 I just want to read the two verses before we start. One is from Proverbs 22 and verse 1 and it says, A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches, loving favor than silver and gold. A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches and loving favor than silver or gold. So it talks about a good name meaning a good testimony or a good reputation and that's far more valuable than great riches, than material riches and so on. And then we see something in the book of Revelation, Revelation chapter 3 where this is to the church in Sardis, the message which goes out. This is verse 1. These things says, He who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars, I know your works that you have a name that you are alive but you are dead. So it's talking about a name, both these verses talk about a name, a testimony and a reputation and definitely it is something that is valuable as we see in Proverbs that it's something that's required especially as a follower of Christ, something that we need. But it's here Revelation 3 and verse 1 talks about a true evaluation or a true reputation. Like one can have a reputation and a name. What is a reputation? It's something that someone thinks of us. It could be honor, it could be something, a popularity, fame, whatever, something that and understanding that someone else has about you. That is a reputation. He has a reputation for being kind. One has a reputation for being angry or it could be anything, any attribute. So they have a reputation which means something that these people, one lives consistently or displays consistently. So they have a reputation. Now here in this verse, we have, God is saying you have a reputation. So maybe a good name, maybe that this is great, this is fantastic, whatever. It's talking about collectively a group of people. You have a reputation. What is a reputation? That you are, that you are alive. You have a reputation. People are watching and saying, wow, this is fantastic. This is awesome. But you are dead. So the true reputation is always something that comes from God. A true evaluation, true assessment of our condition, of our state is something that comes from God and that is something that is to be chosen. That is something that we need to pursue. That is to be esteemed above everything else. So as we pray, we just pray a lot. I just want to have a correct evaluation, a correct assessment of myself, not based on who people say I am, who people think I am, or sometimes we can just be swayed by that, but Lord, what you say or who you say that we are, that is a true assessment of ourselves. So let's pray. Father, we thank you Lord, that you are the one who is full of grace and full of truth. Lord, we thank you that grace and truth come together. Lord, in who you are and what you speak. And Lord, this morning I pray that you will pronounce over us grace and truth, Father God. A true evaluation, a true assessment Lord of who we are. Lord, our reputation could be so different based on people's assessments, but Lord, you know us. And Lord, I pray that let grace and mercy, grace and truth, Lord, be extended today, will be poured out on each one of us today, Father God. And even as you Lord see us, even as you speak, Lord and declare and pronounce who we are, God, we know that it is a redemptive thing, God. When you say that we are not measuring up, we know it is redemptive. It's not to break us, Lord. And when we say the good and faithful, Lord, we know it is so that we can go further, God. So I pray that let your pronouncement of grace and mercy, Lord, be upon us today, Father God. Spirit of God, speak to us in the inner man. Write your word upon our hearts. We thank you. In Jesus' matchless name, we pray. Amen. Amen. Okay. I'm just going to share the notes. And so Christian leadership, where did we stop last time? I think we stopped at transition, like during that challenging, oh, we finished that. Okay. We were looking at efficiency, efficiency and productivity. So some of the practical things, right? How can I be even more productive? And the whole thing, premise for that is what we see in John 15, where the Lord is looking for fruit. The Lord is looking for productivity, right? That our lives will be fruitful, productive. Okay. And that we will be efficient in whatever we do. Okay. So we looked at that time box and, you know, that 18 minute to-do list, Peter Bregman, the template is also there on this, you know, in the course material resource material section. So you can check that out. E-learning students, it'll be uploaded. It's not yet uploaded. It'll be uploaded when you watch this video, right? Okay. Okay. So, continuing with some of the practical things said, you know, the fourth one that we see is that do the most important work during the best working hours. Now, the most important work is something that we assign importance or prioritize, right? It is something that is critical. Okay. Now, it need not be always urgent. Okay. Sometimes we think, okay, urgent work is the most important work, right? It need not be, right? The most important work is something that is critical and not doing it will have bad consequences. Okay. So do the most important work. The most important work need not be something that you greatly enjoy, you know, in every, in every, even in ministry, we have certain things that we need to do. Maybe it's communication, maybe it's report, maybe it's, you know, that's not as exciting, right? Exciting things could be okay, you know, sharing the word, administering and leading worship and all that. But we have other things which need to be done, the administrative side of it, organizational side of it, which may or may not be exciting to you, right? But it's important and leading that undone will have consequences, bad consequences, right? So do it during the best working hour. What is the best working hour when we are alert, when we have energy, right? When we are mind is sharp. So do it when our, when our, you know, decision making is clear. Do it during the best working hours. Okay. Then important work, challenging work, both putting it together. The sixth one is you do what you do best. Okay. So which means that, you know, not everybody is skilled at everything. Yes or no? Yeah. So we have certain skills, we have certain strengths. And when we look around, maybe we look at the team and we see that others have some other things that they are, you know, they are skilled with, they are gifted with. So whatever things that you need to do, that only you can do, right? In church, in ministry, right? In the team, you do it, right? You don't compromise on that, right? That's the thing that you're skilled for, gifted for your call to, and that's your primary role and responsibility. Do it, right? But what are the other things that you can delegate to others? What does delegate mean? Sorry? Assign, hand over, right, those tasks, which others can do it with others cast skill, right? So it'll be an opportunity for them. And so you can actually delegate that, right? So now the challenge is, okay, when we know that, okay, this is not my strength at all, it's easy to delegate, saying, please, you know, do this, get this done. But when you, let's say you are skilled in multiple things, and that's when the tendency is to, okay, let me try and do it all, right? I'll do this, I'll do that also. I mean, now we realize that we have only so much time, and only so much we can actually put our full efforts into, right, within that time. So we need to decide, okay, what is it that I can delegate, hand over, okay? Rest and refresh, exercise, for personal, you know, and that's the next one, personal strength, but for increased efficiency, rest and refreshing is always required. We cannot function like a machine, right? We, our mind needs rest, our body needs rest, and we can be refreshed when we refreshed, when we are refreshed, we can actually look at the challenges or problems that need to be solved. We can look at it with renewed strength, and we look at it in a fresh manner. You know, sometimes you just say, okay, I'll, I'll decide in the morning, right? Just need to rest, let me not think about it or try and solve it now, because the body needs rest, the mind is rest, and that's the perfect time to make mistakes, right? So we can rest and then be refreshed and do it, right? Exercise in order to increase efficiency, exercise goes physically, increase our strength, and it affects us. We are interconnected, spirit, soul and body, right? So when we are physically at a good place, it affects us emotionally and spiritually as well, okay? Right? Okay, maintaining personal strength physically, spiritually, it's important for us to stay renewed. It's our responsibility, nobody will do it for us, okay? So we might have bigger challenges, bigger tasks, etc., but we need to make sure that we are renewed spiritually, okay? And renewal happens in the presence of God, Isaiah 40 talks about that. Isaiah 30, also 15, in returning and rest, you shall be saved in quietness and confidence, shall be your strength, okay? So, you know, just like this morning, during the mentoring hour, what we looked at, you know, we need to renew ourselves and do that first thing, what really matters in order to, you know, that's the main thing, right? We can, because in the business of it, we can actually get into the details of the task, details of the work and lose sight of why we are doing, who we are doing it for, right? And we need to be spiritually renewed to keep that going, okay? Keep learning, keep growing, you know, listen to sermons, read books, okay? So that's another thing, you know, when we are in a student mode or student kind of a season, it's easier to do this. But when we are in a ministry or a working professional kind of a season role, then again, we need to, you know, intentionally do this, okay? To keep learning and keep growing, no matter what season of life, you know, we are in, to be curious, to be interested, to learn, okay? Because when we stop learning, when we stop reading, you know, then we stop growing, right? So that's the thing, if you look at children, children are very interested, right? Very curious. And I remember, you know, being a, you know, being like that, asking, what is that? Why is this, you know, to all the grown-ups around, you know, why is this? But then over a period of time, we just stopped, right? We stopped maybe thinking, okay, maybe this is a dumb question. You know, what will they think of me if I ask this question? And we stop, of course, we don't have to necessarily ask people, but we can actually find out, check, right? Yeah. And find out on the online, you know, what is it? We can always do that, right? So there's so much we can learn and we can grow, okay? Again, just to repeat, take time to exercise, rest. Be thankful for everything that the Lord has done. You know, it's when we, especially when we look at, okay, the bigness of the vision, okay, the size of the goal or the extent to which we need to actually reach in order to achieve the goal, we can actually be very dissatisfied sometimes. You know, we go back home thinking, okay, I have 101 things to do, more to do, and I've only done so much, right? And been a very, in a place of dissatisfaction, but look at the Lord has done. How far the Lord has brought you, brought maybe the team, the ministry, and be thankful for it, right? And keep the vision refreshed, you know, like we said, the vision, when we talk about vision, vision has this, you know, we are human and we have this capacity to forget, we have the capacity to be distracted, right? So keep the vision refreshed, revisit, go back, maybe you've written down, you know, go back to it again, okay? So that's about about keeping ourselves fresh, keeping our strength renewed. So, you know, about the transition, you know, now at some time, at some point, we need to pass on, pass on the baton, you know, baton is something that we, if you see a relay race, you know, that's colorful thing which they use, that's the baton. So it's passed on. So here it talks about responsibility, it talks about maybe the role, right? So this is a quote from pastor that we had Pastor Ashish heard many years ago, it says your success and ministry is incomplete if you do not raise successors. Also, the day you begin is the day you should start planning your departure, okay? So which talks about raising leaders and whatever God has written you, okay? Like, and this is true of each and every individual, a lot teaches, a lot reveals, a lot anoints, a lot, you know, puts in our spirit, like one of the things and it's not just for our own consumption or for us to walk in, but it's also to be passed on, right? It could be for family members, it could be for, you know, the team, right? But it needs to be passed on. Otherwise, it will stay locked in and it will, once you're gone, you know, it'll just go with you, right? So and the Lord's thing is that he wants to pass on to others. We see that over and over again, right? Like Psalm 71 verse 17, the Psalmist says, Lord, you've taught me from my youth and to this day I declare your wonders works, right? He's a, you know, he says I'm old, I'm gray-headed, you know, don't forsake me until I declare your strength to this generation, okay? So to this generation, the present generation, and he says your power to everyone who is to come, you know, the next generation also, right? So which means that, you know, that we can intentionally, you know, raise up leaders, raise our paths on what we have received to the next generation and to another generation, right? Whatever God has put in our hearts and maybe God, you know, puts us in positions of leadership and ministry, what we have received to pass on that. To Timothy Paul says, you, therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. Second Timothy two, verses one and two. And the things which you have heard from me, okay? It's Timothy Paul is again a previous generation, right? Heard from me among many witnesses, commit these two faithful men who will be able to teach us also. So this thing of passing on is there throughout, right? Okay, sorry. Yeah, okay. And at the right time, you know, if you raise up leaders, you, we can actually step aside and not disconnect, but step aside so that they can do the work and we can provide insight and provide direction and so on. Okay. Okay, so lastly, you know, in this section, one thing that we can do is have a plan for our lives. Okay, so then say, okay, I'm still waiting on God and God has to reveal, God has to show me. He has to, you know, provide the details, etc. But we can actually sit with God and actually plan through. Okay. Like we said, planning is not unscriptural. Planning is good. And we think of planning when we think of, you know, maybe organizing something, arranging a meeting, you know, those things we think about planning finances and so on. What about the plan for our lives or what about a life plan? Okay. Okay, maybe right now, you're in a certain, you know, season, meaning as a student, okay, I'm in as a student and in a season of life. And this is my age range or this is the age that I'm in. Okay, so what is the plan for, you know, the next five years, the next 10 years, the next 15 years, the next 20 years, you know, is it okay to think like that or not okay, do you think? Is it okay to think? Yeah. Okay. So, so it doesn't, you know, like, in James, we see, okay, go to you who's saying, okay, where's that scripture we go to, you know, so, you know, James talks about presumptuous, you know, he says, okay, you're saying, okay, you'll do this, we'll do that. And we're doing things presumptuously. But I'm just looking at that verse. Yeah, verse 13, chapter 4, come now, you who say, today or tomorrow, we will go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy, sell, and make a profit. And whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow, what is your life? Is it not even a vapor? Which appears for a little time and then vanishes away. So then we read that and say, okay, no, no planning. No planning. I just look for the day one day at a time, you know, that famous song, one day at a time, Lord Jesus. Verse 15, it says, instead, you ought to say, if the Lord wills, we shall live and do this. Okay, so the thing is that verse 16 is the thing that he's saying we should not do. He's not against planning or, you know, we should plan with God, we should plan, you know, get his ideas, get his dreams for us. Definitely, that's the scriptural way to go about. Verse 16 says, looking at James 4 verse 16, now you boast in your arrogance and all such boasting is evil. So definitely, no, we're not boasting when we say, okay, five years from now, this is what I'd like to do, this is what I want to do. So boasting in arrogance is something that we want to definitely want to get into. But in humility, considering God, leaning on God, leaning on his wisdom and planning out, right, it's definitely something that is something that we can do. Okay, yeah. I think the, okay, Anand's question is, okay, or rather not question, this remark is that we can't do it for our own whole life, right? Okay, so the thing is this, you know, we can have an outline, we can have a plan. And, you know, for some people, God works things in, let's say, certain chunks of time, like maybe every, sorry, no, no, in the sense that God, you know, takes us through seasons. And maybe there are some big changes which happen every, maybe every six years or every four years, every five years, whatever, you know, some changes. So we can plan accordingly. Okay, let's say you've spent about three years here. And, you know, what does the, what does the next three years look like? Yeah. So the thing is, so the thing is to have a, okay, you have some dreams, you have some desires, right? Oh, okay, God, I think I want to do this, you know, maybe focus on work, ministry, whatever it is. And God has spoken, you know, in terms of, or God has, you know, gifted you and I introduced you and you feel that, okay, I need to do this. Or, you know, I need to learn, I need to study more, whatever it is. But the thing is to actually sit and write it down, pray about it, write it down. Okay, next four years, this is what I'd like to do. Next, the, the years after that, this is what I'd like to do. And we can, we can actually do it. You know, we can write down till, I don't know, you know, you just keep going, right? And the thing is that God will give you the insight, God will give us the input to fill in the details. Okay, the thing is when we sit with God, when we pray, sit with him and then, you know, fill this out, you know, or make that broad outline, you know, many times we see that, you know, that is what God is actually leading. And the good thing about making an outline is like that, or a plan, plan like that is that, you know, in that season, you can actually intentionally step into focus on certain things. Let's say now, you know, you decided, okay, three years, I'm going to do this course. So what, what happened? You know, you're able to focus your energy plan, and then, you know, everything into equipping like into learning. This is what I'm going to do. But what if we are saying, okay, I'm not sure I'm getting into this, I'm not sure whether I should be doing this or that, you know, during this three, four years, then we're not able to actually intentionally put our efforts, right? Am I in the right place? You know, if you're going to be that, you know, definitely, you know, first year, first few weeks, or even first few months, there might be a question, you know, am I in the right place? Am I doing the right thing? You know, all my friends are doing something else. They are, you know, maybe doing MS and whatnot. You know, am I in the right place? You know, and if I lose this period of time, all these questions, right? But then God reassures, God reaffirms. And then we go on, right? So it's good to, you know, plan out. And some suggestions are that we can actually do it for decades, you know, 10 years, and so on, or a shorter frame of time, right? But it's good to do that. Okay, so why don't we take five minutes? Yeah, okay, question. Change it. Yeah, so yeah, make it happen. Or also, you know, not change it, rearrange it. So it's not a water type thing. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, give me a, yeah, you give me the desire, give me the desire to, you know, confirm it, give me the desire, give me the, and God does that, right? And the Lord, he's the one who, you know, puts those seeds in our hearts, you know, if you can, if you can think of, you know, those desires, those things that, that keep growing, like a plant, you know, God put those seeds in our heart, at maybe an early age or maybe a few years ago, and those things keep growing, right? Let me just share a sample, okay, of what we can look at. Okay, this is something that we studied on a Sunday morning in church. But I don't know if you guys were also there, our students are also there. Okay, so I'll upload this also for us. Okay, so purpose, stages, plans, pursuits, okay, four things. What is the purpose? Okay, so we write it, it's going to take some time, right? Stage, plan and pursuit, okay, the columns are stage. What stage of life am I in? Okay, let's say if it's, it's age where it's 20s to 30s or even beyond that, okay, I'm growing, okay, I'm establishing something, making firm something, okay, this is just an example, just an outline, a suggestion, right, then plan, you know, grow into the next level in all these, in all these areas. What are those areas that you want to step up to the next level? What is that we want to establish? Pursuits, okay, we can break it down, spiritual life, personal life, family, children, you know, if you're married and finances, profession, ministry, if it's applicable, okay, so we can break it down and say, and we can actually write down, okay. Maybe a good thing is to, you know, start by planning for the year, right, or maybe plan for the next year now, now that we are already into the year, I mean, we can plan for the remainder of the year or, you know, plan for the next year and say, okay, God, this is something that I want to see, okay. Now, sometimes what happens is that, yeah, so, you know, the thing is you listen to God, right, we, we've all learned to, you know, hear God's voice, be mindful of, you know, how he leads us and so on. We've been learning that and that's what we do, right, braining our spirit, I think that whole thing of the human spirit is to train our spirit to receive from God, right, to be sensitive, okay, so, so we do that, you know, leaning into God, seeking him, pursuing him and saying, God, what are you saying, you know, what is it that I can put down, what is it that I, that you want me to do now. Now, it's, it's important that we do that because otherwise time can go by, okay, time can go by and we will just live, you know, according to the day, whatever catches our attention, whatever is urgent, like we will just live it and suddenly we realize that, okay, time has gone by, you know, time just keeps flowing, right, but if we actually plan and say, okay, I want to intentionally pursue these things, right, however big, however small it could be, I want to intentionally pursue this, I want to see this, then there will be a sense of accomplishment, right, and you see that we are moving further into what God has for us, okay, so, yeah, so, yeah, so that's something, any questions or any thoughts, right, and there's a few thoughts here about bursting the purposes of God that we've already, you know, something that's a reiteration of what we already know, so I just wanted to share that, I'll put this up again, right, okay, working on a life plan, no questions, okay, would you like to, maybe take five minutes to do it, okay, maybe not, I mean, I'll leave it to you, but then at least plan for, let's look at, do you have something for, for this year, you have, okay, you already, okay, for the year, okay, so then why don't you, those of you who already, you know, put something up for this year, why don't we look beyond that, okay, look beyond that, beyond that year, okay, look beyond 2024, look at 2025, 2026, 2027, okay, maybe, sorry, 25 also, okay, then you, yeah, he's already, then I think you can actually take a break, take a coffee break, no, actually, what you can do is look beyond that, 2024, 25 is done, maybe, you know, you can look at 2026 and 2027, beyond the, others also, you know, if you have, don't have for this year, then look at this year and look, look at one more year, okay, and see, okay, what are some things that, what are my plans, okay, what is it that I want to be established in my life, what are some things that I want to pursue, break it down, okay, these are some goals that I want to see and, and just, you know, let's take some time to write it or, you know, put it on a notepad or, you know, put it on your, on your phone, whatever, right, you already written it down, is it, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, maybe you can look at, okay, God, what are some areas that you want me to focus, okay, that should help us, right, what are some areas that you want me to focus, what are some things to be built, what are some things to be broken, you know, whatever, right, change, personally, and, and look, look at that, you know, look at, and be, be free to dream, right, so don't be afraid, because many times we are scared, yes, we're scared, many times we, we, we've not, God wants us to dream, God wants us to dream big, but we, we look at limitations, we look at, you know, maybe expectations of people, whatever, you know, disappointments, we look at the past, experience of the past and we say, okay, it's okay, you know, I'll just get by today, today what I can do, yeah, obviously, you know, we, we have pressures to do certain things today, that will always be there, but let's pull back, you know, zoom out and see what is it for, you know, whatever time frame that you think, right, okay, we're just going to take five minutes to do that, okay, online students also, same thing, just, let's do that, okay, and in the meantime, I can just put this for us, you can go through, you said you've already written it, so you think of the years ahead, after 2025, yeah, yeah, what you would like to do and, you know, we looked at those areas, right, we looked at, okay, you know, in terms of ministry, personally, financially, right, I know these things are interlinked, but you just put down, okay, what God is putting in your heart, just write down, right, yeah, okay, any progress, anything filled out or not yet, sorry, what? In progress, okay, yeah, so we can put down life goals, you know, this is, you know, where I'd like to be, this is what I want to be, there's nothing wrong, like, nothing wrong in doing that, and yeah, I love God to lead us into all these areas, right, okay, and then we realize that, okay, our own mind is, you know, limiting, limiting us, right, and many times, what comes to our mind is, okay, it cannot be done, or, you know, there's a lot of negativity that comes, right, it's not like, I don't know, you know, many times it happens, but we just need to push past that, push past that negativity, push past that, you know, and then begin to look at it the way God would see it, you know, God has a dream for us, yes or no, yeah, and he's, and he's, the Bible declares that he rejoices over us with singing, so he has a plan, you know, just like how, you know, when you're a parent, you realize that you want good things for your child, you know, you want your child to flourish, go further than you had ever gone and be better at things, and so, same way, our Heavenly Father, you know, has those dreams for us, right, so we just need to think that way, you know, I get God's perspective, okay, about my life, about my family, about, you know, all these things, you know, what is your plan, God, you know, what is your, because you have these good things, right, so help me and put it together so that, you know, every now and then we can look at it, maybe end of a year or end of that time frame, look at it and say, okay, now here is where I need to make adjustments, here is where, you know, maybe I kind of slow down, you know, on this or I lost fire for this, or I got distracted now, maybe I need to make those course corrections and keep going, okay, okay, so I just, I just shift things a bit and go into the next section, which is about winning with people, it's about people, when it comes to leadership, when it comes to ministry, we see that it is about people, right, sorry, like we looked at the scripture today about the scribe, sorry, the scribe going to the Lord Jesus and asking, okay, God, what is this, what is the great commandment, the Lord gives two, right, two statements, one is, love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your strength and the second one is to love others, love others as yourself, loving God, loving people, so we see that in a nutshell, in a nutshell, that is, that is what life and ministry is, if you look at it, you just, you know, brought it all together in that one, one or two verses, loving God, loving people, okay, so when you look at, you know, leadership, leadership and ministry, it's about this, right, loving God, loving people, so, well, loving God is easy because he never changes, right, he's the same yesterday, today and forever, loving God is good because, you know, he's a good God, we can trust him, you know, but loving people on the other hand is, is a challenge, what do I really say, it's, it is difficult, it is a challenge, right, because, you know, for how people are, right, and we forget that we are also one such good person, you know, we're also part of that group called people, right, so, yeah, so leadership involves people, ministry involves people, and when we say people, you know, then obviously there is a connect or relationship, right, so as a, as a leader, if I need to lead people, then I need to establish a relationship, and if I want to be a, you know, leader, we said it's a, a leader is someone who has a, you know, influences people for their good, right, who influences people for their good, the good of the, for themselves and good of the, you know, the cause of the ministry or whatever you're leading, right, so, so that's, that's, that's the basis for, you know, us when it comes to relating to people, so we need to understand that yes, ministry will involve people, leadership will involve people, okay, so I, as a leader, I need to maybe grow in my understanding of people, right, grow in my knowledge of how can I relate to people better, right, and so how can I win with people and how can it be a win situation for them and how can it be a win for me as well, you know, as a person who's leading, right, it cannot be just a winning scenario just for me as a leader, you know, let's say a formal relationship like a work scenario, you know, formal leader, you know, established, you know, your role is a formal role as a leader, so it cannot be just a win for you, in a sense, I've reached, you know, the company has reached this goal, we have got this profit and then what about the people, right, is it a win for them also, have they also achieved some objectives for themselves, right, have they also benefited in terms of remuneration financially and, and all that, right, so, you know, some of this, what are we sharing, okay, yeah, I have a question, okay, so what are we sharing is from this book by John C Maxwell, Winning with People, how many of you have read any of any books by John C Maxwell, Leadership, no, I think it's a must read, probably I'll share that also, some PDFs by John C Maxwell, John C Maxwell started off as a pastor and, and a pastor of a big, you know, quite a big church actually, and then he felt the calling to the workplace, right, so he, especially when it comes to leadership and so on, so he started this whole ministry called Enjoy, I-N-J-O-Y, enjoy ministries and all about leadership, right, from a Christian biblical perspective, right, so whatever he's, he puts out as leadership material is from a very strong biblical Christian standpoint, right, and, and, and some very good stuff, you know, very, very good material, both in terms of management principles and leadership principles and so on, so his, his book 21, I think 21 Steps to Leadership, I forget the name of the title, but you know, it's a, it's a must read for, you know, all of us, he's written on teamwork also, okay, so you know, some of these things that we can look at, okay, that is, how do we get ready to relate to people, right, focusing on others, building trust, nurturing relationships and creating win-win situations or relationships where everybody is benefited, okay, so we'll go through that in the coming classes, your question, you had a, no, you went? Yes, yes, we want to thank you so much. Yeah. We can't, we can't win the situation by commanding them and getting out of them, we may lose them, people also, but how we can make that out of them, people are so rigid. Hmm, so we need to find out why, why are they rigid, why are they not performing, like, why are they not achieving, because the thing is, you know, with, when, when I'm in a place, let's say, I'm gainfully employed and it's not just the money, right, it's, it's a, it's a sense of achievement, accomplishment, satisfaction that I get from doing the job well, so is the job challenging enough, is the task challenging enough, or am I not using my potential, my skills and abilities, right, so these are some things that we need to look at to see why are people not performing and, and therefore, when, when, when, you know, when, when a person is, all these things come together, when a person is in the right place, and they are, you know, they are using their skills and talents and everything, that particular thing, role, and it, it results in a sense of achievement and accomplishment for them, they are content, then they will actually perform, it's a win for them personally, and it's a win for, you know, the leader, because you are reaching your goals, and it's a win for the organization, because the organization goals are also met, right, so, so yeah, the thing is to address that, why, you know, why is it, you know, maybe it's not the right person for that job, for that role, maybe they're not skilled enough, do they have the tools to get the job done, they could meant to get the job done, why are they frustrated, right, so, so those are some things that we need to address to create a win-win situation, yeah, okay, so thank you, we'll catch up again, next class, bye-bye.