 we gonna talk we gonna have big shit big shit big shit it's a unique hustle nigga big shit big shit big shit name another podcast like this we're gonna bring it to the table boss talk check it check it check it it's a unique house issue boy he's CEO and I'm here with the lovely official miss Jamaica what's going on man we out here in Los Angeles man enjoying the air like it's a new either hot or either you cold you I hear me they got it going on man say man we got a special guest man don't really need no introduction you've seen it man hey every time you think about I think about something different than other people I think about entrepreneurship because when you really look at it that's what we all about you know what I'm saying my guy freeway is in the house man freeway the real boss man how you doing man this man I knew that if I was gonna come and do a interview in California you know I mean I have we've been in a few places together and I knew you there are senior passing and magic a few years back and I was like man I didn't have it I just had this podcast six months right okay so I was bringing young kids out and showing them how to do business and you know go to trade show and show them how to start their own store me and my wife that's lovely but then I seen you and that's when you were pushing me campaign that book a lot right yeah the books was really like it was the main subject at that time and I know since then you got into a lot of other things as I you know start to research yes yeah I think I don't think you can be I think it's a staple in time you know what I'm saying like like like it helps people to like you you know you know I'm old you know the books man you go back and look at books from time up to time right and you are you can always cap the history now it's so to be that you go right who knows they got some books have been around for hundreds of years so books is a way of leaving your mark you know society so society but if I think things sometimes have changed where books is concerned because everything is console digital right now so before everything was you know literally books everybody right now I mean I love audio books I would not pick up a physical book to read because I'm always on the go so I prefer to listen to while I'm driving doing other things I like the most and I remember books that I read when I was a kid now searching for those books you can hardly find them they'll tell you whether it's only one copy left over here you have to search you know it might be in another state that's the only way you can find it so some what books get missing I mean they could but you know with this DNA if it's a good book it'll be like my book you can find so thousands of them they'll be around and I believe it's gonna sell millions you know right now people really mostly hustlers stay understand and they're looking for a certain message the people who at least likely to buy it for the people who don't have any money and when I say broke I don't mean financially broke but I mean mentally and what you're saying yes that could be true I'm in it they are at books my book is probably one day you know I tell people all the time because I want to go sign a hundred thousand books right one right how many copies you print and after a while you can't find it looks as like what you said and people will be searching for them because if it's a case where someone say the next 50 60 years from now and they're looking for your book because they heard it's such a great book and they can receive a certain message from it they might have to go and buy it from somebody else who has it yeah my publishing company will keep publishing it keeps striking as long as the business goes well somebody will keep printing they only stop printing when they don't sell how many other books do you have in store how many books do I have in store now yeah no how many more books you attempt to write I wrote this book this book was wrote for a friend of mine a coldy crutch who acted if you could ride around with me for six months and for those six months right around with me documenting my principles and put my book what we did together I don't know he's writing a book at first I don't think he even write a book when he's just taking notes okay all the means I don't know what I'm talking to him I mean matter of fact Cody was there the day that the marshals knocked on the door and kicked us out my mom's house yeah so he got firsthand a lot of good stuff yeah he did what the cameras couldn't catch right I believe that had I had cameras on me day that I got home the footage would be worth millions of dollars exactly we weren't fortunate enough to do that so we got lucky to call him wrote a lot of it in the book right yes do you think that your love for just cuz come from where you came from because I be researching you know what I mean I do some research I was like okay so you say it in the beginning you couldn't read right but now you pretty much putting out books you know what I'm saying that's a that's a long stretch so and I still don't know how to do it too I want to look out and I'd be like man my cousin dude he put he self published this when he told me like what is that you know he came on himself he's like oh yeah I put he did a book you know so in my mind I'm like I'd love to do a book but do you think that love and drive comes from being that at some point you couldn't read but you start really I'm just because money is money is in there but I don't get paid what I should be in pain yeah yeah I'm working on the value yeah I just like business making money I like willing to deal it you know one of my friends when they were talking on the phone they were talking about all the business that you that I'm into man you just the week so as long as I'm weaving in the deal and I'm good I'm about to tell me to ask you a question one of my guys they're asking if he really lost where was he born you know I was I say I say well and he said that you was from where we from right down in East Texas I say really I'm from East Texas I say I'm past time I'm Louisiana but I'm right there in Jefferson only the woods down in there when you go to Louisiana about six miles on this side when you do a kill war is come on yeah that's what I do I was born in an old kill war hospital really right there by over to me yeah yeah yeah yeah we stay no how long did you stay down there like before you got to go okay so you don't remember not every summer did you oh yeah yeah I should do what kind of work would stop I'm gonna take the headphones all day yeah I'm top-loading everything hey hey to all that man I'm a country boy but that's where we come from that's what you had to do down there the wood industry was tough business that's what made me get in the streets to be honest with you my daddy he owned the truck and we have about five guys you hear the stories all the time and he's from nine on up I'm all the wood and at some point I'm like man my uncle my other uncle my younger uncle was like he was in the streets he had started we know this one the first came out to so once we start doing I think once he started this thing I started chipping out of his own medicine and you don't find me a couple people and one thing led to another and I come up out the movies and but that the rest is history the rest is like your story but not on the same level but it's still a level itself you know it was just tough it creates though it creates for somebody who's willing you know I volunteered to go down in Hollywood I didn't have to yeah you know my mom would have kept me right here in LA she had no problem with me staying here and I volunteered to go down there and work from son up to son down with my uncle who would work from you to death when they finished with the meal he'd be growing and growing and the mues just go to work man I'm doing my uncle's man they were tough ooh but I have to build principle it you have to get up early you have to feed the dogs feed the hogs first and then you feed the cows and then you start loading the trucks up making sure the gas in the trucks for the cut that wood make sure the saw that's right yeah there's all the saws make sure all the oil so so it was you have responsibility yeah how over you when you stop going down there and doing that yeah you got tired of it I started playing tennis okay yeah and tennis I couldn't take off in the summers yeah yeah yeah yeah so I wanted to stay on the tennis court all were you good pretty good I heard he was I did all right you know I couldn't be back well yeah some people I could be you know yeah yeah it was a my boy when he tell me man he's like he makes sure you ask me man it I come pop Johnson but that ain't what you want you know pop down that's what he told me sick man tell it man he's a man just asking me to shoot his eyes that's what he said he say got you for 30 points on one game but he say you still want you know I'm gonna get 35 you know he didn't get 35 at night he lost by one point yeah that's my guy man we talked this morning actually I told him I'm being ready to come see you could you like man you called me man just to ask me real questions everybody will come like man I'm just calling you because I'm not getting ready to see one of your friends you said you know this cat if you don't know him I'm gonna ask him I'll call you out you know me not just messing with together by my two or three years yeah what he tell me you wouldn't go to the on Thursday you miss Rick because you had to keep up with your male that was coming yes you get so much yeah you had a breakdown day yeah I did I had three assistants they helped me answer my parents Wow my research not turn I turn myself into a to office wow he said that he said you read none of the entrepreneurs books of black heads and his book stuff on you know you didn't mess around with your reading no once I learned how to read well you know the first thing you have to do is learn out that first thing I do is learn that there was value yeah yeah first I place no value and you know when when what I found out that we as humans what we do when they have no value we don't want it yeah yeah what I wanted for it ain't worth nothing if it ain't work none of the nobody doing trash yeah yeah a lot of people still think that way a lot people always feel like some people reading can't make you know money you need to get out here in the woods or you need to get out here and put you know some muscle behind to make money but that's true if you don't know anything but what I found out about about reading in books is that anything that has ever been done have been recorded they wrote about it wow so so being from from East Texas going back down there visiting and coming back out here Rick man we're gonna get into the fact of how because I looked at that documentary that was great man which one the one what we looked at yesterday I don't remember the name of it I thought you just had one but you got a lot of them don't you yeah I got about five six I was looking at Vlad and then I said let me go look at the documentary I don't have enough with what Vlad and him talking about I'm gonna go see what he said about himself he had to have some input on that you know yeah yeah yeah and I was like man you know dang man so it was a definitely just a rabbit in the system that's what it was you know it was on YouTube that's why no it was that that's probably my biggest documentary so for okay and I produced I produced about 70% of that 75% of that documentary yeah I dreamed it up in jail but my partners wind up taking it from me the courts gave it to him oh wow wow yeah we had it they said we had a secret meeting where I say hey boy the contract that we signed and I'm gonna just get you all the rights yeah yeah it's something else when you're dealing with you know when you're dealing with with this system yeah learning what you learned from that lesson if you had to go back and do that differently what would you have done differently so that you keep the rights in it what would you have done differently I would have to do it all by myself yeah it's tough you know when you go to court and and first of all you're black and then you're a black drug dealer and then you're going over here and you're going against this white guy who's never been in any trouble you know who's done multiple documentaries he's rowing out that's why I wanted him because he was worried now you know I thought you know why not get one of the best guys you know that's my formula get in the sample my formula is that I always look for the best guys that I can get yeah and and sometimes you know you can't get the guy you want so you take the next best right well he was one of the best documentaries in the world at the time and I wanted him to be on my documentary you know so well but he wind up figuring out how to take the whole thing you know greedy greedy greedy you know cut your partner out you know that's my hate partnerships I do I can't discuss one guy do that you know all of them most of them most people most people are good people you know I found that out I never let one person turn me sour on the world you know you know that's good because if you do that now he dictates your life to you how you feel about everything so no you just a shitty dude there's a lesson I always feel that in every every downfall that someone has there's a lesson that God allows us to see well you know when I when I play though I don't I don't allow myself to have an area for a downfall okay now people might say well you didn't get no money out of it no I didn't get no money out of it but it stayed on the front page of Netflix for a year and a half and that allowed my face to be shown all over the world right it made it so when I walk through airports people want pictures and autographs and books and t-shirts and you know and it really was you know a commercial for this movie we finished shooting just about to ask you I was just about to ask you with all these documentaries but no movies yet well I wanted to do my movie on my own terms I didn't want I could have had my movie done right two weeks after I was out of prison I had deals on the table two weeks after I'm straight out of prison I signed a deal while I was in prison my last two weeks with with a who's name that company Tom beers I don't know I forgot the name of Tom beers his company when she everybody know who Tom beers is you might not know him but you know his work his work ice rock truckers belly is catch storage wars you know I mean I was supposed to be one of the stars in storage wars what else did he do he was the biggest he was the biggest reality gone TV okay when I got out so we signed a deal soon as I got out to for him to do a reality show and for me to be in a reality show so I had I had opportunities to be when I got out but I like to have some control over my situations you know I don't want to I don't want to be a hired hand you know like I see so many of these black entertainers and they just hired hands you know like we give you whatever thousand bucks hundred thousand bucks and they want to own everything right including your name and you have nothing to say about it exactly you can't talk when we don't want you to talk you can't go nowhere you can't help your mom if you want to help your mom and you can't do it so you know I just didn't want to be put in that position and while I was in prison I just studied everything you know I did 20 years and like three or four months you know so I read 300 and some books you know what I was there I read the LA Times every day the Wall Street Journal so my mind had expanded and and I was already entrepreneur you know so so for me to to to turn over everything you know for a small amount of money it didn't make sense to me so when exactly are you having the movie come out well we probably gonna start shooting I think they gave me a rough date yesterday said January we start shooting that's just shooting shooting oh yeah it takes almost a year sometimes yeah we figuring for five hours it's gonna be six months shooting and then another year editing and where you plan to put it out you know nowadays people are not really doing like the movie theaters as much anymore because of pandemic people are going to maybe Amazon Amazon Netflix movies first I just want to just want to break the box office you know I want to you know I want to have the biggest movie ever in theaters and I'm gonna go for it okay I think my movie can do over billion dollars so well and like I said I always I know I always tell my wife about the mind how to mind if it thinks you know you don't think a hundred dollars a lot of people think a hundred dollars you know if I get a hundred I'm gonna put it on I'm gonna put some teflon rope on it I'm gonna get me one of the thank a billion dollars cast it out right because I know you got a fish with something yeah and then my man said he said when you go fishing for fish you use worms if you fishing for chickens and turkeys you use corn if you fishing for men and women you use dollar bills that's the exact truth man so you know when I get you know I get little money I just put it on the hook and throw it back out so are you are you still do you deal with boxing I was here yeah I got the coldest maybe maybe I was hearing this kid that I'm working with now could be the coldest dude they ever put on boxing gloves well I heard Jay Prince kind of said allude to the same thing on one of his guys so this is how the boxing game this is what we say who is who did Jay say I'm trying to figure with some young dudes came in he was interviewing on on they just did this podcast him and Willie D Willie D and Scarface and he mentioned some guy and he was actually in that window I don't remember his name but he was the coldest helper but I think that's what when you got boxers you ain't gonna say you ain't good cuz you picked him yeah yeah what you hope you I mean with everything you do you hoping you get the best guys what make you think this guy is the best and what's his name kid Austin kid Austin okay he's only 18 years old yeah yeah this guy was young too yeah he ain't no 18 years old I think he was young y'all might have the same dude yeah I think I know who you talking about now they was in there was probably one of the reasons it was three brothers the animation how you know I tried to sign him okay yeah I tried to sign him do you think there any competition to your gas they can't be my guy why first my guy he's too quick nobody can hit him and he went when they brought him to me they say he's a mixture between Floyd Mayweather and sugar rate Leonard no I didn't know what that meant until I went to the boxing match you know and he stands right there with him and and you know you duck him and pop him in the head very stylish is he fancy boxer oh my goodness the kid is is right now he's auditioning for two movies wow blockbuster movies wow that's good to blockbuster movies he's only 18 years old so it and my goal anyway from the beginning of this was not to have somebody that couldn't fight that's you know fighting is just brutal yeah yeah that's some gorilla shit yeah yeah yeah it's cool that's that should only be the platform you know where you launch yourself this kid is not only brutal but he's also intelligent he's a good looking kid the young girl is gonna like him phenomenal worker you know works all the time acts you know wraps yeah what is what you clay what sizes 130 he can fight anywhere from 130 to one maybe 140 right now okay so I think it's a guy that the one that Floyd been working with he got that little light skin yeah tank yeah I want to fight first my guys is his record is not strong enough yet okay he got a bill it's way up he got a bill this record up a little more and once he topped them all in notoriety and and and and brilliance then they'll want to fight him but right now you know don't make no sense for in the fighting the money not there you know tank is getting they say five million dollars a fight so you know he wants to fight somebody that is worth it's worth you know they gotta bring box and to me it's just a money thing you have to billionaire idea so people want to watch the fight absolutely because how people get paid promoters want people that's gonna sell tickets and bring eyeballs to the TV exactly so my guy got both of those coming I noticed that everything that you've done so far and you've been talking about you're very very competitive well you know that's how I read over the books while I was in prison yeah yeah I was sitting in prison and I was looking out at the world and when I compete I don't like some people say oh man you know when I first started talking about boxing they was like oh well Jay-Z tried it in 50 cent try you know try don't compare me don't you know I'm chasing Bill Gates I won't I want a Jeff Bezos there are deals don't do yeah yeah I'm like a prize fighter I want the best in the world I don't want I don't know and that's how I started to read books yeah you know I was sitting in prison and I was like wow how can you get an edge on these guys yeah and then I was reading this librarians book right I was I was I was working on I was working on publishing my book total total luck but you know what I've learned is they say that when you work hard you get lucky mm-hmm so one day I'm reading a book on how to publish a book because I'm gonna publish my book I'm writing my book so I don't know how to publish it you know what printing companies to go to and this librarian had a book that she had dead and she was saying basically in a book that she worked in library for 25 30 years and what she discovered that the library was one of the most valuable places on the planet wow and I was like what is this lady tell me and then I'm the kind of guy like you know some people you can tell him some of these are that nigga lying you know nothing to say but me I'm gonna test it I'm gonna prove that you a liar you know I ain't gonna just say you no lie I'm gonna prove that you a liar I'm gonna go out and test your method so what I did is I started testing her method I started saying oh I want to do this in in the in the joint in the jail for a while they had like a thing where we could get books from the public library okay out the paper I want this book and send it in and they will send you the book so I just start saying give me some books on real estate give me some books on selling cars give me the books on how to borrow money give me the books on how to build credit and so I'm just crowning all these books oh they got books on the mind positive thinking you know so I'm cramming all this stuff in so now I'm gaining all of this new information that I had never knew before you know like I never knew that there's a thing that's called if you can see it in your mind your body can achieve it you know like and as well there's like a lot of people the thing that they don't want is what they bring to themselves you know only thing on a minus I don't want to be broke I don't want to be broke but if you feel like that then that's what you're gonna be I don't want to be like my daddy and turn around and be just like your daddy instead of me what I did I learned to say oh I want to be filthy rich I want to be so rich that I can take care the whole world if I want to thinking that's what it's called that's the book yeah yeah you brought it you brought it right to my mind yeah Tia T. Harvecker to secret minds of a millionaire that's a good one I read that to me I like it yeah I think those books do something for you it helps you to stretch you know where you might not think of something it's like sparring it teaches you thing that you you know you might never challenge but to me what it taught me is the fact that it's you built look on your foundation look at where it came from because the reason why you think a certain way usually because of something that your parents said or even something that they did and you didn't realize that you picked up a certain traits it came so you have to restructure your foundation which is changing how you think perceive things and then that's how you can move on but if you can't see that there's something wrong with how you're thinking because people don't know and that's the problem right now we have in with our people they don't even know that they fucked up that's it's bad when you fucked up and you don't know you know wow you said you said something else I was gonna comment on too what did you say you said oh the way that things are and we are accumulation of everything that we saw heard and been around we pick all that stuff up and that becomes our character exactly so if you've been around shit all your life you know your character is shit and you have to literally take yourself like what I do right now is is you saying you saying the old guy that 28 year old Rick when he was sitting in prison started them all he started to build this old motherfucker you know you're gonna get to be 60 but you ain't gonna be the same dumb yeah yeah yeah if you was when you was 24 yeah see cuz you had enough money to never need money again yeah yeah but you was dumb you was dumb but you were smart but you was dumb use I mean everybody do some smart stuff you can take the dumbest person in the world every now and then do something smart yeah you know something that that's okay one of my favorite books as a man thinks that nobody nobody is totally perfect wow that's true nobody has not did something wrong in a life nobody living exactly so when you you can't really judge people because you don't know how much wrong they did and you don't know how much good they did only they know that's right so we have to put ourselves in a position now with me knowing this is that I have to try to do more good now than I ever did before because I know that I've done a lot of bad and I try not to do anything bad I try not to do anything wrong you know I try not to make no mistake at the end of the day I always say that I said to myself and to my husband all the time you can't control what nobody else think or do you can only control yourself because at the end of the day you have to answer to God and you by yourself after answer to him you know what I mean yeah I don't care what other people think right right that's your that's your issue you think what you want to think when I look when I looked at you know me because y'all but when I looked at your your demeanor in the way that you handle business and what even in the street side it's just I see good management the way you deal with people I think you're I think you that's your thing I really want to look at I make people better yeah yeah I make them better than they are when I come here you know what I tell I tell people now that and I'm the greatest helper in the world you need a sister you need to help or somebody help you get to the next level I'm that one you know that's servant to yeah yeah and I don't mind helping people I get a kick out of it you know I almost I almost feel kind of kind of selfish for doing it you know it's not yeah you helping people because it makes you it gives you this feeling that they don't even know how I feel as it is have you ever helped somebody and they thought they was getting over on you I don't know I don't care cuz I can't yeah they can't because my my conviction for what I did was greater than yours okay you know it gave me more pleasure to help you then you could ever benefit from from from from me so I get so much joy out of helping people how to see them grow you know I like to see people just sprout up and become you know that for them getting over on me I was nothing you did you took that that was that was you know and and they do it all the time you know and I ask people matter I had a conversation with it with a young man today you know and I say man I thought your character was different you know 21 year old dude I knew all this I seen that he was on your line no no I didn't see the guy on your live and he was from Louisiana too I think you saw the one other night yeah yeah yeah I do these all the time I like it cuz you give it back one of my friends just got out of prison 22 years I taught him how to read wow I'm gonna put him on my live man we had a conversation last night we talked about two hours you only been out two days and this guy loved me wow I'm talking about when he's about six five when he's around you can't get out of line with me or if you do you better hope that I'm paying attention because if I ain't he might be gonna hit you in the head with something you know that's the kind of this yeah it's the kind of love he has for me you know something like when you take people under your wing and you're showing things God give you the ability to show somebody something cuz I've been there you know I've shown a guy to read when I was locked up not on the level of you but I've done that or dealt with people who couldn't deal with issues when they family members passed away when we was in cars these things are happening I'm having a prayer circle and everything else they laugh and say you weren't doing that when you was in the world you know but I was just trying to pray with people and tell them that God is good and I had changed cuz I like you you read you read books of entrepreneurship I read the Bible like consistently the whole time for three years straight I would read it in other books of course but it synodized around spirituality and and that basically gave me grounding because I didn't think I was like it's this can't be real my mom passed away six months before I got in this situation she give you how to Jesus Jesus Jesus but I'm like she didn't even know how to read like that so I felt like it was a white man's God and all that other stuff so yeah man you know it make you feel a certain way when you come in that environment and you help others man yeah no doubt you know but I was able to help people man yeah I mean we supposed to yeah we supposed so when you really people I know you know you were worse than me I had about Kenny let my friends had life sentences correct and not they didn't go to jail in my case they got so big that they started their own cruise yeah you know where they was the guy so exactly and I said that if we can do that then we can do what we're doing now and that's what I always would wonder because I've told so many people I've met so many people who were in the streets even from back home in Jamaica and I would always say okay if you can run a successful organization dealing with all of these people making millions of money you know and yes it's illegal why not turn that illegal business into something because you have the mindset for it you're an entrepreneur you're coming you are delegating you are investing you are doing everything you have to know how to do everything in a way you're right but you could still turn it you can that transferable right so but legal business is different okay so you got to do something different that you never did before you know there's a saying they said it's three doors one door don't nobody know what's going on on the other side on that door right the other door or some line on the other side that door and this one is a bear which one you're gonna take and they say most people pick between the two the line in the bag the other door is the door to freedom Wow but it's different so they never take the different door they are scared to go to the unknown what is it gonna be like what is everybody gonna say so with me I don't care what they say but really how many people didn't came out and was like your friends that you would just explain to us and decided to go back down that route that you felt like was gonna change cuz I have had that I don't know I had a few but I mean that's still what they do what you do yeah you know if you if you can handle it because it's right but I'm not going to if I see somebody on top of the building give me to commit suicide I ain't gonna walk up try to catch you no no no no I will say hey man you know if you jump you gonna you gonna break everything in your body and you gonna probably die but I'm not gonna put myself in harm's way because you decided that you want to do whatever it is you want to do in life go and do it don't don't include me let me ask you this another one I'm gonna let you go because I know you got some stuff but I'm okay you come home and you change and you doing your thing and but but you change I ain't really I ain't really change you're not selling drugs anymore that's the only thing I took out of my game okay but then there's other guys for me that you know there's just recently that'll come to you they want to bring up them old stories and talk about them old things are those guys still do you get that conversation you know every now and then somebody asked me about you know the back the old days yeah you know what is it like this what is a snitch yes yeah I'm trying to take over the world no because I wanted to know cuz just like you said the only thing you took out of the old you is the drug game yeah but in everything that you knew back then of how to do things and what you were doing how much of that you using today's society all of it all of the part I don't do I just don't sell cocaine no more that's it we books you know when I first started my book they said man you can't sell books like you sold yes you can like you so cocaine cuz I be in front of supermarket oh really 11 12 o'clock at night I'm sitting in front of supermarket amen it's my book it's just came out you ought to read this book great book and some people buy it to me I feel like it's a it's a drive it's a drive when it when you go out here and hustle whatever that you love I want to say hustle if you're a passion for cuz nobody's gonna go out here and do it like you will because it's yours they should watch it they do it for you some people will because you paint them but they're not gonna do it like you could do it right because even running our business we have a boutique and we've had multiple had up to seven and one thing I used to hate about it is the fact that whenever I would hire people and teach them exactly to do what I do and leave them in the different locations when customers came in they're looking for me no matter what they're looking for me no matter how much I train them to be me so to say right they're coming wherever I am you know what I mean and I'm like you can't be well people don't have a confidence that you have sometimes people are afraid people afraid to fail you know you know you know book was that I was reading it was talking about the the power of fear the power of love the power of unknown and these are powerful fears right you know these things that really affect people's lives like I don't want people to know that I tried to not it make it you know it makes you make the wrong decision sometimes because you're scared to make absolutely and then your family tell you boy you can't do that right everybody yeah you can't do that how you gonna do that I wasn't able to do it so so you know you you have to build it up in yourself to where you're confident in yourself that no matter what everybody else is saying that I'm gonna do what I feel and I should be doing because I really was a drug dealer not because I wanted to be a drug if somebody would have told me a couple weeks before I started selling cocaine I was gonna be a cocaine dealer I would have laughed so I would have been on the floor rolling over that like you're the dumbest man in the whole world it's just like if somebody would have told me when I was in jail I was gonna be a weed dealer you know oh you gonna get out you gonna be selling weed cuz I didn't even know we was legal in California really you didn't I'm in jail in Texas I'm in Texas I can't Texas that's what that's so I don't know what's going on I'm not getting LA newspapers I'm getting you know you know this is the stuff and see you only know what you're fed so how long was you in Texas I did five years in Texas so you ain't you when you go like to Houston now you've never went back down the tile or nothing like that ever go back to you do I got family and Tyler I know I you was young when you left I thought they might have moved away but they still there oh no they ain't gonna have my grandfather had 24 kids so I got I got family Houston Dallas you have a huge family Tyler four words and you keep in contact with all of them no I don't know you can't do that but when you were in Texas call me they can call me I asked my mom I got 14,000 numbers in my phone wow you like Mike Jones I don't really call people you know if I call you a sorority only call a very very very few people that I pick up the phone and call without them initiating the call okay because I don't want to talk to people if I say that people won't think something if we're not talking about something right I don't want to talk to you I got you you know I don't know about the weather you don't you don't want to shoot the breeze I ain't got time to shoot the breeze you know I shot the breeze for 20 years and even in there though I don't really like shooting breeze you know you're too busy reading trying to gain knowledge oh he plays sports too according to pop Johnson so he wants them up on that right there basketball yeah but you didn't play tennis they didn't have tennis in there yeah we play tennis what and I'm the one guy I got the tennis course taken out so I teaching all them black boys how to hit a tennis ball and they didn't like that they took them tennis course out why about a year I thought was there I had taught so many dudes I would play tennis it's funny how when you when you go into place like he like that like we go into leadership shows up and it's acknowledged they don't even have to tell nobody no it just happens yeah yeah well you know a leader is a leader yeah you can't natural leader yeah because of what you were doing you had to you were the leader but you see leadership before that when you was young my mom said I always with the head leader when I was we was kids see she was my brother she would meet him he did it but I'm gonna get to know you how many siblings did you have by and you you fell where in the five second second second to the top a second to the top but I'm the I'm the top okay I take him over the brother he do what I say dude all your brothers up here no no I got a brother in Kansas City okay family is important right but when you don't do the most so you have a family right now did you gain this family after you got out me can't married and kids I had I had many kids and I had one I went to prison five five or six I don't have one when you got out to to two boys no boy and a girl yeah and you got married after you got out I don't believe in traditional marriage yeah I like that we got a commitment okay what I believe more so it's more important in the marriage is a partnership okay because a true friend no matter what happens is gonna still be your friend right you know I'm no people who who friends actually then he shot him with guns and they stayed friends you know almost kill him in a car wreck they still was friends so I believe that a friendship is more important than you know a piece of paper that the judge give you say y'all do I seen him do that and be broke up in two months but a real friendship and a real partnership is gonna endure when everything else is gone you know like even my friends that that that that that that has done something wrong to me and we don't even talk no more but if you really need me you're coming exactly and I believe the same thing that all of my friend none of my friends that that I actually associated with just about all of them is gonna come if I need them because if she was there during your whole incarceration and stuff like that nobody nobody she's she's a real real strong woman they there for six months you lucky because I was out of there because I have relatives who boyfriends went to prison and what I mean they go down there Jamaicans I've been in Jamaica time with Jamaicans to this it's come a little bit of a different mentality you know coming from Jamaica because even though the American system is still over there is really in Florence in Jamaica but you you guys still have a little bit of that Caribbean you know that African mentality you know like the people be scared of Jamaica man no Jamaicans they got a rap yeah y'all got a rep so so that rep is not just rep but it's kind of the way you guys were raised a little bit different exactly you know you're exactly right yeah so when you let me ask you these American women they don't play as soon as I campaign no more rent and car nose and phone bill they was gone and we gonna be like what we gonna do come on let's go do something let's go figure it out gonna hit some licks when I was there I had man I couldn't get nobody to go to to the trial when we were suing for Anita Baker wow I couldn't get nobody to continue to go to the trial just keep me updated on what was going on they they settled they settled the case I don't even know how much my man got but Jamaican it's a lot of things that are different even like I knew people in Jamaica which I assume that they were in the drug game right because in Jamaica they're not gonna tell you nobody's gonna say okay this is what I do you just see a person who is driving big cars never go to work all of that well that's kind of us that's kind of a telling to I know but they'll know but when I came here to the States I would meet people and they'll outright tell you that's what they do and I'm like that's some new guys that's some new internet guys who be all on that show in the door hey look I got cocaine I got pills I got drink and I thought that was so weird I'm like how are you not busted I'm like you can't just go around just telling your whole business that's I thought it was just a thing that Americans do because all Americans look I hear that I didn't want nobody know I was a dope dealer that's why I didn't drive the big cars I didn't dress up he different he was kind of like my uncle but me I was different I pull out every down my head trying to show you what I was doing because I didn't ever have nothing yeah so it's just a different different way people do like me to drive a big car and put on all the jewelry and stuff that was like I'm a dope dealer look yeah yeah that's like sitting in the red play that's what yeah during that time I thought about I was like was that the same time when Frank Lucas that was the hills was before yours because it was harrowing yeah it was it was harrowing in the end because yours came in yeah I'm a crack I'm a crack you went to Cincinnati correct yeah and so leave leaving LA going to what was the difference did you just continue on as you was doing in LA you know Cincinnati was a little slower okay people was a little more country more friendly less violent I love Cincinnati I mean to me Cincinnati was like the city and the country mixed wow like you got but the best of both worlds the people was like really really friendly the women was gullible wow you know I like Cincinnati I made a lot of money and I made more money you say country's the trees I don't know like he said you know houses is in the middle of trees and I like that almost like Atlanta to Atlanta yeah kind of like Atlanta I like and Birmingham I like Birmingham it's like that too I like them trees I'm a tree dude man I don't know what that is I think is these Texas it was just too small you know I grew it too fast my name everybody know you even though I didn't go nowhere and I was using fake names I was down in a fake name I have fake ID you know fake drivers license and everything because I don't know nobody know me yeah I don't want to be known yeah it's supposed to be and they figured it out though figured it out figured out who I was did you have it I remember my girlfriend for Cincinnati she called me because she don't know my name she don't know my real name so she called me she said boy don't worry they got the wrong name I say I said what name they got she say Rick Ross it's crazy but it's real and this is my girlfriend for you know they got the wrong guy you know that's how I did it but you know when you when you're talking about people who have unlimited resources yeah I can remember sitting in San Diego in the high-rise looking out this little window and out my window was the aircraft carriers wow and during the time that they was doing that huddam Hussein I'm watching these ships go in and out you know you know those are those aircraft carriers they got a whole they got a whole army around the ship you know like they might have like ten fighters ships helicopters and all kind of stuff to protect that you know that that ship is worth a lot of money so they put a lot of stuff around it to protect it so that nobody can get to to that ship and I was sitting there watching that stuff come in I was like wow you fighting all that and some you know because when I went to when I go to court it says United States versus Ricky Ross and after I saw what they was doing who Sam Hussein I said man they will use all that to bring you the justice to their justice so you keep saying your name and I keep thinking about Rick Ross and how he how that all that happened and you was real strong on that when you first came home because I'm telling you I was really in tune with you I was in you know places you was at and I know you was fighting for that whatever became of that they should have filed to no no five days before I got out of prison I think that's what the judge said she she she she let them win on statute of limitations but you know it was it's tough on the judge you know you got a white judge and I'm suing white companies good white companies yeah we ain't did no crime in a long time yeah nobody don't know what crimes they committed how did that affect you when did you did you just I'm on to the next thing I was hurt today that she she did it you know because I was totally thought that that that we were gonna win yeah you know I was I was totally under depression no way we're gonna lose this one so I was a little little hurt little disappointed probably was more disappointed though when they gave the documentary away when they told me that that he believed that the guy when the guy told him that I voted the contract he believed that that I really did avoid the contract and he didn't have no proof who well he had the guy who Mark Levin who directed the documentary they had his proof he was proof you know he's good white guy you know he never been in jail before he's right against yours and then it was an African guy named Mike Montgomery who I brought on to the peace you know I wasn't gonna let Mark do it Mark didn't want Mike at first I'm like no Mike ain't doing you ain't gonna do it I'll get somebody else to do my documentary Mike is my man Mike been writing me and taking my calls he working on this documentary so when he came in Mark liked the way he worked so then when they did the Obama theory he let Mike shoot Obama theory and paid him and that's what he bought Mike with Mike for what what he did that so now Mike is like oh Mark paying me Rick ain't paying me nothing so but he didn't have enough sense to say man if one bit for Rick I wouldn't even been on his piece and I wouldn't have got the Obama theory you know because it really in technique technically the way I do business if I would have got the Obama theory I would kick him a little something you know yeah man he a $5 he a $10 so you go get your one of more vegan burgers yeah thinking of that do you do you are you a vegan I'm vegan I say I had to bring that up cuz 31 years wow so you did it before it was popular absolutely that that's the difference change I'm a lot of reason I don't want to see people I mean I don't want to see stuff die oh wow yeah I didn't want to see stuff I didn't want to be a part of of this in slaughterish mentality that that America is putting down you know we fishing all the fish out to sea you know we got cows that are polluting the ozone and you know it's do you feel a lot healthier I don't know 30 years how easy how easy was it for you to become a vegan back 30 some years ago nowadays they make it so much easier with in the beginning it was tough you know just you just breaking that that that that that philosophy that you need me to live so I believe I needed me to live really yeah I don't believe that but it's still hard to stop because I know you have other things that you can get your protein not now it's so many things that they they they substitute with me but back then it was tough especially in jail you know my diet was mostly oatmeal peanut butter beans and rice that was it yeah and salads and you know got tired of it well you know we see I read another book to the book said do you live to eat I do eat to live I eat to live and I question myself and I was like wow I've been living to eat but now I want to eat to live which I thought was more important I think it helps your help to I thought about that before because when you really to think about I can't remember how much do you need like you can actually go for days without eating and even we see people in Africa who are starving but they only eat like this little bit for per day and they're okay but then for us who have every all this food readily available and we can't go some some hours without eating because we're starving and we use that word lightly to say that we're starving but we're really not the fattest people in the world and the world is all the fattest people in the world we obese you know that's why this virus is is really kicking our ass because we so unhealthy we do unhealthy things we think unhealthy we eat unhealthy we act unhealthy and a lot of stuff like this virus to get in I gotta ask you know how they say street smart and book smart people always say well people who are book smart they always you know people can fool them easily because they don't know anything about they don't have a common sense for the streets compared to something okay well you were street smart before you were book smart so for you if it was reversed where you actually had gotten your book smart first how do you feel that your outcome would have been well I've been entrepreneur all my life you know when I used to choose to go and work in the hate field with my uncles you know that was entrepreneurism you know so uh that was already entrepreneurism yeah so but do you think you would have invested differently you would have absolutely no if I would have known if I would have known about credit you know now if I would have known about credit just just something simple to this credit you know because my mom always said boy don't get none on credit had I known about credit don't tell them where I could have been you know uh like one of my books it talks about my mistake was my biggest mistake was I went to a drug dealer and asked him how to make money see what I learned is who I should have been one to is a millionaire or bank the banker because he handles money that's what he do he sells money and I should learn how to sell money yeah yeah that's true I was gonna ask you about the vaccine um did you take it no um what's your view on it well I have a friend his name is uh Dr. Leslie Ray Matthews out of out of Atlanta Georgia he was the head trauma doctor at um Grady Memorial in Atlanta for I don't know how many years uh probably one of the best surgeons in the world it should be in the White House right now he told me that all I needed was vitamin D three wow and he showed me how to use the vitamin D three to keep myself healthy and from that information that he gave me I've got about 15 people at the hospital really well you say how to use vitamin D three isn't it just a pill that you just take yeah because you say how to use them like is there a special way to use it yeah if you just take if you just say if you go there if you go to Walmart and you get the vitamin D three with 200 milligrams you didn't get much vitamin D three okay if you go there and you get the pill with 10 000 milligrams you got a whole lot more milligrams so what he taught me to do is if you catch the virus you high dose okay you take 20 000 30 000 just on a regular basis 5 000 10 000 every every day just about wow but didn't you tell me the other day that actually a doctor passed away from he didn't take his vitamin D three hell I'll tell you what's going on with that the first thing I do when I find out one of my relatives in the hospital the first thing I tell them check your vitamin D level and I guarantee you depleted my niece was in in the hospital in in Austin Texas my brother called me she'd been in there two weeks and I called I say hey babe how you feeling she's I don't feel good I say listen tomorrow morning when your doctor comes this is late at night when they call me probably like 11 o'clock our time so real late her time in Texas I said listen when the doctor come in in the morning tell him to check your vitamin D level so she did call her back she said hey uh my vitamin D is depleted I say tell him to give you a high dose of vitamin D immediately two days later she was out the hospital she said I'm on my way home I got this uh this breathing tube with me though but I'm on my way home wow so she was off the breathing tube no she had to breathe into she took that home with her but she no longer needed to be in the hospital correct I just had a friend who just had the the Delta version two weeks a week ago and uh when he called me he had been sick two weeks and a half I think he was telling me that his wife wasn't moving I said okay look what you do can you go to the store he said yeah I can make it to the store I said if you can't I come over and bring it to you he said no I can make it to the store you know all the all the young guys around you they all call us on yeah they call me I don't like it I don't like being a well you know Unk is a special that's a special word hell that's a special word when they say Unk we're going to that let's just talk about the vitamin D right that's all they said OG a school so so when he went to the store he got the vitamin D and he took it I said he said my wife man she she ain't responding I say sticking in her mouth make her take him he did and the next day he was like uncle I'm moving around now I said okay he said I ain't eating three days I said listen go in there and wolf some food down don't try to taste it because you know you then I lost a taste in this meal someone you lose that you don't really want to eat no so uh he whipped the food down it took him about four days took it that Delta version was a little usey when it's just when it was just a regular coronavirus two days they will yeah but this one here took took like four days but uh he recovered and then a couple days later he told me my wife moving around she had to be it and uh both of them told the whole family told and his two daughters had it as well they they all totally recovered how do you feel like you like like we take zinc and all kind of stuff seem to I take zinc okay so I just say vitamin D but you're gonna make me go back home and look and see I'm gone I gotta go look in the and see how much how many milligrams I'm taking don't don't don't listen to me what you do is me go look up Dr. Leslie Ray Matthews and see who he is and and then get your information directly from here right I know that's right man same man so what would you say to the young of you man if you could go back before you even was talking to the guided so don't ask in his opinion how would you what would you say to yourself to change your narrative or to to to get yourself prepared for where you're headed we know usually I don't go back I know in life you know whatever it is it is but what I do is those steps that I missed I start to do them right now hey man so so what I would do is exactly what I'm doing right now that myself know you can run with doctors you can hang out with doctors you know during the pandemic I was hanging out with two of the coldest black doctors in the world on the over the telephone though yeah because I'm trying to get him to the white house yeah I'm trying to get everybody to know like look this dude got the answers you know wow he wanted dudes who who who kill SARS and in the first coronavirus wow y'all need him up there with y'all you know I call congress people and pastors and like man you need to get in touch with governor nuisance yeah can you get nuisance on the phone and and they just didn't believe it I thought I'm gonna be honest with you I don't trust will so I'm thinking they don't have no good agenda for us I'm thinking the health you know the creating sickness is something that the health department they thrive off of and that may be a negative way to look at it yeah I don't know I don't know if that's the case but I know that they're do you think some of them do it now come on now they they could but but even if even if they don't you know like I don't I don't really I know that they choosing the wrong two doors they picking from the wrong doors they not picking from that door that they don't know about you know uh they're not being innovative you know they're not being creative yeah so um it could just be out of ignorance you know they could be doing this stuff out of out of just straight ignorance you know doc told me a lot of them when they was going to school they was getting drunk so like that god said he didn't had no he didn't have no rich parents to pay his way through you know he can go and pay the teachers he said he had to study yeah but he's a lot of his classmates was getting drunk and doing all kind of other stuff having party and rages and all kind of stuff when he was studying so sometimes they just don't know you know they they they got that piece of paper but it wasn't really earned man you know you buy that paper that you buy a piece of that paper with all the certificates and everything stamped and all that yeah yeah so so do you think and I'm gonna let it go after this but you think um so when you're marketing now are you trying to get on the tv or is tv kind of you know it's not the thing like it used to be because so many people on this right here um how do you how do you market now versus before you would like to be didn't it wasn't even marketing thing but how do you market what you what you're trying to get out there well i use the internet i use a podcast or like this here okay i'm trying to do as many of these as i can you know i've done these three or four one day really yeah yeah i go to bookstores um you stay busy i stay busy i stay busy right now i go to dispensaries you know i'm 420 i did four dispensaries one day wow yes so so so i get out there market i use i use instagram twitter facebook uh i use other people's platforms you know uh out of all the avenues that you do use which one you think is the most beneficial that has reached reached a lot of people i don't know it's it's a combination of everything you know if if i didn't hit the streets you know and do what i do on the streets my instagram wouldn't be as effective facebook wouldn't be as effective as is but when you mix the the the street promotion with it with the internet internet promotion it all elevates each other so yeah and going back to your movie i just had one more question about that who would play your role uh i ain't supposed to say that kim hardy get mad when i started talking about people playing my role um because i'm just curious to know who would play you i don't know i i i like a couple people but you know it's getting close now and i know she really would get mad if i called out a name right now she'd say please when you do your interviews don't say who you want to play your role so i guess i don't know if that gives her bargaining power or or or what but she's really against it and you know when she took on the role as casting director and producer you know i told her i would let her do the thing i wouldn't be trying to to run the whole show you know the white guys when when i went to all the all the big weeks you know i'm at the first four biggest uh guys in hollywood oh wow yeah yeah i had meetings with four biggest guys if you see some on tv one of them did it wow and one of the things that they said that they thought i would do is that i would uh put all my friends in the role and you know my brother would be directing and my sister would be producing you know my nephew he would be the main actor you know they had me twisted so uh one of the things that i said about business it's not about all of that but they don't know that you know they don't they didn't really know me that's why they slipped on this movie and that's why i wanted to do a billion dollars at the box office the biggest movie ever they never came out like man we missed a good one yeah he was right there in my office i talked to him i know him i love the way you reach though because you don't think small at all is all the way or nothing that's the way i do it as well and don't let anything discourage you just because you hear a no over here you're like okay watch i'm gonna show you man so you and you and jave prince friends i'm texas guy yeah we friends okay i figured that i mentioned him in boxing a while ago i was gonna have one of the things i wanted to ask yeah how did you guys i've been doing jail on time okay 40 years maybe 40 years that's 30 years wow how did y'all meet no we met in the studio okay you you what do you do with music i'm gonna do some music too what what category of life don't you don't miss it well you know what newest ferrican told me when i met him what did he say he said anything that black people didn't get into it i got right now i got one of the sharpest technology kids 18 years old google certified um google apple like four companies chris go he did he's certified he's only 18 years old well that made me think about nipsey because nipsey said he had some kid that was smart and taking knowledge yeah i tried to get him to you get i asked you that what what about when nipsey passed away being out here in la what did that do to the city and uh yeah what did that do to how how's it different yeah uh it really really didn't uh much i mean you know men nipsey was cool but we didn't have a personal relationship yeah we weren't you know weren't like he was one of my guys and like that there so yeah i mean you know brothers in la get killed all the time all the time you know so i feel bad for all of you know i saw a guy get shot yesterday yesterday yeah we was on the tennis court at the park and the guy shot a guy right next to the park i felt the same way about that guy you know that i felt about nipsey i don't care about the celebrity status you know right i'm not impressed with that you know your name could be michael jackson or whoever to me a man is a man a brother is a brother put your hands on one leg at a time when you jump up in i want to know i want to know um do you know any of any successful drug dealers that have never been caught that can because the reason why i'm asking this i always say okay just like going back to what i was saying like if you start off in this business and yes you make a lot of money why not invest it and turn it into something legal because people always feel like this life is i'm gonna either end up dead or in prison that's what comes with the life that's what i've always heard and i'm like okay so why not switch it and make it where it's something that you can live off of the rest of your life it's hard it's hard to do that it's hard it's it's it's been something to make it anybody who it's something to make it you know i had guys that that they didn't get rich but you know they were rich in the dog game but they quit before they went to jail but they wind up you know money wind up going away because they don't really know we we haven't been really talked about money blacks haven't really been talked about money and that's that that's the thing i would love to see someone and we were talking about that the other day and we were saying he was saying or that these young kids when they're doing their thing in the streets they're not going to listen no matter what because they have that money and nobody can tell them anything they listen to some people because in my mind i'm like if someone can step up and teach some of these kids in the street yes they're making a lot of money but invest this money because there's going to come a time when you might lose it all so instead of losing it all do this educate them because knowledge is what you got that now that's what i do okay all ready man thank you so much for coming on the show man thank y'all for having me on man it's been another great segment of ballstart 101 and we out