 Let's see on the surface and plus TV Africa many thanks for joining us. We had straight to a second conversation. We'll look at the issues with the ADC and this morning we have governorship candidate of the ADC Ezekon Yadok who joins the conversation. Ezeko thank you for joining us. It's for having me. We also have Mohammed Abdulahi, he's a public affairs analyst. Thank you Abdulahi for joining us. Always my pleasure. Good morning Nigerians. Good morning. Well the national working committee of the African Democratic Congress led by chief Raaf Wosu was a suspended 17th state chairman of the party over what is described as anti-party activities. In a statement jointly signed by its national chairman Wosu and national secretary Alaji Said Abdulahi the party suspended the former national vice chairman North East Alaji Brahim Manzo from the party. The party also announced that the former presidential candidate of the party Dr. Mani Ahmad has been appointed as a new board of trustees BOT chairman. The party stated categorically that all members of illegal ketica committees have been suspended by the party. The suspension is due to like I rightly mentioned anti-party activities has stated categorically in such in terms of conduct and all chances aimed to bring the party into you know dispute attempt to destabilize the great party on the negative publicity and various activities in contravention of article 15 of the party constitution. Ezeko is here with us and I took his the governorship candidate of the AGC and Mohammed Abdulahi a public affairs analyst. But quickly I started with Ezeko and I took can you please tell us exactly what's going on with your party? Okay I think what's going on with AGC is a problems or issues or challenges of a party that is going through a city metamorphosis changing from one stage to another can be very painful. There have been people who have been used to setting systems and processes and those things. Ezeko can you hear us? Network isn't being too friendly. At worse. Mohammed Abdulahi what are your thoughts on on the AGC and its travails and you know since it began the the task of choosing a presidential candidate seems that was a genesis of problems because since that presidential primary the party's primary at the Ulusheko-Basanja presidential library in Abel Kuta all has not been the same with the AGC Kingsi Mogalu and a number of persons including likes of Savage and Ko and Nisbloc left the party in a cloud of dust you know controversy over whether dollars were shared or not shared the party's primary in Abel Kuta and it's been Fuji house of commotion since the party has been out of the news and recently made the news when suspended the presidential candidate so Abdullah what are your thoughts on this party was meant to be I think the AGC was seen as one of the possible leading third force parties yes Abdullah are you there? Yes we'll come back to you in a second sir sorry about that but so Mohammed Abdulahi what do you say about this the AGC was seen to be one of the the rising third force parties possibly the vehicle to be doing what Labour Party is doing today Mohammed Abdulahi? Yes I was wondering why Mr Ezekiel was talking about metamorphosis earlier because if my memory serves me right I know AGC has been in existence in fact almost all through the faces of our nascent democracy more than 17 18 years ago in fact one of the problem that is ravaging the party at the moment is the fact that these the current chairman of the party Mr Rapunwos who has been the chairman of the party for the past 17 years that is what the presidential candidate and other chairpersons of the party in about 17 states were complaining about before they were allegedly either kicked out or suspended from the party so I don't think I will agree with Mr Ezekiel from his earlier notions that the party is going to metamorphosis I believe 17 or more years is a good time is a good number of years for a party to have metamorphosis in fact like you mentioned AGC was tipped to be like the big thought force because I remember even in 2019 the former president adopted this party after publicly leaving PDP and he formed the coalition for Nigerian movement AGC was the party the former president adopted even though he said he would not be a physical member or a member of the party but it is this same AGC that he adopted you know garnering thought for support so we don't really understand why at this critical time the party that is supposed to like you know give the top two leading parties in Nigeria PDP and APC if you allow me say that the run for its money is a meshed in such a cheaper crisis all right at this point let's bring Ezekiel and I took down because we have we don't have so much time on on us now so Ezekiel you I was asking what exactly is going on with your party and you talk about the fact that you're in a growth stage and he's responded but I'd like you to continue and also respond to some of his consent the word yes the word is metamorphosis and please tell my brother that you can you can metamorphose you can rebrand at any age even if you have been around for 80 years you can rebrand at that rebranding stage its metamorphosis and I speak not just as a member of a AGC I speak as a candidate not just as a candidate but a BOT member that I was not just that but the person who brought more and looked at the party person who brought Kachiku to the party somebody who is central to everything that is going on now so I'm speaking I'm insider there's been this issue of um oh god it's frozen again I hope I'm being heard yes in this issue of yeah gone I've gone that people don't really believe that as you are a candidate you are coming to contest and beat the people that are there so we are having a crop of people now so all these blame games are just misunderstandings from both sides and I want to tell us let us not unduly expose this to the public because sooner or later now the the management is feeling that or the the the the the the the management of the party is feeling that our presidential candidate is too cold they're not seeing anything the presidential candidate on the other hand is being told that the party never follows people to the end so each person is like trying to say like show me that you're not going to sell me out this one show me that you're not the seller of yourself so the each person is going back and holding the oppositions if you're not serious we can't work with you and the other one is saying you know if you are going to sell me out I'm going to checkmate you so each of them in the coming weeks the presidential candidate is going to show that he's serious about contesting and then the management are going to see that okay he's serious okay let's meet halfway so things are going to settle very soon because the suspicions will give way to realities right now nobody's selling anybody in agc we are all going into the elections we're still talking about the issue of the suspension of you know this chairman yeah those suspensions are just I mean the excuse that has been given or the reason for the suspension is that they are involved in anti-party politics and he's mentioned the issue is the two sides is kind of mutual suspicion and once each side goes to work you put the party in place and then I show you are serious we're going to come back in the next are you saying that there are factions are you saying that there are factions in the party no they are not factions they are just disagreement within the house and each person is going to go back and then they will reconvene it's just an internal thing that is happening that's what I'm talking about the metamorphosis there is a rebranding process and the internally these are things that probably shouldn't have been in the public the internal you know house cleansing methods and we're going to come back stronger and I tell you ADC please replay this program in about two months maximum ADC is coming back stronger because the party will now say that they have a serious candidate who is making some serious and then before we go very quick I mean I'll come to you Mohammed Ablai but um it's looking at okay it's it's clear that you know they there are two camps in the ADC one loyal to Rafa also has been the leader of the party for all these years I don't know if he's the one who registered the party is it one who registered the party he's been he's been the founding member of the party all right fantastic so so it's all our respect yes okay so it and then we'll be Kachiku who is um leading a new force in the party like you were saying rebranding and we understand what you mean um we'll we'll um do we what's his name Rafa wants to be um be scratching his head and regretting uh that uh do we be Kachiku emerged as the the presidential candidate of the party because that has now meant that uh he's um the death or you know seeming death of uh the the leadership of Rafa also in the party no no no no no we respect that man to high heavens we respect him Mr. Wilson just wants to know that our presidential candidate is serious that's all he's been my friend for over 30 years Mr. Rafa Wilson a family friend so I respect he just does you want to to the the speculation that is going on that the candidate doesn't he doesn't mean business he just say Ezekiel let your friend show me that he means but but this this this same candidate was suspended by the party because yes um go ahead please this is um um no one is antagonizing ADC here Mr. Ezekiel my there is just my observation like I mentioned earlier and you also mentioned something now you said there is a kind of suspicion between the two parties I mean the founding member who is the chairman of the party for the past 17 years and your presidential candidate now is it what does it tell about your party sir that after you've gone into convention you've selected your president presidential candidate and now you're having doubt if that presidential candidate is actually not going to sell your party out what does he say about your party so it means you've not done your homework you've not done your background check and it is at the later stage it's like you are putting the horse before the cut which is not supposed to you know so I think like you mentioned there's an internal alliance in ADC and you are supposed to have checkmated this at the earlier stage not after you have selected a flag bearer then you are not having a doubt whether that flag bearer will work for the party or not that so that that that I think that's a challenge that the party yeah but but what happened I would like you we know the the the general view or expectation of people was that um Kingsley Mughal would emerge as the presidential candidate of this party being the most visible and uh some people believe is the most sellable and the most qualified of the candidates that is debatable this was if you look at the views generally in the public he was a popular candidate have haven't been a presidential candidate before um Dumbika Chika was we didn't see him it was sort of a wild card nobody expected him to even upstage even the other gentleman from the southeast whose name I can't uh moe yeah uh you know he he was even expected to come in second at least be the next person to get that that that slope now uh do you think that um uh the party chairman and the officials of the party who are affected by uh Dumbika Chika and his faction and the the the way they're going about their things now do you think they'll be regretting um not not working so hard to ensure someone like Mughal who emerged as the party's flag bearer it depends on what you mean by not working so hard this gentleman that you also mentioned Dumbika Chika means he's worked so hard to emerge as the presidential candidate you understand politics you can't say okay well asking this why am i seeing this is that they were very very loud um um uh uh uh rumors or accusations or allegations that money exchange hands that Kachikudu may be used on the hand tactics to emerge as the candidate at the end of the day it's what i'm talking about and of course if you read if you read his his his statement of resignation his letter of resignation for the party you can see he was disappointed in the conduct of the party's leadership for not backing him in the midst of all this bribery that was going on you know should i tell you about what happened in the legal state primaries of the party so this what i'm talking about well well i think mr ezika will be in a better position to answer that question i wish i wish i had just one minute to do that one minute or less yes i want i want to be put on record mr mohanu will not look me in the eye anywhere in the world and say that money is change hands at the primary he will not he will rather tell you that the processes leading to the primary were not very straightforward in the sense that changes were made at the last minute because the party did not have enough money to run the convention but he would tell you that the convention was free fair transparent and credible but he would say that the management leading to that and that would be understandable because all the parties had a problem a day or two to the to the convention is it that we have to go now i'm sorry but we have to go thank you so much we will continue this conversation some other time and it's always a delight you know to have you share your thoughts on some issue and at this point i mean it's your party uh you are also a candidate vying for that position their governorship position in acrobom state well that's it thank you so much as i can't yeah i took for being with us this morning and thank you like butterfly we are coming out but but you also said t-thing problems thank you so much thank you we have to go all right thank you gentlemen for your time and for your patience as well all right it's been an interesting episode of the breakfast the party is heating up and we expect to have more such conversations thanks for joining us and we can follow us on the social media platforms plus tv africa my name is kofi pretels good morning cheese and i am messa book we'll have a great morning