 Hello, hope everyone enjoyed that fantastic keynote that we just had It's the same for as yesterday. So we've got one more talk today before the coffee break and then a couple three more talks before lunch Today I have the great pleasure of introducing Check she's currently a data scientist and organizing several meet-ups across the capital Check take it away. Yeah. Thank you so much. So, yeah, thank you very much for being here I Yeah, I'm sure if you're come to this talk then you already have some kind of care about the diversity in the pipeline community and Yeah, I'm check I this is my handle you can find me on github or Twitter so we can have a chat, but yeah as I am a co-organizer of several meet-ups in London, including Meetup core AI club with gender minorities. So I have a lot of concern about the gender minorities In the community and also I try myself I try to dive into the open source Contributions scene, but I just started that the beginning of my journey. I started to create it my own My own library which I need a logo. So please if you're interested, let me know and help me out So enough about me Yeah, I want to talk about the main agenda diversity in the in the Python community and One thing that caught my attention was I found this blog post Months ago online and I believe this is a blog post. I wish is already there for a while I saw a blog it was updated the last year. So I hope the information that it mentioned is still valid till today so Yeah, the in the blog post it mentioned some problems that we have compared to the our community which Because according to the survey done by stack overflow They're the users of pythons actually six time more compared to our But if you look at the number of members in the pile ladies and our ladies community There's only one point two five More members in the pile lady than our ladies. So you can see that there's like an imbalance here Why there's like a lot more Python users or like yeah people use Python, but the Kind of if if the you know the membership of pile ladies to indicate of how many women in the in the Python community Then that's like totally a imbalance there And also according to the information from the blog is I think it's some statistic that it has done Like the link was in the previous slide So you can click on it and have a more detailed look, but it mentioned that for the our community There's like four time more female contributors Than Python. So yeah, as I mentioned, I am trying to get into open source contribution. I think obviously like If you go to a lot of conference you can see that a lot of them a maintainer or key a contributor of open source libraries In Python is mainly male So I think there's there is a very understandable imbalance there, which could be a problem I also know that there's some like mentorship. There's like start going on like So I would mention at the end. Maybe that's something that we could do about it Also, if we look at the network of the of the female You know in the community that our ladies they have a 120 chapters in 40 countries But pilot is only 45 chapters active check chapters in 19 countries So it seems like the even for just like having meet up locally. There's There's more People that active in our community than in Python community so in the in that pose out it also mentioned that there's actually a Potential reason why there's more Improportions more female our users than in the female Python users It mentioned that in the in the Academically there's like 44% of like of the graduate of a statistic Prince of the discipline is like it's women and it's significantly greater than The students graduate from computer science. You can see there's like an imbalance in computer science discipline in in universities and since a lot of the data scientists who have Background in math statistic or science or social science even economy economics they our users because for them when they They use ours a statistic tool to you know help them in their academic research. So so it seems like this is like a Very a natural choice for them But for Python because Python is very it's actually it's a good thing. It's a more general language It's not just used for statistic and nowadays and always like more popular in data science and machine learning but Python is not limited to that. It could do a lot of amazing things. So that's why it's it's more popular in the data science study and sorry computer science study and Of course, it's also the students. They're using C kind of C++ as well. So it kind of Integrated very well with Python. So that's why for them is like more like a popular choice So if they graduated from the computer science and then they decided to move their career into From computer science to data science, then they would probably use Python in the job So in that buckplows is also mentioned there is like a Jupyter notebook that do some statistical study about the the The leadership group in pie data, which is very interesting because actually I see this Jupyter notebook before I found the blog post I also caught my attention and then this is the result. So there's like Jupyter notebook and do they The language is also there you can check like what methodology they use, but that's not my Focus here, but you can see This is the this is the graph and then you can see like the lower it is the more The more equal it is the higher it is. There's like more bias So you can see that there are some projects that is very popular, but they are not very diverse The best ones are, you know, you can see like our own size Yeah, I'll inside which is like also out so you can see Yeah, open generalist is like more for you know, social science. So that's an imbalance there and Also in the Jupyter notebook. He also mentioned that the reason for like there's two type of bias There's active bias and a passive, you know active diversity and passive diversity problems some active problem What does it mean? It's like the community is like there's some forces in the communities actively preventing the gender diversity to you know to grow like for example, there's like toxic members or there's like toxic You know group that they they prevent it happen Passive one is like the community is is not against being diverse. It's just the nature of the community is It's not very balanced And then if nothing is done, then it's just going to be that way So I do believe that we don't have that much active Active diversity problem I hope although like there's tiny lead to you know, some occasionally there would be people voicing out saying like they don't agree with my point of view But I think so far my experience. I think the major problem will be the passive diversity problems So I that's why I tried to do something of myself because the information that I gave you previously secondhand information I found it online. So I want to do some first-hand Research you can call them or studies which is like and it's not really a research because I just do something like Counting the Speakers at a conference that I attend last year So if you have been to conference even like this event today like if you for example, there's a coffee break and then you go to the Toilet and then you can see that there is a queue of for the male toilet outside But there's like this as a female. I just walk into the toilet, which is very convenient for me But I think that also show that there is like an imbalance for the conference attendee But like I well, I kind of I am involved in the Europe Python programming work group right now But I I don't have enough data to for all the conferences like how like the statistic of the attendee like the gender and stuff So I what I do is like a more obvious way Because all the talks are recorded. Hi So What I do is I go through all the videos of some conferences that I went last year and I try to determine the gender of the Speaker obviously like this is a lot of assumption that has been made because I can't really go to you know Email and ask the speaker. Oh, do you identify yourself as a male or female? I just make some assumption according maybe when the chair introduced the speaker that they would use a Pronoun for the speaker and then I will use that as an indicator So, yeah, so this creamer is not 100% accurate But of course, there's also other things for example the speaker doesn't want it to be recorded or something But that's but in general we can use it as an indicator So this is the result so you can see that Daniel is here today So it's like he must be very happy that actually Python UK is doing very well in in the gender diversity But for the other conferences like unfortunately, there's like 75% of the speakers are actually male so It's it's very Considering the population, of course, there's like half male half like me almost half male half me male Of course, there's other people identify their non binary, but but yeah, this is showing that there's an imbalance in the speaker. So Why Which I will talk about at the end but before I would like to talk about their that diversity problem in theater because I am Very passionate the theater goer. I go to theater. Maybe once or twice per week So especially in London, there's a lot of theater to go So I noticed that there's also a diversity problem in theater a different type of diversity But we can get some insight from their problem Maybe we can have a look at our community and there's like something that they did that we could Try to do as well so I found this article on the stage, which is like also a newsletter for for theater and Then in that article they mentioned that There to address the problem of diversity. There's actually different layers of addressing it. For example, it mentioned that For some some shows there's actually in balance of the of the cause they could have a Story that it's not very specific in race, but they could have like a full cast made up of white actors So which is a big no-no. I'm so also in the in audience. There's also a problem because Now in London, you can see it's a very diverse city and then we have a you know a band population It's now a 44 which means a black Asian I think it's a mid-east so it's like Ethnic minorities, but it's not minority right now in London because it's like 44% of the people So but in the theater if you like a theater goal like me, you can see that still there's like a Lots of the audience. They're actually a middle-class, you know, maybe white people. So it's not very balanced Also, there is it mentioned that there's like you have the the stage There's like the actors you have the audience, but also there's like decision-makers inferences They are the artistic director of the theater They are the people who made the decision that like oh like what show it's got to be next and then what's production They got to be doing so they are very key players as well, but there's also an imbalance because there's not many ethnic minority Yeah artistic directors in the London theaters So there's the chicken and egg situation for theaters because if they want to draw more people to see a show that is more for the minorities then Is because you have a show that's like more interested like like this show Fella, which is very attractive to okay very attractive to Nigerians because it's music it's musical base based on the story of these Nigerian singer so it's like a lot of the Nigerian Minicap drivers there obviously not the like Frequence of theater goal, but they they went to see the show again and again. They loved it But the problem is if you have these kind of show for the minority people then you then it's a risk Because they they're not sure that they may lose the the or like the traditional theater goal of the audiences So that's the chicken and egg question problem there Like should it show they make a risk and change or even if they change maybe still not Attracting the right audience. So that's could be the problem So it is another article which is this one the link is also there I will share the slides so What the theater? the community is doing is like they are trying to make a change which maybe we could learn from them because What they're doing is like they are trying to maybe for the gatekeepers the people that I said It's like very inferential the artistic director. They're trying to introduce some people that's not white to have an ethnic diversity to be you know Working as the Aesthetic director for example these theaters in London Bush South Bank Center Young vague and we say they're starting to have Diversity in the people who are making decisions. So hopefully this scene will change Also, some theaters. They're trying to like be more inclusive and have accessibility for example, they Make sure that some tickets are cheap enough for the people that's not the middle class They can you know, they can still buy a ticket to enjoy the theater and also They have accessibility measures to help people for example now now like if you go to theater you see some shows it's labeled as British Sign Language or you know audio describes for people who maybe slight or hearing impaired Also it now I think it's more popular for cinema, but not that much for theater It's like they have relaxed performances wish for parents. Maybe if they want to bring the kids To let's say the cinema then, you know, they would be showing us mainly for family So they could you know if the baby needs to have the nappy change or beat the baby They could go in and out freely People understand they don't think it's like to just disturb being things like that So there's a lot of measures to try to make it more better for everyone So stepping forward so what we can do about our community So this is going back to the first block that I talked about It's also mentioned that in recent years, Python is making some Changes and helping to be more diverse and then actually it's related to the theater measures that I've mentioned before For example, like they outreach to women to to be the speaker and mentor them to be if their first-time speaker Maybe they need mentorship and they will provide that which is Equivalent to having like more shows that is you know for for the for the minority audience They need to find more female speakers so they attract more female to attend to the conference to attend talk because they feel that Oh, it could be more related to me because speakers also female Also it provided a diversity scholarship, which is like the cheap tickets they offer You know maybe women that you know, they they haven't been working for a while because of different reasons If they start to want to go back to work, maybe they can't afford really expensive ticket So that would really help them or for graduates the students that they or so they can't afford and that would really help them So you can see that things are changing is going better and better with this number So it seems things are changing and it's working Also for pie data side a non-focus, you know, the Is also having DIC community committee? I also get emails from them quite often And I think it's also good to have a network of women trying to make changes and also over diversity Scholarship similar jungle girl is amazing. It's very powerful Because like all almost all conference that when they would be like a similar jungle girl workshops for people mainly for Women that you know, they they are beginners. They want to start using python So that would be like a first step that they could you know, have the whole day They will their mentors there to help them, you know to start coding So and the tutorial is super powerful as well as trans translated to 12 languages and it's growing very quickly So it seems like if we want to do something it seems it could be done So my this is my opinion My humble opinion so it may not be correct But I just want to flow something out so we can have a discussion So I think that for conferences because I go to a lot of conference and I'm starting to help out in a lot Of conference as well. I think that's how case very important I know that like for example, Python UK and pie data London They are having a cash for for families to bring the babies there. They can leave the baby there safely It's really helpful even though like it may not be a lot of people using right now But I think we what we can do is like we can encourage people to use it So conferences they they can see it's working so they would keep on providing it Also, there's other accessibility arrangement last year I go to Python UK and I was so surprised that there's like a live, you know You know, I don't know how to say it but like yeah, they're captioning. Yeah live captioning that is You know helping, you know, people with maybe hearing impaired They can still see what the speaker was talking is is an effort that I of course I don't know how many people are using but it's the very nice gesture showing that we care and then People, you know, we encourage people all kind of people that could come to the conference So also a variety of topics. I think that also I also Mentioned by going UK because they're they're doing very well. So it's the example So I attend the conference and I think the main difference is because there's a variety of topics Of course different conference They have different, you know focus on what their audience are interested in but if you want to have a diverse of Audience then you should have a diverse of topics. So maybe more than in this in the industry topic like, you know Pi data for data science then maybe we could also talk a little bit more beyond that maybe education and other other things Also, I mentioned jungle girl workshop. It's amazing. It's doing very well, but that's this We can do more than that we could provide workshop. That's not just doing, you know using jungle Maybe we could provide like a beginner's workshop for data science or for other topics that, you know Also for easy for people to start learning learn to use Python and also maybe not limited to girls Maybe we should diverse it to, you know, maybe for For other gender minorities as well or even like it's a beginner's workshop Maybe we should think about a more advanced workshop for gender minorities because we we believe that it's not just, you know It kind of make people think that all the gender minorities they're beginners, but I believe it's not so maybe we could have other workshops as well Also, not just for the conference. We need to also encourage the diversity in the community. So For example, maybe we need more female in the leadership and contributors Mention before there's not enough female often like contributors in the Python community. So I know that I Didn't show it here, but I know that you know some see Python called developers. They they have some they you know, they provide mentorship for Gender minorities and then I think it's a very nice gesture and I really appreciate that and also Yeah, also because of academic fail. We see that most people who like the our users they came from maybe a Scientific background so in their academic work they use our so maybe we should also promote them to have an have a look Oh, that's actually like a better tour. There's Python is very popular in the industry and maybe you could consider using Python as well So maybe that's another way of having more diverse uses in the Python community So that's oh, yeah that's all I want to talk about and Of course, there's more and more that we should have discussed It's just you know a short talk and we don't have a whole day to discuss things But I created a survey that if you want to you can give me some feedback Then maybe in the future I can include that in in more discussions. So, um, yeah, please feel free to take a picture or knock down the the link and That's the end of my talk. Thank you very much and I really appreciate that you care. Thank you Thank you very much. We've got about three minutes for questions. I'd say Thank you for the talk and thank you especially for bringing the numbers to back up the the questions Something I've always wondered is in the Python community. We're very often looking at gender diversity Should we be looking at other axes of diversity? Now soon are we are we looking at the right thing is gender diversity where we should put so much attention Yeah, that's that's that's a very good question actually Yeah, of course, there's like more diversity that we have to care about I think it's not I totally agree that it's not limited to gender diversity It's just that because I am you know I'm running the meet-up group and I have a lot of women in Python that I have connection with that's why Today my main focus is that but of course we have to diverse like for example We if we want to like have more diversity of the like Let's say go to Python Africa. You can you know make the maybe the African community aware of Python as well You could also as I mentioned accessibility You know Accessibilities is also for everybody. It's not just gender diversity. So I think the concept is the same the diversity is like caring and want to include more people and how to Get them in and introduce this Python community to them too. So I think it's yeah I think is is we can use the similar attitude towards the other diversities as well. So Thank you very much for the talk I'm so I'm wondering are you gonna carry on the data collection and what are some interesting questions that you might want to answer Next so certainly as a hiring manager Those numbers do prove out in what I see anecdotally just scrolling through lists same same same same same and the interesting thing you point about the split between data science and It's and to try and find what I call a normal Python engineer for infrastructure that kind of thing That's a really interesting point. They'll be cool to investigate further. So question is a what other? Data points are you hoping to gather and are you gonna keep gathering points over the rest of the conferences that you attend this year next year? Yeah, I tends to of course I tends to get them more information, but I think at the same time If I want to carry out more kind of statistical study, of course, I need more resources But there's actually an endless questions that I could ask for example Even the question that I've asked since like, you know, maybe I did the same thing Next year for this year's conference. Maybe things already is already changing. So I think We have to always be you know on you know, really You know on our lookouts to see if things improving and maybe ask more other questions, for example, how many you know Women are using Python mainly in their work or something we can ask more questions as well. So that's a very good question And I think I would always, you know, this will be something that I'm always concerned about and I always want to know You know do more study and know more about and keep an eye on it Probably the last question from Daniela Thanks Chuck. And as a conference organizer We're always desperate to have more Diverse speakers. We're always delighted when there's a women's a woman speaker, especially one whose name We don't recognize who's new to us and it's always great to see a woman take a place for example on a technical board or in a leadership role and That's really nice, but these are kind of outliers and What's less visible is the vast number of people who are doing this in their daily Jobs and that actually makes much more difference to people I think than their appearance at a conference or being on a core team and The the figures for diversity and the number of women especially the number of women in senior positions in In the industry in employment How are we going to tackle that because that's Seems to be a much harder and much more fundamental question than for example providing childcare at a conference and I have no idea what we do about that. Do you have any thoughts? Yeah, that's a very very good point I think yeah, because in the conference is more easier to have an influence because Like you can have other measures to encourage women or provide things that they need for them at the conference But for work, of course Yeah, we have to I think it's like it's a very difficult Like you know steps you have to take like we have to maybe like let the companies know that you know Hiring in the diversity kind of concern is a very good thing for them And also we as I mentioned before there's a lot of actually there's a lot of women in data science I don't think like it's also like it's still in balance I don't think it's as in balance as the as you know, just maybe a software developer So but a lot of them choose to use our but not Python I think it's showing that you know, we can maybe Encourage more women to try to use Python at the work because like if for example in London, I believe that there's like people who are working of course like there's not that in balance, but Maybe we could also encourage You know We could always start at the very beginning because it's the pipeline where we could start thinking about how to encourage young girls to be Aspire to take like a STEM object or Going into like attack industry. So I think having a conference that Maybe you could also promote it to having some, you know, Outreaching to schools to young people. I think that's also very helpful that you know for organized For conference organizers and people who are involved in the conference could do so, yeah Well, thank you very much