 Any of you traveling to India anytime soon? Traveling anywhere anytime soon. Yeah, I'm playing by playing I mean I was a kid I'd like to take advantage of that. What is it 50 megabytes? India land in Seattle I'm doing that. I'm doing that thing again this year Tom. Oh, yeah. Yeah They asked me back. So I'm surprised. I'm like, oh, hey cool. That's awesome And um, Cory doctor was going to be there, which is pretty cool. Oh nice And one of the founders of the EFF who is just shooting for Awesome. I don't want to leave my house anymore That's the way I feel I'm like You know, I you know, there was an opportunity for me to come out to LA. I'm like, yeah I think I'm just gonna stay home. You know, I love it when you come out here. Oh, I know I love it too. But there might be some other traveling involved like my son wants to go see some places college-wise and I'm like well While I would love to go out to LA it'd be great, but Uh, it's I don't know. It seems kind of with a kid everything just gets complicated by like three times. So Wait till you have kids looking all over the country for their JC first two years I you I know snickering JC to first two years then you can transfer over to a four-year University. Yeah, I don't really know what he's gonna do. He's He wants to do art school So this is the great thing about at least in california. I don't know how well it works outside Um First two years immediately transferable to any uc or csv Um In the state so all the credits you build up all the courses you take is the transferable So you effectively are able to transfer over and get straight into your Without having to worry about taking all your uh pre Uh pre-requisites It's cheaper. I mean grand they'll be at home, but whatever. It's not like I want to keep here's the here's a here's the He wants to go to my one son wants to go to art school next year and we're looking at the numbers It's like there's no way so it's sort of ironic that He can't we can't pay for art school because his father is an artist So I find very uh, you know, yeah, there's poetic justice You should have used the model my dad was a doctor and whenever uh People would ask him or any or any of your kids going to go become doctors themselves. He would always say I won't let them Yeah Well in this in this case, he is an he's a really incredible artist and I think he could really benefit from it, but You know, I don't think he needs to go to art school. That's just my personal That's just my personal feeling. Is this old man an old man parolta Yeah, they don't go to art school kid. Well, I could teach him what he needs to know I could teach you what you need to know It's different than being a doctor. I can't teach him to be a doctor By the way on this last story with regards to like tech conferences. Oh, yeah I can actually give some we we actually have a client that works in commercial real estate In all of all over the state of california. I got some sort of insight on like that behavior with oh, that's great I was going to just ask you if you had observed anything having been in musconi, right? But um, but that's something that has to do with regards to the construction at musconi. So yeah Oh good. That's that's fantastic Yeah, I picked that I picked that story in part because you had just been there. So I figured no you might have some insight Well, I'll leave stuff for the show. But yeah, it's it's bizarre like when tom when's the last time you're up in san francisco Oh, it's it's been a year probably now. Oh, it's it will look bizarrely different Wow, it's it's not your year. I go up I'll be gone for a week because I you know lives out But I may not be here and all of a sudden I'll see something it's bizarre how things are changing Yeah, I'll be up there at the end of may for bacon Uh, and and I'll be staying with Veronica. I'm not sure if I'll get downtown or not to be honest, but I think I I actually think it was I mean I've been up to san jose a bunch of times because that's where eileen's sister lives But to get up into actual san francisco. I think it hasn't been since may or june So not quite a year. By the way, I'm assuming because of eileen's work. Does she come to san bruno? Oh, no, uh, she doesn't work at youtube anymore. So Oh, I didn't oh, that's recent. I'm sorry. I remember she posted something about that. She works at fandango. She's a NBC universal employee now I actually know one of the guys who does the pr for fandango harry medved. Do you know him? Oh, no, I don't I'll ask her I think that's the same or do you know what? I may be wrong on that. All let me double check I don't want to be speaking at a turn. Yeah, especially streaming live Uh, yeah, she uh, she started that in november. So Even when she was working for youtube though, she mostly just worked at la She never really went to san bruno. There were a couple of training things. She had to go up there for but not very often Cross your fingers hope this internet stays. Yep. Let's get going then Uh, you guys ready? Yep Sure We'll start here. We go three two one Well, that didn't work Stop that recording. What the heck? Why wouldn't that why didn't that work earlier? What's going on? It's really low Okay, at least I figured it out. Okay, here we go This show is brought to you by audience members like me not outside organizations to find out more Go to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for friday february 17th 2017. I'm tom merit Uh joining me today very happy to have david spark of spark media solutions does brand journalism for the tech industry and fresh Off of rsa. How's it going david? It's going great. I'm thrilled to be on your show again It seems like it's become a yearly event now rsa happens and and david springsforth I spring forth. Yeah, it's uh our eighth year that we covered the conference and uh, it uh, I will say it's changed a little bit Uh since that first time we went eight years ago Yeah, no different issues more people like all of the well, it's definitely a lot more people It's grown definitely more than double in size since eight years ago But the more importantly I you know, I go to a lot of conferences a lot of events street the security industry Changes more drastically on a year to your basis and I think any other industry Len pralta alongside as he usually is on fridays as well And uh, we saddled you with an esoteric concept again Hey, I am I bring it on is what I say bring it on. That's what I do Len illustrates the show if you're brand new to the show welcome Thank you for joining us and uh, Len will be uh, creating some art as we talk Uh, and make it available online for you to view and possibly buy if you want That's all coming up at the end of the show. Let's uh start off with a couple of Start stories here travelers to india Who are using the e visa program where you apply for your visa online We'll get free sim cards with a few minutes of talk time and 50 megabytes of data So you're not getting a lot But the program will start at new delis in diragandy international airport and eventually spread to 15 airports in the country So you land forgot to get a sim card You've got what now you'll have to pay to really fill it up and make a lot of use of it But they give you a few free minutes and megabytes to get started with that That's all part of prime minister modi's attempt to promote technology in india Reuters is reporting that softbank may pursue a merger of its sprint Property with deutschatella banks team mobile in april after a wireless auction with strict anti-collusion rules is over They can't really talk to each other until april softbank indicated it might consider allowing deutschatella bank to keep A majority stake in the combined entity something that softbank didn't want to do before Deutsche telecom had pretty much turned them down a couple of years ago. Now here are some more top stories Facebook CEO mark zuckerberg Posted a manifesto 5800 word letter or so on thursday to address one of facebook's most important questions As he put it are we building the world we all want? So he's setting his sights high zuckerberg described five new goals in depth To help users build communities that are supportive safe informed civically engaged And inclusive several times you refer to improving social infrastructure to achieve these various aims And he also discussed his concern about sensationalism and the need for facebook to help expose people to multiple perspectives Not just two sides of an issue Again, I know that he has said he doesn't want to become president But wow a 5800 word position paper Sure, again feels political in a way. Doesn't it david? Uh, yes a tadpra kind of presidential sounding, but uh, I don't think it has he You know, he's put things out opinion-wise in the past, but never anything of this kind of level of about how to sort of Join the community as well. So he definitely has not shown this behavior in the past and uh I I would like to see political aspirations And as we have seen that someone who has no political background can become president So it is very possible. It wouldn't be the first time. It probably isn't the last time It it is a very good read The fact that it's mark zuckerberg posting it on facebook about his product is what makes it odd Otherwise, it's a fairly uncontroversial look at hey, we're we're all in this together How do we make things better in the world? Here are some thoughts on the matter I mean, I I really like what he wrote. I don't agree with every single thing in here by by any stretch But but I like the the general idea of Hey folks, you know, we have all of this technology and all of these interconnections You know, and we're having a hard time dealing with them sometimes. How do we use that to make things better? it's this It's this part where he talks about wanting to build a better world And it's right there in the in the first paragraph on our journey to connect the world We often discuss products we're building and updates on our business today I want to focus on the most important question of all and in my head I'm reading the most important product of all the earth Like I kind of feel like facebook thinks of us all as their product Well, I mean they wouldn't have a product if they weren't for all of us and the sheer number of it But one of the things that I thought was interesting when you mentioned technology and he referenced Artificial intelligence and he made a sort of a reference to the fact that we often kind of skewed to the negative Of you know, when we want to use rather advanced technologies and and this is always always been kind of an aggravation that I have And it's not just technologies just like whenever you introduce something new people immediately go to what if this happened? What if you know, they immediately go to the fear of you know, the sort of the the the the catastrophic fear of something happening and Nate nature we won't be able to normal to sort of change people's innate nature of it But if we make people aware that we actually do that, you know, like you know how like we all kind of have behaviors that we know We do that we don't like But if we just kind of point this out like hey, just you know You kind of all do this every time we introduce something new you get kind of scared about it Just be aware you're doing it. It rarely if ever happens, but Just be aware. Yeah, he actually mentions the the old maxim and it's not something he invented But he mentions the maxim of we always overestimate what we can achieve in two years And underestimate what we'll achieve in ten years And and it kind of plays into what you're saying We we always overreaction to the the negatives of any new announcement And and sort of underestimate What the real risks might be I think and you and you've just had a week of that sort of thing at rsa, haven't you? Well, I would also just very quickly add that Like whenever I present about technology, I'll inevitably just get someone to raise their hand and go It literally with no sort of context or anything and just derail my conversation will go. Well, what about security? I'm like, well, what what about like yeah Like sometimes that's a great question if you're saying hey, here's a new internet of things device And it does this this and this and that what about security great question If you're talking about technology can change our world and someone says about security. It's like, yes The answer to that is yes, there should be security. Yeah Yeah, like I don't know where to start but yeah, by the way iot which was a although I wasn't as Aware of it iot was a very big issue at uh at rsa this year because I'm sure you've reported on a lot There's a lot of insecure iot devices out there. Oh, yeah, no, you ain't kidding AT&T announced thursday It will no longer require a tv service subscription in order to get its unlimited wireless data plan Single line now costs a hundred dollars up to 180 dollars for four lines Customers can use up to 22 gigabytes before becoming subject to occasional slower data speeds You just get put to the back of the line if the node gets busy essentially AT&T does not provide tethering with its unlimited plan So this is a cascade that began when verizon announced unlimited data for its customers t-mobile Which already does unlimited data then increased the Quality of the video you can get on its unlimited plan and added a tethering Option and now AT&T is getting into the fray too. I mean david this is this is actually the The result of real competition in action Yeah, isn't isn't that kind of nice? That like competition is forcing changing in pricing I mean before we went on a arrow talking about like this is the one thing we all can talk about and and get aggravated about it equally and The thing that was an AT&T by the way was the biggest loser on on this conversation of dollar poor per megabit I remember seeing charts that you know the ones who delivered the sort of the best price per megabit being pushed for I believe Comcast was pretty much high up there and an AT&T was down there below I mean I used to be getting AT&T and paying the same price as everybody else But I was getting 12 down and 1.5 up. Yeah Yikes, I'm getting a little better now. I have actually believe it or not municipal cable. My town has municipal cable How many towns, you know still have municipal cable? Mine does And so that's how I get my internet. Yeah, well And that's the problem right when you're talking wired internet like you are right now And and you want you want internet usually you only in the united states You only have an option maybe you have to With wireless though on a nationwide scale. We have four competitors now We just heard that soft bank and Deutsche telecom might be talking about eliminating one of those and I don't like that idea Granted sprint is not doing well And so, you know It's hard to imagine why you wouldn't want to sell sprint if your soft bank or merge it or whatever But t-mobile was supposed to merge with AT&T That merger was not approved and t-mobile went on to become from the back of the pack They were fourth behind sprint at the time a very competitive Entity so it's not impossible for sprint to do the same thing. I would like to see that play out Well, that would be interesting like ironically I used to actually work for sprint many many years ago working doing advertising for them and And I will just tell you know, I can't speak for AT&T or t-mobile the others, but you know, they are a big Moving organization and so it's kind of hard to get things, you know rolling And everybody has a John Legere who's willing to just go up and swear their way back into competition Thing is that they they you know t-mobile had this sort of uh, this sort of forceful CEO that kind of had this um And uh, it was like all right like there was a sense that they could spin on a dime I mean, I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that but that was sort of the brand that they were putting out there Yeah, well, and I think it shines a lot on one of the other problems here Which is it's very difficult to enter these kinds of markets You don't see a lot of companies fighting to become the new entry into wireless In any market but then not just the united states And if I were a regulatory agency, I would focus on Improving the conditions for that what can you do to make it easier For competition to enter at the market because if sprint is just not going to be able to survive For whatever reason that would be okay If there was another entrant like us cellular maybe or one of the regionals or one of the mvno's Who could climb their way up beyond them? But what we look at is oh well if sprint can't compete it needs to merge with somebody else and reduce the number of entrants That is true and the the other thing I was just thinking is that you know We have a new president who's very pro deregulation and could that? I don't know if he's spoken specifically about the telecom industry But I know he just sort of generally talks about how he wants to deregulate a lot so Into decisions here as well Yeah In video will supply the tokyo institute of technology with gpu's to power the subame 3.0 super computer taking over from the subame 2.5 The subame 3.0 will launch this summer powered by several pascal based nvidia tesla p100 gpu's It is expected to reach 12.2 petaflops of double precision performance And it will be used for artificial intelligence purposes mainly in both education and research applications They'll be doing that for tokyo tech as well as for private sector use You can rent this thing out if you have the funds and the need Got any uh, super computer applications you've been waiting to run david Uh, no actually none whatsoever. I the the Petaflop does not even enter my lexicon at all. Yeah, I you know There's there's a a sector of people out there who are super computer fans And I love to rank these and keep an eye on who's leading China has lately been leading in super computer rollouts The united states is very strong and japan is is a tough fighter there as well I think the other angle on this. It's really interesting is nvidia Becoming the de facto chip maker For this level of computer. I mean it's it's that is impressive Like you just don't hear them in those discussions until now Fortune reports a source told it friday that apple will start having iphone se's assemble at a plant in bangalore india Which would likely be the wishtron plant wishtron does assemble phones has contacts with apple and wishtron has been previously in previous leaks Uh, rumored to be the one that would do this makes sense sources also told the economic times of india that apple plans for 300 to 400 Thousand se handsets to be assembled in india writer sources had reported a lower number So whether that's just a difference in the sources or a change in the approach We don't know and apparently apple won't Not do this if it doesn't get a tax break it would like a tax break in india for for building locally But it sounds like again what the sources are saying that they plan to go ahead either way And that would be important because they do want to have locally assembled products that they can sell in an apple store Because india has limits on the number of foreign Sourced parts components that you can sell in a single branded store like apples And is the intention to manufacture them there and sell them there like these are not going to be exported I suppose they could be exported. But yeah, the the the main point is we're making them here and selling them here for sure It's a it's a it's a way for apple to get into that indian market Which if they want to improve those iphone sales, that is the next market They they certainly have a lot of work to do in china still To to build that but they are they have at least entered that market india is a market where they sell They sell iphones in india, but they haven't been able to really crack the market And certainly part of cracking the market is being able to have apple stores there Uh, we wondered yesterday if there was anything more than price and convenience to the decision by apple to move It's w w d c conference from san francisco to san jose this year wendy lee and trisha tharani at san francisco chronicle wrote an article Examining what those reasons might be Especially considering the google moved io from san francisco to mountain view last year and this year facebook is moving f8 From san francisco to san osa one reason particular to this year's w w d c dates is that the musconi center is expanding And has had to shut down its north and south halls For the work from april to august now musconi west is usually where w w d c is but that limits the amount of space available It makes it more competitive and it's also just not nice when you have a bunch of work being done San francisco travel association does say it hasn't seen a decline in spending for conventions and meetings in san francisco and doesn't expect one So even if apple and google and facebook aren't doing conferences there the the shoe salesman and the dentistry associations and the waste management conferences Might be making up the slack. I don't know uh david you were just there at musconi. Do you have any insights on this? So just i have a handful of General insights one is i do know the construction is disrupting things and so this is i think is just a temporary thing like For example the vm world conference was also in san francisco and they moved to los vegas This most recent year and as i understand for two more years because of this construction. They'll be in los vegas But you know when i heard vm world moved because of the construction and then i saw dream force which is way bigger I mean that's a six figure audience that goes to dream force. It's insanely huge and then i believe oracle open world Is staying there and like uh larry ellison's kind of been committed to san francisco like never ever leave So i don't think he's gonna ever go but the other thing just in general of san francisco And i was talking to you before about you know, have you been to the city yet? Out of control all over the city the you know the sales force tower Which is currently now the biggest building in the city bigger than trance america. That's going to be done at the end of this year There's so many more office buildings that are being done in 2018. I mean there's so much just population moving here That you could feed events at musconi with the population that's coming here. I mean it you know a lot of times nation Uh to try to bring a population to a maybe a less attractive area Or an area that can handle the volume of people But I think what the big problem is is that with all this new construction? You're gonna have two huge issues number one being there is not enough housing. I mean housing's a big issue, but uh This building's going up people are gonna have to live somewhere where they're gonna work And that's gonna be another uptick. So watch into 2017 and 2018 major housing and then also While san francisco supposedly is like I think the highest capital or highest number of restaurants per capita kind of a thing I think they're gonna need a lot more. Yeah Well, that's one of the attractions right is oh, we'll have our conference in san francisco Even if we're down in san jose, which if people don't understand san jose is about an hours drive from san francisco It can be more than an hour traffic, but that's you know, it'll be double that time Yeah, it's an hours drive on on an empty road and and So the idea is like well, it's not that far and you have the beautiful san francisco bay and the golden gate bridge and and restaurants galore And if it becomes and this is where I was going if it becomes a three hour drive because of traffic Because of transit backups if you can't get into the restaurants because it's too crowded and there's too many people there Then it becomes less of an attractive option For a tech company that wants to bring its conference in And has most of its employees down on the peninsula at san jose and everyone else coming in from out of town anyway Yeah, it's well, it's you know, there's no doubt about it. There is a cachet to being in san francisco I mean, I've been to san jose conferences and it doesn't have quite the bazaars of being in san francisco. There's no doubt about it So, you know, it's If you know the big players who have money galore like rsa like dreamforce are going to stay The ones who are going to become more cost-conscious are going to leave Well, an apple isn't necessarily cost-conscious, but they are definitely control conscious They are environment conscious and they're building a brand new campus that's going to have an auditorium in it Uh, they may decide that they just want to hold these things in that brand new campus because they spent all the money on Yeah, well, yeah, yeah apple's a much. I mean, I would say google's probably in the same boat as them being more control Hey, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines.com That's a look at our top stories right now Let's talk a little bit about what you saw at rsa david, uh starting with scale, uh, one of the things you were hearing people talk about and david For people want to know was was out talking to people at the conferences both rsa and b-sides I would say getting the temperature of the room Talked to hundreds of people at the conference lots So what was what was uh, and and some of the trends you've identified one of them was scaling What were some of the things you were hearing about the ability to scale security? So this so this is not a new issue. Let me let me start with that the the need to scale security because The the problem of security has become so big and has grown so exponentially that it's You can't throw enough money or bodies at the problem to solve it. It's just impossible So what can we do to be smarter about how we do security? And um, the big thing that came up, I mean We'll get into sort of how to staff people in a second But the big issue of machine learning and artificial intelligence see years ago you know Companies get hammered with thousands and thousands of sort of attempted attacks onto a network And the big thing is I don't need to know all the attempts. I just need to know if someone actually broke in So they triggered an alert Bees that came out like trip wire being one of them a company we actually worked with for a while that that Told you about the alert came up But now what's happening is the alerts are so intense. There's so many alerts that are happening that now And there's not enough people to look at the alerts now you need more education around the alerts themselves Well, it's a big data problem, you know, you need to sift through the alerts So so you just hit the nail on the head because so big data was not as prevalent about six years ago As we are today and also we have the the the disk space and the compute power to deal with that so because of just that More context can be put up on alerts and now it becomes Uh an easier job for someone who has some security Uh training to look at this stuff and make sense of it. So that's the one thing the other issue With regards to scaling is Cisco came out with the reports that said we are one million people deficient worldwide in A security personnel now that number is way way higher now But it's just kind of a number that they threw out there, but it's clear We're way deficient on security professionals. You just can't hire that many people that quickly, you know, you just can't train So how do you solve that problem? Making security only the security teams problem it's kind of everybody's problem And and where we saw that more is we saw elements. Uh, there was this whole area at rsa We're specifically training kids and teenagers about security and also Training the elderly on security, which I thought was very interesting something They had actually started either last year or the year before but now it's now becoming even more more prevalent So you do a little machine learning around these alerts to figure out which ones you need to pay attention to And then you do more training by the way a lot of vendors were claiming them And you do a lot of training of people to say hey Here's how you make sure you don't let someone in by opening an attachment or getting fished or this or that That is one of the main and yeah, I mean You know, have you had a family member that's ever been fished or got nailed? I mean my mom unfortunately got hit by something and it was one of those things where Just after it happened. She called me And told me what happened. It was like one of those things where I put my head down I was like, yeah, all right. We got to melt that computer Well, and it happens to everybody And in fact, that's one of the the big ways that that the other trend one of the other trends I would have talked about Has has risen to such prominence ransomware is someone usually opens a piece of malware by accident Or clicks on a link that installs the malware and then it locks up the system You were telling me that They're it's bigger than ever ransomware. It's huge And that there are there are new vectors Yeah, so the whole thing with with ransomware for those earn where it essentially encrypts all your data and says if you want your data back You pay me now. Here's the part that's That's bizarrely scary of it The whole the the whole vector of making money from hacking in general was really around credit cards And the whole credit card hacking thing is actually a rather manually intensive process of You actually have to get cards verified. You actually have to test some things like that ransomware is actually 100 automated thanks to bitcoin. You could set up a bitcoin account There are kits here for ransomware. You just set it up It's literally a set it and forget it and you watch money roll in Uh, now I should mention you, you know, they put up a ransom and you pay to get it decrypted Maybe maybe not. You know, it depends on that they were on that you're playing on hope right there So I had heard about this story last year of the last year this year I would say like 40 because I was interviewing people actually I was doing some videos for silence who makes a anti malware Uh product and I was asking people just about bad malware stories And I would say good 40 of the people I talked to had a ransomware story It is and and we're talking on the individual basis Up to corporations like I heard one story of a whole hospital getting taken down because of ransomware I mean that literally we're now at life threatening moments. Yeah Well, okay when spam was at its peak the smart attackers were moving on to credit cards When credit cards were at its peak the smart attackers were moving on to ransomware. I'm oversimplifying obviously What are the smart attackers doing so that we can keep an eye out for that? So this one's a doozy and I was talking to a guy by the name of Scott Borg who's the director and chief economist essentially the CEO of the us cyber consequences unit and for years Uh, I think like a dozen years They have been predicting the next trend in security and to kind of an amazing level of accuracy too And what he talked about which I found incredibly fascinating is You're going to see more attacks that are directly against our financial markets now Maybe and not necessarily direct but may I said the word direct but actually indirect so he claims that There are people who actually shorted Airline stocks before the al Qaeda attacks on 9 11 What you're going to see is more cases where people are going to be shorting things before they do attacks to actually make money from our financial markets and that is going to be and tracking that and trying to find that will be close to impossible And more importantly while like the ransomware and telling you about you can make a few hundred dollars instead of pop here We're we're talking like millions and millions are going to be garnered from this and those will be far more sophisticated attacks and uh, you will see Um, a lot more of that happening. So that that's the big thing we have to watch out for and that could be financial Eccripling for all of us like one attack could Take down, you know a financial market for that matter Sure, sure. So there's the fallout of the of the effects of the attack itself and then there's the market fallout Of of people nefariously trying to short Which is basically you're betting on on the fall of a stock in that case And they know it's going to fall because they know they're the ones who are going to make the value fall when they do the attack Uh, and that's hard to detect. It's not impossible to detect But it's hard to detect because people short things all the time because they think they know what's going to happen That's why there's a market for it. And so just because someone is shorting something doesn't mean an attack is coming It's it's going to be difficult to tell when something's being shorted because of market intelligence and when it's being shorted because of a nefarious actor You summed it up beautifully tom. My god well, it's it's it's that that's crazy and That brings up the the bruce schneyer warning about the internet of things and distributed denial of service attacks As being even more important if you didn't already think it was important because I would say one of the big vectors, right? Yes, so one malware story I heard and unfortunately when I was interviewing people about malware stories They only could give me sort of little snippets of information But as I like to say I refer to rsa is the scare of the crap out of me festival because I learned something every year about Can get attacked and here's the thing and you probably remember the remember a few years back tom where Not getting attacked meant just being smart. Yeah about being online. Just don't click on anything. Those days are long Yeah, yeah those days like everyone is susceptible Those days are so long over But the one story that I heard and again, I unfortunately I don't know the full details of it But a story of an iot device that was able to push information to a desktop and specifically They targeted someone with child pornography to try to implicate them And that story I have not heard before and it was through an iot device So it was it was they were they were done To let me make sure I get this straight. It was someone who didn't have that on their drive But they were putting it there to to they were planned to get there to frame their planning on somebody's So the person who received it now had to try to explain that's not mine. I didn't put it there, which you know Right. Yeah, I mean that's that's not an easy thing to get yourself out of yeah And you know by the way, I tried to push for more answers and I could not get more answers out of this but it was By the way, the things were cleared, but jeez. I mean, how do you get off of that stick? Come on, that ain't easy real quickly One of the other things you brought up was the cyber security poverty line So as these attacks get more sophisticated defending against them gets more sophisticated What's the minimum you need to have in in order to? exist safely so That varies whether you're an individual Or whether you're a corporation and the sad reality is small to medium-sized businesses have to Kind of to do the same thing like an enterprise has to do so They may not have either the people or the money to protect themselves appropriately But um by the way, I should quote uh, wendy nether of duo security She's the one who came up with this term the security poverty line And there are a lot of people below it simple basic things that the individual can do is There is installed make sure you know your definitions are up to date But more importantly have backups and have off-site backups too as well I mean that is kind of a good thing I should also mention one of the stories I heard about ransomware And it's not as prevalent as because most of them are usually just immediate attacks But sometimes they do sit dormant and let you make multiple backups. So when they do trigger Many versions of your backups are also encrypted. So you got to defend your backups as well I know it's I All right, what the last thing I have to ask you before we move off of this topic and get into something a little lighter hopefully You wrote assuming usb charging ports are just that I never do I always assume that usb charging ports are nefarious Is that is that paranoid? You know, I I didn't even I'm glad you think of that already because it didn't dawn on me into someone else mentioned because there were At the security conference there were usb charging ports everywhere there are usb charging ports all over your airport as well and Who knows what's behind that car and thing you could literally plug your phone into something that's just going to spit a spit something right onto your Computer or or your phone for that matter, you know And don't just think oh well, it's in a public space Who's going to you know mess with this when I was at the black hat conference There were skimmers being put on soda vending machines for your credit cards everywhere. I mean, yeah, it's it's extraordinarily common to hack physical devices in public spaces Yeah, it's not difficult to plant the stuff and if you want to if you want to use those Uh The thing to do is to get a charge only cable a cable that doesn't transmit data So that if you want to plug into it all it's doing is sending current you you can get those kinds of cables for you And by the way, that was one of the little like freebie freebie giveaways at rsa the little adapters Sure, that's what they were telling you they were Hey, uh, uh, thanks everybody who participates at our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news Show dot reddit.com a few things before we're out of here MA wcs he's mike, but we'll call mox Was listening to our episode. We were talking about the skype hangout scenario and he has sent this to me before He wanted to mention jitsi at j i t dot s i He says, I think this meets all your needs Just send someone a link to video conference check auto switching check live stream to youtube This is the part I didn't realize check it handles your recording Uh screen sharing check password protection share youtube videos share whiteboard raise hands A lot of things that we don't even need on this show, but but you might be interested in you hangouts used to have this But it disappeared. It's great for webinars forums or patreon roundtables the raising hand thing Plus of course text chat, uh, and it's open source. So you can check it out at j i t dot s i He's also got a test chat, uh that he put out there, uh, if you if you want to jump into that as well So thank you mox. I we will be trying this out My my last remaining question about jitsi is who handles the bandwidth because one of the nice things about hangouts Is that google's handling all the bandwidth? So for instance david, uh, is in a friend's house right now Which is very nice of the friend to allow you the bandwidth But that that situation might not allow for all of the streaming But he doesn't have to worry about that because google's handling all the streaming Send your pics to the service on school. I'm going to check it out as well Send your pics to us at feedback at daily tech news show dot com A couple other things here rich straffolino Who'll be on the show on tuesday by the way said in theory? I like the idea of having job postings on my company's facebook pages My problem is that I don't trust what happens to my public profile when I interact with something on facebook If I don't want my current employer to know i'm job hunting I'd be very hesitant to like a job post for fear that it would tip off someone from work The problem is that facebook encourages you to be friends across your work and personal life And it's not even that I think facebook is overlooking this i'm sure they've engineered ways to make it discreet It's just that the weird alchemy of how the news feed works is so opaque I have a hard time being sure it won't come back to bite me So this is in regards to facebook page is allowing for job listings sort of taking a little bit of of linkedin's Thunder away. Would would you worry david about posting or liking a job posting on facebook? uh, I wouldn't uh, I guess Do that, you know, because my feeling is if I like some a job posting unless it was exactly my kind of title type thing Uh, why would I actually like something if I'm trying to get the job? You know, I mean, I'd probably want to bury it as much as possible. So I wouldn't get so much competition so I would actually You know that that would actually Determine someone to believe that I'm actually going for that job If I'm liking it, I want my friends to get the job. Interesting. So I wouldn't worry it so much Matt that wrote in with something I hadn't thought of he said he heard us talk about the gig economy And couldn't figure out what uber or task rabbit had to do with the number 1000 Because he was thinking in the terms of gig as in gigabyte As in meaning a thousand not gig as in a freelance job Contractor gig sort of thing. Uh, and so he was he was like I figured it out now But I wonder how many other people were confused by that. I hadn't even thought of it matt That's that's funny. That's a good point It didn't literally he and mentioning it now was the first time I thought gigabyte. I actually thought Getting a gig because I used to actually work as a stand-up comic and we referred to them Well, there you go. See those of us who have done gigs before went there, but you're yeah, no, you're absolutely right I could absolutely see that Alley can Fayetteville, Arkansas works as an engineering design Program works as an engineer designing programming and implementing industrial automation He says as you and Justin brought up 3d printers have really found their place in the enterprise world And as you pointed out internet of things devices are heading that way as well From my vantage point in the trenches the industrial internet of things or as it's sometimes called industry 4.0 Has been around long before it was branded that really since the advent of ethernet industrial protocol Industrial automation has had the ability to be networked data recorded Reported etc between all of that a VPN and a network of cameras I can run about half of the plant from my smartphone at home What will prevent internet of things industrial internet of things from penetrating the way 3d printers have are the costs associated with Implementation they're great products. They can automate a lot of material that tasks that aren't terribly expensive But they aren't tolerant to variation Take something as simple as sorting boxes on a conveyor to different exits based on shipping method If you have more than one box size, how do you handle that? If the boxes spin on the conveyor gets set on the conveyor crooked Or my favorite the qr code that the iiot scanner is looking for is folded halfway over the corner of the box and can't be Read this leads to automating label placement buying new conveyor components to orient boxes Or an absurd number of scanners to see every side of the box all of which get expensive Sorry for the lengthy email But this is something I deal with every day and see conference flyers all the time with at least 25 of their 25 percent of their classes with iiot in the title so He also says side note. Where's the blazer you've been wearing the past few weeks from? I don't know. I'll have to get back to you on that one. Um, I'll take it off after the show But this iiot thing Sounds like a job for machine learning Yeah, well, I mean I would assume pretty much all iot is kind of a job for machine learning That's assuming assuming you have a network iot environment that is Well, and that's what ibm is trying to push with watson They're saying we've got the brain back there that could figure out when that box Is in the wrong orientation and get get the robots and the sensors to fix it Exactly. Yeah Uh, and then finally in episode 2968 rick rich rich rather from lovely cleavan suggested that amazon Might have bought chime partly to ensure demand for amazon web services as a hedge against a possible drop In demand for utilization from others and scott thought that was probably true Our e-mailer says nah I can see it sounds plausible as an idea a lot like the urban legend that amazon originally started aws to make use of Machines that were only busy during holiday shopping But in both cases these theories get the size and shape of the market wrong The capacity of these services is orders of magnitude greater than any use amazon companies can make of them ourselves We are a tiny fraction of the total demand. I assume by time by we he means amazon's retail operation twig size Not hedge size So I didn't realize it's so small but Do you get a lot of calls or conversation from your audience about About sort of the competitiveness around amazon web services or whether they look somewhere else or is it just Because there's this whole sort of trend that everyone's just sort of defaulting to aws for for getting their sort of on-demand compute Yeah, I I haven't got a lot of feedback on that But it does seem to be the case that it's aws Unless you've gotten approached or pushed or had some particular niche operation Which required you to use somebody else and then it's microsoft azure or google most of the time And rack space unfortunately has not been doing but they've been sort of losing ground and what I have learned also HPE Will be actually who had a cloud service before as I understand shut it down But it now looks like they're going to try to come out and be competitive again. So That is to be seen Well, thank you david spark for being seen on our show Spark media solutions.com of course the place to to catch up with david and anything else to let folks know about Obviously, you've got a lot of rsa content Yeah, I gotta yeah That was sort of the big thing I just want to plug the fact that I did a lot of shooting for the electronic frontier foundation Which i'm assuming a lot of the people here are great supporters of and what was very very nice was when I was at the security b-sides conference, which essentially Is just before rsa The the love and the warmth towards eff is enormous at rsa I would say only about maybe 40 of the people knew the eff. Wow I would assume most of them would know them. So that's interesting. Yeah, no It was kind of shocking how low 100 with b-sides and also I should mention that EFF always it kind of has a table at at the b-sides events But yeah much lower percentage was aware of it Anyways, we're gonna be pumping on some fun stuff all about digital privacy people's opinions of digital privacy So that watch out for that on the eff youtube channels. All right, check that out Would be youtube.com. I don't know slash eff. I'm gonna guess. I think it's you to have electronic frontier foundation foundation, you know dts has the same problem We have to be daily on youtube because those those short letters they got snapped up a long time ago So, yeah, I think i'm not 100% sure just search electronic frontier foundation on youtube. You'll find it I subscribe to the channel, but it's not available now. We're working on the videos. We're working all right So go find the channel subscribe and then the videos will show up Exactly if you subscribe now, you'll finally see them. Exactly. Thank you. Len Peralta for illustrating the scariest image you've done in a while Yes, it is a little bit scary. You know at the beginning you issued a challenge saying very esoteric I I say said bring it on. I love esoteric You guys talked about ransomware, which I kind of picked up on and wanted to do something a little bit editorial a little bit interesting This I feel could be something if there was an article about ransomware Would be kind of an interesting little image. Um, no that that looks like a lego man that's been tied up A little bit, you know, it's hard, you know, if you look at the usb drive It's got these two little eyes that I've kind of showcased in the past. Oh, yeah Yeah, yes, but the usb drive tied up in a chair and it totally captures how I would feel if I got Exactly a little bit scary Well, that was the thing is I was talking to people who who actually personally got attacked and just It's just that invade that personal invasion. Just I It just it seems so insane and so frustrating. Yeah And by the way, I got the combination responses. Some people paid Some people actually use public decryption software and we were able to get it and some people just let it go Oh, wow, they just abandoned the data. That's crazy. It's diabolical for sure. Yeah Yeah Well, folks, uh, I highly highly encourage you to go check out this image because it really lend you did Yeah, I did yourself. It really captures. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's at lend per alt store.com couple things You may want to look on the front of the page Uh, it's some new art there that has just been put up that I did this week Uh, two kind of two new pieces that are in the fine art chiclay And also I want to mention in two weeks I'll be in Seattle for convey you x if you're going to be out there for the user experience Not convention. It's a it's a seminar called convey you x I'll be drawing live Wednesday and Thursday Wednesday March 1st Thursday March 2nd 16 hours of live drawing do it every year And I'll be doing it online too. So you may want to be able to check it out But if you're out there come by and say hello Big thanks to everybody who supports the show at patreon.com slash dtns Including otay bob Bruce pulley and thanks to andrew steward who just raised his pledge If you would like to join them and you have it already head to patreon.com slash dtns Our email addresses feedback at daily tech news show.com. We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alpha geek radio.com and diamond club.tv and our website is daily tech news show.com Daily tech headlines in your feed on monday off for president's day here in the u.s But back on tuesday with rich straffolino. Talk to you then Good show you guys Thank you very much tom. Thank you roger. Thank you Hey, no problem Are you wait do you I said You don't live in the city still do you Dave or do you live like No, no, I live we moved five years ago out. We're not east bay. We're uh down in san bernum. I live uh Uh, I live just south. We live we actually live way up in the hills Like if you're you're flying in and landing and you hit the The runway and you look up to the hills. That's where we are. Oh nice. Yeah Cool, so but you're you're in the city aren't you roger? No, I just moved down to uh, uh, la In december. Oh my god, I didn't oh wow. Um, we're in los angeles. Sorry, uh, you're uh, glendale So it's basically next to burbank. Oh, it's a very nice area. I know it well Yeah, it's uh, like you were talking about how, uh, all those people not enough housing. Well I have a kid In the father and mom and that's why you you so i'm sorry That's why you you you moved was because the lack of housing is sure lack of housing Father-in-law was moving out from new jersey and wanted to be somewhere that was warm no snow and Also, it's a lot easier for me to find producing work Yeah, well, it's uh Yeah, you know, everyone talks that here's a big thing everyone here marked my word Here's my prediction everyone talks about how bad the housing is right now Wait till there's going to be two upticks the end of this year and the end of 2018 because it's when all that construction Of all that office buildings finish in san francisco It's it's going to get really really nasty I'm wondering if daily city Because daily city has always been kind of the redheaded stepchild of the bay area in terms of Of living right people move out to pacifica before they'll move to daily city. Well, well same thing with my town but our our, um So i'm in san bruno and within the first couple of years. I mean our place has gone up, you know 50 percent in value. I mean it's insane How much things have driven up? I mean, it's it's kind of crazy how house How insane price but yet, you know, I expect the pricing of everything to go up But you know, there's a limit, you know, I mean like you can't just keep driving prices up because people are only going to generate So much but then again Up for everybody as well. Who knows Oh land you just hear I got to share your image. I see awesome All right, so uh show titles What do we got roger? ellipses, but what about security? I'll follow it up with that's definitely my favorite hyphen t to kind of show the conglomeration of uh sprint and the t-mobile Price and moscone has has san francisco beat atv at and tv that's pretty funny Scaling is good armor against cyber threats Protect yourself digitally. There's a lot. There's a lot of insecure iot things out there So uh first malware then ransomware is blackmail where next? well Yeah, well black that's that's essentially the blackmail where that's just the uh, let me say the uh, the story about the child pornography That's pretty much the only protection. The only protection is to live like ned flanders I like that This is literally the answer. I mean, that's the only way you can never like Simple life You don't have a lot of technology just the spare minimum Can't hack my smartphone if all I have is a feature flip phone I like david spark reports on the scare the crap out of me festival the scare the crap enemy It's too long, but it's good. We just say the scare the crap enemy festival I actually say you can put a star make it the scare the I really say the scare the shit out of me festival is what I say. Yeah, yeah Um Because that's literally what it does We just but it's like it's really it's one of those things where you just hear all these stories. You're like, no No, really Now I got something new to worry about like great So uh last night I got to see a preview screening of Logan Uh, but I was required not to mention it until 130 pacific So now I can mention it. How many minutes beforehand didn't you? Uh, yeah before we went live. I I mentioned it to you guys. So it was great Uh, it was really really good. So in the in the panoply of the comic book movies Uh, where do you rank it above or below whom? It's hard to compare it to the original avengers movie because it's just different But it is up there in my top And it's certainly in my top 10 I'd have to really sit down and think about it if I put it in my top five But I would consider it for sure. It's cool It's a story about family It's a story about You know a person who's aging and anyone who has taken care of an older parent Uh or and also had a child Is is going and any of those experiences is going to see That element in a superhero story Okay, the whole like and I know this is taking from the comic books But the whole idea of a superhero who's aging who still has powers But those powers aren't as quite as strong as they used to be Is just something I've never seen on in a movie told that way before What's interesting because wolverine has been aging for like the past 30 years in marvel comics Like he and part of it is just you know, the whole mutant healing factor supposed to allow Because he's an old guy. He's a little bit around since world war two as an adult Um, and so it's it's very interesting because they make it more crotchety, but he's supposedly physically the same So it's a very well this I guess it's based on the Logan comic itself All right, uh, I haven't read that but from what I've heard is the idea there is that he you know He he finally is yeah, he's been he's taken a lot longer to age But he's finally getting old and he's I don't want to they go into part of the reasons of why that's happening In the in the in the movie Well, I am look I am looking forward to it. We just have to uh do it during school hours pretty much what our kids are That's the thing I joke I go I stop looking rotten tomatoes because I almost never get to go out and see a film Having two little ones Roger you how old is yours? She just turned two Well, congratulations. What's your name? Eloise but ellie for short well Well, we have we have a three and a six-year-old ourselves and uh, although Well, I can take them. I'm gonna probably take them to the lego batman movie. Have you guys seen that yet? No, I haven't heard that's great, too You've seen it tom No, I haven't but I've heard it's great. Yeah, I heard it's great. So Uh, I'll I'll most definitely be taking them to bed. Maybe we'll do that Tonight or no, I'm not tonight tomorrow. Maybe we'll do it tomorrow We'll see. All right guys. Thank you so much for having me on the show. Thank you, david Take care. Have a good time. I'm telling you today tell megan and jason. I say hello Megan's not there. I'm filling in for her. Oh, you're filling in for megan. Oh, we'll tell jason She's not uh, she's gonna be out All right. Well, don't tell her anything because she won't be there I won't say anything. Okay. All right. That's bad. Take care. Bye. I'm gonna log off too All right. Thank you. All right. Take care guys. It's a title Oh, uh, you know what? I just went ahead and went with but what about security security. Good. I like it I want to see that on a hard cover emphasis on the butt All right, we'll see you guys later. All right. Take care. Have a good weekend, man. You too. Bye Well, it held up. That's good. Yeah Knock on wood so far so good because it was up before Two times and they both times they went back down So i'm wondering if they were fixing the line testing and then had to bring it back All I know is it's working. I don't want to I don't want to jinx it All right. Well, thanks everybody for watching. It's raining like crazy here now again It's it's gotten more windy or i'm sorry more windy. It's gotten windier and rainier And so i'm gonna batten down the hatches See you on Tuesday Tuesday Talk to you later