 Do you believe in our ability to leverage science in the sense that there's all of these new technological methodologies that exist, including fMRI, EEG, EKG, the samples of the microbiome, do you believe in our ability to have a biometric correlate to a non-dual state of awareness? What would a biometric correlate look like? Yeah, yeah. So it would be something like a, for example, with brain, it would be like a connectome harmonic. And so that would be like the total of all of your chemo-electro-connectomics are in a harmonic state of resonance. Maybe with your heart, it would be that you have a higher heart rate variability versus a lower heart rate variability for something that's more stressed in that sense. So there are these biomarkers for cortisol or there are these biomarkers for more blissful or meditative or peaceful states of consciousness, states of awareness. So do you see science potentially helping with a biometric correlate of a more awakened, aware, enlightened states of being? Science may discover correlates that indicate the one's state of mind. But whether they will help, whether those discoveries will actually help in the recognition we're speaking of, I am not so sure. It's, you were so optimistic earlier, Rupert. No, I am very optimistic. I just don't feel that these correlates that scientists may or may not find in the brain are helpful either as indicators or more importantly as means to the recognition of our true nature. If we look, if we want some measure of the indication or some measure of our establishment in our true nature, I'm not sure that looking at a brain scan is the place to look. We should look to the extent to which we are at peace and happy for no reason. That would be a better test. Imperturbable peace and causeless joy. Oh, imperturbable peace and causeless joy. I adore that. Yeah, well, because you know, this, to recognize the nature of ourself is, is so simple, Alan. It's been mystified and complexified and, and obscured not by the founders of the great religious and spiritual traditions, but by their followers who did not understand or only partially understood their teaching or all that is necessary to go back to them beginning about conversation. Is this metaphorical undressing this, this removing, it's not even necessary to remove our thoughts, feelings, activities and relationships, all it is in other words, it's not necessary to change our experience or manipulate it in any way. All that is necessary is to see that element of ourself which cannot be taken away from us to see that which is essential to us, not our thoughts, not our feelings, sensations, perceptions, activities, relationships, all of these appear and disappear on the screen of awareness, but the awareness is the, the essential and irreducible nature of ourself and this is something that is simple. Everyone can recognize it simply by virtue of the fact that everyone is aware and everyone can, can simply, it's not, as I said, it's not necessary to reject the content of experience. All that is necessary is to relax the focus of our attention from its content and just, just relax back into the fact of being aware which is the, the ever present and inherently peaceful background of all experience. That's all. And to begin with that, this background of awareness, it seems to be a place that we visit from time to time and then we get lost in the content of experience again, but in time it ceases that the back and forth between the background of awareness and the foreground of experience ceases and we begin to be, what Krishna Menon called, we begin to be established in our true nature, we cease just to visit from time to time the, the peace of the background, we, we live there, we abide there, we still face experience, we still have to deal with our, our everyday experience, but everything we think and feel and in time our subsequent activities and relationships are informed by and are an expression of this background of, of peace and unconditional joy. I love that always a work in progress in the sense of always becoming more and more established. And I think that's, that's, that's very important in, in making it easier for people to feel like it's not a far off thing. Yeah. Yeah. Not only is it not a far off thing, our, our being is, is closer to us than our most intimate and precious feelings. It is not even close to us. It, it is us. Yeah. Yeah. And getting, getting our entire world on that closer, closer, closer, and hopefully we have been over time getting time, getting closer and closer to that. And then, and then being your unique artistry from that is, I think the, the general essence of where we got in, in much of this. Yes. Yes. Well, all of us who, who are interested in these matters, you and I and all your viewers and yours as well, express our understanding such as it is in a way that is unique to us. You know, I do it through speaking and writing. I used to do it in my, my studio, but there, there are so many ways. So many ways. Eight million. Eight million ways. Some of them require a lot of form, a lot of content. They involve speaking or writing or, or your lovely drawings on the wall behind it. Other people may not express this understanding in form that they may just abide, just rest. Yeah. And they, they are the ones that, that communicate this understanding silently. Yes. And I'm sure that we all know. Yes. What it's like to, to be in the company of someone who is at ease, who is at peace. Yes. Who, who does not feel that they lack anything irrespective of how wealthy or impoverished they may be. How powerful it is to be in the company of such a person and how, when we go home, we feel somehow blessed just by being with them. We may have chatted about the weather or politics or dinner or we may not have spoken directly about these matters as you and I have done. And they may, such people may never speak directly about these matters, but they communicate this understanding silently. And, and that their communication, their contribution to humanity is just as valuable as those of us that express this understanding in more formalized ways, like you and I. Yes. And as, as we say in, in music, what makes music music is the silence between the notes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.