 So I'm curious actually what what how often do you actual projects and and how do you think it differs from lucid dreaming because I feel like they are definitely different but I'm curious about your opinions on it. Yeah so this is an interesting one I think with Astral projection it's certainly more difficult like I feel like it's way more difficult than lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming I can do comfortably several times a month if I try and do it several times a week depending on like how much I want to interrupt my sleep because if you do certain techniques like wake back to bed you interrupt your sleep and then you feel tired the next day but you get it's like more likely that you'll lose a dream with astral projection it's very for me at least it's very difficult and it's very rare I've only done it like a small handful of times and then there's been a few more times which I'm not 100% sure it was astral projection because it was kind of in that in between state but to be honest those few times were enough to make me massively interested in it like I became obsessed with learning about consciousness and reality and yeah I guess my downfall is I love information so I feel like I focus too much on learning and reading about stuff and not enough time on practicing it or at least not as much as I should but and so sorry the differences so the differences are with lucid dreaming but again the lines are quite blurred but with lucid dreaming it's theoretically all in your mind or at least mostly in your mind even that we're starting to realise now there's and there's different theories about this but we're starting to think to see that the lines are kind of blurred like things that happen in a dream can kind of influence and interact with real things outside the dream and there's all kinds of stories about shared dreaming and uh premonitions pre-cognitive dreams past life regression through lucid lucid states and all this kind of stuff so I'm amazed like how little we know and maybe you've kind of felt the same thing it's like the more you research something the more you realise how much we don't know and like how incredible it all is and there's just so many different rabbit holes you can go down 100 percent I mean the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection so crazy I mean in my experience I've lucid dreams like quite a few times but like you say astral projection I've literally had one experience of it and it was like yeah just almost the part of leaving my body out I wasn't even able to fully like travel around so to speak it was just there you know almost like I was being lifted out of my body flying through a ceiling but that in and of itself felt so different to lucid dreaming it was almost like a completely different and experience because a lot of people are like oh maybe astral projection just you having a lucid dream and you imagining astral projecting it in the lucid dreaming but I say to them like this experience of astral projection is so almost a different feeling like the vibration of you actually ascending from your bodies almost so real more than it's mind-boggling coming back to reality and being like what the hell was that how do I explain that in normal terms yeah no absolutely that the crazy thing is because I've heard I've heard many people talk about like oh it's just lucid dreaming or it's like it's just you're just sleeping or dreaming it thing is my main astral projection experience so like the one I remember the most clearly was when I was wide awake like I was literally in my bunk bed fully awake and I was quite young I was maybe like 10 12 something like that fully awake and then I looked down at the floor and the next thing I know I'm literally like flying across the top of a forest you know like have you ever seen wingsuit diving videos yeah where they kind of like saw down uh they kind of like glide down a mountain mountain range so it was literally like that and I was freaking out because I I didn't know whether I was hallucinating or whether I was like asleep but I was wide awake holding the bed literally like this and when I came out with a vision I ran downstairs and I was like what the hell just happened I was like really confused so at least for at least for that one like there's no doubt that was astral projection because I was awake you know like I wasn't even dreaming or sleeping 100 percent I mean dreams honestly just make it completely questionable reality I mean one of the biggest things that I took from dreams was when you're in a dream your mind separates yourself from the external environment within the dreams you feel separate from it but it's not until you wake up that you're like oh wait I was everyone in that dream and they were my projections and beliefs and I feel like that's you know linked to how when we die we're going to come back and be like oh in this reality everyone else was like projections and dreams like it's almost not in a um solipsistic type of way but everyone has their own individualistic reality that we can control and manipulate and dreams wake you up to that I feel like psychedelics do as well like the minute ego death like it puts you in a state of of dying and reveals that spiritual awakening to you yeah yeah absolutely so an interesting thing with that is if you heard about the the egg theory where the whole universe is an egg and we we are basically the same life force interacting with each other definitely there's a there's a great is it kirkazag there's a youtube channel on that um and his amazing video on that um I think I've got a posted a video on my tiktok actually about that but yeah I love that theory um about how we are everyone including your jesus and hitler we're both sides of it you know we are both the god and the devil in one like yeah then you get into the questions of determinism and karma and free will and these are like I feel like these are insanely complicated topics 100 and this really is no definitive answer is then which why I think it's so interesting to discuss yeah like no one knows the actual absolute truth to it all is just open for discussion yeah I love it