 I think we are now live at the Inferno, Alan. You do? Yeah, we are live. And it's been too long. I'm trying to grab Alan. I'm trying to grab Todd. I'm trying to synchronize the two together. Todd's off at work. Alan's off at work. But I think we finally got some time that we can do this all together. There we go. Now I can have it muted. I can see some comments here. That's right. 1990, guys. We made it. We did a decade. That was a good time, wasn't it? 1990, damn. 90, I don't know, man. I think the cover is starting to get bare as far as I'm concerned. But hey, we'll find out soon enough, right? You know what? I'm going to say this as we start. Metal started off as sort of like metal or hard rock metal and it evolved into hair metal. Now it's evolving into something else. So the definition of metal has been changing throughout the decade. Is that philosophical enough for you guys out there? That's a fair assessment. You know, stoner rock, you know, all these subcategories, sub-johns. I think metal had that in the 80s as well. Yeah, and it kept changing. And it's even changing to this day. So is this album metal? Let's start things off. We'll do the honorable mentions after this time because I screwed it up last time and I did the honorable mentions first. OK. Our guest today, Todd Latori. Hey, that's a cool shirt. What is that? Hey, look at this. Yeah, that's a cool shirt. This one here? Yeah. You know what the tagline is? It's bunny rabbit soft. Bunny rabbit soft. Alan, what are you wearing? Motorhead? Motorhead. Remember me now. All right. Yeah. So if you want to pick up a Todd Latori shirt, you can also pick up the CD. Alan, will this make the top 10 metal albums of 2021? Well, yes. We'll find out in about 20 years. No, this year, man. In December, will we do that? Oh, in December, OK. Not in 20 years when we roll off from 1991 up to 2020. Yeah. Yeah, when you do it, the 2021 very well be. I don't want to do anything. What is going to happen? What is going to happen? Dude, it's a straw. It's a contender. I don't care what anybody says. What is going to happen? So I'm biased opinion. Let's make some people cry right now. OK, here we go. All right. I'm going to show everybody the number 10. I'm going to let Alan speak to this. Starting off at number 10 of the top 10 metal albums of 1990. We got Alan, that's your cue. Thank you. Oh, sure. Again, this was a hidden jam and made the top 10. So I'm not going to complain. It's Kings of the Sun, full frontal, full frontal attack right there. And I liked it so much, not only do I have it on vinyl. I got it on cassette, too. Isn't that lovely? I've never heard of them. Tell us about them. They opened up for Bruce Dickinson on his Tattooed Millionaire tour. And they were a band that I loved their debut album. They opened for Guns N' Roses in Australia and had a little bit of a kerfuffle with Mr. Axl Rose, where they kind of dissed him as an opening band. And that just doesn't happen when you're dissing the headliner. So off they go, kicked off. And the Hode brothers have basically disappeared since. Their third album was never released, so it's very hard to find. But I mean, it's just a garage band extraordinaire. I love these guys from Australia. And there's about four of us in the world I think that likes these guys. I'm one of them. And I just think they're fantastic. So I had them out. But are they metal, Alan? Are they metal? Are we going to the front or not? I don't care. I like it. Oh, look at a look. That's all that matters. OK. So I guess the criteria has become genre defining, groundbreaking, a shitload of sales, for people like to record. Or I like the song. I like them a lot. That's all that matters. That's all I got to say. Fair enough. I like them a lot. You know what our motto here taught at Metal Voice? You know what it is? It's our show. We do whatever we want. Yeah. Just the way it goes. Yeah. That's the motto. OK. But nobody else said, you know, did you listen to it? Did you like it? I heard it. You know, but it's not really my thing. Hard Rock is not never was my thing. Todd, did you take a listen? No. Oh, OK. No. Todd, about that. I can lie. I can lie and go, yeah, I gave it a listen. You know, I'm not going to bullshit you. I didn't listen to it. You'll be pleasantly surprised when you do. I will listen to it. But when I got the list from Jimmy, I mean, I got a million things going on. And I knew most everything on the list. But that was one. There's two on the list that I just don't know who they are. I'm not familiar with them. So pardon my ignorance. And our buddy, Perrin says he saw them open up for Bruce Dickinson at the spectrum in Montreal. More rock than metal, though. So, so there's a couple of strikes here, Alan. They're not really metal. For every comment that Todd gives us, this is not metal. I got 10 guys are saying, well, you have to understand back in the 80s, you know, they're all metal. And so, hey, you know what? Nobody's right. Nobody's wrong. So you know what I will. I will say that, yes, this is the time where things start to shift musically. What we perceived as, quote, metal with good, good, good, like, lick it up, you know, just any kind of a chuggy guitar thing, you know, that's where all these sub genres start coming in. The branches of the evolution of metal, you know, does what it does. But yeah, let's go to number nine. Let's go to number nine. I think a lot of people. Perrin, I was there as well. Number nine? We're ready for number nine? Hold on. I got, I don't even know. We can debate this as well. OK, go ahead. Here we go. Here it is. The Scorpions. Crazy world released in 1990. A lot of people, I would say on this album, look, there's a lot of ballads on this. There there's this is when they started going into ballads, right? There's two ballads, big ballads. But however, the guitar soloing is metal. Matias, Jobs, Jobs. He's he's just like he's licking it up. He's just there's the riffs. There's the metal. The production's big. I would consider this a metal album. What about everybody out there? Number nine program, the crazy world program. We're all crazy. Look at that. Todd, memories from Scorpions. What do you think you toured the Scorpions? I've toured a lot with the Scorpions. That's it. They're metal. They're a they're again in the early days, you know, blackout that that was metal back then. I agree. You know, is that a metal record in my opinion? No, but I mean, you know, they were one of those early bands that kind of were were doing that. And when we when we toured with them, we did like a, I don't know, four to six week tour in North America. And then we did a residency in Vegas with them for a few weeks. Then we did another tour with them. And then we're doing another residency. So we're like good friends with with the band and the whole camp. And there's there's a couple of songs on this on this record. I think send me an angel. Yeah. OK, it goes here I am. Will you send me an angel? I get goosebumps every night on that part. It was just it was amazing. And Klaus, the greatest all time singers. Todd, you know, I saw you guys here in Montreal, you opening for the Scorpions. And the comments I got from everybody is like, it's like Klaus sounds exactly, but exactly like on record or on CD. Like his voice is so distinguishable. And, you know, sometimes you hear stuff live. You say, OK, you know, but it's as if it's as if, you know, it's a recording. That's how close he's able to nail it each and every time. Well, you know, he's got he's got such a distinguished tone, you know, that, you know, that kind of Don Dawkins has a similar sound on those records where it's this almost like the upper part of the of the of your mouth and throat. And it has a nasal resonance to it. There's a very distinct sound to his to his voice. But I mean, he still sounds. I mean, I remember we celebrated, I think it was his 70th birthday. And then we did again with Rudy's 70th birthday a couple years later. But he still. He changes a couple of phrasings. But a little bit of a down tuning sometimes. But overall, yeah, there might be. But I mean, he's still a great showman. He still has a voice that I love. And yeah, that record was huge. I mean, Winds of Change was on that record. And that was Lee's Me. Yeah, that went for one. They exploded worldwide with Winds of Change. Dude, that was if you didn't know that, like, you know, still loving you got them up to the next level, but I say Winds of Change. Just seven million seven million albums sold. And that's after the super glossy savage amusement, which like I think Jimmy said, they were one of the first ones to go digital on that album. So again, this was a nice comeback when I consider a metal album myself. No, but but the Scorps are the Scorps. And this one just it just went global after this. Everything that followed was kind of a letdown. But then for a while. But, you know, I'm glad this one made the top 10. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, I'm glad to I mean, I think it's one of their last really heavy hitting albums and then everything else kind of goes south. But anyways, I hope their new album comes out and I hope it's great. So how's that? I love the Scorps. Now, this would not be a top 10 show without Jimmy's next choice. I mean, here we go. No, no, Todd and Alan, you guys diss me for this. But it has to be said, it has to be put on the list because it probably is the only real metal album on this whole list. I would disagree. No, I don't care what you're going to say. That's total horseshit. Yeah. OK, all right. One of the few metal albums on this list. Oh, come on. What is it? King Diamond the Eye. Now, you guys are probably we can't do any top 10 shows. We can't do any top 10 shows. We have King Diamond in there. But as all these bands were going like into Southern Rock and hair metal and all this King Diamond was sticking to the plan, play heavy metal. That's what he did. Big production, the vocals, great sounding. He's a little more on the lower side. He's not doing as much of that falsetto stuff. Very melodic. It's about Christianity, a topic that you love, Todd. And the dark side of Christianity. That's a story based on religious prosecution. Exactly. Persecution. Persecution. Right. So you like that stuff, Todd, you like that. I do like that stuff. You know what? It's you start to see for people that aren't in the. They can still see it. But for people that aren't in the industry, when we say, oh, it's a it's a small community, it's a small world. If you go back and revisit all of these these years that we do that you've had me a part of, there is a stable or stable. I don't know which word I would want to use. But there's a there's always that handful of of these the same bands. Yeah. You know. And so it's interesting because King Diamond's always in the list. And it's interesting, though, when you start, you realize how many bands are out there. There's thousands, right? And then there's bands like somebody in the comments section said in tune. I mean, or they'll be like obituary or deicide or death. And there's a lot more. There's just so many bands out there that probably deserve those mentions. But when we're talking on the grand scale, typically of including album sales and was that groundbreaking. Groundbreaking is subjective because there are there are black metal bands and hardcore and death bands that totally were groundbreaking like the band death. But unless you're into that, you know, and even then those sales weren't, you know, unfortunately, they're not going to match the big, big popular popular bands. So I just want to think about the legacy of King Diamond. I mean, of course, who he is today is based on those first five albums. And that's the five albums that I spoke about on all the shows. Those are that is the legacy right there. That's how Queen's Reich is. Queen's Reich's five, I'll toss in promise land just to be kind. But but I think those first five records are still kind of they're the legacy of the band, even though I'm proud of what I've done with the band. And I think the three records I've done so far with the band blow away the last decade or 15 years before I joined the band. But nevertheless, that is those are those records that got them those audiences and MTV exposure. And that's the stuff people remember. It's very dear to their heart and it really put them on the map. So, you know, same with Iron Maiden, same with, you know. Well, you know, King Diamond, the reason why he's on this list, exactly what you said. Yeah, and Jimmy's part of the show. That's why it's kind of like Alan puts on his. Hey, OK, let's go to the library to some. Let's go to the Bible here. Martin Popoff, where does he find it? The I comes in at number four hundred and forty four. Jim, I don't know if it's because you finally wore Todd and I down, but I actually really enjoyed this album. Like you said, he sang in the lower register. The theme of the album, the concept of the album is really interesting. And his voice lends perfectly to the concept of the album. So so finally, Jimmy, after all these years, you wore me down and I can say this this album really deserves to be in the top 10. You know, I've always I've always loved the music. I never liked the falsetto high singing. I always like the lower stuff. But I mean, but you know what? I mean, some people probably hate the way I sound. I don't hate the way he sounds. I just if I'm going to hear really high vocals, I want to hear something that sounds very powerful, like like a Halford style of of a delivery. But, you know, I am certainly not saying that album's not worthy of the list. By the way, there's another Greek on the board that's saying hello. Yes, sir. Yanis. Alan knows a little bit of Greek. Alan. Ella. To God, he's called it's a Ziki. That's what Alan knows. I know this where I was, but I went to school with a lot of Greeks like I did. I like that. I like that. OK, I need some better. All right. Here we go. All right. Number what do we add? Well, I have to go to I have to go to the list. Hold on. Number seven. I forgot where the again. These guys, OK. Oh, here we go. You're going to wait at the pizza pizza. They waited and waited for Bob Rock to be available as producer. And they were running out of time because basically when this was released, that was kind of the end of their career. One hit wonders. But again, an album that I love, I can't get enough of little Caesars. First, I used to order. I loved it so much. God, I like it said as well. That's how much I love this. But again, they bring a different thing to the metal community. A little bit kind of an R&B influence. Great album. I mean, I just and I don't know if you listen to it, Todd, but I did. I want to get your impression of Ron Young's voice, who I just love that voice. I mean, I listened to a couple. There was some video stuff on YouTube that I found. I mean, it was good. It's, you know, I'm more into the operatic or the very hard shrill stuff. But it was if I'm unless I watch something, you know, that isn't representative of what you're conveying, it was rock. I mean, was is that a metal? Were they metal? But they were they were lumped in there at that time. Yeah, because it sounded more kind of like bluesy soul rock. Yeah, exactly. OK. And you know what? Here, Alan Frank, my friend, saying, Alan, you rule, but that choice. Nope. Ha, ha, ha. And I actually know the band. Met them and saw them live. Cool choice. But yeah, Forbidden Death Angel or Annihilator better not have been replaced by. Yeah, but again, I like it. I love it. I still listen to it to this day. I think it's what it's a fantastic debut album. And their their take on Chain of Fools was their head at the time. But like I said, they waited too long to get the they wanted Bob Rock absolutely to produce it by the time they got it. It was pretty much over and grunge had taken over. So there's so many. I mean, Alan, somebody somebody's saying, geez, guys, what's with all these mediocre B list bands in the top 10? That's parent. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's OK. You could talk. You could say what you feel. Don't worry about it. The metal voice motto is we do whatever we want and say whatever we want. But I guess you got to be careful to be careful. You got to be careful because you're a celebrity. Celebrity. Me and Alan are just a bunch of guys. I'm not a celebrity. It's just if I say something, it makes a headline and everyone thinks I'm an asshole. When me and Alan say something, it doesn't make any headline. We're all good. I love that album. Anyways, let's get to number six. But you know what? They're still active today. That's what I'm getting at. Right, Alan? Yeah, they're still recording again. Like again, I wouldn't say they're super duper. I'm going back again. I don't have my hat with me or my 1990 hat. But at the time, you know, you know, all these guys are roped in. They're kind of like, you know, don't forget. Just so tall, one metal album of the year. So the people were very confused back then, but I would lean more towards a hard rock. But I just love the album. And that's why I put it on. And that's fine. That's fair enough. And that's good. Alan, if you love it, then I love it too. Hey, guys, just so everyone knows, audience, I had jack shit to do with anything you've heard so far. Now, Alan, who did the last one? A little Caesar was Alan. Little Caesar was Alan. Do the next one, Jimmy. OK, you ready? No. ACDC, as Todd takes a bite of his something beef jerky, beef jerky. Can't get enough beef jerky. Can't get enough. So here we go. ACDC, I got a razor's edge. I got to say, Alan, you could speak to this one. Look at that. What a tour. There's the tour program. Is that beautiful or what? Come on. I can back. This is a heavy metal album. I mean, ACDC, they're rock and roll band. They'll tell you that themselves. I mean, hey, what are you doing? No, but this is a comeback album for them. You know, Malcolm's back in the band after taking time off to get sober. You know, is it their best? No, there's some filler on there. But I mean, just the opening songs, right? You got money talks and thunderstruck that you hear at every sport event now. You know, razor's edge, of course. A lot of good deep tracks, too, as well. And I mean, razor's edge, right? Chris laid on drums, no Phil Rudd or Simon Wright this time around, I should say. And it was a bit of a comeback album. But it's also the first signs I was seeing of the legend of ACDC became more important than the actual substance of the albums. You know, everybody's like, well, you got to get it. It's ACDC and all the younger generations are picking up on it. And it's like, oh, yeah, ACDC, of course, they're great. And it's like, you know, no, there are previous albums up to that blow up your video and fly on the wall, they weren't that great. And it's like the legend started overcoming the actual substance of the album. So but again, a great comeback album deserves to be on the list. Look, five million albums sold. Album number two on the US Billboard and four in the UK. I mean, you know, thunderstruck. Again, no matter how it's money talk, the razors never liked it. I never liked any of it. Number four hundred thirty one in the Bible of the top five hundred albums, Martin Poppins, Todd, never, never. I like. Thunderstruck the back and black record. I like high voltage. I like that other the stuff off of that record does zero for me. Like nothing, nothing. I would have never put it on this list. Jesus. Sorry, angry list, Alan. Whenever, whenever Thunderstruck, like when that would come on, I'd be like, I would change it. But I love his voice on the back and black album and on Scott on the older stuff. But too much Daffy Duck. Is that what you're saying? Too much Daffy Duck vocals on Thunderstruck. Is it just too much, too much strain here? It's just, I don't know, man. It's the ACDC is a phenomenal band. You know, I mean, they're they're simple. And they rock, you know, but I would have put Alice. I'm going to do one honorable mention early because I got more. I would have definitely put Alice in chains. But are you really, are they really metal? It's a good album. Was Little Caesars, Little Caesar. Were they? I mean, come on. I'm not saying they're not a good band. And it's I'm not guessing. How about this, how about this to be fair? Number 10 ACDC, that record is not metal at all. This is a metal record. Look, it's got like lightning on it. It's got like steel on it. If it's got lightning on the cover, it's got steel. It's like metal. Again, I always go back to the Bible. It's in the Bible. Come on, I want to know everybody's watching ACDC on the list or not. Is that record on the list? It is. Number 431 out of the top 500 albums. It's got to be then. There you go. Was Little Caesar on that list? No, no, no, no. What about the other one? The first one you I mentioned? Oh, I told you, Kings of the Sun. Five or five people. How about this? How about we put the Kings of the Sun and Alice in Chains as as as Co number 10s? There you go. Co number 10s. Or we could put Little Caesar and Alice in Chains as Co number eights. All right. Just to be fair. Co number eights. That Alice, listen, the Alice in Chains, they toured on the Clash of the Titans tour with Slayer. Yeah. OK. And I'm not saying their their music is metal because they toured with Slayer, but let's put it in there. You know, let's let's put on our night chain 90 hat and put things in the perspective. Alice in Chains was fucking genre defining. We all know they were. They sold a ton of records. They they were. That was the beginning of something massive. OK. We would be opening up for Alice in Chains if we did a show right now. OK, so and they had, you know, that was a new sound. It was it was, you know, genre defining. Somebody's saying, please don't smoke. I haven't spoken for 30 years. My lung feels great. He's building up a resistance to the nuclear holocaust that's coming. Yes, I smoke, everybody. I smoke. I smoke when I record on the albums, too. See the tricks of singing. We're learning the mysteries behind great voices right here. Ronnie James, Dio Smoked, Pavarotti Smoked, some of the best singers that you guys love that I probably know personally. A lot of them smoke. It's OK. Sorry, Todd doesn't bother me. I used to smoke. I used to smoke cigarettes. I don't drink. I've never been drunk in my life. I've never smoked weed. Yeah, I'm a good boy. I just, you know, I smoke cigarettes, whatever. That's OK. Let's get to number five. Something of this top 10 list has led Todd to smoke. OK, all right. I'm going to do. We have a co. We have a co. Alison Chains at number eight, along with Little Cesar number eight. So there's a co number eight was a co number eight. We lost track already. Just we're in number five now. We're going to go ahead to Todd. Go ahead. Todd, this is yours. This is your baby right here. All right. Do you remember what it is? Yeah, I'm looking at the list. All right. All right, I'm putting it up on screen as we speak. And Tara Cowboys from hell. All right. Now, I'm sorry, but when a lot of metal was kind of getting buried by the grunge thing, this was a band flying the flag, kicking ass, and little did they know they were going to be the biggest thing in the world. Like corn, they came out with a sound. You know, when you listen to Phil and Selma, I mean, he was doing very aggressive singing, but he also or, you know, but he was also what song is it? Heresy or something. You listen to the high screams, the end of cemetery gates. I mean, he had great vibrato. It sounded like I was so killer. Still, I still love that record. And it was brand new and groundbreaking. That definitely belongs on the list. All right. And yeah, I love every single song on that record. I know Alan was new to Pantera. Honestly, that was the first time I heard Pantera. I'd listening to this preparing for the show. Man, it's something, revelation, like you said, groundbreaking at the time. And it really led the way for everything that followed. Martin Popov's book, by the way, this came in at number 60 out of the top 500 in Martin Popov's book. And he calls it the most genre defining album since Metallica's killed them all. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm going to tell you something. I'm like Alan, I was never really a Pantera fan, maybe because we're sort of like six years older than you. That was more of your, you know, that was more your teenage years, Versailles teenage years. You know what I mean? That Pantera came out in 1990, right? You're probably 16. How old were you? Me? Yeah, yeah, 16. Yeah, kind of like that five year difference, though. That's the Pantera years. I know as the guys who are about five years younger than me, they all love Pantera. And it's fire, you know, it's fine enough. I mean, they were the big band back then, right? Are they metal? I don't know. I don't know. I guess they are because metal kept evolving and changing, right? Southern Groove metal. What do you want to call it? You asking me? Yeah, I'm asking you. What type of metal it is? Yes. I don't know, man. It's it's it has like some classic metal elements. It has thrash. It has that. But they created this like southern metal groove sound that, you know, and there's there's not to plug my own record, but there's riffs on my record that Craig plays like hellbound and down or like during the verses. Total Pantera. You know, wow. Super Pantera inspired riffs all throughout there. So yeah, I mean, they kind of cross a lot of different areas of metal. But but you know what? Nobody that I heard of sounded that brutal other than like death bands, you know, that were, you know, doing full on gutter rolls. Nobody sounded like he did. Now every band under the sun tries to sound like Phil and Salmo. It's so fucking boring and actually strange enough. If you listen to anthrax, John Bush era, that's what they're going at. Like that's the sound that they're taking. I wouldn't say stealing, but I was saying there's a vibe of a lot of Pantera in their music and strange enough, this was before Grunge became big right in 1991, I believe, right? Allen, 91 was Grunge, right? I think so. Did you say so, Jim? It was 91. That's when Nevermind came out. But even Allison Chains, they predated the Big Grunge movement, right? They wanted to do something that was definitely their own and not sound like everybody else and they definitely succeeded with this album. Yeah, 1.5 million copies sold and genre defining. I might not be a big fan of this album, but I can respect the people who are because definitely influence generations of bands. Hey, hey, real quick. So he says, I love when Todd mimics the music. That's analog kid. Listen, I have my I have my we have me and Craig. We have our own language when we do, when we write music. And as a drummer, you know, I'll I'll do like, you know, that you know, the triplets or got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, you know, good, good. Yeah, if I talk the part to him, he knows if I'm palm muting the guitar, if it's open, you know, and I have a friend. Even you guys have been together forever, right? You guys started your first I have a friend named Jay, Jason Gullick. And still to this day, every once in a while, we'll text each other and he'll go, he'll type W-A-A-A-D-U-G. He'll go like, like a riff and I'll go and I'll do I'll type out like a riff. And he always laughs at that. But yeah, it's helpful when when we're songwriting, I can tell him right on the phone, he knows exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. Oh, real quick, real quick. Jimmy and Alan, somebody asked, is this a crap, let me find it. Somebody asked if this was a top 10 metal albums of 90 or a metal voice top 10. This is a metal voice top 10. Because we're picking it, we're picking it. Yeah. Well, we like to think that we are the kings of and I'm still getting chastised by this one chick about smoking. I can't believe you're doing that. Like it's the worst thing in a day back in the day. That was pretty rock and roll. That is your rebel, your rebel, Todd. Everybody's in your business. All right, here we go. Here we go. I'm a look, I'm a rebel, Todd. Look, no tattoos. I'm a rebel. Yeah. Actually, you're you stand out now because you don't have them. I don't have tattoos. Good. Yeah, no tattoo, Alan, you neither. I don't have any tattoos. All right. Actually, I do have one right here. Look, can you see it? Is it there? Look at that. They missed the vein. You got a Hickey crazy. Isn't that crazy? Oh, they missed the vein. That sucks. Yeah. So it's like a tattoo. It'll go away. Temporary. Temporary. All right, number, number four on. You know, OK, what do we have? Number four. OK, here we go. Here we go. Now we're going into the terrain of Todd Latorre. Here we go. And no brainer, actually. Number four. Queen's Reich, Queen's Reich. Alan, there it is. I got put it on. You know what I realized after I look at it? Here's my ticket. Tuesday, the 29th of October, nineteen ninety one right there. The Empire Tour and twenty three dollars and fifty cents. You got to love it. Twenty three dollars and fifty cents to see the Queen's Reich headline tour for the Empire album. Yeah. So as you're munching along there, Todd. I guess we're close to supper time, right? Yeah. OK, I'll talk a little bit here. So ninety two supper there. Number ninety two out of the top five hundred here with Martin Bob off. Yeah, they won a Grammy for this for or actually they're nominated for a Grammy for silent acidity, right? Fourth record. That song. Yeah, I believe sold around four million copies as a single. Yeah, they were called the Pink Floyd of metal at that time. What are the guys thinking about that, Todd? Like, I mean, you know, we're listening to it. Queen's Reich that we know always doing something different every album. A great follow up to Mind Crime. They didn't want to do Mind Crime too and they did something completely different. I think it's a great album. And what are the guys thinking at the time being called like the Pink Floyd of metal? That's an honor. I mean, you know, they, you know, this is again just the stories that I've heard. But I mean, as a fan, when I got that record, I couldn't wait to get the new record and I put it in. And my first opinion was I was disappointed because I wanted like right when it started, like I'm into the first, you know, minute. I wanted a follow up to Mind Crime or something along the warning lines or, you know, I was into that sound. But I got to tell you, the songwriting is so good on that record. A great song is a great song, even though, you know, they the band is definitely not tried to stick to one sound like Iron Maiden, for example. That's that's I would say it's an asset and a liability. There's a very fine line. When you reach a certain status where, you know, it's like it's like if you have a restaurant and you are known for certain dishes and then all of a sudden you start throwing in some fusion weird dishes that people they they they expect a certain flavor and you say, well, I'm the cook. I want to make whatever I make. That's fine. But customers may walk out. So I sonically one of the best recordings ever, ever done. Every every I was big into, again, cars and car audio and every sound, you know, car audio place, they, you know, they were using Peter Collins. Peter Collins, right? Rush. He also did Rush, too. Yeah, it's got that rush sound. I'm sure they're looking. Yeah, they were, you know, a lot of those sound guys were using that to tune their PA, you know, to test everything and get it had all the frequency ranges. It was so clean and clear. It was amazing and all the songs were great. Is that a metal record? Not at all. But yeah, it's it's it is such an amazing record and the album sales, you know, were multi platinum. And by the way, when they were on the hysteria tour and Eddie and Michael told me that they were getting ready to be taken off of that tour because mine crime wasn't doing so hot. People just didn't kind of get it. Then they released. They released. Soundless editing. No, no, they released the videos on MTV. It blew up. Then Empire came and then all the mine crime sales, they told me even shot up higher when they went on the second tour for mine crime. They did mine crime. They did empire. Then they came back again and did the mine crime tour. Right. Right. Yeah, but I saw that tour and I think suicidal tendencies was the opener for that tour where I where I saw them on that. I love suicidal tendencies. You can't bring me down. You can't bring me down. He's such a I love his mood. I again, it was for me, it was a two for one on that tour because they did their out with the songs and they wrote a madness off of the warning and then they went into the whole mine crime. But it was the empire tour. So we had the great songs for empire, but they did the whole mine crime album as well. So it was just a big plus to see that for me, which was the first headlining tour because they opened for Ozzie and the rage for order tour. And then I like in mine crime, I don't even remember them touring actually. So yeah, it was like back to what you were saying. And I got to say that this is probably the least metal album on this list next to Alan's little Caesar and was the other one called the Kings of the Sun Full Frontal. So when you look at this album, it's not even as metal as scorpions. It's not as metal as when you go to your local record store, King Diamond is the most metal album on this list. When you go to your local record store, you're not going to find Cree's right in the rock section. You're going to find them in the metal section. And that album is going to be there in the metal section. So we can debate this all you want. But 1990, these guys were metal. All right. You know, but I want to know, Todd, what was the feeling from the guys? OK, I mean, like you said, they had so much success with this. Grammy selling like crazy. And you know, like you said, my crime, they almost got thrown off a tour because it just, you know, it's one of my favorite albums. But at the time it was kind of hidden. So the follow up albums, like how do you follow up an empire? Because it just seemed like that's that's where the drop off happened. What did the guys think about the following albums after? I know that they toured for, I think, a year and a half or, you know, pretty much solid on that. And, you know, you're raking in the box. And again, this is me. I'm not I don't want people to think like, who's this? Is this Jack off talking like he was a part of it? I just have insight because of what the guys have told me, because I've asked the same questions you do, like, damn, what was that like? You know, tell me if that must have been amazing. And, you know, I ask questions because I'm curious, you know, and and they were like, from what I understand, you know, they just kind of went their separate ways and they came home from the road and decompressed and spent time with their families and, you know, live nor do their thing and just burn out, burn out. So then it comes time for promised land. And look, the shit I'm saying you guys can find on YouTube. There's a promised land, little documentary. Jeff talks about it. The guys talk about it. But here's the thing. And Alan, just to answer your question, it's Ben here who said grunge happened because after 90, 91 is when Urbana took off and everything started going, you know, metal wise started dying, you know, it was just the market. Yeah, that's right. But I mean, when you you build up after almost, you know, almost a decade to get to the point of empire. And then it's just like the drop off. But now all the bands are dropping off. They're dropping the flies. Yeah, but not everybody had the success of it. It's like this. You're part of this big record company and the market is going this way. So you're throwing all your advertising money that way. Then the market's going this way. They go, OK, sorry, guys, we're going to throw all our money here on smashing pumpkins, you know, and then suddenly you're left hanging, you know, hanging out to drive, you know, during the grunge era. That's what happened. Yeah, well, hold on. Well, I'm going to read some comments here, Todd. Yeah, that's what I'm I'm replying to somebody. But OK, OK, but what I was going to see and not that what I was going to say was. You're saying, oh, grunge happened and this and that. But, you know, there was you're right that a lot of bands were dropping off. And when you do mind crime, that's hail is one of the best concept records of all time alongside the wall or something like that. And then you come up with empire like, bam, this big explosive thing. You know, how do you even come close to that? Well, that's another thing, too. So people people will people will will criticize, you know, oh, the band died when the Garmo left. But, you know, look, there's there's a lot of records on there that, you know, I wasn't keen keen on that he was a part of and nothing against him because he's a brilliant songwriter just talking stylistically. But people say, oh, you know, what Todd does will never compare to mind crime, for example, listen, Queens right never did another mind crime with the original members, they got lightning in a bottle at the right time. And it was amazing. And and and, you know, most bands will never. A, get big. Most bands let alone write something that's hailed as great as that record. And then to follow it up with a totally different sounding record that's a successful as empire. So then comes Promised Land. I'm sure you're in a different headspace. I don't think it's very good record. But, you know, as an artist, you don't want to paint the same painting. You don't want to write the same sounding stuff all the time. You know, you for your own soul, you have to create what you feel. And if the fans like it, that's a bonus. But you always have to be true to yourself first. And that's why some bands just, you know, I think they're a slave to their own sound because they know that's what sells and that's what their audience expects. So I think you have to be true to yourself. But also, you know, you've got to sprinkle in some stuff that, you know, the audience is probably going to want to hear. Now, yeah, yeah. Todd, I have a request the next time you guys go on tour. Can you please play Hand on Heart from the Emperor album? That's my favorite song. It's my personal favorite of mine. I love that. Yeah, I love that. So just for Vinny, when you're in, I don't know where Vinny is, but when you're in that town, unless you're Vinny, that's just for you, dude. Yeah, I've told Eddie and Michael. It's a great song. We talk about it like, man, let's let's do Hand on Heart for Vinny, man, for Vinny. Yeah, yeah. And there's some stuff that I've actually said, hey, what about this? And and I can't remember the songs that may have been one. I don't think it is. But sometimes they'll say to me, you know, we did that and it just didn't translate that well. Like we played Resistance on the one of the last tours. People, you know, people seem to like it, but it's interesting how a song that you hear in the car or on your CD, you're like, yeah, I love that. But then when you're on stage performing it and you think it's going to go over well and you're doing it right and the audience just isn't really giving you the feedback that you anticipated. So you'll try that for a week and then you'll go, I don't think people are digging it, but maybe we take it out of the set again. And, and, you know, I don't know. Yeah. All right. Worth mentioning. So Vinny, we try. I will bring it up to the guys. No promises. Yeah, I'll bring I personally, for Vinny, I will talk to the guys and say, hey, we'll get back to you. We'll get back to you. Groove says, Todd is honest and insightful. I love that. Thank you. All right, love input and appreciate him asking and sharing the questions. I would want to ask if I were hanging out with the band. Good. That's some good positive feedback, Todd. All right, here we go. What are we at? Number three, Jim. Number three. Oh, here's here is this. This is next to King Diamond. This is another blistering album. This is killer. This is it. Look at this album cover. Does this reek Satan or some sort of craziness or some dark, deep? I don't know. It's just it scares me. That album cover is a beautiful album cover. It's really cool. And there you go. So I saw that tour. It was so awesome. Yeah, that was a great record. It's it's it's good to test the time today. You could put it on and the magic is still there. The sound is still the drumming. What do you think about the drumming on that album? It's killer. I mean, like War Ensemble, you know, I remember. They're farewell tour. They're final retire in that tour. We played Bach and so we're there in Germany. You know, 100,000 people and myself and my friend Eric. And who else was with us? It was like one or two other guys, maybe our stage manager or whatever. Anyway, we went to the tower where the sound guy is in the lighting guy. And we watched it from way above the crowd right in the front. And they played, you know, War Ensemble. I'm 99 percent sure they play because I've seen them play a few times. But yeah, for sure. I mean, dude. Oh, it's so good. Dave Lombardo's drumming course. That was with Paul Bostap, I think. But that on the live tour. But Dave Lombardo's drumming, if you can, if you can learn, you know, Angel of Death or Warren, you know, that's that's fast. That's fast double bass in his hands. Or, you know, he's an amazing drum. It's amazing, you know, it's produced by Rick and it's so it went gold in the United States and Canada. I'm sure it surpassed that today. But it is definitely a genre defining album and it's sold. So it hits all the ticks and people love it to this day. They're critically acclaimed and the love for it today. It's still, you know, I know Alan's not the biggest Slayer fan. I love Slayer. What are what is the land in the book, Alan? What is the land on the book? Number 28, number 28, number 28 in the book. A little bit, a little bit back to the back to the basics album compared to the previous, previous one, there's a little bit more doom and gloom. And again, you know, that's Slayer, man. Yeah, you know, somebody up here named Manard Mans says dead skin mask. I love that. And live and go dead skin mask. You know, but they had like those little kids. How I've waited for you to come, you know, you know, please stay away. But you hear this like little child. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sounds in there. I mean, it's it was awesome. Yeah, I tell you my quick little story about Slayer was an interview. Gary Holt at the time who was, you know, with Paul also who was replacing, you know, this is like the, I don't know, this is like the Anthrax Death Angel tour. Maybe it was the same tour you saw. So we're there. Me and my son were going on the bus to do the interview. And he goes, hey, guys, how you doing? Yeah, sure. Come on board. Yeah, me and go on the bus. We mean, my son are sitting there. We're kind of the guys are going to come here any minute now. Don't you fucking touch anything on this bus? I'll be back in one minute. Then he left. He wanted to scare us. So that's that's what happened. My son was like, who did you who did you interview? It was Gary Holt and Paul Bustoff. Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But they didn't want me to touch anything on the bus. Touch anything. He screamed at us like we're just like like you're like you're going to touch anything anyway. Yeah. But I guess what what fans actually do when they have any sort of access to any sort of a space of an artist. They take things, right? They take things and I guess Slayer and let me tell you something about Slayer. You know this first hand, they've got a following like a cult following hardcore. Kerry King is like you could see this entourage of people and this wave of people surrounding him. It's just it's just this is like a cult, you know. Yes, this queen. I don't know how you pronounce it, radiant, whatever the on the comments. Slayer analog says, says hate Slayer sounds like noise. And that's probably you're not a musician because you know, there are the rhythm guitar playing. You know, in the in the alternate picking and all the stuff that's going on with the chords and that stuff is not easy to play. So even though it might sound like noise to you. It's there's a lot. There's a lot of talent or a lot of talent. And even if you listen to the singing, it's aggressive, but he's singing in a melody, you know, there's always this melody and is and is and the lyrics. It's rhythmic. It's rhythmic. It's rhythmic. That's the word. If there's a lot of rhythmic rhythm in his in his phrasing is great. Yeah. All right. Here we go. Can anybody guess what the next one is? I just want to be noted that this would have been my number one. OK, noted. Alan noted. Todd, do you agree this should be number two before we announce it? Let me look at the list. OK, I would have put this higher up. I would I would have. Yeah. So I butchered it. Oh, you know, well, we know, you know, our mobile killer. They're great. But I mean, you're noticing, Todd, Jimmy's got last veto on all these lists. We submit them and Jimmy has the last veto. He's able to. I didn't want to be on the list, but he wanted to create controversy, so he puts it on the list so we can have controversial. And I take the hit for it. I send a list to you. I send a list of you and I grab them and I go, OK, Alan likes to spend to try to mix it all up. Everybody's changing it. We're changing it. He's happy. All right. When you already said to me, the last thing will get rid of Val's genes. Get rid of because I said I never heard of seven and 10. Hey, listen, when you announce the number two slot, I want Alan to look in the the metal Bible there and see where it ranks. I know. Oh, here we go. Hey, but wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We're two against one, Jimmy. I say we should change number one to put to a number to a number one. OK, OK, we do that. All right. Fair enough. Look, I'm a fair person. You're being entertained. Dazzle the numbers and play with everything, but I'm fair. I'm fair. OK, here we go. Number two changing changes his mind. There we go. Painkiller. Painkiller. You know, again, I would have thought this was number one. As a whole record. Yeah, I agree with that. This guy's was genre defining. No, strange enough, the sound didn't even sell that much back in the day. It was a comeback. I think the one I think the one two tracks on the album were like standouts. Touch of evil. Yeah, and Painkiller. Yeah, but you know what, Painkiller, just the song Painkiller. Any time a metal band plays a song, they always refer to, you know, it sounds like Painkiller. Oh, it's a Painkiller kind of vocal. Oh, it's Painkiller kind of riff. Yeah, Painkiller is the from the 90s to today has been the genre defining. I hate a typical another shameless plug. When we did the court, when we did the chorus, what song is it? Hellbound and down. Yes. And he's a beautiful. Look at this, look at this, the liner notes. Yeah, it's got pictures. So, so here, look, everybody. Yeah, so listen, when we did track number Hellbound and down, I think it's track three. Anyway, I said during the chorus, it's kind of Painkiller ish. Exactly, you know, because I was doing these high. Can you face the fear that we've all been told? I'm a hit of the octave higher than that. And it was very double bass. It was Painkiller ish and I actually said that to Zeus. I go, there's a think Painkiller a little bit. And so, yeah. OK, so, Scott, sorry, Todd, I want you to put on your drumming hat. What the Scott Travis bring to the band on this album in your estimation? Oh, wow. Yeah. Say that again, because you're cut out. Oh, sorry. You as a drummer. Yeah. Taking this album with Scott Travis, especially the opening track, what did he bring to the new? I would call it a new Judas Priest with this. Oh, man. Well, not only is he going, you know, then he's going during the during the chorus, you know, he's going. He's doing triplets. So instead of, you know, this is he's going, you know, he's doing triplets. And you just didn't hear that really on Judas Priest stuff. So him playing that. And then, you know, those those vocals were just your pure Halford metal shrill. You know, it was just it it it encompassed it's the epitome of when you think metal. It's pain killer. It's painkiller. Oh, can we do a painkillerish type of song? Kiki does a new song. Sounds like painkiller. Judas Priest does a new song on firepower. You know, that one sounds like painkiller. Yeah, it sounds like it's a highly referenced song for a few things. That's what I'm going back to Todd's comment earlier. When you look at the album as a whole. Bingo, you know, I think defenders of the faith is a much stronger album. Well, same here. But I think when you look back at it from today, painkiller, health patrol, all guns blazing. I will say this, the track painkiller is evil. Hey, the track painkiller, in my opinion, is heavier metal than any one song on the on the record. We're going to say is number one, but agreeing with Alan as an entire body of work, in my opinion, the one that we're going to say is is a better for me. For my ears, it's a better overall experience as a listener. OK, and the guitar work. I don't think you can really compare Marty Friedman to a lot of guys who don't spoiler alert, spoiler alert. Well, you know, listen, listen real quick. You have a handful of virtuosos, right? Glenn and KK wrote very memorable melodic leads. They weren't. I don't remember hearing like arpeggio sweeps and a more technical like Paul Gilbert or Ingve, something like that. I think they're coming from a different record, these kind of players. So when I bring in the guitar elements, you know, I'm I'm thinking about the virtuosity of of everything in its totality. I'm thinking about the band. Like I'm looking at it like Travers, you know, Rob Halford, KK. I mean, I've seen them live and these guys are amazing. They're amazing. It's incredible. They're well rounded musicians. You don't need the sweeping guitar solos. You don't need it. No, you don't you don't need it. You don't need it. But again, there are some things where it's like, wow, that's a standout track on a record versus, you know, all right. There's about this saw me and Alan had the great pleasure of interviewing Chris Tangeritas before he died. And we did a whole painkiller thing and he just kind of broke it down for us and, you know, how he recorded the album and the ideas behind it. And Chris, you know, he was just walking us through how we, you know, we sort of help Ralph Halford sort of sort of define what the vocal line would have was and, you know, how it just how they built on it. So if anybody wants to check out Painkiller and how it was sort of put together, Chris, I like to see that. I haven't seen that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Chris was a great guy. Fortunately, we never did a second show and we said we were going to and he had passed away just the, you know, like Max Norman, just the stories that these guys could tell and the experiences they had. And I was when I was in Crimson Glory and we were writing a new record. He was somebody that the band was talking with to do that, that new Crimson Glory record. Yeah. But that didn't come to fruition. But yeah, I mean, he's greatly missed, you know, he was a very talented guy. I've seen other interviews with him. And he he was a Greek, a Greek name, but he was living in the UK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So number twenty six in the Bible, Martin Bob, Bob Starfer, Painkiller comes in at number twenty six. Wow. And I just want to see as a band, Judas Priest here, hold on, where it fits in their catalog, screening for vengeance, British Steel and Painkiller comes in third in their discography in the top 500 albums voted by the fans years and years ago. So the show would not be complete without Martin Popoffs. Top 500 metal albums of all time. The Bible. Yeah. All right. Here we go. This is this is what everybody's been waiting for. What and when I say this is not the top ten metal voice metal albums. No, this is me and Alan and you. We define it for a generation. People are going to look back at this show and they're going to say these were the top ten albums of all time. It's not statistical. This is nineteen ninety. Nineteen ninety. Nineteen ninety. Come on. Of all. Nineteen ninety. It's not statistical, but we know enough to make it appear like it's statistical. Here we go. All right. You ready? Ready for this? Let's do it. Let's do it. Here we go. The album that Alan and Todd picked for number one. We all voted Jimmy. Oh, hold on. Well, yeah, when it came down to JP bias, when it came down to the two, two, that was what we went for. But what I say, that was the ultimate top of nineteen ninety ever. I would probably put Cowboys from hell at number one. And I really screwing things up here. You got out voted by me and Alan, but that's OK. That's OK. Somebody else wrote that in here. Jim, I'm looking at the comments. Todd, somebody would agree with you. They said Cowboys from hell should be number one as well. Totally. And somebody's saying a vicious rumors is an honorable nineteen ninety album mention and I love vicious rumors. I know the guy's killer band. And number one. Here we go. Number one. Number one in our hearts. Number eleven. The highest charting album by this group in the top five hundred coming in at number eleven out of five hundred. Number eleven. And we all know that Master of Puppets is number one, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We already passed 1980. What was it? I mean, in the Bible. In the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. I have where's my where's my mega death here? Number one. Mega death. Rust in peace for those who haven't guessed it by now. This guy here, it's it's sort of here a countdown and rest in peace together. It's sort of like a remastered remix, I believe. I think it was. I can't remember. Hey, check this out. Check this out. I'm in my I'm in my my my studio here. He is speak speaking of. Thank you. Look at look at what I have. I've had this. I've had this metal heart. Mega death. The metal except metal heart. Strange enough. Oh, autographed autographed Nick Manza. Nick Manza. Yeah. Marty Friedman. That's the countdown to extinction one. But it's a great lineup. And yeah, just thought I should have a very cool. I'll give you I'll give you my, you know, mega death. OK, peace bells. You know, that was always fun to get guys going at the at the beer cake parties, you know, and great video. But, you know, the thrashing, I was kind of wheezing out. So years, decades later, I said, you know what? I'm going to go back and revisit mega death. And I started buying all their albums and listening to this one today. Or yesterday, I should say, I don't have this in my collection and it's just, oh, my God, holy wars, the punishment do. I mean, just that song alone beats anything that Metallica did for a decade, as far as I'm concerned. And then Hangar 18, they talk about a one, two punch to start the album. And, you know, Tornado or Souls, that that solo is so perfect. I mean, you know, I so I got back into mega death like decades later. And Dave's writing the lyrics, the musicianship like Todd was saying on this album. It's unbelievable. Like, you know, and there's always that debate. We've had it on the show many times, Metallica or Megadeth. And even Dave, I think I read an interview came out yesterday. You know, Dave's happy with the way everything turned out with him being fired and everything and rightfully so, because his career, as far as I'm concerned, eclipses Metallica. I mean, with with the albums like this and the musicianship and of course, bringing Marty Friedman into the into the group here was just phenomenal for this run of the band. So I did an I did an interview with Dave Ellison and the guitarist for Volbeat. We were doing like a it was three of us on this interview. And Dave had some really Ellison had some really interesting stories about working on that record and how so much of it was pieced together and edited to make the songs what they became. Like, literally, they were editing drum parts and cutting and, you know, this was with tape and they were is a really interesting. I'll have to find it and I'll send it to you. You can check out the stories that he talks about making that record and how it was just literally just so much of that was just cut and pieced together. It wasn't like they wasn't like the drums were all played in one shot. Literally, they were they were just in sections and they kind of figured out how to get everything together. But you as a drummer, Todd, you're listening like Holy Wars, let's say. Yeah. I mean, what do you think of the drumming on this album? I used to play that record in full all the time. I mean, pretty much lick for lick and it's a lot of fun to play. The next drumming is awesome on that. What you know what I love about it is for that time, it kind of pushed the envelope because now everything is so extreme. And it's almost like you have some intricate intricate drumming, but not like over the top where the double bass is going, you'd never heard roll. He wasn't that kind of drummer, but he wrote great drums in relation to the bass parts, the guitar parts, the vocal. I think he really crafted drums listening for the sake of the song versus some drummers will just simply overplay because that's an opportunity for a fill and they're not listening. Well, maybe the guitar is doing something and you don't want to walk on that fill or maybe the guitar is doing something and you want to emphasize the fill. So you'll play if you were going there, there, there, there, there, there. Maybe you go to break it, break it, break it, break it, right? Instead of over, you know, you do things to compliment other aspects of the music. He played with ears like a songwriter, not just a drummer, and I love the drumming on that record. Yeah, you know, but I guess the weakest link on is the vocals. But, but because aggressive, they kind of fit. But he's got that, he's got that, you know, it's like Lemmy, it's like you either like that and you and you get the it's about the attitude right it's not about it's not about how great of a technical singer somebody is in my opinion. You know, I mean Freddie Mercury is hailed as one of the greatest singers ever and he technically probably was, I'm not a fan of Queens music I don't own a queen queen queen record. The music never really did anything for me, but they're amazing songwriters it's just not my cup of tea. His voice doesn't do anything for me, but he's incredible at his craft. Same thing with Dave, you know, he's got a certain tone and he's got an attitude and a vibe that it's very distinguishable and you know, get give it or take it, take it or leave it you know that's like Johnny Cash you know there are singers that maybe aren't the best technical proficient They connect they just connect with people they connect and there's an attitude there's an attitude that goes with the music. Jim where how many albums in the mega that's discography I think Dave's voice is pretty much accepted by this point. Yeah, isn't the strongest part of the band I would say no, but you know this it was it was it wasn't even an issue was a non issue. All right, I want to know okay let's go into honorable mentions what do we leave out here what what could have Todd put in that Alan didn't want and Alan wanted but Todd didn't want but Jimmy really didn't want but he didn't want. I put in one I only put in one album. That's all. Little Caesar and the other one. No, the little rest of the hidden. You just wanted to create controversy. I would I would like to mention souls of black by one of my all time favorite bands Testament. Okay, there you go. There you go. A lot of people were writing about that. There's a death angel I'm surprised you didn't put death angel Jim. Well, if I would have put it then everybody said why are you putting death angel act three. Then there's that. Frank Frank just said annihilate or never neverland I was on the list and then you guys said no no let's not put that on the list because you guys don't know the album that's why but if you heard the album you would like it. But it's okay I'm good with it I'm all right. I'm okay with it. You know maybe we do a top 15. No, we have to stick to 10. You got shut down. Yeah, I'm reading another comment. No time that's not happening. Queen Radiant says hate Testament worse than Slayer. But Queen's Reich is this person's favorite band. That's, I mean, so you have somebody that just doesn't like vocalize vocalizations that aren't operatic and pretty and clean. That's kind of what I'm getting from that. Okay. Yeah, no for sure. Alan, what album would have you put on that is not on the list. I did you put it on the list. I don't have anymore. Little London choir boys, a little bit of what you fancy. I'm going to get trashed for that. Oh my gosh, it's like the spaces. Oh my gosh. All right, what other albums would you have wanted on? Well, the Souls of Black, Alice in Chains. The Souls of Black is a pretty hard listen, right? The production is pretty rough. On what? On Testament. It's pretty rough. It's a pretty rough album to listen to. It's tough, man. You've got better albums. I think today they're cracking out their best work. But anyway, so if that's what you wanted, that's great. What else was there that you? Jimmy asked the trash. Let me look. Let me look. Okay, all right, all right. Let's see what else. What's your hidden gem? No, that's wrong. That's Jimmy. We need 15. No, that's not happening. Guys, Annihilator, Never Never Lines. Their second album. There you go. This is Canadian Thrash at its best. Jeff Waters, you've probably met, right Todd? Incredible, incredible guitars. So I say hats off to Annihilator as well as Death Angel, Act 3, just another great album by a great band. Thrash it all around. Probably not as popular as all these albums, but definitely worth a mention. Yeah, I'm looking through the list to see. Well, you had your Allison chains, but we already put that on, right? I mean, there's a lot of other bands on here with albums that I really liked, but they weren't like metal. Well, Ice Earth is on the list, is here. See, that's the first one, I believe. Flotsam and Jetsam. Oh, Jimmy, I love those guys. Listen, I love Flotsam and Jetsam, but I got to say their third album, is it When the Storm Comes, is that it? Yes. The production lost me. The production was just, was all over the map. I love the band. I love so many other albums, especially the last three and the first two, but they lost me on the production. That's why I didn't put it there. It's not that I don't love the band. I love the band. These guys are like kick ass. There's another one that I just saw that, oh, Striper Against the Law. I love that record. That's a killer record. So there's another honorable mention for sure. Suicidal tendencies. Sanctuary. Yeah, sanctuary is great too. Suicidal tendencies, lights, camera, action. I don't know the record. You can't bring me down. Isn't that the one? Oh, I know the song. I don't know the album though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, creator, coma of souls. That's from Gabe. I think that's a great one. If you're into creator the early years. I think Danzig will release an album that year too. Yeah, Danzig too, which a lot of people like. I'm not a big fan, but yeah, sure. Great. Guys, give us some more before we drop off. Give us some more honorable mentions that you liked that we didn't mention. Yeah. Somebody said creator. Somebody said Brian May is a great musician though. Obviously. Yes. Nobody's disputing that. Nobody's disputing that. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not criticizing queen. I'm just saying sometimes you can have it an amazing technically proficient artist, but something just doesn't resonate with you the same way as somebody else that maybe doesn't have quite that ability. Kings of the sun. Somebody saying entombed. Do you lock up the wolves? I never liked lock up the wolves. I never liked that record. It was a hard listen as well for myself. Some good stuff, but not the best. Right. And I think that's it guys. Somebody asked about Bathory. I wasn't a fan. So I don't really know the record. I've listened to some Bathory, but particularly not my cup of tea on that sanctuary, which, which album was it back then? They didn't have that. Yeah. I'll tell you, it was. It's here. Yeah. Into the mirror, into the mirror black. Yeah. Into the mirror. Great, great singer, man. Oh yeah. Laurel Dain was. What a great lyricist too. Number 437. And again, this, this book was voted by the fans. It's not modern pop up that came up to 500. It was came up with the fans. So the fans voted. So if you see an arrow Smith pump in there, it's because the fans think that's a metal album. That's right. So Todd, before we let you go, what's happening in your world? What's new? What's, what's exciting? What do you want to get out there and let everybody know? Okay. Besides the last three. Yeah. So, uh, I've got about, we have about 23. Queens, right? Songs. Um, in, in various demo forms. Uh, that we're narrowing down to. X number, you know, half of that or whatever. And, uh, Some songs are, you know, it's, it's shaping up for sure. Um, You know, I think we're just. In my opinion, kind of focusing more on. Just melody, just singable melodies. I'm not so concerned with hitting every high note. I'm not so concerned with hitting every high note. I'm not concerned with, um, I don't think the band is concerned with trying to be so quirky. With songs like bent, for example, on the verdict or, you know, we're just, um, we're just writing. Together in a room. So all these songs. Pretty much were all written from scratch together in a room starting with a riff. Casey would be on drums. And laying down a groove. And we're, we're just, you know, Hey, try this. Oh, what about that? And I would hum something into the mic to get an idea. And, you know, so that's what we're working on. Um, we've got a couple of weeks off until we go back out. For some shows I've been traveling. Oh my gosh. Since July 3rd. Uh, I was looking at my Delta sky miles. I've flown. About almost 70,000 miles since July 3rd. So I've been on an air. We've been on planes like every, every few days and it's just like really tiring. My voice is kind of tired, but I've been recording a lot of vocals and everyone's kind of working on their parts. But also like I called Eddie last night and said, Hey, I'm having trouble on a, on a chorus for this. You know, how, if you have some cool ideas, let me know. And so that's kind of what we're doing. And then our schedule. Um, real quick. We've got some fly dates coming up. Um, we're, we're in Oklahoma, then Illinois. Couple shows in Washington. Kiss, kiss, kiss cruise. Right. Then we do the kiss cruise on the 2019. Through November 3rd. And then, uh, A couple of few shows. We're still in November and then two shows so far for December. And then we've got a whole ground tour that we have routed. And I think we have a done stamp on for next year. And then we'll be doing the scorpions thing. So there's a lot of stuff going on. Um, I'm actually, uh, Craig is starting to write some new songs. And songs for the follow-up album of my solo record. Wow. And then actually have a, I have a handful of songs that are kind of more, uh, melodic death black metal that I want to release. Um, I don't know. Honestly, I don't know if I can release it under a band name. Contractually. Or if it would have to be like under my name, but I still want to throw some band names. Like me and Alan could like pitch you some band names. Like, like, uh, like hungry howies. Vomit son. How do you like that? Vomit son. S-O-N or S-U-N. Son. Like I like S-U-N. Vomit son. Alan, what do you got? King of Tzatziki. Talatori. King of Tzatziki. Yeah. Right. The cover will just be this. You're a master. That's right. That's right. Jair. Hopefully, hopefully we can, uh, hopefully we can get back up to Canada because it's been a long time. Yeah. When you saw us, Alan, with the Scorps, that was the last time we were in Canada. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Frank. That was a great show. Yeah. Frank, where was Queenswright playing in Toronto? Was it the rock pile? Where was it? Frank's watching. I know he's in Toronto. Uh, we, on, on, on our own tour with the Scorps. No, Frank's going to, like he, he watches all the shows in Toronto. So he'll probably know what you guys play. I want to like to know where you played in Toronto. That was my first LaTorre experience. Well, you know what? Yeah. Okay. So you probably did Scorps in Toronto. But you must have come back. Yeah. We played, we played at like a club in, in, in, uh, that was when Glenn Drover got on stage with us and played, take hold of the flame or Queen of the Cecil. Oh. Yeah. But you know, maybe. Alan could sing, take hold of the flame. Alan, go. Todd, come on. Hey, come on. Do it. Maybe, um, You deferred to the master. Yeah. Hey, maybe if we come, what is it like Michigan? Where do we have to be for you guys to, to make it down? Upstate New York, upstate New York. It was down in Massachusetts. Chester. I know that would be too much. We played, we played Verona where that's up. That's kind of, but you know what? I think because of COVID, you, you could have, you know, you could have, you know, you could have, you know, I think because of COVID you, you couldn't, but we can't get into the country. Can't get there. That's right. Yeah. We could fly, but I really don't. Stu, Stu Block says hi, Todd. I don't know if you cut that show. Stu, Stu. Stu was doing all these different, like I think the only thing he wasn't, it was a country of Western album. He had all these, he wanted to do all like a bit like you were saying a little different genres of all these different types of music. So. Oh, you play. There it is. Here in Toronto, 2013, the club was called the Phoenix. Oh, okay. Where did Stu chime in? No, he didn't chime in in this. We just interviewed him. I think that's what he was talking. Yeah. Yeah. He's an awesome guy. And God, that guy's range. I, I, I always tell him like, man, I wish I had your high, high, high rain. Like he's so instantly accessible. But in our interview, Jimmy mentioned that, that your comment to him and he finds you equally as impressive. So you guys have a mutual. We have a bromance. I see the two, two, what do you call it? Not two tremors. That wouldn't work because that's kind of like been done. Right. I'm a bear. I'm a baritone. The two baritones. The two baritones. Yeah. I wonder if Stu's a baritone. I think he's a baritone. He can, he can get some pretty low notes of what I've heard. Yeah. Yeah. So that was called the Phoenix. Okay. The Phoenix. Yeah. You know, Alan, have you ever been to Phoenix? I don't even remember the Phoenix. Yeah. Maybe a headline was the Phoenix. The Phoenix. What is that? Like 2000? Is that a theater? I don't remember. No, I think it was just a, like it just a club. Club. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. Drover comes here. Drover comes here and he does with Tim Ripper Owens. He does a night of metal. Right. Him and his brother come down and they do a few dates and Toronto, Montreal and I don't know if they still do that, but I know they were doing it. They were doing that before the COVID thing hit. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I don't know. But I don't know. I'm not sure I don't know. So, Let me hear you. Alright, that's it guys. Here we go guys. 1990. Yeah. He says it's a large club. Frank. Oh, it is. Frank is still open. I don't even remember like that. Actually, if you go on YouTube and put in, put that in. Tondle. No, Queens right. Tondle, so. Hey. Tondle. Oh, Hey. Everybody. guys, let me tell you about it. Got a lot of sorry. What an only. You know, we live in a very Italian neighbor. It's good. I like that. That's good, Alan. Is that Rodney Dangerfield? I guess it's a mix. Yeah, it's it's like you're you know, just that that Guido, it's the Guido meets. Are there a lot of Italians where you live? Um I mean, we don't have like, like a like a little Italy or a little Caesar. There we go. Little Caesar ready to come back. Me. I got a little Caesar here. We're surrounded by Italians here. We're surrounded by Italians. Yeah, we don't have like New York obviously, you know, has has that but I don't think we really are known for like having an Italian community but I don't know. You don't speak Italian do you? No, I I could some I used to be able to understand a little bit. But no, I don't I don't speak Italian. Your father, you know, was he was he an immigrant son or? No, so no, my it's my great grandparents. No, okay, so you're pretty much American, right? You know, yeah. Well, genetically, I'm I'm from all I'm 99.9% European, you know, from all over. I mean, actually, a big percentage is is actually German. And then the largest percentage I think I have 55% Sicilian 25% German and then Irish. I even have a I don't remember if it was a little bit of Iranian, but there's somewhere around Serbia, Serbia a little bit of Serbia. No, Russian. Russian. My wife is saying no, you don't have. I don't know. Where's your wife? She's in the house. She was letting the dog out. She heard that she's correcting me. I did my I did my my DNA right? Yeah, it's it's all like Baltic. It's it's all there. It's all pretty much but I'm a little Sicilian, a little Sicilian. I'm just a little Sicilian. I didn't know that. That's the rebel. That's well between that and Greek. That's that's where that that fire comes from and a little bit of gypsy. Yeah. Yeah, it's just strange, you know, and these genetic things. My wife did her genetics. Yeah. It was really crazy because her parents did it too. And when you actually get the results, you could see who's related to you and you are 100% from these people. Oh yeah. So that's how pure it was. Like that's how spot on it was. Yeah. Yeah. And the more people do it, the more refined it gets. That's why you might see a little tweak in a percentage because they've they've narrowed something down even more and you know, you know, anyway, all right, we'll let go before he lays another cigarette and gets blasted here. That's the chit chatting a little bit. It's like it's fun. But we're not chit chatting at that time. You know, all right guys. So we're looking forward to 1991. We have to have Todd back. Of course. I swear at some point, we're gonna like Google top metal albums are like 94 and it's not gonna be anything. There's gonna be five. Yeah, it's gonna be like really hard. Yeah. Well, you know, once Nirvana comes around and smashing pumpkins actually, you know what, like, you know what, I let me change that because then you had that whole new metal sound come out and then you had bands like kill switch engage shadows fall you had all those new England bands and then you had corn. So there's a chunk. That's where that's where we lose Alan. That's what I was like. You know, Jim, I can't really make it for the 1993 to 1997. Ice Earth or blind guardian. We're carrying the corn. There you go. All right. I'll take that. All right. Look, all right guys. Stay well. Stay safe. Bye everybody. Thanks for watching. Bye bye. All right guys.