 Good morning everyone and welcome to one of our monthly new member zooms. I'm Betsy co. I'm zooming from Chicago land in Illinois and my co host with me today is Hillary Gadsby who's coming from Wales this morning her afternoon. I've been on week I've been doing these sessions for about a year. And my back my own personal background is as a teacher music teacher. And of course when we went into lockdown. All of us teachers had to learn how to teach remotely online. So that's how I got comfortable with with doing this sort of thing and thought that it would be a really nice crossover to helping people on wiki tree just the idea of being able to have a conversation in real time, even though discord and messaging is great and very, very instant, but there's, in some ways, there's nothing like being able to talk face to face and screen share, and do make changes in in real time and be sure that we're talking about the same thing. It's, it's called for new members but it's, it's really for anyone who has questions, we say new and newish members, and just with the goal of helping everybody, you know, do what they want to do on wiki tree. So my where I spend time on wiki tree is, I'm members of the England Wales, Scotland, and Canada projects in terms of research and geography, and I also am a mentor and help a lot with the events. So things like the source of fun and wiki wiki games and our upcoming symposium and wiki tree day. Hilary, I'll let you introduce yourself. Yeah, I've been on wiki tree since 2011. So I was here a long time. I'm one of the greeters. I think I agreed to a lot of the time I've been on wiki tree but there was a period when I wasn't greeting. I'm also a mentor and I'm a project coordinator for both the England and Wales projects. I also get involved with quite a lot of the challenges at the moment. I'm involved with the rock challenge, which I know Betsy's involved with as well. We're working on some other members trees, which is quite quite interesting and exciting when you make a connection. Right, yes, if you haven't heard about rock. It's an acronym standing for random acts of wiki tree kindness. And this is the fourth one we've done we did March, June, August and yep now October, and people get nominated, and then we do a random drawing to pick five everyday wiki tree years, who get the the Royal wiki tree treatment by a team we have almost 60 people working on these people's branches and trying the main goal is to try and raise their cc seven. And I'll be sure to, if you don't know what a cc seven is I'll be sure to point that out on on a profile here today. Okay, merely you were you were so patient and flexible on Thursday I really I wanted to say thank you again for like, allowing us to go whichever way we needed to go that night so what profiles I have your profile open. What, what questions do you have. Where should we look. So, um, you know, my, my, I, my mother was very into genealogy and, you know, from way back when I was a kid, and my mother's side of the family is the English Scottish, you know, line, lots of records, we have, you know, Mormons in our family and there's just a whole lot of documentation. My father, Italian Sicilian. And so not much on that side when it comes to records that's where I hit the dead end so I thought, you know, there's as I just also just some background I almost I tried to write down to focus on the day I realized we have an hour but I think that there were just a sort of a couple of different things. I had been for, you know, probably 2530 years ago, I had bought a copy of family tree maker, and was little by little getting the research my mother had done into family tree maker. And, you know, it's been quite some time ago that I kind of thought this is just dead end you know when I die it goes with me. It's just not going anywhere, you know, other than the paper records I still had. And I can't remember when I first heard about wiki tree but I really just didn't try it until recently. And I think I had this idea that it was just going to be a free for all it was open, and then I'm just so impressed by the controls by the the efforts to to maintain the integrity of the data and so on. There's a lot of complexity but it is just energized me to get these records over so in family tree maker I probably have 800 plus records. I have a GEDCOM and that was like sort of the first time I went Oh, they're really quite cautious about this it wasn't just like dump the GEDCOM in there. It's like one record at a time I'm making sure everything's cool and there's not a record already out there. And I have of course found when I, you know, had this tendency to kind of like start with like well let's just kind of start with me and start moving in that direction but then I went, especially on my mother's side where there was a lot of research to. We have Edward Rosson was the secretary of the Massachusetts Bay Colony I thought well surely he'll be in wiki tree and of course he was and then working from Edward Rosson forward. Of course I just found tons of matching records so it was. So that's, that's been sort of like okay and you know I'm learning a lot just by going through that process. I did try and get some of what little I had on my dad's side and my parents are both gone. And, and there's really not a lot of information we have, you know, the before they they got to to America. And so just, you know, I think that my, my primary question was whatever kind of tricks and resources that help find, find the actual records I did find one on one. Great grandparent that I think is good that is from a manifest from a ship that came into New Orleans. Okay, and, and you see my my surname my Italian surname is gazetta. Yeah. Oh the other thing is just that when I realized that I was gazetta 657 I'm like, well there's 656 others out there. Yes, and you know what here's let me show a quick trick that people might not know about if you go to the home page. You locked up I'm afraid Betsy can't hear you. The internet just temporarily. It may just temporarily gone out for some reason. She just when she was ready to give us the big. I'm not sure what she was about to say or otherwise I would carry on with it. A really good trick though. People know about. Yeah. Oh, she's gone out. Thank you. All right. And we're back after my technical difficulties. So let me go back to share screen sharing, and we were talking about finding others of the same surname. So if you go to the homepage. Now normally, we might put in something like that, a wiki tree ID, or you might put in the first and last name, but if I do just a surname. So, like that, it's going to take you to a page like this. And, and pay attention to these quick links up here, because you can sort the sort the people on the list, you can see who active members are. And you can let's see genealogists. So if I do that, these are the people who you who are wiki tree members and you might want to reach out to them. So, yep, and you are the number one contributor. Let's see what else is handy. Let's see the Gazeta profiles that are orphaned, which means that they have no profile manager. And then in that case, supposing you see someone and you say, that's my ancestor it's an orphan profile, then like that. Yep, then you can go and you can adopt the profile. Just click on adopt this profile. And then you will become the profile manager. I imagine that a lot of, you know, is I'm just a beginner genealogist, other than, you know what I have gleaned through my mother and through my use of family tree maker. But when it comes to trying to find records actually once you get back to Italy. Is it pretty much just going to a church and finding church records or town records or, you know, what kind of not necessarily are you, you're not a member of any of the projects are you not yet, but yet. Okay, well let's because all right as soon as you said Italy and Sicily I thought Italy project. Let me show everybody under the find menu. You can go to projects. And there are many kinds of projects geographical being the most popular, but not always. So let's find Italy. This is a very active project. And I know they would be very responsive. So here's their free base page. Okay. Yep. And if you I mean you can look into joining the project all you have to do is is post an answer on this G to G post. But if you're if you feel like that's too big a commitment right now. So why don't you just post your question in G to G and tag Italy. Have you done anything in G to G. Not yet, but I've been, I've been trying to read the manuals and stuff and get comfortable with everything. But like, I just as a quick aside to is, I have this just tendency to just be like so private I'm not even a Facebook and stuff, but I love this genealogy thing I love this open thing. And I feel like I can probably even open up my wiki tree better than I have but I've just been like, Oh, I've got everything you know shut down I'm feeling very private. And so I need to get, I need to get over that. I'm glad you mentioned that, at least to. Oh, I lost you. Let's see, let me get you back and see what your privacy level is on mine I've got it shut down to the. Oh, yeah. Okay. To the, the most locked level. Well, maybe I opened it up a little that's right. I, I think that after a month of playing around I went okay I think I can open it up a little bit. And red that danger danger red is the most locked down level. This I think actually is what I have Hillary what do you have. I'm just trying to think now. Let's see what have I got I've got it so that it because you've got you've got to have a certain level of privacy for. If you've got, yeah, I've got, I've got a yellow one because you have to have something but if you've got if you DNA tested you have to have something. I guess we'll show if, if you have it too high the privacy you won't, it won't show your DNA test. Gotcha. And I have DNA test in there, which I'm sorry to jump around but I just like also does that automatically since I've told it it's like okay I had a DNA test done it was done with ancestry. Is there anything further I need to do or does wiki tree automatically sort of like get that information from ancestry. I have to first, first of all, you can't upload DNA to wiki tree. Okay, I think I did read that because I. Yeah, okay so what you want to do is you want to upload your you want to first of all go to ancestry, and you download the, the fight the file to your computer. And I've done that. Yep, and then you're going to upload that to Jed match, Jed match, it's just all together Jed match. And you will get, well here I'm on my page. And we can see here where it says 100% me with myself and sister DNA, and my Jed match kit number is there. And so that's what's going to appear. And so for instance. So here's my second cousin. Now these percentages are just based on the relationship. Theoretically, second cousin should have this much DNA in common. Because remember, in reality, it might be a little bit different, just based on recombination. Yeah. And then, you know, if you have MT DNA or the men if they do why DNA. You can, you know, also upload now I did this your family tree DNA, and I was able to just give the fan the FT DNA kit number. And that was enough. So, and I have I also have just at this point while I'm really figuring it out I'm not putting any living relatives into my profile without asking their permission and And then does it is it to any benefit though like if I put in my my brother and sister to get their DNA stuff in there to this is that, you know, to ask them to upload theirs or, I guess it's not. You're saying that this Jed just putting it in the connecting it with Jed matches the is the thing to do that's the next step to do. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Hillary, you have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I suppose the only advantage of having siblings on on there is that obviously they might them they might. I don't know if there's really an advantage with siblings as such obviously cousins there would be because they're going to have matches with other people. Right. Yeah, I mean I've got I've got one cousin match online I think somebody that I'd already knew was a cousin match before I joined wiki tree or or quite a lot some time ago but yeah, it's interesting because when you are trying to look for an unusual thing I have had have had success with matches, a bit more distant matches which is useful. But yeah, because you're you're strictly speaking your siblings should have the same parents so they should go up the tree that's actually the same as you would say. Right, gotcha. So since I mentioned since I recommended posting in G to G, you know and I'm not sure you know for some of you this may be something you've done scores of times but if if not, so you go to the G to G. First of all, does everybody know how to get to G to G. Let's let's take it back even a step. Okay, so under my wiki tree. G to G feed. So it's under those menus at the top are very, very helpful. Then you want to go over here. Ask a question and then think of this is just a headline. So something like in search of my Italian ancestors. I ask you a category. The tree house is just kind of the general Bolton board, but you might merely want might want to pick genealogy help. And there are some links that you can check out previously asked questions. So if you're a question, you know, if it's very specific like, you know, Centoro one, two, three, five, I'm looking for his marriage record in whatever in Sicily, then you would ask it and be as specific as you can. And then this is the important thing is you want to you want to tag Italy. So that the people in the Italian project alert. Okay, that someone has a question and they will get you will get answers I promise. Yeah. So I'm now I'm going to back out of this. How do I back out of it, I guess just, I can't cancel it. So I'm just going to leave the tab. Okay. Did you want to look at a specific profile. Where did I. So, so there's at least there's one in my Italian side that it kind of helps I think to look at it I'm still working on making sure I am. I'm still working on my citations to so yeah. So, a lot of what I have on the Italian side, I realize it's just nothing more than family records and I think just even right now I'm citing that until I can try and confirm stuff but, you know, again, all the people involved are dead you know by the time I really get most active with genealogy everyone that I could talk to is gone. And sometimes I'm not even really sure that I can rely on information to because it becomes sometimes just stories you know family war, family stories, especially on the Italian side. And, and so, and on my Italian side. There is the only one that I said I found this manifest. And, you know, I guess, I guess maybe my question is at this point on the on the Italian side is, and I think with the Italian diaspora. You know, we're just we're the ones that ended up in Los Angeles, you know there's a lot that came through New York I think that that there was at least I think I've made this connection of knowing that that my great grandfather came through New Orleans which was another one of the places that the ship sailed. And it and there is a great, I think some pair of great grandparents that I don't know how they got here. And I don't know if there's anything either that's online or maybe you've already answered it by going like well go to the Italy project and started asking questions, but Well, do you do you want to give us a profile ID or should I look at your watch list or since you've got mine up if you go to my, my, I guess I a lot of times just go to my family tree to see the visual. Well you know what I can't see your family tree because of your privacy level. Oh, darn. Okay. And so, Oh wait, no, I'm sorry I take it back there. There's the button. Very good. So, you can see on the Italian side that I, you know, I've got some great great grandparents in there and I think that was because I had some of the records for the Domenico panel on so my grandmother, my grandmother on the other side. I did have some records but you go to custodial gazetta I believe he's the one that came through New Orleans. So I don't know if I know how Domenico got here so there are a couple of different sort of, you know, don't know but I think I had, you know, you can see how just for sources I just have some gazetta family records and need to. Find that National Archives series maybe there's a better way I could have cited it but that was where I actually found I think that was, you know, during a time I had a free subscription to ancestry some years ago that I found the manifest that actually told me then of which actual vessel and when he actually got to New Orleans. Okay, do you mind if I do well first of all. Let me talk about while there are two ways you can search for further information betting that we could we could give a citation that would be a little more helpful to other people. And so one way to search is through root search. Which is on the lower right hand of every profile, as you can see, it pre fills in everything that you have already put in. And then it gives you a choice. Let's go to family search since there's no paywall there. Okay, now. Does this look right. Yes. Yes, let's take a look, because I noticed you didn't have a death date. Right. Yeah. Oh, now I see. This is not for custodial this is for he is named in the death record. Oh, and I know that Dion is a relative. Yeah. Yeah, well that that tells us that it's correct. But now let's somebody else put Dion in there right. Yeah, yep. So the custodial has his has a family search profile. I bet that's Mike Gazeta when I looked at the people that showed that they were somewhat active Mike was the only one that was a familiar name. Okay. All right, so we have a marriage record. Nice. For for his son, Anthony. That's that's my grandfather. Yeah. Okay. So he's a son. Okay. Deaths did he did. Did he maybe die in his late 80s. Yeah, I think so custodial here he is. Yeah. Father Antonio mother Vita. Josephine was his wife. So June 9 1958. Looks like this is great it has an image and it has an image just as yeah. Okay. Let's see June 1958. Oh that's good because there's also this that some of the research I want to do it said it talks about his employment with Gazeta grocery and I know that in Los in Los Angeles that that my grandfather was a grocer and right right. I'm going to get more, more solid information on that. Yeah, I mean, off the top of my head I was thinking ooh a census or city directory would help you, but this confirms it. So is it okay with you if I add the source to the profile. I would love that. Okay. All right, so I'm going to go back. And the nice thing about family search. Let me go to go to the actual webpage for the record. And now I have this nice little citation that has created for me. And so I'm going to copy it. It's now on my clipboard. So I'm going back to custodial, and we'll edit, and we'll, we'll do this. We have to add an asterisk that creates a bullet point. And let's see what else. So I believe Haskell Avenue was on the death certificate right. Haskell Avenue is in Texas. And so thinking Los Angeles. He did. So I actually did see that he I, that I showed Gazetta and son is the, yeah, the, is the name of the grocer. I went, I went, I did go to, to Main Street in Los Angeles recently kind of over where that grocery was which was. Oh, that's cool to walk those streets. Yeah, that's very meaningful. Let's add now that we know June 1958. And that's certain. And then the death place was, was just Los Angeles. Okay. And that's certain. And then before it will allow you to save a change. Okay, it's going to ask me, well, what did I do. And so I added a source. And I also made changes from a new source, because I added the death record, the death date based on the death record. Right. Which is, oh, and so even though the button, the clicking of the button shifts around, notice that I still have two things. Gotcha. Okay. It puts it into the text. Yeah. And then full save. And there you go. Good. And, and I wonder, did we have anything else helpful in his sources. 10. We looked at about six, I think. There. And death index, death and burial. And here was the. The thing I was curious about, maybe we were, it's right on here is who the profile manager is on this one. Oh, sure. Let's see, let's go back to details. I didn't. I don't know if, if, if family tree profiles always necessarily have. Profile managers. They don't like we do. Yeah. They tend to, they tend to have, they just tend to have the people that have made the last edits on there. So edit, so it may be somebody related. It may not be. Right, right. Because seeing as family searches through the, the Mormon church. And I believe that they have church members who do service work through working on genealogy on the website. Okay. Yeah, I fell into that trap a few times in my early genealogy days where I, I got all excited seeing someone had made a change to an ancestor of mine and I sent them a message and said, how are you related? Are we related? And they said, no, I'm just a volunteer. Yeah, I, I mean, anything like if I'm like I'm working on the rock at the moment. And so I've been building family tree in maybe on family search before I've been creating a profile in wiki tree. So therefore I'm going to have my initials again or my whatever my signing is is going to come up on that. But that doesn't mean to say they're my relatives because I'm working on somebody else's tree. So, right. So if there's no profile manager, I could adopt that profile if I wanted to, or maybe it shows me as the profile manager because I put in a record anyway, that's, that's all role kind of. Yeah, I mean, certainly you are his profile manager. Oh, I already am. I got it wiki tree you are. Yes. Yeah. Now, now here's one thing. And maybe I did see this in that death certificate. Did it show the names of his parents? Yes, it did. Yes. Go back for a second to this. Yeah, and I think it's also important when you're there that should be big enough. Okay. So, Hancock Street was his last place of residence presence. Okay, father Antonio, Guzetta. Okay. Those are all, that's all really cool new information. I'm very excited. Yeah, and you could use this as your source to create their profiles for me. Right. Yeah. May I ask a question here? Of course. I'm just a little cumbersome and I'm just wondering if there's a better way of doing it. So now you have these parents names. And what I'm finding I'm doing is I'm having I write all this information down. And then I go and to add a parent. It just gets complicated. So do you build out the parent on on family search first. So I really only use, I myself use family search to access, you know, free records and get the citations, and, and to get hints. You know, I would never just blindly copy from family search or ancestry or anyway, where without searching the records, but here's what I would do if I were if I were merely and going to build out now to the parents is let's see. Okay, if you're on this page. And this is where we got the citation, but notice that we can click on Antonio. And now the record, which is for custodial is death. It's referencing Antonio as the father. So we could copy that citation, and then use that to create the profile for Antonio. I do great. Thank you. Sure, no problem. So, and then, and then merrily, when you want where you're ready to do Vita, you just change it to Vita. And now you'll see Vita Lonza in entry. I mean it's a minor little thing. If you were to just use the same citation for all three. It would get the person to the right record. But it's just a nice little nuance. But you still then have to enter their, their name, and I put in an approximate age for the parents or marriage because the child was born after. Sure, you still have to put all that stuff in manually or because there is a shortcut where you can get the bio biology information from family search and just plug it in. So if you build it on family tree first, you can just copy and paste all that stuff in to build them. Well, I do when I use saucer, but I use it to bring over some of the data if I've got the data in the in family search. So if I've got things like a birthday and that which I've, which I've checked with and I've know I've got a source for. Then I'll bring that over and then I'll, I'll bring over the sources that are attached to that person provided I'm happy that all the sources that are attached are correct. If I've put all those sources in, then I know they are going to be correct. If somebody else has been involved with it, you need to check that those sources are correct before you do that. Or you, or you need to check if you bring them over, you need to check that when they come into wiki tree that they are what you want. And a lot of that is dependent on making sure you get your with the sources app set up right as well, which can be quite complicated if you're not if you're not used to it. Yeah, and remember I said that there were two ways to find other other sources for a person. One is through root search under research. Now the other requires the saucer app. So you can this is a browser extension you can see I have this little one here. So, and I have that source or app installed. Now if I click on the one app at the top it gives me options to search all a whole bunch of sites. And then, well let's go ahead. I noticed the custodial did have a find a grave site citation. So let's look. Oh, that's interesting. I thought I saw one mentioned on. Oh, I did as well. Does it does it always try and do an exact match because I have seen his name spelled two or three different ways like with a custodial with a U custodial with an O because. Yeah, so yeah, I actually think that the way they have it spelled in there is the one way I have not seen it before within costidio costidio maybe maybe that was the problem. Okay, let's go to find a grave. And so it's always worth checking. Now, if the find a grave entry has a photo, then, then it's much more helpful and valuable than something like this, where you don't have a photo. And, and you can see that he was there, which makes sense. I think my grandparents are there too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so let's let's go ahead and just as I'm, I'm going to go ahead and add this. So we're going to build a source citation. It's instantaneous. Okay, so you're in Sorcerer now right. Yeah, yep. Mm hmm. That's a, let me, that's a third party app or that's part of wiki tree. No, it's part of wiki tree. Hillary, would you mind putting the. I'll get the ops. Yeah. So now if I go here, notice I'm not even going to have to add an asterisk. Boop. There it is. Ah, yeah. I'm going to get rid of these BRs just my personal preference that's just a line break. And then we can preview it. So it doesn't, it doesn't, I like it. I like how it makes the, what it is pop. So we've added a source. Now let's see if Calvary Cemetery has has a category. And I'll show you about that. So if we go here, click on that and Calvary Cemetery. Um, maybe just Los Angeles, Los Angeles. Okay. So what that's going to do, so now I've added a source and I've categorized. Now, if I go to his profile, we can see that we've got this category down here. So now we can see that there are 147 wiki wiki tree profiles. People that were buried there. So this might be interesting. Up at the upper right, my connections. Now, of course, that's my connections. So I'm going to change it. To you. Oops, 657, right. I think so. Yeah. Okay. So it will show you, look, oh, you're, you know, your, your ancestors here. And then nobody else closer, but, you know, sometimes this can provide some helpful clues. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Any, do you want to protect time, time for. Two other questions we had, but do, do you have other questions fairly? I, I think that I, I, this has just been so great that there's a part of these things like, oh my gosh, I've got so many fun things I want to do. So if I had, let me look at my notes real quick to see if I had anything else and then we can move on. No, I think that that's, I, I, I've already again Thursday and today I've already learned so much. I just feel like each time I go in, I, I keep learning and learning. So this is great. Again, I just have to just say how impressed I am with wiki tree and with the people who also get involved. And I just love that you're doing this. Just love it. Oh, great. Oh, Cindy, thank you for coming. All right. And I'm glad that was helpful. Marilay. This, this is by the way, this is my profile ID. And if something comes up after, after the fact, you know, just send me a message and, and I'll see if I can help. So who, let me stop screen sharing for a second. Dave, you're showing up as Dave Stence, but I'm really Linda. Okay, that makes more sense. Okay. Linda, you had some general questions about sourcing and I, I saw your follow up comment in the chat. Do, has this been helpful? Do you want to ask more? It's been helpful. I don't know if you'd want to look at one of mine. Sure. Let me find his ID real quick. He's Stence. So it's SC ENTZ dash 85. Okay. Does that look right? Yes. Yes. Okay. German 19th century. Okay. Oh, it looks like you're already using sorcerer. Well, Not all of that is mine. Oh, I see. And as Hillary was corresponding back with me. I believe this might be the one where the person. Had entered a bunch of stuff. And then I accidentally somehow Another wiped out a bunch. And I have no idea how I did that. But I know just looking through this. He does have two other children. I believe I have a fight. Let me see. I use family tree maker family search my heritage. So. That's why this is frustrating that it's like, oh, why is this so hard for me? Actually, I've got, I've got a link for Cincinnati Catholic Cemetery Society. As far as his burial. There is. I've got a link. For alien arrival. And I just do not know that that's him. I think that this would be a place. For a research note. So research notes. I'm just, I'm not going to do anything, but I'm just going to go into edit mode. So people. You've got these headings. With the two equal signs on either side. So there's biography. And you've got your sources. And just here's my PSA. Never delete this. And just leave that. I think that may be what I did. And so if you work, well, I, if it's okay with you. I'm just going to add the research notes and then you can add to them. Sure. So then research notes go in between. The, the bio. And. The sources. So just research notes. It's actually the same way. Okay. Now when we. And I'll say. I didn't really do anything substantial. I guess it's a formatting thing. And now. It's ready for you to add. Why, you know, your research notes. And so then you can see how it's ready for you to add. Why, you know, your thoughts about that alien. Entry. Doc. Why you think it might be him why it might not be him. And then I would also recommend that you. After you enter that text. And you're still in edit mode. That's the little swiggly line. I put it in the chat. Okay. Yeah. And that will create a signature. It will, it will say, you know, your wiki tree ID number created this note on October 8, 2023. So the people know, I mean, if it's a very clear cut fact, you don't need to do that. But if it's your theory, you might want to take ownership of it by sort of signing it. Okay. All right. Yeah. I don't do you want to do a little bit of research on him and see he is one of my definite brick walls. I can't figure out how I really got across the pond. In the document that I have, there were only six people on this boat and I know coming across the ocean. That's just impossible. Yeah, that does seem a little off. So, let's see what we can find. Okay. So you think, well, let's see if he's on family search and close a few of these other tabs to this is James that Barbara's question Barbara I have not forgotten you. That's, that's okay. We may not have time today. Okay, so do any of these look what was his name. Well, we believe it was Anton. That's what it was in the United States, whether or not it's really Anthony we don't know. We have a burial record here in Cincinnati who we found a Joseph Stence or Jacob Stence and his death record says that Anton was his father. But his death record says, my thigh Stence was his father. Now, Anton did not marry till he came to the United States that we know of but we are wondering if his wife died in Germany, and he brought Joseph with him but we just don't know. So here's a father and a son, both named Anton. Who do you want to get back I want to be able to look at your profile while we're comparing these Stence 85 born 1833. And so here's a birth on 18 in 1834. And do you does this record already. Let's see what do we already have others unknown. Right, don't know anything about his family other what before he came. I see he served in the Civil War. He registered. I see yeah. Well, let's okay. So, if I think this looks very intriguing. I, from anything I found he was from the Alsace Lorraine area. So I don't know enough about this particular record to tell you. Do you have sorcerer Linda. No, I don't know how to put that on. Okay, well the help page that Hillary put in the chat. Yes. Just go to that, and it will walk you through from from the very first thing like, how do I get it. And then how do I use it. And then let me. There's also so the sorcerer was developed by Rob, Katie, and Rob does an excellence video. And so that drop that in the chat as well. I highly recommend watching that video. Okay, that'll be great. Yeah. Okay, how do I find you all again. Okay, that's great. Yeah, I've already clicked on those and saved them so. Okay, and now if I start sharing again. Yeah, if I go back. Right. Well, I mean, perhaps we won't take time to actually both through the document and, and find him but. And yeah, it sounds like there's some confusion going on with names and some could be middle names. You know, could be the same person or, or not. Yeah, so you, you're, you're wise to do, to do careful questions. Yeah, both me and my husband, the great grandfathers are definite people we can't figure out how they got here. I said they must be illegal aliens because we can't find them. I've been to Salt Lake City. I've been to National Archives and it's like, just nothing is coming to play here so. Yeah, okay. Well, I'll check this one out though. Okay. It seems interesting. Okay. Sure. And Barbara, let's look at, I've got a few minutes left. James Bartlett to, and the question was about the source. I've, I've added some. The information that you see and I'm not sure if that's the correct way to do it. Okay, can I, can I go in and tweak a little bit? Can I edit it? Yes, please. Okay. All right. So, let's see. Okay, good. You left. So we can, we can make all of this look. A little tidier just by adding the bullet points. That'll create the asterisks. The asterisks that will create the. So you just put asterisks in front of your citation. Yes. And now look, I'm previewing it. And now it already looks like much more tidy. Yes, thank you. And these are all family search links. So these all look good. So your question is about the first one. Yes, because yesterday I, I tried to see. What's on page 130 of that publication. And I couldn't access that publication. Yeah. Washington County, Washington County historical. So all right, let's see what happens if we do this. Washington. Washington County is a very, is very popular. Well, all right, something's coming up. Is it Maryland? No, it's, it's Ohio. Ohio. Here we go. So it sounds like this organization has. A journal. Maybe this is a book Washington County, Ohio. Yes, it is. And, and I, I know that there is. That publication. But when I tried to look at it. From that citation. I couldn't access it. And, and. Well, here it is. Google has a. But, okay. As an accessible. Yeah, it's not on Google books. It might be on internet archive. I mean, there are a couple of these. Google books. No. So I guess it's a really a two part question. One is you would like to be able to see page 130 yourself, right? I'd like to. Yes. The idea. I think is that if you have a citation, you should be able to look at it. And I. Access that. And I wonder if. There's something I don't know about how to find that I did. I did look for it just like you just did. And. And I looked and books. Family search. I couldn't find. That particular publication. I'm not saying it isn't there. I'm just saying that I, I didn't find it. So what. My next step, if I were you would be to give them a call. Or send an email and explain that you're, you're looking for this publication. I'm sure they have copies. And would someone kindly scan page 130 for you. That's what I would do. Hello. Do you have any other ideas? Yeah, because. I'm assuming this website is just their, their front page. I don't know if they've got anything else behind the, their front page for that, that society that might, where you might be able to. It depends where their online resources are. You know, we might have a, might find they've actually got a. Yeah. Doesn't look like they have the book on. Sometimes it's just finding it. Isn't it finding it? Then it may not actually be online or. Yeah. That person may have accessed it at the, at the actual, you know, the societies. Yes. Yeah. And then what you could do is you can create a, I mean the citation. It gives you what you need to know as it is swim. It could be a little, a little more robust. You could include public publisher date and publisher and data publication. And what I'll do is all, but it's fine as it is. It's not clear what they, what exactly that citation is telling you either, you know, it's, it's not linked to a particular piece in the biography. So it's difficult to know what, what exactly that, that page would have told you. So. That was my question. What does that page tell us? Yeah. Cause strictly speaking, in the citation, you should have enough so that it links to a particular thing in the biography so that you know that that, that that's where you got that information from. So that's why we, that's why we prefer in what we call inline citations rather than putting the citations at the bottom. But for new people, it's often easier to just put the citations at the bottom until they get used to knowing how to do the inline citations. So what I put in the chat is a link to a free space page that I have developed over time of just useful things to remember with Wiki code. And it has some things on how to, how to cite a newspaper article, how to cite a book, how to, you know, so, and it's just my version that I think there are many of us who have a similar cheat sheet. So please, please, make use of it if it's helpful for you. And would you remind me how, how I saved the chat? Let's see. How do we save the chat? Probably under, no. Chat. It's usually those three little things at the bottom. I know, but I'm not seeing that. You see, for me, it saves it automatically. I can see the three little dots over at the right. And I thought, oh, wait, I got it. No. I can see the three little dots and then it says save chat above it. So I've clicked on the three little dots, but it doesn't say save chat. But we're host and co-host. Maybe. Oh, no. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe because I have captions on. Show chat previews. No. Mine also says save chat when I click on the three dots. Okay. But you don't see that Barbara. No, I don't. And I've, I've, I've clicked on it before I asked the question because I thought that would work. And now my question is. Because I have captions on. I've clicked on it before I asked the question. I've clicked on it before I asked the question. Does that affect it? Well, Barbara, what, I mean, I, I know that I will get it. Get the chat saved because it always does it for me. And I can send it to you in a message. Thank you. I'm clicking on the three dots because I thought that's what you did. But I've tried that and it hasn't worked. So I thought, well, I must have forgotten. Yeah. Yeah. You are looking at the three dots in the chat and not on the screen, aren't you? The three dots. That's what I've clicked on. And it's not working for me. Okay. Well, we have a workaround. Okay. One, one other. We're over time. I don't want to. I don't want to delay you. I had, I had one other question, but I'll save it for another time. Okay. Or feel free to send me a, well, I'll cut, we'll be connected when I send you the chat. And then you can send me your question. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I think we will wrap it up now. Let me, uh, don't go anywhere. I'll stop the recording and I'll say before I, before I stop recording to thank all of you for coming. And to say we will not have new member sessions in November. Due to wiki tree, the wiki tree symposium. And wiki tree day, which is running Thursday, November 2nd to Sunday, November 5th. So, um, I am going to have a session on wiki tree day, which is on the fifth, um, which is going to be for the brand hot off the press wiki tree member and like getting set up with all, you know, the basics so that you can navigate, you know, more easily things like G to G and your profile and filing, following tags, that sort of thing. So I'd love to see some of you there for that. And I'll be available on replay too. And, and then we'll be back as scheduled normally in December. Would you send me the information about when, when that session is for the really new people. Yes. Yeah. And then also, um, I will put this in the chat. Yeah. Um, where's the chat? There we go. Um, this is sort of our clearing house page, the new member Q and A via zoom, uh, free space page. So, um, I try and keep that really up to date and it'll take you to the latest G to G link, the YouTube recordings, when they become available, um, you know, serve a one stop thing. Yeah. Sure. And I will also thank you very much to everyone who's watching afterwards. So, um, we'll sign off now. And stop there. Thanks very much. Thanks.