that this is in their best interest um crazy and one other thing eric that we haven't even uh mentioned is how does this all this fit in with the belt and road initiative you know that's a whole another discussion in itself yeah i mean this for friends at home who who aren't aware that the belt and road is this um it's this super highway between east and west so from beijing essentially to to europe it's a super highway of all things resources manpower communications transport etc etc for those that can that are watching the podcast you can see the blue line is the overland route interesting to see how it it um passes close by to ukraine and the red is the sea route and i think any observer eric would say this is kind of part of the the the 1984 shaping of the world and as such a world war now would really screw up the plans for the belt for the belt and road so it would hint that world war three is not that's not what we're talking here any thoughts on that yeah um you know for the most part the the reality is is that most people are actually against getting involved militarily with this conflict between russia and ukraine now you're going to see the mainstream media put out polls and they're going to say well you know 77 of american support you know war with russia that's that's not true it's pretty much the opposite of that you have maybe maybe 20 percent who would who would agree with some form of military action because the reality is is if they had that kind of public support they'd already be there they'd already be they'd already be there you know so um basically i don't think that this is going to end in world war three i think what we're going to see is a lot of posturing a lot of rhetoric um you know from from western you know democracies um you know here you know the united states in western europe um and and they'll condemn and and say you know russia is bad and all that stuff and they'll continue to play basically the same narrative that they played against russia you know since the beginning of the cold war right you know they've said the same things about russia for you know the better part of 80 years so um nothing really has changed they'll slap on some sanctions for russia russia will wait out those sanctions and will return to the status quo as it will yeah eric are you familiar with um bunting's clover leaf mat i'm not um one sec see if i can pull it up um one second yeah for friends at home i'm just gonna get a picture of it up um i've got to save it first i've just got a fault folder called poking the bear it's all it's all going in there at the moment a lot of stuff's going in there anyway um let me just see if i can get this up yeah this is with respect to the kind of orwellian like infrastructure the world's being developed into if it makes sense and this was a map by a um i believe he was a pastor like a vicar right um and he lived fairly some time ago in fact let me just um let me just get that up and and what he said is um he he came up with this map and it was his prediction of how the world was going to be shaped by by our controllers um let me just let me just read read you this heinrich bunting was a german um this is in time the times of israel by the way folks there's the map so it's a it's a clover leaf map eric it's it's got europe as one leaf it's got asia as a as a as another leaf and it's got africa as the third leaf america being totally separate in this equation and then it's got israel as the center so it's kind of hinting at three um global super states controlled by israel in the middle um and it says here heinrich bunting was a german protestant pastor theologist and cartographer and in his masterpiece um travel through holy scripture in 1581 so this is going back some time he portrayed the world that that mattered comprised of three continents of europe asia and africa we've each depicted as a clover leaf they converged in jerusalem and the rest of the world was irrelevant it's quite interesting that this is 400 years ago he predicted what what we'd come to know as all wells 1984 um and like i say you can see there so asia would be russia and china being banded together wouldn't it europe europe would be the european union obviously and and hence the need for our european army um in the orwellian future it's all about living in a constant state of war with these three super states always played off against each other or at least through the media through big brother to keep the public in its place to keep them living in fear essentially um um and is that kind of not what we're seeing do you think that that's uh that's a reason for cementing this last little part of nato right up to the border of um fabricated enemy any thoughts yeah um what i can say is you know history is is trying to repeat itself you know um if you look at events that transpired leading up to world war two um you know there there are versions of history that you learn in school and there are versions of history that you learn by doing your own research there are similarities of kind of you know the setup if you will draw a parallel to ukraine being like the poland you know what happened with poland in world war two whereas ukraine is now the modern day poland right um in this scenario when you're comparing world war two to current events um fortunately though um i think that we are kind of in a situation where enough people kind of get it um where i think that we can avoid another global war and hopefully we can restrict this to a short you know a short conflict between russia and ukraine and and my hope is really that you know the the people and the suffering is as limited as possible you know you're always going to have civilian casualties when when when you're at war it's unavoidable um but i hope that the suffering isn't prolonged and i i hope it's kept to a minimum and that we after this is done reach some type of peaceful resolution with each other uh to avoid sticking other countries in the middle of you know this these these global powers that are constantly competing against one another so that that's that's really i guess my my greatest hope um is that we can just find a peaceful solution to this and not draw it out forever yeah that ties in with the second part of my um wanting to draw this to a close what would be an ideal an ideal scenario and i think now eric people are just fed up a lot of people on mass and now fed up with this this let's just call it the neocon agenda this constant state of war this constant state of manipulating the media this constant state of treating the public like they're idiots and sadly if members of the public are idiots it's only because they've been indoctrinated their whole life to you know like that um like that film wasn't it idiocracy have you ever seen that movie yeah yeah it's classic oh god classic yeah what an accurate movie terry cruz fan too so yeah it's a great movie what an accurate portrayal of where you know how life's progressing to get to this state of humanity where people have just become so dumb um so yeah i i i just think people are fed up with this now this isn't a joke it's it's not like our life we get two or three run-throughs at this i mean not it not in this set of molecules folks you know in this set of molecules referred to as chris trawl or eric gums all we've ever known is war and conflict and the greed of of this minority that insists on trying to control the narrative and working towards their their can we say world order and we don't get this life back you know we don't get being locked in our homes for two years we don't get that time back we don't get the effect on our human psyche of constantly being subjected to war um having it in in our media for the last 20 years um being subjected to that horrendous death count consistently and we don't want our children to have to grow up with this it's like it's gone too far and i mean it always was too far but now so many people can see it so many people can see it and i'll say to folks out there please you've got the links here for the global veterans alliance come on board with us and help make a difference if we don't start saying no to this this evil that's all it's pure evil then our children are just going to have to live through the same um fear agenda that we've all been subjected to and i just think eric don't you think it's just time to start saying no right and i mean you know the the last thing that i guess i'll leave you guys with is is this you know if if the last two years you know you've realized that the things that the people making decisions in your government and the people giving you the information on the media awakening right realizing that not everything is as they tell you it is right and you've started to question things and start to disbelieve the propaganda that's been pushed on you and why would you believe them on on this subject right all of a sudden all of a sudden they're they're telling the truth again you know um to me that that doesn't really it doesn't really make sense um and so the the best thing that i can say is to continue questioning things and don't believe everything you see and try to at least verify whatever you can on your own um and and do a little bit of background research yourself because that that goes a long way and the other important thing is is to have these discussions with your own children and to make sure that you're raising your own kids properly so that they learn so that they don't become part of the problem in the future too you know education is a never-ending process and you need to dedicate your life to it so that's pretty much um hope for peace and then support support peace you know so that that's pretty much all i can say on that i guess in closing yeah and i'll close with two things the first echo in your sentiments there eric is if it doesn't project peace love kindness empathy and a shared compassion for humanity globally then it's not in your best interest once someone starts banging those war drums it is not in anyone's best interest it's part of an agenda that doesn't suit you or i as the you know the common individual can we say and like i said before it's time to start saying no to it and the other thing i'm going to say is major eric massive thank you for for joining us again and for all your all your support um folks if you could like and subscribe to the channel that will really help us it's a difficult subject to cover there's a lot of um unpleasantness can we say a lot of unpleasant factors but we try to bring them to you in as open a manner as possible we might not have it all right so feel free beneath the video to leave your comment please be respectful obviously always because this is the the future we're creating for our young 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