 Hallo zusammen. Wir sind hier im Workshop von Digital Purage. Digitaler Klassenraum, so geht Freie Software für Schulen. Wir starten ein bisschen mit Verspätung, weil wir nämlich heute ganz tolle Referenz... Okay, hello and welcome. We'll be starting a bit late because we have wonderful presenters here who just needed to get themselves set up and I'll just tell you briefly what we are talking about the next three hours. Lena Simon and I, myself, we will introduce the work of Digital Courage so that you know where you are and what we are doing about digital education and we'll hear a short presentation by Professor Langhaus about Big Blue Button and then we talk about Moodle with Stefan Lebke and then we will show you next cloud from Baden-Württemberg and at 13.15, roughly Sylvia Lange will present Jupiter and then it's about Freifunk for Schools, Frank Schiebel and just shortly before two, if everything goes to plan then Oliver Albrecht will show you a short software project that was created during the Federal Hackathon and then there are a few words about Julian Donne, about the administration, school administration and if there were some teachers here, maybe you were at the regular meeting of teachers and Julian who has organized that meeting is also here today and is going to say a few words later on and I will now here, hello, I'm so glad that this presentation can take place here, Jesse and I did work together, Jesse and I worked together about education in the previous months and we are working at Digital Courage in Bielefeld and the question is who is Digital Courage and I have this slide here. Digital Courage is a club that society that for more than 30 years now is working in this about these topics about internet things and communications and so on and we really are part of these pioneers that people are talking about and we have a different approach here, it doesn't have to be, not everything has to be digital and we really like digital stuff and we enjoy technology but the world is a completely technologicalized, digitalized world, it will still be worth living and so we can live in a good digital world and building frameworks is very important to us and oh, this dream is not working for me so there are big differences in digitalization and so it is the same thing with our education campaign that we had to ask ourselves the question how is the framework going to have to be for digital education so that it so we get a good result in the end in the heads of the children in the minds of the children. Digital Courage is an NGO, a non-profit NGO and completely funded by donations which makes us independent and that is very important that we are independent because we have to distance ourselves from these demonstrations that really say, talk about freedom and liberty and that means something entirely different than we do and freedom is very important for us because we have these demonstrations freedom instead of fear because we don't like surveillance but we have distanced ourselves from these so-called freedom demonstrations and sometimes we may lose one supporter or another but this independence and our attitude and we can afford that just because we don't we are not just supported by one big benefactor but we really get lots of get funds from lots of small donators and and so we can risk to lose auto anger one one or two people and on the other hand we have lots of people that really support have supported us for years and read our newsletter and we really want to give information to them and we have small clubs in subsidiaries in small several cities and we have free and also paid employees and work together for this world worth living in in a digital age we are have our headquarters in Bielefeld but we have some subsidiaries in other cities all over the country i am in berlin at the moment and so that's we have several topics and sometimes we do that try to do that with humor and with charm and we really want to criticize the digitalization but also with fun and we are not against technology we're not lardites and so and yeah the education working group is important right we are we have been working with digital education and not just now since everything is about remote teaching okay do reasonable concepts which are appealing to people and we notice that um the leading of the school um there on their own they don't know what to do but they have to decide things those are the teachers who are in the classroom with a bunch of children and they don't know what to use and how to use it and those are the parents um who um i know it when they see what software has been used in in the classroom and the students and but also the politicians we have watched this for a while and we saw a lot of things go wrong and they're wrong assumptions um the digitalization in schools is very behind and internationally compared internationally um it's about quantity not not about quantity but quality we want to we want to have it sustainable and complete with open concepts with free material um we want them to learn um um to deal with all products not only um click colorful icons and not only um deal with microsoft software with but also with free software and this should be sustainable werden im Sinne von um es soll sich festsetzen es soll ein basis und yeah we want to teach the values um so that people get in touch via education with those um possibilities so they can deal with that and independently from what politicians are um yeah same um the government of schools and they don't know what to do and they have to do something now but they don't get the support and and they what they need that's why we decided um we take all the knowledge we collected in the past and we created a digital tag courage um education packet for the audience i just um mentioned we um developed ideas how we imagine um digital education and so we came up with um 10 rules how school can be um developed and those um items um are about educational material and about software um which software should be used and this workshop um which has been created so we took the part um which is about free software and one to show you here what the possibilities are and the educational package can be ordered from from us and can be delivered to the schools and just yeah yeah just order this and start with your school yeah bring this information to your um yeah let your local politicians know as well wenn jeder klein anfängt dann yeah if there's something big um coming out of it then we can yeah deliver a lot of information to a lot of schools which i'm lacking right now so we are at the congress right now that we have stickers of course we would have liked to put it into a collected box but we could that's not possible but you can order those stickers in our digital courage shop and here you see some examples those are the topics we um really like doing the link you see in the stickers um that's how you can find the stickers and you find your way to the shop too genau yeah how you can see um and there's examples we try to um address a big audience and so i'm interested in the digital education of children that something parents should be interested in and we would be we would be interested in the parents would say that um that um since they're interested in their children's education they don't want um that their private data is stored in yeah um i would so they see the problems and they want to do something about it we won't have school it being free and that's why we do this workshop here so to raise um understanding that there are so many possibilities um to use free software but a lot of people don't know those and this is um a problem right now and another big problem is that the schools um they just put one give one person a responsibility and they deal with the whole administration of schools the school and sometimes it's better sometimes it's worse and that's why it was about that computers have to be um supported as well and if you have a yeah institution like a school and hat which has a lot of computers for the classrooms and smartphones too and then you need a professional person doing this and um das war zum beispiel auch eine und that's something we want to um yeah raise awareness so we wanted um disability resources in a better way so the people who are doing administration and but also social workers at schools should be supported so we don't want the social workers um being responsible for media education but and also it's lacking education and fall in this area to yeah educate the social workers and educators so we have a lot of people um so they are not not those positions at schools to um yeah deal with that so there things to do about changing their structures und ich möchte gar nicht um i don't want to say much more um maybe something something yeah how you can join us if you want to um spread the idea about the package then then order the package in our shop and yeah deliver it at your school or give it to your local politicians um um you can also fund us um our club and digital courage um get it sponsored it's fun and we also deliver um packages to organizations and institutions um so the third way to support us or the idea is to distribute the package via mail and we have a basic version of the education package as a as a free pdf there are no books and flyers and there of course but lots of information and of course hints where you can order the brochures and the flyers and if you're using social networks of course you can you can use the hashtags digital a bildung and bildungspaket and spread the word yes i would add to that because i had a workshop yesterday at the hexen where it was about it security and domestic violence and it was a question about wasn't prevention a lot better and education wouldn't that be a lot better than than council the people who had bad things happen to them afterwards and of course i could agree but it doesn't work like that because people of course they only come to us um and i'm a counselor in that area and the people only come to us when they when they are affected and of course it has become very clear how important it is that finally in the end i'm waiting for for that since i was at school that this this topic is is becomes important at schools for for 20 years now or so but as a society we have made a big mistake i want to say as a society because we we from computers we think about in the way that if you click here then something like this happens and you never thought on the on the level of how should it be created and what are the consequences and how should i think about this as an example um if you have if you are lucky to lucky enough to learn how to work with an office program then people tell you this is much of word and so you create a file like this and here's a text and and to make boldface and italics and this is how you print but say learning that there are other programs other than microsoft word word and there are other formats besides docx and what are the consequences if i send the docx to someone else and why does it look strange because they don't look want to use microsoft products and why could it be useful to use something else and i don't really have to talk about that too much but these questions are never never talked about since the 1990s and i was i was in such courses as a youth and it has never been been talked about and we the whole generation could use to not not asking these questions and that just makes it more difficult to educate people and to to think about prevention if it's about digital violence and this can't go on like this it's it's important that something changes here and this is the deep motivation from which we came when we when we said we need something we can give to people so they don't all go into the ipad classes oh great great we buy lots of ipads and that they don't walk into the trap and so that they understand what they do to our children in our society okay that's what i wanted to say my core topic is digital self-determination and how do we have to um to approach these topics so that we can decide for ourselves how we how we how we do digitalization that's what jessica meant when she talked about sustainability using devices um that you can work that you can update for longer than two years um so that sustainability also means that if we don't have talk about a single program a single application but also tell people that and how how to approach software and a computer and how to ask questions about it and how to assess it critically and see i want to use this feature but i don't want to use this other feature because that's information that that goes beyond explaining just how to use a certain program and then maybe slowly we should uh go to the next to the next speaker okay the next speaker is ralf lanker from the university of offenburg and he will talk about big blue button okay i will share my window the microphone yes you should hear and see it now everything's fine yes this is not a university it's a it's a hochschule which doesn't really make a big difference i am graphic designer and and a pedagogue and i create digital content since the 90s and make i've been doing web design since the 90s but i also teach uh i've been teaching since 1985 with a classical analog but also digital technology and this is the background behind what i will want to show you now about big blue button this is not the technology itself but the view from me as an as an educator who has been working for digital with digital technologies for 30 years and 20 years as a remote teacher and now in the second corona semester completely online and um there have been some things and i tell you what our college is offering in the campus it the first is a url that that i should use so offenburg hs offenburg dot zoom dot us and that's the the code then after that and i think it's clear that from campus it it's clear that you can't really work with this because according to the cloud act all the data belongs to the and can be accessed by us us administration and us agencies und um all the us cloud act and then all the data have to be given to the federal and state administration and have to give them to the to the intelligence agencies as well and this is the situation we have at our colleges and universities we have to work with software which does not conform to the to the data data protection regulations and i'm one of the few colleagues here in offenburg experimenting with different video tools jitzi and big blue button and the focus today is on big blue button because this tool is um for teachers and educators at schools and universities and colleges has a few features that are especially important for for creating education and and teaching material it is a audio video chat videoconferencing tool it has a whiteboard feature and you can't just show presentations but you can write directly and or you can just do a work on the same board interactively with your students and of course you can upload presentations and documents you can make easy questionnaires in between and and that's what we all see in these videoconferences which have become necessary right now that the presentation is is being shown but we don't have a real um opponent to to uh sparen spartner to talk to and after some time the attention is reduced and those are the things um which are interesting for the classroom and that's that's why we also have group rooms and in this presentation i want to focus on those things from educational perspective we focus on those rooms and that makes our work more easy seeing the circumstances right now big blue button um doesn't have a lot of hurdles with every current um browser you can run it um it's running completely and pretty well in all the actual browsers current browsers and and also from mac users on safari um you can get the audio and the mics are working and it is sufficient for the um users and yeah the person giving the talk needs a micro phone um the presenter should have a camera um that is not necessary for everybody joining the meeting entscheidende punkt ist aber das was ich ja das ist wie es sieht aus wie du siehst um wenn du eine room da sind drei studierende aus Karlsruhe und Darmstadt zusammen mit dem kahrskomputer kommt der rande der kahrskomputerclub in Darmstadt und ich habe sie kontaktiert und sie haben für mich ein geredet und was du siehst hier ist um die studium um wo ich meine event auf die andere ist die ist team und es ist ein konfiguriert ein bisschen anders und es ist für meine um um die hier und die third one ist für um certain meetings um die um die um die um die um und das erlaubt mir um Und die Ruhm-Settings, lass mich das tun. Ich kann die Names, die Access-Code ändern. Und wenn du mit administrativen Offices, das ist wichtig, kann jemanden die Slices nicht sehen. Die Folien, die sind etwas verschwommen, aber die sind da. So, ich kann die Qualität erhöhen. Das wichtigste Punkt hier ist, dann kriegt ihr vielleicht ein etwas besseres Video. Vielleicht klappt es. Ich kann Ruhm-Settings und Ruhm-Settings einrichten. Ich kann die Ruhm-Settings geben, aber mit der Team-Ruhm kann ich Ruhm-Settings geben, wo ich nicht dort bin. In der Ruhm-Settings-Ruhm kann ich starten, und nur dann kann die Ruhm-Settings beinhalten. In der Ruhm-Settings-Ruhm kann ich die Ruhm-Settings einrichten. In der Ruhm-Settings-Ruhm kann ich die Ruhm-Settings geben, wo ich nicht dort bin. Das ist warum das Ruhm-Settings für mich interessant ist. Ich kann die Ruhm-Settings geben, die die Leute in der Ruhm-Settings geben. Für die Studenten, müssen nur die Ruhm-Settings und die Ruhm-Settings ein Mitschauen auf das Mikrofon. Sie müssen auch ECHO testen mit der Technologie, die Kamera und das Mikrofon, und man sieht auch die Reise-Shows. In der Ruhm-Settings-Ruhm kann ich also eine Frau in die Ruhm-Settings geben, Ich kann hier Texten, und ich kann die Präsentationen aufnehmen, und ich kann die Präsentationen aufnehmen. Und diese sind die Optionen, die wirklich interessant sind. Auch in die Interaktion zu gehen, um Interaktion zu machen und Fragen zu stellen. Man weiß, dass man von der regulären Klasse, die man hier simulär machen kann. Aber mit der Restriktion, dass es besser mit kleineren und größeren Gruppen funktioniert. Das ist die Lending-Page. In der URL, siehst du, wo ich die Screenshot von. Es war ein Gespräch über Moodle. Das zweite Interessante ist die Integration mit Moodle. Man kann diese Tools sehr gut connectieren. Ich fahre nicht auf die Details, sondern ich fahre auf einen weiteren Teil. Man kann das sehen, wenn man die URL öffnet. Aber das zweite Interessante ist die Breakout-Rooms. Nachdem ich ein Topik und Instruktionen gegeben habe, kann ich eine Single-Room generieren. Das sind die Breakout-Rooms. Ich kann die Räume des Räums und die Duration des Räums aufsetzen. Es gibt eine und zwei Räume. Dann haben wir die Option, die Teilnehmer zuzuweisen. Dann können wir die Räume aufsetzen. Dann können wir die Räume aufsetzen. Hier sieht man, dass Big Blue Button sehr authoristisch ist. Aber das ist okay in dieser Situation. Denn wenn man jetzt die ersten Semester hat und die anderen nicht wissen, dann putze ich die Räume in die Räume. Die Räume sind in unterschiedlichen Räumen. In anderen Räumen lasse ich die Räume selbst organisieren. Ich habe verschiedene Variationen. Ich habe die Räume von den Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Das macht viel Sinn. Ich benutze die Video-Tools. Das sind Events mit der Schule. Ich benutze Gizzi. Das geht sehr gut. Big Blue Button ist ein Tool, das von der Räume aufsetzt. Es ist eine Struktur. Es ist eine Durchgestaltung von meiner Seite. Es ist ein Kurs. Ich gebe es zu einer anderen. Das kann man in der Grafik-Werte normalerweise machen. Es gibt also Team-Meetings in kleinen Gruppen. Das möchte ich in die Diskussion stellen. Es muss klar sein, dass die Video-Tools, die wir nutzen, nicht die realen, off-line Teaching beendet werden. Wir sind glücklich, dass wir mit den Virtual-Räumen den Kontakt mit den Studenten halten können. Das hilft in der Zeit der Pandemie, aber in den Klassenverband. Wir können nur die Video-Tools beendet werden. Die Video-Tools müssen aufgrund der Kapazität beendet werden. Die Studenten müssen auf die Mikrofone beendet werden. Nur die Person kann sie auf die Mikrofone beendet werden. Die Bildung wird in kleineren Städten beendet werden. Das ist eher etwas, was ich mir hinterhalte. Es funktioniert sehr gut. Was ich nach diesen zwei Semestern, oder was ich auch in den Studien schon belegen lasse, ist, dass wir viel mehr, wenn wir diese neuen Tools benutzen, dass wir kleine Gruppen mehr benutzen müssen, und dass die Studenten viel mehr beendet werden. Das ist viel Arbeit für uns alle. Die Lehrer gucken wir mal über das. Lehrer, bitte nicht. Schauen wir mal, dass es zu nahe ist. Es ist wichtig, dass wir in Kontakt mit den Studenten und den Lehrer beendet werden. Es ist wichtig, aber wir müssen wissen, dass es nicht ein Replacement für real-life-Meetungen ist. Das ist von mir so viel. Das ist ein kleiner Hinblick für die Interessante. Es gibt technologische Konzepte, die wir auf der Szene haben. Das ist jetzt für den deutschen Staat aber auch ein Referenz für Google, Big Blue Button und andere open-source Programme. Das ist für mich das. Wir haben ein paar Minuten für Fragen, und sind fast wieder auf der Zeit. Super. Vielen Dank für das Gespräch. Es ist ein Pad für Fragen. Wenn Sie eine Frage haben, benutze den Pad. Ich werde jetzt mit Ihnen reden, und sehen, ob wir Antworten haben können. Sonst haben wir keine weiteren Fragen. Wir müssen offen sagen, wie man an diese Fragen geht. Ich denke, das war vor dem Event, aber nicht in der Live-Version. Kann der Herr Herald oder der Angel vielleicht helfen? Ein bisschen wieder freier. Freie up the screen again. Der Angel appears to be missing. Auf dieses Fragenplatt steht gleich ganz zu Anfang in Chat von unserer Konferenz. Ja, aber die Leute, die hier zugeschaltet sind, die können... Ja, so some internal discussion. Übrigens können Sie den hören. Is it chat in the Big Blue Button? Aber wenn Sie hier ein bisschen blippen, ist das Chat. Also, ja, die Leute in der Stream sollten auch informiert werden, um Fragen zu stellen. In Jitzy und Big Blue Button ist es ein sehr nice Feature. Es ist ein Chat, und das ist eine tolle Sache. Ja, also bitte, Sie sollten wieder Informationen geben. Vielleicht in der nächsten Runde. Dann machen wir erst mal weiter. Und wenn der Angel sich angefunden hat, dann kann er da vielleicht ja einmal in der nächsten Power eine Info geben. So, whoever wants to ask a question, can click on chat below the video industry page. And there is the first link, where you can enter an ISC chat. And there the questions will be collected. Or you can send them via Twitter or Macedon. And there we will hopefully see them. Thank you very much. Super, danke schön. Okay, so, let's go on to Moodle. A lot of teachers probably know it already. And Stefan will talk about it some more. Are you ready? Ja, ich bin bereit, ich schalte. Yes, I am ready. Let me just share my screen. It should be shared now. And yeah, seems to work. Ich sehe von euch aber nur den... Ja, gut. Very welcome from my side. And I am working as a teacher and teaching teachers in the state of Baden-Württemberg for a few years also using Moodle. And I am one of the first ones using it since it started in Baden-Württemberg basically. And we have an institution with Bellevue that helps schools in Baden-Württemberg. And they host it for the schools basically. And during Corona, during the crisis they provided a Moodle for every single school. Some schools had it for years now. And due to that, well, we have a slight advantage. And that's the reason why I am here today to just give a short overview and to show what I want to talk... Let's just show what I want to talk about. So the basics, the history, technology and the possibilities of Moodle, and after that I want to do a live demo to show Moodle from the admin side, what structures are there, what kind of uses are there and different roles and possibilities from the perspective of a trainer and from the user. So Moodle, the name was does it actually mean? Many people might not know. It's modular, object-oriented, dynamic learning environment, so it's an acronym. And in these words there is basically everything contained, what Moodle is able to do. So it's modular, it's object-oriented, it's dynamic so you can always adjust it and it's a learning environment. Where does it come from? Well, it was developed in 1999 by Martin Dugyamas in Australia. It was originally made for children in the art back so they could participate at scoots. And it's based on PHP and the database, MySQL, Postgres and so on. And it was originally thought of as a platform used by or accessed by a browser but of course with mobile apps becoming more and more popular that was included as well. So what options do we have? Small overview. The most important thing is probably the virtual classroom where you can give homework, provide materials, share results, discuss in forums and even have small tests. I want to come back to these options later on. Of course it's possible to plan projects and also do projects so you can really do that stuff in Moodle but it's also possible to work together with your colleagues so organize the school using that. So that brings us to the next point that you can plan your Type Tables and project your Type Tables onto the system. Whatever that entails and you can also use it as an Archive und natürlich zur Kommunikation und für Kommunikation und so da ist still a lot of discussion about this but we will come back to that. So, that's it for the overview and now I want to go to the live demonstration in my browser. I have it open in three different browsers und ja, I'm going to start with that now in the role of an administrator. I'm already logged in you can see that in the upper right corner and up here every user has their profile in their settings and they usually you are always entered in the settings page or dashboard so the admin has basically access to everything in Moodle, all courses and all parts of the Moodle but they also have certain tasks and these we can see here on the left in the website administration the so called website administration and once we access that we can see further options, further tabs and here the second one is one of the main tasks user management and here the users are separated well, it's separated into user profiles where you can add users put them in groups and so on so everything that's connected to that of course all users have their own set of rights and privileges so basically users don't come with certain rights or privileges but you have to apply them to them dann haben wir als nächstes die Kossverwaltung Kosse und Kostbereiche zu verwalten und ich flicke jetzt hier mal kurz rein wir schauen uns an wie so ein Moodle strukturiert sein kann standardmäßig kommt ein Kostbereich verschiedenes wird automatisch mitinstalliert bei der Grundinstallation und hier habe ich jetzt mal aufgezeigt wie man das in einer Schule strukturieren könnte wir haben hier den Unterricht wir haben das Collegium und Organisation das heißt das hier wären da alle Bestandteile drin wie bei denen es um Unterricht geht und ich habe es hier so aufgeteilt so hier ihr könnt sehen, dass es immer konfiguriert according to the school year in the courses so this school year would be in this area of the course so you can structure it very cleanly these courses would be here and now I am choosing the class 5a for example and you can see the course over here we will have a closer look later and the course has to be imagined like a classroom and that's how you can imagine this and here the class can meet up and you could also add certain topics all the materials for the German class for example would appear here and then of course you can also add courses here for certain groups of teachers I didn't show that here but it would also work so further task of the admin is to also change the design or what it looks like for each school you can do it individually you can upload logos for example by using so called themes so the presentation now there is the navigation block on the left or it can be on the right or something like that and the last task is also important for the administrator and that the administrator has to do to make a backup of course you can find it here under the courses under backup so you can make a complete backup of the whole site or the individual courses and of course there is also in this administration menu there is a lot more more configuration options that I am not going to present in detail because of the short time let's see how about the time I think I started at 41 so I'll have a few more minutes so much about the administration and about configuration of Moodle and now I would like to show you in a different browser the trainer role and what the trainer can do and you can see here I am signed in as Lira Lipke, the teacher Lipke and here is the class 5a the course of the class 5a and if I click on the course I am here in this window I made a little graphic here this is the course of the class 5a and there are different subjects different forms choose between different formats have the grid layout here so you have tiles here and can show the different subjects the colleagues can can put their upload there their material here and how does this work for a trainer about this cog you can enable the work enable editing and then the view changes and here we have you can see below the grid you can see the different subjects and here about activity or upload material or create material and can choose what he wants to make available to the students and here you can see what kinds of activities are there of plugins or activities and there are lots more but of course we always have to ask yourself how much do we really need and restrict the selection otherwise it will become far too much and far too complex as Ralf talked about and you can connect to big blue button servers with that at the beginning of the corona crisis we had because of the superhuman effort of some colleagues we which will be presented by another in another talk here we have big blue button servers and we can connect to the big blue button lots of big blue button servers we can connect to them from Moodle but there are a few others for example here is one for tasks if there is enough time I want to show you that in some more detail and there is something about used as a plugin and there is A5 there are interactive interactive gap texts and multiple choice tests and to complete the picture there is also very simple modules called work material and you can just put in a link just a single file or just a text field and put a comment in a small text field if you choose that you will be guided through a configuration wizard and it shows up here in the area there for the appropriate subject and so, what does it look like in reality and here I go to the English area and we see here a small example listening comprehension you can see by the symbol it is a so called task and I go into the configuration shortly and as you can see it is laid out like this there is a topic and you have a short work instruction and then integrated or attached to the work instruction is a sound file that is pre-recorded an mp3 file you can embed this here and then of course you can set the time at which time and how pupils are supposed to reply so they can submit their result and lots of other setups which would be too much for the scope of this talk and if I go back here and deactivate editing and so I am back in the standard view in the default view in the browser now and see what it looks like for the students and here we can see the link to the big blue button which is also used for many classes as a standard and here you can enter the individual subjects and you can see nicely and here for the English class and if you click on that then you get only a single activity in this case but if I click on that then I can see what the teacher has entered here and your task is to write a summary and hand it in just three quarters of a minute and write a short summary and submit it down here so far that's just a short overview of Moodle and I don't want to forget to give you some links these two links here one is the demonstration server for the education of teachers and there is a new Moodle demo server called Moodle Move and you can look at some demonstration courses like the ones I showed you and can play around with it so much as an overview from Moodle and I hope I didn't go too much over time but of course you can ask me questions now or later yes thank you Stefan, you didn't go over time of course you can ask questions and nobody knows exactly how to ask questions it is below the stream in the chat or at twitter or in the feediverse for a certain hashtag rc3 bhh wenn ich jetzt gerade richtig geschaut habe maybe can help me rc3 csh c3 csh this is a wonderful angel we try to answer this it isn't really clear how it works so there are some questions for our big blue button so I think that speakers will be available after the talks so I would suggest to move the questions at the end so we do everything in the end so we have scheduled one hour for exchange of ideas so we have some time left to answer all the questions so the quality of the slides is not as perfect but we had some conversations and tried to get the next slides more sharp so you can see more easily what happens when we click through so I would move on to Lennart and I'm really looking forward to the talk of Lennart so he's a student and speaking for the students so this is now about next cloud so from a little bit of different perspective now so ich gebe dann erstmal so I'm sharing my screen now so so, genau so I have prepared something for next cloud in schools so something to me, I'm Lennart I am in the ich bin Teil des offiziellen Beratungskremiums des Kultusministeriums und bin dort auch der Vorsitzende vom Ausfluss-Digitalisierung sonst bin ich gerade angehend das Systematismus und verwendet next cloud selbst auch schon und ich habe es seit 2016 benutzt also, weil ich nicht viel Zeit habe ich will talk a bit faster could you fast please someone tell me genau und zwar werde ich gleich erstmal die so, ich will just show the basic functions of next cloud und a few parts that prove themselves in my experience to help the students before we starting the app, maybe the basic function first you should be able to see my next cloud now this is the demo cloud I created and this is the screen you see when you first enter so you are welcomed where it explains itself what it is, how it works, where you can click through and you are getting a few nice info first and then you can enter next cloud whatever in overview so this is the new next cloud dashboard coming with version 20 or something and here I have all the information that I need so the overview I would like when I first starting it so I can see my upcoming events if I have something in my calendar I will see it here if I get mentioned or someone is writing me I will see that here in the middle and here on the left I see all the files that I have worked with last of course you can modify this and adjust it to your likings so I can change the background so it looks a bit different but I will just stick with the classic blue you can also add announcements but more on that later so this is the dashboard that every user has and then basically next cloud has been developed as a cloud storage solution so lets directly start with that so here is the next cloud that everyone knows who ever used it before so we have the files in a draftbox where I have the files next cloud manual and I have the manual where I can see what it should look like I do think the screen is frozen as a standard I have different files here as well next cloud has this nice feature that it can open office it can replace office 365 because it can work together with office and colabora so that's basically Libra office online and I can use such a server and then I can use working with students or pupils and it looks like this so I can click on it and then I can see everything online and everything is loaded into an online office version, like we know it from Microsoft office but we are actually hosting everything ourselves so this is GDPR conform yes this screen is frozen actually so that's not on your end so we are trying to reset the screen sharing dear viewers this is not on your end this is on our end ich habe jetzt jedenfalls gerade die Infos bekommen aber ich habe jetzt teilweise auch sein Bildschirm nicht sehen so so the sound is okay only the screen is frozen we are still stuck on the start screen das könnte das vielleicht damit zusammenhängen dass du nur dieses eine Bild so maybe it's not the screen gets shared but only the window so we are trying to switch to share an entire screen ja dann haben wir das Problem, dass in meiner anderen Bildschirme automatisch mitgeteilt we are trying to fix that ah das hatte ich schon ein Näh ich kann das tatsächlich nicht auswählen, jetzt zeigt mir leider so the problem with that is that it would share all screens which is not ideal wenn ich den zweiten Bildschirm einfach so maybe disabled the second screen we will try that so machen wir das so in the interim one of the main advantages of big blue button for bigger events is that you can share slides as well but in this case it wouldn't have helped the live demonstration anyway mach mal einen Dialog auf the screen appears still to be frozen keine Bewegung je noch mal auf Stashboard seht ihr jetzt sorry for the delay so ich war meinen Bildschirm dahin das kannst du gerne machen also wir sehen die ganze Zeit noch die Wolken mit dem Start das ist spannend weil jetzt sind wir gerade gar nicht zwei gegeben ja so so the screen is still frozen you are right now witnessing debugging live so, but the advantage is these slides are very very sharp so is still no change so the calendar should be open now however the screen is still frozen so in the meantime we are going to switch to a few questions of big blue button genau einmal den browser cache learn und dann sehen wir dich gleich wieder hier auf jeden Fall bis gleich so, these problems are alone with all these tools so let's go to some questions jetzt haben wir gerade die Zeit zu beantworten a question for raff can a school cheaply host big blue button ja, there are commercial hosters for big blue button that I worked with as well as an alternative to the non existent supply at our school however for per classroom it's about 50 euros a month for a school the other option would be to install a complete server at your school you would have to talk to your provider either belby in Baden-Württemberg or another provider however you would ideally create a room so a single processor for a classroom otherwise it's too weak however you can also rent at a provider so ideally it would be belby for law reasons judicial reasons so basically you would need a lawyer for some detailed questions so a school is only paying hardware up to around 20% so a small part could be used for hardware this is now a political project the question was if that could be used so is big blue button so so so so so so so so so so ideally you'd have a good provider as well and yeah, it is definitely possible to have a GDPR conform the question is if you can't see the students if the cameras turned off how do you see if they understood well, that's one of the big problems of all these softwares so you have to adjust your so, yeah, first you are giving an overview and then you are switching to breakout rooms where you will have, where you can have video feed from the students so if there was even if there was enough capacity, you couldn't check 24 screens at the same time you wouldn't be able to properly see the students anyway so that is a general problem the links I can also put into the chat here at the question the slides could be downloaded Jessica has the slides already and I can send them to people und diese Blaupause für hardware und software the blueprint for the hardware and software that is already in there the slides for the talks can also be uploaded to digitalcourage.de and be on the congress page so, hopefully the technical difficulties are solved now and Stefan can keep talking about next cloud is that correct? sorry, wrong name then he has not solved his problems yet ah, he was muted so, the general, always the same for everyone so, sharing the whole screen now so, back to the next cloud so, back from the beginning so, here we have an overview the dashboard, the beautiful dashboard we have the upcoming talks digital classroom to day 12 o'clock so, here we have the talks here I'm connected to a test user started a chat, basically chatting with myself or chatting with the entire school and there are no announcements at the moment that we will change them now then the standard function saving data in the data storage, there are all the files that was made for and as mentioned, we can work collaboratively with colabra or the other software and this is what it now looks like we enter a file a word file that is in there from the start, now we wait for a second and then we have this office online that usually has the same functionality as the standard Microsoft products so, I can just start working und wenn ich jetzt das ganze z.B. von einem mithilfe should be proofread by another student they can use the comment function add something to the document der überschrift ist etwas langweilig something like the font is kind of boring or the headline is kind of boring und dann sehen alle hier diese Kommentare die Zugriff auf diese Datei haben und everyone that has access to the file can see that comment and then there is a chat also for collaborative working so the people that are seeing this document can actually the interact contact with each other without having to use a phone or anything in the other medium then you have standard headline settings that you know from other text processing software you have layout basically more or less what you are used to but we don't have to spend too much time on that in the list of files we cannot just only work collaboratively but also have our own personal files there are shared folders that you see with that symbol and you know these other cloud software so class 1a is something I thought that I am a member of and for example you have folders for various school subjects and you can add things like a presentation on the subject of Germany, maybe on Faust literary literature subject and then prepare a presentation together with my co-students but if I want to share something not just with the whole class but with a more specific group then nextcloud has what they call circles and you can create your own circles just talk about the difference between server groups and circles nextcloud-Service can become groups but you need an administrator for that and you have group membership and you would then join standard classes but maybe I as a student would like to work with something just with my friends I am not a server admin and for that I can create a personal circle and call it Faust presentation and then I can give that circle a type I am making it a personal circle and add friends to that so starting later A I am going to add Aaron and if I would then like to actually work with that circle I can create a new folder click on share and in the choice of entities to share it with I can find my circle not just people and groups so I can quickly share in this circle this folder with a circle I just created but I can set the membership myself groups so these are the functions in nextcloud that are worth knowing and what makes nextcloud strong are the various add-ons just to talk about two small ones there is a photo add-on which will show me all the photos I have in various folders put them in a gallery I can see my videos as well and sort them by places wenn da viel das plecken I can search for tags und various things with metadata at the moment I am in an admin account so I can see everything I can see the various years in the school and look at certain activities so so the students feel like having a bit of fun and want to delete certain folders I can see who has done what so that's the activities view and perhaps one of the best features in nextcloud is nextcloud talk nextcloud talk is its own chat system that runs on webcloud uses webRTC as a technology und in that I can speak or chat with everyone so Adlina whom I have created will receive that message I have created a chat with her but I can talk to the whole of the school as an admin distributes some broadcast messages so everyone no school tomorrow so so now everyone will be informed that there is no school tomorrow and nextcloud talk has its own app which you can use on mobile platforms just like any other messenger you know them all so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so und meine Studenten werden automatisch die Informationen bekommen. Und dann gibt es das Questionnaire-Tool. Und jeder Teacher weiß es. Und die Leute manchmal benutzen Dudel-Questionnaires und Dudel. Und jetzt habe ich es für RC3 hier gemacht. Und jetzt kann ich hier für Scheduling und ich habe hier Zeit. Und vielleicht habe ich hier Zeit, wie in Dudel. Du kannst es direkt in den nächsten Cloud machen. Und du kannst die Räume zu den Schärfen geben. Und ich möchte sagen, dass ich mit Klasse 1a sharee. Und dann automatisch, es wird zu allen Studenten von Klasse 1a sendet. Sie werden den Link senden. Und Sie können hier die Zeit, wenn Sie hier Zeit haben. Sie können da open Scheduling oder Questionnaires, oder alle Fragen, ob es viele von denen ist, ob ich wissen möchte, was passiert. Wenn ich nicht nur Scheduling mache, gibt es auch die Möglichkeit, eine Form zu benutzen. Eine nächste Cloud Form. In Google Forms kann ich eine Form hier machen. Ich mache eine Kontrolle, eine Checkbox. Ich bringe etwas, z.B. Nutella und Brot. Die Studenten können, wenn sie diese Form haben, sie können das, was sie wollen, bringen. Und die Lehrer können das sehen. Und dann, wie ihr es kennt, vielleicht am letzten Tag in der Schule, vor den Holidays, dann vielleicht ein Breakfast in der Klasse. Und du kannst schnell organisieren, wer das bringt. Und natürlich auf der rechten Seite hier. Du kannst nur mit einigen Leuten shareen. Ich bin in der Name der Klasse, Klasse 1A, und ich soll das mitbekommen. Und jetzt habe ich alle die Klasse shareen. Und ich kann einen Expiry Date, morgen um 5.00 Uhr, ich möchte die Informationen haben. Und dann, dann kannst du nicht mehr repräsentieren. Und da sind zwei weitere gute Features, oder wirklich nur eine gute Feature, die ich in den linken Links putze. Das wird in der nächsten Cloud sein, wenn die Permission für die linken Links ist. Oder wenn sie einfach nur einen neuen Tab öffnen. Ich kann zum Beispiel in die RC3-Welt gehen. Oder ich habe da vielleicht einen direkten Link zu DuckDuckGo. DuckDuckGo, das ist nicht allowing-Betting, aber ich habe es in den Link geblieben. Also, das ist einfach ein Beispiel. Das sieht so aus. Also, du kannst einfach einen... was auch möglich ist, wenn die Schule nicht die nächsten Cloud mitgebracht wird. Und du kannst die Elemente, die Elemente verbinden. Und hier ist die Startpage der Elemente. Oder die Matrix, wie wir es wissen, und die Insignation, wie bei deinem Schul-Server, und das Chat so. Es gibt auch eine Möglichkeit, einen Big Blue Button zu machen. Also, direkt von der nächsten Cloud, du kannst Big Blue Button-Routen, und eine Moodle-Integration ist auch möglich. Aber ich habe es nicht mit einem Test-Server zu demonstrieren. Aber ich denke, mein Zeit ist auf. Ich habe nicht die Uhr gesehen, als ich die neue Zeit begann. Aber ich bin meist mit meinem Content durchgeführt. Ja, danke sehr. Der Zeit war jetzt nicht wirklich das Problem. Aber die technischen Herausforderungen, wie Lena gesagt hat, haben uns wirklich geholfen. Wir wissen, dass wir Chromium benutzen sollten. Und wir sollten vielleicht die nächsten Cloud inzwischen verlassen, wenn es so funktioniert. Ja, alright. Und es geht weiter. Wir haben wirklich einen sportlichen Zeitraum. Wir haben heute ein Zeitraum-Table. Jetzt geht es um Jupiter. Hallo. Ich erzähle etwas, das meistens für Computer-Signs-Teachings ist. Also, mit Jupiter-Signs-Teachings kannst du Computer-Signs-Teachings in der Bruse haben. Ja, bist du. Also, über mich, ich bin ein Lehrer für Computer-Signs in den letzten Jahren in einer Hochschule. Und ich bin glücklich, dass ich an einem Open-Source-School arbeite. Also, wir haben Liberal-Office, Ubuntu und alles mit Mobsource. Genau. Die Motivation von Jupiter. Also, wir hatten remote die Schule, weil es Covid war. Und besonders für Computer-Signs war es eine schwierige Situation, weil die Studenten nicht die Schule haben, sondern die Hardware. Aber ihre eigene Hardware mit den verschiedenen OSs. Und ich versuchte, die SQL-Teachings zu lernen. Aber die Studenten oder die Leute feierten an den Wordbench. Also, nach einem Zeitpunkt habe ich Jupiter-Signs-Teachings gefunden. Also, ich habe heute das Video gezeigt. Und es hat die Möglichkeit zu arbeiten in einem Browser. Und sie müssen nichts installieren. Also, für die, die nicht wollen, ihre own Server zu setzen, da ist ein Shortcut hier. Julian, der wir später sprechen werden, er hat etwas hier, ein Service, wo man das lernen kann. Und jemand, der auch andere Tasche hat, also für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, für die, Wenn ich in ein Modul so etwas lasse, kann ich es auch für SQL-Kommand benutzen. Ich muss diese %-Sign benutzen. Aber dann kann ich mit dem Kontrollentum einen solchen Kommand ausführen und dann die Result von der Database bekommen. Als Lehrer kann ich diese Papers, diese Taschen, mit Markdown anbieten. Und man hat sie einfach mit der Studie begonnen. Und sie liebte es wirklich. Sie hatten die Tasche und die Solution all in one. Und sie mussten nicht immer die Wendel switchen. Die Studie liebte es wirklich. Und das war mein Exemplar für SQL. Und als Standard, wir reden in Python hier. Also ich könnte hier etwas kalkalieren. Und mit Kontrollentum kann ich einen Kommand ausführen. Und ja, ich kann hier Python-Code führen. Was auch wirklich schön ist, ist, dass man noch ein zusätzlicher Installieren kann, installiert ein Plug-in, den NBGrader. Und da kann man Kursen erstellen. Also ich kann jetzt, also ich kann hier, da wird ein neues Tup enthalten. Das könnte zu Beginn confusing sein. Also ich kann hier, aber ja, ich kann, also ich kann da auch Dachseite oder Worksheets mit den NBGrader. Und da habe ich Explanations mit Fotos. Und dann schreibe ich in diese Solution-Sheet. Ich kann auch in diese Solutionen kommen. Und ich kann es markieren, bei Beginn-Solution und End-Solution. Und NBGrader, das tut mir leid, dass in der Studium Version das nicht in die Solution ist. Das werden wir nicht in der Student-Version zeigen. Wir reden über Boxen- und Errorhandling. In den Standard-Präferenzen kraschst es sehr schnell. Dann muss man die Server restarten. Das ist warum ich eine Verbindung habe. Die Server war kraschend. Ich kann die Solution aufbauen. Wenn ich sage, es sollte generieren, kreieren oder kompilieren, dann werden die Werkseite für die Studenten generiert. Ich kann sie hier sehen. Dann sehe ich die Student-Version. Hier ist der Code für die Student-Version. Es muss von der Studenten geliefert werden. Dann können sie einfach was machen, was sie wollen. Genau, ich kann das auch mal... Ich kann es auch von der Student-Version zeigen. Hier ist der Topf. Hier habe ich ein Student. Ich logge ihn als Student. So, jetzt kann ich die Assignen klicken. Ich schaue, was die Lehrer dargestellt haben. Ich kann sie als Studenten downloaden. Ich habe diese Exercise-Scheete. Ich kann sie klicken. Jetzt habe ich die Student-Version. Ich kann das auch nach der Teacher senden. Ich zeig es mir modern und wie ich es bekomme. Das ist ein Problem. Die Materialien sind in einer anderen Format. Es gibt also natürlich nur im Tank. in PDF Format und eben nicht als so ein Notebook und da habe ich hier auf und ja, ich startete auf GitHub, um Dokumente zu sammeln, also ich war transmitt oder transkribe es in die Jupiter Format, also hier ist der Link wieder zu den Materialien für den Staat von Bad Ludemberg, habe ich schon starten zu transkribe es und ja, wer das mag, der will, kann es einfach an jupiter.suvia-lange.de und ja, user01 to user15 und der Passwort ist sehr sicher, ist das Username itself, so you can just try it out. Ja, hier noch ein paar links, diese Folien übrigens. Ja, so, that's it for me. So, ja, there's a question already, so do you have experience with Java? Nope, I do not, but I'm pretty certain that it works as well. You probably just have to install a module as well. I've never tested it myself because right now I'm not teaching Java. Und noch eine präzise Kreativität ist notwendig, dass der Schüler die Lösung ohne Aufsagen durchführen bietet. I did not get a question story. So can the student hack the system? Can the student solve the problem without getting the exercises? Well, I would assume that the student would have to hack my password. And if I have a proper password, no? There is an option, but I do not want to make that one public. So, there might be loopholes. If someone's very clever, there are options. But that's in every software the problem basically. The borders are what are the limits of the software and how smart can students get and find loopholes and get information they shouldn't actually have. But as we all know, are these moments where you learn the most. So basically, I really like those questions because the creativity in this spot, well, it shouldn't be too easy. So the students really learn something. So you should learn more by finding a loophole than by doing the homework, not the other way around. So those are the questions I got so far. So, we will continue with Python, that's cool. So free networking. And because if we don't get proper internet, the distant lessons or the remote lessons will not work anyways. My sound is working, the slides are visible. Everything is great. Yeah, happy to be here. And I wrote an experience as a starting point for your thoughts. Deswegen möchte ich nur einen kleinen Einblick geben. Ja, so, first to the school and the students. I am teacher in the city of Messingen, that southern of Stuttgart. As most of you might be able to hear at the dialect. We have four classes per grade. That's around 750 students and 90 teachers. And here we can see the club. The teacher, the students from 2019. This year we did have some actions actually and some projects, but I didn't have any pictures. So 10 to 15 students from grade 8 or 9 onwards are working in this club. And we will get to what they are doing later. So, I am Frank Schiele. I am teaching math physics. I studied that, but of course I can teach other things where there is no teacher available. So, thank you just fine, basically. What is free radio basically? So, not everyone might know what it is. It's a community network. Where you are setting up wifi routers to make internet available. And it takes infrastructure from the Freifunk communities and make it available via private routers that are connected via VPN to the internet and to the network. So, if people want to use the Freifunk Gateway, you have the problem of provider liability, you don't have that anymore. I am not going to go into further details just to say that Freifunk is a network on its own, but most people just use it to get access to the wider internet. Now, the most relevant items are that it is open and free, which means that you don't need any access data to connect. If you see a Freifunk router advertised anywhere, then you just use your settings and you will notice that it is an unencrypted, unauthenticated network, which you can use straight away. Now, what has to be said fundamentally is, and which is relevant for me as a teacher, is about letting go is how I titled this slide, because this is a somewhat philosophical question. We see this range here, from left to right. On the left you have absolute control by the teaching person. And on the right you have total self-control on the side of the students. And, of course, in reality, you are somewhere on that scale, at any point of that scale. It won't work to use the position on the far right, meant politically. And the far left position of teacher control is what many people might be tempted to use. So, something that might illustrate that is the notes I took in my showing in the bottom half of that slide. I tend to drift towards stronger self-control by the students and the way I teach. She is infused by that. Do I want to go? Am I happy with them always having that access? If I wonder whether to install a Freifunk at my school, my conclusion has to be that I don't really mind if students use their private devices to connect during the lesson. In 2015, the situation was for me that we had a few access points in teacher's rooms in the schools allowing teachers to use the internet. In principle, we knew that in our school we would like to have internet access everywhere, which led to technical problems first. There weren't cables in all the rooms, which led me, as someone who knew Freifunk, to supply the whole building with a mesh network and that meant that people had Freifunk access, which the students liked. And we were then wondering how can we really roll out Wi-Fi to the whole of this school. And do you want to stay with Freifunk for that? And there are a few basic questions to consider, in the context. For example, there are privacy implications. There are regulations, administrative ones. The federal state of Baden-Württemberg actually prohibits teacher's devices that can contain personal data on students to be connected to open Wi-Fi networks. So it was clear from the start that two Wi-Fi networks would be needed, one for the teachers and another, which could be Freifunk or something else for the students. And the basic question then was should students have access at every time or should it require a permission given and bestown at certain times. And the answer was quickly found that there should be all-time access. Then the question was do we need a filter to protect them from certain content? And you have to say, I know quite certainly that various German federal states deal with this in different ways. In Baden-Württemberg, we found, by asking the district government that a filter would not be mandatory, there should be measures for prevention, which we had by, I didn't quite get what the measures were. But probably there were people to talk to. Another question, if you want to know, the question was how do we manage the access points? Once you have about 50 of them, there is a problem there, and we opted for a unified to solve that. But the aim clearly was to get the students, to give the students all-time access with their own devices too, with the private devices that they would bring, so that we as teachers would have anything to do with that. And about the formalities, the question was how do I get the necessary permission to install such a network? I have to go through the school committees, there is the teachers conference and the general conference, which consists of the head of the school, teachers, parents and students, the general conference. And optionally, I don't think this is a rule in our federal state, we also went to the elected parents' representatives at the beginning of the school year and introduced a concept to them. And because of the filtering, we looked at the regulations and asked the district government to verify that filtering would not be necessary. The committees agreed and some funding was available too, so that gave us wifi. And the way we explained this, I'd like to introduce that to you, the essential point was at the beginning of the debate was, well, students, the worry was always, well, access the internet in an uncontrolled way. And the way we argued was to say that, well, we have these green networks now that are administered by us. It's for us to control who will get access. And then there is this other area that is always available, that's mobile internet, which students have on their private devices anyway. And the problem with that is that that is expensive and that is still the case. Discount offers normally come with relatively bad internet access, so you would normally need real subscriptions for your contracts, which is expensive. And our argument was that we will use a free and citizen control network instead and give them that. And that really was something everyone could understand and agree with quite quickly. So, since 2016 now we have Freifunk at our school and more, which I'm going to talk about. Technically, what we did was if any Freifunkers are present, the SSID is Freifunk as normal, there is no access restriction. The whole thing runs over a virtual LAN and arrives an offloader that uses the school's internet connection as a gateway and they connect to Freifunk of the Freiburg region and that gives you an effective bandwidth of about 100 megabit symmetrical bandwidth. It has to be said we are fairly happy, we have a fortune situation with a fiber connection to our school which has symmetric bandwidth so nothing is really taken away and everyone can access the net. All the time there is no management effort. It all works quite well so far. And I'm now going to take a brief deep breath because that in principle was the official part of it at a public school where you can have this kind of network access you have about 300-400 devices connected on a normal day so about two thirds of all the students have a device and as a side remark we actually have a mobile phone prohibition in place. Devices can be used but only for the occasions defined by teachers. So it's not like students are now sitting around in the corridors and staring at their phones all the time this is used in lessons prompted by the teacher. A further thing that took away from that discussion I was surprised that many students really asked me whether they could simply access that internet that has stopped by now because a new normality was established before that what they were used to was they were going to sign agreements saying that the school could see where I served to as a student so it was unusual for them to have this free kind of access. Second takeaway was that parents don't really know a lot about what the devices can do the devices that their students that their children have in their pockets so parents might say I'm not giving a SIM card to my child to prevent my phone from having access so it was a surprise for them to learn how it works and interestingly there was no debate about radiation that you often get when Wi-Fi is being talked about hear that as a worry quite often but we didn't have that there is a conspiracy theorist now that likes to kind of have that debate in retrospect I'm not really a worry for now so there is a working group on Freifunk that was established now that the foundations were laid so students were introduced to Freifunk in 2016, as I said and in the term of 2016 and 17 the refugee person in the community asked whether a refugee Residency could be supplied through us so could be supplied with Freifunk and that led a working group to form which looked at the situation and saw whether they could have out this residency there is an there is an 800 meter distance from the building to the building that you see in the background we built a radio link using 841 TP-Link Devices and they did use the schools line to get connected to the internet that was a lot of fun to computer science courses were involved there was good media coverage which we were happy about and then the students asked is it okay it works it updates automatically and we thought we could do a bit more maybe and at that point I have to fast forward cause we are nearing the end of our time we had extended talks with the community and they came on board eventually and now Das ist die Situation, die wir haben. Wir sehen die Schule in der hohen Reise. Wir haben den Town Hall. Die mehr refugee Residenz sind. Pensioner-Homes sind jetzt verbunden. Es ist ein open meeting place. Wir haben die Stadt und die Community angeboten. Wir haben mehr Gruppen angeboten. Wir haben die Freifugung angeboten. Die Gruppe von uns war mehr Arbeit, mehr Platz zu arbeiten in der Stadt. Das ist die Summary. Wir haben einen schönen Backbund in der Community. Wir haben die Stadt Freibad. Wir haben die Hapkig Pool, den Town Library. Wir haben den Home Park. Wir haben die Railway Station Square. Die Arbeitsgruppe hat einen Es funktioniert sehr gut, ohne große Probleme, und es funktioniert sehr gut. Natürlich gibt es andere Schulen in anderen Regionen, wo die Studenten da sind. Es funktioniert sehr gut für uns. Wir arbeiten mit den Studenten. Die Studenten-Working-Gruppe hat viel Effekt, aber es ist Spaß. Mein Take-Away ist, wie Jessica gesagt hat in der Introduktion, wenn man sich Dinge macht, ist das nicht nur schlecht. Es gibt viel zu lernen, nicht nur für die Schüler, sondern auch für die Studenten. Und es radiates aus in die Community. Das ist etwas, das nicht underestimate sollte. Für die Komplettung muss ich natürlich die Studenten, die die Freifunk-Mösingen haben, in der Freifunk-Region in Dylendag, die drei Regionen, ich möchte Freifunk-Stuttgart und die Stadt of Mösingen, die für uns jetzt eine Budgetposition haben, die uns viel supportiert haben. Wenn es Fragen gibt, könntest du mich fragen bei Mastedon. Die Slides sind in Github. Und da ist ein Ort, in dem ich gesehen habe, dass Jessica die Materialien darstellt. Das geht mir bis zum Ende meiner Rede. Vielen Dank, Frank. Das war genau in der Zeit. Es waren 15 Minuten. Und du hattest nicht so viel zu haben. Aber ich dachte, wir sollten Freifunk machen, weil es viele sehr wichtige, gute Informationen gibt. Aber ich glaube, es gibt noch viele Leute im Stream. Ich habe gesehen, dass das Stream vielleicht problematisch ist. Ich hoffe, dass nicht zu viele Leute es sind. Danke, dass du dein Audio noch aufhörst, wenn du es aufhörst. Was ich hier gesagt habe, ist, was ich finde, dass du Projekte mit Studenten, in Arbeitsplätzen, oder in Arbeitsgruppen, und das ist wirklich genau, was ich mit der sustainbaren Erleichterung meinte, dass ich nicht nur präpariertes Content teachen, aber auch zusammenarbeiten mit Studenten, und ich finde, das ist eine gute Idee. Ja, natürlich. Meine Frage ist zu Oliver. Bist du bereit für deine Präsentation? Wir sind ein bisschen zu früh, drei Minuten zu früh, aber Oliver wird den Projekt präsentieren, das bedeutet, wir gehen away von was schon da ist, aber schauen, was da sein könnte. Und das ist auch sehr interessant. Okay, kannst du mir hören? Dein Screen? Kannst du meinen Screen sehen? Wir können den Screen sehen. Ja. Wir haben eine sehr gute Introduktion. Was ist es, um etwas zu creatieren? Warum ist es eine gute Idee? Weil das ist genau, wo wir gehen. Weil all die Themen, die wir vor dem Moodle, das nächste Cloud, das haben wir auch gehört. Wir haben auch gehört, um die Dokumente zu arbeiten mit Kollaborer im nächsten Cloud. Alle diese brauchen Servers. In IRC, ich habe gesehen, dass jemand, so ein Server ist, der vielleicht zu viel fragt, aber wenn es mehr als ein USB-Stick ist, ist das ein Problem. In dem Thema hier, das ist der Virus Hackathon, im März, war es um, wie wir es tun. Vielleicht, wer bin ich? Warum habe ich das gesprochen, obwohl ich nicht ein Lehrer bin? Ich studiere Computer-Science im Automotive-Industrie. Ich arbeite in der Digitalfaktorie. Aber ich bin sehr interessiert in Open Source und Privacy. Ich habe Publikum zu meinen E-Mails, und in der Kommunikation mit Digitalfaktoren war es das erste Mal in Jahren, dass ich eine e-mail-E-Mail senden konnte. Das war wirklich toll. Ich arbeite in der Digitalfaktorie und war interessiert in den Schulprojekten, weil wenn wir Open Source tun, und wenn wir die Technik mit Software tun, müssen wir mit den Schulen starten und besonders die Zeit, die wir jetzt haben, ist, Microsoft 365, weil es so einfach ist. Aber ich muss sicherlich sein, dass du weißt, dass du keine Kontrolle über deine Daten hast, dass es einen bestimmten Risiko gibt. Das ist die Richtung meiner Projekt. Vielleicht kann ich die Links zeigen, was es um Hackathon war. Mein kleiner Park war ein Projekt, das ich dir zeigen möchte. Und weil wir gefunden haben, dass es viele Tools gibt, wie Jupiter, Next Cloud, Moodle, und Jupiter ist eine e-Learning-Plattform. Es gibt so viele Tools, die man benutzen kann. Wie könnte es sein, dass jemand, dass Microsoft 365 ein Big Brother Award hat, mit Digital Courage. Wie können wir das tun? Das ist die Richtung, die ich gehe. Wie kann man das an den Schulen machen und den Provider auch machen? Was ist Elias? Das ist ein Beispiel, das wir entschieden haben, weil es ein e-Learning-Plattform ist, die Universität und viele Universitäten hat viele Features. Das ist ähnlich wie Moodle. Man kann viel machen. Alle diese Tools, man kann sie selbst hosten oder man kann einen professionellen Hosting-Service nutzen, das kostet viel Geld. Wie kann man das tun? Wir haben einen großen Budget für Digitalisation in den Schulen, aber man kann es nicht für alles benutzen. Vielleicht ist das für die Frage manchmal. Was ist das Resultat der Hackathon? Ich zeige es dir, ob das funktioniert. Ich zeige es dir, hier gibt es YouTube-Videos von der Hackathon. Ihr könnt sie sehen und sie sehen, wie das funktioniert. Wir können das sehen, wenn nichts anderes funktioniert. Es gibt ein Github-Projekt, wo ihr die Source-Code finden könnt, die das Hackathon gemacht hat. Okay. Wenn ihr selbst hostet, das Projekt, und wir brauchen ein Service, das ist klar. Wir brauchen ein Web-Service, eine SSL-Zertifikat, die Browser-Show, das ist inklusive. Man muss viel tun, aber wenn man es durch die Hand macht, gibt es viel zu tun. Mit einem Technologisch-Docker, möchte ich nicht zu tief gehen, weil ein paar Teachers werden es hören. Aber das muss man manualerweise machen. Aber das Ziel ist, es zu machen, wie es möglich ist. Es gibt ein Exiliereschrift, um Illias zu konfigurieren und zu installieren. Man kann einfach von dem das Github-Projekt sehen. Man braucht nur ein bisschen Knowledge, wie das funktioniert. Aber wenn man es auf dem Server hat und ein Domain hat, dann ist es sehr leicht zu konfigurieren und zu starten. Das ist mit Illias gearbeitet. Man kann mit anderen Tools es weiter machen. Wir nehmen ein Beispiel. Das ist ein Illias-Installation. Wenn man etwas konfigurieren kann, dann dieses Wizard wird dir durch das Installation von diesem Environment ein Schulklient von Illias. Er ist ein bisschen simplifiziert und ist restriktiert zu bestimmten Features. Es gibt ein Default-Installation, das alles kann. Man kann several Instances von den Schulen installieren. Jetzt habe ich den Domain Tiger Beetle mit Illias-1, Tiger Beetle und Illias-2 auf dem gleichen Domain. Ich konfiguriere diese. Es zeigt die Konfiguration. Man kann die Konfiguration konfigurieren und starten. Wir schauen, ob es wirklich funktioniert. Vieles funktioniert im Hintergrund. Viele Docker-Containers werden starten. Sie werden installiert und installiert. Es war sehr schnell, aber im Hintergrund wird alles starten und SSL-Sertifizien und alles sieht korrekt aus. Oh, mein Stream hat stoppt. Es gibt zwei Konfigurationen, von denen man sich schaut, um an das erste Passort zu kommen. Ja, es ist zurück. Ich kann briefly zeigen, dass es schon im Browser läuft. Okay. So, das Database ist starten. Es gibt einen Passort. Man sieht es hier in der neuen Installation, aber natürlich muss man das geliehen und das ändern. Aber jetzt sollten wir die Installation auf Elias 1 Tiger Beetle finden. Es funktioniert nicht im Moment. Es kann in der live-Demonstration sein, wie man es konfiguriert. Es ist elias1.tiger Beetle.de Das funktioniert nicht. Das ist den Effekt, den man oft in Präsentationen hat, dass es ein Risiko ist, dass es so funktioniert. Es funktioniert gestern. Wenn man die Karte anschaut, dass es zu viele times nicht funktioniert, kann man in der Video schauen, wie es supposed zu sehen ist. Mal versuchen. Ich weiß nicht genau. Ich weiß nicht genau, was went wrong. Man sieht, dass man die Certificate besucht hat und warum es nicht beginnt. Es ist nicht eine Produkteuse. Es ist ein Hackathon-Projekt, das gestern entwickelt wurde. Aber jetzt funktioniert es. Wir haben einen working Elias-Instanz. Es ist normal. Es ist viel mehr Arbeit. Aber jeder, der so ein Server ist, weiß, dass es viel Arbeit ist. Aber es ist sehr hilfreich, wenn man diese Skrips, die viel simplifiert. Ich kann es nicht zeigen. Aber es ist eher, wie du dich hostest. Das ist das Ende der Präsentation. Jetzt gehen wir zur Q&A-Session. Ich sollte sagen, dass Elias eine Plattform, eine Studie-Plattform, eine Studie-Plattform, die in den Universitätens- und Personalproduktur, eine Studie-Plattform haben. Es gibt aber eine hardship. In der Pandemie war es eine Aktion, mit Elias zu schulen. Es gibt ein Templat für die Schulen. Viele Community from Elias-Fraktion. Ich weiß doch, dass das replaceant auf den Schools war. Es gibt viele Möglichkeiten. Wenn es vielleicht Fragen gibt, ist das nicht ein Problem, wir können das am Ende machen und wir haben eine weitere kurze Präsentation. Also, Sie sind mit Ihrer Präsentation fertig. Ja, wenn es keine weiteren Fragen gibt und die Fragen... Es ist nicht so viel für die Lehrer. Diese Präsentation vielleicht, außer Computer-Science-Teachers, vielleicht. Aber Sie können mich talken, wenn Sie vielleicht interessiert sind, wenn Sie es nutzen. Ja. Okay, vielen Dank. So, ich habe dich nicht interessiert. Okay. Also, wir haben eine weitere kurze Präsentation über Schulverwalter, über die Software. Und wir haben es am Ende, intensiv, und es ist ein bisschen kleiner als die anderen, weil der Schulverwalt nicht open-sourced ist. Wir haben... Wir haben sich... ... sich vorzuschauen, ob wir das Präsentation geben wollen oder nicht... ... oder nicht, aber... ... aber... ... aber dass es keine datasecure Alternate gibt... ... zu dieser... ... zu dieser... ... Software, wir machen eine kleine Ausnahme und... ... although es ist nur frei, wird es als Präsentation hier zu sehen. Erklärung. Ich habe mein Screen. Kann man den schon sehen? Kann man den schon sehen? Ja. Fantastisch. Ich möchte über die Digital-Schule-Administration sprechen. Wie kann man mit Studenten kommunikieren? Ich möchte nicht, aber ich möchte die Perspektive der Lehrer fokussieren. Ich bin von Leipzig. Das ist das, was man alle gerne sein möchte, wenn es keine Pandemie gibt. Ich bin als Lehrer in der Schule. Warum möchte man eine Schule digitalisieren? Vielleicht muss ich das nicht erklären. Einige Lehrer müssen ein Buch teilen, um etwas zu holen. Oder fragen, ob ein Student präsent ist oder sich. Es gibt viel Effort. Das ist der Moment, wenn man mit Studenten beschäftigt. Du denkst, warum du digitalisierst. Wenn du an den Markt schaust, dann siehst du, dass man nicht viel Geld verlangt. Das ist ziemlich alt. Wenn ich ein Software habe, das ist ein Prämie, ein Beispiel. Dann haben du viele Möglichkeiten. Es ist nicht technisch, jede Person ist überwältigt. Ich habe mich gefragt, ob ich das nicht weiß. Oder ob ich das nicht weiß muss. Das ist nicht funktionieren. Die Schule sagt, dass man wieder auf dem Papier holt. Ich war sehr stolz. Ich dachte, das ist nicht der Fall, dass es funktionieren sollte. Ich habe zwei Freunde. Wir sind Teachers. Wir wollen zeigen, dass es funktioniert. Ich möchte die Teachers zeigen, ob man achtet, wenn man ein Software einführt. Ich möchte die Computer-Scientisten engagieren. Wenn sie uns helfen, haben die Teachers mehr Zeit an der Schule zu sein. Wir haben zuerst gefragt, wo wir die meisten der Brüche fragen. Das ist das Anwesende-Management von Schülern. Das ist ein bisschen wichtiger. Ich muss viel wissen, ob die Kinder schuld sind. Wir haben uns gefragt, ob wir das tun können. Das ist nicht leicht zu antworten. Wenn wir wussten, dass wir digitalisieren können , Und wenn ich weiter die automatische Durchschnittsberechnungen verwende, oder eben auch Schüler zusammensetzen, ja, ich kann die Summary-Summaris sehen, was man sehen kann, und nicht nur die Verscheidung. Was wir gelernt haben ist, dass man nicht starten, instellen, in der Schule. Manchmal funktioniert es nicht alles, oder die Updates sind nur in der Summary gewollt. Das ist bärsing und Features sind missig. Das ist warum wir die Prise von den Resulten im Browser haben. Die zweite Sache, was wir gelernt haben, ist, dass die Schüler nicht PC haben, wie wir sie haben. Sie haben oft nur ein Smartphone, besonders für Familien, und auch Familien, die nicht sehr textuell sind. Die Eltern haben nicht ein Device mit einem großen Kram, also haben wir gedacht, dass wir erst mal ein Smartphone machen müssen, also haben wir eine App für Android und iOS eröffnet. Wie soll man das introduzieren? Es wird uns nach einigen Wochen nicht mehr verursacht. Zuerst musst du die Testgruppe wählen. So, then you overlook something, you see sport teachers need something else afterwards. You have to do workshops. So you teach everything to the students and also the teachers. And the most important is having office hours. So the teachers, when they have to overlook children and students, then it's different to use it in a room and somebody can get in either a student or a teacher and they can ask me questions. Where is the wifi cable or I need a password or I have a question for this desk. That's the way you can introduce it very well. So only introduce one software at a time and really think about documentation. We have made the experience, views are best and that is similar to a teacher. That's why, because somebody is explaining something, but we also wrote a doko. So then we need to spend less time with support and can focus on work. If you say this is interesting or I would like to see more technical details, but you can write me. I'm an IRC. Ich habe ein bisschen auf die 2D Welt geholt. You can find the link to my profile. My Twitter account is WI underscore WI SSEN. And there's the website Schulfabatt.de und Klassenhof. Yeah, thank you. That was my input. Und ich freue mich jetzt auf den Anschluss. And I'm looking forward to the questions. And thank you Julian. So I said Julian has organized a teacher desk. That's nothing we have had now, but yeah, I see. There are some questions left to Moodle, but you can spend the remaining time to ask more questions with Twitter or in the chat window below the stream. An Angel will forward those questions to us so we can answer them. And I'm, yes, Stefan will now talk. A lot of schools already use Moodle. And there's one question to Stefan, which plugin you use to create audio already in Moodle and use it for review feedback. Yes, I have looked at the questions already. Teilweise die schon im Moodle-Support mehrfach beantwortet. Also das Audio-Direct geht. The audio is using the record IRC plugin. So it's coming from the big blue button people. And that's something you can build into atom and also tiny MCE editor. And if you give the option online to text input, then the people can click on the microphone symbol and can record. I have gotten the feedback that this is not working in all browsers, really stable. I don't know what the reason for that is. Does this answer the questions? We think yes. Yeah, the person cannot give feedback if the question is answered. But that's a good hint. The next question is about the Moodle-App, which is not suitable for administration of Moodle and is there anybody working on that? The Moodle-App is only for the users of for teachers and trainers. And honestly, from my experience as an admin, I didn't want to want to administer Moodle on a mobile device. It would be too complicated, maybe on a tablet, but the possibilities are the possibilities are an options to configure so many. Then I prefer to have two monitors and work this way. And doing the administration over the app, I don't see that working. So, I'm just checking the other questions. Something about BigBloodButton, but that comes later. Is that also in Moodle? Yeah, I also think it makes sense to call it directly from Moodle. It just minimized the number of screens. So, how can you combine BigBloodButton and Moodle? So, in Bandwirt-Back, we have those combined. I actually showed that in the demo, that the activity plugin for BigBloodButton exists. And you can just use it as any other plugin for activities directly in Moodle. So, if you want to know if all the functionality of BigBloodButton runs directly on the Moodle-Server, in our state, it's on a different location. So, it's not hosted on the same server, but it's called directly from the Moodle-Server. So, when you click on it, BigBloodButton directly starts, and you then are on the BigBloodButton-Server. I hope that answers the question. Or I hope I got the question correctly. But as mentioned for me, the main advantage is that with the children, you don't have to say. Yeah, if we have a conference, you go there, and if we have lessons, you go there. But it's all in the same, you start at the same portal, basically. Yeah, that was a nice answer, a sufficient answer. Yeah, often there are nice ideas for plugins and Extensions. How can we structure the creation of these? Maybe you have an answer. Yeah, so in Bandwurmback, we have the same problem. We have two functionalities that we really wanted to have. So, the original Ubikon plugin that uses a cron job and can transfer different file formats into PDFs. And PDFs, you can edit PDFs directly online in BigBloodButton and make notes and give feedback into the PDF. So we had this problem in Bandwurmback. And due to security concerns, we couldn't use the original Unokon. So, we gave out a contract, paid by the state. And I think that was a local company and we gave them a contract. And in the next version. Yeah, 393 plus version should be published before the ninth. So, yeah, how can we contribute when it's about Moodle? The first step would be to go to Moodle.org and check the plugins. Is there maybe something similar, something that works in the same direction or is created in the same area? And then maybe use that and talk to those developers and maybe create a ticket to suggest the new functionality. And then you can talk to those developers or maybe they will talk to you. And then, yeah, you have to discuss it and see what they can do. But maybe you can give as a financial incentive. So the functionality is added. Great. I think those were all the questions to Moodle. There is one more that is more general. Why are you always only? Why are you not checking iSurf? As far as I know, a lot of states are using it. Yeah, that's correct. The answer is very simple. We were asking openly who wants to talk about what software and we didn't tell people what to talk about. And nobody wanted to talk about iSurf. But as soon as we get information to iSurf, what to keep in mind when using it, then, of course, a digital courage on our web page. We will publish information. I think right now there is no information on that. But we already asked for information. Other than that, there are a few more questions for Julian. First of all, why did you decide on creating a closed-source software? Do you want to defend yourself? Well, I don't dare doing open-source yet. Ich mag es sehr. Und ich habe bereits einen open-dokumentationen-Revolutionarie gefunden, weil niemand das wirklich macht. Und du musst wissen, dass wenn du zu Schulen sprechen musst, du musst ein legales Framework haben. Und ich habe schon viel Geld investiert. Also, ich würde gerne even brechen. Ich muss sagen, wenn jemand eine Idee hat und ich weiß, dass es technisch möglich ist, dann kann jemand mich von open-source konvenzen. Ich würde es considerieren. Ja, in der Chat. Die Leute haben auch gesagt, dass es die Software ALEC-SYS ist. ALEC-SYS mit K, und dann SIS. Das existiert als ein free und open-data- data-private-Software-Alternative. Vielleicht ist das auch etwas, was zu checken. Und除 from that, ich würde eigentlich diese Runde diese Runde für jetzt, wenn es nicht mehr Fragen gibt. In der Chat, wir können definitiv online bleiben. Wir haben ein paar Minuten. So, wer jemals über Jitzi ist, kann definitiv ein bisschen länger bleiben. Wir haben natürlich auch weitere Fragen. Und für die Spiegel, bitte, add the most important links from your slides to the pad. So, we can also publish them on our website. And the presentations will also be uploaded there, if we are allowed to do that. And the link can also, for the impatient ones, mention here. I chose something that can be read. It's called pad.org. That's the old name of digital courage. So, it's pad.foeb. So, F-O-E-B-U-D. Dot org slash digitales Klassenzimmer. That's digital classroom. That's a digital classroom in German. But it will also be our C3 page. So, I would like to put a stop point here. And thank all the speakers for participating. And in the shop, there were a few orders already. And because today is a workday, they are already getting packed. And we are happy about that. Because our problem is that when we are running out of time, we are already getting packed. And we are happy about that. Because our problem is that when we are running such a campaign about education, we have the problem that education is a local problem in Germany. And as a small organization from the city of Bielefeld, we are running into the problem that people are online and clicking close and far. And share, so they can download it and order a physical copy and share it and also bring it into their local communities. So, that is the good thing about online. We don't have to go into all the local communities, but other people can do it. And the further it spreads, the better. And of course we are happy about feedback. We already got a lot about the content. Yeah, I can mention some numbers. I don't know the latest numbers, but we already sent out over 600 packets, educational packets. So many schools are happy to receive them. 600 is a good number. But there is 32,000 schools. So there is still a lot to do. So, we are happy about all how we can get. So, yeah, we are also happy about donations, so we can afford to send out these packets. And also, I mean, these can be sent in a digital form via e-mail. That's the easiest and cheapest way. And the same as we, just as we had school addresses, we already sent them out ourselves. But you can imagine that when it comes from a parent or from a teacher who's working there, and you could also just print out the PDF, some people need things on their desk. Then it's, of course, a different thing that when something comes like spam from somewhere and you get it via e-mail and you don't even know what do you want from me. So, it's worth more when people bring it in. Which I will weigh. So, you can, of course, click together the components yourself, but it's more expensive than just getting the packets, the preconfigured packets. So it's not for us to get rich, but to have optimal packets and to make it easier. And yeah, it needs the power of the many hearts who help and take part in it. And I'm always happy when there is, whenever there is an event about this, that people are really interested in it. So, thank you very much to all the people who are here in this room and also the ones who help, who are watching in the stream. So, this dialogue is actually just beginning. So, we're hoping that we can just do our part and that it gets easier for people because there's a lot of people who don't know anything yet, but who want to get started and to want to participate and to give these people a starting point. Yeah, I also want to say thanks again to all the speakers, it was really a lot. It was quite fast, but I really got a lot of feedback and it was really nice. There were a lot of topics and it was a nice event. And even though we couldn't talk face-to-face, as it would have been in a normal workshop, we definitely did our best and you more or less know who was talking. We were showing the list in the beginning, who was talking about what topic and we can show that again. So, if you have a specific question, you can definitely talk to them via other channels, either via me and digital courage, und ja, Lena, do you want to add something? No, I think we mentioned everything important. There is of course a lot more to discuss and a lot more to tell, however we don't have the ideal space for that right now. But of course there is always the option to group together in smaller groups. Also put in the email addresses in the Etherpad. So, feel free to contact us during the Congress and maybe we can create a smaller discussion in a workshop round. And for us it was important here to not always say, use free software and there's so much, but also to give specific examples to show the software, to demonstrate that it works and to reduce the hesitance maybe. And yeah, I hope that we could also make a small step for mankind to help all of us forward and we were already mentioning in the beginning the workgroup Pedagogy, sorry. So we have a small hurdle, a starting hurdle, so some of us own. So they can also contact us. And that's a different level, but also to think about how could educational concepts look like and what you can do to bring this more to visibility, this topic that's on our website for children and young adults. There are some links and then you find the working group for education. Last note for me, that's something which was raised in our chat. So there are a lot of speakers from Baden-Württemberg and that is by chance. Maybe in those circles I was asking more about speakers, but chance in Baden-Württemberg, but there's something going on with Microsoft in Baden-Württemberg. So by the minister, a project was started to bring Microsoft so fit to a lot of schools. And a lot of people got together there and they are actively fighting against this happening in their federal country. And that's why a lot of people are active from this region. So I hope at the next congress we will have a very versatile group from all different states. So who are being active against proprietary software. So that would be what I like to see next year. So I wish you a Happy New Year and if you like you can stay here in the Jitzi Room and I will be here for a little longer. And yeah, otherwise we see each other at the next congress or somewhere else.