 34 we got a full panel for you guys today I'll go around the room and introduce yourselves and what we've been playing lately We'll just start immediately to my left and your guys is right Favlam there. I said it right this time. How's it going buddy? What you been playing lately? Hi, how's it going? My name is Favlam or are you can call me Austin either or I'm a twitch streamer Lots of variety Nintendo content game shows all that jazz What I have been playing recently is Pokemon Go because I was recently at Pokemon Go Fest in New York So I went to Pokemon Go Fest for over the weekend and it was a ton of fun Had a lot of good times met a bunch of cool people You know, it's like going to a con, you know, you meet a lot of people You you don't see but all your online friends and hang out and do all that It was really cool how they did it when you're playing on the Pogo app. It like so through the city It's like increased odds and like rates of spawning and stuff So there's like a really good shiny hunting thing for it It was like ten bucks for this pass for the weekend and then on the actual day that you go You go to like Randall's Island or Randall's Park. I think it's what it's called and like the second I mean like literally at three o'clock That the event supposed to start your phone just like explodes with like Pokestops and spawns and gyms and events and all this stuff And then of course they have a lot of like practical set pieces like at on the park itself There was like a volcano and trees and tents and it was pretty cool. It was pretty neat I recommend going it's a really cheap event to go to like begin ten bucks like you can't beat that It's just be ready to walk. You're gonna walk a ton. So anyways, that's that's what I've been up to nice man nice Andress we start how's it going buddy? What are you been playing? I am okay. I have not been canceled Yeah, you know, you were telling me you're so worried about I'm like, you know I think you're small enough channel yet that you're not gonna get enough attention I you know, maybe I maybe I was just overthinking how much people would care about the topic But well, we didn't do that topic today. So yeah, we'll talk maybe maybe this podcast will get canceled But you know outside of non-controversial Topics I've been playing Pokemon stadium two. Yeah That's been fun and surprisingly challenging Like it's it's the AI and Pokemon stadium two is better than the AI in the mainline Pokemon games now Like they actually react to your Pokemon like so sometimes when you're playing Let's say Scott and Violet like you're you're fighting like maybe a late-game gym leader or leap or member They will switch but like once or twice just to show you. Oh, yeah, we're gonna react to you but like if you play Pokemon stadium two and you're You know halfway through the actual like challenge They're gonna continue to switch. Oh, they have a steel eggs down. You have a water type. Nope They're gonna continue to switch. They're not gonna just let you blast it with a hydro pump like they're actually going to React to you Consistently as if you were fighting a real trainer. So I'm not saying it's like masterfully amazing AI like it's as good as like competitive Pokemon, but it's enough to the point where It's actually pretty pretty tough and you're going to lose a few times. So it's it's good. I love it Awesome, so I'm swapping spots or since it's either way your head is looking. I'm like, let's have you not look off of the video No, that dude so in Pokemon stadium two Can you actually beat it because people were saying that it might be impossible to beat since you can't import Pokemon? So I'm asking you. I'm just trolling you. I switched it my Yeah, yeah, I knew we're good. We're good. Um say that again Is can you beat Pokemon stadium to I haven't tried it, but a lot of people said it's not beatable the main The main state. Oh, well, I haven't been there yet. So I can't can't confirm There's been a lot of people who said it wasn't beatable because it's not beatable with the Pokemon included It is tough. I'll tell you that it is tough. I I just beat Claire Okay, so I beat Claire which was kind of lost a couple times that I went through the elite four and I got my family only tried once and so you have to do the elite four all in one shot And they're 3v3 battles, right? So like you can't bring in six and because the thing about doing a 6v6 battles You can account for some error or mistake or bad luck because you have all their types you can fall back on right? There's more opportunity to resolve issues The one is 3v3 if you pick the wrong three sometimes you just kind of SOL So yeah, 3v3 is harder because there's more luck involved and it doesn't always go in your favor And I did pretty well against the first three of the four elite four members with that last one Only using rental Pokemon because I was playing on it in a so there is no transfer pack available yet I Lost I don't remember how I lost it felt impossible though. I'll tell you that But I think if I just went it with a slightly different Pokemon and might work out I also had bad luck. She just used confused ray every time Mm-hmm, and I just kept hurting myself in confusion like so there was a lot of bad luck But I remember that one back in the day. Yeah lots of confused rays If stadium 2 works any way how some of the battle towers or you know Whatever is like the battle tower equivalent for Pokemon games is nowadays Whereas you've progressed a little the hacks gets worse So like when you're playing against the computer is like you're more likely to miss your mother was like They're your most like more likely to get hit by a critical hit So if it works anything like that where I'm basically just guaranteed to like hurt myself a confusion three out of four times Then I can see how people might think it's impossible. I don't know if it's impossible, but I don't know a lot harder Anyways, maybe during my vacation coming up I'll play book one stadium to instead of 100% thing tears of the kingdom. We'll see nice Well, since we saw spots Nick with no K. How's it going? What are you been playing lately? It's going good. It's it this week was a little rough because our AC went out So we spent like two days without a C. It was like 90 degrees. It's not great But other than that I have been playing a ton of fortnight because I decided to get the battle pass like a week before it ends and swaps out and I think I went from level 20 to 105 in two days So I was really grinding out the battle pass Other than that I got nothing. That's all I've been playing. I really a victory else Five or six I'm pretty decent at solos But I know I'm gonna suck again because every time the season restarts they add new guns and the loop pool changes and Then I suck because I'm not used to it yet I do want to go back to Zelda eventually only, you know, not like it's my favorite game of all time and most anticipated game of the year and Here I am playing fortnight. So I'll get back to it eventually. We all need a break I don't know that I choose fortnight for that. But you know, mm-hmm. We all we all have our games that we play I mean Zach over there likes to play a little mobile game a little well-known mobile game at this point So yeah, it's all we all got a little I mean look I play Madden come on Like we all have that game that everyone's gonna look like really. That's what you're playing. Yeah. Yeah, I will say I watched the The new trailer they put out for persona 3 reload and every time I see a new trailer Teeters me just a little closer to buying an Xbox I'm really thinking about it. We'll see how I feel in February Whether or not we'll see where the switch I think I think they just said a gamescom that like they have like 80 something games dropping and like the next four years I'm like really I thought you might be exaggerating But I I would love to actually see all these studios. He bought put some games out. That'd be great. Yes. Thank you very much Eric welcome back after a couple weeks. Yeah, and then a couple weeks before that one It's been like two of the last seven shows. I know how you doing bud Well, the last two were not for good reason Happens. Yeah, my grandma did pass away a couple weeks ago. So That is why I missed the last two weeks. She passed away Tuesday Two weeks ago and then so I just was not in the right mindset to take that that next podcast And then the funeral was that next Wednesday, so this last Wednesday, so Yeah, that's where I've been Yeah, it's been a long two weeks, but glad to be back and actually, you know Focusing on other things and you know trying to get back to life, but you're playing the games Not in the last two weeks, but before mad. Well besides bad I won I won the Super Bowl today against them. Yeah No, right? Of course, he beat me last week. Yeah No, but before all this happened I did complete all of the tiers and I got the master sword and let me say holy balls That's pretty crazy. That story is crazy Crazy story. So yeah, that's where I'm at with that More to come. You don't even know there's so much more to come with that story. It's great. Oh Looking forward to it though. All right Let's see you guys know who I'm at this point because my podcast But if you don't I'm the Nintendo Prime Nate from the time We look When tax on the show I'm instantly like down a few not No, but I played tears of the kingdom again I got back into it because I'm you know when I'm laying in bed and my fiance is just sitting there playing it herself I'm the TV in the room and I got to sit there and watch Messing with my phone at some point. You're like, no, no, I want to I'm gonna go grab my switch. I was gonna play not look at what you're doing because it's making me want to do things Because she's even funny things. I haven't found in the game yet. So I'm like, nope time to grab my switcher play So I've actually put a lot of time in the years that came in the last week, which is nice I've already beaten it but the main story anyways, but there's so much to do in the game So there's a lot I still have to discover and do And I still haven't taken out a kingly I get so like that's how I to do agendas to go take one of them out So I'm really I'm really excited about that. Hopefully I get that done in the next week and then I'm playing Madden 24 came out last week. So for those of you know, that's kind of one of my catches. I play in Madden leagues So And that's pretty much it. Let's get to the best for last Zach from switch force. Welcome back to the podcast, sir Yeah, I've been playing Marvel snap as you alluded to but I don't even consider that at this point I played a bunch of the I moonlight Working for Ascendant Studios on their PR team. So I have been playing Immortals of Avian which launched yesterday Really really think they turned out a great product there On switch though, I've been playing Blasphemous 2 which I'm really enjoying Every once in a while you need to play one of those side scrolling pixel art Metroidvania as a beautiful animation and they did a really nice job with a difficulty curve Still have some real strange weird religious blood torture storyline going on But I feel like it's a little reduced and the gameplay is just real crispy It feels really good to play like I said the animations are great and the difficulty curve is just perfect It's not like oh die come back die come back die come back It's just master the patterns move forward and then that's the kind of the kind of difficulty I like where it's not frustrating, but it still is a challenge. You still feel that sense of you know beat the boss, but you're not Dark souls out bringing it up for you know hours and hours and hours. So that one's out tomorrow I believe and I I highly recommend it. I think it's a pretty good improvement over the first game and well worth of 30 bucks Nice, and I'm so glad you bought up Immortals because it actually reviewed pretty well And I want to I was thinking about it the other day and I was like, don't I know somebody who worked on that game? And I'm like, oh, right. So you've mentioned it in your videos before I was like, oh dang You're not definitely in picking it up this week. It's really fun The reviews were you got a bunch of eight some nines and then a four and a five which Thought fours and fives were reserved for games that are like you can't play broken. Okay. No, it's I think it's a really fun shooter It's it's basically Dr. Strange first person with you know kind of Call of Duty pacing and it's I I've loved the gameplay since I first started playing it over a year ago and it's It just feels great like that the magic spells are really fun nice All right, we're gonna just hit up some quick news quick This is stuff that we don't really have topics for but you know games comms going on There's all the stuff so a whole bunch of different announcements have come out specifically with release dates a few New game announcements more like old games coming back announces what happens So first off Turok 3 is coming to Nintendo switch and other platforms this November don't have an exact day yet But it's coming steam world build finally got its release date for Nintendo switch on December 1st Star Wars dark forces remaster was announced for switch with no dates Sonic Friteers the final horizon is getting a free update on September 28th It's brand new story and ability to play a sonic tails knuckles and Amy and what they're calling a climactic free update So should be pretty exciting there not the only sonic news we got because we finally know when sonic superstars is coming That's when people are probably pretty excited for brand new sonic game coming out. It looks really good. It's coming out October 17th Pretty interesting three days before Mario Wonder and spider-man 2 maybe they're trying to give you just enough time To finish it before the big We're gonna be a wild month, dude It's gonna be wild also supposedly the og to design for sonic or something might be playable So that's that's a little bunny ear weird-looking thing that they never actually released a game for so pretty pretty interesting We now know when the game awards is happening surprise surprise first week of December summer 7th. So is it kingdom sweet, baby? With Baldur's gate, that's that's a pretty that's one I thought I thought tears of Kingdom is it with Baldur's gate man is pretty freakin ain't delivered It's it's got some crazy depth to that game. It. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, sorry It's a two-horse race and we'll see if Well, we'll see if you know a certain star game Can add to it. We'll see I hope they do I hope we do gamers win if it does exactly Yeah, let's see here next we have oh the Metal Gear volume collection thingy Look, it's not really much of an update it's just we now know that it runs at 720p and 1080p on switch at 30 FPS and The only reason that's notable is it upset a lot of people because this isn't a remaster it in all these games were on worse hardware than switch and Ran at 60 FPS on that hardware So for some reason the switch despite being more powerful than the platforms all these games originally debuted on is Getting a half-cut frame rate version Which makes no set it literally it just sounds like we didn't put a lot of work on it We just slapped it on it wasn't running well, so we cut it to 30 they didn't really want to optimize That's what it sounds like to me Because it's 60 FPS on all the other hardware of course So I don't really get it and I understand people's frustrations that better hardware than what it originally released on somehow has worse frame Rate when it's not a remaster. I don't get it But I understand why people are upset about it and don't think it's okay So if you end up skipping it and get it on another system where you skip it all together because it's Konami Get it Konami hasn't always been friendly over the last decade or so so we'll see unless you like their pachinko machines, and they love you They even hate you like you give a world championships They had like it look like a look like a locals they've had like fold-out tables, and they gave them like paper mats It was awkward Um, I don't know why I wrote switch to you know what I've been doing so much switch to stuff I don't know why that's the switch remains the second best selling console in the month of July It's actually down a little bit you over a year But according to the exact people who have access to the exact data It was actually extremely close to the PlayStation 5 in terms of unit sales I'm well ahead of the Xbox series, which isn't surprised Xbox. I'm sorry Microsoft You always find yourself in third place Get some games out there. You got one coming. I mean more Anyways, there's nothing really that notable for game sales That's really surprising it just remnant to which launched is uh the overall best-selling game in July So that's sort of all of the little quick news that we wanted to get to before we get to the big stories And of course for us in the nintendo land there's one story above them all A legendary maestro of the microphone that has been giving us oral bliss for 27 years I don't like that. I don't like the phrase that you just used. Okay oral bliss. Hey Look when mario 64 popped up and I heard the first wahoo I'm just saying I was in heaven in that moment as I was messing with this face. Anyways So I'm sure you guys have heard but we're gonna talk about charles marnay is no longer The voice actor for anything at nintendo as far as we're aware. Maybe the movie still we'll see officially It just said he stepped down with video games So no longer the voice of mario and the weegee and wario and all of the rest He is now moved on to a new role as a mario ambassador Which basically means he's still going to travel around the world of various dimensions and market and advertise mario for nintendo which is Pretty much what I think he kind of does most of the time anyways If you ever follow him on social media and follow the different conferences He's always at them all the time signing autographs talking to fans And you know talking about mario. So he's pretty much just going to continue to do that He just won't be put into an audio booth. I believe charles marnay I heard on a podcast had a lifetime contract with nintendo So this is sort of like repurposing his role in the company and also obviously moving mario into a new Direction, but we'll talk about that in a moment. First. I just wanted to uh Just ask the panel here like What does charles marnay mean to you guys because I mean for all of us He's been involved in a majority of our lives in some way if we've been playing mario at all You know let alone the weegee's mansion series and and so many great games that that he's Bend the voice behind including that infamous call game stop for your pre-order check up That was anyone anyone who did that back home. Oh my gosh. It was like two straight minutes. I'm talking like mario That's so funny. It's a little much. It was I don't mean it's a little much Anyways First off before we we get into any of the possible criticisms out there What do you how do you guys feel about charles marnay in general and just his iconic career? Especially behind the voice of mario himself I mean, I think you know Everyone's got to retire right and I think this is kind of his like retirement lap In my opinion. I mean, I know there's people that are out there like Oh, it's he said he was gonna do it forever But I just I think bro's tired. He's he's and he's an elderly man and he's he's done He's put the work in so I think he's doing great and I think he's I think this is a great exit for him And I think it's a good way to just still be a part of it But also not at the same time and just kind of enjoy enjoy his golden years and end of his career So, uh, I think it's it's a very fitting end and you know, I wouldn't want to see it any other way I don't think I actually realized how many different voices he did until this week Like I knew he was mario and luigi, but I didn't know he also did like wario and wallowigie. I didn't know I I don't know why I didn't assume but it's It's one of those things Like austin said, you know, you gotta everyone's got to retire at some point We all knew this was coming inevitably like If we were going to get this news Now or five years from now or 10 years from now was going to come eventually And I think it's good That it came this way as like hey He's stepping down of his own volition. Like this was his choice. We respect that choice rather than it being like well Charles martin is no longer with us. So therefore we now through a place mario. So it kind of like ends on a much I guess happier note than something like that um Yeah, and I don't know. I just I respect the work he did I I respect the talent it takes to do four different characters and make them sound The same but different And I respect that Eric. Yeah, um, I mean just growing up playing hours upon hours of mario 64 it I mean That was my whole entire childhood basically. I mean So it's it's it's sad that that he's stepping away. Um, but also interesting to see kind of where things are going to go from here Um, wish him all the best, you know, for sure Hopefully he enjoys what he's doing and everything like that. So that's kind of all I'm I'm Good with and so it's it's sad, but you know, that's got to happen All right, Zach What's he mean, buddy? Yeah, I mean fantastic fantastic guy fantastic memories I think it's a cool testament that someone can be so beloved By saying so little, you know, like his his actual script is probably can fit on a half of a page or something Um, I think that's pretty remarkable that it was that impactful or that memorable for so many You know kids and now adults that Just goes to show that it's a joyful dude who really imparted his enthusiasm into the game But yeah, I'm I am curious to see where they go from here. Now that mario has been Individualized as you know chris pratt in the movie How many liberties does nintendo take going forward to make mario have more of a Of a role in the you know in the games that he's The lead character for Yeah All right, andress What's he mean to you and then we can use you to springboard and so The zaniness of what the internet's doing You're muted Gotcha, bud. Yeah, you're muted on the application I mean, I can unmute you too. There you go. Yeah But thanks for telling me that Would have been kind of awkward otherwise But yeah, charles martin a what he means for me. Um, well, I mean, you know I've been playing mario games since I was a little kid like My first personal Game that I played was super mario 64. Like that was my first game And so, you know the first character I fell in love with the first war that fell in love was that and it was voiced by charles So, you know, he's kind of had an importance for me since then right And he's been the voice of mario and mario is one of my favorite Characters from my favorite series. So it's absolutely a big deal And yeah, so I mean, he's definitely been very significant and all the stories I've heard about charles are Really wonderful stories. I think it Everything I hear about this person is he was very very humble You know, he was never like this high and mighty person even though he's kind He's the voice for one of the most iconic characters of all time, right? Like it's kind of crazy Um, but he's always been super super humble and it's always been a very fun person to interact with when I've heard And he's just kind of like the ideal sort of I guess icon if that's what you want to call it, right? So it's incredible and the fact that he has been the voice actor for several mario characters For what three decades um That's just insane. Uh, so, you know, he's had an incredible career And he's absolutely left an incredible impact on not just the gaming world But I would say just like society as a whole because mar is a pretty big deal. So that's special Yeah, like Charles Martin a I like it him to sort of be in like almost the voice of my childhood as a gamer When I when I think back on all of the games I play growing up I don't know many of the voice actors because the voices that they Portrayed in a lot of that stuff didn't stand out to me the things I think of are usually from movies And or animated series or something like that But when I'm thinking of video games, you know, just for my younger years before I got older started paying a bit more attention I know who Charles Martin a was by like the year 2000 and That's insane that I know Who the voice of this mario guy is when we're still getting all of our information from nintendo power magazines and It it's it's insane that He's been doing it for as long as he has and been so consistently great at it And you know, there are times that he has a bit more like when he's doing luigi's mansion Luigi suddenly has a hell of a lot more lines than he usually does and he's got a You know portray luigi and add more personality to him than usual Um, and it's all the spin-offs and all the side games He's the voice and all of those and he knew sound effects in mario kart that weren't in the mario game He had to do those and it it's It's kind of crazy that you know for characters that say so little He still became so iconic for what he was able to do and I mean look this is why people were initially upset when he wasn't the voice of mario in the mario movies because He's been the voice for 30 years How do you not have him voice mario? And because mario has never really spoken 100 complete sentences In most of the stuff that he's done Uh a little bit back in mario is typing, but we're not gonna go back to those days. There's some interesting games back then so um This kind of gets into the conversation then about There are there are segments of the internet that that don't think this is as kosher as it appears And I think a lot of it might just have to do with people wanting to always paint nintendo is a big evil corporation that doesn't care about anybody But themselves which is totally Probably true in some regards like every big corporation and that's for profits on some level They they care about the bottom line more than more than much But I do think that It's a little unfair the way that some of this is being painted where Nintendo may be forced him out and I don't It will never know. I don't think they'll ever be anything said publicly by nintendo or charles to make Make that a thought that people should hold on to Uh charles reaction to this was as you would expect happy as can be and super excited for his new role Uh, which obviously he knew the announcement was coming before it happened So it wasn't like it took him, you know, it wasn't one of those people that found out he was fired on twitter Um, yeah, we've had that happen at some companies. That's not that's not how this went down He knew he knew uh, what was coming and nintendo is doing a video You know with him and me a moto later to even Not just have this announcement, but maybe have a closure to it with the creator of mario Which is to me showing deep respect for who charles was and has meant to so many out there As the voice so I I just don't know that I agree with this notion that He's being forced out and I think it actually started with the mario movie I think it's really what got the ball rolling with people being like, oh, he's not the voice of mario they wanted to go with someone famous and I I don't really I don't really know where it comes from especially when like andress you had you had a quote From him because he said two quotes a couple of years ago One was the one everyone knows I want to voice mario till the day I die Okay, right Well, what was that second quote because people don't always follow sure I was actually thinking about pulling it up because I felt like maybe reading it verbatim here Yeah, there's a second quote. He said in the exact same Yeah, so there were a couple years ago. He was at a gaming and comics expo in canada. I was going to say canadia I'm sorry. I'm sorry for everyone in canada. Um I just say that sometimes but anyways So, yeah that he was answering. He was doing a Q and a with the audience and he said I want to voice mar until I drop dead And that's what a lot of people have been kind of pointing to is like see see nintendo Nintendo it did something to just to him because he said he wants to do this until he dies But this is ignoring the possibility that things can change Right, like what you say or think one day can at some point change And just because he wants to voice it till the day he dies doesn't mean that he wants to just continue working till the day He dies, you know, it's right. He may want to voice it, but the fact that maybe he Something changed and he can't anymore or something, you know, or there's that That gets to the quote that he also said that people are ignoring. Yep. Yeah So this is exactly so people will just point to that piece of detail and don't ignore the other thing That was that came out around that time and that is that he he said If someday I think I am no longer capable of doing it I will tell the nintendo to look into finding someone else so For me Right, and I don't want to really dive too much into speculating why He possibly may have made this decision himself Right, but he is 67 years old, right? And if it is health related, I'd kind of find this whole conversation about Nintendo being this evil nefarious company that's pushing him out and disrespecting him To kind of be increasingly more disrespectful because maybe You know, they're trying to not really, you know, point out his potential Health issues publicly, right? We don't know that right. That's that's their own business. That's their own private things But you know, as he said Nate like he they're putting out a special video message Like that's something that they're doing together. It's a collaboration, right? It's collaborative. This isn't like They're it doesn't seem like a force out right and based off this quote here It almost seems like at least a couple years ago Um trials is almost kind of it's almost it feels like he's implying that he has some semblance of power over his role that They will do what he wants, right? Like it's it's his way and if when you think about it more so right like mario wonder now that we know It's his voice that he's no longer voicing it, but they're still modeling mario's voice after him It's not like they want to necessarily go in a different direction, right? So I don't I'm not sure what like where where is the logical reason That ntendo would want to push him out if they're still going in the same direction If he can still do the voice from what we gather If they are honoring him in every public way possible if he's collaborating with a special video message If he's still working with ntendo as mario's ambassador And going back to the movie he actually had several roles in the movie He played Giuseppe and he also played mario's dad Which had had several important lines start the movie in the beginning and the end So I just I just don't see how this is how they're trying to disrespect him in any way Just wait till you see the video message where miyamoto rips his soul out. That's it. Yeah, right? Right. Yeah, miyamoto just gonna I think it's important also remember that if he's not in mario wonder this decision was made years ago So if there was some like foul play it probably would have leaked out, right? Someone would have said something or something would have come out. This had to be decided What at least A year ago possibly much more so I would I would venture to say even more because I'm guessing at the conception stage of mario wonder They probably had talks like hey, we're not gonna One party decided that they weren't gonna have him be involved anymore. Um, so yeah I think if there was something nasty going on behind the scenes I feel like we would have had some tabloid type coverage of it, you know in the last year or so I also feel like if they were forcing him out, they wouldn't Make him an ambassador. They would just like Let him go and not have him be involved at all. That seems like a very hey, we respect you You have a lifetime contract and we don't want to violate that But even if you didn't we still want you to be a part of this because you do mean a lot to other people And you do mean a lot to the fans so you should To some extent still continue to be mario by going out to these events and going out and meeting fans because We respect you and we don't just want to drop you and move on to the next thing Yeah, and it's funny because some of the commentary out there, uh You know, we're not going to mention any content creators in particular because I'm sure people pay enough attention They know who's been saying one out there because they've been saying to publicly but like there's been some statements out there like, oh Yeah, you know nintendo. There's doing him dirty because you know A 67 year old man really wants to go around traveling to conventions And it's so much easier to just make more money by going into a voice acting booth And it's really it's really funny when I see commentary life because one It means you don't really pay as much attention to him as you think you do because I actually have watched him on several podcasts He's been on a ton of them because he's always willing to go on podcasts all the time And he has literally said I go into the voice booth like once every three years It's not something that he's even doing that often for in the first place And he loves going to conventions and it's his favorite thing about his career Is being able to go to all these conventions and he chooses to go no one makes him do it And obviously for those who don't know people of his stature. They're paid to be there These typically aren't free appearances Because they are attractions to get ticked by people to buy tickets and come into the show So, you know, and obviously on top of that, he's been getting a regular salary from nintendo. So This is far from anything disrespectful to his legacy. I I think a lot of this It just looking at it in hindsight and considering all of the arguments I've heard or why people think nintendo is doing him dirty Is people are still heard. He's not the voice of mario in the mario movie and they never let it go I agree. I think that's spot on They never let it go. They're hurt is an iconic character from their life And they think anytime an iconic character is moving on They're forced out and it's and it's funny because they notably said he's done in the games He still voices mario's dad in the movies He's probably still gonna do that in the next movie if his dad's in it But he asked me because he was still alive at the end. So theory The next mario movie will not even We won't even see new york. It'll just be entirely in the bunch of kingdoms. So It's possible. It's possible. We won't see them in the movies again just because They have them there. We know they exist, but there's never going to be a reason to go back to new york Yeah, well, I mean, who knows that all I know is when you read the statement It says voice in the video games. Well, notably movies aren't video games Yeah, conceivably So they never really ruled it out, but also maybe they don't even know what's going on People forget actually strikes going on right now. So they can't really do anything It gets it depends on what And again, I don't want to make implications on where he is in his health wise But it does depend on why he's no longer going to be the voice of mario, right? If it's health related and I don't know why he would do the That his that his dad moving forward, right? But I mean if it's just kind of like he You know more of a less transition elsewhere And we should start to implement the future because eventually used to happen anyway Then maybe you're right. I don't I think there are some implications Because he's not doing he's not the voice of wario in the next wario-ware game either that comes out this year So this was obviously decisions made a while ago. Like this isn't new They're just letting us know now as games are going to be coming out without him voicing Why didn't let us know sooner when people were kind of like Arguing over whether he was voicing mario and mario wonder when they dropped that because people were arguing on the internet for like a month Is that charles is not charles? Oh my god It's like it was a I mean it was still like I didn't really see a lot Like I didn't I didn't see any of those arguments. So I was I would say they did a pretty Yeah, you gotta be deep in the nintendo community. Yeah, you really do it's like in the underbelly But uh that point though it's like Look, whatever happened. I'm sure it's mutual even if nintendo initiated the conversation I don't think charles was would have been that mad about it Um, because here's the thing one thing we that that is notable about the that that movie and obviously this upcoming game Is the movie included obviously voice acting all throughout the all throughout the movie Which is something charles has never actually technically done for a mario character He hasn't been speaking lines and paragraphs and carrying a two hour flick or an hour and a half flick And then on top of that, what's the very first thing we see of mario wonder it opens up and the flowers start speaking Again a very different way to introduce A mario game with voice acting which could suggest maybe mario's got full spoken lines in this game potentially And if that's the case Maybe they are just saying you know what we do have a new direction We're going with mario with the movies and the games and nintendo world and you know what we're just you're 67 We know you're not going to be able to carry this for another few decades as we're going in this new direction We know what we're just gonna We're just going to go go right now. Thank you for your services We still want you to go to all the conventions because you would love them and we're not going to take that from you Because obviously that that would be the worst thing is that they took that from him something He has openly admitted. He loves not hates and is hard on a 67 year old man. He literally does it because he wants to Nintendo is not twisting his arm to go to the the premiere of the mario movie They're not twisting his arm to go to the premiere of the of the super mar and super nintendo world I keep calling him mario world because that's the only thing open right now in the u.s Super nintendo world They're not twisting his arm to go to these places He legitimately loves doing it and he only does a select amount of appearances a year He does spend a majority of the time with his family so He's he seems like an incredibly happy man from all indications and unless he goes on a podcast and makes any sort of suggestion Otherwise, there's no reason to think there's going to be any animosity and for all the arguments He's under nda and he got paid extra money went on. He didn't get paid extra money not to talk The guy probably knows about the next 17 mar. He's got he's probably got literally Miyamoto on speed dial on his phone He's probably got a switch too. We don't know. Yeah, he might even have a switch too for all like That's the point like he is so ingrained into the nintendo thing and nintendo's been so if you look at how they've handled All their transitions like they were super respectful to regi fiza may and let him say goodbye to the fan community in his own way What company lets an executive say goodbye to the fan community? Nintendo because they recognized how important he was to the fan base and this is sort of what they're doing with Charles except this isn't goodbye. This is come see me. I'm going to be at all these conferences You want to go to pass us nintendo live? I'm there. You want to you know, go here? I'm going to be there. Come come meet me I'm still going to be mario at these events and then Yeah, I mean even look at sugar Miyamoto. I know he still obviously has a huge role at nintendo but he's transitioned pretty much out of game development and They're super respectful of him. Of course Miyamoto is clearly on a different level because nintendo wouldn't be where they were without his creativity But well, didn't you have a handed pickman four? He did have a hand in pickman four. Yeah, he was he wasn't the director But he was he was he was a producer It's a big difference between director versus a producer, right? Like that's but he wasn't a producer for any other game lately until Pickman three was the last game that he was directly involved in with uh star fox guard and star fox zero I love the last one star fox guard guard first because guards a better game. Okay I I do want to kind of Trying to mention his good game first. Yeah. Oh, I do want to I mean, okay Well, we could talk about star fox zero all night, but let's not I do want to kind of go in in this direction. You kind of brought up about Just how nintendo treats um some of their Retired employees who want to call them that like you look at the relationship between um sakurai and nintendo Now sakurai is not a is not currently employed for nintendo and hasn't been employed for nintendo for a long time That's more like a partnership. It's a collaboration. But for example, you look at his youtube channel he has permissions From nintendo to use a lot of footage and concept art and and testing stuff that was never released publicly like That's an unusual relationship. You don't see very often And just on the note of smash brothers, right like smash ultimate The fact that they were able to bring in so many third party characters Obviously sakurai had a big part to do with that. But so did nintendo And I bring that up because I think it kind of goes to show That the nintendo of today is actually very good at working with Other companies and big people in the industry like they actually have established some good relationships And that may seem odd because if you think about old nintendo, it was the other way around like What was his name that yamui chi like the previous president nintendo. He was almost he was like mafia Right like he was he was old nintendo would never work with hedecky kamiya I could tell you that right now that guy of platinum games and the way he presents himself publicly and the way he opens his mouth And his dropping swear words and yelling at fans publicly nintendo would never work with someone like that in the past But nintendo today is like dude Very different games your games are kick ass We might not hire you on our team, but you can work for us So it's kind of funny right like so like back then when nintendo got started like the Old people kind of got phased out in the 90s right and then like starting with the 21st century Like the young talented developers and designers that helped to popularize them Like awada Miyamoto they took on like the leading roles right and now you see that I'll go obviously I want to pass the way, but um, you know, you you kind of see if you look at the history and how they've changed like It's coin decided with who was in power I sure don't want a lot of respect too, even though obviously they weren't planning on him Yeah, passing money did they still were super respectful to that not just to him and his family Then they made lots of public statements. They let regi go on stage, you know and give a speech about him um, they've just been very Say what we want about nintendo is a greedy company They seem to especially the japanese part of them work on a lot of that japanese culture of honor And they like to honor the people that help them be where they are today Uh, and and further from that I highly doubt this was a very tense conversation even if it was nintendo's decision I don't think charles sat there and cried on the phone and argued with him about it I'm like I'm I guarantee that this was like one something that he's already known about This isn't new because he would have known years ago because there's new games coming out So yeah, this is just something they're making Public now as those games are starting to come out. So people don't start, you know, maybe keep yelling on the internet I definitely think they knew about it before the release of the movie. Oh, yeah, definitely Last year Probably knew yeah, they've probably been sitting on both warrior wear and mario wonder for a good while too. So yeah And who knows like people people talk about the mario movie stuff and and he's done he's done interviews and stuff about it and You know, it's it sounds like from everything I he has said anyways publicly That not only was he never considered for the role. He never asked for it Which means that this conversation could have happened The so soon as soon as he was told the mario movie was going to happen They wanted him have a role in it and maybe it could have even been made back then and you just been like, hey That's it. We don't know I also don't really agree that it should have been charles as as the the role for the mario bros movie because this is a different take Yeah, like, you know This is me. This is me bringing my one piece fandom into into the conversation, right? Here we go But it's relevant though because right now They're about to release the one piece live action, right? It's a different medium one piece is a manga and an anime, right? And they're obviously there's different people like I know in japan they're actually using like the Japanese actors Which is actually pretty cool But the point is is that when you're going into a different medium you have to look at things from a different angle You're portraying things in a different way So it makes sense to use a different actor I don't think that's crazy. I don't think that's in any way um, you know Disrespecting charles marne and I mean as I brought up earlier, right? Like there's he has multiple roles in the movie Like it's not he was absolutely respected in the movie. Then maybe the movie does pay homage to him. So Also was yeah hilarious the cast they chose I remember that first direct day and we saw chris Like me and my friends were watching it in vc And we were dying and then it just kept going And going and then they got to donkey cog with Was several get it out and we were I mean, I that's probably the hardest I've laughed in a hot minute and they did all get great the the initial reaction Wow The only one was maybe hard Like I think it's pretty much like even though the like critically the the movie wasn't received well because critics are dumb Like the the voice acting the voice acting was Was considered to be pretty good even across amongst critics the only person Critics just wanted to be some deep Lessonary story like a like a deep Disney Pixar movie or something. It's like It's just meant to be a fun movie about a video game character Maybe They definitely made that movie for the fans not for the critics and you can tell yeah Because the critics didn't like it, but the fans love it Not just like everyone even like people who only vaguely aware of mario Their kids loved everyone loved my kids have now seen the movie 17 times at home I just thought the movie on bullray last week ho Physical media. Let's hear here's my little theory. I think that as mario enters the The cinematic universe the theme park universe Commercials who knows what I think they probably don't want a voice anymore And I think the best way to pay respect to charles is by saying hey Let's put a finite end on your career and now we're going to have you know A team of marios that do different voices across different mediums across different things and we don't have to Say like oops this one wasn't charles now. We can just he can retire. He was mario for decades And now we have you know when you go to the theme park, it's okay if mario doesn't You know say wow exactly the same way Yeah, what was it's like into the spidey verse Just an incident number of mario. Yeah, exactly. It was like I was like some media or whatever asked Nintendo who voices mario mario wonder and they're just like you'll find out in the credits of the game. Yeah I don't think they're gonna have a guy anymore. Like I think it's just gonna be Here's the question though. Are they gonna get another person to do All the mario characters. Well, they noted Um With mario wonder that there are voice actors So i'm guessing that they might not use one for every voice This time around You know, it would really get people with pitchforks is if they did some sort of like AI thing like to like Oh, that's not even know like if I swear we get to the credits and it's just AI Look, we're not talking. We're we'll cross that road wouldn't happen They're Yeah, there would be pitchforks That was just not good. That was All right. Well, we need to move on. This just went in a completely. Yeah, sorry I just was like imagine if they use some sort of synthesizer. Anyways, yeah All right. Well from that story on do another story that I think gamers will probably not be happy with Uh, it was announced today. Don't worry. We do have a fun topic After this one, I promise we get the top of the switch to stuff. It's gonna be fun But this topic is like one that That I just sort of feel like I don't know how big of a deal it's going to be because it's towards the end of the life of the system But what it could mean for future nintendo platforms if this becomes widely adopted and if we see nintendo themselves using it Because nintendo is not happy That games like tears of the kingdom are pirated a week and a half before the game comes out The nuvo is now officially part and available as middleware for nintendo switch developers And for those who don't know what the nuvo is. I don't blame you if you're nintendo people We haven't had to worry about this ever It's a drm. And if you don't know what that basically means It is a anti cheat slash anti piracy piece of software that interacts with your code to encrypt things And unfortunately often require online checks to ensure you're playing on legit hardware with a legit copy of the game and The reason there is so much angst with this among people when they hear about it is they think of pc gaming Where they claim and they're making the claim with switch to the denovu does not impact game performance But yet every game that has it on pc has worse frame rates and worse performance and longer load screens Oh, and by the way if the online check fails even if you own it, you just can't play Whereas hackers just remove it entirely and get a smoother running game with better load times And they don't have to worry about online checks So it doesn't really even stop the piracy in the first place. It just sort of stops the day one piracy They usually have it hacked within a week Whether that'll be the case with switch games I don't know and obviously a concern for me and i'm hoping it doesn't work this way like it does on pc Switches aren't always online. They're meant to be on the go. They're not always on the internet So if you start putting this in games and requiring online checks That's going to make people not play your game basically So guess what my theory is right? the sim card Here we go. Oh my god That's the controversial switch to feature Yeah No, I am not paying an extra subscription fee to my cell phone provider just to access the novo servers That is just By the way, no one no one's used it yet It just it just got approved by nintendo And I can see why nintendo might want to have something like this on there for their own purposes due to having this happen to games And I don't think it's gonna have a big impact on switch Overall because we're towards the end of the generation So it's not going to impact the majority of the library But are you guys worried about this at all? Especially like moving forward with the next platform because Well, I don't need to do something But is this what they need to do And or I have an idea Am I over blowing this is this not a big deal and it's not even going to work the way it does on pc Uh, I mean, I don't know what they if they want to implement this correctly What they do is they implement it up until day one. They put a patch out day one that removes it And you're just done Oh, I see what you mean. So any copies that that leak online won't work won't work Oh, that is it's part of the day one patch to get rid of I mean, I mean you still have to I guess it's still technically DRM until you are You know, hook it up to online Would that be better than what nintendo might be leaning towards and that's releasing digital copies versus physical later because physical are the copies that keep leaking And by the way, I don't like the idea of physical games coming out like two weeks after Yeah, I hate that nintendo's done it a couple times this year granted. It's been with shadow drops and ports But I'm like Well, is this is this what's to come it feels like they're Throwing out there They're testing the water Wait till switch two and then they got that all digital switch two and they're like, oh The DRM system. Yeah, and then oh, but you want to play the new 3d mario physical while you gotta wait two weeks Oh boy, I think this is like Topics since we're kind of short on switch news, but I don't think it's gonna have a major impact overall For me the concern is switch was incredibly open region free Easy access to alternative e shops share your account and it really feels like with the new Bandhammer rules they put in place a couple weeks back in this That maybe they're about facing on that and maybe switch two is going to be region locked again maybe they are going to not have as You know easy So that would suck and I you know, I love my australian e shop for those, you know 16 hour early days Nice. Yeah, so that's that's the part I just hope that you know, they've made some positive strides forward with their online this generation And I really don't want to see them go like oh crap. We got to lock everything down We got to be extra secure. I mean that would be bad, but I don't think we're going to be in a situation where mario, you know switch two has to Check in with the server for you to be able to play like I just don't I don't see that happening Especially we're not the first party titles I I I hope that denouva doesn't work that way on switch And I said the one thing is we hope is that denouva knows switch can't like be online all the time So they it can't work in that way It needs to be a and they they talk about in their announcement point post about how they're Encrypting parts of the code and stuff like that. We're literally That their claim is that an emulator wouldn't be able to decrypt that code only the original switch And I'm just like yeah, but that also is before People hack their switch and find out how switch is decrypting it and then they reverse engineer it I think and and maybe that's true I could just add an extra layer of making it a bit more difficult Like I said, denouva's existed for a long time and people keep working around it, but it does It did get rid of a lot of the day one piracy Uh, what what I will say is What one thing, you know, if they're using this and it doesn't impact performance They claim it doesn't I Like I don't know any middleware that doesn't impact performance, but Let's say that it doesn't well I could see nintendo using it with if it doesn't require online checks because they're tired of their games leaking And maybe we find out they are using it Maybe maybe otherwise since proved not because mario wonder is going to have it and now it won't leak early because It's just not going to work if it leaks early But I think for switch two I think people got to remember the reason that we got all these games day one so quickly with switch was because They were using an off-the-shelf component that was already hacked And they literally just stuck it on a board and people realized oh if we cross the same pins We get root access Huh, they didn't even redesign the chip. Look at that. Look how easy this thing is the hack Nintendo's not going to make that mistake again This chip coming up for the next system is going to be completely custom And people won't know how to hack it right away It's going to take work and it's going to be sort of like a ps5 and xbox series situation where it takes Years and years About two years about two to two and a half years it takes to Basically make emulators that are able to even properly emulate the games And then on top of that being able to dump them as a whole another thing So, uh, that's why they're whether or not there are playstation 5 emulators People always act like switches the only platform in the world that has piracy happen ps4 emulators are rampant So are xbox one and xbox series and and playstation 5 emulators exist as well with hacked versions of games So like this happens to all platforms It's just switch seems to get the hardest because it's been Every game before it even releases is not suddenly being played by thousands of people on an emulator and it's just It's it's frustrating probably more so for Nintendo. I think than anyone else because I will say shockingly Despite tears of kin when coming out when it did unless you were looking for it. You didn't really see the leaks So credit to the Zelda community for not like pushing those leaks out in front of everyone on every major social media channel There is you sort of kept it in community, which Awesome, maybe you were also afraid of Nintendo banning your switches that There could be alternative motives to that I don't know because it was not happy about that so unhappy they were going after discord mods and Dude, Nintendo was going hardcore after those leaks. They were so not happy same thing when the art book leak They were no they are not happy. They were trying to shut it down But once it hits the internet, they know it's already too late. They just want to hold someone responsible but I I just really hope as long as the nova does not work the way it does on pc I'm okay with it because I do think companies will use it because companies use it all the time on pc So they're going to use it on switch if it's available. They'll use it Yeah, um, I kind of want to touch on something somewhat related to what zack brought up how Maybe there's a concern that Nintendo might be steering away from some of the things We love that did for swish like being region free and such Because you know if they start implementing some of these, you know, like this the new bow thing and they start kind of becoming a little bit more strict that themes that could happen because What I've noticed like over the different generations. It almost feels like when a You know of so many microsoft and nintendo whenever They're not doing well. They tend to be very consumer friendly But once they're on top that next generation they start to become a little bit more strict It's like, oh, no, we're not going to do a cross platform stuff Oh, we don't have to have everything compatible like I I wonder now that the switch is so successful Will they be a bit more stingy and picky about what they do and allow for switch too? so, you know I'm not saying for sure it's going to suck on switch too But it it's just saying a note that there has been a correlation Whenever companies on top they tend to become a little bit less consumer friendly Yeah, yeah, it happens Uh, I will move on it was just sort of a topic I wanted to toss in there because again, we're all sort of just wait down the big news to come And I already knew this last topic was going to be a lot more exciting Every time we get to talk about new stuff from nintendo. It's exciting and uh switch to Seems to have a little bit of ramping up towards the reveal next year. No, and we're not talking about this year People thought it was gonna be a gamescom. What do you mean? It's happening tomorrow. No Yeah, it's happening the nintendo live 2023 tune in. They're unveiling it at the end of the Do you guys see the lineup for that? You mean how it's all multiplayer games. Well, it's just like, oh, you know We have a stack of animal crossing Amigo cards you can go scan in. Oh, you know come play mario maker. It's just I mean, I guess I guess it's like The thing that sucks for me is like not even a mario wonder demo. No, no nothing Not even at your own event nintendo Like literally don't have a switch that would want to go to a nintendo live event. That's my question What is the the vent diagram of people that don't have these games that would be willing to go to downtown seattle to Attend this I'll say this if I lived in seattle, I might I might just go but but that all this has become really is a local event Which I guess is they only really advertised it as a local event But the problem is they put it on their massive public social media channels Not their local stuff and so they they seemingly wanted to make it a big deal They talked about on the right. Oh, yeah, we're gonna connect to the packs west and they know people travel from out of state to go to packs west But then you're just doing what you did at packs east Which was a bunch of old games brought back It's I I it's good that they didn't charge money for it. It's kind of dumb that it was a raffle but like I guess it would be an okay thing fun thing to do if um If if if it's like, oh, you're already at packs and we're here already. So let's go check out the nintendo stuff for Yeah, like if I live around the area, sure There's so there's competitions that also happen there And I think those would be fun to watch because I always enjoy competitive smash and competitive cart and et cetera, but It's it They didn't advertise an nintendo live and I went to packs east. He did all that same shit there The exact like they had a demo booth for there was demo They had a giant smash roast tournament and they had they had a smash roast stage tournament They had a mario kart smash or excuse me a mario kart tournament going on It was it was the exact same thing and honestly It wouldn't be surprised if they they might have like a couple like new things and make it a little bit more bigger You know bring out people like mario in the suit and all that and so i don't know But this brings up this brings up like it's aiming up to be the same thing as what was at packs east It's just on a bigger scale. Yeah, so I haven't dove it into the fold just of this topic, but Talking all that makes me makes me think about this for a moment. We haven't really had a public facing nintendo demo event Since when 23 Back in 2019 Bring back is is nintendo just not going to do public demos anymore I know that's what I was like when I went to packs and I saw like they had a nintendo thing there I was like super excited. I was like, oh my god. Are we going to get like a tears of the kingdom demo? Like are we going to get to play through? You got it or like I was really copious and Hey play some woolly war play like the first level of woolly world and I was like really a game I already beat cool. Thanks. I'm here. I have a pen and I was like cool. Thanks. Great. Thanks. This is great I mean the statue was cool, but I it's really it really is disappointing because it's like you go to these events You're like you think that you're going to get some really exclusive nintendo experience and Because like I mean that's like the point in the being there, right? But you're just getting the same the same shit. You can go and get it game stop Well, it was really weird or walmart or target It was really weird too because nintendo had a big booth at packs east and yeah Everyone around them has demos of games that aren't out yet Yep. They had a couple of big books but nintendo. They have these massive booths All old games everyone else is showing off games that some of them aren't even out yet still And they're like nope. Well, we're just gonna let me ask you this you want to play marica, right? Were those booths full? Were there people there playing the game some of them were yes Why do new stuff when you can put out old stuff and get the same result? Well It's the it's the it's the merch stuff people want to swag Especially at con let me tell you there were people that literally walked in and looked at the reps and said Can I just walk around and grab the pins and leave and they said sure? Yeah, they're Like the line the line was really big like the first day and after that it never got big again Because everyone realized there's nothing there's nothing it wasn't yeah, exactly once it once word got out that it was just games We already have People were just sort of lost interest in it a bit You could take pictures with mario luigi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there was On the last day the most people I saw there were like people with kids just bringing their kids on through which is fine That's cool. Go meet mario luigi and your pictures and it's fun Good experience for the kids But like a lot of the places that had all the actual demos for game like they were packed You'd have to wait and some of them Uh the the xc'd one that had a lot you could walk up to but then story of seasons The cold one was another one. It was like massive and popular Yeah, there was always a line that was like a wrapped around it three times That's not just cool. It's not just nintendo. I mean xbox and playstation also basically sit out everything I mean the industry just kind of self cannibalized Live events and they just aren't now we have directs and state of plays and xbox whatever it's I mean It's very sad for me because I loved all that they have demos at gamescom and nintendo That's what they have they have a giant they have a giant they have a huge booth But it's all enclosed. No one can see anything. There's one way in and one way. It was probably an emergency There's one way in and one way out. It's a giant red booth and yes people have seen developers walking in and out of it You have to find an nda But that's what i'm saying like they have a man. They have like one of the biggest booths there and yet You can't see anything. It's it's completely cut off. It's not open to the public You can walk by fast, but of course, but you can't get in And and and that was one of the things that was coming out from gamescom was that hey They got this huge booth and they never have a booth this big And yet they're not showing anything all they have is that smash bros tournament Which is happening on a public stage that other companies are also using which is exactly what they did at Pax East And that's it. That's all that's all the nintendo actually has going on there is a smash bros tournament And then they have this big booth That is clearly just for business meetings and it's a lot bigger than their usual Business meeting areas. So that's also leading to some of the speculation that okay You know because like some of the business meeting areas in the past even at e3 you could see in it Wasn't like a big secretive thing This is quite secretive. They want no one seeing anything. They got security at the entrance in the front They're double checking not only your badge. They're checking ids apparently of course because they're trying to make sure you are who you are And i'm just like man, are they For starters, this is just could be some hope you You got nintendo switch two units back there Just say a dev unit. They're showing off to developers to show what they can do and get them interested I'm not saying that they do but you know They already sent out dev units and for anyone who maybe has questions like look we got one We'll let you come in this back room sign nda's See what you do and I know people act like oh, yeah, you know that can't happen Well, every time a new system is coming once game developer conference ends we start to get details about it Why just because the developers who have dev units are together and they're chatting That's how information gets out. They end up chatting with various media outlets and all this other stuff Whether or not we'll get anything out of gdc. I don't know here's the nintendo's business meetings are all these things They do business meetings at e3 or at least they did They do a gamescom they go to tokyo game show every single year for business meetings Uh, they do the same thing at pack season packs us. They also have business meetings there But they do it They don't do it on the floor there because the floor is full public. They do it in some back rooms but um So the business meetings aren't unusual. It is a little unusual how big the booth is for these business meetings that they're doing but What it means is just a guess. We're never gonna know we don't have access I mean exactly. Sorry are you in cologne, germany right now? You're using the green screen Maybe I don't wish I don't know because you know even starfield's not playable there spider-man like Yeah, it's just not what starfield's almost here and they're like we're going to show you a movie theater presentation You couldn't just let people play the beginning of the game because the beginning of the game's same for everyone And it's already leaked out there. You can't just let you play it. I don't Okay Yeah Very of you Yeah, that was star wars that one year Come and watch a theater presentation and even though the game releases in two weeks Okay, sure Anyways beyond all of that stuff that's happening that we really have no idea what's going on, right? Could be about switch to it could be about anything um Is Other stuff going on with nintendo's president shantaro for akawa Uh doing some interviews Just one interview. I guess in this case with the japanese outlet called nhk Uh, and there's a couple things he talks about One of them is obviously just you know one of their Focuses as a company is trying to get people to keep choosing to play nintendo games and their realization that people don't have to play our games And that is one of the core principles we keep in the back of our mind is that hey We got to keep making people want to play they're not just going to keep showing up because we make them We have to give them reasons to do it So I thought that was quite interesting and it does show that nintendo is aware as i'm sure most companies are People aren't guaranteed to play the next mario game just because you slap mario on the title They got to entice people And I think maybe they learned that the hard way because they probably thought new super mario bros You was going to be like a 30 million seller and push we you like crazy because look at the new super mario bros series before it They'll call well, it was so they I think at the time they literally thought just chucking a mario game out there was going to Yes, and it didn't work. So they might have had some humble pie Realizing that we can't just release games and think that's that's just putting the game out there's good enough They got to keep it in mind that they are need to constantly be thinking about fighting for an audience They can't ever just rest And I think all the companies at some point have been guilty of resting when they've been successful Um, so that was really nice to hear Uh, I think that means this whole innovation thing we've seen with curbie and zelda And now mario wonder with the voice acting and the craziness with the world switching Um You know odyssey being able to take over a dinosaur dude. We got to be a t-rex in a mario game All this innovation innovative stuff we see it's just going to sort of be the norm They're going to keep pushing for new and fresh ideas to keep people playing Hopefully waiting to see what the big one's going to be for splatoon. They've sort of just repeated it for three I know Tune pros are going to get into it. Yeah, I know you look I know about the little changes I argue the same thing with madden every year. Okay, I get it The dlc the the second dlc or third deals or whatever the one that's like white. I don't know what it is It looks kind of crazy. I don't know what they're going to do with it But it does look like they're it looks like a big departure from whatever they always do a lot with the dlc too I got their dlc is usually worth it first platoon. Um dlc one was like here's all the old stuff And then deals too is like what the people were excited Well, even people have nostalgia already for the first platoon game, which is well, I mean the first Can you believe? Okay, so I went so I was in since I was in new york I went to the nintendo store obviously and I saw I was we there and like their historical, you know, like gaming case said 2006 and I was like holy shit Three more years and that thing's 20 years old Like isn't that wild and the isn't the we you like isn't that 10 years now? It wasn't that 2012 or 2013 I think it's 2013 2012. Yeah, so that's already 10 years old. Isn't that crazy? The we you was 10 years old almost 10 years old We're just getting old So like it it's eight years old That's that's I could see people who grew up with it and they are now Well, it's wild to me because Barely anyone owned a we you so like for granted Splatoon still sold decently on a system that you know didn't sell well, but it's like man There's people with nostalgia for a game That like barely anyone played. This is sweet I I love all hardcore the community can be sometimes anyways And well, it's awesome for that first part of the dlc as well as there's people who legitimately have never been there before because They didn't buy it we use so it's brand new for them. Yeah nostalgia for those that did have it but Shantara for that car wasn't done just talking. They talked about games, right? We don't Nintendo's going to do their thing with games, right? That's why we that's why we're here If I run a podcast together, we love their games, right? They're going to keep releasing. Hopefully good games But then you talk about revolutionizing the way they play and specifically how they don't want to focus on novelties Which are new and unusual things That's like the exact definition But they basically just exist to exist which some people argue nintendo has sort of done before a new thing just to have a new thing People think that's what the gamepad was A new thing just to have a new thing because nintendo's own developers didn't really seem to want to develop for this new thing The glass is free 3d impressive tech And then they released systems that didn't have it because it turned out everyone was just turning it off because there's headaches and It just was more of a novelty than it was everyone wants to do it all the time and He you know, we haven't seen this new president talk a ton About the future of nintendo because he's not he's not as forward-facing as a wada was a wada was doing interviews all over the place and Always talking about it's always apologizing For the same mistakes over and over again saying that i'll do better and then he never really did but he was trying I just I just think he that you know No no no shade to a wada. He just Very very friendly guy He didn't always seem to understand why things weren't working when they worked, but he also took nintendo to incredible heights So and switch is still one of his final ideas So he's still living his legacy through the current platform, but This new president the only thing we've really heard before now Uh, well one for anyone who thinks nintendo's never mentioned new hardware technically they did back in 2021 when they told us nintendo accounts We're gonna be forward compatible to the new hardware coming in 20 xx Technically that was the first time that he confirmed That they are working on new hardware. He's also mentioned it since then when they stopped mentioning the whole middle of the generation stuff He's talked about how yeah, of course we're working on new hardware. We're always working on new hardware just a general statement Um, and so for anyone who thinks nintendo has never said they're working on new hardware So this president himself has already confirmed they're working on new hardware. I don't know why people Fight tooth and nail about it probably because they're sick of hearing about new hardware Because we've been talking about it since what 2019 2020 switch, bro I get it. Okay. Um, okay But the statement was really interesting to me because it basically sounded like we're not gonna just put something new on a system to have something new It has to if we do a new thing and it didn't even sound like a for sure if we do something It's got to revolutionize the way we play games So I really liked this statement from him But I've talked enough What do you guys think about these statements coming from our fearless leader of nintendo who's never launched a new platform in his life? I thought they were pretty scary to be honest. This is the first time. Um, I saw that lenovo go thing last week Basically looks like a switch then I hear furukawa say this and and I'm like, oh god nintendo Nintendo does not want to just make a nintendo steam deck. They want to do something different They want to do something new and he has that little line at the end where he says, you know If we believe in it, we'll invest in it and I go back to that r&d document We saw like a year and a half ago where they poured a ton of money into something And it got me very worried because I would love just a switch pro a more powerful switch And I do believe it'll still switch. I don't think they're gonna go away from that but between seeing lenovo's basically switched dupe and Now furukawa talking. I'm very concerned that the next switch is going to have AR or VR or something we like we don't even know about and I think that's very dangerous Because every time that they've tried something crazy It's been Real up and down there. There's no real lock And I personally feel like if they just made a stronger switch I think you'd go sell another hundred million like I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility I think it's risky if you're going to do this, but it feels like it's in their dna to They want to revolutionize they want to change the way people think about games how they play games And it seems like that's just part and parcel with their their existence and I I'm excited, but I'm also very fearful of what the heck this thing is going to be so I don't know. I guess I read that what we're talking about like From what I read I interpreted that They're not going to necessarily do anything crazy Like they're not going to innovate just for the sake of doing something different Um, so I actually read it. I was like, oh, okay. So they're just gonna They're going to evolve, but they're not going to necessarily like, you know reinvent the wheel That was my interpretation not for the sake of it differently But if they can revolutionize they'll invest in it and make it happen Right, they're revolutionized if they if they see something. Yeah, and I guess I guess, you know, it's all about perspective like, you know Hey, there's this screen thing that has good buttons on and that's do we you too? Like look the dream cast at hall sensing sticks. Can we please? Can we please just move on? You know Let's go I I I don't know if this helps you feel a little bit more comfortable or not, right? But like have we Had heard any sort of crazy rumors from reliable sources that they're doing something weird or wonky We haven't yet, right? Like Eurogamer reported about switch and it being a hybrid system Before it's revealed and well, they were right Eurogamer and video games chronicle Have not said anything like that. They said it's basically like a switch, right? Like so I Whatever it is remember how how long it was before we found out like that switch would switch That's a good question. How far before reveal I don't remember how far it was because there were rumors about it But I don't remember we had that that real popular image that controller with like the game running on the controller or whatever Yeah Because they had a patent and we had a Good idea. There could be some handheld component because because of that patent and the murmurs out there that it has a screen And we're like, oh, it's going to be a 3ds replacement. I literally remember the image on the Eurogamer where they had like the rectangle like controller Um, oh, yeah, one of the og I wonder if I can find that at least like the date of the Eurogamer report because that that could like, you know Give us some some from my reference to rome. Yeah, because there were rumors about Well, people had speculated about a year and a half before that we that we would maybe get a hybrid system because Who we you was dying down and not doing well and technically Even though the 3ds, you know, did respectable numbers of 75 million. It's crazy to call that respectable I got it. This is the worst selling handheld Okay, so I don't know if this is helpful or not But so I just googled nx hybrid a Eurogamer and this article from July 30th 2016 Um, it says nintendo nx is a portable console with the detach detachable controllers So that's when they put out the report nine months Yeah, um, they unveiled it in October of that year Yeah, I just gotta go off when nintendo showed us like they showed us what it was in October So did they know what the release timing in this article? I don't know Well, I know that I remember there being a lot of speculation It would be holiday that year and I think that might have been an original plan for holiday that year It's hard to know They wanted a killer lineup of first of games for the first year. I know that was one of their focuses What while you're looking for that one other thing I thought about when I I read this was You know furikawa always emphasizes this need to have a smooth transition and nintendo Completely, you know dropped the ball in the we do we you transition Do they need or do they want or do they perceive that they need some defining factor that sets this apart? So it's not just Oh, it's well, we have the OLED we have the light now We have this thing if they really want to separate it as a new generation What what is going to do that for you know, grandma and grandpa walmart that Want to pick it up. Do we think that this president pays more attention to what everyone else is doing? Or do we think he's really isolated? Because they always felt like nintendo was pretty isolated. Yeah, that's all they've handled online I think I think it's hard to know. I feel like it seems like they're more worldly, but Yeah, we haven't seen a ton of major decisions and into your credit with the vr stuff There's a ton of patents out for vr stuff that have come over the last couple of years showing that nintendo has been investing in vr I don't always know that it's a bad thing. I mean playstation has vr. They're you know, they launched the vr2 So as long as it's an optional accessory, I think that's totally fine and nintendo might nintendo's big thing usually when they get something right is They do it in a way that's right time right place right price And the big thing for vr is it's super expensive And if they force it in the box that connect suddenly you might add another hundred dollars onto the system And suddenly it's just too expensive. And so they're not solving that problem But what they could do is You that's not the selling point of the system. The selling point is this but also Say a couple years in instead of over dropping a light actually All those really popular vr games you like we actually have a hundred dollar headset Now you're at a budget price for vr That's even below like the oculus and stuff even the oculus a request to and stuff That's you know, it's it comes into the lower price If the system already has motion controls with it was still with detachable controllers They can say you already have what you need You 30 million owners. Here's a hundred dollar accessory And now you can play beat saber and all these other stuff right here on your switch To or whatever and that that could be maybe where that investment goes Um and in terms of making vr affordable It would be scary to me if they made a vr only device that would be Well, that'd be bold If it's vr only then that's what makes me scared But if it's like an all-in-one that'd be impressive honestly Even if it just ran the way that it currently does and then it also does vr That'd be impressive. I mean, I don't know how that would translate in terms of like, you know How it look in vr and how it run, but if it was a all one type thing That'd be kind of that'd be kind of nuts. I wouldn't lie Can can you guys see? Nintendo getting up there to unveil this and being like it's the switch But more powerful Like because that's what playstation does every time that's what xbox does every time but It's like just like a little video trailer drop kind of Uh, I kind of want that though. I just want like I don't I don't really want I don't want to be gimmick. I just want a better switch Does this president pay attention to what's going on around him because There's only one company in the industry that's been consistent with how much units they sell and that is sony Every single home console sells 100 million plus the one that didn't sold 80 million Which would have been nintendo's second best selling home console until switch came out and people still argue switch isn't a home console So they'll still argue about that the point is sony sees consistent Hardware sales generation to generation and that's what they do. That's not to say they don't innovate This to me is one of the most innovative standard controllers in a long time And so give them credit that also people knock it. I know I'm not a huge fan of it They added this touchpad back on the ps4 I understand it's not like the most popular or most used feature But it is something that still persists with the playstation 5 meaning they're keeping this thing around and it's going to be there for future generations So I I do think that There are ways nintendo can market this because they're not going to market power I don't think we're saying they'll they maybe will mention the word 4k or something Um, it's a marketing term like they did with oled so I could see them bringing up something like that But you're not going to hear about how how many teraflops this thing has and cpu cores and that's stuff that sony and microsoft do But nintendo will be like they're going to show you things That will wow you in in different ways as an example One thing I know that got people really in a tizzy and I don't know how this happened and why this was so exciting But when they unveiled the damn nintendo switch and it had mba 2k and also skyrim Somehow skyrim the game that's on everything excited people About the possibilities of this system. I remember thinking everything on that trailer in that trailer was fake Yeah, because like there's no way there's no way nintendo doesn't release systems like this and turns out all of that was true And there are ways to excite people one. You need a first party game that just looks and feels Significantly like another step above anything people played on switch and if that's the 3d mario Okay, how do you make 3d mario feel and look so much better than mario odyssey? I don't know that's their challenge to is to find a way to make it feel like a next generation jump Um, and then I do think another way is showing off third party games that you couldn't dream would be enough So do you show off elden ring? You you you get a big third party game like that that people like nah That nintendo wouldn't have that game One of that do you think do you am I silly for thinking that the popularity of these portable pc's steam deck wrong ally that bat Takes a feather out of nintendo's cap for saying you can play elden ring on the go No Because one most of the systems are really expensive Um, you know like rock ally 700 bucks. Nintendo's not selling 700. Steam decks 400 Sure, and they were giving them away during the game awards last year because they had too many on the shelf Like they they don't just give away thousands of them to be kind every way They give it away because they had brand recognition, right? Yeah, it's different way. It's different lengths on nintendo Yeah Also to play mario and zelda and mario and they're the only place it doesn't put it anywhere else. Yeah elden ring Yeah, I mean that's the selling but the games are nintendo is different than the other system because um, they are a company that can argue their game cell systems And uh because they can argue that What they have is the selling point is not only are we getting these big third party games You would never dream to be on a nintendo system. By the way, you saw our new 3d mario And that's not the only game we're showing And they show a lineup of like five big nintendo games that maybe drop in the first year Just like they did with nintendo switch and they just go you can't get these anywhere else And guess what if they have new technologies and a new chip they won't be hacked You won't be able to even emulate them day one on pc and suddenly if you really want to play these You really do have to buy this system I I think the best way forward for nintendo is you sell based on games and I think they did that really well with switch I know they had new features to show off and I guarantee there'll be something new Some sort of new features maybe the way Maybe they'll start advertising themselves or we invented driftless sticks even though they've been around for a bit from third parties It's whatever they're gonna have some sort of marketing around it because I I think the key thing for nintendo is If the company's paying attention Everyone else has found a way to sell iterative systems and sell them just as well as the one before So why can't we and I think the past has been One we don't do iterative systems often enough to really know if it's successful And we were doing them during the era where we were literally changing cartridge formats every single generation like that's just It's crazy to think like xbox has been using discs since the first sbox Like playstation has been using it since the first playstation They're not fundamentally changing formats and making people you know have to rethink and repackage stuff So I do think there's some of that in learning from that and then also just learning Hey, let's not confuse people when when have we ever released a platform that doesn't confuse like you don't want other company Confuses people with the name of their systems and is always in last place xbox Maybe we stopped doing that. You know what sells well every year The iphone 14 now the 15 coming out You know what sells well the playstation one and two and when consumers aren't confused about what they're buying Oh, it's the next thing that I already really enjoy and look at all these things it has that my current thing doesn't That's the selling point and it's worked for every other system In existence or every other you know phones and everything else across the industry Simplified marketing iterative. There's still some new things that dynamic island. I don't really sure that's a thing I guess I can now tap the top of my screen to pause music. Is there um, is there a way to Do a sequential naming that goes beyond just a sequel That isn't numbers and when I say that I mean for example, they could call it super switch And I think most of us would get it. But what do they do after that? Do they call it super duper switch? No, that's the problem That's the problem with using a name like that. Is it it locks you into like no We get home with a unique name every time they switch in it and that doesn't really work Also, I don't know that's super. I think super just works for us classic nintendo fans I don't think new consumers that that first time nintendo platform will understand what super switches How is that different than a switch lighter to switch oled? switch to They don't call it switch to but to that but to the point so right Is there something else that they says are another framing a name framing that they could use That they could iterate upon not just more more than once That wouldn't be numbers that people would understand. Oh, that's the next thing They tried it with we you didn't didn't work out so well, but yeah I don't I don't know what you could do especially because they already have these Like you said switch light switch out like that. I mean maybe switch alpha switch beta switch omega. No Switch I just use numbers. It's so simple. It's right in front of your face the nintendo You know a popular well-known brand that's still selling. Well, why just keep the brand going and just release the next one Why is omega just not cool though? Does it not it doesn't have to be cool If furikawa is so smart and he's you know things differently and he He's looking around the industry. Why is he still hell bent on referencing revolution changing the experience? Because it's just kind of large to The 80 year olds in the the board room or I know I I think I think it's because what he's trying to say is just because we And maybe he's referencing this because they're about to release an iterative system But just because we're doing this doesn't mean that we're not going to continue to try to revolutionize things And that's why I said that revolution could literally be they've been investing in vr And they're going to try to make the cheapest vr possible for people who already own a system because even playstation 2 vr Not cheap you got to buy a ps5 and you got to spend like another three 400 bucks Yeah, you're almost 1,000 in plus you got to buy a game So like they got the new playstation portal The oh, yeah, the new ps3 It looks disgusting So that's my thing is like nintendo can find a way to revolutionize without having to necessarily Put all their eggs in one basket. I just don't know why the guy can't say we want to provide the best gaming experience for our consumers Why does he say provide customers with a fresh and surprising experience? Why why are those the words he chooses? Why is it not just the best gaming experience the ultimate game? He's not sony It's just this is that's a sony thing to say, but a switch fresh and new but it sucks And this guy doesn't make video games so like he doesn't probably think in terms of making video games If we're honest a switch 2 that's more powerful is not fresh and surprising It would out. You know what though for nintendo it would be okay. All right They're big innovation is that they're not Motion controls to a tablet to 3d screens to detachable controllers and now we're gonna stick with that. Okay, cool. I By the way, I wrote through the article. I didn't see a release date But it did say that they were expecting an unveiling in september, which was wrong It ended up being october Well, they they you know, obviously they weren't saying that for sure was gonna happen then But that's kind of what they were hearing at the time. So and then Eric reference by the way there the nintendo switch more It's his last name Yeah, no nice Well, yeah What if I told you nintendo already told us when switch 2 is coming out? Because they said in that in that little thing, right? This is this is mostly I swear if you're only 23 again No, this is mostly a joke because I thought it was funny So you mentioned they had like that little spreadsheet that said 20xx and I was like, huh What letter like what number letter in the alphabet is x it's 24 So if you sub out the x you could put in 2024 they told us Two years ago And then it comes up in the interview that yeah, we subtly referenced that in the past No, I guess the other option here is that The switch 2 isn't as viewed as a next generation as we Want it to be or think it could be maybe it really is just a switch What what if so nintendo's always had the two systems, right? Um until until now obviously the switch, uh, what if they're like look, we're gonna keep the switch going We're gonna lose the switch too. It's gonna be that next generation dls. That's whatever However, they market the damn thing. Um, it's gonna have a whole bunch of games But they decided to release a separate VR device or something we're just going to VR because that's like the one technique We know what nintendo's messed around with it hasn't really seen success. Um What if they resist a low device that tries to be like the meta quest too It tries to undercut its price and provide nintendo exclusive games on it like what if it's like, hey, we're just gonna have another device That's separate. We're not gonna because because for how we keep saying we keep it up here Then we fall off a cliff Well part of the reason you fall off a cliff is because you fundamentally abandon the audience you build So why why not keep that audience? And then still try to revolutionize on the side with something new And maybe that ends up being something you combine down the road at some point Um, but for now, you know, like it's kind of like look at what they did with release the ds And they said it wasn't a replacement for the game boy. It's because they're like, okay We you know if this doesn't do well, we need to have another game boy come out Um, and they're like, well, let's just keep the switch to going or switch for everything going And I know they could say well, just keep making switch games and just keep doing that But I just I sort of see And maybe this is just me looking at the other companies because that's All I really have to go off of because we don't know what this damn president's gonna do because he's never released anything He wasn't even he wasn't in charge when the switch came out either like he's Never released a new platform. So we don't really know his mindset The only thing we know consistently is he says we're always up here and then we go down here and we're not We're gonna stay up here Well, I don't know how revolutionizing and which is fundamentally abandoning the audience that is still buying your games and record numbers Is going to prevent you from going from up here to down that it literally sounds like We're going from here to down here again because this is what we do And then we're going to find a new idea in the future to get back up to here And I'm like, well, it just doesn't it sounds like the opposite of what he's been preaching But to your to your credit zack You know we're a nintendo we revolutionize Oh, and he's still he's still pirating your parodying that which is what a lot of used to say This fresh and new though may not always reference the hardware itself I mean look at what uh breath of the wild did to zelda Look what mario odyssey did to mario. Look what, you know, kermi's fresh new. I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean Hardware it could mean software it could mean just the experience Innovate it with their games at this generation. That's a really good point. Yeah, like breath Yeah, this yeah, I mean and maybe they fixed the uh joy con drift by not even having quick controllers And it's just an another camera in the front that iTrack That that reads your mind or so. Yeah, that's simple Yeah, we focus on nintendo's consoles But I think we have to now consider the nintendo's in more markets now I would argue their mario kart ride is pretty revolutionary for rides at a theme park And that's also technology that they invested in If I say couldn't that just be the tech could not just be the vr Stuff that we're speculating about and it just well the vr the vr stuff they put in It's just for the theme park Okay, the reason I bring that up is the vr patents clearly show a video game system. Yeah I I get that you were using it as like a as like a connection or example But I remember I think it was I don't remember who brought it up But like they were that they did invest in that at some point so oh, yeah And they were going to keep investing in vr. I'm sure it wasn't out. They released product I mean, here's them. We got lab of vr. So we just live it. We know they obviously care about vr Because that's twice now. They have a that's like google cardboard though, you know, you just take it Well, yeah, that was one of the other eggs isn't in one basket and here you go except Okay, this maybe wasn't the best way to deliver vr. Yeah, you think something you have to hold to your head You don't even include a strap He you Yeah, I just get it. I just wanted kids not to keep it strapped to their head to fall asleep with it or something I I just think they did great with the switch Like the switch was great for a lot of reasons including facilitating more innovation Got nintendo labo. We got ringfoot adventure. We got game builder garage We got mario kart life circuit like they kept doing these different things the switch was compatible with in different ways I mean even even a mario party had like you could connect two different tablets together So they had innovation Label was kind of a big deal for a little bit They made a big deal. They did a big marketing push for it. That's for sure. Yeah, so I mean I I just wonder like maybe that's just what they should do They should just make the switch to it and it kind of goes back to Like nintendo's doing the parts are doing the movies like maybe they want something that's just really consistent and reliable So there's always that core for the fans to go to right So I think in in in that sense it actually makes more sense for them to do something That they know is going to work like so I think what's most important is for them to establish a consistent Foundation, you know, we're not talking about though and because you know like xbox and playstation I got I got him behind me, you know, supposedly. Hey, it feels like the last system but more powerful Or maybe there's a new feature you don't appear or something but um Like you can't have game pass on xbox 360 as an example But I I look at this and I go those systems also have had something for a number of years a paid online subscription Nintendo now has a paid online service called nintendo switch online It is consistent yearly revenue that is growing for them at least according to their own numbers everything they report It's a little bit higher, you know a couple billion higher than it was the year before And when you have a subscription service it's recurring revenue One that is sold on the basis of say even right now the classic library of games We still have to be able to play those classic library games. So how crazy can you go? Away from a service that you're selling now Because I almost feel like even then calling it the nintendo switch online almost felt like I know they can rebrand it anytime they want It would be a totally nintendo thing to rebrand nso Uh, but maybe it's because they view hey switch is our future that is going to be our new our new consistent brand And this subscription service is going to carry forward, which I assume they're going to carry forward By the way, when they said nintendo accounts carry forward, they never mentioned nso That's why I went back and rechecked that entire financial briefing They don't mention an nso in terms of uh caring forward. They mentioned nintendo accounts Important to note because nintendo accounts aren't just on switch Ever play mark our tour or any of those games on here? Sign up for a nintendo account. Yeah, that's why they got 200 million something nintendo accounts So they claim so I think that when you have a recurring subscription thing as well You have to be a little careful on revolutionizing because you can literally abandon everything people are paying for with that subscription service and lose subscribers as well And I think part of that also keeps xbox and playstation staying a little bit iterative He is hey At some point that's a really big month billions a year And nintendo's service is starting to get a bit pricey if you start look at the top packages It used to be that little cheap thing you got for 12 bucks a year That's not really that way anymore It's it's actually getting quite pricey and people are paying for access to play online games and they're paying for access to classic games um And obviously cloud save data backup and I just think if they're going to carry that forward to the next system Then you can't go so wonky That suddenly it's like oh Remember all those nso games that you could play? Well now we're all in vr with full motion controls You can't play any of them anymore Oh, well, I don't I don't I know that I like I I'm not going to say they're not going to do anything with it Because when we talk about switch we're talking about how successful it is It has a function on it by the way that basically is never used the ir camera Something they added as an idea that they barely use And I think maybe there could be something like that where they have some sort of Additional feature that's more like an optional That if they decide one day they can do something cool with it cool if they can't it just won't be the primary selling point Um, sort of like hd rumble really neat idea, but most developers didn't really use it that well. Maybe it's Some you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised. They're like, we we just created rock rumble Well, what was it? Oh, yeah, when you touch it now, you could feel a rock in there Okay, okay, but I could feel dice and ice cubes before I'm confused Um, but like I could see Nintendo like trying to make a big deal out of some new feature like that Um, like let's say they they add, you know, the adaptive triggers or whatever the heck these things are called in playstation Or something like that where you could feel the tension of a bow You think they're going to describe it the way sony does Oh, no, they'll come out and be like you can you you can hold the controller sideways like this Put your two fingers like this and you're playing a violin or something like that or a harp And you could feel each string pole as you pull it back with motion control You can see Nintendo describing it in such a Nintendo way that you're like, this looks so ridiculous And then literally halfway through Click we click on and we're just playing Mario and I don't know that even mattered in the first place Um, but like I could see Nintendo trying to market some new wonky Like remember they marketed the hello to hd rumble and that ir camera. You could eat sandwiches and you know No cows and it's like, okay cool But literally none of that is why your system sold well But you still marketed the hell out of it and created a lot of memes and it was wonderful So I could see them like trying to come up with some new feature that they could market in some crazy wonky way But at the end of the day, it's still basically just a system that you're going to play with traditional controls That is more powerful. It just has games that the other system can't have and I think that is a big selling point and that includes Nintendo because Looking at Nintendo's games. I think there are some games you can point to and see man. They really hit the limits, huh? Like tears of the kingdom Amazing wonderful, but you pay close enough attention. They're using a lot of tricks Um, and they've really probably hit the limit of what they can do is I mean it even feels like there's stuff They wanted to go beyond that maybe they couldn't do because of the limitations of switch Um, I'm not going to go into scarlet and violet because that's a whole different conversation about that's just Yeah, I don't even want to get into that because that game should look and play and feel Yeah, that I might even a blame switch on that one I mean, I was saying that a more powerful system would have made it easier for them, of course it would have but I don't know Maybe we're over complicating or over reading into this revolutionize how we play and maybe it is something really simple Is oh, we're just going to throw haptic feedback in the joy cons of the pro controller and that's it It could be that's how I interpreted it. We put some jack on there Oh Like, oh, yeah, we added a headphone jack to the pro controller. That would revolutionize for me No, no, here's what it wouldn't be though It would be like look we put we put a headphone jack on and when you put the headphones on in combination with our new Improved hd rumble plus plus you get a completely immersive Experience and they just show you like touching the controller and suddenly it's like you're shaking mario's hand in a game or something With the audio blasting from all directions with 3d Like nintendo is going to market it in some way that just sounds insane And it's clearly likely not even true and we're just going to go okay cool, but in the end Is that 3d mario game? We're pretty sick guys because that's all we're going to be talking about They won't put a headphone jack on there They'll do what xbox does and have that weird like xbox specific port on the bottom of their thing So you can just plug a whole thing in And it won't they won't have a jack so that way you have to buy this specific They do have a headphone jack as well Now that i'm looking at it and nintendo wouldn't do that though. That's too easy. They have both is what i'm saying Who knows xbox it you actually give us both dongle's all the way dongle's all the way Let's think about something for a moment. Oh, I know how they can make it look different too. By the way This never gets talked about. I brought it up one time What's another signifying system? We all we all think of like the switch, right? We use it in our thumbnails and stuff. We have to switch switch OLED But you know what also a signifying thing just from a marketing perspective the damn dock And they just fundamentally change the way the dock looks and feels it's already gonna look like a new product Revolutionized the way we play by putting cartridge slots in the you or like the way you mentioned One of the previous episodes is make it it like the dock has hardware in itself that just makes it look better when you play docked I mean that it could literally be that simple I mean, you know So I let me let me let's just try and go at this from a slightly different angle When we had the Wii U Right, I remember a common sentiment was man It'd be great if I could take this more than 10 feet away from the from the console So what did they do? In my hallway so I could use it in the bathroom. I'm weird. I'm weird like that. I don't know But I kind of understand though, right? Because like I wanted console game while I'm look if I'm gonna be on the job for 20 minutes Dude, I had some Chipotle. It's gonna be a bit. I need that. I need my Wii U. Come on My point is though there was something about the Wii U where like what there there are certain things that you're like I wish this was better. I wish we could do this with this right even with a three to so I meant I wish the resolution was a little bit higher. I wish there was a second control stick Right and those things became things for the switch, right because it Planned the same direction with both Is there something about the switch? They were like man, I really wish they did this like this would this would naturally better control sticks Let's build the only thing besides power power control. That's literally it I'm tired. I'm tired of every set of joy con. I've only drifted at one point or another every set of them That's it. That's the only thing I really have a major complaint about otherwise everything else for me was switch Audio jacks as next yeah audio jacks. I suppose Or or just have a They do have bluetooth support now, right? So we can't technically yeah, and I use wireless headphones anyways So like for for me, that's really was the big thing with bluetooth and they added that So honestly like you bring up that point that every system we played it always felt like oh, there's something else we want Without some crazy accessory. They released that monster hunter When we had to get the extra control stick on 3ds for monster hunter He didn't have to but it was an extra accessory And I think it was usable The boat Yeah, the boat the boat. Yeah So you're sort of right that I'm both like on we you it was very obvious I would like to have this thing that tied down the 10 feet, right? I mean that was a common thing with people who had it and then obviously with with 3ds it was like oh we'd like a better control stick than a slider But if we have a slider we'd like to we don't have to there is something that comes to mind for me Well, what's that something for me? It's just more power and I just want to put this in perspective It's not so much like the obvious things just like as you're playing Like those kind of like random thoughts that come oh, I wish I could do this right like some things that you're kind of Almost like subconsciously inclined to want to do and but you can't because of limitations of the system Something that I have been inclined to do on switch, but haven't been able to do Is sometimes I'm playing it say like in portable mode And I'm in the living room with my family or friends. I just want to show them Right. I could just get up and plop it in but what if you could just be like, oh, let me show you right? And so like it maybe there could be times where you could send maybe like certain messages or imagery to the dock Maybe like there could be multiple switches that connect to a single dock or something like that Which wouldn't be like this sort of like a major innovation might be just like a A neat little thing they could do if the dock had some like bluetooth capability So you could sync multiple docks or maybe send some sort of imagery to the dock itself Because it would be weird to just cast to that why are we just plop it in Wireless hd people left wireless hdmi is a thing it does exist um actually actually That would be kind of neat But also why well, but what if this is the thing it's a dock. Remember that one That one fan mock-up with the switch up here and a little thing down here and you set the switch on top of it Um wireless charging face up. Yeah, it's like a little charging dock But what if that was also the new dock and it just wirelessly transmits to your tv instead of you even needing a wire And that's the Nintendo thing is like we're a full wireless system All you need to do is plug in power That's it You say they're not that innovative they're the company to give us glasses free 3d granted it exists in another Like they would be the ones to be like no one's no one's even thought about trying to use wireless hdmi We're gonna do of course the complaints are gonna be when it doesn't work and we're gonna hear a bunch of horror stories like a one i'm sure but But maybe it's optional maybe maybe they also let you like it's an optional thing like you could physically plug in a wire So that's like their solution. Hey, you want to be wireless. We give it to you But if for somebody that's not working, we also give you an hdmi cable if you'd like An optional feature like the ir camera if you developers want to use it cool if not I don't know I literally just had that pop in my mind because I watched the video the other day Like why was hdmi does technically exist and does work I think um The joy con should have better S buttons the sl and sr buttons for when you're in co-op mode They do put the the slide coming in. Yeah, but without the slidey thing. Yeah, then How are you gonna slide it out to your switch? With a better design Make it bigger just make it bigger right like you can figure Yeah, they don't have to that's what apple did we're gonna keep making the comparison apple Apple just made the iphone bigger and then it eventually got massive and now they're making the joy con Joykins can be a lot better There's like barely any ergonomics to them like that they they could get rid of that dumb ir camera thing That's honestly What is it the uh, like the you won't if they want to keep compatibility with A hoary pad the third part doesn't have it. Those are great Yeah, I suppose switch like there's actually some games you can't play on switch light Right. Well, I mean if the switch 2 I I don't think like if the switch 2 is equally as compatible To switch as switch light is I think that's fine considering switch light is a switch That doesn't switch I remember making so much fun. I'm like, he's serious right now. That's what you're off You could allow this little thing to look don't put the dock in the in the box But at least sell like a mini dock for it or something right you could might no not even an option So when people were mad that it wasn't even an optional accessory Maybe that's how they revolutionize is they do another switch light The switch to switch light to switch to light. I don't know and switch xl old light light for me They have a little dock that you can buy because then in theory You'd also have to buy a pro controller Which most people who have a light may or may not have already but then there's two extra accessories. So And people have to buy them and then you can put it on the TV and you can still get your little budget switch But by the time you put all the money together and realize how much you spent could have just bought the switch too All right, all right I think probably the best answer is probably the most boring one Which is that Furukawa seems like someone that likes to keep things close to his chest We haven't heard about Metroid forever. We got a mario game announcement three and a half months before it's out We didn't know anything about the second half of the year for half the year And maybe this is just his bs way of keeping people at bay until you know, they are ready Everyone's talking about it's fine. I'll throw something out there. This is just typical Give him a ball. We have a good day. Oh, we're always worried that people aren't gonna buy our games Oh, we're always trying to revolutionize but not a novelty And I do find the fact that he mentioned not a novelty just so it's almost like he recognizes Yes, sometimes we've just done things to do things not because it actually We're gonna say like we thought we you game pad was going to be this revolution It really was our own developers didn't even want to use the stamp and why did we even Miyamoto why that's why Miyamoto was tasked towards the end of the general you need to prove why we had this thing So he's forced it into everything And then outside of star fox guard. It really wasn't a great idea I will defend star fox guard though. That was a good game and a good use of the game pad So good You was really good with it too. Yeah, would you say that Star fox guard is so good that it's one of the only Nintendo franchises that didn't make it to switch I mean it might not be all the work fundamentally because you need two screens Yeah, oh, could you imagine? This is this is total copium. Hopium. Could you imagine if they did do a vr system? And they made a star fox vr game where it's like you're sitting in the r-wing and that's how you play it That would be a perfect never gonna happen. That would be sweet That would be a way to get me interested in the vr throw a metroid vr. Really, it's just gonna be mario tennis Tried and true, you know what if they move all their sports games over to dr I mean And they're like the games today where they all play really well Like the gameplay isn't really what people complain about it's the content And they just go we have amazing gameplay in vr, but the contents are kind of lacking I think people actually be okay with it in vr because they may be So enthralled with the gameplay being great. It'd be like we sports all over again Okay, there's not really a lot here. You're just playing the sport really a man It's fun. We gotta hit the vr tech out of the park because like yeah, you can they're like it could easily Awful and it not work. So they've really got to get that solid a bit before anything else I also wonder if they might not go with vr because now like The way that apple's doing the vr thing. I know it's super expensive and hardly anyone's gonna own that am I It's like the first time they showed something and then people tried it out that they're like, oh Oh, so this is why this is going This is actually really really awesome And I think nintendo might look at that and other stuff and go like We need to somehow be the first to do something like that but at a budget And how do we do that? And I don't know if the tech is there really to do that yet at a budget but Because nintendo they like to do right for the right place right time. I don't know that Like when I think about vr and it is look vr has has a community I wouldn't say it's a growing community, but it does have a community There are people that really enjoy vr and that is totally fine. My kids really enjoy it as an example Yeah vr is neat and I'll and I'll say this You know, my kids don't watch podcasts. I'm gonna say that they're gonna be our headset for christmas and Who's gonna use it the most this guy because I'm gonna be playing Beat Saber as well as my workouts every single day I'm gonna be using it for one of my daily workouts and Uh, it's it's it's neat Uh, but I don't know that this is like right time to try to popularize it I just don't I don't quite think the technology is at a point and at an affordability point to And I think the apple the vision thing sort of shows it like this is where it's going We're not really at the right point to popularize the medium in a way, uh that Nintendo did with motion controls and stuff. So I just I just feel like that probably won't be the thing even though they are investing in it I just don't know what the thing's gonna be if there is a thing and if there is a thing then This kind of counters what I was saying earlier, but I'm trying to bring myself back down to to earth And maybe there isn't anything significant. I hope you that we're getting the iterative system zack if that's what you Yeah, I mean if we believe The train of thought that the OLED was supposed to be the pro. There's no way in two years three years if they were able to Design some crazy new VR type system and about phase So so maybe it is just gonna be what we wanted to be That would be that would be great And then we've got a lot of great videos where you start to go, you know what maybe Nintendo is going to be iterative Maybe I would love that. I mean, I think if furikawa can deliver Then we can look forward to the best era of nintendo because then we say we have power and we have Game design at its pinnacle right now from nintendo This is this somehow is going to be better than the switch and if furikawa is the guy to To usher that in because he says hey, somebody does it we can too then more power to him and I also think the market nintendo's and like you brought up all the handheld PCs gaming stuff before You know, I was looking at the the sales figures that are available for some of this stuff and The steam deck is by far and away the best selling of them all But like when you look at the steam charts at how many people are playing games on steam deck, it's still Like less than a million people playing. Yeah, it's very small. So like it's not that big We were we're out of system with 130 million people. There really isn't anything competing with it It's basically is in its own market So that's another thing too is where every time nintendo has made a change It's when they sort of either lost the market they have Or because they can't compete in the same market as somebody else for whatever the reasons were obviously What led to the game cube not being able to compete as directly appears to it's a long winding tail of releases and decisions along the way that led to that but um When they did we they had that lightning in the bottle, but it quickly died out because hey, guess what everyone else adapted motion controls Oh, and by the way now, it's moving into vr where it actually makes more sense And people are now buying hdv's and now they don't really want things to look so blurry when they're playing more serious games Um, and so nintendo sort of lost that market ds I think they kind of lost that market just the phones people forget it came out before smartphones were popular I think that's just the the the way it did like the whole touchscreen gaming It was so cool and people loved it and it was used in a ton of games Nintendox is an example people love that game. It sold so many copies but These devices the smartphones started getting popular and now okay now it's not nearly as impressive as it once was um, so now nintendo doesn't really have that market to themselves or sharing that touch market with a more popular In growing in growing aviduist tablets and phones Um, and now they have this market where yeah, they're still sharing you can argue They're sharing it with these pc handhelds sure to a degree Uh, but nintendo still has things those pc handhelds don't start as exclusive games. There's exclusive pc games. Absolutely There's probably more exclusive pc games. How many of them are marketed like that? Is steam is steam deck out there pushing Some mass. Am I seeing a commercial for a an exclusive for steam deck anywhere? How about a poster at a game store? How about, you know, like they're they're not pushing Exclusive games because none of these systems own them Technically val bones games, but We're not gonna get into the sadness that val doesn't really really send any new games. It's sort of sad Val you have a lot of really good IP. Come on now. Go back to making games. It'd be nice. Uh Don't be scared of the number three Sorry I'm sorry. Am I hurting some val fans? I'm really sorry. I don't know why they're so afraid of the number This is an nintendo pie But well these are like competitors, but None of them have really taken off. I think to the degree they thought they might and I I think val really thought steam deck would be like a Really big like we're gonna do what switch does but better And like we have seen we have a forever library And it never really caught on to the level that maybe they hoped hence why they had so many that they were just giving away Let me tell you, you know who's not giving away systems Nintendo sony or xbox for for that matter because they're selling the systems they make So I I do think that Uh, nintendo's still sort of in its own market and I don't feel like they feel at least I Again, this is just speculation But the way furikawa has been behaving seems that he has he has mentioned that he's a little worried about the transition and stuff Which they have to be nintendo has dropped the ball at so many Next generation Uh transitions that you can't help but be nervous when you're moving off of something this successful And I don't think sony ever really behaves in a nervous way publicly But this is a new president who's never had to transition. So I I just I get this feeling that nintendo Has learned We now have a subscription service. We now have bluetooth audio, which should have been there at launch didn't happen till furikawa came along Uh, we now Have region free which was something we didn't have before but it's not become a selling point I know they've been cracking on a little bit on it lately That was more sort of crashing economies. I think To be honest, I I don't think that they were completely unreasonable with that Um, I we look when when your currency value drops that that quickly in a week Guys, they could buy tiers of the kingdom for five dollars usd at one point last week In that in argentina for five dollars usd Yeah, that's how bad the economy crashed. So it's like no Like at some point they're just gonna be like we have to stop this And I think they'll lift those restrictions if the if the peso there ever bounces back So I I think that's just paying attention to ebbs and flows of economies, but nintendo Uh, I I think we've just seen so many Oh, yeah, this is this makes sense. Oh now we have a subscription service. Oh now we're offering our classic games Just like the other platforms do. Oh now we're uh, you know, we're pushing online play like the other platforms Oh now we have cloud saved backups. Guess who has those They're starting to do more and more of what gamers expect Will also being in a avenue that nobody else is really in And that is the hybrid system even when we talk about these handheld PCs You know what those handheld computers never talk about? Docking and playing on your monitor with a mouse and keyboard. They always just talking about take your p It's an accessory to a It's the ps vita to the playstation And maybe it's important to point out that nintendo's eggs aren't all in the video game basket anymore So they don't need that to be this company defining wonder kind anymore. Like it can be iterative And we still have movies and theme parks and over, you know, wherever else they decide to go We don't need it to be this showpiece of our, you know, genius It's everything just have it be the switch to and that's why I tell us the technology stuff could be about the rides I mean think think about this think about some of the reports We've seen that they're about the donkey kong ride coming out and like how they're gonna have tracks That move and And no other rides ever really had this before that's pretty innovative And technology for a ride and I can't wait. It's gonna be crazy Think about disney like, you know how disney like you look at like all the innovations that have with their rides and stuff Like what if the nintendo is just disney 2.0? But I mean that I mean that in a good way certain things that their company just sort of say consistent that you can rely upon Some things are consistent other things are just inventive and that's awesome It's one thing I like about disney like you can rely on a certain level of consistency with some things I give an example I don't know this is kind of a bad example because everyone's got all their you get you can consistently think that the live-action disney movies suck It's pretty consistent popular opinion online. I don't agree with it with every single one But fine, I also don't agree with some people that that say that their quality on their animated films has gone down I really like their animated films every single time Like all of them are good Not all of them are gonna hit the success of frozen, but not everyone likes frozen either I like the old star the new star wars movies like kind of yeah, like they do some good stuff Like I'll you say this like for everything that people yell about air Like for everyone who gets mad about the marvel cinematic universe with the movies I gotta say those disney plus shows They're actually pretty good Oh, yeah, disney plus that's did the disney plus shows are Even mandalorian like I don't know what it is whatever whoever's doing these shows. Why are they doing the movies because Dave Filoni Like damn, I can do it Who's a marvel fan and not excited for the Loki 2 season coming up? I mean, I'll be honest I'm a big marvel guy. Loki is all I'm looking forward to I could care less about anything Well, Loki season that's first season was so great. I was thinking I you know, I had all the build-up from the prior movies I actually canceled my disney plus Membership recently because I've been I've been paying for it for like the last two years and not using it Yeah, the last time I used it was when I watched Loki. So yeah in Loki season 2 scum. It says I'm about to cancel ours is I haven't watched the new season of mandalorian yet either. I'm gonna watch that Our disney plus expires in November. We're not renewing it So like right now I'm binging through a bunch of stuff that I have And I'm like She borrowed my account like two months ago and then she's like, oh because she's she's got uh, you know A little kid and stuff and another one on the way So like they're starting to get her her children into disney movies and I'm like, that's cool. Well, I don't want it anymore I'll just keep paying for it. Okay I'm cool. I'll just watch it when I want I don't gotta worry about it Um, but anyways It is interesting to think of Nintendo as maybe literally becoming a lot more like disney now like they have movies Yeah, I had a tv shows one day They they definitely have obviously the video game avenue and that's been like one of their core pillars But now they have the theme parks and the theme parks are expanding and plans for future and future and more and more To the point that the nintendo part of the universal parks might end up being the biggest part of the whole damn park So And that's probably good for universal because I don't remember people talking about their parks too much In a long time But they haven't had any I was trying to because I love theme parks and and that was always the one that didn't seem like they were adding a lot of New stuff very often until they got this nintendo deal done. So Yeah Anyways, I just kind of think that like going back to like the whole gimmick a switch to or or lack there of I I really kind of feel that we are headed towards a switch to if that's the name they choose or not, but Probably, you know, I just Well, please but I won't else what they call it If there's no major gimmick, what else are they gonna call it? They might just call it switch 4k That's got a number still. I guess they call it switch 4k I only bring that up because they said switch oled and I never thought that they would use a technology To brand and advertise I mean that have they ever done that before I mean they've had 64 Yeah, 64 bits. Yeah Um Well, I mean the 3ds is yeah. Yeah, so I said 3ds 3d on words switch haptic They just really lean into the haptic feed. That's why I'm like I cast they can call it switch 4k But the more do you go with the next one if they do another one switch a k like uh, maybe switch No switch 120 because it's going to be 100. Oh here we go Just like just like it was supposed to be xbox 720 and then they said xbox one like what what? No, I meant like just like for for the frames, but yeah, yeah, I think switch pro is still really possible I think sure. I mean, I don't think you throw it out Keeps it, you know keep it in the family as they say. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't throw it out Yeah, is there any way they could justify a new console being part of the same generation? So they just keep that number. Oh, they might act like it's part of the same generation. Yeah I'll call it switch color Oh Because that's what they did with the color but it can't be switch color because They're supposedly getting rid of the OLEDs. Well, it's gonna have an 8 in screen. It's just going to be called the switch big boy Switch black and white Big babies the big big baby. Here it is The big switch the biggest the biggest switch. That's it It's like a switch do switch advance would be okay. Yeah. Yeah The problem I hear with like super switch or like switch advances always well, then this is this is the last generation of this Oh, but game game boy managed you what game boy advance And sort of sp was still same generation. It was like they're That it was like they're OLED. They're uh improved improved version of itself But like even when you think about it though, that's just like, okay So they went game boy and game boy advanced in the moon to the s They just okay Where do you go? I got it. Super Nintendo Okay, Nintendo 64 Not really an advancement on super Nintendo. It's sort of something different and then game cube. Just okay. Why? Okay, cool. We maybe what if what if they're so confident in their brand name that they can just say It's the new switch like what if they don't want to Well, that's like how strong is the switch brand like If you think about a lot of brands, they were sort of dying by the end of the system Is the switch brand any less relevant today? It's pretty relevant As far as relevant as you could expect the seven-year-old system six and a half I mean just second best-selling system and it almost caught up the PlayStation 5 last month. Yeah, which is the new system I got an idea switch 2 0 And they just do it like they're updates Well, it's just really just it's it's kind of the same idea exact like it's just it's it's it's it's a switch It's a switch But the 2.0 moniker is just hey, this is next people would understand it You still call it a switch you still call it a switch, but So, you know, it's switch 2.0 is this next gen Yeah, I know that we're completely different looking box and different marketing material and everything And yeah, they'll probably be a few like I think they'll be you guys think they're gonna be This gotta be some design philosophy changes Like I could see if they want to make like old joy con forward compatible But like then if they still have detachable controllers, I feel like the new ones would look a little different Or maybe I'm way out base and then I think they will I think I think they're well Yeah, like just they like differentiate. It just gives it a different That's why we see like some of those you'll switch to designs where they have the extended handles like a normal control It's just to make it look different. It just makes it stand out from what the old one was while still basically being this, you know similar design concept Of course, you know, I don't know how the handles work with using them sideways, but I'm not saying the handles are going to be what makes it look different. I'm just saying like I don't really know how that works with the whole I don't know My kids were just using the split joy console. They play Mario Kart So like it was a good idea To have have the two instant controllers for friends But could also throw in those different joy con colors that are exclusive to the new one That make you want to buy it Give us actual do we have actual purple joycons like solid purple? That isn't the wasn't there. I know like the platoon one That's blue I'm talking like, you know, like the switch to Maka that's like the somewhat pastel purple Yeah, it's the one that has the little grips on the bottom. I'm talking like that color purple. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a game cube Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, we have the we have a pastel purple and green There's a purple and orange. Yeah, there's a purple and orange pair There's a lot of damn joycons, but like I don't know if there's just straight purple. There's some that um Third party ones obviously, but yeah, there was never a purple the plain purple set that released Give us, you know what? Here's what I want from switch to give us some more color variety for the pro controller I don't want like I like the plain black controller and I like the different versions for the different games But I want like I don't think give us more. Why don't think it's like the xbox thing where you can customize controllers Yeah, I mean these little grippers down here look like they could come off or you like maybe you could pop this face Plate off you can switch out the grips technically If you unscrew the screw, it's like one screw. Yeah And switch them out they make third party ones that are a different color. Yeah I'll make a little prediction the biggest change for switch to is in the ui who Please that could be a big differentiator the ui just looks entirely different Yes, the innovation is that there won't be a ui It's physical only now through digital and we're back to insert cart hit power Game loads But what changes do you want in the ui zack? I mean themes a better e-shop just just a more modernized You know look and feel to everything I think they could I mean there's that one real goofy mock-up where they make it more interactive the guy that came out and said like Oh, I just did this is a design product Project where like, you know, the cartridge goes in and things move. I mean, I think they could Yeah, put up a little bit. I I guess like in my head. I would like to think that maybe the switch to is The you know the ds light to the the original clamshell ds and maybe they just the joycon are better There's no drift. It's a cleaner system. It's more ergonomic and it just looks and feels better. And maybe maybe that's enough like You throw a 3d mario on there and maybe that's enough Well, and I hope they think it's well And one thing to consider now this compared to prior systems all their games are on one system now So unlike before their consistent game output should just stick around. Yeah, um, so that's all I need When you have I mean It's not going to be zelda and mario in the first year again Uh, but it could be it could be it could be a top down. Maybe I don't know. I mean, they have a 3d zelda ready to go in 2025 And now we're pulling some some wind waker shenanigans out of nowhere after twilight princess if they're Anyways, the point is like they're gonna have a I think they're gonna have a really solid first year lineup Just like they did. I mean it was more than solid in 2017 And that's one thing to consider is that their games do sell systems And I think for them it's just the system just needs to be appealing And the rest will sort of take care of itself as long as nintendo brings their quality games and the innovation to the games And keep making games you go on like as an example There's been all this debate about the next mario kart game and what are they gonna do after? You know what that's for nintendo to worry about And when they wow us when they drop nine or ten or x or whatever the hell they call this thing universe Whenever they they drop it. I bet you we're gonna look at it and go. Yeah, dude. They did it again How does nintendo keep doing like I can see zack over in the video nintendo. They did it again How do they keep doing this? We thought we reached the pinnacle Because it's just what nintendo's been doing lately like every time a new game Comes out like oh, they can't do splatoon three after two they did it again Like nintendo just keeps finding ways to excite people with their games and they keep getting away with it How do they keep getting away with just making games? We want we want to buy all the time The only thing I will say I don't know how they keep getting away with this Why is it the same? How can we not have the same holiday bundle for six years? I mean, well, we'll see I'll throw out nintendo. You can put out. You can bundle other games for the holidays. It's okay So, I mean we kind of mentioned earlier how Maybe they're going to kind of focus on innovating their games, right? Yeah Well, what if and you also just throw out the idea of zelda coming out 2025 which is If we're talking about the next 3d zelda isn't same. Well, zack zack zack through that I was talking down more. I was talking like a yeah. Yeah, I topped out from like rezzo or something Yeah, that's conceivable But but hear me out here for a second. What if one of the big innovations was switched to Isn't something that we see At face value as a consumer, but it's something it's more of an innovation for developers Where it's just so much more efficient to use. It's just so much more powerful That a lot of the challenges that developers had for switch They won't have on switch to maybe one of the reasons breath a lot into the game took so long Because they needed to get the game to work with all the crazy physics at hand What is switch to has the kind of hardware and deviance in place and whatever other tools are needed So they can make another game like tears of the kingdom with a brand new world and art style In less than six years. Maybe don't want to take some three to four years. That'd be a pretty big innovation. Wouldn't it What happens the developers are so happy with the hardware that they start to just choose to make more exclusives for the system Because they see how well like a monster hunter did when it was exclusive and they're like, you know what This has enough power. We can realize our vision there. Why don't we drop an exclusive from software game on here? Just see what happens. It would be time to exclusive if it doesn't sell well Dude, dude, dude, actually actually from software starfox Oh, don't oh, come on Don't look at it with with with armored for you know, I'm of course If they can do that if they can do that they can totally make a star. Oh, they're totally good Anyways, we go round and round on this because there's a lot of hopes and dreams around the system that we We basically just know exists and that's about it And we're really happy dev units are out there, of course, and I'm sure we'll get some more You know leaks or whatever it is by by the end of the year But I don't know what I mean we asked this question. I feel like every three weeks What are they unveiling this damn thing because At some point I'm just kind of tired of talking about leaks. I would like to just be like, can we to Zach's point of Keeping the cards close to the chest Um, and it will two months before release I'm not even yeah, I Shit, you know, it probably won't happen. It'll happen. This is like a season before so I swear if the shadow drop it That means today is the time To drop so much. I think it's got to be the dream direct for an october launch That's yeah, or Or november launch. That's a really short time too. I got a prediction for you guys And not I'm prepared for this to be wrong, but I'm just throwing out the idea There will not be a february in entailment direct There'll just be a mini I don't even know if it'll be in february. I can see that if they're gonna If the switch shit happens. Yeah, you hear this is gonna happen There'll be a deadlock We're gonna launch it in summer So there won't be a february direct because they announced in february a date to unveil their next system in march Just like they pre-announced the switch. They still gotta have a direct for metroid prime 4 in february I mean do they they didn't for bayonetta 3. They just said here you go. Well Well, bayonetta 3 sells them all the same as metroid. I'm just getting actually metroid sells a little better than bayonetta I mean if there's a if there's a switch to launch or not launch reveal event They could reveal prime 4. Why don't they're just revealing prime 4 next month? They might Just do social media trailer drops and all that all of it will release They might yeah, take care of it right there. Maybe it's a march game next year. We ever think that, huh? What it might be That prime 4 maybe the driver's gotta be closer to the coming. It's happening No, we all need a march game next year. It's gonna be a luigi's mansion because it's a safe bad I don't know. I'm making a bet right now. We're we're getting metroid prime prime revealed next month at your prime 4 And it's releasing in first half of next year putting it down Locking it in. I don't know what the bet is. What happens if I if I lose shave your head You have to eat a ghost pepper or a carolina It's like the pepper idea more than shaving my head I'm seeing where I say shave your head. That means you're a whole head. I know it means me go bald Which means you would never know Beard zoom. I mean the beard. Oh the beard is okay. I'll take that off the eyebrows Lashes All of it. Look, I just had this debate with somebody who asked me how much it would cost for me to ever do that Like if someone donated and I was like, I don't know five grand and like dude. I'll give you a grand. I'm like, no No, so like a little bet like this ain't worth me shaving it all off. Holy crud I'm saying pepper you have the pepper right there when you're live reacting to the direct if it doesn't happen immediately after the direct Okay, you eat the pepper right then. Oh my god I remember when I was wrong about um You know what I like that idea because that that is not like oh i'm punishing myself in the future No, it's happening live Right metric because because the bet is not only the metro prime four is there that it releases first So if it's there, I'm safe for the moment So you're gonna be like crying and doing how amazing it looks, but they're gonna be like holiday 2024 Yeah Nope, I got to eat it because I said first half Okay, but if they just announced it without it and then just say 2024. I'm okay. I'm safe for now Let's see what happens at the next direct. Does he eat the pepper After they reveal it or after the direct is over Well, look if it's not revealed at all, I already lost Even if it releases first half I already lost because the bet would be that it it was revealed X month and releases for staff Too prong Oh, I don't even know what if they just say 2024 could still release Yeah, no, I'm fine then I if it says 2024 I get I am out of jail for the moment It's still a pending bet that we don't have the way to pay out until next year I'm live enough that it'll happen. You know what I'll we'll do it You know what if it happens outside of a direct Like I said they announced the date, right I will literally do it during a podcast episode. Well, how's that come back on? You guys will be happy because I won't get to talk at all I It'll be the the quickest milk chugging contest of all time over here. Anyways Um, and then I'll just pop one and be like what? Oh, yeah, you know what? Yeah, he would do he'll just do it. I like Let's let's field it though. Let's field it like how we feel about a prime four reveal next month. Nope Nope reveal. That's why I'm making the bet unveil. I could I they're gonna end the direct I could see it being teased. I wouldn't say a reveal, but I could see it I wouldn't say a full trailer. I'll say teased Notice how my thumb is diagonal That's that's that's my diagonal. That's where I'm at. I'm dying like I could see a teaser I could not see a full I'm gonna freak out. I'm gonna freak out because part of me think it's gonna be a cross-gen release coming out a month or two after The 3d mario Swanson that I think that that september direct is all maria with a few like Beets here nintin reveals like a donkey kong reveal and another fire reveal So you oh, I think it's interesting that you so it almost sounds like you're implying like donkey kong would be a lesser reveal than prime Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean based off how long until it's been supposedly developing and stuff like this has to be yeah A god tier game and I think dk needs to get out there because they got that theme park opening and They've been really but dk is always so better. What are we? But in terms of reveal in terms of reveal nobody's betting ghost peppers for dk people will bet ghost peppers from metroid Yeah, I'll buy ghost peppers for dk. I don't think it's happening Yeah, so what do we do we do we just double this up now? It's a double I do think I do think it's either metroid or donkey appears. I'm screwed and have to do it even if metroid's there No, you'll have to shave donkey kong's head No, we'll stick with just the metroid for now. I don't know if I can throw another way for me to lose Does anybody think we get anything tears of the kingdom next one? Or anything Zelda in general well, yes, I do actually I think so So this is my perspective One or the other. I mean well if the juf grab rumors something Zelda is happening I'm pretty sure that whoever told him that is not so dumb to think that or cool of ages and seasons counts That was previously announced. Yeah, right. So I think there's that And or tears of the kingdom dlc. So my perspective on the tears of the kingdom dlc is that They'd want to have it come out closer to release a switch to So if it's going to have a longer sort of like Kind of lifespan kind of like how we've seen with pokemon and splatoon Um, I can see if even if they announce in the september direct We don't have to see that final Expansion until late next year Right like like like the big adventure that they normally do like that could come out second half of next year Which could fall into the launch window for switch two, but they could still announce the plans Maybe have like a nice little free update or something And then wave one's like a first half of the year kind of thing Especially like if it is, you know, I think a lot of us are assuming the switch two is coming out second half of 2024, right Nintendo's going to want to start thinking of ways to kind of Transition us over and I'm kind of thinking how they're going to transition us over is tears of the kingdom dlc Swatoon 3 dlc pokemon dlc, which that all seems to be kind of lining up And a whole bunch of remasters and one or two new games Maybe one is the peach game and maybe the other is um donkey kong or maybe metroid But I'm kind of thinking maybe donkey kong like that's kind of what I'm thinking so I I think and another another little thing to consider is that If Nintendo watches the kingdom went to win like game of the year, I think it's a good It's good to announce dlc now to kind of reignite that hyphen excitement keep it going into the holidays And we also hate my opinion on this there will be no dlc ever Four tears of the kingdom I don't entirely and then they went straight to develop Well, I mean in fairness to your point breath while dlc was announced before release, right? So yeah, you know but I also I just think that When they released it They already knew when the next system's coming and I think they don't want to wait till like three four years into that system I think they just went straight into development the next game Plus this is not for akawa mention already. Yeah, I already have ideas for the next one. So let me just get going Yeah, maybe They go I mean we're at the end of a system. So maybe I mean this is still a maybe Like this thing is 2025. I think I'm just done talking to my rumors It's just time to be done. There's no way Getting burned with pro and then get burned with 2024. Like I just Oh, man. Yeah, if that happened Oh, man. Yeah, that'd be a lot of fall out on that one. I don't know how they I mean, look if that happened then they better be announcing Some sort of a lighter for the end of a system. I've never seen in my life Like oh, it's pretty well. You thought that was a launch game. No, no, no that that's on this system That's our swan song That's our swan song There it is holiday 3d mario next year for switch, baby And then a one-year drought 2025 is the driest year ever and then 2026 blows our minds. No, let's stop No, we're not ending this like we We're not any and this will be you color splash, baby. Like no, we're Come on Nintendo you'd be smarter than that. You have momentum. Keep it going Keep it going you go one more holiday here because it's still selling pretty well You're still selling, you know, probably close to 15 million you predicted Now let's let's let's get it out before we're gonna drop a little bit That's why I like my idea that the first half of 2024 is going to be that Lowell, which is going to be dlc remasters and one or two new games, which would still be pretty solid Metro Prime, baby D does anyone think we see more of the peach game next one? Yes 100 no no 100 we see and then they teased it so it would be like one of the bigger deal out of that This one Yeah, follow-up question. Have they ever announced anything that's not a game In a direct. Yeah, it's not like a hardware Where i'm going with this is if you wanted something zelda We know that zelda set is coming Like do you mean the lego stuff? Yeah, we at least know it's been worked on I mean officially they've announced like the mario movie cast in a direct in a September what I know Yeah That zelda set is real and it's coming. It is real. I know because I got copyright claim for the lego company over Yeah, they if it's not real they wouldn't Yeah, they wouldn't claim but that doesn't mean it's ever releasing but it does mean that it is something they've worked on Yeah They can drop that in a direct and they already do mario so it won't be surprised You're like tears of the kingdom Go buy this lego set for the deku tree I I know it's coming. They can't just announce a deku tree though. They'd have to be like And hyrule castle 7000 piece 7000 piece hyrule castle. I will build It's like you will see that shit right here behind me Whenever leases I probably like a 500 set and I'll just be here for hours and hours all day trying to build that thing It's like the creator One and you can have castle on the ground or you can elevate it Slightly up and make it the floating castle in tears. Oh Geez man. Well, I would build a whole new set cool things that'll never happen Oh my gosh. All right. Well, I think that's gonna do it for the podcast. We can keep going on and out with these crazy ideas Um, and I'm laughing so much over here. My eyes are starting to water, which is oh one more idea. Oh, here we go. Oh No I got it. You're a bad Andre It's kidding Until somebody's rob 2.0. All right, uh, so Here we go rob 2.0 I want to thank everyone for being here. You can check out the antenna 5 podcasts everywhere podcasts are heard The audio version always comes up a day after the uh video version Which is live every Wednesday at 8 p.m. Central on the antenna 5 youtube channel Uh, we'll go around the room quick and let everyone tell people where they can find you We'll start with our one and only primary twitch streamer for vlam Where could they find Well, like as uh nintendo prime said, uh, you can find me on twitch.tv slash for vlam That's where I do most of my game shows most of my verses most of my variety content We're doing a stream so there's verses tomorrow But uh, I think one that would relate to nintendo stuff that i'm doing on saturday is i'm going to do A pigment stream and every time a pigment dies. I have to put on a new article of clothing So i'm gonna look like a giant sweater bear. Oh, boy. That's gonna be bad. Oh, yeah, it's gonna be crazy I'm excited especially because i'm starting to get to closer to the end of the game Huh, what's up? Don't buy any bosses because you could lose like your entire arming. Oh, I know My 70 pairs of socks just for that fight. Yeah, I have a lot of really thin Articles of clothing. I couldn't kind of double up. Well, anyways, it's gonna be fun. It'll be good good content right content build No, but uh, if you were to follow anything of mine go follow the boost of you podcast It's my podcast that i've been curating and it's my baby. It's my child. We've started putting out gaming videos So it's there's boost of you gaming. So they're like a little 10 minute 20 minute stream summaries We do a stream of that every week. There's one on friday um Yeah, go follow that channel. It's my it's my passion project right now And I've been editing it and the editing for that's gotten a lot quicker and soon I'm going to be uploading my own stuff on my own youtube. So I'm excited Nice, that's what I do as me nick with no k Oh, that's me. Um, well, you can find me over on the nerdiest podcast. That's my podcast that I uh Have been doing for a while. We just put out an episode this week Uh, we talked movies tv shows all that fun stuff games occasionally. I actually just recorded a video Last weekend on the five games that influenced my life. So that video will be on youtube soon ish um So, yeah, you can find me over there Um, you can also check me out personally on twitter at nerdiest nick. I literally Use twitter for fun is I mean, I just it's not how it's supposed to be used But that's how I use it is I use twitter for fun. He's eating all the time. Yep Mm-hmm. Yeah, Eric, where can they find you just hear every Wednesday? I'm here. Well, most most well, well Usually used to be most Wednesday. Hopefully again, I don't know what the hell's happening Life life life. Yeah, I'm here. Zach. Where can they find you? Switch force on youtube daily, uh daily news daily content You can also find me in the credits of Immortals of Avium if you want to play that Yes, fun game that was literally gonna screenshot when I beat it just like it was it's a it's a cool It's been a cool experience. I'm excited to continue on with uh with the studios But yeah, switch force as as always people always ask me what's gonna happen when the switch 2 comes out It's it'll still be well. It'll be perfect. Yeah, which force is perfect. Yeah We're gonna do throw a switch tuber force. I go. Yeah Switch force right also this total is like there are nintendo contributors that are just based up an old system Yeah, like for sure. Yeah, totally You'd be like dreamcast guy just there and that never took off, but Never talk. Talk everything else Andres, where can they find you? Uh, andres restart. I also do daily nintendo content even when I'm on vacation So Yeah, when I go on the cruise the next year, it will be still daily content. Well, I'm yeah, uh, I think Sipping my ties I've been trying to figure out how I'm gonna do it because what's funny is I've actually been doing a good job lately of Having my content scheduled ahead of time, which I haven't been good with and now I've been like, oh, all right two o'clock Eastern like that's been like my time And I'm like, yeah, this is great But the only reason I think I've been on the ball with this is because I actually am procrastinating because I need to be making extra Content for when I'm gone. So I'm always funny how that happens Yeah, I'm preparing and now I'm more consistent and I'm more ahead and then it's because I'm actually worried about what I'm not Going to be here. Exactly. Right. So when I come back That'll be the real test. Am I actually going to be as consistent as I am? I'll tell you now coming back off of vacation It's hard sometimes to get right back into that consistency because you're like, dude, I was just chilling I was just relaxing. Well, you know, I love what you do though Max and I love what I do But I will admit it was when I came back off the last vacation I took uh last year It was a little hard getting back into the flow Because the flow of my daily life it was I get to sleep in I get to relax. I get to go stick my feet in the ocean I get to say hi to the dolphins It was it was it was just nice Relax, I get I want to eat they bring the food to me like To go from being pampered back to kid screaming and I got to get a video out It was it was a Holy crud You know what sometimes getting a taste of what rich people just get to have always Isn't always good. I don't think a little hard on my mentality to go back to the life that doesn't involve that But I do love what I do, which is why I was still making content even when I was gone last time so But it was just hard to get back into the regular flow of the daily life and be at home and deal with all that while trying to get content out But I love what I do. This is this is just a lot of fun And I I'm fortunate enough that I'm one of the few they get to do it for a living So it's it's it's pretty sweet pretty sweet gig be in your own boss Set in your own hours And gushin about nintendo Does it get better? Does it get better? I don't even I don't even know if it gets better Maybe if you're an athlete or something. I don't know and you just got a guaranteed 300 million dollar contract You know what you say that though I mean, how much did XCC get paid? Yeah All right, we'll leave that one alone. Thank you guys so much for tuning in we'll catch you next week Bye I really need to work on getting an outro