 welcome to what are you saying hashtag ways where we talk about topics in the news as it affects us all. I am Uti Elu and today I'm joined by none and other super amazing Miss Dilda. How are you today? I'm good thank you. How are you? I'm very well thank you. Good good. Good to see you and we're also joined online by the beautiful Norma Efana. Hi Norma. Hi Uti. Hi Dilda. Hi. How are you doing? Good thank you. Well thank you. How are you? Happy new month. Yes, I know right. Happy workers' day. I don't know if you really want to tell me when we're around. You know like I like to say we have a saying on ways that we're glad and we're happy that we don't look how we feel so I know I know I know what it can be like I know what the days can feel like even though this was supposed to be a long weekend it was today was supposed to be a public holiday it doesn't feel like it like I'm literally struggling to keep my eyes open so thank you. It should make for a very interesting week to try and find some ways to sneak some extra sleep in and just you know recalibrate yourself but you come into the long weekend thinking oh this is going to be great this gonna be fantastic and then all of a sudden a flash it's like oh it's Tuesday tomorrow there's work but you know we've had I think it's back to back right last Monday was a public holiday well so this is I think this is the last one for a while now yes so till June 12th I think is the next one yes so for us workers work we're counting down I'm excited I haven't been on the show on a Monday in a very long time very very long time it's going to be a new experience for me today is what we like to call or what I like to call long ways governance Mondays so we take our time to try and educate our viewers and you know the general populace about the important things surrounding Nigeria surrounding our governance surrounding our political system and really just getting people up to speed on what you should know as a gaitful member of the office of a citizen of Nigeria so today right population and housing census is the official and complete count of all persons and housing units in a country at a specified time the National Population Commission plan to conduct another census 17 years after the 2006 census the census previously scheduled for May 3rd to 7th of this year 2023 has been postponed and in partnering with EIE Nigeria we would discuss the reasons why the census should be postponed so okay so I mean here we have lack of proper awareness and publicity and this is very true because I mean citizens have they've not really been fully you know informed on the various census activities such as whether or not there will be a public holiday I mean with less than a week to the census how the National Population Council intends to use personal digital assistant technology to collect data and then of course all that FAQs the census questions that people given the last experience with the election you can understand why absolutely yeah yeah yeah yeah then there is also financial concerns you know in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act of 2011 and in the spirit of transparency and accountability the NPC should provide breakdown of the 18 of the 896 billion you know for the census you know that was budgeted for the census amount release utilized and cashback a published breakdown of the amount disbursed to the 774 local governments and the 36 states plus the FCT for the census very important there for a measure of accountability because there's a huge trust issue that we have so that would really go a long way to getting people to see that there's a measure of accountability there. Noma do you have something to add for us? Oh yeah briefly I mean just talking about it I was having this conversation with my husband and what he kept asking is I'm hearing that there's going to be a census is there really going to be census and it's only how there's going to be something as huge as a national census and a majority of the people who are going to be numbered in this exercise have no idea that this is going to take place yeah it was just another you know let down of of our government and our system how we do things in Nigeria how do people not how are how is it that people are not aware that such an exercise huge exercise is going to take place but I'll take it off from where Dela stopped and that's on the reliability of the personal digital assistance as it creates to collect the data now people are going to be concerned even because you're using tools you know technology and with hindsight from the experience during the elections with the malfunction of the eye with people it's still being a ball down to trust issues people are still distrusting of the system in Nigeria because they're telling them oh we're doing this and we're doing that and you're not really giving them the information that informs them and helps them to to make those decisions you know decisive choices for them and their families or people that they're responsible for so the postponement I mean go figure it's a no brainer there how do you do something and you are not sensitizing the people gradually this is something that sensitization should have started since last year telling people this exercise is going to take place and so to enlighten people and let them know what the expectations are so these are other unresolved issues and what are leading to this postponement of the census and I mean it's it's I'm short of saying that it's disgraceful that we keep showing of unprepared is sit up to the international front every time it just seems like these people do not have their acts together and they're not serious it's just very unfortunate with the government that we are seeing today I mean I'm glad for one that at least they've postponed it I mean they could have just gone ahead to say you know what we're just going to go ahead and do it so I'm glad that it was postponed it at least shows that there's a measure of thoughts behind it and planning and to be fair a census is a huge exercise there are lots of moving parts I think this this is the second time the data be moved I think the first time it was moved it was moved because of the election and it's been moved again so to me that sort of says to me that like people are really thinking through what needs to be done but definitely on the side of sensitization so many people didn't know about the census I remember asking in terms of continuity you know at work to say okay what's happening and you some people are like oh there's a census I'm not sure somebody like oh there's a census so the the awareness and the fact that you know to actually have a successful count you need to restrict movement sometimes you know you need people to be where they're supposed to be to be able to count them so a lot of work that's that still needs to be done of course this information is being brought to you by the office of the citizen with the enough is enough Nigeria initiative so we would also like you to learn more and there's a great way that you can do that you can chat with the office of the citizen chat spot who is your new assistant on civic engagement and can give you basic information about who your elected officials are and so much more so if you want to learn more please chat hello via WhatsApp to 017006381 I'll take that number again it's 017006381 and just send hello and you be able to chat and get as much information as you want so that's quite an interesting conversation on the census but on with the show so here's what we found is today's quote ethics is not definable it's not implementable because it is not conscious it involves not only thinking but also our feeling and that's by Val de Ma W said sir what do you think about that quote what do you think about ethics what are let me say what are your personal ethics okay so that's a bit of a you know I've been mulling on it because I mean morals are you know different from ethics so I would say what am I morals you know more like you know well integrity you know discipline empathy you know these are things that you know from the core who I am but again ethics in in the sense that it must be a collective you know a collective and a collective rule such that guides you know people and I don't know I think for me I just tend to you know agree with what is good but again I've come to realize that sometimes what is good may not necessarily be right you know so I just I put it in context and then you know decide okay if I want to be good or I want to be right that is always a very very valid battle yeah no more what do you have to say about um ethics what's your what are your ethics like and your values you know um just listening I just uh remembered an incident that happened during the week uh someone asked someone to do something and it was supposed to be a favor and then the person agrees and then the person who asked someone to do something just ladens this person with so much and I'm asking myself why is it that several times I mean if I was having this conversation with me oh I should probably say her madame consideration I said but that's the truth I think it starts from we as individuals knowing what when we feel and I'm taking from that part of the quote where it says it's not just about thinking but it's also our feeling there are things that happen to us and we don't like but how is it so okay for it to happen to somebody else and it's okay so it's about consideration putting ourselves in the shoes of others and a lot of times when you put yourself in a position it actually enables you to feel what somebody else is likely to feel and when you have a bad feeling about it then you definitely know in Dela's words that it's not right so it's it's just about being considerate for me and that's a core of value that's a core work ethic for me that in everything that you're doing that there's a level high level of consideration for others because it might just be you feeling in to that shoe at that particular time and then other things like integrity like honesty work ethic is about you being able to be guided by principles that help and enable to enable people to to achieve great results right doing things right so objectivity being impartial being able to do your job the way that it's supposed to be done and not because you know this person or you know that person because nobody's above the law so situations like that having compassion putting a being understanding and all of that those are just a few of them that guide your actions so that when you are doing things you are seen to be fair you're seen to be equitable you're seen to be impartial and those are things that i find very very lacking in today's experience and i just want to cap it as humanity we are losing our humanity in our governance in work ethics i mean there are just rules and regulations are there but are people really feeling these things and knowing that these are the right things to do because we're human beings who have feelings and who know that things need to be done right okay i think norma has just said it all ethical behavior i i mean this is these are university classes where people sit down and debate it it just goes to show that there's no clean care cuts definition for ethics it's very subjective it's very personal and it's subject to quite a lot of interpretation so public service values or civil service values are those values and ethics that should be followed while carrying out public duties values such as integrity honesty objectivity non-partisanship impartiality empathy compassion and conflict of interest today kulei lawal is here to discuss the topic governance and the work ethics of a Nigerian civil servant but first let's take a break to see what we found in the news stay with us you're still watching ways international workers day also known as labor day in some countries and often referred to as may day is a celebration of laborers and the working classes that is promoted by the international labor movement and occurs every first of may and all first monday in may so i think we've already talked about how we feel about workers day so i think all that's left for us to say is happy workers day to all the workers out there so norma what did you find for us in the news okay so the spirit of may day uh i have this from the president of can he says a prioritized prioritized workers welfare he orges can or can orges federal government and employers so the president of the christian association of nigeria archbishop daniel okoh has called on the government and employers to ensure that workers are treated with dignity and respect and also to provide them with favorable work conditions so he is you know calling on the god he's using this opportunity of the celebration of the workers day to remind the Nigerian government of their responsibility towards the workers in the growth and development of the nation he said a statement he made a statement that we commend the resilience dedication and hard work of Nigerian workers who have continued to drive the economy forward despite the numerous challenges facing the nation and we recognize the sacrifices they make daily to ensure that their families and the nation at large have a better future and he's also urging the federal government as long as as along with employers of labor to look into decent working conditions fair wages and job security to continue to treat workers with dignity and respect so yeah basically still giving louding some of the concerns that people have working in Nigeria the conditions the situation of insecurity and the different challenges that the nation has faced currently and asking the government to pay attention yeah thank you Noma Adele what did you find for us okay so organized labor six review of retirement age for public servants so today in I mean in attendance well past and present leaders of the Nigerian Labor Congress you know gathered in Abuja today well in commemoration of the International Workers Day and it was said that well they're looking at retirement age for public civil servants to be 60 to 65 or 35 years of active service to 40 years of service and that's quite interesting yeah so I'll take my story very quickly so the headline says we're not phasing out redesigned Niren nodes and that's by the CBN so of course if you've been online anywhere in the last couple of days there's been reports of the apparent or proposed phasing out of the new nodes due to scarcity so today the CBN has come out to debunk that to say that it has no plans to phase out the newly redesigned 1500 and 200 Niren nodes and this feedback came from the acting director of corporate communications for the bank Dr Issa Abdul-Mumin who reported it or described it as fake news so he's basically stating emphatically that this is unfounded and reiterating that they are circulating side by side with the old nodes and will continue to do so until the December 31st deadline of this year when the old nodes will eventually be phased out so just so we know that yes because when I saw that I mean it did sound like fake news to me but I thought you know you never know you just have to be sure so great that they came out to address that very very quickly so please stay with us we'll take a quick break now and then when we come back we'll go on with the show