 Welcome to the Toffy TV podcast episode 27 Ped Baz and Stee is in joining us. Remember when the piv used to do this? Good times. Maybe there's only so much XG you can discuss. I think so. He's just been speaking about XG goalkeeping, which is more nonsense. But it backs up your thing. It backs up that Jordan Pickford. It's below goalkeeper who's letting that in. That's more worrying than getting married and rift jeans in a cab. It really is isn't it? I mean Mike worry about that. We've had Morgan Snyddlin playing quite well got married, fell off a cliff. Guilfee Sigarton scoring 15 goals. Got married last summer being horrific this. Now Pickford's getting married in the summer so I'm hoping it has to be. That's not helped. So what we're saying is any personal thing that you do, increase your family or get married. You're not going to remember anyone. This is why when Dom got rid of that Instagram girlfriend. He showed a level of professionalism there, didn't he? There's a lot of energy to expand that. He kept a lot of energy. Which obviously he didn't have before. God knows what Tom Davis has been up to recently. Let's go. Sunday. At least we're smiling. You've got a smile haven't you? We'll talk about those in part too. Obviously it was horrific. It was like, you know when you just think new era, new Everton. Now back to normal Everton. I was guilty of this Sunday. I thought we'd win. Why would you even think that? Of course I've seen. I've said this before. I've seen a lot of Chelsea this season and they are up and down. The difference with seeing a lot of Chelsea games is they weren't playing ever. No, but we've seen them at close quarters of Goddus and I've seen them in a lot of games this season. Some they've been good and others they've been tiring. Remember that teams like Southampton went there, Westam went there and won. So you're just thinking will we play quite well at Arsenal and believe it by missing chances. We've robbed it against United the week before when we'd won the game and United are on a good run. So why wouldn't we go somewhere where we haven't won and actually just things fall into place you know like other teams or it didn't work out that way. I think the thing I took from it was it's easier to kind of cast it off I think when everyone is awful. I think give off your team plays as a good goal and the other half let you down. I think that's harder to take everyone to a man bar on the goalkeeper to be fair. I thought it was terrible at the weekend. It wasn't great at all. I was like you. I got a bit too caught up in the moment probably about I was thinking I said to you 3-1 with Charleston and me and I was like me didn't even start. Maybe other one 3-1. Yeah maybe yeah but I think it was just a I think we all got into this mindset where we thought we're this good team maybe but I think what probably not all of us. No I know what you mean. I'm not in that mindset but I think also what I'm seeing the list of players they have missing as well. Yeah but they still have a good team. I'm not in that mindset at all. I'm not convinced by the 17 to actually go out and win these games and that's like you know I know the week you were a few more of the Arsenal game but I wasn't because I thought that perfectly involved these evident football club is that and that's what we've been doing for years and years and that's the thing we've got to start breaking is if you go to a great game and you play well and you don't win the game and you don't get anything out of it how are you going to go to a place and not play well and get a win and I think you must have been surprised by how bad we were. Not necessarily we lost the game but how badly we performed. I just laughed. Honestly I just laughed because I just felt it in the first ten minutes. We had no energy to us at all. We had absolutely nothing about us. The midfield was just embarrassing and it brings it on to you know how poor we are and how poor we are. Even in the games we've won we've generally relied on with Charleston and Dominic Arvenloon and you know we've had a few like one little one nils and stuff like that during Angelotti Spell. You know the goals we've conceded now is ridiculous how many goals we've conceded recently and again it's something that needs to be addressed and I'm telling you I'm just looking at it thinking hopefully it's still going to get addressed. This is showing them all the problems. This is the reality of it but I'm never going to go somewhere thinking we've got a chance when I don't think we've got a don't I think we've got to play really well and take our chances. I think if you look at the wins we've had on Angelotti we've struggled to get those wins if that makes sense. That's what I mean. If we haven't Like Palace at Home they've been 2-1 and we deserve to win the game but I mean we haven't been convinced. There's a team 22 points clear over that won 13 games by a single goal and games they shouldn't have won. It's not even about winning by a single goal. It's for me it's not about that what I mean is it's about having control of the game and I think we haven't there's not too many games we've had control and this is not a Christian Angelotti by the way. This is the cold hard reality of it isn't it? Is that we're not a great team and until you get a few more players in we've got some variation. What I mean you look at the 18 you said it yourself people are saying oh this plays out and that plays out and yet when I seen the 18 when I was at 1 o'clock I was like they still got a really good side. You know they're a much better squad haven't they? The thing about it is that with all the elements of it good experience, good young players and a few good players in the middle and they have the ability and legs and that's the difference though. They have the ability. Some teams have the ability and Chelsea seems to have the ability is to bring young players in and freshen things up. We are again back in this thing where all there is is the same players being recycled and that's the big problem for everything. At what stage do we get to a situation where it isn't really the circle of crap though because it's difficult isn't it because we've bought a lot of players over the last four years which is things after problem. But now the players here with the issue with the players we've bought but we still want out you know what I mean it's not like we've had someone in it's not like we've got Coleman and Bane starting and they're not at the level. Bane's was great last week when he played by the way and Coleman's not the same player but he's still defensively better than Diablaethraedd y bydd. But it's the players who have come in and we want them out of the team because they're not performing you know I'm looking at Michael Keane who I thought at the nightmare at the weekend you know and this is I don't forget I thought he was great last season. I thought he played really well last season for Everton really consistent. He's had a terrible season and now I'm looking and thinking we will move him on in the summer. Guilfee Sigarton 40. I was told when we got him he was going to be this match winner. He was great. He set pieces well like he had good as a goal. He's never scored a free kick for Everton. He's been here three years. So you know these are the players who are letting us down and then you've got I mean I've seen a statio today that he never touched the ball for 14 minutes. He's in midfield. How can you not touch the ball when especially though when you're under pressure like we were you go and make a tackle you go and block it off. That made me feel was dribble past eight times. Eight times by three kids. Well you know Rosson calling the kids 26 isn't he but you know he's a young player. You've got Mason Monti's had a really good season for TLC and you've got Billy Gilmore who's come in and just passed the ball side of it which was fine because he kept everything moving for them. Where we had Davis Gomez who's not fit and people who were calling him is busy to me because he's only just trying to get on the pitch. He's having a pre-season again but he's playing. Davis was terrible because Sigarton was non-event and Bernard who I really like on the right was a non-event. So that first half the midfield was just a joke. Absolutely. Janet didn't improve second half. I think it just boils down to I've said this a few times I was still unfortunately playing the faults of the old regimes still and those players you've just mentioned there Michael Keane, Gilffy Sigarton. They went and they went both by the people who were in charge now and unfortunately until we get rid of these average footballers now and making other players look very average as well in my opinion it's not nothing's going to change into a summer probably. I feel like for me what I feel like is it's like there's like a blocked pathway in many ways because what we're seeing is this season we're seeing players that were bought in the summer blocked as well, a Wobie Keane, they're all blocked because it's like the whole I don't mind much Keane being blocked by the way because the two lads are different. What I mean is though for the whole machinery of the football club is still dealing with those players that were bought in by Welch and Alibys and Cooman because I don't think we're seeing the best of the people, there's a lot of people out there who call their brands out and look at their signings and that's fair enough but that's no problem and you can't at the moment just not But isn't it fair to say that our best players are basically the ones brands have brought in? No I know what you are, what I'm saying is though is that some of them are getting caught. Meena should be like a settled player and he's not. Dean should be a settled player and he's not Gomez should be a settled player and he's not. Bernard the same then the players we brought in in the summer should be but they're not finding a way to integrate them because you've still got all these players and I think we've got that many players and have been used in different ways by different managers so the squad's too big so that prohibits young players coming through and getting time on the bench and getting the odd game here and there because no one's had the balls so far right real wrongly to just grab over to someone like Guilfysigus and it's called you don't mate or grab all the morgans now and just say you don't mate they keep on finding a reason to play them because there is always a reason to play them because we're always three games away from crisis that's the way it's been the last three years hasn't it? We're always three so it feels like the whole pathway of young players and new players is blocked because Dean can't get going because Bernard's not playing in front of him and then a Wobie hasn't settled him because injury and formations changing him it all just feels like that it's all up in the air and it might just take a summer of the summer is the reset and hopefully touch would we get rid of some of those players that really we should have got rid of and now Snaglan might have a thought he might come in and now in the recent games he's come in and did all right to be honest I think either being all right Sunday in mind it instead of saying two years ago we should have been get rid of them and start introducing a Benningamy and Benningamy two years on would have been all right in that game and I think that's the problem we've had we've got players who are on such big money and it costs so much and we can't get rid of them that you have to almost justify them being at the club because we've already got Balasi out on loan costing us millions of pounds if you're the owner you've got to look at those players and say you have to adjust not you have to play them but someone has got to justify to me and they get played or you get rid of them it can only be one or the other I can't afford these players sitting on the bench at the club as it is it's wasted talent because what happens if a young player comes in and you go what happens we've seen it this week Mason Horrie and Dominic Arvallun get five year contracts and now they're on big money just a fire we saw but if I'm the owner I'm sitting there going well I've got if you bring this player in and he does really well I've got to give him a big contract you've already brought that lad in you do you know what I mean there's only so far even for brands that the owner can go can extend for me and this is where brands now has to get rid of these players he has to come up with some clever way if you can't sell them to get rid of them because they just waits around by a nich and the other thing is it's not just that they're playing as well that means you wonder answer as he's playing these players but how many he's thinking I don't really want to play you but I've got in this grand scheme of things I've got to because no one's coming through I mean I think there's so much that needs sowing out in the summer and I think what you just said there about the players that we've brought in they're coming into the club and they're seeing those players and they're probably picking up on bad habits they've brought into the club as well so like you're looking at like looking at Luca Dean at the moment he's probably not been at his best this season he's fallen into that category now if he's low he looks like he's low at his standards to some of their levels and that's not a good thing and probably the only one you could say who hasn't really lowered themselves to him standard is Richard Ellison who just seems to be in a class of his own room for me a Wobe is the classic case of it because he's come into the club he's looking for a fresh start he's trying to get away from Arsenal where it's not going from they've made the decision on him he's coming to Everton fresh start we were sitting in the swimming and Andy was like Wobe be a good sign he's a really really good Gretyn he gets into a struggle inside Sigarton again was the big block wasn't he because he wanted to play number 10 in a 4-5-1 then he gets a few opportunities looks lively there he carries the ball well helps create goals then gets the injury then comes back and it's a new manager it's 4-4-2 plays him in his first game and then we haven't seen him in Arsenal and then we haven't seen him since come off the bench and it's the manager going well hang on I haven't really got time where as maybe in the summer he'll go I have got time and it's those things that have been happening but it's those things that has never last 2-3 years that have been happening manager can't get traction plays don't get traction and you end up with even us we sit here and every week we all go we can sit here and it affects nothing and we'll do like the start of 11 show and you're picking the same hole I never go let's play Golden this week or let's do this radical thing and I've got no influence on it I'm just fantasy football to me and yet I don't do it because you get caught up in the same tropes that the managers must do well he hasn't played for ages so why would I really play I mean I know there will be someone you've championed bats and you really want to see play but do you think it's that hard or would you just think we should just drop them in there and leave them in there for a season? Someone like Sigurdim for me is only going one way and that's out the door his legs have gone and now the manager might look and go well because he said in the press conference well you know he does the things that no one's liking the way we play he doesn't touch the ball you don't touch the ball for 14 minutes you shouldn't be anywhere near that team the manager's right manager's right there isn't he what I'm saying he does things no one's sorry but obviously the manager knows more than I do but just from my perspective of watching it now I would rather see Alex O'Wobee in there trying to learn this way of playing so we can make a decision on him because it might be that anti-lotty plays him and says listen we're playing 4-4-2 now going forward for the next four years while I'm the manager now you either learn to play in a 4-4-2 or if you can't, mate we're going to have to sell you the way Arsenal did because you're no good to me because this is how I play keeping them on a bench dropping them in taking them out this is what's happened to Tom Davis which is why Tom Davis is woeful at the minute because it's formed, dropped because he's in and out he played well against United he goes to Chelsea and looks like he can't get near a lad who's never played in the Premier League before Ross Barkley looked like Zidane and Mason Mount just ran off Tom Aldein he couldn't keep up with him because he doesn't know where he is so there is it where it's conversely, when you look at Chelsea you've had people like Azbala Quetta you've had Alonso these Olivier Giroux played a lot of Premier League games one trophy, K-Trumer played a lot of Premier League games then you've got Rudiger, German International knows how to play the game so you're looking around him, William who's a fantastic footballer so they had that and then they had the youth funders of Barkley and Mount and Gilmore and Pedro, who's won Champions League with Barcelona so they've got that and they had six players out so for Everton I've got to get that but what Lampard's done well is he hasn't allowed the likes of Olivier Giroux to block Tami Eibraham's path he hasn't allowed Danny Drinkwater who's getting sent back from Villar actually for butting someone allegedly he didn't allow him to block the path of Seymation Mount Ross Barkley struggled to get in because obviously other players have done it but he's got in and he's given a go and to be honest Ross has off the pitch things have cost him more so than performance has so they have managed to clear it and I think that's what Peds is alluding to that we get a clear line of sight and move a few of these players to the side and bring in your Louis Gibson's at the end of the season or whatever then maybe we will because on the pitch at the weekend that was an embarrassing display for them sorry I was just going to that's one thing that I banged a drum and different people tell me different things but that having young players who can look at experienced players and go you've been there and done it I think it's a huge thing to say whereas I think of us a young player likes a rich Alice and I look at him and he probably looks at Sigerson and just goes you shouldn't be on the same pitch you often nothing I have to do your running I think that's where Dean like you said before and that's one of Dean's little things is that Dean's just gone I think he's he's almost like I've looked at Dean this season it won't be a conscious decision no no no I've looked at Dean this season and he looks to me like a player that's gone I'm going somewhere else next season this is crap I'm better than all the youth I'm playing for a team that's in the bottom half of the table I should be playing for a team challenging for the leagues and what you said is right before it drags you down because you become it's like anything else with you anywhere, place it's a subconscious thing you're just what is the point in doing some players are like this it's like what's the point in doing amazingly well when it doesn't actually alter anything that's going on and that's the problem I think we've seen this with Llew Carchy towards the end he was banging goals in a 10 and 9 then John Stone just doing cliffs on the edge of his box and conceding goals and I remember the stocking it was clear as day when Ron he was incredible one of his best performances we lost the game he scored three goals he scored two and he was saying a nine like that when you conceding goals is it to say I'm doing my job and that's what actually I think makes people's minds up of when they're going to leave a club that's when they go and you're right the catch is probably perfect they go this isn't changing so what's the point it's great I'm scoring all these goals but I've got goals to go and win leagues and I think for Llew Cyddi if I don't understand what Marco Silva was playing at because he stumbled upon something last season that worked brilliantly then he stopped doing it and then if Bernard's there and fit play him in front of Llew Cyddi go back to what works okay they work well together Bernard works hard he's not the quickest but he's not slow he's good on the ball he works hard exactly play him and bring him in off the left Sigarton's off for nothing on the left hand side now if you want to play Sigarton then I have to play him next to Gomez and now I know but what I'm saying is if you think he can do something or play him on the right hand side but then again I wouldn't play him I'd rather see Alex Iwobi on one side and Bernard on the other and this again this is what you're saying what do we do with the middle of the park Gomez has got to play because we haven't got anybody like him if we had someone like Gomez Gomez wouldn't be playing he'd be getting brought on when I have an hour left easing them in he's backing the team because we haven't got anybody like him and then the partner for him Snidlans out for a month Delft's hitting miss he's fit one week nothing next so Davis is up and down and then he left with Sigarton otherwise you go and go on should we put Mason Holgate in there then now yeah Mason are going and do us a job and probably be brilliant there because he's a good player then Michael Keane that's a partner ym mynd all right man that's fine because what you say to Mason then is you say right when our fullbacks push on you drop and just make it a three and we're all right because we can make our fullbacks that's great if Gomez then crosses the half way so you'd have to say to Gomez you've got to be the attacking midfielder not someone who drops off and pings it in every way that could work but it mean we'd have to defend a little bit deeper because we'll get done with pace with Michael Keane on the side of Mina Mina's not slow he's quicker than Keane but the pair of them are a little bit the active you need a little bit of insurance next to them and that given the options that we've got in midfield and I don't really want to do it because Holgate's excellent at centre bar but I would probably play Mason in there not until the end of the season or certainly for the next few weeks until maybe Snidlans back or maybe Delph proves his fitness because I just don't think we can carry on with this midfield that midfield on Sunday was atrocious absolutely atrocious you're just passing the ball through the midfield all that was just so easy watching the game it was just like every time that you went forward you thought you were just going to score because we just had nothing it was 4-0 with 40 minutes to go son to me going back to the game it was just from Sigurdson points again I said this one so they don't really like to point the finger at plays but when you see some of the stats in the weekend it's sprints and stuff like to me that I would take a player if I'd rather have someone who wasn't good enough maybe put ran rather and that's not the standard I want for anything but you've got to give everything for the next few years this is what I ask would he have done any worse than Sigurdson at the weekend I don't know 4 sprints in 94 minutes he probably would now but the manager's obviously looking for key moments he's looking for set pieces he's looking for getting into shape there's pictures you know Jamie Carragher did the thing didn't he really show in the shape and when we go forward it's three at the back with one in the centre midfielder is dropping in and full backs play high and then obviously when the full backs push high Sigurdson then tucks in and becomes an extra centre midfielder maybe when training when they do these patterns of play Sigurdson's really good at keeping the shape and maybe he does keep the shape but he doesn't actually effect games anymore and I think he never wants to but and the other thing I would say as well is and this is where I'm not obviously telling Anciolotti what to do but this is where fans will start picking holes in Anciolotti and start looking and going why are you playing him because we say all three of us are sitting he shouldn't be playing and yet he'll probably say he should be playing and he'll give us a thousand reasons why he should be playing and still you can give that one reason of just saying he doesn't run he doesn't put the effort in that we expect as an Everton player and if you went and go and you played that in your garden out there he would do it and I would do it Dennis had an error exactly and he'd say that means nothing to me or whatever do you know what I mean and that's where fans will start picking holes it's almost like now we know too much about the game and we can watch it from a million of fun angles and so we know what I mean at times we want that explanation we want the manager to come out and justify why are you playing this player but at the same time we don't want the it to get to that point because then as a manager he might feel like fans are picking holes in it but what I don't think that's saying is like what you just said that we might know too much with someone like Sigurdd and we do know too much because we've seen the evidence of it and Cilotti me personally he'll be in I guess he'll play against Liverpool because he might look and go we get a set piece of good and we might score from him against Liverpool so he'll probably play I'm not going to be stamping my feet ever see him when they start because I'm giving him almost a free pass Cilotti because he can only go with what he's got but if he's playing next season then I will start questioning him because he offers nothing if you haven't ran if you sprinted four times in 94 minutes when you're playing in the middle of the midfield you haven't touched the ball for 14 minutes and that's just been one section of the game that is a disgrace to me and you're on 100 I'll grant the week people can go down care I'm up to the end I do if you're on 120, 30 grant the week you run around so you can't run anymore that's the least thing there was 3,000 Devatronians had left the R5 6 o'clock on Sunday morning and gone to London and it was pissing on they stood there and watched the team come out and not lay a glove on a team who's been up and down so there's good as Chelsea were on the day and there's good as they played and they took the goals and all that everything made it far too easy if a team come to Godderson and did that I remember Aston Villa come to Godderson a few years ago we beat them 4-0 and I remember saying I mean you were doing the thing not one Villa player got booked and they were in the bottom three and I remember saying I will be livid if Everton went away and didn't lay a glove on the opposition and no-one even cared to put a tackle in garnwch like that Deyrwllffa Villa madly enough I'd be ffewen and that's exactly what Everton did at the weekend when it went 1-0 down no-one turned down and I went sitting let's stay in this game they just carried on doing it the second half the second goal the other night carried a shoulder on the thing the second goal the first goal's bad Davies just let's make your mont run off which is ridiculous when you've marked them the second goal Pedro's mont Siddabi's next to Pedro he's literally stood next to him and instead of just going with him and the danger's averted he does what he did against Arsenal and just let's him run and how many times has Pedro done that run and it's clear to me you knew you knew if he's next to you go with him Siddabi actually does he does well Siddabi gets back into the shape really well he shows that but Ross Bach is coming out of me with the ball it's a good ball I don't think it's an amazing ball I think it's a good ball it's the only ball it's the only ball on early let's change there's no one again it's that symptom after Thalamus Field where he's running away from them cos they're also bleeding there's a fair sign ball wasn't it Michael Keane there's 10 yards of scene Ross Bach leading Michael Keane so Michael Keane's looking at him and really can't do nothing cos it turns like that bleeding vagin liner that was in the measures of the week but Siddabi is running in the right direction if Siddabi just if Siddabi just keeps running and drops with him and then says to him wait you've got to beat me Siddabi will keep up with him cos he's already running and he's quick he's already running but it's that idea and it gives Keane a chance to get back but no that is though that's like that's like that's from the training ground where you get told to do something all day and you only do it's like Forrest Gun honestly nobody's done you only do what you're told instead of having some kind of you know putting your own thing on it and going on this fella's going to go through the gap here but he doesn't and it's exactly what he did against the Arsenal exactly the same thing he's trying to do something rather than thinking about it in the moment dealing with the danger dealing with the danger and you know that was the killer goal I think it just comes down to it and then some players are stankered enough to play for us that's the harsh reality unfortunately but we've just got to get through to come around yeah you said that's why I didn't really have any when Angelotti come in you know the Europe chat and obviously it would have been we still can't finish technically in Europe but I wasn't on ease we were like yeah yeah we'll definitely do it because the certain players in that team still you just don't trust as a fan and I'm sure the certain other players who want to play for the club you look around sometimes and think what am I doing playing with players like this with Sigarton it's just all we needed on Sunday was someone to actually want to come and get the ball no one wanted I mean you're just kicking it kicking it into nowhere but what we don't have is we don't have that play Golmes was absolutely shot that's why I was surprised what we didn't play because at least he he'll come and get the ball and drive I mean what I'd say is when when Sigarton went in field with Golmes I made it a two and then we didn't kind of get run over as much because they got older a ball a little bit we didn't get me wrong we didn't do anything we had three attempts at Golmes which is embarrassing as well and one on saga but you know don't miss the key moment in the game for us right on half time you score that 2-1 maybe there's a bit of doubt in their mind maybe there's a bit of confidence in that session when you're going and go look you haven't played well and you're in the game you just got to go but this is on now and maybe the players have a bit of belief you missed it and then after that you could tell I mean don't eight passes I think you made and it was brought on it was his worst game for a while wasn't it and that's the way it is he's been that good for that long that he's going to have a deeper time that's football iPad so the other day on if he was on the on the final word the other type of chances he's got to start he's got to but he's improved he has he has said every year he needs to do this now you know he needs to hold the ball up better can do it he needs to start running in behind get his hands down he's done it he needs to add goals he's done it now the next challenge for Dominic Alford Luminis can you be more clinical when you get one chance in a game can you hit the target can you take it because that's what the likes of far deal do or it's what the likes of Harry Kane will do or Salah for Liverpool they get that one chance and it's bang and it's in the net and you're back in the game unfortunately for Dominic he clipped it wide he didn't connect at all with it but he's not won all the challenge now I'm going to point the finger at because it is what it is I actually thought he's missed his ass number of million times waste the other week because he was in a great run and he had the two sit the sitters was just woeful the one that was rolled across the six yard box and he missed his dick things like that but he's done brilliantly in the challenge and for me like I said right at the very start the fact that everyone was terrible means I've been able to just go on Monday like it's done it was that bad it was done and we moved on from it so let's leave it there let's get rid of let's get rid of all the misery in one go coming up in part two we'll be talking about the corona virus we'll be right back marvellous welcome back to part two of the Toffy TV podcast Ped, Baz and Steve in the chairs this week so obviously you can't escape it I mean I hope I escape it but you can't escape the corona virus it's everywhere then obviously now it's touching football we've had our first cancellation in this country Man City vs Arsenal has been called off due to Arsenal players interacting with the Olympiacos and Nottingham Forest owner and Arsenal have also interacted with West Ham since then Portman has interacted with Fleetwood it's it's just mad isn't it it's mad and what I don't understand about it I think it's up because you know I'm not sure whether we should talk about it but I think it's so important because not only is it like a national thing now it's going to be it's obviously bigger than just sport but sport plays such a big part in it and I'm absolutely like fabricated that we just seem to we just seem to be continuing like normal like it's only games that are getting cancelled that they know that someone's got it and therefore don't want to spread when actually anybody in any stadium in this country could have it and could be helping to spread it and surely if you want to stop a disease from spreading then you stop it from spreading which is not have people in the same place Yeah, we've got the you know, we've got the Cheltenham Festival this week on me and 60,000 people a day there in close proximity and how can you say that there isn't someone in that 60,000 who hasn't got it at the moment and no one likes things being disrupted in their routine but if you're trying to it's like instead of just waiting till it inevitably gets worse try and get a handle on it now so it never gets away it made it if you continue to keep football stadiums open and allow fans to go in the chances are you are going to spread it and then they come out and go where they go and then then you're struggling getting old of it so why not just take your lead on what other countries have done even though we're not at that stage and go right we're postponing everything for three weeks and we'll have a look at it in three weeks where we are and if it's slowed down in those three weeks then we will carry on it's disruptive but now's almost the perfect time there's an international break so there's no footy for almost two weeks anyway so a week either side or one week now will give them a certainly where football's concerned they give the opportunity for it maybe to slow down a scene I was watching the skiing was on the downhill skiing was on you know when you're watching you're watching telly like you've recorded something and it stops and you're getting there and like your own sport or ESPN's this is the worst explanation of realising I haven't recorded skiing I haven't recorded skiing it was on I was waiting for the 10-minute preview and and there just happened to be skiing and I turned it over and they're quick and then I was sitting there and he's skiing yeah, full on skiing like Ned Flam does go it feels like I got nothing on at all I mean this is quite a serious point Andy was talking about he just made a decision that they're cancelling the Whale Cup and it's just done that it was like the finish in this tournament over the next couple of days and that's it it's cancelled and there's other things we've seen the league have come out and they've played behind closed others are like there's now something coming out from Spain saying they don't expect the league to be finished now they think it'll be cancelled said he has said exactly the same so the Premier League will end up being cancelled whether or not everything is cancelled with it we don't know but why not deal with it now Steve yeah Steve, deal with it Steve I just that's someone who's in the travelling industry as well yeah it's it's very worrying because at football we have so many different age groups you go to football and they're saying obviously a lot of young kids could have it and don't even know and then they're going to matches where you could be sitting in front of an LD person who might have a condition or could have so we're allowing people to go into football grounds and go to pub before the game touch glasses touch like sit on chairs whatever and then they're going to go in the ground just talk about Monday nights heated game shouting like whatever you know what I mean that's where it's coming from when it's open it's not a airborne it's going on services isn't it people are shouting exactly and then you touch it and then you're looking at like tonight's game Liverpool are playing athletic game they're allowing 3000 fans coming from Madrid but they're not even allowing their own fans into their own stadium in another country but they're going to come to England and potentially pass a virus on over here or pick up a virus or pick up a virus and you're a Germany game last night you've got Leipzig playing Tottenham but tonight you can't play a game in Munich it's behind closed doors it's just doesn't it's all over the place it's just really really strange I don't understand I don't understand I think it's mad what they've done in Spain Italy have shown that I think France they're playing closed doors as well I don't know why you do that Italy tried that and now they've shut it all down you play games behind closed doors in any country people want to watch it and they want to watch it in groups of people so let's say the weekend they said or they said the day side Barbie is getting played behind closed doors well every pub in Liverpool then would be full and it would mean people would be shoulders to shoulder with on each other as you mentioned glasses and all kinds getting their aunt people's hands on it people are going to be going to the toilet every five minutes because they're drinking they're not going to be washing this is what I don't understand about Cheltenham people are going to Cheltenham and I know they've got all kinds of hand sanitizers but there's going to be so much ale drunk that people are just going to be like oh go to the toilet and they won't wash their hands and their money's getting passed now and it's going to be the same for boy if they're playing back to people that walk out the toilet without washing their hands people go people go and especially I want to go to the toilet I can't be bothered waiting this is something my missus said to me right she said to me if I go to she said I don't know if I'm going to go to Game Monday because the women's toilet don't want to have any hot water this isn't a glad to see and they don't have any hand sanitizer now in the men's they do have hand sanitizer and she's got asked me she's like I can't go to the mat to go to the toilet and not wash my hands and yet I won't be able to wash my hands because there's not enough women's toilets there's not enough washing area for it and there's not sanitizer now everyone might put more hand sanitizer but she's been a touch of the club about this so if not got back to giving any concrete and it's little things like that you know it's just like at the end of the day it's sport and this is the whole thing with this country it's all about money in this country it's not about the safety of people it's about money so there's no clear plans of what would happen if you're off sick or whatever so people go oh I might lose my job when I'm off sick and it's like so go to work ychydig, sy'n cael ei ddweud. Mae'n ffordd gyda ni'n gwybod, mae'n mynd i'n ddweud, mae'n gwybod, mae'n ddweud. Nid oedd yn oed. Nid oedd yn dweud o'n gwybod. Mae'n ddweud – i'n gwybod – i'n gwybod. A'n gwybod, a'n gwybod, ac mae'n gwybod i'n gwybod. Felly mae'r peth yn ymddangos neu yn ymddangos. Mae'n ddweud ei ddweud o heti, yn yn 70. Well that's okay. So number one, you're stopping a group of people from going to game. What if you go to match every week and there's three generations, there's a son, the dad or the mum, and then the grandmother and the grandfather, the right, the grandmother or the grandfather doesn't go to game, and straight after would you go round to the airhouse and go aww, you could have seen it. And the kids like, aww, gran dad o gran na, you missed the game and the hugging them and all that. It's the same. You're spreading this thing to the air. These are the things that, like, I just, I can't understand the rationale of. Well, we don't think any of, there's no confirmed cases of anyone's got it, so let the game go ahead. But it's like, no, what's going to kill people in this country is the NHS is going to cash in being all in one go. That's what's going to kill people. There's not enough beds. They've already said this. There's not enough beds to deal with it. So why, so why not go, you know what, we're going to call for you off in the next few weeks. And we know, let's say they go, we know three million people in this country are going to get it, but if three million people get it over four months rather than two months, then there will be so much less pressure on the NHS and we'll battle through it. It's just honest to God. Money, money, money, money. But why would you, why would you risk putting it into an area where there's 40,000 people just using everything on Saturday for that? You know, why? Because two people are in there. How many people does that spread to? It's just, it's ridiculous now. What we need to do, listen, it's been handled in my opinion ridiculously all the way through. The minute it was in China, it should have been, in my opinion, should have been low on anyone out of China anyway. Everyone should have been self-quarantined. Let's see if we can get all the way. But it has, it's happened and it's gone on. But we've seen patterns around the world. And the best way, one thing it is, is it's spreading. Now I'm not chatting, I'm thinking, oh my God, I might get it and die. That's not my thought, but what I'm thinking is, and most people won't die with it. No, 99% will. No, 20%, that means 20%. That's 20% people who might die with it. No, but to be more than it'll be higher than, it'll be like 90% they won't die with it when you look at the numbers. But you're still spreading that to people, making them sick, putting pressure on the NHS, putting pressure on people's lives because they can't go to work, putting pressure on work then because they haven't got people to do the job. So you're creating an issue. Get ahead of the curve and go, you know what, let's cut down these opportunities for it to be spread on mass, you know, places in France, no more than a thousand can gather anyway. So that's why all the football's been jibbed and it'll be cancelled in the next week or so, I guess. And all the playing games are closed, so that'll be jibbed as well because players will go. Obviously if you put me in the managers who've come out the last couple of days, go out the older, thinking they're Wolves managers, and he was saying... Isn't it weird that all three of us can't remember what the Wolves managers name is? And they're basically saying that, there's no fans there, what's the point in playing it? It's a sport, it's a game, it's safe entertainment. I know people have it as their lives, you know, it's a bit important but the reality is if you actually just step away from that, it's actually just a game it's entertaining. If they said to you, if you go to pitches, you're probably going to get this illness, would you go to pitches? You probably go, you know where I'll leave that for the next weeks. So I'm going on, so Saturday Monday night's game, so my sister, she's recovering from cancer, she's in remission, she ain't going to risk that, her immune system's really weak. She hasn't been to a lot, she didn't go to any games over the winter because her immune system's so weak. She can't go on. Sam, my wife, she's got asthma, she waits for the NHS, so she's debating it as well because like we've just said about the toilets and everything, there's just two people. I've said to Bas before about my dad, some of the diabetes. So there's two people straight away that you're like from my point of view that I know that wouldn't go to maths, you'll know. We'll all know, people will go, why would you risk it for the game of footy? And this is what I can understand about the public consciousness. This is like, why would you risk it? They've already said loads of people are going to get this and the reason they're going to get it is because it's a new disease. We haven't got any tolerance to it. We'll all probably get it if we come into contact with it. We'll have to suffer with it for a week or so, get the antibodies in our system and then it'll never be this bad. So first like new thing we've had for a while, which actually we can all get, right? So it's just, I just can't, like after me, it's not even a question, is it? It's not even a question. It's this weekend's game should all be cancelled. Following weekend's game should all be cancelled. Then we go into an international break and then we make a decision that we have to. But the idea is, well let's just get through it this week. Let's get through it next week and then we've got an international break and then see where we are, where that could be. Thousands upon thousands onto millions. We've just said before when we started it, the Arsenal or Olympiacos owner, then he passed it to the Arsenal team. Arsenal team might have passed it to the West Ham team. And many of those West Ham players who didn't know they come into contact, could have contacted other people. Port of plays, Port of play Fleetwood. You're like, that's just one incident of one man, one man. You know what I mean? It's just mad. I honestly, but you'll have all these people in the background going, you can't cancel it. Oh, because Sky, I've got this game and it's Monday night football. That's the problem with this country though is, oh yeah, but you can't. I said to you, didn't I have the first thing I was saying this morning, oh yeah, but what about the economy? It doesn't matter about the economy. It's people's lives, you know what I mean? It's not going to mess and move. You're going to do more damage long term to the economy than if you just get ahead of the curve, no? Football's not just, people don't just come from this country football, they come from all around the world. They're going to see tonight Liverpool, Man United, they're going massive tourism. People come from other sides of the world to come and watch Liverpool, to watch Man United. And they fly back out. And then they're taking it back. It's a sport. And then you're going to come out this morning saying that the Euros is definitely going to be going ahead. Because again money. Money, they won't cancel each games because of money. But the thing is if they actually cancel games in the league now and try to halt it a little bit, the Euros may still be able to go. And this is what they're saying, they're not bothered about Leeds getting cancelled, they should be cancelled so to protect the Euros. So that's the problem with that. I think Klopp suggested in the press conference he was asked by someone about it who's like a journalist and Klopp probably flipped on the journalist. He said I'm not a medical. No, no, this was a different one. This was a different one. This was where he said to him. He said something about are you worried, something about people coming into the crowd. Where are you from? He went to Madrid. He said it's all right for you to fly here from Madrid for your job. Did you not think there was a problem with you coming here? He said you're not even playing football in Spain. He said you could have brought it over here. Did you not think about that? He properly flipped on him and he was right. He said something like you're basically having to go with me saying should we even be playing games and you've come from Spain for this game. And he was right in what he was saying. There's too much of it goes on where we go. It's fine. That's my point. There's fans who've come from another country who are going to be going round the city all day today. Going to restaurants, going to pubs, going to shops. Catching it from us. Oh giving it to us. But then I'll have to go and say I don't see him at the weekend. I think it's mad. I'd just make a decision tomorrow and just say it's all off this weekend. We can't justify anyone getting sick at a football match. If you've got a game a week after, you'll be playing a week after. We haven't got it. We should have had another. So if they're not going to do it this weekend, they should be playing a lot of games. But they should just be done now. But they should come down to the government? No, but they should come down. Should football clubs lead the wellness? Should everything lead the wellness? Should everything not come out and say we... Well I've seen Benfica refusing to travel. They've told you we're refusing to travel to a game. If everything's just turned round to the Premier League and said we for the safety of our fans. Because let's say the weather was really bad. It'd be cold off wouldn't it? So should everything not turn round? I'm not having a go at everything. But should everything be prepared to turn round and just go we can't justify this game going ahead. We can't justify a saying amount of our fans getting ill. But what are city going to do? Because I think they're making a decision tomorrow about the Burnley game. So they've called Arsenal off tonight. But this is the thing though with city though. Because if the game is off for one particular reason it's justified. They've got no justification. And this is the problem. They've got no justification to call off the Burnley game. Other than the coronavirus is out there. They've got justification for this. Because Arsenal players are in quarantine. Oh, city have a met them of course. Because I've seen loads of people saying how are wolves travelling to Olympiacos to play them. The simple reason is because anyone who's infected at Olympiacos won't be there. Behind closed doors now isn't it? So there's justification for canceling. Because the Arsenal players some of them are in 14 day quarantine and four backroom staff who were sitting by them apparently. Sitting by them during quarantine. Well they've got an older Brighton game at the weekend. They're saying to Steve before they're saying the Brighton game is going to be off because they're playing Arsenal on Saturday. So that will be off. So what about Westam? We're thinking at me. We're already calling the games off. So why not just go like everything is off for the sake of the nation's health. Let's try to cut down on the opportunity to spread this. We've got an international break, Cymru. Call it off till after this round. Wolves are vast for the game to be cancelled. And UEFA said no change. Well UEFA are absolutely... Yeah, they're considering canceling it after this round. UEFA played games the day of 9-11. They made Dortmund play a game. Have you ever watched the... Actually this is quite social. Left, yeah. Cos he said the club should have stood up for the players. The players, some of them were absolutely strong. I don't forget one of them nearly lost his arm, didn't he? Because of... Because of the explosion. And yet he made them play it the week after all. The next day, yeah? The bomb went off and he had to play the next day. He made them play because that's patient. But what... Just to round this off. Can you imagine in let's say a month's time, right? If it comes out, a gentleman has died. The gentleman attended a Premier League game on the weekend of the 14th and 15th of March. It looks like he had that help. Can you imagine the bad PR for the Premier League if that happens? It's probably going to happen now. If you were a family member though, you'd shoot a club as well. You wouldn't have a like to stand on and do not have to come. And that's the problem. The Premier League should right now be taking a stand and going, you know what, we love our fans. And we're calling them off. For your health. I don't know if it's Ben Feig, but someone in the league has said we're not playing the game. I think basically they said we're prepared to lose our chance and there's competition for it. It's going to take something like that. Ben, isn't it? What you're doing is, you make the decision. We're not doing it for health reasons. You make the decision. Is it going to take a Premier League team to go, we're not playing? Maybe if City do the side and say we're not playing the weekend, this is proving to us that it only takes one person and we're canceling the game for the sake. If someone like City do it, I'm not saying it's happening. I'm not saying it's happening. I'm not saying it's happening. If one team says we're not playing the weekend, we're not playing, we're shutting the stadium and we're not playing because number one, it's the safety of our fans. It's also the safety of our people who work at the club and it's the safety of our players. We are not playing. If one does it, then others will follow and I'd love it to be evident to say because we've got more time. If we were to come out on Friday and go, we're not playing this game, we're just not playing it. There's too much of this. There's too many people. We're taking a stand and it's not happening. I really hope they do. For what point do you knock out the game? Is it when you've got a sniffle? You have a sniffle. If you go to the game. I said there's a bloke behind me. Is it good me sitting there with all game? All game. You just don't know. You might know anyway because it takes five days to come out on anybody. It's just been it all. In fact, it's just been the Premier League. Call it null en void. Take the title, you know the script. Let's start again. Right, coming up in part three we'll be previewing a game we hope doesn't happen. See you then. Welcome back to the final part of the Toffy TV podcast. The Mayside Diary. Monday at Gullison Park if it goes ahead. Just cancel it. We could just literally get off now and wouldn't even have to preview. The biggest daily that is today. 83 more. It's happening. Mayside Diary Monday night. Obviously the Arsenal game got cancelled. Man City need a point on the weekend if that game goes ahead. Man City doesn't. Obviously the big thing was going to be Liverpool could win the title. It was, guys. That's why they moved it to someone tonight. Liverpool could win the title. It didn't look like it was going to happen when obviously Wofford beat them. Then that game was hastily rearranged and then that's off now. Man City, if that game goes ahead need a point against Burnley for it not to happen. I just thought when you spoke about this a couple of times about just we've all accepted Liverpool are going to win the league and that's fine. No problems with that. Really the better. But obviously not at Gullison Park because that would have for me left an effect on this squad, this manager and obviously this set of fans. Certainly this manager. He doesn't deserve to be the manager who Liverpool came into the park. I also think for the legacy of Gullison as well we were in our last two years potentially and we'd be leaving it now in two years before that they'd won the league. It's not going to happen but like Pets I did unfortunately they've deserved to win the league but from my point of view I think we've just got to go out there and I watched the way at Wofford Wofford did what a lot of other teams should have been doing all season really is the problem is when teams have played Liverpool this season I noticed if they concede the first goal they just crumble and they just it looks like they're scared to even trying to get back into the game sometimes but Wofford showed a bit of confidence got stuck in just went for Liverpool a bit more than any other probably team as this season and this is Wofford who was second from bottom so it proves it can be done and I think from our attitude we've got nothing to lose really on Monday like we all know we're not great in derby games anyway so I'd rather us going out there and trying to actually win the get-go and win the game, give the fans something to shout about they're going to go on and win the league but if we can put a little a nice win before it happens it'll be a wouldn't soften the pain it'll be something for us to talk about we've got to go and match them we were that far off the pace last week against Chelsea in front of our own crowd don't think the crowd would allow the teams to play that way Wofford had a blueprint of making sure that the people behind the ball so Liverpool couldn't play through and Liverpool were limited to very little I think they only had one shot on track I think it was Robert to Wofford could have won four or five he missed a couple of sitters he could have ended up with a hat so it's doable as it's been proven they're also missing the goalkeepers as well the keepers out as well, Alison's not there and who knows who else will be injured but for Everton's perspective they've just got to go and get some pride we've got can I just say that UEFA have postponed two Europa League games there you go there's no competition between Italy and Spain so if it goes ahead Everton have got to there's loads of Spanish people in the city at the moment Everton have got to who will be in close contact with Liverpool fans who will then be going to Godduson on Monday Everton have got to make sure that they don't leave any gaps get stuck in I think the two lads of front give us a chance in every game, I know they didn't play particularly well at Chelsea at the weekend but at home we're always different anyway we've got a great chance to score and go Do you think he'll play Cavalier sorry, no Do you think he'll play Brachalis on the front or from the right? Play him off the front Moise Keane hasn't really had a goal but I just thought when Moise Keane come on in the derby, arm field no it means changing it depends what he does there I think what has to happen is we have to have so much more energy in the game because I think what you've mentioned Watford and Chelsea when Liverpool were in possession you've got to get six men in the back line and you've got to get three then you've got to have nine behind the ball you've got to stop the spaces Liverpool love space behind the defence and you've got to block her off as much as you can when we went there and played three at the back you could see them using the channels and going along you've got to stop that from happening and I think it'd be interesting where he goes 4-4-2 but then who he has to drop in and that'd be interesting actually if he did play Holgate in the centre of the field I don't think he would but and that's Holgate to drop in as a third centre that would be a centre of the fielder in the game and that's Keane to just be on the edge of the area with Mina I wouldn't be surprised if he played me on the right back honestly I don't think he would because I don't think he's I think that you look at players in certain positions and you ask them to play there and only he's asked them to play there so I don't know if it's in his mind I just wouldn't be surprised just the way all said he's been lightly against like a Bami Ang in the office at the weekend I think you've just got to work all week to I think all you can do is get your players and drill them all week on the way you play and then when it comes to the game see what happens I think Don't forget he had a lot of joy with Napoli against Liverpool beat Dumont and they played a 4-4-2 against Liverpool with Napoli and all the other Napoli have got better players but it's still a system it was a system Liverpool couldn't get you see they played them 3-4 times in 2 years and Liverpool only won one game 2-1 Napoli won 2 and he drew 1 didn't he show he knows how to beat them and Pet's right you play a system you work on it all week we've had 8 days between games so there's enough time you probably train maybe 5 times in that period on shape how to get in Liverpool aren't going to come to others and play differently because they play the same way all the time there's no surprises they'll bang it long into channels and have runners in behind us take your eye and then they catch they spring yet and you're in trouble and if you give them chances generally they take them but what I would say about Liverpool over the last few weeks they look vulnerable they look like they've hit a little bit of a brick wall on energy level and I wouldn't say they were lucky to beat Bournemouth but Bournemouth missed good opportunities and give Liverpool their goals so we're going to have to be almost perfect on the night to win the game we're going to have to have a bit of luck because we are but it's been 9 years since we beat them hasn't it 2011 or 2010 has it 10 years in October so it's like 9.5 years since we beat them that's ridiculous absolutely I got SkyCube at the weekend and obviously you lose all the recorded videos and that game was still on the skybox I'd kept that I'd kept Wolfsberg away because it had gone it had taken off ITV and it's still beaten whole 5-0 and it had Landon Donovan's last game and it had the Man City game where we won 2-0 and I was gutted because the fella was like do you want me to take that and I was like I face I was like do you know what I'll get the adder I've offered and downloaded and put it on me and asked and in the end I just thought why let it go just let it go when that was they were close to getting going it's how long it was beat them 2 and it could have been 80 we just go along and we test and test and test at least what that'll do if that gives you more time and get the crowd and then just don't lose it in the first 20 minutes you're not going to win a game in the first 20 minutes but you can definitely lose it but you can definitely lose it that's what I'm saying, we can easily with the ways for the quickfire goals and I think I would say is that when they beat us at Amfield in the league they beat us 5-2 we had a lot of chances that night we could have scored half a dozen ourselves we should have had a penalty we should have missed the chance when we should have done better Moise Keen almost made a 4-3 they keep making a couple of good saves we got in a lot of times and that's the few teams that pull the season and they've got in you've got to take it so when you play against them you're going to get chances but loads of teams snatch it the chances because they don't feel like they're going to get them we've seen one on Belmouth last minute I know probably we've been this loud for offside but snatching the chance because you don't feel like you're going to get them and it's happened to us in the other games that we snatched the chances because you're like oh my god we've got a chance to score here and I think that's what we've got to do better that's where Dom has been guilty that Arsenal Chelsea is snatching those chances but whoever gets the chance has got to have a bit more composure they've built up this thing of they're not invincible anymore but they have built that up of being invincible even if you score one we're going to score two and what happens is you'll notice when you play against them when teams play against them they don't know whether to take the risk because that will leave space behind and the Waffa game they took every opportunity basically they didn't get flushed by they kept going and making opportunities and they called Liverpool on a diable it can happen it can happen like I said Sartre my two sisters at the end they could have been 5-0 and you would have been going they held 5-0 so if you get it right and you get your shape and you work hard then why not records are there to be broken they're there to be beaten well I prefer records are there to be expunged start again let's turn up, let's have a go at them engage the crowd if the crowd are there engage the crowd through the telly one thing it can't be is behind closed doors because that is listed the way it could be oh my god I can't even imagine the city centre if that game is behind closed how do you think if it was behind closed doors how do you think the game would play out that would be awful do you think the batterers the destroyers our players wouldn't be able to cope and imagine if he played behind closed doors don't beat them 3-0 just batted them and everyone's like have a full shit of been there no it would be awful I'm not being funny the police would have to just say we just can't go ahead because there's 40 people you'd have people outside you'd be like you'd be like people are making jad media passes and everything that's where that fella got in who spoke to Marino at the game last night people have probably got like students outfits in their houses just for this one day it can happen it can happen it's not really good luck not for the Premier League don't let it, just call it off call it off and just give us the win we won't play but we'll just have a 3-0 win just move on give them a 3-0 win, I couldn't get less I don't know, I don't know no we'd have anastasics oh is there anastasics it's going to be anyway but they're not winning a goal no they wouldn't be they just give them the points because we're going to beat them this is the year that Don's actually gone it's going to win it you had black here there's no book to book on come on this season's been that mad surely this is the season we beat them gilfy siger to 4 gilfy 35 yarder whips on a cross to make it 4-1 to make it 4-1 gilfy the greater gilfy the greater and sanitise it that's gone that's it let us know your thoughts on the whole coronavirus issue would you call it all off we would best thing to do is 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